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 No.201259

what do you guys think about the wikipedia ui change? i actually dont mind it

the fixed/floating table of contents to the side was a staple for old internet sites, and the offline personal wiki/journal thing i use zimwiki also has this. i think the indicator for what section of the TOC you are on should be more visible, right now it just turns bold

the other complain i see is the huge whitespace… but these same idiots complaining probably use twitter and that shit uses like 10% of my fucking screen width for actual content

scaling seems to zoom the entire website instead of just the text. wikipedia is very conservative and this is not bad. this is probably one of the only changes in years regarding website/software that i don't at all mind

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>>201259
it's ugly, i hate it, i keep thinking i'm on the mobile site

>wikipedia is very conservative


check the race and IQ page then

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>>201259
It's just a waste of space, they already have the mobile subdomain why did they have to ruin the desktop version. You can go back to the previous version on your account but that would require logging in everywhere.

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>>201278
He means conservative as in averse to change, not politically.
As to the new design, while the idea of having the contents on the side is not bad, the whole look is horrible and reminiscent of the disgusting mobile version of the site (which may be alright on mobiles, I wouldn't know, but I hate getting linked to it when I'm on a PC). It just feels incomplete, I guess. Too empty? The wide margins remind me of a Word document, doesn't feel like a website.

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>>201285
You should write a greasemonkey script that always appends your chosen theme to the URL Params. Three lines tops

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>>192900
ok the experiments where evil and all but where can I read about the results?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitobashira
>Hitobashira was practised formerly in Japan as a form of human sacrifice.
>A person was buried alive under or near large-scale buildings like dams, bridges and castles, as a prayer to Shinto gods.

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https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Main_Page

dunno how i never knew about this. apparently there are entire books on subjects. it's like wikipedia but on steroids

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>>201799
Most books I was interested in aren't complete

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events

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>>201800
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Japanese_History

i found out about wikibooks searching for info on yayoi architecture, this one is pretty dope

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_and_beta_male

Right off the bat:

>Alpha male and beta male, or simply put alpha and beta, are pseudoscientific terms


Thanks, wikipedia!

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>>200679
That's one of the reasons why Jews don't agree with cristians in their interpretation of the Bible.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Golden_Circle
Southern Secret Society whose members had the power fantasy of building their own country where they can whip their slaves all day.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala_syphilis_experiments
USA treating impoverished countries as labrats camps since the late first half of the past century.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_Canal
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Nicaragua_Canal
Proposed Canal route that predates Panama and led to one of the most pathetics case of ghosting and cope in the history of the region. Local goverment never accepted officially that the project was a failure.

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>>201891
There's a whole curious school of thought that the jewish verison of god comes out of some odd amalgamation from sumeria and possibly egypt and stuff like that. Regardless, the whole idea behind Christianity is that things got so fucked up that God had to send his son down to earth for a bit as the mossiah to reset everything and lay down the new law. So in some sense it doesn't really matter what the original jews believed in or to what degree it had been taken over by babylonian talmudism and khabbalah magic.

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>>201892
>USA treating impoverished countries as labrats camps since the late first half of the past century.
I've been seeing a shitton of imperialist history videos/links/etc. recently (Operation Condor, Gladio, Charlie, Belgian Congo, what you posted, Trail of Tears, slave trade, Holocaust, Rape of Nanking, Holodomor, etc.). So many that I'm starting to wonder if the point is to just desensitize the population to that sort of history and just make it so they don't care about it anymore and blow it off altogether.

One tragic genocide can make a population feel guilty. A hundred and they'll just start to think, "Yeah, yeah, we're evil, whatever," and it's just a statistic.

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>>201901
Or maybe conflict and cruelty are simply ingrained into human nature and thinking we are somehow above it is foolishness.

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>>201901
I don't need a genocide to know man is depraved.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_depravity

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>>201901
A lot of those things also have a rooting in psychological warfare. If you know something about classical conditioning and operant conditioning, then it starts to make a lot more sense why the powers that be tend to fall into these similar patterns of oppression even if they might not understand them in a more academic fashion.

Then you can go on to realize that the modern schooling system is also based on these same methods, and would more correctly be called brainwashing than teaching.

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>>201901
The point I was trying to make was that I think there's a psyop going on right now to make imperialism acceptable. By just flooding the space out there with these historical episodes, nobody will care about them.

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>>201953
Atrocities existed far before notions of imperialism

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>>201955
Yes…and? What did you think I said, and what are you saying?

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>>201956
You’re saying these things are publicized to desensitize people, and I’m saying that it’s just actual history. There’s no agenda, it’s reality.

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>>201957
No, I mean recently a bunch of algos are pushing all of these all at once, and making everyone talk about them all the goddam time.

There are also OTHER things that happened in history other than atrocities.

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>>202091
What the hell? What's the reason for this mechanism? I'm guessing by freezing the plant, they destroy the plant's immune system, and are therefore able to attack the plant themselves?

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>>202100
There are communities of bacteria that live on ice flowers in the arctic. Maybe they use those proteins to help build their homes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frost_flower_(sea_ice)

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>>202101
I wonder how this bacteria would compare to other cloud seeding methods.

Also, from your link:
>On Sept. 2, 2009, a University of Washington biology team sailing back from the North Pole encountered these little flowery things growing on the frozen sea "like a meadow spreading off in all directions. Every available surface was covered with them." When allowed to melt, the one to two milliliters of water recovered was found to hold about a million bacteria…the team is eager to discover what the bacteria living in the frost flowers are doing.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralistic_ignorance
Normies thinking they’re special for having normie opinions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersignaling
started seeing this literally everywhere after I first read about this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnum_effect
the literally me effect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fells_Acres_day_care_sexual_abuse_trial
if you wanna lose all faith in the justice system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo_bird_verdict
as Scott Alexander put it:
> psychotherapies work by having a charismatic, caring person listen to your problems and then do ritualistic psychotherapy-sounding things to you, but not by any of the exercises or theories of the specific therapy itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_approaches_to_depression
On why our shit genes haven’t been filtered from the gene pool yet

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>>202111
>Countersignaling
Reminds me of the whole concept of "Luxury Beliefs."
https://medium.com/@austinjcerny/what-are-luxury-beliefs-6088f8a16197
I'm actually very surprised that "Luxury Beliefs" doesn't have a Wikipedia article yet.
>Evolutionary approaches to depression
I hate how often I read "evolutionary approach to X," (*) walk away thinking, "My god, all of X makes SENSE now," and then it feels like the entire scientific community comes out of the woodwork to say that it's not true, it's not a viable option, don't even THINK about that theory, NOTHING TO SEE HERE. It feels like something everyone knows is true, acts like it's true, but has to play this signaling game that they don't believe in it.
(*) I think it's called "sociobiology" nowadays.
…anti-sociobiology is a luxury belief, maybe?

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>>202111
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Amirault
Among the accusations were, as summarized by Rabinowitz from court records, Amirault

had plunged a wide-blade butcher knife into the rectum of a 4-year-old boy, which he then had trouble removing. When a teacher in the school saw him in action with the knife, she asked him what he was doing, and then told him not to do it again, a child said. On this testimony, Gerald was convicted of a rape which had, miraculously, left no mark or other injury.

wow

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>>202112
These articles on Luxury Beliefs (both the Medium article and the NY Post article linked within it) seem to me somewhat sloppy, in that they mix different things together.
-One of these seem to be "this idea is costly, but I can bear that cost" such as "you should only eat expensive organic food".
-Another one would be "this idea, if implemented, would affect other people but not me, so I have no problem supporting it" like "Abolish the police, crime won't be a problem afterwards because that's what my expensive private security is there for". While that example is about a rich person not suffering the consequences that the rest of society would suffer, there are examples which are not that related to wealth, for example wanting to ban the sale of non-electric cars while living in a warm or temperate climate, when electric cars perform very poorly in the cold. But if you don't live in a cold place you have no reason to care, regardless of how wealthy or not you are.
-The third one is just plain hypocrisy. The succubus saying that non-monogamy is just as good as monogamy, or that monogamy is actually harmful, while fully intending to stay monogamous, she's just plain being a hypocrite. Same with the private jet types lecturing the poors about how they should take the bus to work instead of driving, we need to save the environment! This also doesn't rely necessarily on wealth, I could easily lecture people on how vegan diets are the only ethical diets and then go have a nice, medium-rare steak.

These categories could be summarized as "costly, but I can deal with it", "costly, but for somebody else" and "costly, but I'm only going to pay lip service to it, not actually do the thing". The first one and sometimes the second one really are luxury beliefs, in my opinion.

>>202111
The depression article makes a lot of sense, specially the parts that boil down to "the group is just barely tolerating you, they might kill you or kick you out soon, shut up and stay quiet in a corner, the less they see you the better" and the learned helplessness "stop trying to do X, you can't do X, give it up and stop pointlessly wasting your energy on it".

>>202112
Evolutionary psychology has the problem that it's pretty much all trying to guess why some behaviour evolved, which is then effectively impossible to prove beyond "well, it seems to me like it makes sense…" Of course, pretty much all of sociology and psychology is just made up, but evo-psych is more fashionable a target.
As to anti-sociobiology being a luxury belief, it seems that the fundamental premise of luxury beliefs is that they attack useful beliefs. Only if sociobiology is useful, not correct or incorrect, but useful, would it be a luxury belief to disdain it. The main opposition to sociobiology seems to be ideological, since it can sometimes lead to conclusions that go against the political orthodoxy of mid-20th century onward (nature over nurture, differences between the sexes being innate, etc). Anti-sociobiology seems like a luxury belief in the second sense (of the ones I mentioned earlier in this post), in that the establishment likes it because it won't bear its consequences. On the other hand it seems to actively benefit them, while luxury beliefs are supposed to be harmful in general but less so (or not so) to the ones spouting them. In that regard it doesn't act as a luxury belief. I don't think that a king thinking that monarchy is a good form of government would count as a luxury belief, self-interest of the wealthy and powerful alone doesn't make something a luxury belief.

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>>202134
>seem to me somewhat sloppy, in that they mix different things together.
>-One of these seem to be "this idea is costly, but I can bear that cost" such as "you should only eat expensive organic food".
I think this is what is traditionally known as luxury goods/services/Veblen goods.
>-The third one is just plain hypocrisy. The succubus saying that non-monogamy is just as good as monogamy, or that monogamy is actually harmful, while fully intending to stay monogamous, she's just plain being a hypocrite. Same with the private jet types lecturing the poors about how they should take the bus to work instead of driving, we need to save the environment! This also doesn't rely necessarily on wealth, I could easily lecture people on how vegan diets are the only ethical diets and then go have a nice, medium-rare steak.
Regarding your third point here, what if it's not hypocrisy, but psychopathy? The rich person endorses these ideas so that it maintains an entrenched, impoverished class below them. The rich endorse non-monogamy because single-parent households create a vast ocean of poor people that you can easily keep on top of. They endorse veganism so they end up having the nutrition and cheaper meat. They endorse not owning a car because all the plebs trying to copy them reduce their labor mobility and thereby lower their wages.

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>>202135
>I think this is what is traditionally known as luxury goods/services/Veblen goods.
Sorry, you noted that. I forgot to delete this from my response.

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>>202134
I want to make a minor amend to this, both the first and second types should be considered luxury beliefs regardless of whether the cost is financial or not. In the electric car example, we could simply consider that the speaker has the luxury of not having to deal with cold weather. Similarly, we can find non-financial examples of the first type, if we both have similar levels of wealth, but I have a lot of free time that you don't, me claiming that we should both dedicate a lot of time to something (be it volunteering to help the needy, reading a lot of books, traveling, etc.) could be a luxury belief, since I have the luxury of having ample free time for that while you don't.

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>>202135
It's nice that you bring Veblen goods up though, they aren't mentioned in the articles but are a great comparison. Veblen goods are desired because of their high cost, because they can be used to display wealth "I can afford a Lamborghini, I'm THAT rich". Luxury beliefs work in the same way, "I can afford to have this ridiculous belief, I'm THAT removed from/resilient to its consequences".

As to the psychopathy, that could well be. I don't think it even needs to be motivated by economic self-interest, some people want to screw others over for the sake of it.

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