No.185956
supposedly I have schizotypal personality according to my doctor
No.185957
>>185955according to doctors I am schizoid and another personality disorder that people would claim cannot coexist with schizoid. Being schizoid is more than 'maladaptive daydreaming'. "how do you deal with it", if you are schizoid you already are dealing with it. I have had therapy for other disorders and on request of professionals I have even engaged socially with people to test if it would change my disposition and it never has.
Schizoid summed up in my experience is the inability to bond. Family are strangers. Everyone is a stranger. I wish I was not this way but at least I am not one of those typical loner males who thirst for female company and suffer greatly. The hell is having hardly any wordly desires at all and being incredibly bored with life because it has nothing you desire. I deal with reality by withdrawing from others and doing things by myself.
No.185959
My initial reaction to Schizoid Personality Disorder was:
1 - This sounds like a VERY complete personality description of myself.
2 - Why the fuck do I feel like the psychological establishment is attacking me for it?
No.185960
>>185959if it helps they don't have any way to treat it.
No.185961
Why is it associated with schizophrenia? Is full blown voices like the extreme spectrum of daydreaming too much?
No.185963
>>185961You can become psychotic and hallucinate as a schizoid but not to the same degree. There is a genetic link confirmed also.
No.185966
From
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder>lack of interest in social relationships>a tendency toward a solitary or sheltered lifestyle>secretiveness>emotional coldness>detachment>apathy>unable to form intimate attachments to others>possess a rich and elaborate but exclusively internal fantasy world>stilted speech>a lack of deriving enjoyment from most activities>feeling as though one is an "observer" rather than a participant in life>an inability to tolerate emotional expectations of others>apparent indifference when praised or criticized>a degree of asexuality>idiosyncratic moral or political beliefsTo me, this reads like a normie psychologist fucking hates loner wizzies and wants to throw 5150s at them. What really worries the fuck out of me is that last bullet point:
>idiosyncratic moral or political beliefsWith that in the mix, now it's reminding me of the Soviet diagnosis of "sluggish schizophrenia" or the diagnosis of "female hysteria" (that the Kennedy family used to prescribe a fucking lobotomy for Rosemary Kennedy, iirc).
No.185967
If it weren't for the anhedonia I'd have no issue being schizoid. Other people don't interest me, but so what? People over-complicate life and lead to stress.
No.185968
Yes I thought I might have this for awhile. And some autism.
Are personality disorders even a real thing though? So much of psychology just seems like such bullshit.
No.185970
>>185961Schizo- means split, detached or separated. Schizoids are named such because of being detached from the outside world, being all of the physical reality or at least society.
The term Schizophrenia, on the other hand, comes from "splitting of the mind".
Schizoids have the negative symptoms of schizophrenia (negative not meaning bad here, but lacking something most people have) but normally not the positive ones (positive meaning having weird symptoms that most people don't have, and definitely NOT something good).
The negative symptoms of schizophrenia are things like asociality, apathy, anhedonia, all things schizoids generally have. The positive ones like hearing voices, hallucinations and disordered thinking are not commonly seen on schizoids. If they happen they might be related to some stress induced psychotic episode, it's not something that will normally happen unless it's caused by some comorbid issue.
>>185957They way I think of it is that dealing with people is work. It's very carefully managing what you say and how you act, carefully interpreting how the other person is reacting just to prevent some negative reaction from the interlocutor, like getting angry and aggressive, or highly inquisitive, or just talking for hours.
All of this is a lot of work for very little if any reward, most of the time when talking with people the main thing I'm trying to do is to get them to stop talking and go away as soon as possible. I think that SPD develops as a reaction to a generally hostile social environment (specially family during childhood), it just gets ingrained on the schizoid that interacting with other people is an unpleasant and potentially dangerous activity, one that must be avoided as much as possible.
>>185968A lot of psychology is complete bullshit, but at least some personality disorders are very much real.
No.185974
I’m also diagnosed schizoid when I was 18(now 28) only thing I hate being schizoid is inability to find a job.I’m cursed to be a NEET forever even though I like being NEET.But being poor due to not having job crushes my soul.
No.185975
I'm also officially diagnosed but it's more a matter of convenience for the shrink than anything meaningful. I don't think these labels have any intrinsic meaning, they are way too generic and broad.
No.185976
>>185975I take it you don't buy into Myers-Briggs Big Five categorizations, either.
No.185977
>>185966well I think psychiatry is pretty open that is definitions are functional, pragmatic, instrumentalist, with the normie life with a job and relationships as the norm, and any deviations from it by definition as disorders
Sometimes it might differentiate voluntary or involuntary isolation, but I dont think it really recognises the healthy voluntary hermit. By defintion a hermit is probably always going to qualify for some DSM
No.185978
>>185976Nope. It's pure bollocks.
No.186043
Does any wiz know of a jurisdiction where it is possible to get "schizoidbux", similar to how autismbux and neetbux are a thing in some places?
Apparently it leads to difficulties with finding work, so it is definitely not one of those mental illnesses that do not have any substantial effect on your ability to make money.
No.186050
>>186043Autismbux is a generic term, it does not mean everyone who gets it is necessarily autistic. Officially what matters is not so much the diagnosis or infirmity itself but the consequences on your life, or so they say. I guess it depends on your psychiatrist's ability to make a case for your inability to function normally.
No.186052
>>186050whats sucks too is people from different countries talking about their country's respective bux and the requiresments are all different
No.186053
>>186052Which is why you have to look shit up yourself if you want the most applicable answers. Especially since doxing yourself here is against the rules and probably wouldn't help much since the odds aren't in your favor of someone knowing your place's polices off the top of their head anyway.
Hell, might even be better off physically going to a gibs office and asking a social worker in person.
No.186106
I recently found out about Pathological Demand Avoidance, which makes a lot of sense to me. Of course, I will self diagnose with anything, given half a chance.
No.186126
>>185970Good post. Your description of what interaction is like as a schizoid is perfect.
>>186043>Does any wiz know of a jurisdiction where it is possible to get "schizoidbux",I seriously doubt that just a schizoid PD would qualify anyone for bux as it is just an aversion to doing things others put up with better and not an inability to function. Like others said it is pretty much worthless asking people online what will qualify you without stating your country but generally you need to have complex mental health issues that do reduce your ability to function at all.
No.186305
I was clinically diagnosed as having schizoid personality disorder by a psychiatrist -it's how I get my NEETbuxx
That said I think it's a complete meme diagnosis (like most mental illnesses tbh). It's just the psycho-pathologization of perfectly rational behaviour as a reaction to my life. There's nothing wrong with my brain, or anything like that. I'm just your regular maladaptive image board autist through a combination of upbringing, life events, etc.
>>186043>>186126It depends heavily on the country of course, but where I'm from there's a heavy social/welfare state, so all I had to prove was that I can't make minimum wage on my own which gives me a special status, and then just apply for welfare.
No.186312
Hey anon, I was like you 10 years ago. I can give you a short summary of how it could be solved. Note that this is only based on how I solved parts of it and I am not guaranteeing it will work for you. I am also not insisting you fix yourself and not judging people who want to remain schizoid - as you will read in this post, I think this process is very personal, including the decision to change (or not).
For background, I had pretty typical schizoid symptoms 10 years ago. Only particular novelty was that I think I got on the schizoid spectrum due to weird genetics (family line contains lots of introverts/low sex drive people) and not due to child abuse, as happens to most schzoids.
In my case the key to the solution was to figure out a way to get out of the anhedonia/apathy spectrum of schizoid symptoms - after all if you do not have the motivation to do anything, you do not have enough drive to do something massive like solve an insidious and nigh uncurable mental disorder.
So to do this, I spent some time (~3 years) doing some intense daydreaming, determining what I was actually missing out on/could acquire if I broke out of my schizoid condition. In my case I eventually realized I did want to get out or at least modify my disorder to be less restricting, without necessarily "denouncing" the disorder as completely undesirable (it has some good traits, like autonomy/independence).
I took those realizations and spent another year forging it together into a strong obsession/drive. Then using this obsession, I spent another 1-2 years gathering up weird ideas from every strange source, including religions/occult/political ideologies to forge together a kind of "personal ideology", which would give form to my obsession/drive, making it more articulate and workable in practical situations.
Then after this, I entered the current phase (4 years and ongoing) where I use my "personal ideology" to reforge my life, hammering out every part of it that I dislike (involving mainly anhedonia/general weakness/helplesness). This takes the forms of weekly, daily and monthly battles of will against my unrefined instincts. I still have control over the process and am not lost to the obsession - there's part of the schizoid form I retain (such as keeping social aspect of life to as low a level as I can) because I do not find it particularly objectionable.
Overall I did make massive changes and fixed several of the traits, especially with regard to anhedonia. I don't think I can be classified as schizoid any more. While the process was long, it was worthwhile - it has felt like a more interesting and prolonged version of the daydreams I used to have - kind of like an extended daydream but parts of it actually happen, which obviously makes it better. It's the kind of process where going through the process is worthwhile whether or not you reach the perfect end state, at least for me.
Now if you want to do this the key is to look deep inside yourself and find together all the reasons you would want to break out of your condition. In other words, the key is to build a dream future/path that would justify the hassle of struggling against your own nature for multiple years (it will be a pretty surreal mindfuck adventure, most likely). What it might be is completely personal, is completely unlikely to seem "grand" enough when you first find it (in fact these desires are likely very weak) and will likely also be very autistic and niche - nothing a normie or even most wizards would understand. But that's the point - getting out of the schizoid position has to be personal and meaningful for you. The little embers of dreams you find have to have the potential to be strong fuel for you after you kindle them for a few years.
No.186313
>>185966>>185970Although I have spent a long time struggling against my schizoid limitations, I basically agree. The weird thing about normie psychiatrists is that they seem to genuinely have no understanding why anyone would choose to be schizoid. Whereas to me, it was completely obvious back when I was schizoid. Even now, that I have fought against the more debilitating symptoms of schizoidy, I still retain understanding as to why it is attractive - normie society is kind of like a stinky, sticky maelstrom and avoiding involvement in it makes 100% intuitive sense to someone with my introverted and unpersonable nature.
Personal contact with normies has not really changed my mind about it all that much. Based on observation, almost all intimate relationships are pretty obviously self-defeating and non-beneficial, including to the normies who insist you absolutely have to do it or else you are not "normal" or can't really "love life" or whatever.
If schizoidy does have a weakness though, it's the anhedonia. That's the only part of the schizoid personality type (or disorder, if you wanna call it that) that really is debilitating/disease-like.
No.186317
>>186106Same lol, if I squint I can diagnose myself sincerely with anything in the DSM. At this point I won’t say I’m anything but the only thing I’ve been formally diagnosed with as an adult, which is social phobia and is definitely the primary root problem that any others stem from.
No.186336
>>185955https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_defeatSomeone give me a solid argument that schizoid tendencies aren't manifestations of long-terms sustained social defeat over long periods of time starting in adolescence. We are on wizchan here after all, I can't imagine many people here have been socially successful in their lives if they aren't able to convince a succubus to have sex with them. There's countless examples of other animals having "schizoid" tendencies as the kikes would say after being socially defeated constantly.
No.186339
>>186336Dunno, makes no sense to me. Your theory seems just another put-down disguised as a theory, sort of the same like how the normie psychologists call every person that's substantially different "disordered", whether they're legit dangerous (like psychos and BPD) or just harmless eccentrics (schizoid).
IMO, it has much more to do with just viewing the social world as a toxic and malign entity that is boring, filled with obnoxious and tiresome stereotypically idiotic normie behaviors - tribal posturing, group-think, middle school social politics etc. It is unrewarding even if you do win, so in general, schizoids avoid it.
From what Ive read it is variable what makes people settle into the schizoid state, where they start to view the social world as being irredeemable shit to be avoided. For some severe child abuse or neglect seems to reveal the bad side of society to them early, and they never give it a chance again when theyre older.
For others, they are just born solitary and contemptuous of the social unit due to genetics. The emotional payoff for winning at social interactions is never there, whereas all the drawbacks/annoyances that it causes still are. Little surprise, that also leads to schizoidy because dealing with society for such people is like constantly stepping on a nail for no reward at all. Eventually you just avoid the nail.
No.186340
>>186339I fucking hate that now no one can say they are dissatisfied with life or have been socially maltreated without CRAB CRAB CRAB
No.186347
>>186339In animals and humans social defeat has been shown to cause schizoid tendencies, animals withdraw from socializing because they believe there's no reward. They've been conditioned consistently to believe this way until it becomes second nature. You said it makes no sense but then go on to discuss why people become schizoid in virtually the same way. Your two main reasons why people become schizoid are that they're abused/neglected (socially defeated consistently in other words by their peers and loved ones) OR they're born different due to genetics which seems more like a cop out. There's a genetic component I'm sure but humans are molded by experiences and are never static, people say genetics as the biggest cop out for anything. "Oh sorry, I'm depressed, it's my genes. I'm anxious, it's my genes. I'm fat, it's my genes. I just can't help it, it's my genes." if we are such deterministic beings and it's all set in stone, why blame society at all? It's not society or others, it's your genes after all, isn't it?
>>186340Plenty of people are dissatisfied with life and how they've been mistreated and talk about it all the time, it's hard to go anywhere on the internet without someone whining incessantly about how awful their life is. I'm sure someone in the past has shown you genuine empathy for your problems, did it fix your problems? Of course not. Life isn't going to get catered to you and it isn't fair, it never was. It's a pain reading comments like this on an imageboard that's supposed to be full of 30+ year old men, I believe any wizanon old enough has went through the cycle enough times to realize the futility, though I do suspect there's plenty of teenagers and early 20s here now. Try to change whatever is making your life shit or stop pretending to care wizzy is my advice, you're sending empty words into the void here.
No.186348
>>186347People here have no one to talk to. It’s nice to shout into the void, and I’m sick of the holier than thou attitude. Does it fix problems? No, but it lowers stress and that on its own is a worthy benefit.
Fuck you.
No.186350
>>186347Dunno, why are you so invested in shitting on schizoids? Your theory is pretty obviously based on wanting to demean schizoids as being "losers" and then gaslight everyone into agreeing with you. Seems like pretty greasy creep behavior to me, I doubt you're discussing this with any good intention and are probably here to shit on people you hold in contempt for kicks (while pretending to be a "fellow wizzie").
And no pal, your theory is dumb. Literally your first sentence is stupid - animals have schizoid personality disorder? Where do you come up with this shit? If you are going to try to sound scientific at least acquaint yourself with the basics of psychology. If you did, you would also for instance know that genetics literally affects everything. I know your little contempt-filled hate theory kind of falls on thin legs if you admit basic facts like genetics, but hey that's too bad - I doubt you're a wizzie anyway, so what do I care about your distress.
No.186353
I must be free because I don't let arbitrary Jewish terms define me
No.186354
im self-diagnosed truSchizoid
No.186364
>>186312>>186313thanks for the advice anon. it helps to know that there are people who suffer from this and manage to find a way out.
No.186367
You guys do know psychology is sudo science, don't you?
No.186368
>>186367People will believe anything if it tells them what they want to hear.
No.186369
>>186350Because he is normgroid.
You have to understand that normgroids are driven by instincts and relfexes, rather than logic and reason.
No.186376
>>186367Jungian psychiatry and psychology actually had potential to be relevant and life-changing until the wrong ones got their hands on them
No.186388
>>186334That is schizophrenia.
Thread is about schizoids.
No.186389
>>186313>If schizoidy does have a weakness though, it's the anhedonia. That's the only part of the schizoid personality type (or disorder, if you wanna call it that) that really is debilitating/disease-like.That I can understand, why isn't that recognized more?
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Is it Buddhists? Is it because normie Buddhists can't comprehend that anhedonia would actually be bad?
No.186395
>>186353Dunno "wizzie" let me ask you a question:
Who is more fit to post on wizchan?
1.) A jewish truewiz
2.) A 100% aryan "red-pilled" crab
IMO if you pick 2 you are showing that your allegiance isnt really to wizchan, but a normie club known as "nationalists".
No.186398
>>186389Most normies don't know anything or care about outcasts. Most normie psychologists also. That leaves just the small minority of psychologists who are schizoid personality experts, who only really know what schizoidy looks like, they don't have the insider experience (how it really feels like). Because of that they don't know which of the symptoms really hurt schizoids and which are just personality quirks.
It's kind of unfair, but in practice society leaves it up to us in the end to understand this and solve these problems.
It is even moreso the case with schizoidy, because from what I've read, therapists seem to only be able to "cure" problems for softer/receptive personality types (i.e. depressives, avoidants, sedated borderlines) who can form intimate bonds with the psychologist, but not more guarded "armored" personality types, including schizoids. Not going to speak for anyone else here, but back when I was full-blown schizoid, the chances of forming a bond with some therapist for me was likely around 0%, even if I could have found one that had any clue what he was doing. No other help was possible, so I had to help myself.
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As for buddhists, IMO it is possible that some experts have that idea. However, most normies are just ignorant and don't care - they dont know anything about buddhism or anhedonia.
No.186417
I am basically dying of catatonic schizophrenia, I can barely think clearly, remember anything, learn, speak. I look and act like a freak, I can't work socialize or go out in public. I can't remember 99% of my life.
My pupils are constantly dilated, I can't coordinate my movements well, I bump into walls because my depth perception and motor skills are so bad. I have even experienced mild hallucinations, mostly visual and tactile, only had full auditory hallucinations once when smoking weed. Its literally a living purgatory. I have to kill myself soon before I lose the willpower, the impoverishment of my will and thinking has become nearly complete.
If you are non psychotic, consider yourself lucky. If you do have schizoid personality, from what I've read you wouldn't care much one way or the other about it since a characteristic of the disorder is indifference towards the opinions of others and life in general. What is described by anons ITT sounds more like AVPD, Asperger's, possibly schizotypal if your social anxiety is that extreme and coupled with learning issues, odd beliefs (conspiracies, paranormal, aliens, government nonsense etc.), odd appearance. I've read its essentially an attention deficit, those who are schizotypal can't keep up in social situations because they have an extreme attention span deficit.
Anyhow, I am already dead, the person I am is gone, I'm a zombie. Count yourself lucky if you are non psychotic, your problems aren't so bad I promise.
No.187388
Went to a psychiatrist once because I thought I had been depressed for years and while I distrust pills I figured it couldn't get any worse. He concluded that I wasn't depressed but instead exhibited elements of schizoid personality disorder and recommended I see a shrink which I refused. Still don't know for sure to this age but it would explain my complete lack of ambition, drive but also lack of genuine suicidal ideation. I feel like a robot with fake emotions, the only genuine thing I feel is anxiety and even that's relatively rare nowadays.
No.187427
>>187383I feel you anon, life is horrific with this disease and we are treated as subhuman. I used to have a far more normal life. If I knew what was coming… I would have done things so much differently.
No.187447
>>186350>>186348Re-read what he wrote:
>they hated him because he spoke the truth. No.187709
>>187447Nope, it's still dumb. Learn to make arguments
No.187715
i was diagnosed with schizoid when i was 23.
i dont know what you want to know about it. suffer how. i dont know what suffering you mean.
No.187720
>personality disorder
You those incredibly vague descriptions that normals try to force on you if don't want to work or reproduce?
No.188299
I don't know if I'm schizoid, since I didn't get diagnosed by psychologists since personally I don't believe them. (I recognize that there may be good psychologists, like those who write books on this subject, but they are not the ones available)
From what I see of your experiences that you write on web pages, I see that there are many people with the same problem. You have good opinions and in those opinions there are truths.
You have to organize and better articulate what you want to say and express your real reasons why you are like this.
the schizo of today has in their hands truths about relationships today, how empty and meaningless modern western society is, the only thing that sustains this society besides frivolous consumerism, are the romantic and superficial relationships that they have the people of this society, the schizo being immune to this has the ability to see behind the veil.
For one to be someone in this society one has to live in a fantasy, in the fantasy that my happiness is outside of oneself, and it has to be achieved through an economic transaction or through a relationship with another person.
the difference between SJWs (for example) and you is that in addition to being financed, they are organized and have some clear main ideas.
The schizos, being outside the emotional hypnotism that society and advertising impose on them, have great power in their hands. don't feel guilty about why you are like that, schizos can see society and human relationships as they are, without distortion, and they are right, they are not worth it.
Why do schizos get along with animals and not humans? there is love within the schizo, what happens is that in this type of society they realized that it is not worth it. when there is love but there is no society, people to love, schizo is created.
the true social change is achieved by the schizo if they organize themselves, no social group today has the realistic vision of things from a disinterested point of view like the schizo.
Schizoids of the world, unite!>>185955
No.188327
>>187726dont confuse schizoid "with Schizophrenia, Schizotypal personality disorder, Schizoaffective disorder, or Antisocial personality disorder."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder No.188349
so basically schizof is the new ADHD/anxiety? Like all of you saying you have it sound like normal people to me. Hate that you're all getting scammed like this. Haven't any of you noticed the MK801 molecule looks JUST LIKE a haliperidol molecule? There is no schizophrenia
No.188352
>>188349They're not getting scammed. They're just part of a generation where having mental issues is seen as quirky and special. It's stupid
No.188357
>>188352nigger how is that not a scam
No.188358
>>188357I don't think it can be a scam because it's just what they are to begin with. They didn't have the choice. If it's all they've ever known then it just is.
No.188362
>>188358>its a scam because it gets suckers?????? im still lost dude. I am praying for all of you. I am """"bipolar"""" but i only take medicine i grow. (COLORATA GOOGLE IT BUY IT NOW) the discourse ITT reminds me of my old friends that used to be addicted to oxycontin etc. They're just selling you pills- pills of shit that god can give you from the earth for free WAKE UP
No.188363
>>188362>bbbbut i want pot and opium and im scawed!!!lets say you had a little tomato plant right now….. unless its in your front yard under a spotlight who HAS to know you have a single secret plant hidden in your spare rooms closet??? There is no wall penetrating radar thata movie shit + illegal evidence(voyeur) jeez this is my first time on this site im not even a real wizard and i have more power than most of you. What fuck
No.188370
>>188363>There is no wall-penetrating radarIt's called infrared and the feds use it. You'd know that of sure being a fed yourself
No.188388
>>188370>i didnt even read what you said>le spacego back, nigger
No.188389
>>188370Nigger you don’t even know how infrared works do you.
No.188390
>>188349>schizof>There is no schizophrenia>They're just selling you pillsstop talking about schizphrenia jesus
>>188327 No.188391
>>188388You're accusing me of being a faggot ledditor off of 2 sentences get a grip
>>188389The tech that these "people" (demons) have would send you into a never-ending psychosis if you knew
No.188393
>>188392Yeah whatever stick your head in the sand dude I dont' care I'm just a big stupid redditor. Fuck all of you
No.188395
>>188393Yeahwiz, the lizard people are using x-ray goggles to make sure you aren't hiding pot in your closet.
No.188396
The worst part is knowing that I'll probably never be able to get rid of the constant anhedonia.
No.189040
I almost hit the marks on SPD than anything else, but is it worth it to get a proper diagnosis of it? I think my mind is too fucked up for SPD to be the only thing within it, sadly. Though
No.189041
>>189040No. There’s no real attempt to treat to cure any of the withdrawing type disorders that don’t have negative impacts on others (cluster A and AvPD). All diagnoses of anything do is maybe qualify your for disability and maybe disqualify you from owning a gun or adopting.
No.189042
>>186395Would a "jewish truewiz" allegiance be towards other jews or towards wizards? What was their allegiance in every nation they've been from their diaspora to this day?
No.189043
I hear voices when I'm left alone in my apartment, but it disappears when my parents come home. I dunno if that's considered schizophrenia or something else.
No.189044
>>189042antisemitism is just a holdover from christianity because they killed their god. without that there is no reason to single them out over any other mideast tribe like the armenians. maybe a bit annoying and clannish, but nothing to inspire this satanic hate. pagans had nothing against em
No.189046
>>189044Why didn't you answer any of the questions?
No.189047
>>189044Whites dropping like flies. Jews disproportionately represented in various elite positions in key sectors. Posts like yours as the only "answers" people get over a sustained period of time asking honest questions about the world around them. Your "messiah" is the Antichrist and you occupy Palestine and defile it chasing the blasphemy of your people. The hate is very warranted
No.189061
>>189044>strawmans christians as only hating jews because "they killed their god">having a healthy sense of skepticism about the tribe is now "satanic hate"Not that wiz, but pick one bro.
No.189671
>>186353"Wizard" isn't Jewish
No.189697
i have most of the features but i cant STANd criticism.
and schizoids are immune to criticism
it just washes off them
No.189718
>>189700yeah i have almost all those traits. id say im more defined by aspergers, and even when i attempted to be extroverted, my shitty personality pushes people away. i learned to overcome my shyness back when i was a kid, but it didnt help.
the reason i relate to schizoid, is that i had delusions of grandeur, and lived in a fantasy world daydreaming, and thats more schizoid than autist or avoidant.
No.189720
>>189718>the reason i relate to schizoid, is that i had delusions of grandeur, and lived in a fantasy world daydreaming, and thats more schizoid than autist or avoidant.Stop giving a fuck about these meme illnesses. They are written just like horoscopes, to suit everyone on some level. It's a big lie. Unless you believe you are Jesus reincarnated and talk with god casually then you don't have any serious problems.
No.189737
>>189697your soul is not yet dead
No.189853
>>189697schizoids aren't immune to criticism, they just appear immune
No.189938
how do i amplify this and make it look worse to the neetbux doctor? do i need to pretend and change my magic spec to something else
No.189943
>>189938be yourself. worked for me.
No.189973
>>189938I'm interested in this too. I think I'm autistic enough to give "weirdo vibes" (also I'm a +30 years old hikkiNEET, only leave my house to go to the library twice a month) but not enough to get proper NEETbux for life, not even here in Europe. I bet
>>189943 has a point, I wonder what would happen if I was totally honest with a psychiatrist / psychologist like just talk about my sincere promortalist, anti-life, antiwork and extreme pessimistic worldview, maybe I could get a more serious diagnosis from their meme psychiatric handbook.
No.189975
>>189973>>189938To me it seems it paradoxically requires communication skills, lack of anxiety and charisma to be able to interact well enough with doctors to get neetbux and treatment
No.189994
>>189975The system once again proves that it is set up to eradicate those who under-perform. "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and all that
No.190021
i am not really sure what i have
autism
schizophrenia(i was diagnosed with a learning disability but it could be disorganized thinking, and asociality is a symptom of schizophrenia. my brother was diagnosed with schizophrenia. it runs in the family)
schizo personality disorder
aphasia or learning disability( i have memory issues or cognitive issues. i was diagnosed with a learning disability in high school)
it could be either one of these. cognitive issues is one of the main reasons i am asocial, and i can't find work
i am such a cheapskate that i don't want to pay for doctor or psychiatrist to have myself checked out. i don't want to pay for medication and be dependent on medication for the rest of my life.
No.190022
i refuse to see a doctor. same with therapist or whatever you need for bux. i dont want to interact with those kind of people. but this is what modern society has settled on, if you need soemthing you get it through these people. i wish we had robot doctors and therapists that could scan my brain and just give me bux for being retarded
No.190024
yes, althought i would not descirbe it as hell
schizoid is surprisingly accurate in describing wizardly person's traits and disposition
No.190027
>>189975you don't need any of this to see a shrink. as i said i have always been myself and been honest about my situation and it was all it took.
No.190065
>>190022Its even worse, when robots that scan the brain start being popular, the corporations will start opening jobs that are perfect for your particular brain, did you know that you gravitate towards certain professions depending on the areas of the brain you use?
No.190068
>>190065It will never happen. Normalfaggots actually have a tremendous complex about their intelligence, cerebral narcissism is widespread. Because of this, they can only touch on intelligence in roundabout ways like requiring a university degree, giving people a way to cope about "being a different kind of learner" or ADHD if they don't make it. IQ tests, which are pretty good at filtering out actual dummies, aren't widespread for that very reason.
No.190941
>>18631232 year old schizoid here. Is it to late to start anew???
No.190948
>>190947that picture is garbage
No.190949
>>190947I have an intense hatred towards coomers. It seems like there's more of them than ever and they ruin everything they infest.
No.190950
>>190949>jerking off is badok so how do you suggest a wizard gets dopamine, oxytocin, and endorphins?
jerking off is basically the only way you can do all that by yourself, if you aren't burned out on videogames, and aren't autistic enough to derive pleasure from learning and programming or art
No.190959
>>190950I agree, but did you know you don't have to agree with something 100%?
No.190960
no reply to this
>>187715 lol
No.190961
I think schizoids are just people with attachment issues who are depressed and dead inside because of isolation but they're in denial about having a problem. Emotional deadening is a symptom of severe long-term depression. It's not okay just because you don't feel actively bad. You also don't feel actively good or interested in anything.
No.190962
>>190961thanks for the deep insight, facebook man
No.190963
>>19096
some of us are dead from upbringing/traumatic experiences or current living situation
No.190971
>>190961I highly disagree when I was in high school I rejected 3 succubi who were interested in me and I avoided everyone so just to not talk to them.I always liked solitude and silence and find people annoying nuisance.I do have schizoid fantesies like living in anothet planet alone or in antarctica as sole living in high tech bunker.You don’t know anything about schizoids
No.190979
>>190961people simply are who they are. whether aspects of them is a problem or not is dependent on their environment and society's view, it has nothing to do with judgment on the person themself
No.190983
>>190971meh, I still think you're just coping with denial. Basically I just think schizoids are more narcissistic versions of avoidants and unlike avoidants are unable to admit any weakness or fault with themselves. Being afraid of intimacy would be a sign of weakness therefore you say you never wanted intimacy to begin with. It's just sour grapes. Notice how you have to brag about how many succubi you rejected. That is because my post ruffled your feathers and made you search for narcissistic supply. "They're not rejecting me, I'm rejecting them!" It's basically just a response to your internal insecurity.
No.190985
>>186417I can relate, but I think you are overreacting over self-diagnose.
> I can barely think clearly, remember anything, learn, speak. I look and act like a freak, I can't work socialize or go out in public. I can't remember 99% of my life.Me too, but I think it's because lack of proper sleep, sleeping at day and being awake at night, lack of speaking, lack of socializing, brainfog, etc.
>My pupils are constantly dilated, I can't coordinate my movements well, I bump into walls because my depth perception and motor skills are so bad. I have even experienced mild hallucinations, mostly visual and tactile, only had full auditory hallucinations once when smoking weed. Its literally a living purgatory. I have to kill myself soon before I lose the willpower, the impoverishment of my will and thinking has become nearly complete. Hold down, stop with the weed. I relate to that as well, but it's because lack of exercise, not going outside and mine hallucinations are listening people invading my house and maggots inside my skin, so aside the weed, I think you are fine.
>I've read its essentially an attention deficit, those who are schizotypal can't keep up in social situations because they have an extreme attention span deficit. It's hard to say that is attention span deficit when you are in internet 24/7 and full time consuming information. Try get out internet, I did and realized that.
>Anyhow, I am already dead, the person I am is gone, I'm a zombie. Count yourself lucky if you are non psychotic, your problems aren't so bad I promise.You are overreacting, calm down. I feel like a zombied and I want to die too, but I know there's a way and a solution, but it's hard.
No.190987
>>190961Maybe some them, but I feel like this since childhood.
No.190989
>>185955
>describe the hell i have been living inum from a schizoid point of view it is not a hell. they prefer to be away from other people. the fact that you describe it as a hell means you are not a schizoid
No.190993
>>190983You butthurt failed normal think everyone is like you and can’t comprehend that some people just do not want relationships.I never wanted friends even when I was small kid I prefered playing with my toys alone and my mother forced me to play with my brother and other boys which I hated.I despise emotional and physical intimate relationships and failed normals like you could never understand that
No.190995
>>190993just respond to them like i did
>>190962 . such a retarded person isn't worth words.
"you have a problem you dont know you have" is like the definition of feminine psychiatry , it's just so retarded and embarrassing theres nothing more to say. schizoid is a complicated enough disease already on its own, too complicated. but some facebook faggot is going to come and try and add more layers of feminine abstract complexity to it as if he knows anything about anything. and you give him attention for some reason lol
No.191015
>>191014Welp, it finally happened. Every site I visit has the face of one or two of those idiots linked somewhere. Can we move this case to some jurisdiction where both parties are accused of a capital crime and then get shot immediately? There must be an African country somewhere in there we can make this work.
No.191016
>>190983There could be a case where someone is born with no social desires.
There could be another case where they learn to remove their desires in response to social trauma in their childhood.
Both cases lead to the same situation, a person with no social desire, so it makes no real difference. Sour grapes - if so, who gives a shit, why does it matter?
No.191026
i am probably a schizoid because i don't see my lack of a social life as a problem i need to fix
if i am depressed it's because i have no money to live independently. it has nothing to do with the lack of a social life
No.191028
Schizoid personality disorder is interesting because its not often seen as a downside by the people who have it. Psychiatric illness is defined by how an illness effects your ability to engage in work and relationships. But schizoids want to be alone and don't view it as a pathology. I've heard for this reason that the disorder might be under represented since if no one is coming forwards for 'treatment' its hard to say what the prevalence might be.
If no one is seeking treatment, few are being diagnosed, and 'impairment' doesn't exist for the client to be considered as having a disorder. So what's more likely is a psychiatrist might note that you have 'schizoid tendencies' rather than diagnosing you with a personality disorder. Even if you probably met the criteria for it. I think personality disorders are a speciality, too, so you would also have to find psychiatrists who were familiar with them. Actual schizoids would be very rare.
No.191031
>>191028Spot on, anon. I was diagnosed with SPD about half a year ago and you've reminded me of a previous psychiatrist who noted "schizoid tendencies" years beforehand.
I didn't look into it much then, and even with the diagnosis itself I'm not too bothered. When you speak to these people especially in a clinical setting, it's as if they're rapid-firing memorized questions and responses; they don't seem to care about looking deeper so much as diagnosing ASAP and prescribing or adjusting meds. At least that was my experience; it made me question what exactly drives the psychiatric field and if one should fixate on their diagnosis too much.
As for meds they've been largely ineffective or detrimental (I'd suggest anyone interested to look into the chemistry behind these). Antipsychotics zombify and usually come with "secondary" meds which are given to suppress side-effects such as akathisia. SSRIs feel like placebo in my case. Benzos have possibly got me hooked for life, and even though I was overusing/abusing, the addictive properties of this stuff are severely under-reported.
I'd advise people not to trust anyone blindly, and if you meet with a therapist don't hesitate to voice your concerns. One way or another they're paid to provide you a service — you are their client.
No.191038
How TF do I get on xanax? I always keep getting prescribed ssri
No.191040
>>191028Not being able to enjoy anything and being disabled by apathy is a downside.
No.191047
>>191038Look up whatever it’s used to treat and parrot a subjective description of the symptoms of that to a doctor. They’ll feel smart for identifying the name for it and think it’s their idea. If you straight up say “I have anxiety and want Xanax” it’s a coin toss on whether they are secure enough to take you at your word or decide it threatens them and deny you.
No.191366
>>190941You're not too old.
The trick is that you aren't competing against anyone, you are only competing against who you were yesterday.
Focus only on your personal quest. If anyone is saying something that is holding you back (e.g. someone saying "you're too old"), ignore them completely.
Also the progress will be slow at first. Thus, learning to appreciate small steps forward is a key skill for the early stages.
No.191371
>>186417Yeah that attention deficit issues are a drain for people with schizotypal like me. I'm diagnosed schizotypal.
No.191372
>>186417>>191371I have psychotic symptoms or extreme narcasssism and my psychologist said schizotypals can be psychotic. I was/am psychotic.
No.191374
>>187726Schizotypal here I'm hoping to get a work from home job.
No.191375
>>191014Corrupted by YouTube fame.
No.192274
>>190986I only managed to succeed with nofap because my anhedonia got even worse.
No.192353
>>192341Schizoids can be normalfags with friends, a job, education and romantic partners. Or so I've read when I search around for schizoid. Really, they shouldn't, because I can't imagine myself having any of those things.
So maybe it's like how normalfags co-opted Depression to mean feeling kinda sad sometimes. Everyone is calling themselves schizoid .
No.192365
>>192353Those are just Americans diagnosed with whatever the fuck they want.
>So maybe it's like how normalfags co-opted Depression to mean feeling kinda sad sometimes. Everyone is calling themselves schizoid .Exactly.
No.192366
>>192353So that's a no good divider then, kusottare.
No.192401
>>192353There is no way a schizoid could live a life like that, its just straight impossible.
No.192404
>>192401Oh I think it's possible, just in the same way it would be possible for someone allergic to fur to run a kennel, it would be wearysome but a lot of things can be forced.
No.192532
i think a lot of people glossed over this, but looking into further literature on the topic, being "exquisitely sensitive" seems to be touted as one of the main characteristics of a schizoid. in the wikipedia page this is mentioned like twice so its easy to miss, but consistently you will see researchers starting off their descriptions of SPD by trying to emphasize how sensitive schizoids are. i feel like i can fully identify with SPD like many others here but i dont at all see myself being overly sensitive. i wonder do any of you guys feel that youre really sensitive? or maybe the doctors are just wrong in their descriptions of SPD?
No.192534
>>192532I’m really sensitive in sense bad experiences from the past makes me still feel bad even after long time.
No.192541
>>192534Same. Even minor gaffs or awkwardness eats me up inside for at least a full week, and thinking about it long after it's faded from conscious memory is still painful. It's probably experienced as a unique form of sensitivity from what normalfags would typically think of.
No.192555
>>192532Yes. As a kid the bullies figured out how fragile I was. Shoot me a look and it completely ruins me. I don't know if it makes sense but there this sniveling rat fuck look that bullies get on their face. I conditioned to suppress showing any positive emotion because they were always waiting to pounce at the slightest crack of a smile to knock me down. I think they relish in how easy I was.
One memory in particular hit me hard. As a teen I was at a theme park. On a ride I got caught in the moment outwardly expressing my enjoyment. Some douche mockingly mirrored the way I was in the moment. I can still remember to this day my face immediately just dropped blank, shoulders sunk, and I sat silently until the ride was over. I put my head down and shuffled away quickly. Whole day ruined. Whole life since then it still nags me.
Am I exquisitely sensitive? I'd say so. I'm still like this to this day. Minor stumbles which don't seem to faze the average person can bother me for years.
No.192556
>>192532i dont think im more sensitive than anyone else, maybe being somewhat autistic dampens it
No.192557
Probably most of us. You do know these disorders are political diagnoses? If you have no one and nothing, and you've been shunned by society as most of us have, you're going to withdraw and become listless because there really isn't much point to life. We're always political animals and we can only deny it for so long. Humanity is just taking the mask off and showing what they always were. The idea that we were ever going to have a world where we could get along was always a myth, barely believed. If you've been paying attention, the real plan has been clear for a long time, and in the 1990s they were already coming out with grand plans to eliminate people who no longer served any function in society. There was no longer a need for soldiers or labor in the way they were needed during the 20th century, and the leaders of the world never wanted us in their society from the start. We were only pretending we had a place for a time, because it was possible then.
No.192603
>>192557>Probably most of usNo, I have to disagree. Receding from society does not make you schizoid. The principle schizoid trait is the lack of desire for personal relationships. I rarely, if ever, see this type of behavior.
It's always "I tried to find friends/a girlfriend/a place in society but I was shunned so I gave up" When in my case I never desired it at all.
No.192616
>>192603Normal people don't actually desire personal relationships in the way we're supposed to believe is "normal". In modern society we are fed very maladaptive ideas of what friendship and marriage entailed. Historically, marriage had nothing to do with love or the psychological games people play, and had everything to do with money, business, social standing. That's really how it remains even now, but there is a whole elaborate ritual where we are not allowed to speak openly about how relationships of that sort are actually arranged (hint, it's underground orgies for the "liberated" types). As for friendships, the social forms of the past century are designed specifically to prohibit friendships and all the ways people used to share a common cause. The totalitarian societies of the 20th century were all premised on the State and its institutions intervening in the most minute affairs, and putting a stopper in any organic structure the people might have made for themselves, democratic or otherwise. That's why you have cops and lawyers and social workers and psychologists and a whole system of experts telling you literally everything you can do. It's why you have ridiculous levels of lawfare and institutions that are all designed to kill you. In that environment, people who are worn out, cast out of society, or just useless to the society, become "schizoid", or "bipolar", or various other categories which basically amount to "worthless human being". Ask any psychologist what they actually think, and they will tell you they think the mental defectives really are just worthless people and need to be removed from society. They have multiple strategies on how to remove those people. It used to be they just said "retarded" or "insane", and everything was tied into some conception of intelligence that was given outsized importance. Without an actual theory of psychology at the basic level, it was always going to be politicized.
The symptoms of being "schizoid" have a lot to do with someone who is listless, who likely is treated like shit from an early age, who is typically male, who is often put through remedial education in some way or another and told from birth they are worthless, who is told by the whole society that they should have been aborted. If that is the world they live in, it is likely that they would become fatigued and their brains would literally rot from being starved out of meaningful belonging. Add to that a society which poisons people and seeks to drive people insane with increasingly absurd rules for the most basic social participation and outrageous double-standards, and then consider that the people in favored positions announce they want to depopulate the world and get rid of people who are no longer useful for them. It's designed to destroy people, and the people have been destroyed over the past several decades. I didn't even get into the experiment with mass drugging, the social experiments in the schools, or the shit they've done with our food and water to drive down quality. Then people are subjected to "healthcare" which is entirely driven by eugenicist goals and openly throws away the unwanted parts of the populace. It's like night and day how differently I am treated at the hospital than a normal. I've seen it enough. They won't do a damn thing for me unless I'm ready to lawyer and basically diagnose myself.
No.192617
>>192616If everyone encountered this many stone walls of rejection anywhere they go when they speak to the world, they would become listless. How can anyone tear themselves apart trying to work against a world that clearly doesn't want them? What started as a speech impediment or some minor social dysfunction is turned into total social death. This is not entirely new - stutterers used to be just killed on sight - but it has become a science and now it is a social obligation to uphold eugenics.
No.192618
>>192616you have a very strong opinion on this. i was never treated like shit
No.192621
>>192616Have you ever perhaps tried to accept some sliver of personal responsibility for the way you turned out, instead of going on ridiculous persecutory rants? Whatever the reason (and it's often irrelevant especially as you get older), some people just do not give a shit about forming relationships. That's all it is.
No.192624
>>192618>>192621Please go back to wherever you came from.
No.192625
>>192621How can personal responsibility exist when there is no free will and we are entirely shaped by a combination of random factors (our genetics and upbringing)? You are missing the most basic logic, tied down by broken cultural concepts
No.192626
>>192616You're trying to co-opt the schizoid label as a method of societal criticism. As if people who secluded themselves from society never existed in the past (e.g christian monks).
No.193115
>>185959Because they want to play a trick on you, so may never fully heal from whatever you have… which is not being schizoid by itself, it seems
>let's normalize this weirdo a bit and then we'll be able to have lunch in peace No.193116
>>192341closest thing is schizoids.net/forum but it's filled with quite unusual people
No.193120
I decided to go get a diagnosis for SPD because the lack of motivation was really annoying, and I figured I could at least see if medication helped.
No.193156
>>193120Motivation can't be given by a drug. I've tried all the stimulants and several SSRIs. Motivation is internal it comes from emotions or strong values, which schizoids have neither. I am trying to be content with living as a person with no goals or hobbies.
No.195581
>>193156bupropion seems to be working well for now
No.195588
It's funny how much of these "diagnostics" are pure projection of other peoples' bullshit. I don't "live in my own world". I live in the actual world and have been rejected from the proper, political society, as have a lot of other people. How can I associate with people who immediately reject me on sight because I look funny? I've tried and it never ends well. Yet, I'm talking to you good people, and I've managed to find a way to interface with the world to the extent I am allowed to. It was never going to be much, but whose fault is that exactly? I don't expect other people to ever let me join them for much of anything. It really does become lonely here, and despite their stupid beliefs, I do enjoy the company of others and having dialogue. I might be one of the few who actually likes humans in this world, which probably makes me sicker. Most people only really like their buddies who will enable their bullshit, and the moment that is no longer possible, your "friends" will just throw you to the wolves. That's how they do it in the military culture, for sure. They'd be stupid if they didn't do it that way and maintained some stupid sentimentality.
If you dealt with what these things actually were neurologically, or what the actual behavior and thought process was, it would be far less useful politically. If you acknowledged this as what it was, you'd have to confront some ugly truths about humanity and the pretenses we make about this society. Everyone is a potential "schizoid" by these definitions. All it requires is for someone to be fingered and broken successfully, and then the pattern can be become learned. Some may be more breakable than others, some may have a stutter or some neurological defect that makes them vulnerable to attack, but it is in the end a political decision to decide if someone is defective and unfit for society. I've seen so many obviously deranged people held up as paragons of sanity. It's why we're told Elon Musk is great when he's obviously autismo and a gigantic jackass.
No.195589
>>192621"Personal responsibility" is a codeword for someone who is targeted for humiliation and told to blame themselves for things which are obviously the work of other people. They don't care about anything I actually did, unless they can use it as a pretext to start their screeching again. They only want me to die as soon as possible, and any other behavior is immediately suspect. I've tried working with them. They do not want me to live, or most of us.
>>192625"Free will" exists, unless you're ascribing to nature a general will that is conscious in the way we are, which it doesn't actually possess. If you're speaking of a strictly materialistic, scientific explanation, individual actors are as free as they can be until some external force presses against them. There's no "force of nature" compelling universal behaviors. There are, of course, other people who are actors like yourself, in a struggle for life and dominance. That's politics, and until recently, we thought of humans as political animals. Anyway, enough of that… it's a childish retard topic because we live under eugenics, and eugenics makes these stupid non-arguments and fake controversies all the time to sell its essentially Satanic world-system.
>>192626I never said the same factors today weren't present in the past. There have always been losers in society and places to sort people who weren't meant for civilization. What exists today is very different from what existed in the past, and it is mystification and "history is bunk" nonsense to claim otherwise. People do this because they want to screech like retards about things to make them true.
>>192618Not every is treated like shit in the same way. If you managed to slip past the filter until you got charged with a crime and did time in a psych ward / prison, you're going to have a much better time of it. Sped is death. Really, if you see a kid in sped, just try to tell him as kindly as you can that he should kill himself now. It will never, ever be better for him, and he shouldn't contribute to this monstrosity of a society. I wish I didn't have to say this, and that there was something for us, but it really is that bad. I live on purely out of spite and the hope that this nightmare could be changed in some small way for the others, if they can avoid the screening process. If they are like me, I feel obligated to try and hide us from this beast, or at least tell them that it really wasn't going to be any different and they shouldn't be surprised at what humans are. It would be better if there were such a thing as clean death, but Satanic societies do not believe in that.
No.195590
>>195589Caveat of course is that some people can survive the sped gauntlet if they aren't "actually" defective, and find a way to act in spite of the system.
No.195603
>>195588I have nothing to add, but all of this is 100% correct and well said.
No.195612
do you idiots know how rare it is to actually find someone who fits the diagnostics of this disorder? I worked at the front desk of a psychiatric office for 5 years and never encountered a single person who came in with or was given that diagnosis. The one person I do know, who was given a diagnosis of "mild" schizoid-like traits, basically raised himself from birth after his mother died at age 2 and he was passed over to an old demented grandmother with basically zero contribution from any other family member. He also has a social life and full-time job, has had girlfriends and even bitches chasing after him, he just exists as a husk of a human being running on elaborate autopilot with almost no real relationships outside of work friends and hobby handouts. Meeting him initially you can almost mistake him for just being an introvert but long term examination will quickly reveal the rotten empty core carefully covered up by the potemkin's village of work related smalltalk and acceptable participation in normie hobbies.
No.195625
>>195612I’m diagnosed as schizoid at age 16, I’m 29 now but schizoids never seeks help from psychologists or anyone else. I truly fit the entire criteria of it but unlike guy you described I did not get much attention from succubi except in high school.
No.195627
>>195612there is no reason you should ever see a real schizoid seeking help from the momfuckers
No.195628
>>195612>do you idiots know how rare it is to actually find someone who fits the diagnostics of this disorder?The operative word here is find. Someone who fits the diagnostics is most likely to be unseen, and unheard; and they like it that way too.
No.195630
>>195612That's just because psych stuff is a scam and they could probably sell more meds and procedures with other diagnosis.
No.195632
How do I go about getting properly diagnosed without being thrown in a mental ward?
No.195635
>>195628>>195630If they do present for treatment then it's for something like depression related to existential loneliness like the example I gave above . There is no financial need to "misdiagnosis" someone like that with something else.
>>195628This is true, but I doubt that it has an impact and overall tiny percentage of people who could theoretically be diagnosed under that criteria. It's not difficult to see after the initial encounter ands their would be anecdotal evidence by now of a huge population of hidden schizoids existing side-by-side with the rest of humanity that don't seek out treatment.
No.195637
>>195632Why would you want to?
No.195638
>>195635I think we're in danger of drifting off target here. In your original post you seemed to be implying that the diagnosis is rare—thus the 'idiots' in the thread were mistaken in believing that they would probably meet the diagnostic criteria. Is that a correct interpretation on my part?
If so, then I would just say that a diagnosis can be both rare amongst 'humanity' as a whole as you put it, and relatively common within specific populations. Looking at it this way, I don't see it as unreasonable that it could be a somewhat common thing for the members of this site—one exclusively for male virgins who (ostensibly) eschew romantic relationships, social relationships, and may even be NEET etc.
Were this any other chan (i.e. full of normalfags and failed normalfags), I could perhaps see your point though.
No.195639
>>195612>>hmm these guys prefer to be alone in isolation… why wont they visit normville headquarters and talk with ratjew doctors?!!! why wont they let us help them!!??why SHOULD they go to a fucking psych? and what would they do anyways? give them a cocktail of drugs because talk therapy (the only real treatment for personality disorders) doesn't work for schizoids? they think they are normal, but even if they recognize something is 'wrong', that doesn't seem to bother them
>lifelong pattern of indifference to others and social isolation>people with this personality disorder rarely seek treatment>people with this disorder often won't seek treatment>people with schizoid personality disorder usually only seek treatment for a related problem, such as depression>people with schizoid personality disorder tend not to seek out treatment>social isolation often prevents the person from asking for help or support>people with this disorder may have a hard time forming a good working relationship with a therapist>they tend to view their condition as not conflicting with their self-image and their abnormal perceptions and behaviors as rational and appropriate>people who have the disorder rarely seek treatment>they do not think there is anything wrong>most sufferers do not seek or want help, due to their preference for social isolation>the schizoid personality is infrequently taught, rarely understood, and has few established clinical treatment recommendations. It is not usual to find that often clinicians can do little more than throw their hands up in the air, and dismiss these patients as untreatable using established treatments No.195648
>>195639I don't think schizoid personality disorder is even a disorder tbh. It's just a person who enjoys their own company and feels satisfied with what they have. I can understand why it's thought of as a 'disorder' though. In psychology: literally every experiment related to the deprivation of affection or isolated lead to the subject becoming depressed. But I argue that this isn't necessarily the case with the schizoid. They aren't 'normal' in the sense that they don't require interpersonal contact to be happy. But nevertheless, the field can't help but compare them to regular people who do need such contact.
I feel like a better comparison would be autism spectrum disorder (ASD.) People with ASD can have all kinds of functioning. They can become obsessed with a special interest or certain peculiar details. These aspects of autism can be an edge in certain fields that require that level of focus. Tech is a very good example. How many engineers have autism / are on the autism spectrum? If two engineers have kids the chances of their off-spring having autism go up astronomically. But I digress: there is increasingly a view that such people are 'neurodivergent' or different. They don't always just have negative symptoms. Schizoids are the same, IMO. Can you imagine how well a schizoid would do on a remote research post (with no humans) or even in space where they will never feel lonely? But NASA doesn't want anyone who even remotely aren't normalfags. So I doubt we'll ever see schizoid astronauts (who would fugging dominate.)
No.195653
>>195648personality disorders in general are all like that, they aren't mentally ill or anything. any abnormality or deviation from cultural norms is bad, bad bad bad. psych is inherently negative and doesn't really look at the positives the individual gains from thinking and behaving that way
>you NEED to be socializing>you need to want to be in a relationship so fucking bad it destroys your life and steers you blindly>you MUST want to go and hang out with your coworkers because it's normal!>you must want to be in a relationship!!!>why are you alone, this freak is abnormal!!! No.195657
>>195638Yes, that was my initial point. I see what you are saying as well, and would even agree to a certain extent, but that isn't ultimately the point. You can argue schizoid is the lowest level of developmental failure, worst than even the most nonfunctional narcs and bpd freaks.
There are so many more likely diagnostic frameworks like the above mentioned NPD, quiet BPD and even basic ass autism that creates the same kind of social outcomes you outlined. The amount of emotional investment/butthurt on the subject from so many posters is the biggest red flag IMO, that schizoid is not applicable for them
>>195648more recent research has indicated many schizoids do in suffer from chronic existential loneliness, but lack the emotional infrastructure to either consciously feel, be aware of, or express this fact, and working towards developing that framework in any way would constitute a life threatening
peril to their highly primitive and undeveloped sense of self, so they stay in their cozy zone where they feel safe.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/247919672_Schizoid_personality_disorder_linked_to_unbearable_and_inescapable_lonelinessYou can def argue that a lack of desire to change their situation is an indication that there is no disorder. However, it's a fact that this set of behaviors and life choices inhibits a person's ability to function and/or thrive over their lifetime in various ways (even if they manage to achieve the basic societal demands of interpersonal independence, employment, and even superficial interest in others) and is associated with net negative outcomes over a lifetime, so is it, in fact a disorder, unless we are doing that "my autism is a superpower" bullshit now
There is also no gold standard that this criteria cannot overlap with other, more typically hated personality disorder criteria. My one in the wild encounter with a actual diagnosed schizoid also displayed classic signs of vulnerable/butthurt narcissism, fishing for pity, ect
No.195664
>>195657>suffer from chronic existential loneliness, but lack the emotional infrastructure to either consciously feel, be aware of, or express this fact, and working towards developing that framework in any way would constitute a life threatening peril to their highly primitive and undeveloped sense of self, so they stay in their cozy zone where they feel safe.
This is basically how I was like when I was 18 - 23. I never thought about social relationships but whenever I somehow ended up around people I felt rattled. It was like being forced to confront how normal people gained substantial benefit from their relations. Yet I could not form a human connection in the same way as them. Even if a person 'liked' me I felt no sense of connection towards them. Not in a weird sociopathic way - but something was missing.
In social situations I would sit there and think about how all my relationships were basically just caricatures of the role I was expected to play. I had family members who 'loved me' but never felt love. I had friends who wanted to spend time with me but always felt alone. If I spent time with anyone I'd would actually only make me feel more lonely. I would sit and think about how what I was experiencing wasn't the same as anyone else was experiencing.
I had no desire to connect with other people but being around them made me feel like I was doing something wrong. Everywhere I looked I would see people –together–, happy, and smiling. I came to resent the fact that I was feeling like such a freak for not wanting that. I just wanted to be myself. To do something alone and not be thought of as some fucking weirdo. As an adult you can do whatever you want and people won't bother you. But this was not really possible as a young person unless you want to attract negative attention. It's hard to avoid people and go unnoticed if you're in high school or college.
No.195668
>>195648It's a disorder because of the secondary effects: apathy, anhedonia, etc. I would agree that if not for those effects it would not qualify as a disorder.
No.195669
>>195632You just ask you family doctor(assuming you have one) and tell them you think you have spd. They then refer you to a psychologist who performs an assessment and provides a recommendation for further action. Schizoids are not psychotic so their not going to put you into a mental ward, unless they don't know the difference between schizoid and schizophrenia like most of the people in this thread. I doubt you'd get neetbux unless you live in a nordic country.
No.195706
Checking in.
Got diagnosed at 15. At this time my parents couldn't understand why I didn't show any display of affection towards family members or friends. I was not resenting then and there was nothing wrong. Precisely, I felt nothing for them. I didn't wish them harm but I didn't want to be around them either. Being skyizioid is basically seeing people as objects. You may like some for their usefulness, aesthetics or simply out of habit, but you do not get attached to them in a emotional way.
I don't have trouble making friends but keeping them is almost impossible because I do not feel the need for interaction. I never text, never initiate contact and feel extremely disturbed if they call or invite me somewhere when I didn't plan for it. I also don't care about their problems and emotions and can't relate when they try to get sympathy. The most difficult aspect of being schizoid is not being alone or not feeling anything, it is seeing people around you being hurt by what you are and not understanding why.
It was especially hard with my mom. Sometimes she cried when I told her I didn't care about anyone (which I shouldn't have done, but I was young…) and she sees that I respect and like her out of gratitude and habit, but I don't feel anything more.
To me, this a blessing. It negates the effects of loneliness to a great extent and keeps me from being too depressed by wizardhood. I have a theory that SPD is in fact a coping mechanism for the brain for lonely people. I've read that it can come from negative reinforcement during childhood if social interactions are perceived as undesirable for various reasons (abuse, neglect, bullying, betrayal…). I don't really fit this profile but I find it interesting.
No.195707
>>195706Your description sounds more like psychopathy to me, since you seem to lack empathy
No.195708
>>195648Schizoidism would be God Tier if I could enjoy myself. It would be the highest form of the ascetic lifestyle.
No.195710
>>195707No. Psycopathy includes lack of guilt and self-preservation instinct, impulsiveness and is often associated with self-destructive or harmful behavior. SPD is not.
A psychopath may want to harm someone and feel fun/pleasure in doing so. A schizoid wouldn't because he wouldn't get a reward from it. Although I could argue that schizoids may make excellent executioners or hitmen because of their lack of empathy.
No.195720
>>195706I've never been diagnosed with anything, but I can relate to everything you've said. I can't ever see myself making friends and having to interact with them daily for years.
I wasn't like this from the start though, at age 10-12 I had to spend months at a time trapped in my house, I would speak less than 10 sentences a day when I wasn't, mostly relying on nodding and shaking my head to get my point across, I got dragged to several psychiatrists and was humiliated on a daily basis for years, to the point I was thinking of killing myself every day from the humiliation alone. Then at age 14-15, when the trauma had properly sunk in, I just completely stopped giving a shit what people think and lost my social anxiety simultaneously, and I have not once tried to initiate social contact willingly since then.
No.197781
>>192341there is a german forum dedicated to that, mostly populated by people older than 30. here the link
https://www.schizoide-forum.de/ No.197842
>>195639>>195648https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder#Criticism>determination of what qualify as "impairments" or as "negative outcomes" is itself potentially subject to cultural bias. People with SzPD may not regard a lack of social-status or successful relationships, for example, as a harm. Furthermore, correlation with negative outcomes does not necessarily demonstrate that these outcomes were directly caused by the schizoid traits. Rather, it may be that these outcomes are the result of discrimination against people with SzPD, who may be viewed as abnormal.This makes me want to write a "How to live with SzPD" book.
No.197877
>>197842>This makes me want to write a "How to live with SzPD" book.But there's no way to live with it. at least I've never found a way. If you get no pleasure out of anything, and you don't even have motivation to do the things in the first place, how can you progress toward any stability? I can see myself just becoming homeless because I don't give a fuck and have never given a fuck.
No.197895
>>197877I don't care about curing it, I want to stay a hermit. I'm also apathetic about apathy (which I think is a more consistent response, but that's neither here nor there). Regardless, I do think there are a number of other things that would help me out. Let's go through some of the things on the list on Wikipedia:
>a lack of interest in social relationshipsA list of methods for how to politely exit social situations, or what is the bare minimum.
>a tendency toward a solitary or sheltered lifestyleLogistics for how to efficiently live alone
>secretivenessPrivacy guide
>emotional coldnessBasics for spotting certain emotions and how to react to them. (how to fake it so others don't notice)
>detachment and apathyI'm apathetic to this one.
>Affected individuals may be unable to form intimate attachments to others and simultaneously possess a rich and elaborate but exclusively internal fantasy world.Tulpa/world-building/etc. guide (Sidenote: isn't it weird how some of the things on this list contradict others on this list? E.g., "possess a rich and elaborate fantasy world," yet "lack of deriving enjoyment from most activities")
>Other associated features include stilted speechCommon enunciation errors to look out for.
>a lack of deriving enjoyment from most activitiesDon't care about this one.
>feeling as though one is an "observer" rather than a participant in lifeThis one is nice.
>an inability to tolerate emotional expectations of othersRoll into the emotion guide above.
>apparent indifference when praised or criticizedEtiquette rules for this.
>a degree of asexualityThis hasn't been a problem for me.
>and idiosyncratic moral or political beliefs.How to hide your power level.
No.197896
>>197895You know thinking about it more, I think I could make an anhedonia guide. I mean, expectations have to be lowered. It wouldn't be a cure for anhedonia, but rather some tips and tricks for how to cope with it.
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Dammit, you actually have me writing up a document, and I'm getting overwhelmed by how much there is to write and the monumental nature of the task.
No.197929
>>197896let's hear your solution to anhedonia
No.197958
>>197942I will follow your work with great interest.
No.198027
I have this according to the psychiatrist my parents took me when I was teen. I don't understand why do other fellow schizoids suffer because of it, for my case I find being alone simply comfy
No.198053
>>197942Regarding topics for conversations with normies… the bulk of socialization is selfreferential, as in they talk about other social events in the past. e.g. :
>yesterday I met with Brad>Oh and what did you talked about?>oh we talked about how the previous day I met with Alice and how the week before I went for drinks with CarolGuess what the normie talked about with Carol and Alicd?
You cannot fake your way in as someone who doesnt frequently socialize, it's kind of a catch22 where you need to socialize to socialize
I hope this makes sense, which im not sure it does anymore
No.198090
Actual psychiatric patient here, I got a diagnosed personality disorder and I know many patients with them.
Doctors do not diagnose personality disorders in minors, and SchizoidPD is one of the rarest personality disorders. I call bullshit on everyone saying "I got diagnosed as a teen", it's impossible to diagnose a personality disorder in a minor, a doctor needs to analyze if your disruptive behavior and symptoms have been permanent and pervasive for MANY years and that usually happens around 25 in the case of men.
Personality disorders are not personality traits, they're serious psychiatric diagnoses with permanent biological symptoms and irreparable cognitive deficiencies. An actual Schizoid would be so impaired he wouldn't even browse forums like this.
Also, Schizotypical and Schizoid are not remotely similar to Schizophrenia. I.E. You can be Schizotypical or Schizoid without suffering from psychotic symptoms, on the other hand all Schizophrenics struggle with psychotic symptoms.
No.198093
>>198090>An actual Schizoid would be so impaired he wouldn't even browse forums like this.The fuck are you talking about?
No.198126
>>198090
>Personality disorders are not personality traits, they're serious psychiatric diagnoses with permanent biological symptoms and irreparable cognitive deficiencies. Nope, this is silly. I personally knew 4 people who were diagnosed with borderline personality disorder at 17 years old. In theory your comment should all be true (except for saying a schizoid wouldnt even use a forum, that doesnt fit with literature), but the psychiatric system is a complete joke now
No.198154
>>198126>>198126>I personally knew 4 people who were diagnosed with borderline personality disorder at 17 years oldNo you don't personally know these people because they do not exist. Doctors DO NOT diagnose personality disorders on minors. It's literally impossible to tell if a minor has a PD,and treatment is reserved for adults.
Doctors know this too, obviously. No one will risk a malpractice lawsit just like that.
BPD is by far the most common and one of the most severe and impairing personality disorders (when the patient actually has it. Stacies pretending to be borderline do not count).
No.198159
>>198154maybe things are done differently in my country (australia). some of them were on antipsychotic drugs, all of them cutting themselves, threatening suicide and all locked up at some point or another
No.198189
>>198090>Doctors do not diagnose personality disorders in minorsLol yes they do. I know they aren’t supposed to, but they 100% do. My parents had Munchausen’s by proxy with me and I was “diagnosed” with at least one by shady warehouse office psychs.
No.198190
>>198126>I personally knew 4 people who were diagnosed with borderline personality disorder at 17 years old. This is the worst one to commit medical malpractice for since almost every 12-20 year old meets the criteria for it because of hormones and lagging frontal lobe development.
No.198191
>>1981599 times out of 10 this is just a kid getting severely beaten or molested at home every day. BPD isn’t real. There’s only ASPD and PTSD, and ASPDs don’t cut themselves.
No.198192
>>198191I think all or most cluster B personality disorders have a common theme and possibly can even morph into each other. The g factor.
And child hood sexual trauma is a known contributor to personality and mood disorders, certainly self harming or acting out violently externally to reenact the trauma.
No.198195
>>198192Sure for the other cluster Bs. BPD is still in all cases misdiagnosed ASPD or PTSD. It’s like how Freud invented the Oedipus/Electra complex to explain away all his patients reporting sexual abuse by a parent and pretend they were lying, and smear them by association by lumping them in with actually deranged incest fetishists. It is a totally fictitious disorder.
No.198196
>>198195Does that mean the BPD treatments are ineffective compared to than those? ASPD doesnt seem to have many or any treatments.
No.198201
>>198196Most BPD treatments also work on PTSD. Since it is PTSD. It doesn’t work if they’re ASPD, or if they’re just untreatable for severity reasons. I know this sounds like circular reasoning, but it’s also exactly what would be happening if I’m right.