I don't mean physical weakness, although that can be a part of it. I mean being unsuited for life. A weakness of spirit, or will, or a deficiency of the life-force or whatever, beyond apparent factors like looks, means, intelligence and social aptitude (secondary factors engendered by a primary weakness) seems to me to be the essence of wizardhood.
Like, maybe the reason we're virgins is because we don't have in us the capacity to be as forceful and brutal and cunning as is necessary to succeed in the arena of sexual competition.
When I see men flirting with succubi, I'm often shocked at the forcefulness of their words and gestures, it's as if they are trying to box the succubus in, preventing her escape, leaving her with no option but to give herself over to the man. Only words are used, but it's not that far from the state of nature. It's difficult for me to imagine myself doing the same with a succubus, I didn't even realize it was permissible for a man to say such things.
Wizards tend to lag in all departments of life, not just in the romantic or sexual ones. They often have a difficult time at school, don't obtain a very high level of education, find it difficult to hold down or find jobs and are consequently often NEETs. There is a tendency towards avoidance, of tasks in the form of procrastination, and of confrontation, that results in a chronic lack of success across the board. Also a lack of "common sense", an affinity for niche topics and impractical concerns, the absence of a lot of behaviors and developmental markers that are considered "instinctual".
So it's unlikely that only a single material factor, such as looks, or height, or frame, or autism, etc., can be held as responsible for the life outcome of the average wizard. There must be some unifying a priori factor, a basic, metaphysical weakness that leads the wizard to fare so poorly in all spheres of life. You may choose to identify this weakness with genetic weakness, I am unsure whether to. In my experience, genetics aren't a good enough predictor of whether someone will turn out to be a wizard.
We're men who don't fit into the standards modern society, I suppose by evolutionary standards that makes us failures yes.
I'm not sure how well we would fare in any other society… the game of sex is the same in every era, all a society's degree of civilization determines is how we are allowed to demonstrate our fitness to mate.
Maybe some men are naturally more autistic these days. I enjoy being alone and away from the hustle of life that normans seem to like. I figured it was better for me to never find a job and stay home all day because there was no point in working.
I've noticed that people are also repulsed by me in some way, so that might have something to do with my reluctance to integrate into society. Every time I go outside, I feel so out of place that it might as well have been a different planet.
I simply don't understand how normans operate, or how they can go through life doing things like having sex and partying all the time. It seems so alien to me.
Yes, but don't you get lonely? I don't get how normals have the stamina to be social constantly either, I'm really averse to work, but I still feel the need for companionship, and I regret being a work-shirker.
My mind and body are frail and weak
Most of it stems from deep introversion and lack of care for socializing to the degree that normals do.
Now you don't have friends or relationships so you spend a massive amount of time alone lost amongst your own thoughts with little external input. This starts building up more and more and the next thing you know you're a 31 year old NEET that feels like an alien creature whenever you go to the grocery store once a month.
I think this weakness is probably more of a disconnection between one's system of desires and one's decisions to influence the real world. Normalfags, when they have sexual desire, they want to go have sex. When they are angry at someone, they want to tell them off. When they are interested in a subject, they take steps to make it a career.
Their brains are physically set up to be effectual on the real world. I think most of these mental illnesses wizards have involve a disconnect between brain regions that form desires and brain regions that initiate action. The rest of the brain forms around the effects of that disconnection.
Wizards are not fit to thrive in the world as it is but look how we thrive during lock downs where normals struggled.
I also think you need to see that what you call success is just what normals strive for where a wizard may just want NEETbux and his own room away from family to live in and some hobbies to work on.
The wizards in /hob/ who do wood carving or alter sound chips to make interesting noises and are happy with life have succeeded as much as a normal who has had 10 kids by age 30 and made a lot of money.
How do you define worth?
A lot of us are mentally ill though.
People that I would deem succesful are generally polar opposites of myself, even if they're also introverts. Their way of thinking and values are just completely different.
So I think yes. Wizards are a cocktail that's just unfit to society.
This so much.
I just had a social worker tell me that what I like doing is "not much of a life". I said I like being alone with my music and reading or writing and she said that was not a life lol. So rude how normalfags seem to think we all must work to buy junk we do not need and hoarde money or make a family.
Normalfags can't imagine what it's like to be a hikki for years on end. They are stunned when they hear about someone who has spent most his life away from society. I used to have a therapist who couldn't believe that I don't like to go outside and never had a girlfriend, being in my mid twenties and still a virgin. And it's like you said, normalfags are consumers by nature. They always want the newest and shiniest thing. They want to find a mate to procreate with and pass on their legacy. Wizards are just a different species, I guess. Either that or there is something very wrong with our brains.
Life for normalfags is a race to get social validation from others, make a family.
To the wizard that does not seek social validation as he walks his own path the reward offered for participating in society is not worth it as it does not have any value for him.
Tis is why the wizard may be largely ascetic or at least only buy things that he himself likes such as anime merchandise as he does not need to appeal to others to get friends and a GF etc etc.
Normalfags think the wizard life is hell the cure a shrink will suggest is to be social ad make money but they do not generally understand that a wizard is different on a deeper level.
Yes. We're man-children at best.
Care to point out which rule I'm breaking? Whenever you're done getting your panties in a twist over a fucking hypothetical.
>fuck you OP. either your post is bait, for which you should be criticized; trolling is fine, but not when it stirs up arguments that have already been talked to death and are tedious for regular users to reread (if you are going to be a troll be more fun and original). that, or you are a newfag who should lurk more before posting questions about the userbase you could infer through lurking more.
Actually, to me it's more telling that a line of questioning as innocent (and, I would argue, pertinent) as mine can get blowhards like you to come out of the woodwork and post these retarded off-topic screeds, putting on this knowing facade to try and obfuscate how butthurt they are at the mere suggestion that your wizardhood might not be 100% self-willed. I guarantee that I've been using this site for longer than you have, and I don't care for your pontifications about the culture of this website in the least. Fuck off.
Yea honestly agree with this post, except that I don't OP really meant for it to be shit, its just the culture that has been installed on wizchan thanks to you-know-who.
The endless crab/volcel/monk/truwiz/doomer/zoomer fucking meme shiet posts are really tiring I agree with entirely. As you mention about the "spectrum of wizards", the failed normalfag seems to view this as a social hierarchy where they the norman king stands as the greater, and the dreaded crab the lower. The worfilter on crab just exacerbates the issue 100x worse, since you get these same stupid normalfags thinking it gives them an excuse to insult virgins, and then claim they are crabs in a bucket. Yet these very same monk larpers also screech if someone wants to go get friends, or eventually rejoin society, which is literally crab in a bucket behaviour ironically. It's getting old, and the mods not only allow it, but actively promote it with the wordfilter and by letting it carry on like this for so long. Inb4 le "meta outside of meta", as if they even reply to anyone on meta besides targeting the dumbest of posters and complaints so they don't have to actually have a proper discussion.
Also I forgot to mention but the reserve of my post is also true. Where the crab sees people who do anything as the lower, etc.
Fair enough. I probably shouldn't have jumped all over your shit like that, it was rude of me. I'm just a little tired of the circular discussion that results from this type of post. Maybe some misdirected anger on my part.
I just think that questions asked by your post can be answered through observation of the userbase. A great portion of the people here are wiz due to weakness (the level of weakness varying) but others here have complicating factors in their lives that legitimately set them back (mental illness, etc). Some have a mixture. Others have a will of iron and chose their lifestyle. It varies person to person.
Wizchan isn't a hivemind colective.
There isn't any we or unifying level of weakness or strength and honestly implying that all wizards are weak, broken, sad individuals through begging the question comes off as nothing more then a thinly vailed insult in a way that just bearly avoids rule 4.
>I don't mean physical weakness, although that can be a part of it. I mean being unsuited for life. A weakness of spirit, or will, or a deficiency of the life-force or whatever, beyond apparent factors like looks, means, intelligence and social aptitude (secondary factors engendered by a primary weakness) seems to me to be the essence of wizardhood.
>A weakness of spirit, or will, or a deficiency of the life-force
worthless mumbo jumbo
if you are asking "are we virgins because we are unsuited for normalfag life?", then literally yes
>maybe the reason we're virgins is because we don't have in us the capacity to be as forceful and brutal and cunning as is necessary to succeed in the arena of sexual competition.
sex is gross
diseases are gross
it's too intimate of an act, i dont ever want to be that close to someone, both physically and emotionally or in the sense of a relationship
i dont want to be responsible for another person, not a partner or children
none of these reasons would be solved by me becoming a "forceful, brutal, cunning" hyperchad, so long as my mental faculties remain intact
>When I see men flirting with succubi, I'm often shocked at the forcefulness of their words and gestures, it's as if they are trying to box the succubus in, preventing her escape, leaving her with no option but to give herself over to the man. Only words are used, but it's not that far from the state of nature. It's difficult for me to imagine myself doing the same with a succubus, I didn't even realize it was permissible for a man to say such things.
anecdotal cherry picking. i can say the exact opposite, there is nothing to prove or disprove about these observations
>Wizards tend to lag in all departments of life, not just in the romantic or sexual ones. They often have a difficult time at school, don't obtain a very high level of education, find it difficult to hold down or find jobs and are consequently often NEETs.
yes, it's fairly obvious wizards are socially delayed. at the beginning you are looking for something beyond mere social ineptitude so i don't know what mentioning this does
>There is a tendency towards avoidance, of tasks in the form of procrastination, and of confrontation, that results in a chronic lack of success across the board. Also a lack of "common sense", an affinity for niche topics and impractical concerns, the absence of a lot of behaviors and developmental markers that are considered "instinctual".
as a generalization sure, but this isn't really unique to male virgins
>So it's unlikely that only a single material factor, such as looks, or height, or frame, or autism, etc., can be held as responsible for the life outcome of the average wizard.
agreed, there probably isn't a single reason. it's probably just a combination of traits and similar upbringings though, nothing spiritual
>There must be some unifying a priori factor, a basic, metaphysical weakness that leads the wizard to fare so poorly in all spheres of life.
>You may choose to identify this weakness with genetic weakness, I am unsure whether to. In my experience, genetics aren't a good enough predictor of whether someone will turn out to be a wizard.
probably isn't entirely genetic, although there is a correlation between intelligence and the age someone first has sex, and intelligence is partially genetic, and genetics are somewhat indirectly responsible for every physical aspect of us
this site also has a certain… mentality i guess? that has evolved over time. like attracts like. im sure wizards that dont use wizchan are pretty different from us
>>179272>>179272>if you are asking "are we virgins because we are unsuited for normalfag life?"
I'm asking if we are virgins because we are unsuited for life period.
>none of these reasons would be solved by me becoming a "forceful, brutal, cunning" hyperchad, so long as my mental faculties remain intact
You literally don't know that, it's not as if you've freely chosen to be phobic of sex and intimacy. Maybe if you were stronger and more capable of getting it, you would also want it more.
>yes, it's fairly obvious wizards are socially delayed. at the beginning you are looking for something beyond mere social ineptitude so i don't know what mentioning this does
I'll boil it down for you, what I'm positing is that there's an X-factor that is responsible for wizards underachieving in every walk of life. Social delays don't alone account for a lack of professional and academic success, in fact there's plenty of unironically autistic and socially retarded people who do pretty well in those areas. There's an intrinsic awkwardness and general feebleness of ability, across the board in wizards, that is just totally antithetical to youth and vitality, which is why I call it weakness.
>>179276>I'm asking if we are virgins because we are unsuited for life period
You are alive aren't you?
There is your answer.
If you don't want to be alive you are welcome to stop living at any time.
I also resent your constant use of we.
You are doing it on purpose now as several people brough it up.
I am starting to think you might just be a high effort troll if I am being honest.
>>179277>I also resent your constant use of we.
I don't care. How fragile do you have to be to be bothered by something like that? Instead of getting triggered by such autistic superficialities, try to actually read and understand my reply to you, wherein I explain my position for your benefit. I should be the one accusing you of trolling, because you've so cleanly missed my point it has to be on purpose.
>>179276>I'm asking if we are virgins because we are unsuited for life period.>>>/dep/
>You literally don't know that, it's not as if you've freely chosen to be phobic of sex and intimacy. Maybe if you were stronger and more capable of getting it, you would also want it more.
maybe? maybe not? you don't know either. you also don't know this is the case for all male virgins on this board. you don't know everyone's situation
>I'll boil it down for you, what I'm positing is that there's an X-factor that is responsible for wizards underachieving in every walk of life.
if it's not genetic, our upbringing, our traits, or any combination of these things, i dont see what else it can be
>Social delays don't alone account for a lack of professional and academic success, in fact there's plenty of unironically autistic and socially retarded people who do pretty well in those areas.
it still seems like the single largest factor, if i had to pick only a single thing, but i dont think it alone explains everything
>There's an intrinsic awkwardness and general feebleness of ability, across the board in wizards, that is just totally antithetical to youth and vitality, which is why I call it weakness.
wizards on /hob/ have demonstrated great ability. it's just generally not life, success, normalfag abilities. even if one is great at that, it has no purpose on this site and will never be posted about though. i dont disagree with calling wizards weak, from the view of normalfag society we aren't very strong. i mostly agree with what you're saying and of characterizing wizards, just not the reasons or explanation for it
That level of overeaction feels unathletic and all of your post are low key insults.
I can only guess that all the post deleted is probably the result of a fight you started and now you are trying to do it again.
I see and understand your position. I simply dismiss it because it's bad when viewed with any sort of critical thinking. Mostly because you are making no attempt to be rational.
>>179276>I'll boil it down for you, what I'm positing is that there's an X-factor that is responsible for wizards underachieving in every walk of life. Social delays don't alone account for a lack of professional and academic success, in fact there's plenty of unironically autistic and socially retarded people who do pretty well in those areas.
Actually I've noticed the majority of "wizards" are at least gainfully employed or studying. That seems pretty average to me. The rest are lower functioning autists or schizoids who are lost in their own delusions, aka the REAL wizards. And the reason why we can't function in society is because they REJECT us. You can't take part in society if nobody wants you near them. Do you understand? That's the X-factor: having mental illness and/or cognitive delays.
This point rings true. The disconnection between desires and action probably happens due to the environment creating limits on the person, which then get imprinted in the brain's reward mechanisms. Something like a social disconnect during the formative years resulting in becoming an outcast, resulting in lack of actuation of the normal reward mechanisms via social activities, resulting in the disconnect between the brain's learned experience of "being social is a lot of effort for no reward" and the animal desire to fulfill the social roles.
Similarly, if this happens across a sufficiently wide array of activities, the brain might abstract the experience and learn that effort in general brings underwhelming rewards, and thus loses its meaning. You start feeling that there's little connection between what you want, what you do, and what you get - feelings of weakness and powerlessness.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to explain this on a biochemical level, though.
Most of us have been bullied or mentally abused as kids, we are distrustful of other people and would rather be alone. The problem is that as human beings, we're social animals and we depend on other people for survival. If we can't connect to other people, then we're handicapped.
Small talk is exhausting and utterly pointless.
Normies isolated us since in early age then they wonder why as adult cant work well
No, wizards are strong. While the average normgroid or chad gives in to the hivemind and society's expectations from early on, wizards retain their innocence and retreat into whatever circumstance makes them feel comfortable. Normies accept what society presents them as the latest popular dopamine-delivery method and "grow out" of their childlike comforts to fit into that mold. Wizards, on the other hand, lag behind in that "advancement" as they don't prefer to take that challenge. That's the main precipitator and it has to do with not giving in, therefore strength.
Depends on what you consider as 'weakness'.
Like others here said, there is not really a unifying principle or something, we ended up as asocial male virgins because of different reasons and experiences, all of us. So I can only speak of my own case. I'm 24 now and don't know how to drive, literally only took public transportation alone twice in my whole life, never went to do the shopping alone, never paid a bill or did other official business without my family ever, never went to the doctor alone, etc. As you can see, the biggest factor for me was overprotective family - I have been spoiled to death by my parents. I am 24 and I would die on my own, I can't travel even to the nearest big city and find my way around on my own without help. I can't use the oven, can't cook anything, can't fix shit, can't wash my own clothes, etc. I can't function in normal, day-to-day life on my own. Even though I'm pretty smart, most of my teachers told me so, I never went to university or college after high school simply because I'm socially retarded and hate being around others. It's not that I am autistic, I'm very self-aware, probably much more than normals. I simply don't want to belong to this community. I don't care about their interests, they don't care about mine, fine. And like I said, I can't do shit alone. My parents did everything for me always. Back to the topic of being smart, I was a very mediocre student in high school because I didn't give a fuck. In my last years I just refused to write anything on test papers most of the time because I didn't care. I also skipped class whenever I could. I knew I was different from the majority and that I will never amount to anything in society because I lack the will to adjust myself to normals. One of my teachers said to me that my problem is that I have a hard time adjusting to things in general. She also said I was kind of autistic, though I don't think she is right in this because I met several autists and they were normalfags too, plus like I said previously I can get "messages" that aren't said out loud, I can feel when I'm not liked or wanted somewhere. But she also said I'm very smart and knowledgable about lots of topic. I often talked with her about history, politics, society, etc. Another teacher told my parents I should be already in university. I never learned like others do, I learned critically and used my mind much more than others. Most of my classmates always parroted the same shit that was written down while I was creative and free-thinking compared to them. Even the best students in my class always used to say "wiz is smarter than us, he is just lazy". Though rather than lazy I just didn't care. I knew that I had no future even back then, everyone was talking with succubi and they were going partying and stuff while I spent most of my time home alone, consuming media or reading stuff I found interesting. I never cared about friends or what others thought about me but getting over the fact that succubi liked other guys better took me a long time to get over. It was never really the romantic part but the idea of not having sex that unsettled me. Hope I won't get banned for this, I was still young back then. I mean, I was always a very passionate person, especially since 13 when I discovered masturbation and porn. I was obsessed with pleasure, still am but now I don't live in a fantasy world anymore concerning succubi. ANYWAYS. I was the only one who refused to go to prom night and I was the only one who refused to have his picture taken when our class graduated. I was extremely bitter back then and I'm surprised now that I didn't hurt anyone, thought about murdering most people at school with knives numerous times. One time I told the people in my group - it was just 3 or 4 other people beside me that time - and to my teacher that I would like to slash everyone's throats in this room. I was doing fine by the way if I absolutely had to socialize so I can talk well with people and some even said I am rather charismatic and persuasive. It's just that I never wanted to really communicate with them much. I hated everyone. They irritated me. At 20 I was attending some post-high school course or training or what the fuck, it was supposed to give us a job in the social field, like social worker or whatever but I never bothered with studying and skipped most classes, like always. I got so fed up with life, this wake up at morning, go to study, etc, that I tried to kill myself with Xanax and alcohol. Got into a psych ward. After they let me out my family simply accepted that I am this way. They let me NEET it up at home ever since. I barely leave the house and spend most of time reading, watching movies, anime, listening to music and stuff like that. This is my fourth year NEET-ing and never been happier than in this period of being a hermit. I can do whatever the fuck I want, nobody bothers me, I can enjoy my hobbies ad infinitum. Of course, this actually won't last forever but I don't care. Better to live a short life doing what you want than to live a long life doing things you hate.
Conclusion? In my case, it is overprotective family+lack of interest in others (asocial or even anti-social tendencies) and the lack of interest I received from females that made me into this god or devil I've become. Now I can safely say that if I had the power I would make sure most people suffered horribly. I would torture them to a miserable death. I hate society. I hate humans, both males and females. Even if some slut offered herself up to me now I would reject her out of pride. Yes, I'm a very prideful, envious and wrathful person. I would rather suffer as a loner than to beg succubi to notice me like most failed normals do. I want revenge. I am probably very egoistic but I don't care anymore. I only worship myself and live for myself. Fucking hell.
So no OP, I don't think we are weaker than others, only that we have other priorities and abilities and skills than the majority. We aren't suited for this utilitarian society where you are only valued if you contribute something. I think wizards in general are free-thinkers, artists and have many talents but we can't prosper in this environment. We are doomed to failure under the current circumstances.
I can tell you that your family being 'over-protective' of you is a blessing. All that crap about 'growing-up' and 'taking-care' of yourselves resumes to a simple thing: having to deal with normalgroids. Things like cooking are not really hard, you can learn if you put your mind to it, same with other things like going to the store and getting what you need. What your family is really doing is protecting you from the scam that is society.
Again, feel very, very afortunate that your family is doing that. Because little things are more disgusting than being forced to participate in the crap that is society with the rest of the normals, buying into their crappy act. The option is only to engage with those that are not buying it, and are outside of that. Wiz, you should try to stay safe, you look like a smart one certainly.
A real good man ought to be a coward and a slave. Thing is there is no such thing as "good" so don't try to be good.
People you are talking about are not strong, they are literally just dumb. They are able to easily persuade themselves that things are worth being forceful over. they are vain and petty. You don't want to be in a relationship because you see how retarded it is, you see how retarded school is, you see how retarded everything is so you will just keep to yourself.
Wizards have a great opportunity, a tremendous yogic opportunity to master themselves. Being detached from people, places and things means you are primed for spirituality, only question is whether or not you want to go through with it or just stay on the hedonic treadmill. Never covet or try to be like normies, they are helpless to change themselves. they really are wretches who want to make you as weak as them.
Society is like nature, the rules are slightly different but the concept is the same: those who are most adapted to their environment thrive and those who adapt poorly die.
I’m mentally tough as nails, but physically i’m very VERY weak. That’s actually the main reason people bully me, they tell me I look like a succubus, so yeah. Physical weakness in my case.