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What do you do when someone asks you (e.g., your mother), "When are you going to have children, anon?" Have you ever wanted to have kids? Why? Have you ever thought about how fucked up your life would be right now if you had kids? About how fucked up your kids would be?
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We just need to have kids and then school them in anti-natalist beliefs. That'll grow our numbers.


I am glad to see this point discussed. We are equally unaware of what it is like before living as we are of what happens afterwards.

There was a time where a certain quote was making its rounds around public discourse, something like "Theres no reason to fear the afterlife, because it will be just like before birth", and I always hated that. It seems smug and also entirely unjustified, there's no basis for us to assume the two states are equivalent.

Perhaps before birth and after death are not similar at all.

I used to feel that bringing life into the world is immoral, but then I have to wonder the possibility that maybe before birth, we exist in some torturous hellscape and being born is the only way out. In that case, this life is actually salvation.

I dont think it is something that can be known.


I believe in the Buddhist conception of Nirvana in that I think we just live "Life" over and over, a million times if we have to, until we can finally break thru and ascend past the illusion into a state of Nirvana. Whether that is an actual place like Heaven or not I do not have the wisdom to tell you.


lol fuck that my kid won't even know what socialization is. I will train him in the ways of the wizard from birth


i know this post is 5 months old, but i just wanted to say, your offhand remarks REALLY express how i feel about people who willingly breed in 2022

have fun watching your daughter sell her holes so she can buy fentanyl for her and her nigger boyfriend
have fun watching your son become a MtF transexual, and have to attend his gender reveal party, and have your face plastered in the transexual reddit community
have fun watching your daughter be a whore
have fun setting high expectations of your children, and watching them fail every single one of them
have fun realizing that you never loved your children, because your love is conditional, and they didnt meet the conditions

breeders are HONESTLY some of the most selfish egotistical apes in existence. their ego's are so fragile and infantile, that they feel the need to bring in sentient souls who suffer, just to make them happy. its like breeding black slaves into existence, so they can spend their entire life being exploited and beaten, so you can make a bit more money

i did not appreciate being forced into existence and i do not appreciate all the deep suffering i experienced in my life. its not even like we are breeding children into some utopia

BUT STILL. breeders are so proud and egotistical, that they ignore all evidence of the horrors of this world for children, and just satisfy their infantile ego, regardless of how much harm they are causing to children

THIS WILL BE YOUR CHILDREN. i wish i had a video of a proud and arrogant parent talking about how their kids is going to graduate harvard as a doctor, while their kids are having a seizure as a drugged out zombie



>le conservative fear mongering racist rant about niggers raping my non existent daughter and irrelevant transphobia
Go back to fucking /r9k/ groid. I forgot wizchan welcomed /pol/tards with open arms.


>unironic use of 'le x'
holy reddit, batman.


Using "le" ironically isn't any better, especially seeing what irony as a monolith has done to the internet. That said, "Holy X" also falls under shallow new-age template posting material. You can communicate without tired memes and post formats here.
He's a faggot for whining about "racism and transphobia" when the former is a fairly typical slur, and the latter is justified considering how freaky and generally off-putting trannies are; but you're delusional if you think your daughter becoming a druggie whore and your son becoming a tranny is the default. Both of these scenarios are uncommon, they do not happen with over half of the population.
Beyond all the usual wizardly reasons for not having children like purity, eschewing of 3D, and not fitting for reclusive lifestyles — another reason not to have children is the considerable legal, social, economic and financial time investment you need to put into them for at least around two decades. Expecting everyone to want to deal with that when it's often not worth the perceived "payoff" is absurd.


Weird flex from the both of you, but I can see the more general point here. Society is kind of fucked up (to put it lightly), and we have to wonder why the hell people are still having kids.


robots are more expensive to produce than humans, robots require metal which isnt in infinite supply unlike biological organisms


When we will get our Messiah Elliot Rodger the Sequel?


where is this from?


That sucks anon


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Posting and bumping this thread because it appears that anti-natalism posting is the cure to failed normie /r9k/-posters hanging around here.

I'll start off by posting that Benetar-argument-summary from the other thread.


And they are more than welcome, thank you.


The picture is retarded. How is ending your life bad if you measure everything on the pleasure-suffering axis? Yes, suicide usually comes with pain but it can be short and afterwards no suffering at all. It is the right thing to do if you want to lessen suffering in this world.

Not that you should, by the way. And antinatalism is a gay cope around here, by the way x 2. No one in this thread ever had a chance to reproduce. You just want to think you are morally superior for not even being able to "sin", so to speak.


It can cause emotional pain for others long after you've been gone.


>And antinatalism is a gay cope around here, by the way x 2. No one in this thread ever had a chance to reproduce. You just want to think you are morally superior for not even being able to "sin", so to speak.
I actually like anti-natalism just because it gets rid of all of the "muh gf left me"/"why can't I get a gf" /r9k/ threads. Thread quality goes up with anti-natalism. Simple as.


They will be dead in a couple of years too. What's the problem?

Nah, you don't have to be a wiz to be antinat. There are plenty of normals and succs who like antinatalism.

See https://www.reddit.com/r/antinatalism/


>Nah, you don't have to be a wiz to be antinat. There are plenty of normals and succs who like antinatalism.
I can accept this and the previous point without contradiction.


Is that the case for you, are you predicting apocalypse, etc? I'm not quite sure what you mean by a couple years.


How so? You supposedly think antinatalism is so wizardly that it scares off all the crabs. But you don't have any problem with actual succubi and normals being antinatalists. Hmm…

I mean that overall that 30 or 40 years are nothing. So you kill yourself and your parents are depressed. Big deal. They will die soon too. It won't matter. Or even better, maybe your suicide will blackpill them too and make them commit suicide too.

There really is no excuse to keep on living if you think life is inherently evil.


1-There exists wiz and nonwiz antinatalists.
2-Antinatalist imageboards have less "muh gf left me" discussions.
How are the two points contradictory?


You're a retard. I don't give a shit if you're personally le edgy pretentious, self-absorbed sociopath. The point is you were wrong about suicide not creating more suffering.


>But you don't have any problem with actual succubi and normals being antinatalists.
Say I was a black man who brought up abolition because I just wanted to talk to fellow black men, and white men proportionally tended to avoid conversation about abolition (this is not logically identical to "all white men are not abolitionists"). If there were white men who were abolitionists, why would that be a problem?


Because you imply that antinatalism is something wizardly, when it isn't any more than most other ideologies. As I proved to you with that link previously.

Ah but I'm not "le edgy pretentious, self-absorbed sociopath". I'm not wrong at all. Your parents would get over your death most likely in a few months, a year at most. Even if they don't, that is their problem. You got rid of your own suffering, that is what matters more, no? But I know you don't actually want to die. It's cool, you don't have to pretend.

He implied antinatalism scares off crabs, that it is wizardly in some way. But I proved him wrong. Now he denies the relation between the points he made. That is all. There is no relation between antinatalism and being a wizard.


You really like going off on this same tangent every thread you enter, don't you? Even when it makes zero fucking sense. Muh "hurr hurr ur still alive so you don't want to die actually." This isn't the conversation I am having with you right now, fucking ape with a receding frontal lobe. You can clack out all the little retarded jabs you want from your LGBTQP pride rainbow keyboard. The point stands that you made a dumbass statement. You are a sheltered faggot and know nothing of suicide. I've seen it destroy multiple households and I barely talk to anyone anymore. The surviving family weren't the same since then. Your parents raised such a miserable autistic one-track fuckup that I'd actually say you should kill yourself and they deserve to feel bad over it (if they even would).


leftists are so miserable they basically hallucinate theyre beat up and raped at school, theyre beat up and raped going to the movie theater, theyre beat up and raped by cops, theyre beat up and raped by coworkers, and Hitler 2, 3, and 4 are in the senate.
yet theyre still obsessed with having kids here to continue their suffering.

and right wing guys just sit on the computer all day talking about how everything is over and reading literature about how to hate everything even more, and their life has to be conducted in complete secret because you cant even have a convo about normal stuff like Christianity at work anymore because the censorship is so heavy and increasing every day. Everyone around us is demonstrably retarded and addicted to consuming the most horrid carcinogenic shit possible, and most rightists choose to live in isolation and organize exclusively through the computer rather than participate in IRL politics due to the physical distance of other awake human beings.
yet theyre still obsessed with having kids here to watch the niggers take over and get released from prison early with 5 felonies to beat their kids to death.

both just need to stop real bad lol i wish theyd just stop with the kids
the worldview of the leftist is one where white people have been raping and pillaging everything since the dawn of man, theyre even more hopeless than right wing guys.
they have even more reason to support antinatalism but they dont.
"its been fucked for centuries and its been fucked my whole life and im currently suicidal, but im sure my kids will be better off"
at least rightists can masturbate to the 1950's and have delusions that normalfags will somehow unlearn trannies exist and unlearn atheism and return to that.
antinatalism should be a way more mainstream opinion to hold but its not somehow and i dont understand especially at a place like wizchan


>He implied antinatalism scares off crabs, that it is wizardly in some way. But I proved him wrong. Now he denies the relation between the points he made. That is all. There is no relation between antinatalism and being a wizard.
…you proved him wrong?
…he denied the points you made?
…there's NO relation?
…and you didn't even reply to the point I made.
I don't think you're making your side of the argument look very good. I think at this point people are egging you on because you're ruining yourself.
>antinatalism should be a way more mainstream opinion to hold but its not somehow and i dont understand especially at a place like wizchan
I don't get it either. If you read a lot of the messed up childhoods of wizards here, you'd think they'd say, "That's it, this vicious cycle of poor parenting -> fucked up child -> fucked up adult -> poor parenting ->… ends here."


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Forgot my image.


Anti-natalism reduces suffering and so its a good ideology in my book. Pro-natalists are also worst of the worst normal scum who support most anti wizard things they will even support things like bachelor tax just to make life of non married childless people to hell. Anyone who argues against ant-natalism is a secret normal and wish to be a normal with a wife and children


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antinatalism and extinctionism is a species-preserving instinct as nobody arrives at those conclusions unless they first set out to prove to themselves that life was worth living. or that they suffered such that life was too painful to continue, but doesn't that presuppose that life ought to be less painful and more joyful? so what affect does such a drive have across the species? if despair and weariness were as maladaptive as we imagine (and we live our despair with great pathos) it would have been selected against millennia ago

someone like pentti linkola, who wouldn't hesitate to end of lives of billions, is among the greatest lovers of life as those lives are the price for his love of nature. where ideas like his have been implemented before even out of hatred for the world, e.g. by the gnostics, it had the effect of transmuting the life instinct of the species into something more cunning and subtle. maybe that's the process we're going through atm


Anti natalism does not reduce suffering. There was no suffering for it to reduce in the first place.


Antinatalism actually increases suffering since it doesn't actually work towards decreasing total birth rate. All it does is act as a cult of pity and victimhood to further exacerbate depressed peoples' mental illness.


Cute how much you can't stand people with different opinions. But I am right, you know. The family excuse is an ancient excuse around here and veteran wizchan users like me only laugh at this cope. Seriously, when will you get tired of this? After your parents/family is gone then you will come up with another pathetic excuse why you don't kill yourself despite claiming that you desire death. "Oh the weather is bad today! Oh I can't find a rope around my house! Oh I can't get guns where I live! Oh I'm afraid of hell and reincarnation!" Live according to your personal philosophy for once in your life and go through with suicide already instead of whining on obscure image boards about how you supposedly want to die.

It is clear to me that you don't want to die and have things you care about and that you are attached to this world. Don't play the tsundere.
>B-Baka Life-kun! A-as if anyone would like yo-you, hah!
>who e-enjoys living?! certainly not me!! stupid, stupid, stupid Life-kun, waaaah!!
This is you in case you have trouble understanding. Don't be such a sissy and just confess that you don't have any problem with living.

Yes, I proved him wrong. His point was that antinatalism is somehow wizardly. It isn't any more than other ideologies. I proved it. There are plenty of normals who are antinat. Being antinatalist isn't a wizard exclusive ideology. Deal with it. Also, implying you had a say in whether you ended up as a virgin or normal is just delusional level cope. It's not like you had to refuse several succubi who wanted to have children from you. Don't make laugh, please. If anything, I trust normal and succubi antinatalists way more than the so called antinat wizards here. You just want an excuse to turn your defect into a virtue/moral high ground. It's called resentment morality. Read up about it.

Why should our collective aim be to reduce suffering? Because you are tired of life and see it as nothing else but a chore or torture? That's your problem, not mine or other people's. Find a meaning for your life instead of being so bitter and full of malice that you want to prevent humanity from existing in the future. Just because your very own life isn't what you want it to be.


All you idiots want more people to born, experience pain and all the sad things like death of other people around them and finally succumb to death themselves. Anti-natalism will just reduce the number of people who experience those things, how it do not reduce the amount of suffering? More births is just more suffering thats how simple it is.


I don't want to reduce suffering, I said it already. The desire to reduce suffering at all cost for everyone betrays a weak and tired spirit who doesn't know how to enjoy life anymore. If you hate life so much you probably know what you need to do.

Waahh, all people experiencing pain and sad things is sooo bad! So then why are you still among us? Curious.


>So then why are you still among us?
wizzie sus


>Cute how much you can't stand people with different opinions.
No, you fucking legal retard. The problem is that you keep trying to shift the conversation into this random discussion about my personal feelings on suicide and life. The original conversation was predicated on >>192371:
>Yes, suicide usually comes with pain but it can be short and afterwards no suffering at all
I can't say I really give a single shit about whatever other retarded opinions of yours you're randomly trying to pull in. You're so very clearly naive if you haven't seen suicide cause a lot of emotional suffering for people adjacent to the ones who actually succeed at it. If you can't argue the original point, then I'll just have to take that as a concession from you because I'm not going to entertain whatever stupid fucking conversation you're trying to bring up.


>passive agressive tone
>me stronk ugaa booga
Huffing way too much copium is not same as being actually strong, normgroid.


All of your 'moral justifications' of whether it is cool to have or not to have kids are selfish in their core, for morality itself is no more than refined egoism.

The philosophical reasoning of both sides is boiled down to raw determinism and the existence of free will. Most people here would argue that they are exersicing free will having decided to have or not to have kids, but that their life itself is predetermined. They will proclaim afterwards, that their Kantian conscious, being free and unsullied by the impurity of nature, has arrived at what must be the ultimate truth - a wisdom to be repeated times and times again for the sake of enlightenment.

The comedy of the play here is fun, but the reality is plain and bland: no matter what you(or rather what you think to be you) think - all life clings to life. You will pass away and your words will fade into thin air, the air some other people will enjoy. Or hate.

Every action or inaction, including thoughts, is just a cope. This chan is the shinning example of this fact.


>”When are you going to have children, anon?"
No one asks me this. They get that something is wrong with me that precludes it.
>Have you ever wanted to have kids? Why?
I did in the same way that I used to think I would have a normal life. I don’t mind being around kids.
>Have you ever thought about how fucked up your life would be right now if you had kids?
They would probably have been taken by social services either because my house is filthy or some psycho family member making up things to ruin my life. If a child appeared in my house right now I would feel insanely guilty and put a lot of effort into cleaning and being more normal.
>About how fucked up your kids would be?
With how I’ve treated my body, they would probably have been born with that form of very low functioning autism that is basically Down’s syndrome.


I'm not against the idea of producing offspring
Can't say I've ever been opposed to the idea of having children
modern 21st century wizards


lol It is the curse of many wizards to torture themselves it seems to me at this point. They either want to be normals or to be dead yet they can't achieve either of these. Hilarious. Instead of accepting their lot in life and their place in the world.

Chill, wizkid. Just because we disagree you don't have to lose your mind and bark like some rabid doggie. I am trying to help you and many other lost doggie like you here, that's all, nothing more or less. Don't take it so personally. I'd never hurt the delicate souls of the people here, hehe. Just trying to lead you to confess the truth to yourself and to us. Because you live in serious coping.

Like I said, it is a tired cliché to throw around "ohh ahh Im just gonna wait until family dies xd then I will do it" No, you won't ever do it. You don't have to prove anything to us here. If you wanted to die you wouldn't be here to argue with me. Like many people you don't want death, you only hate the bad parts of life. Hey, come back to earth. Stop living in your delusions. The idea of suicide is a cope for you. And how is this random discussion? lol We are talking about existence, life, death, etc here. It isn't something off-topic.

>interpreting everything you disagree with as "passive aggressive" tone
>I'm gonna call you normgroid because I disagree with you
Yeah, another little delicate special snowflake wiz who can't endure anyone with different opinions.

>everything is just a cope
You browsed imageboards too much, son. Get a break.

My personal philosophy is that people are different. Normals should marry and have kids. Wizards should learn to live alone and to enjoy life this way. It is dangerous and stupid to force everyone under a single hat of morals and customs. I don't think I am better than normals, I am just different. Everyone has different strengths and weaknesses, everyone comes with different "skill sets".
I also think it is cool that humanity will exist in the future after I am gone. These anti-natalist kids here are just misanthropes pretending they care about morals and suffering lol They don't, they just want to have revenge on humanity by leading it to extinction. They don't enjoy life so nobody should, that is their reasoning.


so when was the last time you volunteered for special needs hospital or donated supplies to an orphanage? it's all lip service, you never cared and you never will


it's nice living in your head rent free lol


Entropy Will Win in the end


You don’t belong here and you’re probably not a wizard either , considering wizchan is losing population , we could assume some are already killing themselves and If I had some easy method like fentanyl I will also do it. You should just go back to 4chan


I doubt it. You underestimate human instincts. Most people still reproduce. People like us are a minority.

Why can't someone be a wizard and love humanity/life too at the same time? If anything you are the bitter failed normal.
>we could assume some are already killing themselves
Nah, they just normed it up probably or got sent to prison/the loony bin or became homeless.
>If I had some easy method like fentanyl I will also do it
Whatever helps you sleep peacefully at night.


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I'm carving out a hole in your house walls to steal all your cheese and food, get ready motherfucker.

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