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 No.186583

What is your life philosophy in as few words as possible? What is your primary rule for life, your compass and lantern to guide you when times are foggy and dark?

 No.186584

to have fun

 No.186586

>>186583
evict all delusion

 No.186587

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Our third eyes were closed for a reason

 No.186589

reduce suffering

 No.186590

Wait for death. Practice self-maintenance. Regard the brain as your mortal enemy and sole problem to solve.

 No.186595

>>186587
A reason that may not be in our best interest

 No.186606

Speed up the collapse of industrial civilization.

 No.186615

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I don't wanna work!

 No.186620

Life sucks shit and then you die.
For some, they eat a bigger piece of shit than others. Like me.

The guy who spends 5000 hours researching history and religion has now arrived at the very same destination as the guy who played video games for 5000 hours: nowhere. There's no such thing as a waste of time. The information regarding either medicine or anime will both serve no function whatsoever. People should do whatever the fuck they want and not feel bad about it.

The mind is the only escape from this place, and it's better than anything here. If you can't construct fantasy worlds in your imagination then you should kill yourself. Nothing here compares.

Animals are better than people and it's why I don't eat them.

 No.186621

>>186620
Follow-up post:
Nobody has answers to your problems. All you can RE: mental health crises is wait for them to go away. You won't get some dumb fuck normalfag to say the magic word and suddenly make you feel better. Neither will you here in this place.
Don't expect anybody to help you. Waiting is the only medicine.

I've had people say exactly what I wanted to hear at me many times and I felt no different after hearing it.

 No.186622

>>186621
Last one is a quote from The Sopranos: "America is the only country where the people expect life to be good".
Life shitting on you doesn't hurt as badly if you remember that it's supposed to be shit and that you only think it's supposed to be a good time because of American programming.
Everyone is a fucked up retard not worth your time and all of them are suffering in a unique way even if they appear otherwise.

 No.186626

>>186621
>Don't expect anybody to help you. Waiting is the only medicine.
>Animals are better than people and it's why I don't eat them.
>>186622
>it's supposed to be shit
>Everyone is a fucked up retard not worth your time and all of them are suffering in a unique way even if they appear otherwise.

excellent points

A qualification on the "waiting" which, again, may just be my ignorance - I would instead substitute "applicable knowledge" where waiting is the bed of roses
For example, if you have the knowledge that life is mostly shit, that no one will help you, that most people tell each other lies and support parasitical structures, that mind is body & body is mind, you can claw your way out from hell, reconstruct your inner world

Comparably, the knowledge found from diving into religion is inconsequential, they are their own mental prisons. History holds some nuggets on how humanity functions, it just depends on your end goals. Most history can feel rather shallow and inapplicable beyond observation.

Knowledge without application is useless, such as mental diagnosis - what is one to do with this other than feel worse about it? disregard, along with all of the other mental constructs people set up, make your own

 No.186640

don't get attached to anything in this three dimensionnal hell

reject reptilians / the tunnel / the white light, escape from the empire of the Demiurge, the lion headead snake also known as Samael, Yaldabaoth, Saklas, Yahweh, Allah, Adam Kadmon, the god of the blind, the creator, Cronus, Chronos, Keyvan, Zuhal, Shani, Tetzqatlipoca, Baron Samedi, Brahman, Saturn

 No.186643

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Hedonism. Not an epicurean, I don't like asceticism and I don't particularly care about "virtue" either. I try to reach ataraxia or nirvana in my own way, through as much pleasure as possible.
Materialism. There doesn't exist any higher reality or being. We are trapped in the cave Plato, sorry.
Individualism-egoism. My own survival/pleasure comes first, then everyone else. I don't care about the collective, there are some kind of people I sympathize with, but the majority can go fuck itself.
Nihilism. Universal morals are the products of normalfags. Make up your own moral code and disregard society.

Politically, I would advocate for aristocracy or fascism, IF I got to be in power. If not, meaning I would still be an average guy, then nordic style mixed capitalism with lots of free stuff for people who hate working, like me.

 No.186654

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The best thing you can hope for in life is people who love you and health insurance

 No.186660

Why do Chameleons change colour?
Because all the Chameleons who didn't died.
Just a Chameleon who can't change colours.

 No.186661

>>186654
Not thinking even a bit about being needy of some B plan? Unwizardly.

 No.186662

>>186587
What could you ever know about that?

 No.186674

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I dont know shit, but from my nihlistic worldview, I can say that Gnosticism makes the most sense, and that the world was created by an evil being.

 No.186684

>>186583
I live a simple life. I don't fall to consumerism like most people. I basically just chill play a few games that i've been playing for 10 years, smoke weed, and work a job. I take it very easy and don't overwhelm myself.

 No.186685

>>186674
Now the only question is whether the creations of this vile god (us) can be better than our creator or are we fated to be psychopaths and demons like the demiurge is? Should we try to ascend to some idealistic heights or should we accept our bestial nature?

 No.186688

The human brain is ridiculously powerful and in most people it goes under-utilized. With only average intelligence we can learn subjects to the graduate level. The Internet gives us access to unlimited knowledge. Even knowledge of medicine is possible to learn by reading text books, doing interactive case studies, and so on.

It's highly advantageous to learn many different subjects as they make you more competitive against literally every other person who exists. It's not only a privilege to have access to the Internets knowledge but an absolute joy to put your brain to work on interesting problems. It doesn't take much to do creative work that puts you ahead of other people. Once you're good at it you can also make a lot of money.

I think that people don't believe in themselves enough to study difficult subjects and so doom themselves to a life of lesser riches. For being more educated has better career outcomes and helps you progress as a person.

 No.186693

>>186692
I concur.

 No.186697

>>186583
>What is your life philosophy in as few words as possible?
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

>What is your primary rule for life, your compass and lantern to guide you when times are foggy and dark?

When in doubt determine the objective truth and let it be your guide.

 No.186707

I prioritise entertainment without infringement, i.e., maximising enjoyment of my existence without intruding on innocents.
However, I have no qualms about directing malice and aggression towards terrible people.

 No.186868

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Which path to take wizards? I'm seriously thinking about becoming an anarchist.

 No.186869

>>186868
cool 4chan pic one upvote

 No.186870

>>186868
Did you just recently graduate high school by chance? You should try not defining yourself by ideas presented in texts - especially those written who lived their life the complete opposite of what they wrote.

 No.186872

>>186868
just study stirner and you can do anything

 No.186875

>>186870
No, but obviously people need something they can interpret the world through. We need some basic principles we can live by.

>>186872
I read the ego and his own or what it is called, but I'm not sure I would go for wild, unrestricted egoism. The older I get, the more I think we need some kind of collectivism, a collective which helps those who are the least fortunate and protects their freedom.

 No.186876

>>186875
i highly doubt it, there's nothing wild or extreme about stirner's egoism, compared to objectivism or other dogmatic nonsense. a basic idea he puts forth is also the union of egoists to address the needs of the needy, where associations are formed and continuousky affirmed between people based on whether or not they truly benefit from them

 No.186879

>>186876
>objectivism
Never read anything related to it, always seemed to me like it is nothing but capitalism on steroids.

As for Stirner, in a world of pure egoism the weak would be left to suffer and they would enslaved, simply because nobody benefits from helping people who are weaker than him. There is no reason to help anyone in a world like that. A world of egoism/radical individualism would result in a very hierarchical system in the end, where those who are talented get to do whatever they want with others. No, I don't think egoism is what I'm looking for.

 No.186892

>>186615
Working is for slaves. The

 No.186893

>>186620
If you start eating them, though you will start feeling happier. It must have something to do with nutrient you can not get from anywhere else except from them.

 No.186896

>>186643
All of this is because of atheism. Materialism, hedonism are the consequences of atheism.
And no matter how much pleasure and material staff you will get , you will never fell happiness.
Because without a struggle , without a higher meaning , everything is vain and pointless.
The real award is not the reaching of the final goal, but the road you have walked to get to it. This is what matters.
But when there is no goal, there can not be any path.

 No.186897

>>186896
"all of this" being?

 No.186898

>>186688
How do you know what to study?
Most things feel so far away and inapplicable.

 No.186900

>>186879
Objectivism is kind of like egoism but tempered with reason and morals.
Still a big proponent of capitalism in the form of free market economics and low levels of government interference. Though not a fan of things like fraud and cheating since truth is highly valued in objectivism.

 No.186901

>>186898
I really only ever study topics that I can make money from in some way. I used to have to struggle for everything and didn't have the liberty of having time to waste on stuff that wasn't practical. I learned how to code because despite people who will tell you otherwise – there are a shit load of good jobs for engineers. I owe my entire adult career to decisions I made as a young, autistic wizkid, and all of my skills are self-taught.

 No.186904

>>186897
All of what you have described.

 No.186909

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All encompassing theory of life: ‘Well, at one time, you've got it, and then you lose it, and it's gone forever. All walks of life: George Best, for example. Had it, lost it. Or David Bowie, or Lou Reed.‘

 No.186921

>>186896
Atheism is one of the things I'm most convinced about. "God" is only a tradition that is passed down among different nations and cultures. Just like how there are no universal morals, there aren't universal gods either.

>Materialism, hedonism are the consequences of atheism.

I don't know, there are plenty of people who are materialists yet they reject hedonism. The followers of Nietzsche or people who like stoicism for example.

No, I don't agree with you. Firstly, happiness: I don't believe in it. There are only pains and pleasures in this world, happiness is a myth only or a delusional state of mind. The best you can do is bombing your brain with pleasures as much as you can, this is the only way of liberation.
The need for 'higher meaning' or for 'struggle' is a cope invented for those who can't experience pleasure for some reason. The world or life doesn't need meaning in order to be enjoyed.

 No.186934

>>186606
Exactly my purpose in life.

 No.186936

>>186868
I'd say read Marx first, then some Buddhist text next. Communism and Buddhism can complement for each other.
I'm one of those "most existentialist tend to go left wing" people, so take my advice as you will.

 No.186941

>>186868
don't limit yourself on one path but pick one you want to study some more

 No.186962

>>186936
After giving things some more thought, I would rather drop this line as it is. By "this line" I refer to ideologies that try to erase all difference between individuals. I mean we are here on this site exactly because we are different, right? I can't just pretend I'm an ordinary person after all those years of isolation/solitude and after those years of learning, seeking knowledge and introspection. For better or for worse I, and I think this goes for most people here, am special. The only future that is worth fighting for in my eyes is one with strict hierarchies and classes, with divisions between people. So that kind of makes me a right-winger (which I never was in my life) and/or a nietzschean. Life can be so crazy and unexpected sometimes, I never thought I would end up as right-wing elitist or fascist. I guess I just don't want a society where every stupid normalfag has the same amount of influence on things as me or other wizards. Society should be led by the few, who are different from the herd…It is my opinion currently, at least. God knows what I will think tomorrow.

>>186941
Currently interested in the übermensch path the most, for extra roads that I want to study besides I will take absurdism, taoism and hedonism I think.

 No.186969

>>186936
>Communism Buddhism can complement for each other
>Which is why every single time communist took over a Asian country they mass killed the Buddhist especially the monks

You can't possibly be even remotely close to serious.
Communism is explicitly anti other religions and functionality only tolerates strictly controlled and subverted religious institutions that exclusive do exactly whatever the party tells them.
Everyone else is killed or forcefully reeducated.

 No.186973

>>186962
>The only future that is worth fighting for in my eyes is one with strict hierarchies and classes, with divisions between people.
Why would you fight for division and hierarchies if you receive the short end of the stick in a society.
Shouldn't you be fighting for equal opportunity and freedom of choice?

Don't let hate govern your mind.

 No.186975

>>186973
>if you receive the short end of the stick in a society.
You do get that even in "meritocratic" "egalitarian" societies, except you are told it's all your fault because of some moral failure of yours, and not how things are meant to be as humans are born inequal.

 No.186977

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 No.186979

>>186975
So what are you proposing?
Division and hierarchies won't work and neither will equal opportunity and freedom of choice. What's left?

 No.186980

>>186969
Not that poster, but why not? The world of ideas and philosophy have seen some strange combinations over the centuries. Evola started the whole "buddhism is the ideal religion of my political system" thing and he was a fascist, despite there being no sign in buddhism anywhere that it is exclusively a right-wing philosophy. Let people play with ideas, this is how new philosophies are born.

>>186973
A question I thought over a few times in my head too. But it's like this: I don't support all kinds of fascism or aristocracy. I won't go and vote for far-right parties. Because I know these parties are made of rabble too. However, I picture my ideal society as something that relies on hierarchies very much. Of course, it's not likely I will ever have the power to achieve it, but nonetheless I view things in an aristocratic way.
And some other things: those "equal opportunity" and "freedom of choice" you mention, these aren't real things if you are given them by society. These are only real if you get these for yourself. I learned not to trust the goodwill of the collective or rely on it too much. And also, the question is: how do you envision the future of mankind? The egalitarian path, where everyone does manual labor because he is forced to or everyone does his job for the sake of the collective strictly? Imagine, if intellectuals or artists would be forced to work the fields just because "it is more just/equal" that way. Or if they could only make art or create intellectual works that if they adhere to the collective's morals and expectations. No, I don't want that. People are different and we have different roles to play. Normals should go work, while we wizardly types ponder the deeper things of existence. NEET-ing wouldn't be allowed in a world of equality, I hope you know that too.

>>186975
Stop a little. Meritocracy and egalitarianism don't go hand-in-hand. In fact I think aristocracy should be built upon merit, not just titles and inheritance. I referred to the kind of egalitarian world I reject that is built around so called "humanity, moralism" and strict collective cooperation, because they are dead ends to me.

>>186979
I propose aristocracy built on actual merit. I don't mean the ability to make money by merit, like people mean merit in capitalism. We should struggle for more power and freedom for ourselves while kicking back the normalfag hordes to their working class as much as possible. Merit should be definied as creativity, artistic instincts and intellectual mind-set. Even if we fail, this is the only path that is worth fighting for. Failure can be noble and majestic too. We should just take the risk and march bravely forward. In a gray and boring world of equality neets and wizardly characters would suffer because we don't like to play by society's rules and expectations. We shouldn't rely on others.

 No.186981

>>186980
>Normals should go work, while we wizardly types ponder the deeper things of existence.
All you're proposing is tyranny. Forcing others into slavery while taking the products of labor and riches for yourself.

>The egalitarian path, where everyone does manual labor because he is forced to or everyone does his job for the sake of the collective strictly? Imagine, if intellectuals or artists would be forced to work the fields just because "it is more just/equal" that way.

My proposed equal opportunity isn't meant to struck down the intellectuals and artist into manual labor but instead giving those workers of manual labor and farmers the possibility to achieve intellectual and artistic visions.

No way how you spin things. Work must be done.
And when work must be done it should be done without hate, violence or misery.

 No.186990

>>186981
Yes, work must be done. What makes you think normals don't want to work? My impression is that they aren't capable of anything but work, obedience and servitude. So let them be that way.
>instead giving those workers of manual labor and farmers the possibility to achieve intellectual and artistic visions
And this is where I disagree. The majority aren't cut out for this, let's face it. They like going to football games, to orgies and to talk about stupid things with their equally stupid peers. If they wanted to improve their creativity or intellectual level then they could have done so already, for we live in the age of the internet. Literally, even the dumbest normals possess the whole knowledge and culture of humanity via their smartphones. Oh, but they would actually have to spend their time on meaningful things instead of watching brazzersexxtra or naughtyamerica videos or talking with their friends on social media all day. The possibility is there for everyone to become the Übermensch these days, but most don't live with it. Why? Because they are slaves and they aren't on the same level as us.

 No.186992

>>186980
> but why not?
Because communism is a totalizing ideology.

It would be like asking why someone couldn't be a Muslim and a Wiccan at the same time. Their foundational text literally says the other thing is evil and must be wiped from the earth for paradise and peace to be accomplished. Be that Communism and other religions or Islam and witchcraft.
They are fundamentally incomparable.

 No.187028

>>186992
I can see the similarity between the two, anyway. Communism is against religions like we understand them in the West, buddhism is more like a philosophy than a religion. It is way more complex than christianity for example. Both communism and buddhism aim to eliminate individualism and egoism and to create an ideal collective where suffering is reduced.

Imo, you think way too strictly about these things. Ideologies and believes always mix and influence each other.
>someone couldn't be a Muslim and a Wiccan at the same time
If someone says he is both then will you debate him? I'm sure if I cared I could make up a system that mixes both of these things and reach a harmony between them. Even seemingly total opposites can be made into a coherent system, you just have to put time and effort into it. Evola preached that buddhism is the perfect religion for fascism, that wiz who thinks communism and buddhism complement each other also came up with his own interpretation.

 No.187029

>>187028
Those would necessitate lax interpretations. If you’re orthodox then whatever founding papers there are for your ideology would be evidence enough to show you cannot be a wiccan Muslim. But interpretation allows “rules” to be bent or completely ignored. Hence why we have gay christians, or Christian communists.

 No.187033

It eez wut it eeez

 No.187034

>>187033
sometimes it really do be like that

 No.187036

>>187028
>buddhism is more like a philosophy than a religion
That is a purely western white people misinterpretation of Buddhism.
It most certainly is a religion especially in how it is practiced in Asia. I mean for fuck sake have you ever even talked to a practicing Buddhist or stepped foot in a temple before? It is unbelievable obviously a religion and "more of a philosophy".
It would be like calling Christianity less a religion and more a lesson in morality using stories.

 No.187038

>>187036
>It would be like calling Christianity less a religion and more a lesson in morality using stories.
People do exactly that because the same thing happened to both. As they spread, locals incorporated their pre-existing religious beliefs and traditions into them. Hence why christianity has things like saints, martyrs, and holy relics, and buddhism has things like demons and the 8 cardinal directions.

 No.187039

>>187038
>People do exactly that
They don't. At least anyone who is aware of what Christianity is. If they did they would be flat out wrong.
White western people do it with Buddhism out of ignorance from the early 20th century related to the fad of oriental mysticism that was deeply superficial. A current that was carried into the new age movement.

 No.187040

>>187036
you are a fucking retard because buddhism is a dharma, not a religion.

 No.187055

>>187036
>>187039
Have you ever read basic buddhist texts? They are full of philosophy, and I mean not the simple-minded theology of semitic religions by philosophy, but actual reasonings, logic and conclusions about the world. It's not even funny how different buddhism is from christianity or generally other religions. First, there is no God in buddhism. Not in the sense you use the word god in other religions. Buddhism is a philosophical system, basically what they had in the East instead of stoicism.

As for the average dumb normalfag, they can't get into philosophy so they needed deities, demons and myths and shit to translate to their "language" the truth buddhism tries to convey. That is why you see the average buddhist as worshipping Buddha and offering rituals and stuff like that, while those who actually penetrate into the core of buddhism don't need to do that.
Christianity is a religion because it is centered around a certain image of god they imagine is true. You need a god for it to be a religion. Buddhism is atheistic in nature and origins. Of course, like I said, the average person can't comprehend hard philosophical arguments, so there you have it why they need to worship "deities" or holy men of their religion.

 No.187057

>>187055
Buddhism, like all philosophies, religions, ideologies, etc. got altered and integrated into local beliefs as it spread across Asia. So many people can’t see past that.

 No.187059

>>187055
>Have you ever read basic buddhist texts?
Not only have I read them but there was a brief period in my life that I was regularly going to a temple and was strongly considering converting, BUT I couldn't bring myself to believe in the religious and supernatural aspects of the religion. Because it isn't "just a philosophy, it very much is a religion by every meaning of the word.
Your understanding of the topic in general seems painfully shallow.
> You need a god for it to be a religion
So you just don't know what words mean.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion

 No.187060

>>187059
Which part of "it is only symbolic" you don't understand? I gave you an explanation already why the need for temples, rituals, supernatural aspects exists. Then you go on and are all like "you are wrong, there are supernatural shit in it!".
I know more about the subject than you do, it is obvious by the fact that you seriously considered going to temples and being among normalfags when you can be a buddhist even without these.

>So you just don't know what words mean.

>a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

>especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies


You are the one who doesn't know how to read. And if we just look at the first part then it should concern all philosophies or ideologies.

 No.187079

>>187060
>>especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies
If you think that doesn't apply to Buddhism then you quite litterally don't know the first thing about buddhism.
I also find it crazy that you have the arrogance to claim that 99.999% of actual practicing Buddhist are wrong about Buddhism and only you know the truth.
The fact of the matter is you quite literally don't know the first thing about what you are talking about.

 No.187082

>>187079
>>187060
I am a different poster from both of you just joining the conversation.

Buddhism is a fucking wide field. There are so many different branches and different viewpoints of every one, and many many westerners who take philosophical aspects from them and attempt to communicate it for a western audience. Claiming to be a westerner that understands "Buddhism" in general is an ridiculously bold claim.

>I also find it crazy that you have the arrogance to claim that 99.999% of actual practicing Buddhist

The deep parts are so abstract and esoteric that it is obviously true. This is why pretty much all branches of Buddhism talk about 'lay practitioners' and differentiate between them and dedicated monks that spend their entire lives on it, i.e. a tiny minority.

>>187059
Not all branches of Buddhism are like that. The way you talk about it like one monolithic belief makes it clear you dont know much about it.

Both of you are right/wrong depending on which type of Buddhism you're talking about, and you need to realise that words like religion are entirely culturally poisoned and can't even be translated effectively.

All this stuff varies depending on who you talk to, which books you read, etc. At some point I don't even know if my own understandings became spiritual or not; language itself breaks down when you try to communicate the experiences that occur for me just through meditation, 'becoming one with the universe' and such. I recommend Japanese Zen for learning where you reach your own enlightenment just from sitting without influence from 'religious' beliefs you disagree with.

This stuff is all so incommunicable that people always have absurd arguments about it

 No.187083

>>187082
There are very core ideas fundamental to all forms of Buddhism that are religious and supernatural in nature.
And zen as it is actually practiced in it's native countries is unmistakable a religion.
>his is why pretty much all branches of Buddhism talk about 'lay practitioners' and differentiate between them and dedicated monks that spend their entire lives on it, i.e. a tiny minority.
This line is garbage on even the face of it.
The very existence of monks and a clergy makes it a religion by default, and I have never heard any legitimate monk deny that Buddhism is a religion ever. Because it is.

 No.187096

>>187079
>buddhism acknowledges a creator god
Okay, I'm done talking to you. You are just trolling around.

>I also find it crazy that you have the arrogance to claim that 99.999% of actual practicing Buddhist are wrong about Buddhism and only you know the truth.

Not just me, this is the common consensus among educated people, that buddhism is a philosophy, just like confucianism is a philosophy rather than a religion.

>>187083
Then explain to us "dumb" people what you think the difference is between a philosophy and religion. I would say I am eager to hear you out, but I'm sure you will only parrot your retarded, mistaken conception of what buddhism should be, according to you.

 No.187099

>>187096
>>buddhism acknowledges a creator god
Not what was said and you know it.
If you must be totally dishonest to push your agenda then it's clear you are arguing in bad faith.
>this is the common consensus among "educated" people
Clearly not educated in Buddhism. Some appeal to some undefined unknown authority is not persuasive. In fact it sounds like something you are making up to deny the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
And no, Buddhism is not like Confucianism.

>Then explain to us "dumb" people what you think the difference is between a philosophy and religion

You could start with the dictionary.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/philosophy
This is also a reasonable breakdown of the differences in a somewhat objective manner.
https://differencecamp.com/philosophy-vs-religion/

 No.187127

I unironically turned anarchist, guys. I think it is the logical moral conclusion of philosophy. A world of equality and freedom is worth dying for.

 No.187129

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>>187083
>And zen as it is actually practiced in it's native countries is unmistakable a religion.
Nishijima Roshi liked to say Zen was a religion, but he also liked to say Buddha was very realistic.

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>>187127
elaborate?

 No.187133

>>187127
equality and freedom are incompatible ideas that are in direct opposition to each other.
The more "equality" you have the less freedom there can be. The more freedom individuals have, the natural result of that freedom is less "equality".

"Equality" can only be obtained by restricting freedom and forcing people to behave similarly and forcing everyone to the lowest common denominator of the worst performers.

 No.187134

>>187133
the extreme of inequality, would be 1 guy literally owning the entire earth as his property. and there wouldn't be much freedom for everyone else under such a condition.

 No.187143

>>187134
The extreme of equality is death.
For it is only in death that people are equal.

 No.187156

>>186583
if the world wanna kill me. i'll kill the world

 No.187164

>>187131
I'm a 24 years old NEET who hasn't worked a single day in his life yet. While the idea of considering myself some kind of übermensch is tempting (because I objectively possess more knowledge than normals) but! it would be just a delusion ultimately. The fact is, I would be a homeless guy without my family. So I consider myself already homeless and one of the lumpenproletariat. People like me don't benefit at all from hierarchies. I'm an "intellectual" in the sense that I am probably smarter than your usual dumb normo but I'm not an actual "intellectual" since I refuse to participate in the shitshow that is called society, where everything is about pleasing your superior and stomping down on people who are inferior to you. I never went to uni or higher education either, I learned what I know on my own.

I'm tired of mainstream society and its emphasis on ranks, titles and competition. Let's build a world already where everyone can live an all right life. Or let's die trying.
And for anarchism being the philosophical conclusion of our entire culture, I think this is correct. I mean, what else is left? Religions are outdated and lost their appeal greatly, rationalism and science has won over it, let's face it. Nowadays even most people who say they are religious are actually materialists. So okay, materialism…now you face the possibility of either a moral and just world or the possibility of a world based on exploitation, class conflicts and slavery. I think everyone can agree here that our society is rotten throughly. If you don't go the amoral/egoist path then there is only a society of equality and peace remaining. A society based on mutual help among its members and altruism. I said already, but I'm not an übermensch and probably neither are most people here. We are the lowest of the lowest as far as society is concerned. Anarchism is the only ideology that makes sense to me now.

>>187133
No. Equality and freedom go hand in hand. It isn't freedom to go around and exploit others while enriching yourself, it is just being an asshole. Similarly, equality can't exist in a world where everyone isn't free, because it is just an authoritarian system then, which presupposes that not everyone is equal.

>>187143
Pessimism and its death worship is nothing other than another reactionary crap. It dismisses revolution as something unnecessary because it thinks the problem is with life instead.

 No.187169

>>187164
"equality" can only exist when it is strictly enforced in a authoritarian system because if people are free to do as they please they will do different things and have different levels of talent that will lead to significantly different results. This is because equality doesn't exist in the real natural objective world.
This especially goes for humans, for we are a highly adaptable hierarchical species. One human can be significantly different from another just from making a few slight different choices.

I mean can you really call someone who decides to spend their time learning a useful skill and someone who spends all their time smoking crack equal?
Would it not be unreasonable that they have unequal results due to their own choices of learning things or smoking crack?
In fact it would be unjust for you to force those two to be equal. And yes you would have to use force or the threat of force to make those two in any measurable way equal. Thus taking away their freedom.
Freedom and equality are diametrically opposed. The more you have of one the less you have of the other.

 No.187189

>>187169
To put it in diplegic terms freedom is the thesis, equally the antithesis, impartial law or justice (meaning one gets what they are owed, good or bad, reward or punishment) is the synthesis.

 No.187194

>>187169
People are free to do as they please, and they created an authoritarian system like this. We live in the real natural objective world.

 No.187199

>>187189
dialectic*

That is one hell of a typo.

 No.187201

>>187169
>"equality" can only exist when it is strictly enforced in a authoritarian system
That is no equality, it is one person forcing others to be "equal", therefore it is the very essence of inequality.
Equality exists, but only together with freedom. It depends on the people, obviously in small communities it is much easier to achieve the ideal of anarchy. Get together a couple of people who share your ideals and you can form a commune. However, the goal is to convince everyone that it is in their own best interests to live in a world of freedom and equality.

>I mean can you really call someone who decides to spend their time learning a useful skill and someone who spends all their time smoking crack equal?

Yes, I can and I should. Both are my fellow humans, both came into this world naked and will die just the same. Learning a "useful" skill, hm. Useful for who? Also, you seem to think free will exists while it doesn't. Everything is predetermined. Someone who is a drug addict can't help it, he must have experienced things that affected him negatively. He had an unfortunate life, but that doesn't make him lower than me or someone with "useful" skills.
>In fact it would be unjust for you to force those two to be equal.
How the fuck do you know why X does Y and not Z? Don't be a condescending, snob prick, please. I'm not a drug addict but I don't judge people who are, like I said they must have lived a shittier life than me or had other stuff happening to them, that is why they are the way they are. We should help them but that doesn't give us the right to look down on them or to treat them unequally.

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>>187201
> Also, you seem to think free will exists while it doesn't. Everything is predetermined.
Oh boy here we go

 No.187218

>>187202
predetermined to reply

 No.187219

>>187218
~Predetermined to notice your bulgy wolgy~

 No.187260

Always be virtuous to stay ahead. Try your best when appropriate to be loved. Hedonism is for when I'm feeling weak and powerless. Grandeur not needed, simplicity and the pleasures that go along with it.

 No.187263

>>187260
I know this isn't a video thread but this is a very pleasurable watch for anyone already on the path of personal virtuism

 No.187277

The only thing i do is learn other languages and play VNs.

 No.187287

A strange game, the only winning move is not to play



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