crabs are lonely, they lack a strong sense of personal or social identity and they lack self esteem. The far right offers up a sense of identity and community and gives them an enemy to unite against. It tells them they are valuable and superior just because of the color of their skin. It lets them vent their rage and bond with those they can commiserate with. Basically it's a weak cope for weak men who have nothing else. I pity these fools I truly do.
I pity the fools who don't like balls!
The vast majority of crabs are still young and suffer from low self esteem but there are those few truly fucked up individuals who will never get laid. Perhaps related to a physical or mental defect. One time I read a post on a crab forum and it really resonated with me. This guy had such a rough life filled with bigotry from normalfags for not being right in the head. I think he had autism or something related. Don't remember the exact details but he did not have what you would call a "happy" upbringing. So yeah, I can sympathize with crabs a lot but I'm not as obsessed with pussy as they seem to be.
White altrighters (who usually wear glasses, have weird faces and are short) want movies to have tall white guys with handsome faces because the halo effect also imbues them with some of the respect the chad gets.
You can't replace Chris Hemsworth's Thor with some random black or asian guy or the franchise will lose 90% of its viewers.
Not saying only altrighters watch these movies which is obviously false, I'm just telling you why they gatekeep the protagonists.
Though personally I think a movie with an eskimo or zulu Thor would be really fucking stupid, but each to their own.
As an ethnic wizard (from a third world shithole called India) who is ugly, short, fat and balding
I don't pay any attention to top indian actors like Hrithik Roshan because I already know succubi don't equate me to him.
When they see him, they're just interested in him. Not all indians.
Wish altrighters would see that.
The fact this thread is still up just goes to show how rotten to the core this website is.
>>178941>Many wizards seem to get particularly upset about new movies/likewise media products not featuring le epic white chad in them as the main character. Is this really that important?
The demographics of wizardchan are probably mostly white, because most internet users live in the USA and Europe which are also overwhelmingly majority white. All human beings desire to see other human beings that look like them, even reptiles, amphibians and insects do this. Look up classic paintings of Jesus in China and he looks Chinese
It's naturally repellent to a white, mestizo, asian or indian mind to see blacks (who are only 13% of the population in the US, 1% of the population in Canada and Europe) represent a third or more of all characters that appear in the media. In fact these days it seems like blacks are taking the majority of lead roles in film despite being an extreme minority
It's unnatural and repelling when 13% end up as 33%, 50% or even more
This just isn't true and you know it. 95% of the lead characters are still white.
I've noticed an uptick in the amount of posts here that condemn "losers" in general at least in the past two years
Why the male has to be black, why it can't be asian, arab, indian, or hispanic, why it has to necessarily be black?
Don't ask me. I'm just a wizardchan user, not some advertising executive. My image was from the UK too, where blacks are literally less than 1% of the entire population, yet they were in the lead role in every single one of those advertisements
It's freeing to affiliate with the side that opposes "the narrative". Kinda like how everyone is told that Hitler is just a bad guy. Why is he a bad guy? Nazi Germany seemed very functional and pleasing. This is what happens when a society implicity doesn't allow dialectic and ostracizes those who are wondering about what they're told.
Ask the politics thread, they'll know.
If it really is a jewish plot, then why did all the major movies of the 2010s that I watched have a white male lead character? Every time there's a black succubus taking some kind of a sorta important role it instantly becomes a bombshell. Remember that shitty Harry Potter play?
By the way I don't think crabs should care about normie affairs altogether. Leave the men's business to the men.
Yeah usually when someone comes here and starts calling everyone losers it smells like a thinly veiled normalfag
You have to go back, this is a loser site, its in the name.
It's not so much about whiteness, but rather it's one of the few sides not completely dedicated to disempowering men and shitting on them. And I would say the left and "left" attracts plenty of crabs or so-called "loser" men as well, perhaps moreso. The stereotype of the man who cant get laid but wants to, so he degrades himself by becoming male feminist doesn't exist for no reason.
Just look at how the "left" talks about young men. They're not wanted there, nothing you do will ever be good enough for them.
All politics is a cope, but I perfectly understand dumbass crabs swinging hard to the right with fantasies of one day having a trad-wife.
Painting with broad strokes and as someone not very interested in politics
Alt-right figure heads actively target disenfranchised young men.
Usually with outrage stuff or pretending to be the masculine father figure they never had.
Neoliberals are alienating because they focus on minorities and succubi and usually in impotent and silly ways.
And leftists tend to be elitist academic nerds who are more concerned with coming across as intelligent than winning people over.
First point is that for the new generation politics has become their identity and basic emotional map of reality. There are 18 year olds here who have spent their entire conscious existence consuming online political content, and not only that, it's retarded and mindless content. The general conversation internet has become the home for the emotionally unhinged craving content to make them feel OK.
My analysis of why race and such becomes a big factor for losers
1. Losers have an aversion to conflict and crime, a calm western society where they can live quietly in their suburban house is beneficial. NEETs in the basement in a nice neighborhood. Fear of crime is heightened so the politics connecting this to race and so on taps in to those fears, especially content of social unrest and immigration. Violent protests and so on. Status quo kind of thing.
2. The general fear of social collapse is higher for losers so the discussion of how some group is trying to destroy society in to chaos activates them as well. So the narrative of the stuff the Jews are doing to destroy society clicks on a level of social collapse so blacks in their movies makes them angry. More widely there's the the crab stuff about race and rolling back society for their wife desires, since so many posters here are political/crab shitposters.
3. Losers and poor people like always get the psychological benefit of having a group of people to rage about when they get angry, it gives them the emotional benefit. Rage/anger is something that is free for people who are too dysfunctional to do something positive and can easily be transmitted online, the entire internet right now is people building a space to hate on some imagined image of a group to feel better; reddit subreddits have 100k+ people hating on neckbeards/karens/whatever. It doesn't have to be about belonging, it can be personal emotional management too.
3.a. Racism is an inherited reality with a history that people can tap in to any time, especially the concept of power of other races and imagining oneself over them. Historic normans have already done the work of establishing the cultural concept someone else as lower so just raging about them is easy and free, it's easy to go in to discord and rant about blacks.
4. Losers are the people who are being told they have privilege or how their life is easier, while more successful normans from different races/backgrounds actually seem to have easier lives. The modern culture war shit is easy for them to rage against as an attack on them, and making things worse for them. The accusation of it being about maintaining the status quo that benefits them also references point 1.
5. Stuff like rap and hip hop music is hyper-consumerist, hyper-violent, and generally not the environment for meek losers. Seeing it rewarded with huge amounts of money, influence, and dominance ties in with the world moving towards stereotypical Chad violence.
Giving a black or third world wizard a chance offers them nothing compared to the political beliefs, especially since there's a sea of white losers online. Also remember a certain type of loser comes to these spaces, another kind of loser becomes a twitter or tumblr user.
because muh sjws opress losers
Leftists don't even lift
Your truth is not an Absolute one.
I wrote it and share some of the same concerns as a meek loser. I think you're reading it with a certain emotional intention I didn't have. I see the question as one of why people are obsessed with it and integrate it in to their identity, whatever you think is missing is probably because I'm not addressing anything beyond that.
What's true is the lived experience of the people which that narrative was written to undermine.
>>178995>a thinly veiled normalfag
OP and most of this threads reads like a normalgroid pretending.
"Ohhh how it can be the outcast of society are not coming together with the new trending of mainstream thought that the mainstream media, corporations, the corrupt policians, and the most normalgroids of normalgroids are pushing?"
Is not obligatory to worship the things you like, if you like normalgroid things, good. But don't come to other places pushing your thing on others.>>178996
Learn to read before replying.
Contarianism for the sake of contarianism is pretty dumb. And you only ever use the 'but normies do it!' argument when it's convenient anyway. Kinda like normalfags quoting the Bible but never giving a shit about it in their everyday life.
Most normies aren't into necrophilia or homosex. According to your own retarded logic, true wizzies aren't even attracted to succubi.
One thing wizarddom is supposed to teach a real loser is empathy. After being mistreated, bullied and humiliated your whole life, you generally tend to acquire a sense of compassion for those who are like you, the stupid, ugly, etc. Maybe 'niggers' really are worthless and retarded, well, sounds a lot like our spiritual brethen, doesn't it?
>>179043>Maybe 'niggers' really are worthless and retarded, well, sounds a lot like our spiritual brethen, doesn't it?
Niggers are worshipped like gods in the media. I don't see the relation to wizard outcasts at all.
>>179043>Contarianism for the sake of contarianism is pretty dumb. And you only ever use the 'but normies do it!' argument when it's convenient anyway.
Perhaps you could empathize with why that wiz feels alienated from the mainstream discourse instead of demanding they conform to it. The only reason you're invoking contrarianism as a standard is to limit that wizard's ability to counter your narrative, so he's entirely justified in using that as a tool of resistance. It could be argued each of your posts are contrarian to the board's culture and identity, which is why you're encountering opposition from this community with every post.
It's also ironic that you demand empathy and compassion from people while being massively condescending to them.
Maybe because you don't realize that the everyday life of a nigger isn't an episode of MTV's Pimp My Ride?
Rejection of mainstream thought and behaviour is the reason we are here. Because that is why and how you become an outcast in the first place. Thereafter is a given that normalgroid way of thinking will be rejected when encountered. How >>179047
You could have a point if you just were defending something and it was said that the thing is bad because many people knows it, which is indeed a bad way of thinking.
However this is clearly not the case. You're bringing up and trying to defend the talking points of mainstream society and media, who is against anyone who doesn't "conform" to the norm. That is enough for warrant rejection. But just because is fun, let's engange the rest of what you said.
Any of those groups that the mainstream society brags about every day defending them are not outcast. In fact these groups not only enjoy widespread acceptance into society, many of them already have many priviligies and comfort, everyone is telling them all the time they're victims and they deserve better, they get many things that go in the range from psycological support to material one easily handed to them, and their faults are and will be overlooked or minimized a lot of the time, they also get cherished from the top of the top of society, that is megacorps and politicians.
While you will get ostractized just for existing and being you, and not precily now, you got it very early in your life when society noted that you were "abnormal", which is a thing that happens usually when you're in school age. From that moment you learn to surround yourself with those that are like you and share your tastes. These groups you mention in the recent years had also got out of their way to antagonize things outcast like or enjoy, which is also something that contributes to the push back that is going.
IMO chuds/polcucks are the antithesis of wizards. Their situation may coincidentally overlap with wizards (social rejection, normgroid hate, etc) but they are the complete opposite of a wiz
First about they're for the most part crabs, which means they DO want pussy and care about succubi. Their will is submitted to the vagina and therefore they're weak
Second, they want to be part of the groid society, they're obsessed with white chads and stuff like that because they want to be that, probably also linked to pussy glorification like in the previous point. Us wizards either don't care or "follow" a trend on the outside to avoid drawing attention from groids, like if you must work by force and have to wear a suit. We don't care about stuff that, we're forced to do so or do it for any other reason but pussy or society
Third, despite how much this word triggers people, they are actual losers. Why a chud is a loser but a wizard isn't? The chud is playing the game and so a loss counts for him. A wizard doesn't plays, you can't lose when you're not playing to begin with. If you take the word loser personally then maybe you're a crab, not a wiz
And forth, why should a wizard even care seriously about race, politics or shit like that which is society related? Society rejected us. Why should we care about society? Idgaf if a groid gets stabbed on the street. They won't give a fuck about us, why would we do? Altright faggots are obsessed with a society that also hates and rejects them. And before they blame le boogeyman for brainwashing society, well, if groids are so easily brainwashed then there's no order to fight for. It means that the idealized past society they glorify so much was a fragile and fake thing destined to disappear
Alt/righters/polturds/chuds/whatever are genuine losers and below wizards in any way because they are pussy worshiping crabs
the tv is always on at my house with axn on because reasons and every series has white MC and the protagonists are mostly white. even that hawaii 5-0 series have two white men as MC despite everybody else being asian or narive. I don't live in USA btw
>>179053>Us wizards>they are actual losers. >losers and below wizards
Wizchan 2021. You will never be a wizard.
nice use of /pol/ language, jimbo
Sounds like someone has /pol/ living in their head rent free.
There are so many "alt-right" kids these days, most likely they are just acting this way to go against their suburban liberal parents, classic teen angst. There isn't really anything wrong with being upset at blatant pandering to SJW shit but it's really just nothing, you have no influence over what the current liberal status quo is doing.
Based.>>179053>why should a wizard even care seriously about race, politics or shit like that which is society related?
Politics is present on imageboards too, for example, if you're a nigger loving faggot pro LGTAIDS you will allow nigger loving faggots, and degenerates which aren't wizards on Wizchan, as we currently do.
Have a good day.
Inncels are male virgins that are introverted, asocial, nerd, autistic, ugly, outcasts, rejects, misanthropes, victims of bullies, and are hated by females and normalfags.
So it's easier to attack the alt right by saying it's a group composed predominantly of white supremacists, racist, or misogynistic inncels.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/04/30/feminists-were-right-ignoring-online-misogyny-has-deadly-consequences/https://www.vox.com/culture/2016/12/14/13576192/alt-right-sexism-recruitmenthttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-25/crab-alt-right-mens-movement-masculanism-proudboys-milo/10482032https://qz.com/1092037/the-alt-right-is-creating-its-own-dialect-heres-a-complete-guide/https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/alt-right-fueled-toxic-masculinity-vice-versa-ncna989031
It's a type of adhom, guilt by association. That's normalfag reasoning for you, if you argued with a normalfag that knew you're a virgin it's likely he'd just say "no, you're an inncel, what do you know, you've never had sex", "you don't even have friends what do you know", or similar.
Soon you will not be able to call females succubi online because it'd be considered hate speech and wizards will be sent to jail for it lol, they will censor anything that comes as "mysoginistic", so beware of that wizards. Don't call females bad names it causes mass shootings kek.
I agree with you on the first part though I would say wizards can be tcrabs, not everyone can be a stoic volcel larper who ignores his monkey lizard brain urges so easily so I have sympathy for these types, I think it depends on their attitude though and /pol/ kiddies have got it twisted - they acknowledge something is wrong but their attention is placed in the wrong direction, eg da jews, identity politics or falling for dumb right wing tradcon jordan peterson memes. I find your use of the word chud especially poor as it's just another anti male slur that's used against low status groups like wizards, though crab is the same at least here it's used with its actual meaning and not just to discredit an opinion because of being a perceived loser.
I disagree with your last paragraph, I only care about /pol/itical shit in so far as it affects/ruins my hobbies, but unfortunately it has done to a pretty significant extent. Video games have already been tainted by feminist cunts and their male serfs, anime is starting to go down that route - in this respect wizards should care because escapism into hobbies like games/anime often to an obsessive extent is something we enjoy (sometimes the only things we can enjoy). The attack on male spaces and hobbies is a serious threat to outcasts and wizard types. It goes without saying the "go woke go broke" crowd of aforementioned types are idiots who circlejerk about "soywars" then go stream the mandalorian on disney+ in between spewing stoic crap about muh good times create muh weak men and how awful it is their succubi have been so tragically "brainwashed" (when really they're acting on their own freewill), but this doesn't change anything about what I was saying. The degradation and infiltration of "geek" culture by pozzed normaltrons is real and will only get worse as any pushback immediately flags you as an "alt right tcrab chud" who's simply upset because of da black pewple, effectively someone a bit like the op or your average person on the street who only enjoys media at an entry level and who lacks any nuance, who would be one of the first people to say to you "why do you care lol".
So men who hate succubi aka misogynists are killing random succubi in the streets and your response to this is to try and claim victimhood and persecution for not being allowed to say insulting and degrading things to succubi without reproach. This is why people think you're faggots.
I've always wondered why the government doesn't just offer male virgins an option for euthanasia. If society really doesn't like us and would rather see us dead, then what sense does it make to keep us alive? The same concept also applies to any other outcast. The only argument against euthanasia I've read so far seems to be related to fewer worker drones that can be taken advantage of. But this doesn't make sense because a large portion of outcasts don't even have jobs, they just live on the edge of society with the help of neetbux, or they leech off family. Basically their lives are subsidized in some way even though they may never contribute to society in a meaningful way. Even homeless single men with no kids can qualify for disability payments, low cost healthcare and food benefits in the US. It's just something to think about.
it's mostly the lingering influence of Christianity, it will disappear when the Christfags fully die out in the West
>>179086>men who hate succubi aka misogynists are killing random succubi in the streets
This is a good thing
Doing god's work honestly.
>>179086>men who hate succubi aka misogynists are killing random succubi in the streets
literally not happening you schizo freak
/pol/cucks are wannabe normalfags. Anyone who encourages /pol/-like views here should go fuck off. Collectivism is our natural enemy. We are outsiders and loners. Any ideology that is pro-society/collectivism instead of pro-individualism is anti-wizardly. The only wizardly politicial opinion is anarchism. I don't want to belong to any bigger machine, whether it is communist or liberal or fascist society. A world of anarchy where we can form our wiz-communes or just try to survive on our own would be much more to our tastes than this fake, hypocrite society with its meme-ranks, meme-hierarchies, meme-laws and meme-traditions. Civilization and society as we know it was a mistake. It tries to dehumanize us as much as it can. You are born, you get immediately considered as a member of society. Nobody asks you whether you accept society and its laws and its customs, no, you are a member by default! You will be required to spend the years you are most vulnerable mentally in a brainwashing institution (school) where they try to intidimate you and to control you to grow up to be a decent, working citizen who will make more useful slaves by procreating. This is civilized life in a nutshell: be born, go to school, then become a working machine who slaves away for his whole life for nothing and then die. No wonder there are so many depressed people nowadays. We aren't supposed to be working drones. We should look for guidance to our brothers and sisters, the animals: do they work all day? No. They go and get food for themselves and what they need and that's it, they spend the rest of their time playing around and enjoying themselves. Our society is corrupt and is based on rotten grounds, it is made for the benefit of few and the exploitation of the many. /pol/cucks want to preserve a culture and society that isn't worth defending. What did I ever get from society? My family keeps me alive because there is no bux here where I live. Fuck people. This many people can't live together peacefully and justly, the best we can do is gather some people together whom we like and create a community with them. I want a world of warring tribes, sects, parties. A colorful and dynamic world. A free world. Where you only team with others because it is for your own benefit and not for the sake of some shitty normalfag ideal like nation or the working people. A world where the state doesn't take what you have on the excuse of "taxes". (Who the fuck ever benefited from taxes? Certainly not me. The roads are shit-tier, the hospitals are shit-tier also where I live and the state is busy building cultural buildings and sport centers. Fucking ridiculous.)
If you are here on this site then you are probably more of an anarchist than most normals out there who roleplay as anarchists. You most likely reject normalfag authority and values and you are right to do so. We are the type of person who can't co-exist in big society. We don't want to live like others. We are the last remnants of the romantic movement, the passionate ones who don't let reason lead their lives. Normals are the ones who are overly rational and always act deliberately based on what they will gain in the future. It is a misconception to label normals as passionate people since they lack feelings, at least original feelings, passions and ambitions. We are the last sort of irrational people in this overly-rationalized world where everything has to have its place in the grand order of things and everyone has to be a useful citizen in order to be allowed to live. We are the rebels, outlaws, outcasts, outsiders. We are the true troublemakers, not criminals. Criminals are dumb and mostly end up in prison. We on the other hand are intellectuals who want to turn society upside-down and the elite is deathly afraid of us because of this. In a revolution we will be playing the main role, mark my words wizards. We are the errors in the system and we will bring down this whole machine.
And lastly, about race-baiting. I feel more sympathy for a black pimp who never worked a single day in his life than for a white model citizen, mr.normalfag who has a wife and children and is a diligent worker/slave. If I was forced to become a normalfag then I would live like the pimp. Seriously, fuck this traditional bullshit about slaving away your whole life for the sake of God/society/nation/the elite or whatever. Live egoistically, for yourself. Or don't live at all.
I hate everyone, left or right, but give that nowadays being even a centrist is socially unacceptable it's perfectly natural to me that the left is hated so much more in anonymous internet circles.
You sound like a transvestite or fag
Wizard masculinity is an oxymoron.
Since when was being a tranny or masculine a binary choice?
>>179116>You sound like a transvestite or fag
>>179086>So men who hate succubi aka misogynists are killing random succubi in the streets and your response to this is to try and claim victimhood
No, you dumb nigger. Feminist succubi with the help of the media are the ones claiming victimhood to feel more justified in their hatred towards males and male virgins or anyone who deviates from their political views. For example, Elliot Rodger killed more males than succubi, so then why are the killings described as misogynist terrorism?>The International Centre for Counter-Terrorism at the Hague has described the killings as an act of misogynist terrorism
That Alek Minassian retard killed men too, and the reason was unspecified but it's been classified as misogynist terrorism>The attack is characterized as misogynist terrorism because it was motivated by revenge for perceived sexual and social rejection by succubi. Minassian described himself as a crab, though the judge later concluded that Minassian had lied to police about the crab movement being a primary motivation, and was instead mainly seeking notoriety
They're using it to push their feminist agenda and to limit freedom of speech.
>>179114>/pol/cucks are wannabe normalfags. Anyone who encourages /pol/-like views here should go fuck off
I don't think not wanting to live in a third-world country is exclusive to normalfags. And a third-world country is what your country will become if it imports low-IQ people from the third world non-stop. And once it reaches that point, you will no longer have the luxury to whine about normalfags on the internet. I don't think being against such a thing is being pro-collectivism per se.
>>179148>I don't think not wanting to live in a third-world country is exclusive to normalfags.
Not him but you're assuming that anarchism = third world and also that security = civilization. There are third world countries like Uzbekistan where life is infinitely more relaxed than in Japan or Switzerland
you didn't refute shit, just repeated pol garbage like the robots you are
The amount of people who are taking this bait is mind-boggling.
I certainly don't receive most of the benefits that comes with living in a civilized country. And probably you don't, either. The upper classes and the richest people hold most of the resources in civilized societies. As an average joe you need to work like a dog in order to even survive. You are cucking yourself out to politicians, bankers, the "intellectual" elite and so on. You are more likely to die and suffer because of poverty than because of migrants, especially if you post here. But if you like to live this "life", the civilized life, the life of a worker bee then you are free to do it. But don't get in the way of those of us who aren't content with the piece of shit society gives to us. We want to break out and crush a system that doesn't benefit us in many ways while it keeps demanding and demanding stuff from us.
>>179167>You are more likely to die and suffer because of poverty than because of migrants
You are under the delusion that poverty and immigrants are entirely unrelated things. Even if you completely ignore race, what kind of economic status do you think most immigrants possess?
sage because fuck everything about this thread
If we had a eugenics program and all deffective life was extinguished human suffering would be drastically reduced. Dysgenics is the decay responsible for the suffering of soicially outcasted hereditary deffectives. Eugenics would prevent such suffering from coming into conception in future, don't care if I have to die, it just needs to happen.
Good post. The typical modern rightwinger seems to have this strange contradiction in his thinking where he condemns the "low IQ third-worlders" supposedly degrading the very civilisation that he despises, since it generates the evils he laments - cultural corruption, sexual excesses, the domination of all life by oligarchs, low fertility rates, low levels of freedom, wageslavery, high degree of social atomisation, absence of worthwhile community and family life, no higher moral or social values, female enfranchisement, and one can go on.
Maybe there's more to learn from those "low IQ third-worlders" than he thinks. The final product of the white man's "high IQ" is looking increasingly like a horrorshow.
If you came directly from cuckchan at least try to be more subtle about it, /pol/lo
>not wanting poor third worlders flooding your country= genocide an eugenics
Wow, very cool.
I was heavy /pol/ user for years and years but now current events, news, etc. It all just bores me to tears. But to answer OP's question, politics is just glorified sports for outcasts/friendless people. They'd be better off not worrying about the weight of the world and taking it easu
It isn't the fault of migrants the our culture is based on slavery. It wasn't migrants who came up with the idea of working people literally to death. And I most positively don't see migrants holding any significant amount of power or capital of any kind. If they are even accepted into a country then they will most likely end up working shit-tier jobs that most people avoid like plague or get on welfare if they can. They shouldn't be your main enemy and priority. It is the elite who fucks with us and wants to keep us from getting our hands on their property.
This thread is pretty cool, by the way. Finally someone dared to call out /pol/wizards on their shit. Wizardry and the far-right simply exclude each other.>>179173
In my eyes society changed for the better over the centuries, even if slightly. I can't argue that we possess more freedom now than those who lived 100 years before us. But the the game is still rigged and it will be if we don't do something. Ultimately, that is your own that you get for yourself by power, not what is given to you. That is why our "rights" and freedom today is so fragile, these things rest on the goodwill of the elite only. There can come a person any day like Stalin or Hitler who ends up deciding that useless males who don't work should be spent to concentration camps or prisons or to the army. It is very scary if you think about it, that your life depends on some rich fuckers and sociopaths who are ready to sacrifice everyone to further their own gain a little.>>179169>he supports /pol/-like ideologies because he wants to be gassed by normals
Fuck off. You are beyond pathetic. Wizardry is a gift, not a curse. If you can't understand why being an outsider is superior to being a normal then you don't belong here.
Fat gypsy succubi begging outside every single store are annoying.
I'm still waiting for OP or the people defending it to respond to >>179051
in which I recall that the oucast of society has nothing to do with those mainstream sects that already have a lot of approval.
It's amazing how many wizards get sucked into far-right ideology when they're the exact same sort of failures that would be sent to the camps under a fascist regime. Myself included.
Not to mention, how they seem to utterly despise people who actually advocate increased mental health care and social programs (e.g. autismbux) because they also advocate for groups like Black and trans people.
They seriously think that powerless minorities are the threat to their way of life and not the elites sucking the wealth from the working class.
>>179306>It's amazing how many wizards get sucked into far-right ideology
What like all 3 idiots who post recycled /pol/ shit in the political thread?
The vast majority of users on this site doesn't even like discussing political shit and sure as hell not far right.
Why should I worship violent criminals like BLM do or support making children trans just because I live on autismbux?
I highly doubt the left gives a fuck about the mentally ill. They only want to help those who they believe need it, not those who really need it. You know the libs will screw over autists like myself if it means their core base is satisfied.
Whereas the right believes that everyone deserves a chance at life and are more likely to help the poor because that's what God teaches them to do.
Blacks (bantu especially) are overwhelmingly violent monsters. Look up "Bantu expansion". The Bantu spread across Africa and genocided or enslaved every single other group of hominids they encountered, and now here in the western world all they do is commit crime
The media depicting blacks as victims and heroes is a direct inversion of the natural order- which is what the elites are all about. This is also why they're pushies trannies constantly on the world. What greater "fuck you" is there to a creator God, than taking a five year old boy, chopping his genitals off and making him think he's a succubus?
The rulers of the world are overwhelmingly Jewish, and the dominant school of thought among them is Sabbatean-Frankism. Frankist Jews believe the path to enlightenment comes from the direct violation of all societal taboos, violating all forms of morality. Historically they raped and sacrificed children and all sorts of evils, and it continues to this day, such as on Epstein Island
I find left wingers more bearable. They are atleast empathetic and inquisitive while right-wingers go out of their way not to be.
In my experience only anti-woke leftists can be empathetic and they are the minority.
And to be honest, I got bored of seeing "librul esjaydubus bad" everywhere. Just like I got bored of "orange man bad" coming from liberals. I just generally despise NPC groupthink.>>179315
I don't think it's as uncommon as you believe, but then again, I could just not be looking in the right places. I guess if you wanna use twitter to represent leftists, the anti-woke ones are in the minority. But I don't really know how representative twitter is of anything.
"empathy" = pity
woke leftists won't pity you because you're a white male and that is sinful
unwoke leftists can pity you because they pity everyone because pity is the very basis of their philosophy
Asian men are gay for white chad protagonists
compassion is a fine moral value
Nothing moral about it. It is a survival mechanism. If biology is moral, then killing all men and raping all succubi from another tribe is a moral thing to do, which makes morality non-existant.
>>179324>It is a survival mechanism
Only to a limited extent. Compassion for my fellow tribe members will be reflected to me. However moving insects from the path of my lawnmower has no biological purpose or function. Perhaps compassion evolved as a survival mechanism but it has grown beyond mere survival enhancement in a part of humanity>If biology is moral
False premise. Biology =/= Morality
It has the purpose of serving you a dosage of dopamine into your brain. You feel good when you are being 'moral', and feel bad when you are 'immoral'.
Everything is rooted in biology, in this case, it is a way you were conditioned to behave by others.
What's the biological basis of religious, moral celibacy then? The Christian Bible recommends remaining celibate like Christ, and only getting married if one is too weak for celibacy. Buddhism and a number of Hindu sects also teach that celibacy is superior to reproduction. Celibacy isn't pleasant, it doesn't give the brain a dopamine hit like sex would, nor does it further one's DNA in the world, in fact it's a great hindrance that's removed a number of our greatest (Christ, the Buddha, Tesla) from the gene pool
It's to weed out the unfit. Same as the infertile or those who die before reaching breeding age.
This whole reductionist viewpoint does not make much sense, and the fact that the biological justification keeps jumping from survival, to hedonistic pleasure, to now being some kind of mysterious process that weeds out the 'unfit' shows this. Human moralities and ideas are far too varied to be put in a ridiculous box like this. If human ideas, no matter how apparently genuine, are just the result of mysterious ways in which 'biology' is promoting some ultimate end, it's not even clear how whatever you're saying (or what anyone is saying) has any meaning. This kind of thinking just leads to nihilistic nonsense.
It is a simpler and more sensible explanation to see morality as being at least partially genuine and, sure, often interacting with 'biology', but not entirely reducible to any single biological end.
In my shitty latin american country the opposite happens, every single commercial/TV Show or other media features white people even when only like 15% of the population is actually white and not mestizo/brown.
All LATAM countries are like this, very racist against their own people, they worship white people while hiding their brown-ness.
>>179311>Whereas the right believes that everyone deserves a chance at life and are more likely to help the poor because that's what God teaches them to do.
No, the right believes that everyone should work and contribute to society and have children, if you don't do those things you're a burden that should be given absolutely no help (in the best case) or exterminated (in the worst).
I can't really see how an actual wizard would support any rightist ideology, the right is the completely opposite of what wizards stand for, I don't like the tranny/gay left of the US, but certainly is thanks to the left that we have things like NEETbux.
I hate libtards and uphold the Juche idea.
Pity is a natural feeling that most healthy persons feel. I say this as someone who would gladly murder most of the human population, even I feel pity, mostly towards animals. I would happily axe a human being in the head yet I don't think I would be capable of hurting animals that mean no harm to me. Nietzsche hated pity because it leads to melancholy and depression if you indulge in it too much.>>179326
There is no guarantee you will get pity in return, this is the biggest fault in the whole thing. There are countless examples in history that show us how pity and mercy can fuck you up. It really isn't worth it to trust yourself to the goodwill of others.>>179340
Didn't Gautama reproduce before he went full Buddha? Maybe I am mistaken.
I don't know about biological basis (I don't buy the whole we are only biological machines argument anyway) but some religions demand celibacy because they don't want church-property to be inherited by descendants of the members. And because having a wife and kids takes away your time and energy. Being a single man is preferable even nowadays in the eyes of employers.>>179311>>179312>religionfag
Please, stop. Religion is for normalfags. If you want something to satisfy your spiritual needs then be a satanist or occultist. Both the classical pagans and christians are very normalfag-like, the most wizardly parts of these cultures were the Dionysus-cult of antiquity and the witches, wizards, warlocks and other eso and occult heretics in the time of Christianity. Mainstream religion is always oriented towards the masses.>Frankist Jews believe the path to enlightenment comes from the direct violation of all societal taboos, violating all forms of morality. Historically they raped and sacrificed children and all sorts of evils
Good for them. If only it was true, though. I would convert to judaism right away and join the synagogue of Satan.
And God and Jesus suck ass. Jesus may have been a virgin but he was the friend of normals. Satan is the friend and role model of the wizard.
what a fucking pseud phony get off this board edgelord wannabe
"and God and Jesus suck ass." - normie level post, cba to break down how stupid it is to the stupider wizards here, just leave and dont come back
>>179379>And God and Jesus suck ass. Jesus may have been a virgin but he was the friend of normals.
Jesus literally made friends with outcasts and didn't judge them unlike everyone else around them. He was a ray of sunshine for the downtrodden. What are you even going on about?
You’re creating a strawman. The left wants you to have children (“have sex crab”), the left wants you to “contribute to society” and actively seeks to arrest wizzes for being “potential dangers to the community”. The left is OBSESSED with forcing everybody get permission from everyone else around them to do basic things. Then you take things that NORMIES on both the right and the left think (you shouldnt get help, you should be punished, etc) and applying it to only conservatives. Then you’re bringing up “neetbux”, which dont really exist for people other than females, and is a common ploy by the left to get you to go along with them.
You’re all over the place with your strawmanning. Normies on both camps have the same beliefs about wizards. It’s not a political thing like you’re making it out to be. It’s a normie thing.
Edgy as fuck.
You mean the pseudo religion that worships succubi and promotes orgies?
Yeah, very wizardly.
>>179386>You mean the pseudo religion that worships succubi and promotes orgies?
no hes talking about the one that promotes moral relativism, extreme self-preservation, eugenics, and social darwinism. calling it a "pseudo religion" is underplaying the grip that satanism has on society. it has nothing to do with worshiping demons or sacrificing people during sex rituals and if you think that youve been successfully propagandized.
>>179379>Didn't Gautama reproduce before he went full Buddha?
He was married and left behind a wife who later bore his child after he was already gone. The Buddha then became enlightened in the forest and returned many years later. His son became a celibate monk as well>some religions demand celibacy because they don't want church-property to be inherited by descendants of the members
This is true about some modern religious institutions. In Japan at one point in time Buddhism was becoming so powerful that it was threatening the empire, and so the emperor issued a law forbidding celibacy and made all the Buddhist monks in the land get married. This destroyed the strength of the Buddhist institution there because suddenly all of the monks had children and families to pass their wealth on to
>Satan is the friend and role model of the wizard
Are you speaking about Lucifer? Satan is just the English form of a Hebrew word that means "adversary" and there are many satans. Lucifer on the other hand was once "the most beautiful of all angels", aka an absolute turbo-chad and he was cast down from heaven after a war where he attempted to overthrow Yahweh. In the church I was raised in supposedly Lucifer wanted to force goodness onto the universe rather than follow Yahweh's plan of giving mankind free-will. None of this makes any theological sense however
So either you're worshiping a turbochad that got his ass kicked and is suffering in hell now, or you're worshiping some form of malicious spirit that probably views you as a tiger does a antelopeIt's also possible that Lucifer redeemed himself in the eyes of Yahweh and is now restored to his former glory, existing currently as Melek Taus
"Edgy" is literal normtier buzzword. Anything that doesn't sit well with mainstream thinking and morals is called as edgy nowadays, whatever this word even means. This is a convenient way to evade serious discussions without having to actually engage in discussion with the person in question.>pseudo religion that worships succubi and promotes orgies
It promotes doing whatever the fuck you want. Crowley said "Do what thou wilt" - this is the only law. I don't know what you mean about worshipping succubi when catholics do this to a much greater extent and lots of other pagan or hindu religions practice this even today. Satanism is about worshipping yourself and making yourself into a god. Sure a lot more wizardly than accepting some normalfag or pussy like Buddha or Jesus as your saviour or as your spiritual guide. Satanism is the ideal spiritual source for us solitary hermits and loners. All versions of religion are about communities and churches and belonging to the "grand order" of things while the left-hand path is about separating yourself from others as much as you can and deifying your individual self. Social misfits like us don't have any place in the kingdom of God or any kind of heaven. Negative mysticism, in opposition to positive mysticism (like mainstream religions), strives to view things in their individual self and alone. Positive mysticism wants to do away with the concept of self, the I, and blur everyone and everything together under some shady definition of god or god's creation. You really don't see how dangerous this line of thinking is to us, who have always been different from others?
As for succubies, I probably hate them more than anyone here. Yet we can learn lots of things from them. Females by nature are more egoistic, amoral and instinct driven than males generally. Males usually end up getting brainwashed into classical morals and tend to uphold social rules and strict laws. In this respect, succubi deserve more respect because they live true to their desires.>>179382
Except that he doesn't accept no as an answer. You are either his "friend" and follow his shitty rules and laws (which are essentially about being useful to the community) or you go to hell. He is no different from any other tyrant. He demands strict self-denial and that you should suffer in this world - that he created in the first place? - because….because. And no, Jesus didn't actually befriend outcasts. Lepers and the sick he cured were normals too, the actual outcasts he encountered, those possessed by demons, he made them into normalfags by "curing" them.>>179388
This is pretty much right except for eugenics, in my opinion the right-hand side is more about eugenics than satanists have ever been. Nazi Germany, the spiritual successor of classical paganism and medieval christianity was obsessed with eugenics because it wanted to get rid of anyone who was unable to contribute to the community. This is utilitarianism at its finest. Also, ancient Sparta did the same thing. The right-hand path is an elitist circlejerk that wants to get rid of "mistakes" and "monsters", in short everyone who doesn't fit into their ideal version of society. You can see this in the case of monotheism too. It wasn't the pagans of the middle east who massacred countless people because they had different religious ideas, it was the jews who followed the one true god, who is ultimately the demiurge and the creator, the tyrant of tyrants.
I reject every authority, dogmas, laws and morals. Just like I reject all kind of communities. >>179389>lucifer and satan
I'm not a luciferian, simply because I don't like the impliciation that the devil wanted to benefit others and that he was a noble, moral rebel like Prometheus. This interpretation is still based on the ground of morality, it just reverses the roles of God and the devil. No. I am a satanist in the sense the witches and warlocks were under the christian reign in the middle ages. I am a satanist in the sense that I prefer the dark side of paganism compared to the light side that was and still is mainstream. The human sacrifices, the shady underground rituals, the breaking of most taboos and morals and laws - this is what I like when I talk about satanism. Satanism completely captures the essence of rebellion, anarchy. Not wanting to fit into the divine order God made, who at the end of the day is responsible for every shit we suffer through anyway, not accepting the authority of anyone above me, this is satanism to me. I'm a classical satanist, so to speak. I don't like these new interpretations that want to portray the devil as some light-bringing hero, in my eyes he is the original selfish, egoistical warrior who wasn't satisfied with his place in the system. The devil is selfish, cruel, yet he is also free and caused freedom/individuality (sin) to exist in this world. God, the angels or the fatherly, "benevolent" gods of paganism gave the people nothing but laws, burdens and tyrants. The devil, the demons and the ancient pagan gods like the titans or asuras or giants taught individuals how to gain more power and freedom, how to strive for more and more. For me, it is a simple discussion. Do you want a peaceful world where suffering is reduced as much as possible but people are no more than slaves, drones or robots who follow the same uniform morals, ideas? A world where utility is everything, how useful you are to the system measures your worth? I certainly don't. I like Satan's alternative better: a world of freedom, anarchy where you are free to get what you want for yourself if you have the power to get it. A world of individuals, loners and misfits. A world where the lone wolves rule and devour the sheep as they please. A world where I can finally live out my desires, passions and feelings. I'm sick of morals, logic, rational thinking, laws, all this crap. I just want to let myself go, you know? None of this civilized, humanistic bullshit, returning to the instinct driven animals and demons we are. It boils down to: utilitarianism vs social darwinism at the end of the day and I will always pick social darwinism.>you're worshiping some form of malicious spirit that probably views you as a tiger does a antelope
Most definitely but he is at least honest about this, unlike God. God only values you as long as you do his will and represent his values. He wants you to completely deny your feelings and desires, he is much more horrible than the devil. God is a tyrant who gets rid of everyone and everything that thinks differently, anyone who could "disturb social harmony". What crap. The devil on the other hand values power above everything, he gives us the power God denies from us and helps to liberate us. Read the beginning of genesis: God gets pissed whenever the humans strive for greatness and destroys humanity every time they come to rival his might. What a hypocrite.
I thought satanists like trannies and faggots? How the fuck is that eugenic, eugenics would be only allowing 6'2 smart musclemen into your group/to breed, a lot of these "satanists' I see online are pretty shit genetically
I stand corrected >>179379>I would happily axe a human being in the head yet I don't think I would be capable of hurting animals that mean no harm to me.
Fucking tranny, I would happily skin a cow alive than punch a human in the face (unless they personally had done me wrong or are a rapist/serial killer/shooter/etc)
Humans always deserve it, animals don’t.
I think he refers to survival of the fittest as eugenics. But organized eugenics is the thing of classical moralists, those "heroes" and whiteknights who want society to be as strong and stable as possible.
>tranny>I would happily skin a cow alive than punch a human in the face
Give me a break, normo. Get back to reading your precious Bible and obeying the morals of the majority. By the way, your precious human friends would gas you happily any minute if they could get away with it. If you post here you are an outsider. Don't whiteknight for a society that hates you, it makes you very pathetic.
>>179404>Do you want a peaceful world where suffering is reduced as much as possible but people are no more than slaves, drones or robots who follow the same uniform morals, ideas?>I like Satan's alternative better: a world of freedom, anarchy where you are free to get what you want for yourself if you have the power to get it. A world of individuals, loners and misfits. A world where the lone wolves rule and devour the sheep as they please
i couldnt help but burst out laughing reading this, your lack of self-awareness is comedic. your perception of reality is so twisted youve managed to do a 180 but you seem serious about it. the world you described initially is reminds me of hitlers germany, a society where human life means nothing and everyone submits to the collective. if you need any clarification, this society was satanic to the extreme, it is the ultimate master/slave or wolf/sheep dynamic. just because you dont get to be on the top having all the fun doesnt mean its not satanic, youre just experiencing the other end of your own ideology. and your perception of "satans alternative", a world without morals, is exactly what will lead to this extreme domination of the majority of people by the few. notice how i didnt say a world in anarchy, but a world without morals, because a world without morals will ALWAYS 100% of the time lead to people controlling others through the most inhumane systems imaginable. a world with morals will by definition bring anarchy because if you recognize the worth of a human being and understand you do not own other people, YOU WOULDNT CONTROL OTHER PEOPLE. you cannot have anarchy without morals it is an impossibility in the universe. so maybe you just want to ditch the satanism thing and actually start working towards a free world or maybe youll realize that were already in a satanic society and youre just on the bottom.
>>179404>I am a satanist in the sense that I prefer the dark side of paganism compared to the light side that was and still is mainstream. The human sacrifices, the shady underground rituals, the breaking of most taboos and morals and laws - this is what I like when I talk about satanism
You're posting Crowley and speaking about him a lot. That isn't Satanism. Crowley created Thelema. I can see how they'd be mixed up by normalfags, but they're different at the root because he's working with various pagan deities (usually Egyptian) and not the Abrahamic Lucifer
>Not wanting to fit into the divine order God made, who at the end of the day is responsible for every shit we suffer through anyway, not accepting the authority of anyone above me, this is satanism to me
Ultimately there's not a blade of grass that moves without the will of the Lord. The infinite nameless God is responsible for the motion of every single atom in the universe, and responsible for the actions of yourself, myself, Yahweh and Lucifer. To reject the natural order of the universe (dharma) is to reject health, happiness and prosperity
>The devil is selfish, cruel, yet he is also free and caused freedom/individuality (sin) to exist in this world
There's no such thing as free will or individuality. Your current persona is an ephemeral ship of Theseus, as is your body
>The devil, the demons and the ancient pagan gods like the titans or asuras or giants taught individuals how to gain more power and freedom, how to strive for more and more
Desire is infinite. One desire leads to another endlessly. Rather than chase desire endlessly like a mindless animal it makes more sense to extinguish the root of desire directly
>I like Satan's alternative better: a world of freedom, anarchy where you are free to get what you want for yourself if you have the power to get it. A world of individuals, loners and misfits. A world where the lone wolves rule and devour the sheep as they please
That's pretty much exactly what we have right now. There are no laws if you have enough money or you're on the correct team. Laws only apply in the USA to the poor and weak, and this is because the evil men in charge designed the system this way specifically. This guy here hit the nail on the head >>179415
when he said the world is already Satanic- you're just on the bottom
If you were an elite you'd be fucking lolis on Epstein Island with the Clintons. Because they're above the law and these demons created and control the current system
>God only values you as long as you do his will and represent his values. He wants you to completely deny your feelings and desires, he is much more horrible than the devil. God is a tyrant who gets rid of everyone and everything that thinks differently, anyone who could "disturb social harmony". What crap. The devil on the other hand values power above everything, he gives us the power God denies from us and helps to liberate us. Read the beginning of genesis: God gets pissed whenever the humans strive for greatness and destroys humanity every time they come to rival his might. What a hypocrite
You really should just reject Abrahamic, Christian theology entirely. It's not a very accurate system for interpreting the universe until you get really deep into esoteric forms. Better to just use a more accurate system
Religions are maps of territory beyond what the human mind can process, and the limited human mind interprets a small part of the infinite in symbols that it can understand. However the map is not the territory, and the menu is not the food. Ultimately no religion is true, however the more accurate the religion the more precise the map will be, so it's more efficient to simply choose a more accurate religion to follow
The only reason why humans are the way they are is because of how we evolved. Because of predators and poor vegetation humans evolved to be more selfish and evil so in a way you can say the only reason humans are flawed and evil is because of animals. You also forget the fact that animals commit a lot of horrible acts such as rape, torture, war to a certain extent and murder (Our evil nature didnt come from thin air, we got it from our animalistic ancestors), you only focus on the bad humans do due to the fact that you're a human yourself not a dumb animal. So no, animals arent always innocent since while dumb, you could argue they have a sense of morality as it is observed in species such as chimps and dolphins thus a rapist/murdering animal is just as evil as a murderous/rapist human, there is the also the fact that there are people who's suffering is out of their control and havent done anything bad (Aka a whole lot of people; What makes you think every human deserve it, do you think an abused, genetically ill child deserves what they get based on your imaginative scenario? If so you really are sick in the head and prove that you're just a dumb tranny who never knows how the real world works>>179408
Not a christian or religious since any ruler of this world/universe is clearly uncaring and evil (yes even your satan you worship). Also, Survival of the fittest isnt really eugenics since contrary to popular belief it doesnt produce the strongest/fastest/smartest offspring, it only produces species that can reproduce faster before death, sure it can make you stronger or smarter but it can also make a species lazier and hornier two examples are bunnies (They arent that fast compared to other predators, they just reproduce a lot and thus their genes are spread further) and human succubi (they are on average weaker than human males because they were allowed to be lazy in tribes i.e not hunt or do physical work, this left the weaker succubi having as much kids as strong succubi whereas only strong men were able to have the most children due to the majority of men not being allowed to be lazy and not hunt), organised eugenics was only a thing done for less than 50 years and hasnt been revived or will be revived every since, modern society despises eugenics as that would mean the low-castes they hate would no longer exist and thus they would have no one to mock (which they hate)
Also forgot to mention that, even when organised eugenics had been practiced, the ones in control didnt look for good quality such as intelligence or height/strength but rather "pureness" which is mostly retarded and doesnt help with a population
Yes I know a lot of people would betray me, but that's because they have your line of thinking (Animal good, human bad) and are practically satanists with the exception being that they dont know it and pretend to be good practicing christians
Hitler and Nazi Germany wasn't even close to satanism in the sense I use this word. At best paganism, but mostly it was paganism mixed with medieval christianity and the crusader mindset. There is a direct line you can follow through history starting from the big figures of antiquity like Alexander, Caesar and other emperors to the medieval christian kings/emperors and toward Hitler.
Hitler was a counter-revolutionary, someone who wanted to resurrect the apollonian side of western culture. The "sunny" side of paganism, the system of law and order. Nazi Germany is the perfect embodiment of classical pagan/medieval christianity taken to its logical conclusion. Despite what jews and conservatives tell you today he wasn't even near a satanist. The actual "people of the night", those who stood closest to Satan (outlaws, leeches, parasites, whores, beggars, wanderers, etc.) were persecuted with valiant forces under his reign. He was law, cleanliness, order incarnate. He was just another puppet of the demiurge like most authority figures. Honestly, if you were a white working-class man who just wanted to live a peaceful life and didn't mind contributing to the collective then Nazi Germany was the ideal place for you to live.
Because ultimately Hitler wasn't a satanic Übermensch, he represented the normalfag masses, the little people. His value system was extremely cliche and he just stole things all over from history and mixed them together. He was the last representative of classic Western culture, he was a romantic who wanted to protect and resurrect a culture that already didn't exist.
And let's not mention the fact that it was the masses actually who made sure he got to be in power, he was democratically elected. He wasn't a wolf, just a very loud and angry sheep.
I know I am on the bottom, I never argued otherwise. But in contrast to religions which teach you to accept your place in life and bear sufferings calmly, Satan gives us the power and will to struggle and fight for more power. In this system I may be on the bottom but different circumstances benefit different kinds of people. Anarchy would create a power vacuum and instability that could be used to gain more power. But you are wrong that we live in a satanic world: morals and rules are still pushed down our throats, it isn't exactly a god-fearing world either but certainly not the satanic Utopia I envison. Current systems across the world still praise and reward those who contribute to the community while persecuting the selfish, egoistic individuals. But maybe that is the fate of the children of Satan and Dionysus, to fall by the blade of St.Michael at the end and to be cast down into eternal darkness.>>179421
I like some ideas of Crowley but I disagree with his obsession of eastern religions. Also, he was quite an idiot, he didn't realize the potential anarchy had for people like us and was instead interested in national socialism and communism. But people like him are always the first in those systems to die, he was lucky he was just thrown out of Italy by Mussolini. He was an egoistic and selfish individual who wasn't able to operate in conventional society but he never realized this. I like his thirst for adventure and living dangerously, though. He had an interesting life and wasn't afraid of breaking taboos so I respect him for this.
No, I don't believe in determinism and that self isn't a thing. This is why I hate eastern religions. They create weak slaves. They encourage giving up the struggle and fight and accepting your place in the universe, which really isn't that different from other religions. I'm not into this fatalistic line of thinking. And about individuality: how come you are here then if you aren't an individual? Why aren't you out there contributing to society like other people do and doing the things normal people generally do? I will never accept this positive mysticism that tries to blur the line between me and them.
Desire is infinite, indeed but this is a good thing. To desire and to covet is to live. You are lowering your own vitality by subscribing to these self-denying ideologies. You either don't know how to live or you are afraid of living. Desire and suffering make us into individuals, they taste like life and they are life essentially. I'm not afraid of myself or living life.
You confuse the elite abusing its power with satanism. This happens in literally all kinds of systems, even God himself is a vicious sociopath who abuses his power and tortures us day-by-day. The powers and authorities sedate the masses with morals though, even nowadays. If you talk about wanting to kill people or rob people normals will get into an autistic state and yell that you can't do it! because they are slaves. Most people are slave-material and they will always remain so. But those who have it in themselves to rebel and to fight should be allowed a chanche to prove themselves and anarchy would achieve this exactly.
Religions, whether abrahamic or not, provide insight into things. Eastern religions too have their own demiurges and evil gods who mask themselves as the benevolent saviors of mankind while they are the oppressors exactly.
>>179454>No, I don't believe in determinism and that self isn't a thing. This is why I hate eastern religions. They create weak slaves. They encourage giving up the struggle and fight and accepting your place in the universe
Parashurama is a Hindu saint and the first warrior-priest. He submitted himself to the will of God, and his role in life was to take an axe and go butcher every single false kshatriya in the land. His dharma was to literally hack people apart with an axe. True strength and health comes from alignment of one's will with the universal will
>And about individuality: how come you are here then if you aren't an individual? Why aren't you out there contributing to society like other people do and doing the things normal people generally do?
The mindbody is literally a microcosm of the entire universe. By properly aligning my mindbody I am contributing to the world. When one's mind is in order, the universe is in order. Also, there are 24 hours in a day and 7 days in a week. I don't sit on wizardchan 24/7
>Desire is infinite, indeed but this is a good thing. To desire and to covet is to live. You are lowering your own vitality by subscribing to these self-denying ideologies. You either don't know how to live or you are afraid of living. Desire and suffering make us into individuals, they taste like life and they are life essentially. I'm not afraid of myself or living life.
There's a story in the Puranas. The god Indra was cursed for some reason and his spirit was placed inside the body of a pig. At first he hated it, but as time went on he started to enjoy himself and soon enough he was lost in the world of a pig. He ate garbage, was covered in mud, rutting around fucking female pigs in the dirt and garbage, having a great time. Then one day another god saw Indra inside of this pig and the other god slew him with a bolt of lighting. Lord Indra exploded out of the pig's body and immediately realized just how incredibly low and disgusting he had been behaving. He's literally the king of the gods, yet he had lost himself in the lowly form of a pigYou yourself are literally a God. Not the ego you're currently identifying with, but the real you
yet right now you're in the body of a pig and you're eating your own shit and trying to convince me it's fun and tasty. If the clouds of desire would ever part from your mind, you'd behold a glory so intense it would make you drop to your knees with tears streaming from your eyes, and you'd feel an ecstasy so great that you'd instantly understand all these material pleasures really are garbage by comparison
Wisdom is correct judgement- to abandon the false for the real- to release a small treasure in order to attain a greater one. One day all of your possessions, experiences and struggles will turn into ashes in your mouth, and then perhaps you'll finally be able to learn
okay let me walk you through this and tell me if this is accurate. you are a satanist and you dont believe in morals and you want anarchy so that you can subjugate whoever and kill anyone you want, and you also advocate for other people to ditch their morals. now if the world had no rulers/controllers (anarchy), and EVERYONE thought that it was okay to kill and steal and control people by any means necessary just because they feel like it, HOW THE FUCK do you think that anarchy would continue to exist? eventually someone would gain enough power to subjugate lots of people. do you see what im getting at? how its so fucking delusional to think that anarchy could exist without morality? and then you throw the cliche "anarchy creates a power vacuum", nevermind that you dont address why this is, on some level you think anarchy wont last so im assuming you only want anarchy so that you can be the new dominator of everyone around you instead of the government.
if you do think that you want anarchy just so you can be the new unchallenged controller, you will logically and invariably form a government. just you yourself going around stealing and killing isnt a good idea so you would get a group of people. openly stealing from people is a bad idea because then they want to kill you, so you try to hide the fact that youre stealing. for the most part of history the evil people called themselves kings and called the stealing taxation but eventually people saw through this and we ended up with what we have now. the best system to replace this came to be democracy because people believe that they are free and thus never fight the rulers. this chain of events is completely logical and you yourself would go through this process all over again if you wanted to dominate other people (and maybe have some murder and child sex trafficking behind the scenes)
you bring up that hitler was elected democratically and thats true, of course he was, he had to be. a long time ago evil people who wanted to control and rob everyone found out that openly enslaving people was a bad idea and its a lot safer to trick people into slavery, this is how government as we know it was born. i also wont dispute that hitler had an orderly system, but you could have a slave plantation thats orderly, same as a mass genocide program thats orderly, does that change whether it is extremely evil or not?
Where can I learn more about this?
I made a reading list a while ago and posted it here >>>/dep/239849
. These books are all excellent, but even more important than books is genuinely committing yourself to practicing what you read in them. Books are a finger pointing to the moon, but don't get lost looking at the hand pointing
It's amazing how many people like you think minorities are "powerless" after not only an entire year of "powerless minority" riots that were supported by every single mainstream establishment in the world but also receved over 10 billion dollars.
Every political affiliation wants Wizards dead, but you lot are the most retarded of them all because your sense of reality is warped beyond repair and that's more dangerous than anything else.
Animals don't really possess higher intellect and consciousness, dogs literally forget what happened to them 10 minutes ago. Also, they aren't the ones posing the most dangers to you, it is your fellow humans. Animals can be broken, they can be taught and they can be loyal servants/companions while in the case of humans this is much harder to achieve. Humans, especially males, are made to compete, rival and pursue each other. The whole idea of male friendship is ridiculous and just a romantic fantasy. I know others here will disagree with me on this but as a male you can trust children, succubi and animals more than other guys. I'm not saying trust them 100% mind you, only that they are less dangerous than other males for you, especially animals. I didn't say anything about animals being moral or innocent, only that they are more suited for the company of loners than other people. Animals should be respected exactly because they don't follow pretentious morals, they aren't hypocrites, they live true to themselves and their desires. This alone always elevates animals above humans and makes them more noble. And even if you are a moralfag, it wasn't animals who constructed concentration camps and systemitaclly murdered their own species for the sake of shady ideologies and abstract ideals.
Satan is "evil", amoral but he gives us example and power. To always strive for more and to better ourselves. I don't really care about the bettering of our species and all that shit, I just want a world where I can do what I want and the most likely scenario for this is a world where power is everything ala social darwinism.>>179453
Get a clue already. What do you think stands realistically closer to human nature? Animals and demons or angels/gods and the retarded idea of the moral, responsible citizen? Morals only serve to weaken you and to enslave you. You fell for the bait and you are angry at others who didn't.>>179455
Pretentious and condescending, as suits the deniers of life and self.
1. Why align yourself to the will of "god"? Don't you see that you are no different from a christian? You only find other names for the demiurge and other cultural context but it is the same shit whether it is Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva or whoever else is the creator and sustainer of the world. It is still slavery. You don't fight for yourself and don't follow your desires but cuck yourself for the sake of some higher power that shits on you.
2. According to your view, there is no free will and everything is determined by god. So why does it bother you if I rebel against god? It is his will after all, probably he assigned this destiny to me and others like me. So according to you, "sin" and "evil" shouldn't exist either. How can these exist when everything is predetermined?
3. Nice story but cliche and hollow ultimately. Yet another of this "you are living in a cave, come out to the light, be enlightened and shun the material world" crap. This mental illness has plagued humanity for too long. Spirituality pretending to be independent of the material world and superior to boot, yay. I would choose this "filthy" world over any kind of heaven or enlightment any day of the week. Your mysticism is empty, hollow at bottom. Your whole spirituality is built around the faulty idea of contributing to the common good, order and/or the lessening of pain, both are pleb-tier reasons for anything. When your ultimate goal is to lessen pain you always end up with horrible philosophical, religious or spiritual results.
This world is much better than any kind of heaven. If you are too weak to enjoy it then it is your fault. That doesn't take away any value from this world. Life and self-deniers always assume that because their own lives suck that life is inherently evil. The biggest cope ever. I was charmed by this cunning cope too at certain points in my life. And this is my favorite: just because life isn't endless we should shun it. Ha! It is sweet exactly because we don't live forever, this is what gives human life nobility and weight. If we could enjoy this life forever everyone would get bored of it eventually. I don't need afterlife, and certainly not in heaven of any kind.>>179484
I don't really advocate for others to ditch their morals, they are free to do whatever they want. I'd even say the more moral people there are the easier my work is in getting more power. Slaves should stay slaves, however there are certain individuals who deserve freedom yet they naively follow morals. I aim to liberate the select few, the strong ones.
Anarchy is always short-lived and exist for brief periods of time. This is its nature. The nature of law and order is stability, the nature of anarchy and chaos is instability.
Maybe I would form an army and steal, kill, rob this way but I wouldn't form official government. That would be pretentious and distasteful. You say stealing should be done in secret, maybe it is more logical this way but not my style. I would start wars and fight people instead than to pretend to be some benevolent politician. The tool of the demiurge and order is deception and illusion, I on the other hand believe in not sparing people from the truth. I have my own values, you see. I believe a world of constant anarchy, war and bloody conflicts would be preferable to the two-faced mainstream society that sedates people with nice sounding lies.>does that change whether it is extremely evil or not
Evil is a buzzword. Hitler didn't do anything that the gods of most religions wouldn't/won't do on judgement day. Jesus himself wants to throw into fire the biggest part of humanity. "Good" people murder, steal, lie, do all kinds of nasty things but they dress it up like they are different from common criminals. I hate hypocrisy more than anything. If you read the Bible or ancient greek epics the heroes in them really weren't different from their enemies, lots of times even worse morally. This stands for literally all moral, heroic role models society had. Morality and goodness is always two-faced, deceptive and hypocrite at its core.
>>179507>The whole idea of male friendship is ridiculous
Yeah, like the military…
like you, i agree his statement that minorities are powerless is false. however, is assertion that the minority issue is irrelevant in the face of the working class being crushed at the moment IS SPOT ON. people are so distracted with this PC argument they are overlooking how the middle-class is being suffocated and destroyed by big business. lower pay, fewer benefits, longer work hours…
we are species of animal who function in packs. the result is tribalism. racism is one of the most primitive forms of tribalism that has always existed and always will.
the tribalism of wizchan is the wiz vs the normie. you are right when you say white/black doesn't matter in the face of normie/wiz. but imageboard culture has deep connections to racism (/pol/ and others) which bleeds over into places like this.
we are all tribalist in some way. racism is just one of the most unevolved forms it takes.
Not sure what you mean exactly. The military isn't about friendship in the least, it is about strict ranks and hierarchies. It is full of bullying and fights. Males simply aren't cut out for peaceful co-existence.
>>179507>Why align yourself to the will of "god"?
As Nikola Tesla points out, mankind is a small cork floating in the ocean, knocked about and carried by waves infinitely greater than it. One can either accept this truth and relax as the waves carry them, or they can delude themselves into the belief of self-will and experience suffering from this delusion. Truth is always superior to delusion
>Don't you see that you are no different from a christian?
That's fine. Though I don't personally worship Christ I have immense respect for him
>You only find other names for the demiurge and other cultural context but it is the same shit whether it is Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva or whoever else is the creator and sustainer of the world
Demiurge, Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, these are all just symbols for the limited capacity of understanding that the human mind has. All names and words are merely symbols. As the opening verses of the Daodejing state, "the name that can be named is not the Eternal Name"
>It is still slavery. You don't fight for yourself and don't follow your desires but cuck yourself for the sake of some higher power that shits on you.
Slavery to who? This entire infinite universe is an empty cremation ground filled with only one living being- Lord Shiva. You yourself are the highest and only God, and the only living being. In the path to knowledge there are two roads that one can take, jñāna and bhakti. Jñāna is a tough path that involves directly coming to the knowledge that one is God, whereas bhakti is more meandering, and longer, but easier path, and it involves the worship of a personal deity who is ultimately of course one's own self
By projecting all of one's being towards such a symbol they're bypassing the barrier of the subconscious mind
>According to your view, there is no free will and everything is determined by god. So why does it bother you if I rebel against god? It is his will after all, probably he assigned this destiny to me and others like me
You're not rebelling, it's literally impossible. It would be infinitely easier for you to rebel against your bones than to rebel against God
>So according to you, "sin" and "evil" shouldn't exist either. How can these exist when everything is predetermined?
There is ultimate truth and conventional truth. All of reality exists and happens only in full accordance with the will of the Lord, so ultimately good and evil don't exist. However on the conventional level, when I speak of good it's that which leads to awakening, and evil is that which leads away from awakening
>Nice story but cliche and hollow ultimately. Yet another of this "you are living in a cave, come out to the light, be enlightened and shun the material world" crap
Shunning the material world is merely a tool that's useful for some men. In reality there is no external nor internal, all is God- so why shun anything? One of my favorite verses from scripture states that absolutely everything one experiences as separate from God needs to be rejected, and absolutely everything that one feels as God needs to be accepted. So the level of renunciation one needs to practice is entirely dependent on their level of ignorance
A fully ignorant man, distant from the light of God needs to renounce the world, and begin fasting, praying and mediating constantly in order to acquire the knowledge of God. Whereas an enlightened saint could smoke weed and play World of Warcraft while getting a blowjob from a prostitute and experience nothing but the rapture of God-consciousness. Again, it all depends on the level of ones ignorance. The Zen monk Ikkyu used to wear his black monk robes into brothels, because for him even an act such as this was to worship the Buddha
>I would choose this "filthy" world over any kind of heaven or enlightment any day of the week
That's perfectly fine. In my religion it's taught that Lord Shiva asked Maya to bind him. God has willingly chose to incarnate himself into every single living being, to experience absolutely every single level of pleasure and pain that infinity can offer. When an author writes a novel the story needs heroes and villains, pleasure and pain, in order to create a compelling narrative
>Your whole spirituality is built around the faulty idea of contributing to the common good, order and/or the lessening of pain, both are pleb-tier reasons for anything. When your ultimate goal is to lessen pain you always end up with horrible philosophical, religious or spiritual results
I'm not concerned with lessening suffering, I'm just trying to spread knowledge that exists on a level beyond pleasure and pain. Ultimately suffering can often be a good thing, because it leads us away from the temporary world of the senses and to God. I am immensely grateful for the suffering I've experienced in my own life because it's led me to Him
>This world is much better than any kind of heaven. If you are too weak to enjoy it then it is your fault. That doesn't take away any value from this world. Life and self-deniers always assume that because their own lives suck that life is inherently evil. The biggest cope ever. I was charmed by this cunning cope too at certain points in my life. And this is my favorite: just because life isn't endless we should shun it. Ha! It is sweet exactly because we don't live forever, this is what gives human life nobility and weight. If we could enjoy this life forever everyone would get bored of it eventually. I don't need afterlife, and certainly not in heaven of any kind
Heaven is temporary, Hell is temporary, Earth is temporary. All conditioned endeavors are like making castles in the sand. There's nothing wrong with making sandcastles, but it's ultimately fruitless, and it's not even fun if one is overly attached and concerned with the sandcastles. I play video games every once in a while and there are times when I'm attached to winning and losing and when that happens it isn't even fun to play anymore. I play my best when I don't give a damn about winning or losing and I understand it's all just a meaningless game. Relaxed and nonattached
I had a similiar realization about whole universe being one and the same that you are talking bout. It came after getting fucked royally for several years non-stop by OCD, by that mind torment. I just looked at a table in my room and had a weird feeling that it was me who actually made it, I just forgot about that. Same thing happed when I looked at the trees outside or even at myself in the mirror. I've made this creature and it's existence is of my own design. Perhaps it was just a delusion and some sort of a cope, but after that I got into mindfulness meditation and it occured to me that I am not actually myself, all my mind processes, likes and dislikes are autonomous and there is a level of being beyond them,, like watching someone with VR, except for not watching at all, this sensation of 'watching' wasn't an act, it was passive sensation i felt somewhere about the head. Besides, i've been practicing lucid dreaming for a while. The creative power of lucid dreams is astounding. I've been in places that were equally the same with real ones down to a last tree. That experience on its own was glorious, but recently i've tried meditating in my lucid dream. Good fucking god, I simply vanished as a body and only that sensation of 'being' remained, fused with the dream environment. It was a ball of awareness, devoid of everything but existence in itself. Felt no pleasure and no pain, had no body and no limits. It was great.
OCD keeps fucking me though and its hard to keep the balance between the state of terrified animal and that feeling of oneness, but it is either the way things are, or a great delusion, in which i wouldn't mind believing in.
>>179555>I had a similiar realization about whole universe being one and the same that you are talking bout. It came after getting fucked royally for several years non-stop by OCD, by that mind torment. I just looked at a table in my room and had a weird feeling that it was me who actually made it, I just forgot about that. Same thing happed when I looked at the trees outside or even at myself in the mirror. I've made this creature and it's existence is of my own design
The very great Buddhist Master Nan-Huaijin studied tantra in Tibet for a number of years before leaving it behind to practice Zen. In his understanding, the extremely complex rituals of Tibetan tantra existed to overwhelm and eventually collapse the mind- allowing one to see beyond the mind. The same exact thing can happen from any force that overwhelms and collapses the mind, such as stress or maybe the OCD you're speaking about. It's entirely possible OCD wore your mind out, like water dripping on a wooden floor, until eventually the water collapses a section and drips through
>recently i've tried meditating in my lucid dream. Good fucking god, I simply vanished as a body and only that sensation of 'being' remained, fused with the dream environment. It was a ball of awareness, devoid of everything but existence in itself. Felt no pleasure and no pain, had no body and no limits. It was great
That's really awesome. I think it was Swami Lakshamjoo who pointed out that as one moves to more subtle levels of consciousness, practice becomes more and more effective. If I recall correctly he said that 1 minute of meditation in a dream equals 100 minutes in the physical world. One cool thing Dzogchen Buddhist monks do is they sleep sitting upright in a meditation box and practice what they call "dream yoga" where they enter lucid dreams and meditate while asleep
You can also meditate in the hypnagogic state between waking and dreaming, which is supposed to be highly effective as well. I had really bad sleep paralysis as a kid and I've entered this state a million times, but I haven't gotten around to trying meditation in it just yet
Very interesting. I never really studied or practiced eastern teachings beyond some basic stuff. I think having OCD is terrible but it is a great learning tool. Having a constant sensation of doom, of the worst thing out of all things possible to happen to you with 100% certainty, forces you to think outside the normal way, as you said. It is unbearable to live without being mindful of myself, it is literally hell to be normal when you have this problem.
>1 minute of meditation in a dream equals 100 minutes
It is also harder to do, as you have less control. First time it was an accident and it worked, second, when I tried to recreate that experience I couldn't do it. Seems to me that intention is very important. Wu Wei and such, the more you want something the less likely you will get it. It happened recently, around ten days or so, should try doing that in the future again. But man, does it feel great.
In that lucid dream I was walking in my room, observing the dream ambience, looking for something interesting. And at some point I closed my 'eyes' and repeated the common meditation practise - slowed down, tried to feel my body as it is, but kept walking. Since I couldn't see anything, I somehow stumbled and instead of tripping and falling over I rolled out of my body entirely. Remember thinking 'this is going to hurt', but it didn't, there was nothing to feel the pain. Felt like being lost in a zero gravity space, confusing, but it stabilized and the 'being' could be felt.
It gives a certain hope that these things that could be observed are actually what this reality is. It would make so much more sense that this animalistic, atomized western point of view. However, I still doubt it (or OCD makes me doubt it), that things can be that glorious. I mean, from standart point of view life is shit. You are thrown into this material realm for no reason, you walk this earth, eat shit and suffer, unknown entity, a grain of sand, insignificant, useless ant bound to suffer forever. And yet another view is that life is an infinite greatness, it is everywhere, even in the ugliness and filth of daily life. No judgement of some distant egomaniac 'creator', no 'thou shall', no right, wrong, heaven, hell, just being what we really are to the fullest.
Those are just ramblings of the mind though, mind is nothing and should not be used for this stuff - this is path to nowhere.
>>179570>And yet another view is that life is an infinite greatness, it is everywhere, even in the ugliness and filth of daily life. No judgement of some distant egomaniac 'creator', no 'thou shall', no right, wrong, heaven, hell, just being what we really are to the fullest
You might enjoy listening to the teachings of Ramana Maharshi. Everything he speaks strikes me as the distilled essence of Advaita Vedanta. Liberation, God, is the natural state and his teachings are all about the obliteration of the mind, allowing one to rest in the natural state
Ramana Maharshi became enlightened after a near-death experience at a very young age, after which he went into a local temple and sat down in the basement to meditate. At some point in the future temple visitors found him in the basement, still in meditation with ants eating his legs. They cleaned him up and nursed him back to health. He's an example of someone who stared so brightly into the sun of knowledge that he went blind (to the world). Pure jñāna strikes me as scary and perhaps a bit boring, which are some of the reasons I prefer bhakti
My favorite teacher says that one must follow the path of the sun or the path of the moon. The sun (jñāna) causes one to go blind, whereas the moon (bhakti) causes one to go madhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunatic
>Those are just ramblings of the mind though, mind is nothing and should not be used for this stuff - this is path to nowhere
Mind is a tool, and until one gains a great degree of mastery it's usually our most vicious enemy, which is why so many teachers and students simply try to destroy it. However others will attain such a degree of mastery they can create new minds and egos to use at will, switching between them like a man changes clothes. The Tibetans for example make tulpas to understand the means by which their own ego was artificially created
>>179507>I'd even say the more moral people there are the easier my work is in getting more power>you are wrong that we live in a satanic world: morals and rules are still pushed down our throats
as you can see, you think exactly like the rulers of the world
>I believe a world of constant anarchy, war and bloody conflicts would be preferable to the two-faced mainstream society
how many times do i have to explain it, if you are trying to establish dominion over others, its not fucking anarchy. ill say it again, anarchy means the absence of rulers, coming from the words "an" (absence) and "archon" (ruler). anarchy does not mean chaos, it does not mean everyone killing each other, and it definitely does not mean an army openly subjugating everyone. all the word has ever meant is the absence of rulers, nothing more and nothing less.
yet again you still hold the belief that anarchy will always be short lived, completely disregarding my explanations of the nature of anarchy. i can guess that you think human nature is destroying everything and killing everyone in sight, so let me put it this way. IF humans could live completely morally, not trying to dominate anyone, anarchy would be the result. if humans are incapable of living morally for whatever reason, by nature or by ignorance of morality, people will immorally try to control others and government will invariably be the result, whether you install it or someone else.
satan is just an idiot who gains the wrath of God because of simply not wanting to bow down before the first man, as far the tales tell us.
Not even done with that, he strives to exert influence at us so we may get sharing his won stupidity in several, unknown ways.
>do not care about bettering about species
Yet you claim to care about power, while you despise the natural source of it and the warding of it, since degeneracy is a constant. Stay away.
>Why to align yourself to God?
Mostly because, if texts are true, there's not much choice after His threat. Quite hard and harder given the temper tantrums of the God and the fact of satan himself turning religion into something even tougher (until the point of death being preferable) is his resentful quest.
If the texts are true, that power "shits" on us already whatever we do. And here comes the viced ones to speak to us about freedom while lying trapped by mundane desires.
>this world is much better than any kind of heaven
Since when have you known what heaven means? anyway, you can keep this utter misery of a world for you if so you wish. Pity about whoever accepts such comparison.
>If you are too weak to enjoy it then it is your fault.
>I don't really advocate for others to ditch their morals, they are free to do whatever they want. I'd even say the more moral people there are the easier my work is in getting more power. Slaves should stay slaves, however there are certain individuals who deserve freedom yet they naively follow morals. I am to liberate the select few, the strong ones.
At least you are not lying at us while being a shoe up to our asses.
>Evil is a buzzword. Hitler didn't do anything that the gods of most religions wouldn't/won't do on judgement day. Jesus himself wants to throw into fire the biggest part of humanity.
like satan does not want us all in it.
>"Good" people murder, steal, lie, do all kinds of nasty things but they dress it up like they are different from common criminals. I hate hypocrisy more than anything.
May be. Sorry i we get too doubtful about you after saying "slaves should stay slaves"
>If you read the Bible or ancient greek epics the heroes in them really weren't different from their enemies, lots of times even worse morally. This stands for literally all moral, heroic role models society had.
Whatever, we are not apologists.
Sounds like the philosophical/religious equivalent of anti-psychotics, as in making you a braindead zombie. You managed to embrace an ideology that is nihilism dressed up as something, zero pretending to be more than it is.
Well, answer me these: what is the point of doing anything by your worldview? Why not just rot in bed? Why do you wake up in the morning? How is it possible to be ignorant and why ignorance exists at all if God is so present everywhere? All is predetermined, so some people were fated to be ignorant? Why? Why doesn't God show himself to us directly, you know what I mean, appearing as he is in himself instead through others if he wants to lead us to wisdom? Why is there a fake self in the first place in us? What exactly brings closer to God?
You just switched the word sin/evil for ignorance. Don't you see the fault in this line of thinking? And if you can worship God by fasting and by getting blowjobs too it begets the question why ignorance is bad, why can't you worship God through ignorance too? So yeah. It seems like a system of thought where you can't "lose". No matter what you do, you can only do it because God wants you to do it and no matter what you do, you can't separate yourself from God. You can't lose, there is no wrong way to live your life. Life doesn't have any weight and neither do your actions and decisions. In this thinking, life turns into a B-rate comedy. You can't fail. This is the ultimate sedation, maybe that is why you like it. You get rid of thinking, feeling, desiring, attachment of any kind because you are afraid of failure of any kind. You say you don't dislike suffering yet this thought-system is based entirely on making the adherent live a comfy life. It is like drilling a piece of metal into your skull and making yourself into a vegetable, really. Why do you bother living if you aren't attached to it or don't want to be attached to it? Actual death seems preferable compared to living like this.
Everything is temporary but that doesn't take away value from things. The now is the important. You try to deconstruct life and everything associated with this world. According to our knowledge, intelligent life doesn't exist anywhere in the galaxy, at least near to us. This makes Earth special and humans very special. Our decisions and thoughts and feelings matter. Don't let the apathy wash over you. Don't take the easy way out. Building sand castles and getting attached to building them is human life. Attachments make life worth living. If you don't give a damn about anything, if you are happy in your own delusional world then there is no point in doing anything. I would rather be stressed, depressed, anxious, full of fear and anger and other negative emotions from time to time and experience true, actual joy, happiness, pleasure than live this hollow life you preach about.>>179574
If you don't see how what I represent is different from the rulers of society then there is no point in discussing things further with you. A band of robbers going around fighting and robbing isn't government by any means. I don't have any interest in controlling every last detail of people's lives, like most leaders and elites of society have. I want to fulfill my desires only, I am not a control freak. I don't care whether you fuck dogs or lolis or slash your neighbor to pieces in your spare time, I would just rob from you money and that is all. My version of anarchy is realistic, yours is an idealized fanfiction. But I guess you already know this. Your biggest mistake is that you assume not having rulers = peace. If there are no rulers people naturally resort to more violent means to achieve what they want, anarchy is about the common guy having a right to violence. And again, fighting/killing/robbing others is no government. I don't want to lead every single person and society, I prefer wars and instability, it would be more fun that way.>>179616
Stupid arguments. We have power to fight back and to defy God and his servants. You can give up and be a good slave, I don't care. However, there are people like me who won't cease struggling.
Heh, you talk about mundane desires, you wouldn't know what freedom is even if it appeared right in front of you. You are your desires, whether you acknowledge this or not. You are always led by desires, even if you pretend you are some enlightened Buddha, just different desires than most have. This world is all we have for granted, only a fool would shun it running after promised fairy tales and wonderlands.
There is nothing uglier than a weak, ignorant servant pretending to be strong, wise and free. Know your place. You don't have anything to be proud of and you don't respect yourself. Religion suits idiots like you.
>>179629>Sounds like the philosophical/religious equivalent of anti-psychotics, as in making you a braindead zombie
When one is empty of self, God is all that remains. When one is empty, the mindbody interacts with the world and every single interaction is completely, utterly pure, unconditioned and ecstatic. "Even a pinprick becomes ecstasy" and all action becomes effortless
>Well, answer me these: what is the point of doing anything by your worldview? Why not just rot in bed? Why do you wake up in the morning?
In Zen they have a saying, "Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water". I'm not enlightened, but even if I was, the body is conditioned to operate in society, eat food, sleep, shit and so on. How could I not move and interact with the world, why wouldn't I?
>How is it possible to be ignorant and why ignorance exists at all if God is so present everywhere?
God creates both ignorance and knowledge. They're both His to give. He veils Himself with Himself. One of my favorite scriptures states that the very first thing God ever created was ignorance, and this makes perfect sense when rationally analyzed because absolutely any motion "away" from the singularity of perfect knowledge that is God is to create ignorance
>All is predetermined, so some people were fated to be ignorant? Why?
I've already addressed this question. All is lila, the divine game of God. If an author of a book wants to create a good story, he needs good and evil, pleasure and pain. He needs heroes and villains, and generic background characters that clean the toilets. However ultimately at the end of the day all of these characters don't really exist and are only the author
>Why doesn't God show himself to us directly, you know what I mean, appearing as he is in himself instead through others if he wants to lead us to wisdom?
He can and does show Himself directly. Sometimes in humble forms, sometimes in forms so great they shine with the magnificence of 10,000 suns and the barest glimpse makes one cry and feel as though they're going to melt
>Why is there a fake self in the first place in us?
The fake self is one of the biggest means by which God binds Himself, because He wants to be bound. If you ever play video games you're binding your own self into a far lesser form, temporarily for fun
>What exactly brings closer to God?
Knowledge is the one and only thing that brings one to God, and it arises only by grace
>You just switched the word sin/evil for ignorance. Don't you see the fault in this line of thinking?
They're one and the same thing. Only an ignorant person commits evil. An enlightened person would follow all of the laws of true morality naturally
>And if you can worship God by fasting and by getting blowjobs too it begets the question why ignorance is bad, why can't you worship God through ignorance too?
The question here is one of knowledge and ignorance. Do you really know it in your bones that this act, whatever it is, is worship? This knowledge is what makes the act holy or not. The Aghora are a sect I greatly respect and they seek to break every single moral precept in Hindu society. They get drunk, eat dead human bodies, cover themselves in ashes and have sex with corpses, seeking to find God in any and all states of mind and being, because God is omnipresent and not hidden away in only certain places like some teach with their words or actions
>No matter what you do, you can only do it because God wants you to do it and no matter what you do, you can't separate yourself from God
>You can't lose, there is no wrong way to live your life
One can seek knowledge or revel in ignorance. We all eventually return to Him, after a short period of time, or after many eons, so the only real way to "lose" is to stay in bondage for a long time
>Life doesn't have any weight and neither do your actions and decisions. In this thinking, life turns into a B-rate comedy. You can't fail. This is the ultimate sedation, maybe that is why you like it. You get rid of thinking, feeling, desiring, attachment of any kind because you are afraid of failure of any kind. You say you don't dislike suffering yet this thought-system is based entirely on making the adherent live a comfy life. It is like drilling a piece of metal into your skull and making yourself into a vegetable, really. Why do you bother living if you aren't attached to it or don't want to be attached to it? Actual death seems preferable compared to living like this
See the first thing I typed because it addresses all of this. I'm sure a heroin addict would say life seems pointless without heroin
>Don't let the apathy wash over you. Don't take the easy way out. Building sand castles and getting attached to building them is human life. Attachments make life worth living. If you don't give a damn about anything, if you are happy in your own delusional world then there is no point in doing anything. I would rather be stressed, depressed, anxious, full of fear and anger and other negative emotions from time to time and experience true, actual joy, happiness, pleasure than live this hollow life you preach about
You've never experienced the other side. All you've ever known is the world through the confinement of the ego. Until the ego is conquered it's like a parasite dominating one's entire life, a fat tapeworm stealing all of the nutrition while the body wastes away. When the ego is dead one beholds only God and infinite beauty. By clinging to life you deny it yourself. The samurai Miyamoto Musashi comments in his favorite book that those who enter battle seeking to live end up dying, but those who enter a battle seeking death end up living. He's seen it time and time again that those who are hesitant and bashful in the battleground are killed, and the samurai who charge in seeking death are the same guys standing there with him when it's all over. He would walk around after the battle is over and look at the bodies of young men laying around and he'd often see a young man dead, chopped to pieces, with one sword in his hand and his second sword (wakazashi) still in its sheath. They were afraid and didn't give it all they had, and so they died
"A brave man dies only once, while a coward dies a thousand times before his end". You cling to life, and this attachment makes one live as though already dead. We see this with covid. Millions are scared of a common cold and so they hide away and wear masks when in public. The very elderly will inject themselves with experimental drugs, craving another six months of life so they can continue to watch reruns on TV in their wheelchairs. They fear death so much that they're already dead. Nonattachment is the path to true life, both for the mundane man and the spiritual aspirant
Meant to say "he comments in his famous book" in the last paragraph. Most typos don't matter but this throws it off a bit
>I'd even say the more moral people there are the easier my work is in getting more power. Slaves should stay slaves, however there are certain individuals who deserve freedom yet they naively follow morals. I aim to liberate the select few, the strong ones.>Maybe I would form an army and steal, kill, rob this way>Stupid arguments. We have power to fight back and to defy God and his servants. You can give up and be a good slave, I don't care. However, there are people like me who won't cease struggling.
I don't think you have slaves, nor an army, nor friends, nor followers, nor have you 'liberated' anyone, nor do you possess any strengths worth notice. A wounded ego hiding behind self-aggrandizing delusions of the "freedom" of being kind of an asshole (which you cannot even act on, because of aforementioned lack of power and connections), posturing on a backwater corner of the internet. God pities you and Satan is laughing at you.
>>179629>Your biggest mistake is that you assume not having rulers = peace
im just about ready to blow my fucking brains out. it really looks like youre being willfully ignorant about this so im going to repeat it for a fourth time, pay attention, this is the most important part of what im saying.
it is an IMPOSSIBILITY for there to be anarchy in a society where people do not know morality, becuase without morality, people will inevitably control each other. in a society that knows morality, anarchy will naturally develop, because it is immoral to control other people.
even if you arent the one to form a government, you have an inferior method of extortion and you will be conquered by a government, or overthrown by the people youre extorting. you would be disposed of relatively quickly while people go back to being happily enslaved by a government. you are delusional if you think people wouldnt fight against an openly shitty ruler so that they could have a secretly shitty ruler. its not even possible for you to attain the prerequisite conditions for your delusion. there is no way that people would willingly give up the safety they think the government provides just so they could have "fun".
You are a liar, simply because if you were free from attachment and desires you wouldn't even reply to my posts. We do everything because of desire and attachment. If you really were free of desires or could control yourself as much as you imagine yourself to then you would be fine meditating yourself to death like some buddhist monks did or the guy you mentioned some posts up who sat down and let bugs eat his legs. Non-desire, non-attachment and peace would mean you don't have to do anything at all since you are always content in every situations of life. Your example of the samurai also shows you don't understand what attachment, desires or embracing life are. What you refer to as clinging to life is empty, rational survivalism which indeed makes life into a boring process. That's not what I want. A man should follow his desires even if they lead him and others to literal hell. Desires and attachments are the salt of life, they give it meaning. The stoic soldiers you speak about who fought without passions…such delusion! They weren't attached to their lives but they were very much attached to their desires. Desires of glory, desires of killing the enemy, desires of defending your people, etc. If they were completely without desire and attachments they wouldn't have gone out to do battle in the first place. Embracing life doesn't mean you should cling to it always. You can embrace life and yet even commit suicide if the circumstances demand, much like the pagans of the antique world. They lived life to the fullest, embracing themselves and their desires yet they realized if things became really shit that is better to kill yourself.
God creates both knowledge and ignorance even though he clearly demands and prefers knowledge. Yeah, fuck off. You can't answer why there are forces that oppose your omnipotent god anymore than christians can explain why there is evil and suffering when god supposedly doesn't like either. You can't solve the problem of evil/suffering/ignorance, the only things you say are superficial arguments at best. That is because any thought system that is based around a single, omnipotent god is just bullshit. This universe is made up of opposing forces, factions and parties that compete with each other and try to overpower the other. The universe is one big arena where conflict and chaos is inherent. You can delude yourself that it is all god's masterplan or whatever but that won't make it true. You know it too. Your arguments about games and stories don't hold any value, life isn't a game or a story. You can't explain why anything that is contrary to the nature of your god can exist.
He shows himself? When? Never seen him appearing in front of me, certainly. If he wants to spread knowledge he should get up from his lazy ass and do it in person. That is, if he isn't afraid of his creations and if he isn't mute, heh.
What is true morality, then? Finally, you admit it yourself that your religion is nothing more than shilling slave morals ultimately, just like other religions. The Aghora you mention sound like my kind of people, although their logic is obviously false. Can you recommend some texts or books related to them?
I don't believe you can get rid of your ego entirely OR even that we should strive to do it. You only want to get rid of it ultimately because your religion is still based on slave morals. Slave morals aim to minimalize suffering of any kind at whatever the cost is. You want to get rid of ego, desires, passions, feelings, thoughts, anything that separates person from person. All this just so you can in the end eliminate all kind of conflicts and competitions and unite all of humanity into a single collective. Just horrible. Normalfaggotry at its best.>>179674
All those things you mentioned can be achieved easily, especially in a society that is in chaos. Most people are drooling retards and cowards like you, they follow anyone who shows the signs of talent and power. I have my own strengths and weaknesses, like most people. Unlike you, I know myself and know my worth. Often the only thing that separates master from slave is the fact that the master knows his own worth while the slave doesn't. Someone who isn't even sure of his own talents and abilities, someone who doesn't respect himself, like you, is grade A slave material. Hopefully you will find a kind master who will overlook your stupidity and weakness, I certainly wouldn't. Just because some succubi in high school laughed at you you shouldn't consider yourself utter trash, just a kind advice in the end. Virginity and being friendless only equal with failure in the mind of normalfags.
Oh, and whether we get the desired object or not is secondary. The desire itself is the most important thing. But I guess a little man like you could never comprehend this.>>179688
Shut up you whiny succubus, take a hint already. If you have to repeat an argument four times it is likely your debate partner ignores it because it is simply false. Repeating it won't make it true, that's not how it works.
I will say this to you, pay attention: morals were developed always for the masses, NOT for everybody. They were created exactly for the purpose of enslaving most of the population because the slave who obeys because of his own will is the best. There was never any intention of morals getting accepted by everyone, the elite always practice moral relativism. Morals were made exactly for suckers like you, to feel good about yourself for being a weak slave. You can jerk off to how virtous and law-obeying and good you are but you are only a sheep.
Who talked about stability and long-lasting reign? You really don't understand anything I say. If I was killed, fine. At least I fought for myself and was proven weak, that is all. Better to live true to your desires for a short time than to live a long life in slavery. Anarchy and chaos gives everyone an equal chance to prove themselves, if you fail it is your own fault, because you are weak. Besides, this was always a what-if scenario, I would be pretty surprised if I ended up as king of the world myself. I know my talents but I'm not delusional in the slightest. I would rather live 1 minute in a chaotic world where I can do what I want and live according to my passions then live 70 years of slavery in normal society.
People like you are pathetic, ridiculous, laughable. You hide behind morality because you aren't good for anything, you don't have any worth on your own. You are only a stupid coward like most of the population. You deserve to get dominated by exceptional and superior persons like me. Ever wonder why it is usually the moralfags getting envious whenever they see an egoistic, amoral person and not the other way around? Hmm…wonder why. Maybe because you would like to be powerful too but you lack the balls to achieve it. You aren't a better person, only a weaker person who resorts to hypocrisy as his last shield.
When you will be busy refilling shelves in your local supermarket or flipping burgers at your local fast-food joint 10 years from now, when your parents die or when the government gets tired of giving money to you, then think about me. Maybe you will get some fugly succubus to be your wife and have some children and you will be able to jerk off under the blankets "well, I'm at least a good person". I'm sure it will make you extremely happy knowing that you adhere to normalfag morals at the end of the day. Me? No, thanks. Mediocre life isn't for me. I have gigantic passions and dreams and I refuse to be satisfied with shit. Maybe my ambition will bring me to my own ruin but so what? Failure can be beautiful too. Shame our culture is built around Hollywood movies and most people don't have any respect for big failures anymore. Life is a tragedy and failure would suit me just fine. The journey is more important anyway than the destination.
>>179794>You are a liar, simply because if you were free from attachment and desires you wouldn't even reply to my posts. We do everything because of desire and attachment
I try very hard not to lie. In the Mahavairocana Tantra they list a bunch of very important rules a spiritual aspirant should always live by, such as not killing, not stealing, not lying, etc. and on the very next pages it's listed that there are situations in which it's completely fine to break the rules. It's fine to kill in order to save lives for example, however there is one single rule it's never okay to break- lying. Under no circumstances whatsoever is one permitted to lie. It's highly damaging to one's psyche telling lies, it twists a person's mind beyond all recognition and removes them far from the Path. On the spiritual path to the absolute, perfect honesty is required, mostly for one's own health
1. I've already clearly stated that I'm not enlightened
2. I never claimed to be without desire, only that I have been without it at times past
Your reading comprehension has been subpar for your past two responses and I'm having to repeat things to you that I've already very clearly stated. The absolute Self is without desire. God doesn't desire things, He wills things and they happen. The closer one gets to this state, the less desire one has. However even if one is fully enmeshed in God-consciousness the false self and the mindbody will always desire things. One can destroy the ego, stomp it out like an unruly fire, but if one doesn't extinguish the coals as well the fire will be reborn in a matter of hours or days. The ego in itself isn't evil, it's just wild, hungry and dangerous when not under control of the true Self. The mindbody needs an ego to operate in the world, but an enlightened man can wear it and change it just like he does his clothes
>If you really were free of desires or could control yourself as much as you imagine yourself to then you would be fine meditating yourself to death like some buddhist monks did or the guy you mentioned some posts up who sat down and let bugs eat his legs
Yes, Ramana Maharshi is an example of a man who lives without desire, because he managed to fully extinguish the ego and all of his bodily desires as well. I've already stated why I prefer the other path and don't pursue this
>The stoic soldiers you speak about who fought without passions…such delusion! They weren't attached to their lives but they were very much attached to their desires. Desires of glory, desires of killing the enemy, desires of defending your people, etc. If they were completely without desire and attachments they wouldn't have gone out to do battle in the first place
I didn't claim they fought without passion or desire, my only claim was they fought without attachment to life
>God creates both knowledge and ignorance even though he clearly demands and prefers knowledge
Does He? There are far more bound, passionate and ignorant people in the world right now. As I've already stated, Lord Shiva asked Maya to bind him
>You can't answer why there are forces that oppose your omnipotent god anymore than christians can explain why there is evil and suffering when god supposedly doesn't like either
We're going in circles. There are no forces that oppose God
>You can't solve the problem of evil/suffering/ignorance
I've already addressed this multiple times
>This universe is made up of opposing forces, factions and parties that compete with each other and try to overpower the other. The universe is one big arena where conflict and chaos is inherent. You can delude yourself that it is all god's masterplan or whatever but that won't make it true. You know it too. Your arguments about games and stories don't hold any value, life isn't a game or a story. You can't explain why anything that is contrary to the nature of your god can exist
Nothing that is contrary to the nature of God exists. God is by definition infinite, and as I've already stated this creates an infinitude of experiences that we as limited beings perceive as good and evil. Even the most soy of atheist-materialists accept nonduality, at least in their words, when they speak of the big bang and all of the entire universe emerging from a single point of condensed energy
>He shows himself? When? Never seen him appearing in front of me, certainly
Why would He? You're lucky I'm typing all this shit out to you when your reading comprehension is so poor and you keep ignoring, forgetting and strawmanning the things I say. The infinite master of the universe wouldn't appear before a bound and blasphemous worm when called, and I doubt you've ever tried. Many people try and to get the smallest glimpse it can take several lifetimes of hard work. As one man said, you can't force mystical experiences to happen, but you can create the correct conditions for them to happen. "If you want to get hit by God's truck, you have to go out and play on God's highway"
>The Aghora you mention sound like my kind of people, although their logic is obviously false. Can you recommend some texts or books related to them?
Their logic seems pretty flawless to me, unlike most theistic religions. To quote wikipedia "Aghoris base their beliefs on two principles common to broader Shaiva beliefs: that Shiva is perfect (having omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence) and that Shiva is responsible for everything that occurs: all conditions, causes and effects. Consequently, everything that exists must be perfect and to deny the perfection of anything would be to deny the sacredness of all life in its full manifestation, as well as to deny the Supreme Being." The Aghora series by Robert Svoboda is an excellent trilogy of books on them
>I don't believe you can get rid of your ego entirely OR even that we should strive to do it
That's fair, not everyone wants to get rid of it. As I said before, killing the ego is the easy path, whereas using the ego as a tool is harder. My favorite teacher, Swami Vimalananda is one of the kind that uses the ego. He himself is free of its bondage, but he also has the strength to reach down and pick it up like a hammer and then use it to build what he wills
>You want to get rid of ego, desires, passions, feelings, thoughts, anything that separates person from person. All this just so you can in the end eliminate all kind of conflicts and competitions and unite all of humanity into a single collective. Just horrible. Normalfaggotry at its best.
Ultimately all of this reality is just One and all differences are illusory, however as I've said, the differences exist basically for the purpose of entertainment. In a video game, your character and all other characters, the entire world even, exist in the code. They're all just code in the one enclosed system, and all the differences are merely illusions that exist for the benefit of the enjoyment of the player. The physical universe on the other hand moves in cycles. There was a time when you and I both existed in perfect enlightenment, and there was no caste nor government, because all people behaved in perfect accordance with Rita. However at the moment we're nearing the end of the current (mini)cycle and the world is in the darkness of the Kali Yuga
This is where our conversation ends. We're going in circles on a lot of details. Feel free to get in your last words, I know you will. Today I pack my computer up and I'm going off grid into the forest. It's a goal I've been working on for years now and it's finally coming to fruition. I'll swing by this website from time to time on my phone, but phoneposting isn't suitable for debate. God bless you
I consider myself a left-winger, but I'm pro-free speech and I hold many views that would be considered "alt-right". For instance, I value history and heritage, and I think it's generally a good thing to be proud of who you are and to identify with the history, accomplishments, art, etc. of your ethnic background. I don't think it has to be inherently hateful or that all right-wingers think they're superior to other races. I support moderate nationalism and I have a deep interest in my genealogy/population genetics, cultural and philosophical history, mythology, folk music, etc. It doesn't have anything to do with viewing myself as superior because of my race. Actually, I have Jewish, European, and Asian ancestry. I don't really view any of those groups as "superior" to the others, but I do recognize them as being culturally, historically, and genetically distinct groups of people, and I think that both their differences and similarities are extremely interesting, and I appreciate the culture that all three of these groups have produced. Again, that has nothing to do with superiority or inferiority. I listen to a lot of different music genres, and I like them all. Of course, there are some artists or genres that I listen to more frequently than others, but that doesn't mean that I think one genre is "superior" to the other, just like I don't think that one culture or race is "superior". There are different racial groups, different cultures, different music genres, etc. and we praise them or honor them or identify with them, without at the same time implying that other genres, cultures, etc. are "inferior".
i was going to write a huge flame back at you but i realised it would take way too much effort and would accomplish literally nothing. basically youre probably ESL and thats why you cant understand what im saying. at the end of a day youre a coward that talks shit and wont do anything. if you really wanted to fight then you would just go do it but we both know youre just gonna stay in the slave class forever.
because he invaded eastern europe
t. est euro
>>179167>you are cucking yourself out to politicians, bankers, the "intellectual" elite and so on
who do you think promotes and benefits from immigration aka larger labour supply
exactly the elites you seem to hate so much
Alt-right offers crabs a community that accepts them as one of their own and supports them, a sense of belonging, something they have never had before.
>>180514>If you care about black people migrating to your country or about the economy you are a normalfaggot.
This is very true I can get interested if it comes to exploring ideas on a conceptual level discussing with myself what the best most ideal form of government would be but at the end of the day I do not care why care. People who care about the white race and passing on white genes peak normalfags
Fascism is when you don't like shitty movies and video games.
Fascism is when you don't have sex.
Fascism is when you're not black.
Are you forgetting that italy was fascist?
Mussolini was literally Trump so they ain't black.
Italians are White
Nobody said that. You're making points against an argument that was never made. This is why I say politics are fucking retarded.
The whole concept of ideologies is something I despise. The idea that you have the entire world figured out is extremely stupid.
Sage for going on a tangent.
The thing is if you replaced/swapped the words "white" to "black" or another race in many "far right" screeds, often it would be seen as perfectly fine or even laudable. You can go on air and shit talk whites all you want and no one will bat an eyelid. Another example, if you talk about being proud of being white on the TV you'll be kicked off very quickly, but it's not a problem at all if you're not white. Even if you're not a 'disadvantaged minority' on the global scale e.g. Chinese Americans.
Why should one be proud about something they have no control over?
I sort of agree, but it seen that whites are supposed to be very individualistic and often are. That's another thing- You can talk with pride about black, asian accomplishments etc but if you talk about European accomplishments, it's seen that you should never take credit just because you are the same "race" as them. But you often are supposed to share at least part of the blame for any wrong doings in the past. Many far right or nazi talk if swapped around would not be seen as a problem e.g. kinds of white nationalism.
Another example is that famous basketball player who rage tweeted a picture of that police officer who intervened when a young black succubus was trying stab another succubus. He put out the cop's picture with "you're next" on it mainly acting on the irresponsible media's hysteria. There was no real reaction or consequence other than yeah he was wrong but you can understand how he was upset. You can imagine if a high profile white celeb reacted publically with racial tones if a white person was killed by a black person.
If you’re not supposed to take credit for the accomplishments of your race then you shouldn’t be held accountable for the wrongdoings of your race.
Nobody sane thinks every white is responsible for holocaust, slavery and racism. There are extremists on both sides but here is a surprise for you: most leftists don't want black or minority superiority, they truly just want equality. Racism, hating succubi, hating people who aren't average hetero joes is a very common thing nowadways still. And let's not get into anti-semitism.
POC need equitable treatment to have equality with whites. Equality and meritocracy are part of the system of whiteness that only further disempowers brown bodies. Educate yourself.
>I feel far more connected to a loser
The Axis lost WW2 so I feel connected.
>>180929>Nobody sane thinks every White is responsible for holocaust, slavery and racism
There is a lot of insane people in the world today
The immigration to my country (Sweden) is very harmful. The negative consequences for me a relatively mild but I still think it's bad if the normalfags get robbed or assaulted and of course it's better to be a wizard in a rich and we'll functioning country than a shithole. Sweden is still good now but so much worse than if the immigration never happened and it will eventually turn into a shithole if our politicians are never stopped.
The "anti-racists" (pretty much the entire left and much of the right) want all white peoples to give up their countries and share the control and everything else with other peoples.
They want to spread hatred towards whites, usually with lies or twisted information. They want everyone to believe that all problems were caused by whites and that whites are evil, boring and stupid.
Equality and meritocracy are opposites to each other, first of all. And don't pretend that people looking down on succubi, minority races or gays is a non-existent thing, please. White males are objectively priviliged even nowadays.>>180942
Paranoia and conspiracy theories only. You misinterpret equality for giving up your country. Making sure everyone gets treated equally in a country won't make blacks, migrants or whoever rule your country.
Same for spreading "hatred" towards whites. Acknowledging the sins of previous members of the white race or your culture isn't an attack against you personally. Slavery and racism were actual things, racism still is.
The only ones who hate whites as a group are racists themselves or extreme zionists. True leftists don't hate any ethnicity or race.
I’m not sure if you’re just naive or an ideologist, but like the other wiz pointed out, seldom will anyone who claims to be a leftist hold the views you express.
>>180994> White males are objectively priviliged even nowadays.
Whites yes, males no. Among young people in the west white females are the most privileged, for example in education, income and social integration.
Making immigrants equal to natives is giving up your country. You don't own something if you can't exclude others from it.
Glownigger I"m going to fucking kill you
You don't even own your country the rich and powerful of your country own it
Yes that's the problem.
Why should they be treated equally in Sweden? There's no good reason for letting millions of people from the middle East and Africa come here and vote for their own interests.
And when media or the "anti-racist" movement spread lies or twist information which gets people to hate whites, that's not "acknowledging the sins" of other whites.
Maybe there is no left in Sweden but I'd argue that if the entire left (maybe with a few people being exceptions), this is what left means now.
Trying to get equality for different peoples living in the same country will never work, people naturally see themselves as groups and the only way for the different peoples to get along is to have separate countries.
>>179053>And forth, why should a wizard even care seriously about race, politics or shit like that which is society related?
I'd rather live in a country that safe and rich than in a shithole.
>>179043>One thing wizarddom is supposed to teach a real loser is empathy.
Maybe that's why I'm against harmful politics like immigration of peoples that can never assimilate.
There's like 1 or 2 crab killers like Elliot Rodger and now they're acting like there's an epidemic of this.
And I'm pretty sure they'd count wizards into these dangerous crab extremists too that are hiding under their beds too.
Now I'm just waiting for the "it's no wonder you guys can't get laid"
Maybe don't spend all your time on tumblr or /pol/ and you will actually encounter sane persons.>>180998
Females are still looked down, mocked and ridiculed by lots of males in the West. Most males just put them in the category of "tool for sexual satisfaction and cooking my meals" instantly. Any priviledge they seem to hold is exactly because of the white-knight right-wing mentality, men still think they need to take care of succubi and enforce this mindset. In an equal society white-knighting would cease because men would know that succubi are capable of taking care of themselves and others on their own.>>181005
Sharing what you have with others isn't giving it up. And like the other poster said, you don't own your country in right-wing systems, the rich would own it or the ruling party. It is much better if everyone owns it equally than to give it up entirely to the upper class, wouldn't you say?
I consider a migrant closer to me than rich people of my own country. I am a poor fellow trying to survive and enjoy life, how is that different from the situation of migrants?>>181033
There is no good reason either for giving money to those who just leech off from society, like we do. Yet I'm sure we are all in support of some kind of bux or social benefits. Rich people of your country have plenty of capital, the least they can do is lift a finger and give some to those people who actually need it.
The key thing about migration is Islam, Islam should be banned (along with other religions, too) for good already and islamists should be dealt with the strictest penalties.
The mainstream "left" we have nowadays in the West is nothing but neo-liberal capitalism masking itself as leftism. It focuses on 2nd rate matters while lets the middle and upper class exterminate or permanently enslave the lower classes. The problem of races is just a distraction used by both mainstream left and right, the actual fight is between the classes.>>181034
You are right, people see themselves as groups which is actually a correct thing to do, if they view things as class vs class instead of race vs race or nation vs nation. You and the rich people of your country differ greatly so would you say rich people should be separated entirely from poor people?
Disagreed. Islamists are the only people with enough balls to decapitate and kill capitalists in the west who hoard 90% of all resources.
Without them there is no real counter-force. Western men are too feminized.
Permitting this immigration is what makes it so easy to distract the poor with things like racism.
All of the far-left (communists and other leftists who are left of anything mainstream) in Sweden fight for this immigration too.
In Sweden Islam has caused problems but it doesn't seem to be any better when it's christian Africans.
Regarding welfare and such benefits, that's the swedes deciding to give themselves a safety net so there's a reason for it.
If we wanted to help those in other parts of the world who has it worse, this immigration is a terrible way to do it. It's very expensive for just helping a very small portion of the ones who could use help.
Islam is counter-revolutionary, like all religions. Radical Islam and muslims are the equivalent of /pol/fags, they have radical muslims instead of radical nationalists or racists over there.
>Western men are too feminized
It has never been about feminization as much as about deluding people. It used to be religions in the past, now it is racism and nationalism. Anything to prevent men from realizing who their real enemy is, namely politicians of all sorts, bankers, businessmen, factory-owners, priests, etc.
Anyway, muslims are worse than capitalists. I'd say they are the biggest threat to a world revolution right now. The cancer of Islam and religions needs to go, whatever the cost.
Migration is much better than what the meme-right proposes when they say we should help 3rd worlders in their own country. They left those countries for a reason, most notably because of corruption and poverty that follows it. Most of the money you give to these countries get stolen by the oligarchs of the country.
So letting in migrants to a reasonable extent is the superior solution. This and shutting down Islam for good.>Permitting this immigration is what makes it so easy to distract the poor with things like racism
So if migrants lived far away then those people wouldn't be racists? This is stupid. Someone is either racist or not. Not to mention, if there weren't migrants in your country then the same movements who focus on migrants would focus on the unemployed people and NEETs in your country simply. Those who hate on migrants hate them because mostly they don't contribute to society. Hating migrants is almost the same therefore as hating NEETs generally.
In my country we have no migrants but we have a proto-fascist government that always shits on NEETs and poor people generally. It always says how good it is that we keep the migrants out and stupid people eat this up, they don't realize migrants don't even want to come here because our country is a backwards 2nd world country. So when anyone tries to tell me how good it is for NEETs and wizards to have right-wing policies and government I tell them to go fuck themselves. These people, right-wing politicians I mean, always find the weakest group and blame them for everything. If it is not migrants then it will be you, trust me. You don't want to entrust your life and well-being to these scum.
>>181058>It used to be religions in the past, now it is racism and nationalism
You can't be serious with this crap. I don't know about your country, but in mine racism and nationalism are heavily suppressed by the state.
>>181066>nationalism is suppressed by the state
God what a fucking age we live in.
>>181063>In my country we have no migrants
Shut Up then since you don't understand what you're talking about.
Foreigners/migrants in general are low class people from shitty countries (why else would they be migrating), so it makes sense that anyone, even wizards, would be weary of them. Skin color and physical features just happens to usually denote the general place from which you've come, so it's not too hard to get the idea in your head that "X colored people are bad". Also making sweeping generalizations like this is easy, especially when media constantly wants to tap into the primitive tribal receptors of your amygdala. People want to belong to a group and with the increasingly integrated world it's getting harder and harder to have your own group of people. The internet mainly has really upset the balance of things, in any other age there would be almost no way for an average person in America to communicate with someone from the UK for example.
>>181063>So letting in migrants to a reasonable extent is the superior solution. This and shutting down Islam for good.
Only right wing parties want this so everything you said about what the right would do if we didn't have this immigration would apply to your suggestion too.
Most people are still racists or fall for the nationalist propaganda spread by the wealthy upper class. The official leaders of your country can be neolibs but doesn't change the fact that racism and nationalism are extremely mainstream opinions even in the currently neolib capitalist world.>>181068
I understand very well what I am talking about. Migrants aren't your enemies, they are the losers of this world just like you or me. The actual enemy is the one who wields all the capital and power, rich people, politicians, the upper-middle class and the majority of the middle class, the working people who loyally serve the interests of these worms. The poor masses and the lumpenproletariat are constantly oppressed by these devils.>>181071
I'm not a right winger and I want this. The difference between me and right wingers is that I don't want to buttfuck the lower classes for the benefit of the middle and upper classes, like they always do. Religions are harmful and tools of tyranny. Islam happens to be the shittiest religion, that's all. Just because I share one thing in common with the right doesn't mean that I would support the rest of their ideas.
all of society is effectively the enemy of wizards, we are outcasts and no friends or allies
That is why a gentle, tolerant and equality-focused society would be ideal for us. We are the losers of life so we should build a society that helps losers, like anarchism. Free housing and free stuff for everyone, especially the poor. We still belong to classes, and I think lots of people here are poor or will be once their parents are dead. Equality is something worth fighting for if you are a wizard, for your own interest. We can only gain from the redistribution of wealth and property, we barely have anything to lose.
>>181075>Most people are still racists
Yeah, why is that?
>rich people are the enemy
Bad vs good narratives always sell. Capitalism is merely the acceleration of natural physical processes, ie the maximization of the efficient dissipation of entropy - the most work which can be accomplished per unit time. Once entropy has reached its highest point, the world will be redeemed. We should be encouraging this rat race competition to accelerate so it can all be over faster.
Some people just never grow out of thinking life can be modeled by narratives…
>>181058> Anyway, muslims are worse than capitalists. I'd say they are the biggest threat to a world revolution right now. The cancer of Islam and religions needs to go, whatever the cost.
It's funny that you say things like religion are just there to divide people and that it's really about class but then it turns out those "2nd rate issues" (in your case feminism) are what's the most important to you, like for all radical leftists. Everyone but leftists themselves have caught up to that.
Guess who else really hates Muslims? The reactionaries you mold yourself in opposition to.
People are racists because they are dumb and need some coping mechanism. "I'm a poor white guy who is forced to work a shitty job for all his life in order to survive but whew, at least I'm not a nigger!" Racism is a drug of the masses like religion used to be. It is the typical mentality of "I'm a loser but hey, I can bully those who are even more of a loser than me", instead of fighting your actual enemies and tyrants. Oh but that actually requires courage and critical thinking, hmm.. It is easier to just join the exploitation machine that is called society and to try to please your tyrants.
No, capitalism won't end ever if we don't stop it. The rich will always want to be richer. Society needs a radical change, we have to resort to drastic measures.>>181094
Feminism is good if it isn't this mixed insanity that we have in this neolib world: succubi are allowed to work and full rights yet men still want to spoil them and treat them as sex objects. succubi are either equal or not. I for my part think they don't need society's or men's support as much as right-wingers imagine.
But I never said feminism is the most important at all, on the contrary I've been going on about wealth redistribution and the upper classes for quite a while.
Religions are cancer, anyone can see it who isn't some two digit IQ retard. Their purpose has always been to support the state in oppressing the lower classes and justify the hierarchy.>Guess who else really hates Muslims? The reactionaries you mold yourself in opposition to.
Nice but muslims are reactionaries too, just a different kind. Sure, they are worse than modern christians but I will never support the right just because we agree on one thing. It would be like choosing to die by hanging rather than via electric chair. All oppressors need to go to labor camps, prisons or face the wall and get the bullet.
I also don't agree with most of the right wing. I just want ethnonationalism.
Then we both want something that can only be found in the right wing right now but either of the things we want could be taken by the left instead.
I think that the working class would be much more successful in uniting and demanding what they want if we had ethnonationalism and made their demands in the domestic market, at least initially.
>>181096>All oppressors need to go to labor camps, prisons or face the wall and get the bullet.
So you fantasize about genociding muslims. I just want Them to mind their own business in their own countries.
>actual feminists on this website
Here is a video explaining why autists are attracted to the right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T1f2sFrMKw
Being a wizard isn't inherently political. There are wizards on both the right and the left. Trannies are the left wing crabs. They seem to try to give themselves a "No Ackhsually" pass by saying that they're succubi but that's obviously not true.
i hate this fucking thread every time i see it, i really do. You have to be a real blind idiot to not see that extremist ideologies (both left and right) attract some of the worst people. This entire thread is filled with bot talk like on 4chans /pol/, no shit this websites post quality has gone down so much.
Someone let the normalfags know about the existence of wizchan and just drowned the site in dumbasses.
It hurts every time.
I wish imageboard indexes didn't exist. They make it easy for wojak faggots to spread. 4chan retards never lurk and immediately start shitting everything up, and they think the only issues with 4chan are bots/shills and mods LOL. The users themselves are insufferable children with the dumbest attitudes and opinions ever. They saw r/4chan and think they fit in by being obnoxious all day.
Trannies are perhaps an exception. I don't think there's a non-lgbt loser communinity that would lean left politically. Imageboards, crabs.co etc. are 99% stormfags.
>>179295>It wasn't migrants who came up with the idea of working people literally to death. And I most positively don't see migrants holding any significant amount of power or capital of any kind
Most the third world is happy with slavery. They hold power because they "lack power" so to speak. Why pay a man a proper wage so he can take care of his family (parents or off spring) when a third worlder will come in and do it for less than a proper wage? They devalue wages, which leads to more work for less money and lower living standards for everyone except the migrant who upgrades from his shanty town back home.
Disenfranchised men are drawn to the right because they see a broken system that does nothing for them. They see quality of life decreasing dramatically and their lives shaped by destructive forces shaping their society against them. Any one with a grasp of history even as short as the soviet union's Jewish uprising can see how dangerous it is for outsiders to move in and start blaming X people for all the problems. Those X people usually end up being genocided in one fashion or another and people are rightfully concerned about it. Which leads them to the only group of people willing to defend whites against the Jewish propaganda and black uprising they're funding and promoting.
>In b4 Muh normalfag
Being a virgin doesn't mean you don't want to live in a stable community where people care about each other. Being in a safe, family focused community where the streets are safe to walk alone at night and medical services aren't provided by doctors who barely speak English isn't being a normalfag. It benefits wizards to have a homogeneous society with similar values and high trust among them. Good society is good for all the people in it, a bad society is bad for all the people in it. Wizards are already a primary target for victimization. How much worse is that going to be when blacks increased violent actions are the type of victimization happening? Being mocked and looked at funny is different to having your head stomped on for the "knock out game".
>>180994>Making sure everyone gets treated equally in a country won't make blacks, migrants or whoever rule your country.
Obama would like a word with you.
>Whites are objectively privileged
Poor white men are objectively the least privileged group in society. They have no benefits and nothing offered to them while being accused of all the ills. They're the biggest victims of this whole shit show and are doing the worst in every measurable way. For your ideology to be correct you would have to show poor white boys doing better than rich Asians, which you can't.
Now fuck off you retarded cunt. >>181053
Helping your disabled and mentally ill benefits society greatly. The current system of 100% fine or 100% not fine doesn't help any one at all. Everyone is left to fend for themselves and many people who would be better off dead are helped despite it being wrong and many who could handle small tasks are told not to or they lose their neetbucks.
>Sharing what you have with others isn't giving it up
Fuck you, you dirty nigger. Tell us how London, which is now a majority not-English isn't being given up? You can't because you're wrong and dishonest about it. Which is how this always works.
In a right-wing system you own your country because your people own the country and you're one of them. Individualism is a cancer rotten to the core where people lose sight of what matters. Family units are part of the community, which are what makes up all levels of your society in a right wing society. I don't "own" my entire family, but they act in my interest by being part of the same group as me. This is the exact mentality foreigners always have and why your ideal is nothing but anti-white hatred. You preach individualism while inviting in every hostile tribe you can who all deny individualism and act as groups to attack the individuals. It's like being in a zombie apocalypse and one guy saying everyone should split up and fight the zombie horde alone. It's suicide and you dumb faggots know that which is why you promote it. Either you're a kike, a nigger or a spic because it's obvious you're acting in YOUR tribal interest.
>>181063>So if migrants lived far away then those people wouldn't be racists?
People always have racial preferences and that's normal and human. There's no issue with your dumb racial bullshit if you're never interacting with other races. How many people a thousand miles away do you know exist and interact with? None. They don't exist to you so there's no problem what you think about them. Niggers stay where they belong and that solves all the "racism" problems. >>181069
Many of them are criminals and unwanted trouble makers. Who deal with your thief son who steals money from his mother's purse when you can send him to Europe, he gets benefits and can send money home while he's out of your hair?
Raped someone and want to get away with it? Flee to a Western country and destroy your passport. No one can track you then, no one will know who you are and you can claim you're a fag and fleeing execution.>>181075
Why would you identify as a loser? Do you think a migrant is going to see you and think you're his friend? He's going to see you as an easy victim because you're a fucking loser. How brainwashed do you have to be to think all losers are equal and part of some tribal identity for you? Do you hear about a pedophile going to jail and decide to become his pen pal because he's a loser too? >>181094
Religions purpose is to unite people not to divide them. Everyone obeying a single god's commandments puts you all on the same rough playing field. You see people like you who live under the same values as you and you're less likely to act badly towards them. Everyone going the same direction is smoother than everyone going in different ones.>>181096
Fuck you retard. I'm racist because pakis are gang raping children and getting away with it. Spics and kikes are also child rapists and we already know about niggers. I want my ethnic group to thrive because we're the only ones not barbaric monsters ready to rape and kill children.
>Feminism is good
Oh it's you? The retard who always promotes feminism in these kind of places. I know you were retarded but I didn't realize who I was reading.
I actually like Islam and prefer it much more to either humanism or current christianity. The single fact that muslims are almost the only ones who can still freely torture and kill their succubi makes me respect them. Christianity was good, pre-humanism and pre-enlightenment but now…what a joke. Welcoming muslims and Islam with open arms is the only salvation we can achieve.
I always laught out loud when I see in the news that migrants killed and/or raped another succubus or child. I am like "go boys, get 'em!"
Even if Islam won't get into power properly, it will still be glorious to watch it battle and crush western civilization. Fuck this society, I want it to die and the people to suffer. You /pol/cucks can go and suck some more normalfag dick, you can whiteknight for your precious normalfags all day but your culture, customs, history and your ideals will be destroyed completely in time enough. Civilization and society has always been a mistake and it is about time we returned to primitive, pure, untainted, healthy morality and life-styles. Lord Shiva, please burn this shitty normalfag society with its values, its retarded slaves and its arrogant succubi and white-knights. Thanks.
>>181468>You /pol/cucks can go and suck some more normalfag dick, you can whiteknight for your precious normalfags all day but your culture, customs, history and your ideals will be destroyed completely in time enough.
I don't know why you're getting upset at /pol/cucks. I think they're eventually going to realize what Islam has to offer (basically everything they want), and /pol/cucks will be the door that Islam will begin to enter into the West.
Because they are ignorant and don't even realize the contradictions in their worldviews. They claim to hate modernism and everything that goes with it yet they try to preserve modernism and modern values. "Precious" children and succubi are one example the /pol/fag is wrongly fixated on defending. Freedom of speech is another joke lots of them want to preserve. Caring about the collective and the average normalfags too much is another softness of the polcuck. Only the elite few matters, most people are worthless and deserve to be used as worker drones. Then there are also those who think race or nationalism matters and those who white-knight for classical liberalism or christianity or whatever overly-feminine morality is currently trending. Because make no mistake, the average polfag is as much a child of modernism as the average leftist. Pathetic.
I'd say to just give them a bit more time. They're going to come around to realizing you were right about most everything in due time. These things don't change overnight. There's already been a dramatic shifts in /pol/cucks being a bunch of libertarian Ron Paul supporters to white nationalism and antifeminism in the past ten years. If things keep progressing, I bet they'll slowly figure out the remaining contradictions and end up pivoting to joining Islam in another ten years.
Most people agree with /pol/. They can't say it out loud because it's illegal many places. But in private they speak it openly. Normie housewife doesn't want to risk being raped every time she goes to the shop but who can she complain to? She would be arrested for hate speech and social media will ban her if she speaks up.
The covid stuff should have keyed you into how bad public discourse is. People are getting banned for saying they personally had a bad reaction to the vaccination. How many succubi want all the foreigners gone but can't say it in public?
Why doesn't it show in any election results then? Surely neonazi parties should have 95% popular support by now if "pol was mainstream society".
Instead they get 1-2% per election in the west. In Greece golden dawn was flat out outlawed and the leaders sent to prison for hate speech and financial crimes.
Their leader isn't even man enough to serve his prison sentence and attempts to flee like a dog.
And still got caught two days ago.
where's the hello reddit poster when is needed?
you are delusional
Yeah, tribalism probably is "normal and human", speaking in biological terms, but so is bullying and ostracizing the genetic failures most wizards are.
Also I don't think people like you actually care about random succubi raped by a bunch of pakis in a park, it's not a moral issue here. People (generally, and especially stormfags) don't care about morals. It's the very normalfag tribal instinct and you making up "enlightened" justifications for how it tells you to react to certain things.
Not all "niggers" are violent gangsters, there are lots of tame wiz-like ones. Saying we shouldn't help them because once some nigger raped a succubus is like normalfags saying we shouldn't help wizzies because some wiz shot up a school.>>181465
>white people are the least privileged
Projection, sir. Race obviously isn't everything when it comes to social status, but comparing two people of equal social skills, wealth, and equal beauty relative to their own race standards, the white guy is going to be advantaged. You make the mistake of associating your own experiences with the entire white race, which is wrong.
>>181502>comparing two people of equal social skills, wealth, and equal beauty relative to their own race standards, the white guy is going to be advantaged
Wow, that happens all the time!
99.9% of inequality in this world comes from income and wealth inequality. Skin color has absolutely nothing to do with it.
A black billionaire succubus going to a 5 star hotel even in a racist country like Hungary will be treated like royalty.
A white Alabama man living out of his trailer who can't afford a shower will be kicked to the curb by the security guards for being a nuisance just for asking how much the suites cost.
A rich black succubus is 9999999x more advantaged and privileged than a homeless white man.
Fuck people who think race is the main source of discrimination in the modern world. Life is all about money.
Its not that complex, just see how any prominent leftist talks about disenfranchised men, even if you're not a crab but some dude who feels lonely or whatever you will probably get told that you're an entitled manbaby and everything is your fault anyway.
Meanwhile alt-righters actively seek these kind of dudes and give them a place to belong. Lobster guy was popular for a reason, and that's why he at least told these """losers""" (by normalfaggot standard) that they could get better somehow, while the average leftist is just short of telling them to kill themselves.
>>178941>What's the appeal of the far right to loser men?
It's a reaction to the anti-white racism of the 2010s. These guys are losers with nothing going for them in life and yet are told by everyone they are evil privileged imperialists who oppressed everyone around them and are currently being pushed out of jobs and industries with SJW lobbying. It's understandable why some of them just snap and become stormfags.
>>181535>It's a reaction to the anti-white racism of the 2010s.
More like the 2020s, but yeah. You essentially have nothing to lose by being a stormfag now. I mean, before you would have at least _risked_ something by being a stormfag: losing your job, status, social standing, respect of peers. Now you automatically lose all of that merely by being white, so you might as well go full stormfag. The margin of loss is no longer an incentive when you have nothing to begin with.
lower class white men are basically the nigger class in the USA now, they're the boogeyman to blame everyone's problems on
>>181559>More like the 2020s
This counterreaction has been growing since long before last year. Most growth happened in the 10s but I noticed it already in at the end of the 00s because the "antiracists" were the same shit back then.
I have to wonder…are the people in charge at all worried about that? The way things are going, the counterreaction is going to be stronger than Hitler was to the Weimer Republic.
>>181502>Saying we shouldn't help them because once some nigger raped a succubus is like normalfags saying we shouldn't help wizzies because some wiz shot up a school.
What kind of help are you talking about?
>Hm, what kind of thread shall I make today?
>How about yet another thread that brings up politics and crabs
Instant 200+ reply thread on wizchan.org
Do I even have to say what kind of totally human poster makes these posts?
How much they try to spread "anti-racism" is a in indicator of how worried they are
I'm starting to believe succubi are making all these muh inkwell threads now
I wouldn't be surprised as well. However, at the same time, what I absolutely love about chans is that their designs are inherently anti-succubus. Every post here is ephemeral and fleeting. Namefagging is called out. Everyone is anonymous. All of these are natural poisons to 99.9% of succubi who live for social status and attention. There is no social status here. You will get no attention.>>181803
When you say 'anti-racist' are you using that as shorthand for 'anti-white racist' or 'someone who is against racism?'
Legitimately most of the extremely vocal anti-crab posters are succubi pretending to be wizards. They come here because wizchan is free from "crab hate" and "icky" subjects like sex. I wish I was joking.
I mean anti-white racist
I wouldn't be surprised. I don't see how a wizard can get mad at crabs, at most they make some posts bashing cunts but that is. At least my idea of a crab is just a male virgin with a huge libido, apart from that I imagine them having autistic interests that you can tal about with them.
This article pretty much sums up what I think is at the root of it all:https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/taliban-asks-for-list-of-succubi-widows-to-be-married-to-their-fighters-reports-101626413987086-amp.html
You see, I think basically being right wing is basically an instinct developed long ago. The way it used to work was you would form a dominant social coalition and use that coalition to take waifus from everyone else. Basically you just needed a bunch of guys with weapons and you could go and take everything including succubi. Conservatives can't exist without an in-group which seeks to socially dominate an out-group. This is still how it is in the third world today in many of the most conservative and religious places like afghanistan literally stealing succubi the second the americans leave.
Right wing crabs in developed countries still have this instinct but there's higher level things on top of it getting in their way so it manifests in different ways, but it's still highly about succubi. Think about it, go to pol or r9k or wherever these types populate and the one trend you will see is complete obsession with pussy and also cuck shit and themes of black men "stealing" white succubi etc etc. They're also obsessed with guns money and power which is why they worship trump who had the most money and guns and power and promised to corruptly use it only to enrich their type of person, ie signialing through many many dog whistles that he was going to be one of the in-group that would help them dominate the out-groups.
The wall was symbolic to crabs because it represented a way to block incoming dicks from competition for pussy. No more beaners blacks or chinks getting jobs and high salaries and fucking white succubi. That's what the wall means to them. They might not understand it, but on an instinctive level, that's what it is. Remember, the sex drive is an extremely motivating drive, prime among all else besides basic survival instincts. It's still there even if we abstract it out in our discourse.
the succubi filter for the link is the one that starts with g and is plural ending in s.
You can just tell by the way they use vocab like "loser men". Truth is to the succubus, a wiz and a crab are both "pathetic losers" and the succubi making these threads are laughing at all the norman tier "wizards" agreeing and putting other men down
>>181876>Conservatives can't exist without an in-group which seeks to socially dominate an out-group
The kind of right wing that this thread was supposed to be about is mostly nationalists that just want to separate from the other groups, not dominate them.
crabs dont have success moments, this is why they need a master that comes up to them and says; "you are born here so defend this against the evil refugess". its just sad becuze these lonely young men dont know better than to fall for it.
>>181903>its just sad becuze these lonely young men dont know better than to fall for it.
yeah brah poor lonely men these crabs are
see, lets not judge these people, they deserve respect too, right. just dont try to save them, not everyone can be saved, its life bud.
I don’t know but I was thinking that the nazi shit is basically like the new fedora, like get an undercut and become christian, it is a meme and the kids will probably grow out of it and the ones that don’t will be mocked as passé idiots a decade from now
The longer I’m alive the more it just feels like these sort of things repeat over and over
wait what? i mean is it wrong though? elaborate
Whether or not the immigration to a country is harmful has nothing to do with the personal success of the people who have opinions about the immigration.
>if your political opinions aren't the same as mine, you have just been tricked by the elites or are just coping with being a failure
depends, for me, people who are successful in general in life tend to be way more chill about these things, they are not THIS scared of the unknown, they are at peace with themselves and tolerate more stuff.>>181947
yea basically THIS, but this is why i dropped politics and moved on, both sides dont really allow people to be a question mark, they say, if you tolerate refugees, you cant love your country, its crazy, they really only know black or white, this is why im on my own, i cant stand people becuze even here or on kohlchan everyones so satanic and toxic and frustrated
The left is about supporting workers or migrants mainly, the right is about supporting those who contribute to society like families and again, the working man. *sigh*
These kind of politics are for normalfags. The only wizardly approach is aristocracy and ultra-reactionary views. Bring back kings and aristocrats and be done with it. We discovered equality is always a lie, at least be open about the luxury and wealth you live in, richfags. Alternatively, I'm okay with a welfare state too that pumps me with money for doing nothing.
>make political thread
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Ebin trolling win.
in some sense,it def is a political topic becuze the left is treating crabs different to the right you know.
Hah,no. No one treats crabs well. They are undesirables by the standard of all politicians.
If it is true that the far right attracts loser men and this observation is not just the result of some bias, then I'd say it's overwhelming because losers don't have much left to lose.
Being on the far-right means you risk losing everything if you are found out. Individuals with good jobs and great status(who may privately be far right, or would be if not for social pressure) would be terrified of losing their job and social status if they were ever outed as supportive of the right. Society today is of course oberwhelmingly left wing and reacts in an extremely hostile manner to anything not perceived as progressive.
I don't think this is the case. Very, very few people on the far-right are stupid enough to actually openly identify as Nazis or whatever, and they're all quite good at subtly signaling their beliefs to one another or prodding someone to determine if they are or aren't sympathetic to the far-right.
The right don't care about the well-being of crabs. The left actively hates crabs.
The right does care about weak males very much, in fact they despise them just like they despise faggots. They view anyone who isn't man enough to get pussy as genetic trash and leeches.
The right doesn't go out of their way to attack crabs
i totally agree with you, brother. i only started getting very angry and involved with politics lately because sociopathic sjws, with their lying moralities, are trying to take away the things that make me happy. it's weird that i'm starting to side with christians more (i'm a luciferian) not because i agree with them but because they hate sjws just as much as i do.
i imagine that this will change once the christians are in power again but hey… "the enemy of my enemy" and all that jazz.
>>178941>What's the appeal of the far right to loser men?
They are basically useful idiots being victims of psyop. If you were truly a wizard you wouldn't give the slighty god damned shit about the future of the white race, the west, the tradition, blabla. These guys are really delusional if they believe that living in premodern societies would benefit them in some way. Being and outcast in premodern times would be a sentence of death (but at least you could die in war they would retort, oh wow, how wonderful). At least today you have the small privilege of shutting yourself in your room while waiting for death. Life, of course, would still be shit, but I seriously doubt that being under the eye of small community 24/7 would be any better. What these guys long for is sense of belonging, companionship, being loved and with this they are showing that at their cores they want to participate and society and not being part of it deeply hurts them. A pretty base feeling: scared of being alone, wanting to cling to anything to feel some warm. I don't like to use this word but I guess it is appropiate this time: they are failed normies at their core.
Let's suppose that they go back to a premodern society and they get what they desperately want: sense of belonging. They have a wife a some kids. Will be their lifes any better? well, probably the existential dread will be soothed this way but they would be just following the social norms, a foolish put on scene with no other purpose than keeping the wheel moving. Working from sun to sun to sustain the next generation of slaves, uselessly dying in some war because your overlord ordered you to do so.
After this rant I remembered a quote, if my memory is correct, Dostoevski formulated it, I will paraphrase: once freed from their chains, overwhelmed by freedom, the slaves would want them back.
>>182073>If you were truly a wizard you wouldn't give the slighty god damned shit about the future of the white race, the west, the tradition
I apologize for wanting to live in a peaceful white community. Fucking great that I don't have to put with bullshit crime. spics and niggers need to fuck off from where I live.
I would not wish anyone to live in a diverse neighborhood, especially not to prove a point. Understand what you have and to some degree, cherish it.
well I lived in ghetto areas before and I can tell you that it's hell for any wizard or loner virgin. Where I live now is amazing, unlike to the constant shootings and break-ins. Niggers and spics aren't very friendly to anyone either.
One time I heard "bang bang bang" 20 gunshots. Some poor soul was shot apart right outside of his house.
terrible. It really sucks living around niggers and spics.
dont take my posts seriously or i will kick your ass
I knew it. damn you, haha. I'm actually autistic so I have hard time with that stuff. cheers
>>182080>>182045>i'm starting to side with
why not making up you OWN mind? people like you are one sad reason for the success of democrazy, thing is, this aint working bud, you cant replace the urge for being part of a loving family by being a puppy for a political cult. sure they will tell you nice things but they dont care about you, they only need you as their satanic tool to hurt people.>>182080>I lived in ghetto areas before and I can tell you that it's hell for any wizard or loner virgin
Yea because ghetto=ghetto. you guys will be happy nowhere because you bring your anger and frustration with you everywhere you go, this is why people give you a hard time, its a reality check, real life is not as easy as the internet where you can attack and blame people without consequences
Thinking that the immigration makes my country worse isn't fear of the unknown. And "tolerating" wasting billions of tax euros and increased crime doesn't make any sense.
>>181950>yea basically THIS
Why would you say "this" when you're doing the thing that >>181947
is complaining about?
yeah /pol/tards, keep showing your powerlevel>>182077>crime
I've skimmed over this thread and this has been endlessly retorted. I don't want to live in a neighborhood filled with crime too but you guys are ignoring the consequences of your world view : no place for outcasts, you are forced to marry and have kids and family life is not as wonderful as /pol/tards seem to believe, you are basically a slave, a pawn. To the conservatives, Christians, etc pushing this worldview you are just cattle. Regarding the crime argument, well, it looks like if your ideas revolve around some caricature of the 50s because for most of the history life has been hell. And your 50s utopia wasn't destroyed by "evil cultural marxists" but by greedy capitalists that /pol/tards have even aligned with.
>some guy posted cp
every fucking time. This kind of degenerates always appears amongst the paladins of west
>>182088>Thinking that the immigration makes my country worse isn't fear of the unknown>my country>my
good point, its "your" country, im sorry, i forgot, also they are stealing all the jobs, they so bad!>>182088>wasting billions of tax euros
THIS. because every single immigrant lives off of government money, its not like they will find job here and pay taxes too :)
see, i respect your opinion BUT, your government is financing the criminal war lobby or banks too, and refugee money is very tiny compared to that…and you still think refugees are the bad in this game. i dont even blame you but this is what Trump did to the people, he gave hillbillys a voice.
I should have realized you were just shitposting earlier instead of wasting time on serious replies.
White communities aren't particularly great either when you've sucked all the money from them and flooded with drugs (this will eventually happen to all the middle class whites you idolize so much)
>>182095>yeah /pol/tards, keep showing your powerlevel
Maybe he's right, you probably are a shitskin>no place for outcasts, you are forced to marry and have kids and family life is not as wonderful as /pol/tards seem to believe
I don't cate about any of that shit or marriage, nigger. Some of us wan't to live in peacful communities.>you are basically a slave, a pawn. To the conservatives, christians, ect pushing this worldview
I'm not conservative, nor christian, I hate christians. I'm atheist.>well, it looks like if your ideas revolve around some caricature of the 50s because for most of history life has been hell
That doesn't matter. I've had first-hand experience with living around these subhumans. Because I grew up poor. Poor white communities are safer than ethnic ghettos. It's a fucking fact.>And your 50s utopia wasn't destroyed by "evil cultural marxists" but by greedy capitalists that /pol/tards have even aligned with
I don't even go on/pol/ or 4chan, or any social media ever. at all. I don't even give a shit about politics, but fuck I'm sick of moral faggots like you that want to lick feet of any group. It's clear you're from /leftypol/ or some shit. Fuck off.
Please stop being such a butthurt samefag.
>>182095>every fucking time. This kind of degenerates always appears amongst the paladins of west
I like the ethnic 3rd world countries and 1st world ghettos where they just gang rape, traffick, and murder children. Much less degenerate amirite
you call me shitposting just for being a little bit sarcastic? where is your answer dipshit, nothing than THAT? i guess you are good to make party with
Brainrot from consuming memes and midwit YouTubers.
>>182115>I don't cate about any of that shit or marriage
Then don't label yourself as rightoid>I'm sick of moral faggots like you that want to lick feet of any group
That's precisely what I'm criticizing of rightoids, /pol/tards,crabs, etc. >>182117
I'm not talking about the differences between homogenous and diverse social groups, I'm talking about imageboards. Pretend to be some paladin of the white race while you share space and even fraternize with the worst kind of degenerates is beyond pathetic to me. Let's see what the most rancid traditionalists would think about these sewers called imageboards.
Call them nigger online all day long til the cows come home but they have a more realistic and pragmatic way of viewing the world>>182129
Not white, wizbro. You act like there's much of an option for "rightoids". The right fraternizes with degenerates and the communist left is primarily bourgeoise fraternizing with neo-liberal oligarchs.
Besides, being at the bottom the cesspool can really help someone realize how badly it should be dealt with.
okay, I'm definitely getting b8ed. Last reply.
What they think about imageboards doesn't matter. Nationalist movements are the only sane choice in Sweden in the present.
>>182139>no place for outcasts, you are forced to marry and have kids and family life is not as wonderful as /pol/tards seem to believe, you are basically a slave, a pawn. To the conservatives, Christians, etc pushing this worldview you are just cattle.
No that's not a part of my opinions and you could make up dumb consequences for any political side. Like you'll get gassed or become a slave to non-whites if you support the left.>Then don't label yourself as rightoid
Maybe when the left stops being retarded regarding ethnonationalism I can consider them.
Who wants to tell him?
I mean the only sane choice to support/agree with.
>>178945>>179060>anyone who disagrees with me is just coping with the fact that he's a loser
This "argument" are retarded because you could make up something like that for any side. It has no connection to the opinions you oppose. There's nothing in that "argument" about why they're wrong.
>>182150>the only sane choice
Do you really believe there is even such a thing? How is that any different to leftist sjws viewpoints?
and who even decided on where to draw nation boarders? right, the criminal government. see how dumb a nationalist movement now looks?
Drop politics and let buddhism in your heart, helped me big time too.
see, for them you are just an useful idiot, people join the altright cult but didnt even talk once to refugees, how dumb are they? its just sad man, becuze this way we will never have peace.
The left wants to bring millions of Arabs and Africans to Sweden
I have met immigrants. Many of them were nice. However the immigration can cause problems even if every immigrant isn't an asshole so what's your point?
i know its same here in germania but still, its simply no surprise, most caucasians put their career over being parents, muslims on the other hand, love their family and are not scared to have many children you know.>>182157
right, there are good and bad of them, just like with christians. see, i dont try to make a point here, i also dont want to change your opinions, all i want is to tell you, immigration can be a chance too, a chance for an even better society.
>>182166>i know its same here in germania but still, its simply no surprise, most caucasians put their career over being parents, muslims on the other hand, love their family and are not scared to have many children you know.
Did you link the wrong post?
It's interesting to see how many right wingers are here. I have been perusing right wing boards (to an extent) but never manage to become a full fledge right winger. I was a leftist in 2010 and I am still a lefist today. I do believe people are divided more by class than race/gender/nationality. And Capitalism while not as immoral as communists want to portray it (I'm not that leftist) still has a lot of problems. I also find camaraderie with my race or my nationlaity as stupid, being the same color/sharing language is not enough for me.
But I started to develop a good sense of apathy. I'm 36 years old, I don't give a flying fuck what will happen to evropa in 2070 or to usa in 2060, I don't give a shit. Anyone who cares about 50 year in advance is an underage who shouldn't post here in the first place.
I swear sometimes I feel the average age of this board is 19 or something.
I don't like the morality argument, it's just not an efficient mode of production. Probably too late to progress because of climate change worst case scenarios.
>>182169>I also find camaraderie with my race or my nationlaity as stupid, being the same color/sharing language is not enough for me.
Makes sense, for me, i even feel ashamed for other caucasians especially succubi because they drop white culture for monkey music and even dress or want career like men.>>182169 >I started to develop a good sense of apathy.
This is very bad because another "victim" is a win in (their) book.
The World is not how they paint it, they're trying to demoralize you.
Satan and his Minions control the World, they will do anything in their Power to destroy any Beauty in the World. The Way to defeat Satan, is to create Beauty, true Beauty. Go clean Trash up on a Hike, plant some Trees, find wholesome Friends, bake or cook something, paint something, find and join a pro Family and pro Life Group, help Strangers out of Kindness, learn traditional Music or even just listen to it. The Jew hates Beauty.
>>182169>I also find camaraderie with my race or my nationlaity as stupid, being the same color/sharing language is not enough for me.
It's still relevant to take into consideration that most normalfags see each other as part of groups like that. Even if you don't feel connected to your people, the country will be better off if the politics take into account that people generally feel connected to their people.
Otherwise the different peoples in a country will just turn on each other so it's best to have a separate country for every people.
I can't see anything that indicates that Sweden will be better off because of this immigration from the middle East and Africa. Only things that point towards that Sweden will be worse off because of it. Most significantly the increased crime, the large costs that have to get paid with tax money and it's also likely that the working class in Sweden will become easier to exploit. There's no minimum wage in Sweden, the workers have what they have because they came together and demanded it, with lower sense of community and lower trust, things like that will be harder to do.
your holy tax money goes to war lobby and to saving criminal banks too but blaming refugees instead is smarter!
Men are like dogs; and like dogs they need masters. I wouldn't doubt that we have following in our genetic makeup, or at least most of us.
That doesn't make it any better to waste billions on the immigration
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>>178941>What's the appeal of the far right to loser men?
rightoids complain about many things, but there is one thing they bitch about that is important at least for me: leftards fights for changes in the media with the goal of spreading their retarded moral points with the expectation of people seeing and agreeing with their retardation, increasing the numbers of retarded lefties willing to fight for the implementation of a classless society. The (BIG) problem is that fun becomes secondary, the end result is that I am unable to enjoy new media because it makes me cringe every other minute, and they don't accept no as an answer. I imagine that is a big problem for the majority of weebs as well.
Of course a leftoid could point at me and accuse me of not really upholding rightoid ideals, but that is not because I am a rightoid, it is because I want FUN above EVERYTHING in this world.