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 No.168642[Last 50 Posts]

(previous thread) https://wizchan.org/wiz/res/162985.html
Post tips and information for homeless or about to be homeless wizards

 No.168648

What's wrong with the old one?

 No.168650

I've heard Planet Fitness is a good way to help homelessness because it's a small monthly membership ($10) with access to showers, bathrooms, free food (they have special CHEAT DAY stuff), and open 24/7. I hope this advice helps someone out there.

 No.168683

I see homeless people walking around my town all the time ever since Corona. Everything's closed except grocery stores. They got nowhere to go and nothing to do.

 No.168686

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Will share my tips from previous thread
If you work in an office enviroment being homeless for few months or even years can save you a lot of money. I did it for few months and here are my tips

Requirements:
-Have an unlocked bathroom/water source
-No security patrolling the floors at night / No active cameras
Bonus:
-Having an office kitchen
Literally google level comforts where sleepig in offie is seen normal
-Having shovers, gym in office etc. If you have a cush job as such you probably don't need my advice


Anyways here are my advice
1-Observe before comitting, learn the cleaning schedule (usually daily on bathrooms, weekly on floors) Check whether there is any cameras, security patrolling etc. Stay in office late, maybe go back to your home at 9-10pm see whether you have any anomalies. Leave the light open while leaving and come to work early, see if light is still on
2-If you have a kitchen. Began to eat at office a lot, tell them you are regimented, prepare and eat your breakfast and lunch at work. That why no one will creep out when you suddenly bring a weeks worth of groceries to the kitchen
3-Learn to live minimally, You will realize you don't need too much stuff, but that is far more relevant in an office enviroment, You should have 1 or maybe 2 luggage worth of stuff, you can put all your belongings in dravers, cuboards and stuff luggages at ground or high at top. Be economical. You don't need 10 plates, just basic kitchenware, one cup etc would be fine
4-Absolutely never mention you are living in office, never ever ever ever. Never admit if, If you get caught (which you shouldn't) it should be an exception. You had tons of work this week so decided to crash. NEVER EVER admit to anything. NADA. This is very important.
5-Go on a stealth mode. Go to bed when you are absolutely sure no one is in office, wake up before the cleaning crew arrives. In my office the place filled up in 8 and cleaning ladies would be around in 7. So I always woke up at 6. I woke up at 5 just to be sure. My 11 to 6 sleep schedule was extremely regiemented. With cutting caffeine and drinking some herbal tea (maybe placebo) I managed get into a strict schedule with relative ease. And not waking up at 10 am at weekends didn't bothered me nor made me tired. If anything I felt better on mondays compare to my schedule on weeks/ fuck up on weekends regiment.
6-Do not use airbags, airbags are not comfortable, hard to manually pump and very loud to use a machine to pump. You might get use to it but it is not comfortable at all. Get a tri folding foam matress and buy its cover. Extremely comfortable easy to storge below your desk and could act like a comfy ottoman when you are working. Get a sheet, some pillows and a cover for matress and you are good. It took me 2 minutes to make my bed and 2-3 minutes to pack it back on morning.
7-People might not know, but they WILL suspect. Why you are always staying late? Why in the last 7 moments on the 4 times they came to office to pick up something at 7 pm you were still on your pc? Pretend ignorance, feign it, appeal to pity and how you are so pridefull to not admit it. BUT NEVER ADMIT IT
8-Cleaning ladies are the eyes and ears of the office. Be extremely careful around them. If your floor is getting cleaned on Tuesdays 6 pm, get out. Do NOT bump into the ladies again and again on a regular basis. They will be sympathetic to your plight, but don't think they wont sell you out moment your manager suspect something is fishy
9-Shower, you might not think you will smell but you WILL smell. Showering is essential so is laundry. Your luggage can act like your laundry basket, make sure to clean your clothes. Make sure to go to the gym and shower at least once per 2-3 days. You must up your cleaning habbits since now you are living in office 24/7. An important addendum to this is to VENTILATE your office and prerferably the entire floor if possible after you wake up
10-Always keep a tidy enviroment. This is extremely important. My biggest fear was to be locked out of my office floor or the office itself. If you are not careful act like you live in your home and be all over the place, and also lock yourself out then when people unlock the room for you they will see all your shit out in the open. Therefore HIDE your stuff until the last moment. Do not take out your bed when office goes empty, only take it when you are going to sleep. Always wear some kind of clothing. The line between comfy and sluggish is quite blurry and you can dress in a comfy manner while still looking acceptable. Don't pull out shit you dont need. Always assume you might be locked out. With that being said
11-NEVER LOST THE KEYS. Keys are your lifeline. Always wear them, again remember you are not in your home, you are living in an office where there are doors after doors after doors. I had to pass through 3 locked doors to go to the bathroom. So imagine that while going to piss in the middle of the night. ALWAYS have your keys with you, I had them like a necklace aronud my neck and I always checked whether I took them with me or not on every instant that I went out of my room.
12-My final advice, is to be militant. Throughout I told you to wake up regimented, shower regimented, keep your room tidy etc. Hell since you are going to gym and have to eat a bit decently/roleplay as you have a diet, it might be better to eat health and workout too.



I don't miss living in office but boy It tought me a lot. Being homeless while having a job plus a place to sleep in was awesome. You will be amazed how much of your money goes to rent and unwarranted bills, how much of your time is lost commuting.


That being said all the advice above applies to the lucky few who have an office job like mine.

 No.168717

nobody goes out of their way to help you. they'll let you sleep in -10 instead of lending the couch.

 No.168728

Don't become the guy sleeping on the street, alley, sidewalk. Once you become that it's hard to pullout, especially for one of us. The streets will eat you alive.

If your parents throw you out. Swallow your pride and try to beg your way in to a close relatives basement, attic or garage. But, your neet days will be over with. If you cant do that, find the place in your country with the cheapest housing prices and head there, some shitty trailer park you could live in while you get back on your feet. That eeeeww Grosss, sorry thats out the window, any housing is better than on the street. 4 walls, a floor and a roof, and you can piece things back together. Get government money if it is there. learn the squatting communities. Dont bother with the larp live in a van bs, it's gonna break down, you arent gonna be able to fix it, and you re gonna lose all your stuff.

 No.168793

>>168728
This is very true.
I littrally prefred to stay on a labor camp with crackheads, drunks, and failed wannabe thug chads then go back to trying to bealy survive on the streets.
Eventually earned enough money to move to a room in a trailer home, and now live on my own in a brick and mortar building.
If I play my cards right I may even find a modest house that I can own outright.

Once you are out there working and staying in some pretty shitty living situations becomes a lot more appealing.
That said, with a income I do think that camper van and RV life is possible, BUT you have to have a income to be able to do it and you have to have some skills to be able to maintain it yourself.

 No.168866

If you dont want to buy a house, just get a $100k class A or B RV and a couple of storage kiosks around the country. You can ask 30-40k off rvs in most cases. Forget dump hookups, just let that sewage drain in the middle of nowhere away from a road. Invest 3k or so in a 400-500w solar array, nice controller with lithium batteries. Get a efficient danfoss compressor fridge that runs off your batteries and you can boondock near indefinitely (within reason). In a cold climate? Dont use propane forced air much, use a electric blanket. Super efficient!

Go out hiking, visit your national parks, visit friends and friends of family. Go see all those places you've seen on the boob tube. Friggin so many free roads, parks, federal land out there anyone can use for months at a time. Fish, hunt… at least get a little .22 to plunk and shoot squirrels and groundhogs. Induction plates/grills are useful, don't forget dual wall vacuum insulated cups, bowls with lids.

 No.168871

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>>168866
If you have a spare $120k just buy a cheap house or build one. Blowing that kind of money on a RV is for well to do people who don't have to worry about being homeless when the thing breaks down.

>>168728
I think the van LARP can work out if you have an emergency fund

 No.168891

>>168871
What's going on in that image?

 No.168897

>>168891
the trenchdigger larp

 No.168903

Do anchored trailer homes suffer from same fate as vans? Saw a lot of people buying empty parcel and just renovating some trailer and not moving with it at all

 No.168909

>>168871
dude you can't shit on vandwelling. what the hell qualifies as an emergency fund for you? you casually mentioned having a spare $120k like what the fuck

 No.168917

Is it harder for black homeless people? Black wizard reporting in.

 No.168920

>>168917
>Is it harder for black homeless people Black wizard reporting in

Most things are harder when you're black. I'd be afraid of hate crimes and just getting randomly "picked up" by cops or whomever for being homeless then only to find you have a scar on your chest from a missing organ. This goes for all wizards, how are you not afraid of organ theft or some other shady shit from living on the street?

 No.168925

>>168920
>This goes for all wizards, how are you not afraid of organ theft or some other shady shit from living on the street?
The wizard is not attached to life. He is prepared for death, ready to welcome it at any moment. The wizard dies before he dies.

 No.168932

>>168917
Another black wizbro?
Hey friend, glad to have you here
Things will definitely be harder for you on the streets, no matter how you cut it

 No.169137

What the fuck are you supposed to do in the winter? How do you not freeze to death, or get severe frostbite?

 No.169138

>>169137
I'm not an expert or anything but living in a cold place, layers and shelter from wind and wet. Sort of on that subject and worth mentioning, woolen clothing. Wool is so excellent because it retains insulating properties even when wet. Wool clothing is so worth it to try and get if you are facing late fall/early winter somewhere cold outdoors.

 No.169142

>>169137
Layers of clothing, squatting, making relatively warm camp set ups, using shelters when it hits below freezing, sleeping on vents, camp fires, staying active at the coldest part of the night and sleeping in libraries or other places during the day that have heat, traveling south for the winter, etc.

There are a lot of options to keep you alive. I mainly did the layers thing while traveling south. Also had a sleeping bag that I could warm up by pulling over my head and warm the whole thing up to body temp with my breath, which kept me very far from hypothermia even on freezing nights, but the thing was super bulky and made travel a major pain. It did save my life so it was worth it but still not as ideal as other options. It was just what I had to work with so I made it work.

 No.169147

>>169137
You move to warmer climates. If you're in America or Europe, you can move south. Or brace the harsh weather like hundreds of thousands of homeless people do each year. Although this is brutal.

 No.169153

>>169142
I've got a bulky sleeping bag, but i'm thinking of trading it for a small one, becuase i almost cant fit anyhting else into my 65l backpack

Is one of those compression sleeping bags ok, or do i need to upgrade to an 85l backpack

Between my sleep bag, tent, mess kit, water bottles and micro-towel, i have almost no space left in my back for clothes, food or anything else

 No.169162

>>169153
Get rid of some of that stuff


I'd have plenty of socks and underwear. Couple shirts, hoodie, jacket, extra pair of pants might help too.

 No.169163

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Does anyone remember that Brazilian wizard who was living on the streets? He used to post a lot, including pictures. IIRC, he was homeless by choice. I think he inherited an apartment that he rented out to people. I wonder if something bad happened to him.

 No.169164

>>169163
how long ago was this?

 No.169165

>>169164
I'm not sure. 2017, maybe.

 No.169166

>>169163
This may be the wrong memory but didn't he start travelling with a succubus that turned the thread against him so he left?

 No.169167

>>169166
Interesting. My Internet got shut off for almost a year, so I didn't hear about this happening.

 No.169169

>>169163
I never liked the Brazilian flag, it's so ugly and weird looking.

 No.169170

>>169162
How can i get rid of that stuff, when it's all essential?

Do i need a 85 litre backpack or can i keep my 65 litre?

 No.169171

>>169163
Yep, i remember this
This was like the golden age for wizchan, you had japanwiz, brazilwiz, suiwiz and a bunch of others actually contributing interesting threads and discussions
The best part is when he had run=ins with the outcasts and had to hide a knife under his pillow
I really wish i kept that thread and hope someone here has saved it
I rare look into the life of a streetwiz

 No.169279

>>169171
>This was like the golden age for wizchan
2018-2019 was indeed very comfy.

 No.169320

>>168917
Only if you are in a area with no other black people around. That would make you stand out even more and make things harder.
If other black people are in the area then it doesn't really matter as far as I have seen.
Plus black churches are more willing to help you out if you don't seem like a druggie or crazy person.

 No.169364

Is being homeless and comfy at the same time possible? I’d love to just wander the earth.

 No.169367

>>169364
If you care little about, well most anything, then yeah I could see it being quite comfy. Though I don't think wandering the earth is feasible, you'd be mostly stuck in whatever country you start in.

 No.169382

>>169364
Its entirely possible, as contradictory and weird as it may be.

 No.169399

i am practicing a frugal life by bathing without soap and shaving without shaving cream and eating only rice and beans and taking a shit without using toilet paper

 No.169405

>>169364
No. You won't be comfy 95% of the time. Being homeless is about the journey or necessity/survival, not comfortableness.

 No.169604

I'm gonna become a drifter/vagrant

 No.169649

>>168642
Less is more

 No.169654

>>169649

>Terry Davis


So that's the name of that guy. I've always wondered who that guy that was in all those gifs/memes people sometimes post around here. Was sort of the same thing with Richard Stallman. Had no clue who that guy was for the longest time and, like this person, always wondered who the guy in those memes was. I still have no idea who that morbidly obese "butthurt guy" is. Seems like it's a dead meme now, but what's the origin behind that one exactly? Some crazy, lolcow fat man, or something?

 No.169660

>>169170
I'm assuming your sleeping bag is strapped to the bottom/outside of your bag. Because there's no reason for it to be inside, get a compression/trash bag and some straps/rope if you need to.
As for the tent, I'd use a tarp if I were you, it depends on your set up and climate obviously, but I've stayed under tarps in -10c. There's def more fiddling to do with a tarp then a tent, but IMO, the weight/volume savings are worth it. It's also much better for stealth camping.
For water, I'd also recommend strapping a bottle to the top of the pack.

Moving all your things is always going to be a little awkward though, finding a nice secluded spot at the outskirts of town to leave your camp at is a nice plus. That's what did, but I understand that many would not be comfortable leaving their stuff, or walking in and out of the city every day. Depends on your area too.

Anyways, good luck.

 No.169662

>>169654
>I still have no idea who that morbidly obese "butthurt guy" is

jewgle daddy howard (rip), you will find videos of him spanking homos.

 No.169673

>>169604
Sure you are wiz, sure you are

 No.169765

>>169673
That's what it's shaping out to be.
I've been a NEET for too long to ever integrate back into society, I'm white, so no welfare, and I'm too poor and dumb for college.

 No.169767

>>169765
Let me break it to you. Especially being white there is about a 2.46% chance that in a first-world nation you are going to need to fend for your life on the streets, unless you are a felon with drug-addled mental illnesses.
- Have you ever spent a night out in the cold without any shelter?
- Have you ever been in a situation where you had no-one to call and you had an emergency?
Your LARPs fall flat at even the first hurdles, so it's best to just stop with it and write a novel if you want to entertain fantasies

 No.169771

>>169767
Not him but
- yes, for several months
- yes, fortunately it wasn't as bad as I thought and healed up without any stitches
For reference, I dropped out of highschool and have several diagnosed mental illnesses, although the real problem is my autism which makes it almost impossible for me to function socially or in a work environment, to the point people think I'm retarded, and some yet unnamed problem where I lose track of reality and experience some really weird and confusing shit. I'll tell you this, there is a high chance wizzies might end up on the streets, and it is not as hard as it seems if you've done any planning. Bring a tent, bring lots of blankets, bring something to heat food in (any pan or can will do) and most importantly KNOW YOUR AREA. 90% of my survival was because I knew where to sleep without being disturbed. Also be prepared to dumpster dive.

 No.169772

>>169767
What should I do then?

 No.169775

>>169772
Stop attention whining would be a good start, then after that, stop asking random people on an image board to sort your life out for you.

 No.169787

>>169775
>asking random people on an image board
I see nothing wrong with that and thats because this is image board with random people.

 No.169805

>>169787
Taking a greentext out of context just shows your intellectual dishonesty

 No.169811


 No.169813

Don't the larpers think of what they'll gonna do in old age? Better be prepared to actually suicide

 No.169830

What about joining the army or going to jail?
I think is better than being homeless

 No.169833

terry davis was kind of an idiot. i remember seeing him put 20 dollar bills in vending machines

he would waste all his money on vending machines, fast food, and cigarettes

 No.169835

if you want to know how to be homeless, watch a terry davis video and don't do what he does

 No.169837

>>169813
I mean, are you prepared to waste away in a nursing home being scrubbed by third world immigrants who will cut whatever professional corners they can so they don't have to work hard? The end is nasty no matter what

 No.169838

>>169830
>What about joining the army
Not every nation's army will just take in anybody who asks and has no other options. A lot of people here would not make the cut to even get into basic training in some armys (including me). Might be an option for some people some places, but will also absolutely not be an option for many.

I disagree that jail is necessarily better than homelessness, unless you're totally unconcerned with environment and its inhabitants and only care about muh roofnfood. Trying to get into a looney bin would probably be better than a literal jail, still jail-like but probably safer and at least someone there is likely to give some kind of fuck about your well-being.

 No.169839

Maybe it was already mentioned but I heard this before in a guide to being a hobo, granted a very old one: if you are going to beg/ask for food or a meal, don't exaggerate how long it has been since you ate thinking it will make them want to help you more. Applied to strangers, of course, not actual soup kitchen/food banks/church rec center meal places. A stranger will be more empathetic with someone who "hasn't eaten since lunch yesterday" than someone who hasn't had more than an apple in the last four days, because they can probably relate to the former, but the latter is seen as unhealthy, dangerous territory only unhealthy, dangerous people tread.

 No.169841

>>169833
Tobacco is probably the biggest waste of money in the world.

 No.169842

>>169649
Does anyone have a complete collection of all Terry Davis video archives?

 No.169843

I'm wageslaving at the moment. What should I buy to live relatively comfortably as a hobo?

 No.169863

>>169843
Relative comfort, relative to what? Are you going to be a homebum or a vagabond? Can't really answer your question without knowing this.

>>169841
It's also ridiculously expensive in the West. Fuck the West. In Asia it's like three bucks some a pack.

 No.169897

>>169863
Not him, but What's the difference between homebum and vagabond?

 No.169904

>>169897
One stays in one spot the other travels.

 No.169905

>>169904
I'll be traveling, by foot.

 No.169948

How does a wizzie shit and wipe if he's homeless? If all the public bathrooms are closed, what do?

 No.169950

>>169948
Go in the bushes, wipe you ass with wet wipes, Easy.

 No.169955

>>169948
Why bother wiping?
Truhomelesswizzies let the shit dry down their legs, as was intended

 No.169969

>>169948
Carry a roll of toilet paper for emergency situations. It's very difficult not to find a place to shit if you're in civilization. And if you're in the forests then there's no problem.

 No.169987

>>169948
there is a magic phenomena where every morning the grass is covered in dew

so you gotta time your shits to occur every morning

then you just drag your ass across the grass like a dog. it is nature's moist towlette

 No.169988

>>169948
well I guess if you eat right you don't gotta wipe

 No.170016

Should one get a mosquito net for their head?

 No.170021

>>169987
Oh yeah i forgot about that
No need for dry shitlegs with this method 10/10

 No.170053

Winter time for the homeless and even drifters is probably the drizzling shits.

 No.170061

>>170016
Depends where you are and how much it is getting on your nerves I guess.

>>169948
There is no such thing as "all" public bathrooms being closed.
Anyway carrying wetwipes or baby wipes, or spare TP are all good ideas if you have them and it doesn't weigh you down too much. They can be used for several things, especially wetwipes which can also be used to freshen up and clean things off.

If you really must go and have no access to a proper bathroom then using a plastic bag or digging a small cat hole are quick and reasonable options if you didn't plan ahead and have to go NOW. Don't do that cali/indian shit where they just shit on the street. Not only is that nasty but most places have no tolerance for that and if the cops don't beat your ass the locals will if they catch you shitting up their neighborhood.

>>169955
>>169987
fuck off trolls.
You ain't funny.

 No.170064

>>170016
Yes, the bugs and mosquitoes get annoying quickly. Get a full body mosquito net if you can't take the heat and sweating that comes from sleeping in a bivy during summer nights.

 No.170068

>>170061
Wet wipes sound like a good idea, Thank you.

>>170064
Looks like I'm getting a mosquito net.

 No.170075

>>169905
If you have time to plan you probably have time to prevent becoming homeless.
Even wageslaving and being around normies is a lot better then being homeless without a clear path off the streets.

 No.170076

>>169905
So I'm assuming you want to travel, since you want to be a vagabond. First thing I gotta say is that like this wiz said >>170075 not having a clear path off the streets is bad. So unless you've got breeders or family willing to take you in like the prodigal son, it isn't worth it. Because getting out of homelessness is very difficult.

 No.170078

when you're homeless you shouldn't buy anything except the essentials

even soap is not necessary since water is sufficient to clean yourself. i have gone a year without using soap just to see if it was actually needed to keep myself clean. it's not. it's a fucking advertising scam.

 No.170079

>>170078
You can not get real grime, dirt, oil, and dead skin off with just water in any reasonable amount of time.
If you actually get really dirty, which is something that will happen if you are living on the street, then you will NEED soap to actually get clean sometimes.

Just water is also not good enough for any modern standard of hygiene.
I mean you can be super gross if you want but it will draw lots of negative attention.

 No.170097

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he looks like a wizard

 No.170197

>>170185
wat

 No.170203

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 No.170204

>>170185
>>170203
What incredible drivel.

 No.170211

>>170097
From what I've seen on YouTube, Japanese homeless people are generally much better behaved then their counterparts in the West. Like cleaning up after themselves, not causing fights or doing drugs, etc. Also if you were homeless in Japan, you'd probably never have to worry about people attacking or beating you up randomly like so often happens to the homeless here.

 No.170212

>>170211
Cause the cops in japan will brutalize anyone who steps remotely out of line.

 No.170213

>>170211
Being homeless in Japan actually seems comfy. They Japanese tend to keep to themselves.

 No.170236

>>170204
Can you summarise it?
My brain is not not right now

 No.170237

>>170236
It was basically “believe in yourself and the universe will just hand you food and money”

 No.170245

>>170237
Did it work for the author?

 No.170249

Something I've been thinking about - what is a good way to dress to make people think better of you? I feel like being clean shaven, groomed and wearing a suit automatically defuses any police/aggressive rando situation drastically. What are some other fashion styles that signal "put together", "not a lowlife", etc. A polo and khakis? I dunno. In normal circumstances I don't give a fuck about what I wear since I know I have a home go back to. But I feel like dressing well could be a strategic thing for homeless people.

 No.170250

>>170249
Confident but respectful body language is really all you need. This arises naturally from your mental state.

 No.170251

>>170249
You mostly just need to look good and then it doesn't really matter how you dress.

 No.170252

>>170249
You should want to look threatening so normies leave you alone.

 No.170338

>>168728

>Don't bother with van larp


Really depends here. I live out of my sedan-sized car, and I love it actually. I would never tell someone to BUY a van for vanlife, but if you have a van or car you can absolutely live very comfortably out of it if homelessness becomes a possibility. You'll need income for the occasional repairs and of course gas, but it's often a TON cheaper than an appartment, and you can follow the work around the country.

 No.170339

>>170211
>>170213
Jo. Anybody has archive source of that japwiz?

 No.170340

>>170339
There have been several japanwizzies now, haven't you been keeping up??

 No.170343

I'm in LA sleeping in parents' living room with no heat, so am looking to get a hotel suite from "project room key" in November. I often do get sick in the winter because of the cold, and then my mom catches it, so I'm sure they'll be winning to get me one, or at least a heated trailer somewhere.

 No.170349

>>170340
nope.
I'm relatively new.
have just been lurking here a year or so

 No.170389

>>170343
How cold does it get in LA anyway?
Not asking to be a dick, just curious.

 No.170391

>>170389
Not very. You won’t see it dip below 60 F most of the time.

 No.170412

>>170343
Is it true LA is land of the normies

 No.170416

>>170389
>>170391
Less harsh and not as many cold days recently, due to climate change I assume, but still cold enough to be constantly shivering inside and just freezing miserable all the time. There is zero heat retention here, so I have to sit or stand in front of a plug in heater all the time to keep somewhat warm. Burn myself often, end up getting sick from the cold anyway, and sick again from accidentally sticking my nose too close to the heater when turning around.

Only thing I like about the cold is it's easier to sleep compared to now, when I need a big ass fan on full blast right over my face.

>>170412
It is, but it is also a wizard's playground, can go do whatever you want and everyone just leaves you alone.
>Laughing at the Sunday traffic on Sunset from all the normies going to parties and spreading more corona while I go for a walk in the quiet hills with almost no one around.

 No.170440

>>170418
Obviously talking about during the lowest points of wintertime. Plug in heaters don't do shit unless you're in an enclosed room, in an open area the heat just dissipates. I put one in the bathroom and it works, but everywhere else is just open living room in front of balcony doors, zero heat retention, as cold inside as outside.

 No.170441

>>170418
It's still summer.

 No.170567

I have plans to spend a few months walking across Europe (from Western France eastward), ideally sleeping outdoors each night or in abandoned buildings. Do you have any idea of what basic gear I will need and how expensive that may be?

I was thinking:

x1 sleeping bag
x1 water-resitant bivvy (to go over the sleeping bag
x2 pairs of clothing (two pairs of socks, etc)
x1 non-plastic water bottle
x1 metal fork
x1 toothbrush, comb, toothpaste and soap

My main issue is with sleeping outdoors. Is it enough to simply find some woods and lay down in a dry area inside a bivvy and sleeping bag, or should I get a a one-person tent (they seem expensive), tarp, groundsheet or something like that?

 No.170569

>>170567
Seems like one of the thousands of backpacker sites or camping blogs would be a better place to ask about this.
Just the money for a passport seems like money that could be better spent getting food in your belly or shelter for the night.

 No.170575

>>170567
If it's not gonna be cold don't bother with the sleeping bag, just a bivy and a tarp will do if it's during summer. Not sure if there are mosquitoes in Europe or what but you might want to invest in a bug net. I wouldn't buy/carry a metal fork or any cooking stuff unless you're 100% going to be using it.

Finding spots to sleep in the countryside and woods is easy as fuck. Cities are more complicated but usually you can find a spot. Just use common sense and pick spots where you won't be seen and where people wouldn't go.

 No.170576

>>170569
Thank you. I'm in the UK so have a passport. I think Brexit means moving between countries is harder, but I'm not worrying about that.

>>170575
If I do go I'll start walking from western France around early August, so I imagine it will get cold around late September. Do you have any tips on sleeping in the countryside? For example, if I use a small one-person tent then that seems okay (provided it is easy to carry), however I tried sleeping outdoors in my bivvy bag recently and it felt like there wasn't enough oxygen coming in when I closed the opening to prevent bugs getting in.

 No.170578

>>169837
this unfortunately, life always becomes shittier as you get older. the only difference between different lifestyles is the speed.

 No.170580

This video made me cry. The lady in it looks a lot like my mother:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opQBd_RGoeY

It made me want to take out money from my savings and give it to homeless people. This world is so full of suffering.

 No.170581

>>169813
Got any tips for how to be prepared to actually suicide?

 No.170592

>>170576
>however I tried sleeping outdoors in my bivvy bag recently and it felt like there wasn't enough oxygen coming in when I closed the opening to prevent bugs getting in.
Personally I dealt with the bugs which sucked so I don't recommend. Also during humid summer inside a bivy which also sucked. And I experienced the lack of oxygen/air circulation too and dealt with it which also sucked. So as I said get a bug net and sleep inside it with no bivy/sleeping bag during the warm months, or a tent, whatever YOU personally want to carry.

There aren't really any tips to give on sleeping in the countryside except as I said in the other post to pick a spot where you won't be seen so you won't get robbed/assaulted/disturbed/etc.

Also take pictures and make posts here on wizchan as I am interested since I want to vagabond in Europe next and I'm sure many others here are also interested. Maybe even make videos and upload them to YouTube.

 No.170610

>>170567
Also add floss to the dental hygiene items.
Flossing is really damn important.

 No.170612

>>170592
Thank you, I didn't think of humidity but yes that would be very uncomfortable plus I get bad nightmares when I am too hot while sleeping. In Western, Central and Northern Europe as far as I'm aware poisonous bugs are quite rare, or common, so I hope that wouldn't be an issue. I'm still in the planning stage and figuring out prices etc.

>>170610
Thank you. I've never flossed previously but have healthy teeth (aside from one), however I do like brushing my teeth each morning (and also bathing) so hopefully I won't end up reflecting the archetype of the filthy wildman etc.

 No.170621

>>170610
Has anyone heard of flossing your ass before or was the just an internet trick?

 No.170630

>>170211
Until some bored highschoolers drown you and never get punished because the japanese do not fucking care if an undesirable dies or is inconvenienced in any way.

 No.170677

>>170630
>do not fucking care if an undesirable dies or is inconvenienced in any way
Except that is even more valid for every other country on Earth.
I went down a rabbit hole of frequenting online train-hopping communities and some of the shit you hear will make your skin crawl with stories such as people getting abducted while hitchhiking and never seen again, getting the shit kicked out of them by small town vigilante squads, robbed by gangs of junkies and worse. And the cops will respond with "lol they were a drugged out bum, got any proofs?"
The fact that you're even bringing up the japanese highschoolers is because that was a widely-publicized case that is by no means an indication of the norm there. Also those homeless were living under the same bridge in the middle of the city for years.

 No.170678

>>170630
One dies when one's time comes anyway. That being said I was there, I did it all, and no Japanese ever disturbed me. Getting assaulted is more likely to happen in the rest of the world where the people are higher in psychopathy.

 No.170702

>>170630
That only happened back in the 80s-90s when the yakuza still had a lot of power so they could get away with anything. Japan is a neutered country now.

 No.170755

Any tips for me? I’m thinking if I should rather be homeless than live at home.

My older brother made a hole through my door so he can watch me I think he’s pretty gay but I put a jacket over the hole on my side of the door so he can’t watch me. Him and the younger sisters like to put Nutella and lubricant on my door handle too.

I have to keep my door locked otherwise they might decide to dump cat shit on my bed.

I have to buy takeaway cause if I buy food it will most likely get eaten.

The only saving grace is at least I have my own room with a lock.

Whenever I have an argument my mum just tells me to move out.

Trying to get a job but it’s a lot harder than I thought and it’s hard to rent too.

I did get a job at maccas but somehow my older brother found out so he wants me to get fired. He’s autistic. I haven’t told him where I work and I don’t want to ever.

Maybe It’s better just to be homeless?

 No.170756

>>170755
Your home life sounds like torture, if you want to be homeless, go for it.

 No.170757

>>170755
To be honest i would kill myself if i were in that situation

 No.170761

>>170755
Sounds nightmarish enough that homelessness will be an improvement. But long-term homelessness isn't ideal and the longer you're homeless the bigger the hole you're digging (your mind will start to break down too after a few months). So try to get a job and a place unless you want a life of homelessness.

 No.170764

>>170630
in my country homeless have been burned alive and it's le so called civilised Yurop

 No.170783

>>170755
burn your house down

 No.170795

>>170755
Keep up with the job/earning money thing as well as mine all your social connections (if you have any) to look for a place to stay, even if it is just couch surfing for a bit.

As long as you have income coming in and low expenses you can probably find a way to make it on your own.
So focus on that and make sure to keep striving for a income and keep it away from your brother so he doesn't fuck it up for you.

Being homeless is worse, but if you can even get a shit job or other income it opens up a lot of options if you are smart with the little bit of money you got coming in.
Look for single rooms to rent, or reach out to extended family, and friends of family to see if they might have a room to rent out for a lower then market rate.
Even asking around the work place if you aren't hated their might open up leads.

The best deals and lowest rate places to rent usually aren't listed but rather arrangements made by knowing someone. You don't have to be close or even be super comfortable with them, just know them well enough to form a informal business arrangement.

Once you got your space away from torment, keep working on yourself and your situation until you got the income or opportunity to get a place all to yourself that is stable.
That is the goal.

While it may suck having your dickass family members mess with you, it is better then having to deal with dozens of random asshole street people who are willing to be far more malicious for even less reason.

Like your brother probably won't shank you with a rusty utility knife because he somehow got the idea in his head that you might have his drug of choice stashed in your bag.
Or have some crackhead literally piss on your sleeping gear because you are too close to his favorite spot to have nasty crackhead sex with his gay lover.

Your goal should be to get money and move ASAP.
You want to improve your situation not make it worse.

 No.170796

Believe it or not some of us are in fucked up homes/abusive situation and being homeless somewhere safe is way better

 No.170803

>>170795
This is good advice, the problem is that i'm not motivated to even survive because of the crab-inducing domination that has happened to me all my life.
No backbone, no courage. Team LDAR i guess..
But i still wish to be better than i am, but each time i improve i cringe at myself for some reason

 No.170817

>>170796
>being homeless somewhere
>safe

In my experience you only get one of those.
There is no being safe and living on the street. You have to be on edge or you will get your shit pushed in. You can never really fully relax, never truly feel safe, and you are always just a few seconds to shit turning bad.
Homelessness isn't a good solution to a shitty home situation. Which is why only children who don't know any better actually choose to live on the streets because of family shit.

 No.170832

>>170795
Thanks, I will keep looking. I am hoping tomorrow I get shifts at Mac Donald’s. Tuesday’s are when the rosters Restart. I believe they mostly want me to do night shift on the weekends but it will be nice I guess.

I’m thinking of going for long walks but it’s just hard since my area is back into lockdown again.
I left my phone somewhere the other day my older brother looked through my phone again to see if I have any porn saved but I delete it now. A breach of privacy for me but he gets away with it because he’s disabled

 No.170833

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>>168642
New to the site so this is my first time here. But unfortunately not new to homelessness. All I can offer as advice is Pic related for transportation bikes and shelter hammock since it's the most portable and the ground is hard and cold at night. If you can pass for a normal person get a dog from any website that offers them for free there are plenty of people that want to get rid of them. They will protect and wake you up in case of danger(most dogs will some are useless stick with german shepherd if you can). Use Google maps to find grocery markets that don't have an secured garbage bin or look for a charity that gives food. Winter is a disaster and a cave is actually 7c constant temperature and usually that's terrible but if outside you have -10c it could save your life also big cities don't get that cold even in winter.If your in Europa I suggest the south of Italy.

 No.170834

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Has anyone tried asking groceries or butchers for food waste?
I don't want to do dumpster diving, id prefer to directly ask the employees for food they're gonna discard anyway

 No.170835

>>170832
As someone with autism and who has been around people from all over the spectrum, it really doesn't justify him being such a turd. No offense intended but him being a asshole is due to not being raised right.
I don't know your family dynamic but if my brother did half the shit he did to you I would have full on kicked his ass.

Not suggesting you do that though. Sounds like your mom would probably just use it against you to kick you out.
Shit, really wish I was better at giving advice on dealing with family dynamics and social shit but like I said, autism.

Night shift is the best time imo to work in service industry jobs. Less interaction, sometimes better pay, and usually the work is more straight forward.
Lockdown or not, unless you are in China or something you are still allowed to take lone walks by yourself. Once you got that income coming in you are in the home stretch of getting away and living on your own.

I wish you luck.

 No.170836

>>170834
Bigger chains give stuff directly to charities that help the homeless. They really don't like giving stuff directly to people for a number of reasons.
That said those charities are not hard to find and are a lifesaver when it comes to staying fed on no money without having to beg or dig in trash.

If you are in a new area ask around at the library and they will usually have info on who is handling out food locally wear they are doing it and when.

Between that and a small bag of "camp friendly" food I almost never even got close to going hungry while on the street. Didn't have to pull a single food item from the trash once.

 No.170843

>>170835
Thanks wizzie

 No.170847

>>170834
Useless, how are you going to cook?

 No.170848

>>169948

you shit during the day so you don't have to shit when the restrooms are closed

 No.171433

I tried to find the site but I cannot find it anymore
One guy was a stealth camper and lived from his tent while doing oddjobs, travelling, hanging out in museums on spare time and stuff like that. He had lots of tips on his website about gear and climates, where to camp et cetera.

I wish I could find it.
For example he liked to get rid of crap and reduce his possessions to a minimum. He also liked desert climate because according to him, wetness is the source of many problems (mosquitos, soaked clothes that won't warm you anymore, drying problem)

He liked San Diego and he had his spot where he would set up camp at night and move away before dawn next morning to avoid being detected.
He also had a story when he was in Nevada and he loved it there because lots of the land is federal land and you can just squat there without anyone bothering you. He said in deserts there are no mosquitos and he could just sleep in his sleeping bad under open sky

He also had a story about trying to spend some vacation time in Bahamas and they did not let him in because he had no hotel reservation
Really interesting stories but I cannot find the blog anymore

 No.171441

>>171433
Can you please find this blog, i wish to read these stories.
Do you remember any more?

 No.171449

>>171441
The blog was about stealth camping and minimalistic living
It had like a section
>things you don't need in life
that was the best part of it. For example he said you don't need shaving foam because without water it is useless anyways. He used vaseline for shaving and had many tricks like that to get away in dry climates.
he had an entire section where he philosophed about how useless most things in our lives are and you don't actually need them at all

and I think the general color of his blog was green and it was a rather old style of website not this javascript crap you see everywhere today. He did not post much in the past few years but he was very active from 2010 on. I think he lost his home in the real estate bubble and had to become stealth camper by necessity and then he made an art of it. It was so interesting to read his stories. He travelled very cheap by plane because when he was still employed he had lots of business flights and those miles were collected or something and he had VIP status no idea how exactly it was.

he was a white guy doing odd jobs over internet or something.
He wrote how he was doing more cultural stuff then normies ever do. He would go in cheap cinema broadcasts in the afternoons or he would spend time at museums and libraries and learn about all types of things.

I just remembered he had a story where he was travelling to florida in the winter. He was at the key islands and he shown the best techniques to stay undetected there. I will try to find the blog again this week

——————–

Then there was the other guy whose blogs I liked
an englishman who travelled by bike from england to iran and back
this was called bikepacking:
https://tomsbiketrip.com/whats-the-best-tent-for-cycle-touring/
https://tomsbiketrip.com/how-to-camp-anywhere-and-not-get-busted/
no it was armenia actually

 No.171450


 No.171451

This is his website:
http://glenn-campbell.com/

I currently cannot find the other thing he had going
it was something like
>shit nobody needs
or something like that where he would write paragraphs about how useless something is and why nobody needs it

but you should be able to find it on the blog or his website
in any case I go to bed now
I hope you enjoy it

 No.171485

>>171451
Thanks wiz, i will enjoy this greatly

 No.171489

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>>171485
you welcome
I will check it out again too
Got this idea to get my own van living adventure ready
Lately I have been watching RV stuff on youtube too.

I cannot believe people spend 200K on a RV home
If you bought a van for transportation like a postal service uses them, you could just put a 6ft. x 2 ft. matress or rubber mat inside and sleep in a sleeping bag on it. That would be 1/10th of the cost for a new vehicle.
The sleeping bag could be rated for the climate you plan to stay in or if you drive around you could even have extra blankets or something.
You can upgrade it with all sorts of things like a solar panel on the roof

Once you have a van to sleep in, you don't even need a tent anymore unless you plan to do excursions into places that have no drivable roads. Then you are left with about 2 sq. yards of space left for whatever you need:
>travelling luggage with your clothes inside
>water canisters for drinking and washing yourself
>ropes to hang towels or laundry on

I understand why RVs are so popular in america though.
Lots of no-man's land to squat on and gas is cheap and no mandatory insurance for the car
this way you can reduce your costs to basically the fuel costs and costs for maintenance and repairs.

 No.171491

>>171489
>ropes to
You scared me with that for a sec lol
Yep, if you can live in an RV on some disability check, better than renting

 No.171492


 No.171494

>>171491
if you mean for suicide, charcoal grills work better in cars then ropes
you have an airtight enclosed space and you will most likely not survive an incident like this

>>171492
thank you man
this is the one I was looking for

one good point he makes is that most people build their own jail. for example they build themselves a mcmansion somewhere in suburbia for hundreds of thousands of dollars with fancy furniture and vehicles and what not and then they are dependent on a high salary to pay off this crap. If you lost your 100K job in the recession you were not able to pay your mcmansion mortgage anymore and taking a burger flipper job would be a catastrophe for you. the problem is also often that they cannot get rid of their "investment" in bad times because they would not get the price they paid for it, so they are locked out of moving to a place with better job prospects.

but if you lived out of your truck then the burger flipper job will cover your monthly gas and food costs and you might put away savings for car repairs and upgrades in the future while also having the privilege of being able to move towards wherever the jobs are in a couple of days. so a new oil rig opens in texas you just say goodbye to your urban restaurant job and start somewhere new

 No.171506

just started reading his postings again
I cannot believe that stuff he wrote in year 2009 still has its validity even today. it is from his kilroy series

 No.171512

>>171506
Feel free to post your favourite articles and a short review, it's a comfy topic!

 No.171518

>>171512
here from his kilroy cafe:
http://kilroycafe.com/
http://kilroycafe.com/ideas/taste/

here he describes a phenomenon he named
>taste inflation
basically whenever your income or perceived wealth increases, you are likely to scale your consumption behaviour towards your financial limit until none of that perceived wealth is left over for you in the end

for example you get a high paid silicon valley job but since your fancy hipster appartement in a gentrified artsy quarter of town costs 1500$ and your daily cup of morning coffee costs 8$ and all the other hip and cool stuff you buy eats up all your salary. and any end of year bonus you might have gotten for a good project will be blown for a new sports car or boat which will generate monthly costs for you to pay forever.

In some other article he also made a nice comparison. He compared the modern home to a museum that people built their entire lives. They are not living life as whatever they like to do but instead they become museum curators and builders for their entire life. The house they own ends up owning them.

From a practical perspective it is right. If you have 1 bedroom a kitchen and a bathroom you will not spend much time cleaning up your place. Heating costs will be lower too. But once you have a 12 bedroom mansion you will have to find a maid to keep it from sinking into dust remember that batman movie with bane where christian bale comes from a long travel into his home and all furniture is cloaked in white cloths to avoid getting dust there and you will have to hire some gardener to prevent your garden from becoming a little jungle

Or in one entry on his "things you don't need" blog he wrote down how unnecessary dish washers are.
If you really think about it he is right. You could easily just take the plate, glass and utensils you used for your meal and clean them right away in the sink and let them dry for use in a few hours again.
Instead we add a machine into this equation which in turn creates a new layer of bureaucracy about who has to do the dishes at what time of the week which in turn is perfect breeding ground for conflicts between everyone involved in that bureaucracy.


Today I will read more how exactly he set himself up for this nomad life. I know he has a postal box in las vegas but I wonder how he does all the other bureaucracy stuff. Like, don't you need a valid adress to have a bank account?

 No.171523

>>171518
Good stuff, do let us know if you come up with any more insights, i read them all!

 No.171524

Not more insights, I am reading his San Diego diary ATM and it is ironic that he got 3 days of rain storms in a row in sunny california just after arriving there. his tent was soaked
but I do understand his rasoning. It is much warmer there compared to Vegas in winter

here is the blog I originally had in mind:
https://guide2homelessness.blogspot.com/
the green colored blog of the other guy who found out that vaseline is a good shaving foam substitute

 No.171533

>>171524
Is this the homeless guy that was using library wifi to upload his blogs? I've been looking for this guy for years! Thanks wiz, you really came through for me

 No.171541

>>171533
not sure if this is the one you mean but Glenn used a college library in San Diego as his office and he would post on his blog from there. I mean the lady on the counter cannot possibly know if he is a student or not. that is the good thing about campuses.
also toilet facilities are kept clean every day there and if they have a gym, there will likely be a shower too.

Video from youtube shows another interesting guy I found back then on youtube. He one day just said fuck it, packed his van and drove to Los Angeles to become a music producer or whatever he does. I watched a few newer videos and he seems to have found a group of fellow artists and they seem to have gotten themselves a house now. I wonder if they are a hip hop crew in the making.
There are many other videos on youtube about people like that.


Back to Glenn
So I have been reading his blog now from start to end and I noticed some things with his way of life.
The problem I see is that he is not really off grid. He does have some sort of income more or less regularly that allows him to rent cars, motel rooms or buy disposable sleeping bags at wall mart with. I think buying stuff and then constantly throwing it away is not a very smart thing to do even if it is only 10$.
He has a yearly subscription at a fitness center and it allows him to use their showers and warm jaccuzzi tub in the winters.

Most of the time he spends in the deserts around Las Vegas. He has a spot on federal land where he drives to with his rental car. He sets up an air matress and slips in his sleeping bag and just sleeps in the open.
Deserts have no rain and no mosquitos so he can sleep rather well. If it gets too cold outside or in case of rain he just stays inside his car overnight.

Him having a car at disposal of course helps him cut down his equipment down to 10 dollar air matresses and sleeping bags. The cheap tents he uses are more like anti mosquito mesh nets and do not have to withstand rain. This is why he can use this cheap throw away crap. In case it does not work out, he just spends the night in the car or at motel 6. He usually tells himself that a new 10$ sleeping bag is still cheaper then a 40$ motel room.

While he has some useful tips, I don't think this is the solution for most people here. It is just a too wasteful system.
For example what I think from a money perspective is that spending money on rental cars and camping equipment could also be spent on an appartement. However for people who have some type of job/income and need their car to get to work anyways, car dwelling could be an oppurtunity to cut away rent completely and spend that money on whatever else you want (travel, savings, investments, etc)
But what I like about his approach is his flexibility and how he cuts out everything non-necessary away. For example he does not cook, he goes to buffets and stuffs himself every few days and buys only dry food as snacks or emergency provisions on him.
If you don't have a kitchen, you don't need gas, knives etc.

The big problem I see with this lifestyle is that you don't have an adress so you cannot renew your passport, open a bank account or do anything that requires an address. also if you need insurence for your car or repairs, those can be big bills at once. The next problem would be if you need to renew your driver's license or if your driver's license is taken away from you for whatever reason.
Gas is not free either and the more you drive, the more it costs you. If you get an offroad vehicle it will use more gas even.
Sure these obstacles can all be overcome, but you need to think of a way for it first. It needs preparation and cannot be done just like that.


For van living. I saw a few very fancy vans with even kitches toilets and showers. I mean normies spend like 40 grand on a van and then probably even more to customize it into their camping mobile with sometimes even boilers and solar panels and what not. And when the car breaks apart you can throw it all in the trash. In general, getting a custom solution is usually more expensive then to just stick with something factory produced.
And if your van crosses the warranty period, you can just trade it in for a brand new one while you still get a good price for the old one. So instead of repairs you get a new van every few years.

If I ever tried something like this, I would probably just get the cheapest van I can find, put an air matress inside, get a sleeping bag, blanket and pillow and keep my clothes in a samsonite. Maybe some water canisters for emergencies and that's it. For showers, you can register at a gym but that limits you geographically where you can stay. The other solution is to just move from town to town and stay a few days everywhere and just use the public swimming pools. For clothes you can either use laundromats or buy cheap clothes and keep them until they are smelly only.

Of course your van has shit insulation so in cold or hot weather you are at the mercy of the climate. But that means you just have to drive to whatever warmest climate you have available to you. For Americans it would usually mean southern california and florida for the winter months. The good thing about the USA is that everything is in the same jurisdiction with the perfect climate type for every time of year.
The europeans would most likely spend the winters in spain portugal or greece. you could even take the ferry to the canary islands from cadiz. I also read moroccoo lets you stay visa free for up to 90 days so that would be an adventure on its own. also it would have the much desired desert climate without rain and insects like in nevada. I doubt anyone cared if you set up camp in the desert or parked your car on desert land. It likely belongs to nobody anyways

 No.171544

this guy has everything in his van

and then we have another creative one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5pi3sLRVZ0

there is generally 2 types of people doing this
those who lost their roof over the head
and those who are either zoomers or millenials and find this as a new sort of lifestyle that makes their travelling easier and cheaper

this one seems to be one from that group:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suvnbyk9cz4


But I think you cannot blame people for it, the economy is shit and it has been shit for at least since 2008.
However, I wonder if Glenn is still homeless.
From newer entries of his blog he seems to have been selling stock photos from his travels and also he published a book. What he also does is he transports vehicles and pets from one part of the US to another

 No.171551

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I am overly obsessed with being homeless and hiding innawoods, why do i have this obsession?
When getting a job would be much easier for me and not have to deal with cold, criminal and police?
My brain want comfiness but my heart wants homeless wandering

 No.171553

>>171541
Wow, i'm very ipressed by that homeless guy that moved to LA, i like hearing stories of someone following thier dreams and refusing to wageslave.
Wageslavery kills the desire to try new things or better yourself, the other normworkers drag you down, that's why that always ask what you do in your spare time, to see if you are trying to better yourself and you better watch out if you are.
I would say this has inspired me, but i think it has more inspired a past me, before the hermit misanthropy sunk in deep.

 No.171554

>>171541
So how does Glen insure his car in the first place?
How does he do so much travelling? (83 countries)
Does he store his car near the airport or something?

 No.171556

>>171551
Wanderlust is a common thing among wizardly types. You know that you don't have a real home, and that your existence now is hollow and disposable. I think we desire to start over, to both mentally and physically depart from our current situation and try to find some place that you can make yours. Somewhere that you're not sure exists, but will keep searching for.

 No.171560

>>171551
>cold, criminal and police
the desert is your solution
no humans there, dry and as long as you have a sleeping bag, you will be warm enough for the night
but the problem is you need to get there so you need a car unless you like walking from where you get your water and food every day with all your equipment on bag

>why do i have this obsession?

I think I know the answer. Same thing is true for criminals also. You know that you do not belong to any place. So you come to a new place, try to set up yourself but soon you find out that you don't belong there and vanish one day without telling anyone. I think it has to do with trying to run away from yourself.


>>171553
I admire him for his boldness to drive across the country and just be there do his thing even if he had nothing there. He said he could get a job at some mcdonalds or dunkin donuts for a wage and then he could afford to "exist" in LA but he would not be doing what he came for there in the first place. In a sense, his hard situation has also pushed him into a corner and pressured him to find ways how to sustain himself and apparently he does video editing and sells youtube merchandise. So this extreme situation activated his survival instinct to do something to get ahead.
If you sit in your comfy bedroom and have no worries, there is little incentive to do anything about it. Why, you have it comfy after all ..

Glenn also describes in one of his philosophy essays that the smelly homeless are just people who are very passive people and gave up completely at life and you cannot suggest them solutions or give tips because they already gave up themselves completely. While the invisible homeless are people who are still somewhat functional and always seek out to find new or better solutions.
The smelly homeless are people who have lost or never had the ability to take care of themselves. Once they were in mental wards but since those were closed in the 80s, we have them on the streets instead. Now San Fran has a giantic poop on the sidewalks problem. Government pays either way for it ..

>the other normworkers drag you down

you know it all comes down to basically crabs in a bucket mentality:
>why can this lazy bum slack off entire day and do whatever the fuck he wishes to while I waste my life in this office?
Huckleberry Finn was my hero when I was a kid. Tom Sawywer had to waste his day at the school but huck lived in his tree house and appreared to live the adventure life every day.

I also watched a doc movie about a group of hippies in La Gomera on the Canary islands. They occupied a cave on the coast and lived there peacefully minding their own business. Until one day some old lady snitched on them
>but we have rules here, they cannot just not follow the rules
hence the laws about "wild camping"
You cannot be allowed to use some unused part of coast to spend your 7 hours of unconsciousness there
They want you to pay 100€ per night in a hotel room of which 20€ will land in the pockets of govts (VAT)

>>171554
>So how does Glen insure his car in the first place?
From reading his blog, he seems to be homeless even today.
He does not seem to own a car but rather he rents out cars for a week or so. His credit card covers the insurance of the car. He has a storage room in Las Vegas and a postal box in Las Vegas but he uses family or friends sometimes too for receiving govt stuff post.
Also good thing about having a health club or fitness subscription that has offices in many different cities. So you could use them wherever you may come to.

>How does he do so much travelling? (83 countries)

He is a former airline employee and he could fly on standby for free. Standby means if a seat is not sold to a customer he gets it for free.
That helped him to travel basically for free between 2007 and 2011. He only paid for hostels food and camping stuff. Then his status ran out.
Ever since he does not get free air fare but he just hiked the rates for his transportation service. This is one way he earns money. The other is doing photography (stock photos, videos), writing, internet bloggery and the like. I assume he goes out to a new destination, spends a good time there and takes home a few photos that can generate ads revenue

>Does he store his car near the airport or something?

He appears to use rental cars. He gets them for 200$ a week and says it is still cheaper then a motel room. When he has work to do the customers are basically giving him a car to drive for free, paying him for it on top and he sleeps on truck stops or motels on the way. Then he obviously needs no rental car in that time. I think he cleverly times his gigs like fly to NY, move a car to FL, take the next customer there, move his pet to TX and so on. Logistics companies are doing the same and always trying to never let their trucks drive without cargo.

 No.171580

>>171560
> doc movie about a group of hippies in La Gomera on the Canary islands
Sounds comfy wiz, can you link the documentary?
>the desert is your solution
Yes msot liekly, the only thing is i know i have a high probabilty of dieing out there, and as you said, i have comfiness right now, plus to go to a desert i'd have to go to southern Spain, Canaries like you said, Morroco or Jordan, so pretty sketchy situation over here.
If you can show me some videos of Canary cave dwelling i would be more up for that though, then i can grow coconuts at least.

 No.171581

>>171560
Great reply, especially on the Glen stuff, it's clever how he did it, again as you said, survival instinct really makes someone creative and can show me a new way to live. Sorry i can't write more i'm very tired right now and have a brainfog

 No.171607

>>171580
The doc movie was about an austrian millenial.
She lived there as a hippie for like a year with 5000 euros (clearly overstaying her tourist visa)
the name of the place was
>caves of Valle Gran Rey, La Gomera
there was a hippie movement about this in the 60s even and in the doc movie everything went fine until they were snitched on by some lady
the Spanish are notorious for their non toleration of wild campers along the coastlines. They use helicopters to track you and evict you if they find you
This is why I think Spain might not be a good solution after all

Maroc is a 3rd world country but that also means that food is cheap and most of their country is desert. I doubt anyone gave a flying fuck about you camping in the desert. The only real problem there is not getting your van stolen.
About Maroc I also read that you can simply renew your visa for another 90 days just by driving over the border to ceuta (spanish territory on african soil) and just driving back. They don't really care how long you stay as long as you don't cause trouble and have money with you

Far Away in the south I saw an interesting town like Dakhla or something. The climate there is similar to Canary islands but they have lots of wind there (they offer windsurfing to tourists there).
It seems to be the last real town before the desert highway to mauritania

I also read that on the southern most edge of western sahara there is a ghost town right at the ocean
It was an old spanish fort for fishers and Maroc troops abandonned the land there in the western sahara war. They just said it is a shitty territorry that always gets sunk in new sand and they have no interest to project power there so they left. Right on the other side of the peninsula is the city of Nouadibou (Mauritania)

You can get there by the Western Sahara highway and wikipedia says most EU citizens get visa easily
However, I read that you can not cross over to the other side of the peninsula to where this ghost town is. It seems like militans have taken control of the town.
But imagine if you could. It is basically a no-man's land. An entire ghost town just for you.
Just drive to Nouadibou for water and food every few days and you are good to set up camp there forever as long as the militans don't kidnap you.


>If you can show me some videos of Canary cave dwelling i would be more up for that though, then i can grow coconuts at least.

no the hippies don't even do that
that austrian succubus went there with money but some of the hippies have been living there for years
they fund their stay basically through all the other tourists that come every year. They play music on guitars or sell hand made art at the street. But I think if you had some form of passive income, even if only 200€ per month, you could survive there in one of these caves. Of course the government does not like it. If you stay there, they want you to pay for hotels or hostels to give them some money. Even if you buy your own food and what not.

 No.171609

>>171581
Look, I admire Glenn very much about how careless he is and just does this shit.
But the problem with how he does it is that he has a more or less steady income to depend on. Even if that is small, he can afford to buy all this camping crap and just throw it away if necessary. When you are dead broke, this will not work. Also the other question is what is cheaper on the long run? flying to a nicer climate or driving?
Driving has advantages of course. Your car/van is a natural protection against wind, rain and snow, so you don't need a tent to set up for the night. But the problem of the car/van is that you are bulky. People will easily spot you if you park where you are not permitted to. So to be perfectly safe you would need a parking space you paid for.

I thought the entire week how to make this work what he does. I mean, let's suppose you have a van. Even if you don't need to insure your car and if your car is a lucky one that needs no repairs for long. You need money for gas. So what can you do for money? In a world where getting any type of work is ever increasingly hard.

I mean, you are mobile. You are flexible. This is the selling point of small companies that big companies don't have. Big companies have very efficient processes. Everything is optimized and cheap. But they are really bad at taking work really fast when someone needs it quick. And usually those companies are not really interested in micro orders. For example they charge you based on their standardized volumes and don't care if you don't need it for the entire time or for the entire volume.

So, theoretically you could start a transportation company to earn money for niche markets. Move shit from one place to another, if possible chain gigs from one town to another or optimize your tours to never drive empty. List ads online and wait for work. There is always someone in need of moving some crap to somewhere else. Students, singles who move to a new appartement or maybe some hip startup that needs to transport a very important cargo for one of their customers and needs someone to do it ASAP. You could offer a VIP express service like "order before 3 AM and I am at your logistics hub in 7AM to pick the cargo up" and charge top dollar for it. Or maybe even food deliveries in cities. People are so lazy they don't even want to drive to McD anymore.

So you could optimize your entire possessions to fit in one big sports bag and just keep this in your car. When you are on work, you keep it on the passenger seat if there is no space in your van. When on the road you can sleep at highway rest stations for a night or blow up your air matress and sleep in your sleeping bag a little away from the road. Or alternatively you could offer airport transportation for people with lots of luggage. Like if they have 2 sports bag, 1 cage with dog and one with a cat. Or for people who want to drive somewhere with equipment. Like camera teams who carry recording equipment or something. Of course you would not get rich doing such oddjobs but when you have no other costs then gas and the occasional shower or motel night, you could make it work.

This would be the one method. The other would be to just roam from one small town to another and look for oddjobs.
Like you move to some small town and spend the first night at the motel. You shower, dress up and then ask what jobs they have in this town. Usually everyone knows each other and people can point you to where they need help.
>oh yes, Johnny from the sawmill needs help right now, go there and tell him Will sent you there
If there is no work available you just enjoyed your stay, saw some new stuff and can move to the next town.
Like a never ending road movie

The other problem I see with this is the question about what the fuck you would do entire day if there is no work for you and it is winter. Usually winter will not kill you as long as you are clothed warmly. But the cold is nasty. Its only advantage is that there is no insects and spiders in winter, so you don't have to worry about mosquito nets for half a year. And you could warm up at public swimming pools or spa centers, fitness centers and the likes for a few hours. But the rest of the day you need to spend somewhere. Malls could be a nice warm place to spend the day at. They might even have free wifi and parking for customers. Malls also tend to have nice bath rooms. The thing that the other homeless guy mentions (the teen runaway) is museums and cinemas. Cinemas are nice in summer because they are usually cooled and you can take a nap if you don't like the film. But museums you can only visit once and then you know what they have there and it will not be interesting anymore.

>well, if winter is a problem for you, just drive south

that works for americans and australians very well because their countries span different climates. If you live in Sweden you can drive down to Malmö and still freeze your ass entire winter. The Swedish modern nomad would have to drive south to Cote Azure, southern Spain and Portugal. He would have to pay 100s of euros of gas and there he would be at the mercy of local police. As a tourist you are foreign in the land you are currently in and they have the right to kick you out whenever they like if you don't behave. Because you know, everyone can see his van and if you park where you are not allowed to, they will tow it or fine you. Also you need a place to take a shower because in winter you cannot bathe in the atlantic in Portugal. I think a possibility would be to hop from town to town and stay 2 or 3 nights per town but always at some other place. However, I imagine the cost for fuel would be immense for driving around constantly and I wonder if it would be more price efficient to take a flight to portugal and stealth camp in the bushes at night.

>where do I park my car

probably where one would expect a car to be parked
so a van in the middle of the night next to some forest path would be very suspicious to anyone who drives past
but a car parked in front of a 24h wall mart or home improvement store would be expected there
also in smaller towns it is more likely that parking spots are free of charge because smaller towns tend to have enough space while cities are always crowded and they need to charge for parking to motivate people to go by foot or bicycle
Probably some home improvement store or gardening store in the outskirts of town would offer free parking to customers and you could use it overnight and just move on before dawn


Probably the biggest risk I see in the van life is when they tow your van or take away your driver's license for whatever reason.
Being a freeparker you will probably give them enough reason to fine you. Once you have a few fines, they will find eventually something more grave to charge you with and take your driver's license away. Then you would be fucked royally.
Here again the question is is it cost efficient to buy a van, gas and insurance for it if you never earn money from transportation work and just live in your van. You could also just stealth camp near an airport, use the airport toilets every now and then and travel south whenever it gets too cold for your taste.


As with everything in life, there is no perfect solution

 No.171611

>>169833
Dont you insult the smartest programmer who ever lived nigger faggot.

 No.171659

Doc movie of the gomera hippies:

 No.171664

>>171659
What country do I need to set my vpn to watch it?
Is it actually related to the topic of the thread?
Is it even in English?

 No.171666

>>171664
i tried france on mine and it worked

seems to be about a few different homeless individuals that can otherwise be considered hippies, so yeah it seems relevant

it's in french but the englihs auto-generated subs worked alright

 No.171668

>>171664
I guess it is either germany or france as the tv station that aired this is described on youtube as being a FR/GER cooperation.

If you are interested in this topic, you can search more. There is some place called Beneficio in Andalusia (southern continental spain) that is like a hippie community. Everyone can come apparently.

 No.171676

>>171659
Thanks, looks comfy, will watch later

 No.171695

>>171668
>>171666
Thanks guys.

While it wouldn't be my personal choice to live like that I still appreciate the documentary.

 No.171836

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Imagine if you lived in the A Team van and drove around town entire day playing the opening theme music on full volume

 No.171840

>>171836
BEST IDEA EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 No.172418

>>171524
Oh I remember stumbling upon this site years ago. I've never been homeless myself, but I like reading these type of advice articles, there's a lot of good adaptable information on there. And you never know when you might need it someday. Are there are other homeless survival guides out there?


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