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 No.177335[View All]

The only thing that brings me true contentment is my faith in God and his son Jesus Christ. The only hope or joy I have in my life comes from God. I implore you all to read the gospel, to take upon yourselves the yoke of Christ and receive the free gift of salvation.

Amen.
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 No.180627

>>180624
>>180615
>>180560
you've been tricked by crypto jews into docility and self destruction. they worship knowledge of everythingness while lying to you to sacrifice yourself in their stead. you're controlled and mindfucked by the invisible who will devour his agentur along with him when the time comes.

 No.180628

>>180627
I appreciate shizoposting, but what the fuck are you even aiming at now.
I am advocating for actual spiritualism outside of d*miurges grasp.

 No.180658

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>attain union with the divine
>Individuality [is a] vain lie
>You are God
>God is the one and only being in all of existence
Reminder that those who actively seek to destroy themselves will end up achieving their goal.
>the material world is evil
Without a physical world, anon and his waifu will never be able to fuck each other's brains out. Sounds like a shit metaphysics to me.
Additionally, mother nature serves a vital purpose. Without struggle, there is no growth. At most there is only the bloat from rot and decay. How is one to struggle without a body to experience the struggle with?
Sure, many of the superfluous have chosen a path that leads only to destruction. Their end will be brought about by their own actions, so cast not a pall upon mother nature herself for the short-sightedness of mortals.
>d*miurge
>That concept, with that refusal to spell.
There's a word for your kind.

 No.180682

>>180626
>npc buzzword
Wizchan 2021

 No.180709

I don't trust most people who say they are religious in this day and age, no matter what their religion is. Or not just religion, but rather spirituality, the belief that there is more than matter in the universe. Most religious, esoteric/occultfags and spiritual people are just roleplaying and meming away, they are materialists just like everyone else deep down. How can anyone fool themselves nowadays with fairy tales and such? I can't comprehend it. I understand humanity was in the dark for a long time but come on, we live in the 21st century for god's sake.

I tried to take religion and spirituality seriously for a long time but I'm so tired of it. Fact is, I never met a god or a fairy or a demon and such, never experienced any visions or signs, never witnessed any miracle at all and probably neither did most of you. Spirituality is just, unnecessary, I guess. It is useless in our times, it proved to be a load of shit countless times.

To be particular, christians seem to me to be either
1.just preserving empty and meaningless traditions and rituals for the sake of keeping the continuity in the family.
2.using faith to justify and strengthen their political believes, whether they are right or left-wing oriented.
3.contrarians who pretend they are different from this materialistic society and world.
4.following christianity because they can't deal with suffering and the thought of death.

OK, maybe 4 can be considered a valid reason to be a christian but it is still stupid. Why embrace lies? Why not just be a stoic or buddhist or pessimist or whatever if you hate life so much or fear from it? There is no reason to run to childish stories and pretend that you believe in them when actually you don't.
Further investigating religions just make me believe that they are pure evil and malevolent. They ask you to deny yourself and everything you enjoy. God loves you but actually wants you to stop masturbating because if you don't follow his laws he hates you??? They ask you to give up your freedom and what makes you unique and yourself in order to…what? Obviously gods don't exist and neither does afterlife, so we have to look at religions too with the eye of the materialist man. Their secret agenda is to create a community where order and social harmony are the top priorities. No matter if you are robbed or beaten or mistreated, you should try to follow the authority and let yourself get treated as an animal because everything egoistic is absolutely unforgivable. Religions want you to hate this life, this world and the pleasures in it. Cruel, absolutely cruel. It isn't enough that the average person's life sucks because he has to work and has to fit in in order to survive but he is even to abandon any kind of joy in this world. Even in his free time and private life he can't be free, no! Think about the thing that connects you with others (God) and worship him! Worship the principle of slavery 24 hours a day! You can't be free from the community because the community (God) is everywhere!
Because ultimately God = society, this is the secret of religions, the ultimate mystery. Anyone who hates his brother can't love God and all that jazz. You can't be a decent religious person if you don't contribute to society, I'm pretty sure most religions are clear about this. In fact, you have to give yourself up completely and destroy yourself and just serve the community.

What worth and enjoyment lies in the religious life, I can't tell. Probably if you crave community on some level, if you want to belong to somewhere then it can be good but not for people like me. Or if you want to feel good by pretending you are morally superior, maybe it can provide some kind of warped happiness. My conclusion is that while it is true that all philosophical systems, political ideologies and religions are memes, at least political ideologies and philosophical schools of thought don't pretend to be more than they are, the thoughts of humans so they have the advantage in relation to religion, occultism and spirituality.(user was warned for this post, rule 8)

 No.180712

>>180709
Oh hey, the baby metal poster is back.

 No.180714

>>180709
Ah yeah, is the "woah how is possible there are people that don't think like everyone else?!" line of thinking. I'm not surprised that materialists have such a normalgroid ways.

 No.180719

>>180709
if there is nothing more than matter then light, magnets, and electricity, would not exist. the simple fact is that there is something immaterial encompassing the entire universe, infact the idea of a universe wouldnt even exist without it, and spirituality seeks to understand what this immaterial thing is and how it works.

 No.180720

>>180719
>light
heads up, some people believe theories that light is a particle (and a wave). It's and interesting read if you can find it.

 No.180728

>>180720
wow i couldntve possibly been aware that there are people that believe everything is material, not like i literally just replied to someone with that exact belief. and your second sentence is nonsensical, learn english you fucking dumbass.

 No.180768

>>180714
Idiocy and stupidity should always be called out and shamed vehemently. I won't tolerate any kind of lies or willful ignorance.

>>180719
What you describe are natural processes related to nature and material things, they aren't independent forces that work outside of nature.
>spirituality seeks to understand what this immaterial thing is and how it works.
No, spirituality is too busy making up tales and pulling things out of its own asshole. Science is what tries to understand the world and universe we live in by studying it. Spirituality has yet to show up any concrete results it has achieved over thousands of years. Anything will do besides fooling the masses into following their leaders obediently.

 No.180769

>>180768
>What you describe are natural processes related to nature and material things
oh youre one of those guys who believes in magical particles flying around between magnets? something which has never been the output of any experiment ever? something which has been pulled out of your ass? make up all the bullshit you want, you will never be able to find any material phenomenon that can fully explain how magnets work, thus there must be at least one immaterial thing in the world.

 No.180770

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>>180768
>No, spirituality is too busy making up tales and pulling things out of its own asshole.
You're talking about organized religion. A different thing entirely.

 No.180772

>>180769
realer than God

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 No.180852

>>177335
Obligatory

 No.180923

>>180769
I don't see how magnets prove the existence of the supernatural. You are talking about unrelated things. Magnets exist, god doesn't and neither do anything supernatural or spiritual. Grow up.

>>180770
No, it isn't just organized religion. Sprirituality and anything stating that there is more than matter is full of shit and is just trying to control you for its own agenda. We don't have any evidence or proof for the existence of either gods, unseen powers and energies, or whatever. Humanity was way too occupied with after-life, heaven, God, the supernatural and all this for too long. Pathetic. If there are unseen powers or beings let them show themselves or communicate with us.

 No.180927

>>180769
The photon is the force carrying particle in magnetic interactions.

 No.180958

>>180923
>I don't see how magnets prove the existence of the supernatural
they dont, because nothing supernatural exists. magnets prove the existence of the immaterial, through which every other immaterial phenomenon must work through. without something immaterial underlying the whole universe there would be no reason for any laws to be consistent (or any laws to exist at all) and nothing stopping something from just leaving the universe.

>We don't have any evidence or proof for the existence of either gods, unseen powers and energies

yet you are bound to the earth by a completely unseen force that has nothing to do with particles or anything material. and on top of that you are communicating with me through unseen energies travelling through the air.

>>180927
funny how thats never been the conclusion of any experiment ever.

 No.180959

>>180958
It is not experimentally derived, it is mathematically derived.

 No.180960

>>180958
Gravity, magnetic force, other unseen energies you mention are all related to matter. Gravity obviously is related to the planets, magnetic force is related to magnets, they aren't independent magic forces like you try to portray them as. And unseen doesn't mean immaterial, just so you know.

Try harder to prove your kid stories, you are genuinely entertaining.

 No.180964

>>180959
so could it be that its not actually real?

>>180960
>Gravity obviously is related to the planets, magnetic force is related to magnets, they aren't independent magic forces like you try to portray them as
what differentiates magnetism from telekinesis? both are related to matter so by your standards neither are magic nor related to the immaterial. could it be that immaterial phenomenon have effects on the physical world all the time? gravity draws planets together yet gravity itself can be found nowhere in the material world.

 No.180965

>>180964
Yeah, it could be. Literally everything that science claims could be false. It's all just a model that helps us understand the world around us.

 No.180967

>>180769
"magical particles flying around magnets"
They are certaintly not magical. You can meassure magnetic force, make calculations based on that and then see results matching those calculations in the real world. Same thing with gravity, just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's not real. If I could meassure the force of god, show his precence trough cathode-ray tubes or other experiments, make calculations involving him when designing things I would beleive he exists.
Just because you can't see something doesnt mean it's not real. And before you go "Well that means we can't know god isnt real either", of course you're right about that. But when something has a consistent, meassurable and observable effect on the universe that is a sign it exists. And when there are as many observations of electrons affecting the world that hold up under billions of independently performed tests that is practically proof.
It's like one step above going "well we can't see love either but we know it exists therefore god exists".
As someone who really would want to beleive in god arguments like that only cement my perception of religious people as ignorant of the world. I don't understand how religious people stay religous troughout their lives. Do they just block out any information that doesn't fit them?

 No.180970

>>180967
>You can meassure magnetic force, make calculations based on that and then see results matching those calculations in the real world
so do we agree magnetic force has nothing to do with particles?

>If I could meassure the force of god

god already mediates the interactions between everything there is and is everything there is, is that not enough evidence? and you cannot prove god exists, much less anything else.

>>180965
then it would make sense that a model of the world is secondary to what people in the world actually experience

 No.180971

>>180970
The model of the world is directly based upon observation and experience, so no, that would not make sense.

 No.180972

>>180970
Magnetic force has to do with electrons and atoms. What exactly is your point?
>god already mediates the interactions between everything there is and is everything there is, is that not enough evidence?
No, it is absolutely not. There is nothing to indicate that god mediates every action. You just stated that as fact without anything at all to suggest it.
>and you cannot prove god exists, much less anything else.
You can prove things exist trough observations of either the thing in question or how it influences things around it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_evidence
How can you both say you can not prove the existance of god and go "is that not proof enough" in the same post? Try to put yourself in my boots, someone who hasn't been raised religously.
I think it really boils down to feelings, you feel faith in you; I don't. I really have no spirituality, if you could provide me with literally any proof or at least something strongly suggesting the existance of god that isnt just a "We don't know" question that would save me from this hell. But I have yet to find a single such argument. They are all either based on previous ungrounded asumptions or require faith (which one too could argue falls under ungrounded asumptions).

 No.180973

>>180971
I realize I am somewhat contradicting myself here. It is based upon observation for that which we can observe. Things like virtual particles are not observable, and that is when we turn to the math.

 No.180974

>>180973
Yes, this is what I've been trying to explain to the relgious wizzy. We can't see energy either but we can observe things like velocity, mass, potential and make calculations to determine energy. Energy we can therefore conclude is real. With god we can do absolutely no such thing

 No.180975

>>180972
>No, it is absolutely not. There is nothing to indicate that god mediates every action. You just stated that as fact without anything at all to suggest it.
it seems we do not share the same definition of god.

>How can you both say you can not prove the existance of god and go "is that not proof enough" in the same post?

based on a belief you can prove things, but until you believe in something nothing can be proven. that then begs the question if anything can be truly known and the answer is no. you can have strong inclinations to believe something but true knowledge doesnt exist. everything you think you know is based on something you know. you know A because you know B because you know C and since you cant know everything that train of logic runs out and youre left with something you think you know but have nothing to base it on, making it a belief. and btw i said evidence not proof.

>Try to put yourself in my boots, someone who hasn't been raised religously

i wasnt raised religiously either and i too have no faith in any religion or anything at all, if the meaning of faith is "complete trust or confidence in something" as google tells me. im also really incapable of putting myself in your boots, i honestly cannot imagine a universe without god, its like an oxymoron or a paradox. if nothing is holding everything together then why shouldnt everything just do anything? if there is nothing mediating gravity between two entities how should they know to attract? its absurd to think about.

i think your religious indoctrination (which you think you dont have/arent affected by) has caused you to believe god is something that its not which causes you to throw out the idea of god altogether.

>Magnetic force has to do with electrons and atoms

what evidence is there of that?

>>180973
>Things like virtual particles are not observable, and that is when we turn to the math
so do you understand why i say you pulled it out of your ass? the virtual particle first had to exist in the mind of someone before the math came about to "indicate" that it exists.

 No.180976

>>180975
>the virtual particle first had to exist in the mind of someone before the math came about to "indicate" that it exists.
No, you have it completely backwards. The math came about first, and the virtual particle was created in the mind of someone to explain the physical nature of the math.

 No.180982

>>180967
>As someone who really would want to beleive in god arguments like that only cement my perception of religious people as ignorant of the world. I don't understand how religious people stay religous troughout their lives. Do they just block out any information that doesn't fit them?

Like I said previously, religion and in broader sense spirituality is just a meme, always been. A scoundrel always came along in history whether it was Jesus or Muhammad or Mani or Moses, who abused the ignorance of their fellow men, made up some tales and starred themselves as the leading characters in said mythology. All this so that they could satisfy their own material and emotional needs. It is a surviving strategy, actually. By convincing others not to focus on this life you weaken them and they won't be as much competition to you in the future.

I don't care whether people succumb to fascism, anarchy, communism, hedonism, or what but ANYTHING that deals with this world is superior to theology, spirituality and religion. The only acceptable religions are maybe some eastern religions which deny the existence of the supernatural, like some Hindu schools are materialists and hedonists who focus on this life and think that every religion that talks about gods, karma or the supernatural is just bullshit.

>>180975
>i honestly cannot imagine a universe without god, its like an oxymoron or a paradox. if nothing is holding everything together then why shouldnt everything just do anything? if there is nothing mediating gravity between two entities how should they know to attract? its absurd to think about.

The universe/nature doesn't need a superior being to keep it together. Every fact points to the conclusion that everything is material and the existence of hidden or higher powers is unnecessary. We can explain how the world works without gods. Mysticism, occultism, spiritualism wants people to accept subjective mythologies, fairy tales and head-canons without proof. Science only accepts facts for sure with evidence. This will always make science superior to spiritualism. I'm not saying science is 100% correct in everything but it sure as hell gave humanity much more and proved to be more accurate than any spiritualism ever did.

 No.180983

>>180975
>if nothing is holding everything together then why shouldnt everything just do anything? if there is nothing mediating gravity between two entities how should they know to attract? its absurd to think about.
Things don’t “know” to attract they attract based on physics. It’s the same way a lightening bolt doesn’t “know” or decide which point to strike it simply follows physics. With math complicated enough assuming you know every possible variable you could predict exactly where lightening would strike. Of course you couldn’t actually do that in the real world because of the amount of constantly changing variables.
>I can’t imagine the world without god/you have misunderstood what god is
I think I have a fairly good idea of what god is. I have read most main religious texts, I have no delusion religious people beleive in a man sitting on a cloud up there dictating everything. I don’t understand how you can’t place yourself in my boots. I understand that when you’ve been thinking one way for ages it might be hard to try to see things objectively but my situation is common enough that you really should be able to. (I’m not saying I see things completely objectively either, my thoughts are tainted by my life’s experiences). The facts established so far are basically a complete lack of evidence. Things like the precence of electrons can be observed in cathode ray tubes. You can make calculations on chemical reactions with the amounts of electrons and get out an expected amount of a chemical. With gravity you can calculate the gravity by mass and distance and send massive rockets into space. We can build enormous bridges, sky scrapers e.t.c. .
Your personal lack of understanding of science and the scientific method don’t serve as evidence god exists. I have never seen an argument about god that’s isn’t a scientific “we don’t know”. To make the jump from “we don’t know” to “god exists” is as silly as explaining where lightening strikes with god.
I am very open to the possibility he exists and I do beleive I would be better off in life if I believed in something like god. I simply don’t have that feeling in my chest, I don’t feel that connection of love people describe. I can’t lie to myself and say I beleive in god. I’ve attended church, been on bible forums reading about the “true meaning of the Bible”, I’ve looked into Hinduism and come to similar websites, Islam; which only led me to telegram servers.
My “spirituality” doesn’t exist and my mind is stuck believing that this world is godless and cruel.

 No.180986

I was interested for a while but when I went to church for a while I realized I thought it seemed much more likely that everyone who wrote religious texts had nothing to do with god (if he's real)

 No.181001

>>180983
>To make the jump from “we don’t know” to “god exists” is as silly as explaining where lightening strikes with god
when did i say god exists? and even if i did its still a belief like everything else ive claimed so far.

>Things don’t “know” to attract they attract based on physics

and if things have no physical interaction or connection (in the case of gravity) how do they interact? or imagine a situation where there are only 2 particles in the universe, if theyre seperated by a distance why shouldnt they just form different universes? at least for me its intuitive that they cant do that because theres something underlying everything including empty space. then theres the whole other topic of double slit experiment that shows how electrons can be influenced by being perceived.

>I don’t understand how you can’t place yourself in my boots

i do understand the state of mind youre in but when i try to imagine a universe without god it doesnt make any sense. to me asking the question if god exists or not is a bit nonsensical, i think it comes from a place of not really understanding what god is.

>I am very open to the possibility he exists and I do beleive I would be better off in life if I believed in something like god. I simply don’t have that feeling in my chest

i dont have any feeling in my chest yet i believe in god, just the same way you believe in other things with no concrete proof. i dont have any proof or feeling that my brain works yet i believe it does.

 No.181007

>>181001
>if things have no physical interaction or connection (in the case of gravity) how do they interact?
Gravity does have a physical interaction though, it’s a force. As far as we know there is one universe. Your belief that the universe would simply fall apart without god is completely unfounded. We are not completely certain just how gravity works and it’s entirely possible there are forces in this world we don’t understand yet. But just because we don’t understand it doesn’t mean it’s god, may very well be just another force like electricity. To make the jump to god is completely irrational.
Before we knew about electricity we didn’t know why a current was generated in the vinegar stored with metal. Surely you wouldn’t call electricity god? There is no scientific necessity for god to exist for the world to function, it’s simply your worldview that does. The way you view the world and how it functions has involved god for so long that you’ve simply accepted it as truth even though there was never any actual truth behind it. Completely irrationally you just assume the world would disintegrate into different universes without god, TRY to view it from my perspective. You keep saying I don’t understand what god is but to me it doesn’t really matter as long as you define him as impossible to detect, measure or calculate the existence of like you can with gravity, electrons etc. Still would be great if you could explain
>double split experiment
Quantum physics are very interesting and there’s a lot we don’t understand. Yes there is a possibility of god being involved as with everything we don’t completely understand but that’s not a sign he/it exists.

 No.181010

for many people, science and religion are answers to two completely different questions and as such are not in conflict. science is meant to explain how things work and faith is meant to provide a framework for why we should give a shit about our lives.

if someone asked you why the moon revolves around the earth and you say its because of god, you are setting yourself up for failure. if someone asks you why they should give a shit about being alive and you give them a lecture on calculus or quantum physics you're setting yourself up for failure.

faith and (scientific) fact are supposed to be complementary. if you try to supplant one with the other you are missing the point of both.

>>180923
>doesn't understand how magnets prove the existence of god

you poor boy. they just do.

 No.181014

i want yahweh to help me, but he seems to yield no heed to my decades of longing. does that mean i'm forsaken?

 No.181024

>>181007
>Quantum physics are very interesting and there’s a lot we don’t understand
so how long are we going to wait for mainstream materialist science to explain the double slit experiment? a few hundred years or so? would it not make sense to adopt the only consistent model of reality that is left? people have known for thousands of years that mental things determined physical things so in a way that is a hypothesis/calculation made with god in mind.

>Gravity does have a physical interaction though, it’s a force

there is still no interaction between the objects being affected by gravity. things that are lightyears apart can be affected by gravity and if no physical things are connecting those two things then gravity cant be explained materially.

>Your belief that the universe would simply fall apart without god is completely unfounded

your belief that the universe wouldnt simply fall apart without anything holding it together is completely unfounded. do you have any reasons other than "just cause"? fundamentally you cannot come up with an answer to the question "why are things the way they are?", its just a void in your worldview. thats why its so incomprehensible to me, its like trying to imagine waves without water, it just does not compute.

>You keep saying I don’t understand what god is but to me it doesn’t really matter as long as you define him as impossible to detect, measure or calculate the existence of like you can with gravity, electrons etc

your standards for detection are impossible to fulfill since there is nothing outside of god to verify he exists. for example, you can verify your face exists because you can look in a mirror, in the case of god there is no "mirror". same with consciousness, there is nothing outside of your consciousness yet i assume you assume youre still conscious. and the definition of god that i have come to know is that god is the truth. he is all there is (the truth is what is, all events and things in reality are true) and has always been there (2+2 has always been equal to 4, the truth never changes).

 No.181025

>>181024
>it’s another guy who got memes into thinking the double slit proves consciousness affects anything
God I hate pop science.

 No.181054

>>181010
>the middle way guy
No, on this topic there can't be any compromise, sorry. Spirituality and religion need to go, they outlived their usefulness long ago. Also, religion doesn't give any meaning to life, if anything it takes away any meaning from this world and is the source of modern nihilism. People need to search for meaning themselves, not just accept it ready-made by hypocrite priests.

 No.181062

>>181054
It’s the opiate of the masses for a reason. I’m as atheist as it gets but I’ve seen what the filthy normal cattle do when they don’t think sky daddy is watching.

 No.181070

>>181024
>so how long are we going to wait for mainstream materialist science to explain the double slit experiment? a few hundred years or so?
Quantum physics are being studied intensely, so far all previous "unknowns" we have found out have had scientific explanations. Again, your "We dont know therefore god" doesnt really hold up.
>there is still no interaction between the objects being affected by gravity. things that are lightyears apart can be affected by gravity and if no physical things are connecting those two things then gravity cant be explained materially
I already told you there is an interatction between the objects, a force called gravitational force.
>your belief that the universe wouldnt simply fall apart without anything holding it together is completely unfounded
Once again your lack of understanding doesnt mean "GOD!". There are things holding the world together which you would know if you bothered keeping up with science instead of going the lazy route of explaining it with god. Look up the higgs mechanism for one example.
>A void in your worldview
It's not a "void" per say, a lot of the things that used to be thought of as acts of god have been explained later on. Everything from sickness, gravity, the sun, moon, stars e.t.c. . There are things in this world we do know for certain, mathematical truths once they're proven will always be true. They are one of the only things we know are real. Yes there are scientific unknowns. We don't know a lot about quantum physics for one thing but what I am trying to say is that there may be forces at play we don't know about yes, but nothing we could come close to calling god. I could tell you there is an invisible "grabbidigook"-force holding the world together like the higgs mechanism on a larger scale but you wouldnt call that "grabbidigook"-force god would you? I'll say it again, I have yet to find a single argument for the existance of a god that isnt based on a "We don't know". I think if you're going to keep arguing for god's existance you're going to have to be more specific as to what he or it is. All these "unknowns" you've brought up could just as well be explained by an unknown non intelligent scientific force like gravity or electricity or this made up "grabbidigook" force, there really is no need for a "God".
>there is nothing outside of god to verify he exists
That's the whole thing summarized, to be religious you need a degree of faith. There is a reason you see so few religious scientists. The ones that do exist are mostly religous due to faith which was instilled in them most likely from an early age.
>>181054
I really don't have a problem with religious people unless they try to force their shit on me, especially christians I quite like. I've said this before but I think I would have been better off in life beleiving in all these things like a life beyond this one. At the end of the day, what does it matter if I don't beleive in god after thousands of hours of trying to reasearch the topic if the religous man who has never questioned it is 10 times happier than me? Sure you could say its living a lie but it's a bit like Cypher from the matrix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7BuQFUhsRM

 No.181086

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>>181070
>Again, your "We dont know therefore god" doesnt really hold up
thats not what i said, i said your theory is inconsistent with reality and cannot be the case, its not a "we dont know".

>I already told you there is an interatction between the objects, a force called gravitational force.

i really dont know what to tell you if you dont understand how gravity is different from regular physical forces. where is gravity? gravity isnt a physical thing, it interacts with physical things, like magnetic fields, but gravity itself isnt "in" the physical world. in the picture of newtons cradle it shows that force is transferred through physical objects and eventually pushing one ball outward. if the middle balls werent there then no physical force would be transferred. another way of looking at this is if god decided to push a boulder would you call god a physical thing/force?

>I could tell you there is an invisible "grabbidigook"-force holding the world together like the higgs mechanism on a larger scale but you wouldnt call that "grabbidigook"-force god would you?

i would postulate that it is. really all ive been trying to do is get you to realize this "grabidigook" force has to exist, then we can talk about whether or not its intelligent and wants you to not masturbate and shit like that. if you think that something called a "grabidigook" is the basis of all the universe then were pretty much on the same page. if you want to think that the "grabidigook" is dead and unconscious then so be it.

>That's the whole thing summarized, to be religious you need a degree of faith

to think anything about anything you need faith, you have just as much faith as me. there is nothing outside the truth itself to verify whether the truth is true so you have to believe the truth exists. thats the one fundamental belief i have, and i assume you believe in the truth too.

 No.181108

My younger brother is at the phase where he asks about life, and I'm tired of pretending there's a meaning deeper than my parents being reckless.

 No.181149

>>181014
Yes, God has forsaken the entirety of humanity a long time ago.

 No.181150

>>181149
God was never there to help in the first place.

 No.181171

>>181062
Religion never stopped people from doing cruel shit, they just did it in the name of God and the Church. What keeps people in check is the law and the power and forces that stand behind it.

>>181070
Did you actually meet with religious persons? I was raised catholic and all the religious persons I knew were either bitter, awkward or something along those lines, they didn't seem happier than average people to me. Religion is a straight way towards depression, anhedonia and melancholia if you ask me. There is no way that a good and omnipotent God would leave the world be as it is and I'm sure most christians know it too deep down. The materialistic man feels better because he naturally enjoys the pleasures of life while religion explicitly forbids you to enjoy this life too much and says 'wait for the other world'.

 No.181172

>>181171
> What keeps people in check is the law and the power and forces that stand behind it.
Absolutely false. When the law is arbiter of morality everyone knows the rule is just “it’s only illegal if you get caught”. Only by feeling an internal force of morality and guilt will people behave when left to their own devices. And for most people that takes the form of omnipotent and all seeing judgement.

 No.181175

>>177396
What qualifies as experiencing the divine. I remember when I landed a job I wanted after a few months of unemployment and frustration, I went and tapped a wood carving of Christ emphasizing the Sacred Heart motif. It was done I suppose half in jest, sort of like how superstitions baseball players or something may do before their at bat. But right after I did that I felt a rush of some joy that seemed to originate outside of me. I can hardly explain it but it actually forced me into a chair and made me weep. It really did feel like some small portion of divine joy or grace falling onto me. I sat there all a mess for a few minutes. But when I looked up to the TV that was on I saw something I don't think I ever had before. It was a fucking tornado warning for my hometown. And maybe this would have been a regular thing if I was in Oklahoma in the summer but it was an mid October day in fucking New England. This kind of thing hardly EVER happens. I was always interested in weather phenomena as a child and this plus the strangeness of the proceeding 15 minutes told me that I have to drive to this storm to see it. So I got in my car and did exactly that. I drove through the storm that generated the twister, driving through almost horizontal rain in near zero visibility and heavy wind. And when I had made it through this I stopped and parked at a fast food restaurant that I used to frequent with my parents when I was little (I know it's corny but we went there a lot). And when I stepped out of the car there was a double rainbow, and the storm was over…

I've never forgotten that day and I'm on the verge of crying right now remembering it.


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