/wiz/ - Wizardry

Some I can think of easily:
>free will doesn't exist (you just want to absolve yourself from any sort of responsibility)
>you are just a biological machine duuude (you want to live like an animal)
>if X political power took charge my life would improve and I would live like a king (no you would still be despised in every political system) and generally all politics related conspiracy theories
>thinking that nofap is good for you in any way
>idealizing certain periods of history
>idealizing a society without technology/innawoods bullshit
>roleplaying as the ultimate ascetic monk
>antinatalism (implying you care about reducing suffering for anyone except yourself)
>roleplaying as a morally superior person
>idealizing death and suicide, thinking you will just kill yourself if things get bad enough (see you tomorrow)
>philosophical pessimism (oh I'm soo blackpilled about everything and this life is like so sucks dude *goes on to enjoy life after writing to strangers on imageboards about how much he hates existence*)
>roleplaying as the intellectual (oh so I read Schopenhauer and Nietzsche I'm like super intelligent and will enlighten everyone with my superior wisdom)
>religious, mystical or occultist nonsense

Did I catch them all?

Life is one big amalgam of copes. Good thread btw.

Doesn't matter for what?
I have a sneaky suspicion you don't belong here
GRRRRRR!!!!

>>193659
Been a long time since I've seen a post I agree with here.

We are just animals though, that one I disagree with. Sage cause OP is gay and using gay meme words.

>>193660
Now THAT's not cope, but real truth, everything in the end just cope in one way or another, life is just a question of copes.

>>193664
No, thanks.

>>193664
Now that's what I call a cope! Which other copes help you get through the week?

>>193667
drinking alcohol

>>193665
posting quotes eh? more like posting copes
>>193667
your smug doubling down is a cope

>>193668
That's the cope I fall back on often, too.
>>193669
Your tendency to read everything in the worst possible light is also a cope. I was being candid.

>>193664
Cope, seethe and dilate

>>193662
Animals+something more. That 1% that separates us from animals is all that counts. Ordinary animals can't appreciate and don't have works of art or literature. We do have these things, the imagination and creativity raise us above other species.

>>193677
We are different from other animals. Not objectively superior. Based on long-term survival we can be inferior since we are literally destroying the earth and creating existential risks. Based on enjoyment of life, most people seem to suffer more than animals. So I can easily believe we are inferior to some animals that live in harmony with the world

>>193678
technology is a massive cope and it's diluting the gene pool with sick tard babies who wouldve died in two seconds in the jungle. not only are modern humans inferior to animals, but even just inferior to humans born 50, 100, 200, etc. years ago.

>>193683
>is a massive cope
really man



really

>>193659
>philosophical pessimism (oh I'm soo blackpilled
Philosophical pessimism doesn't imply that you can't be happy at all. In fact being pessimistic is a way to be happy and more content in life.

it's been said here already, but I am utterly baffled that the "not touching my penis for years will cure my mental illness" meme and "eating meat for every meal will cure my mental illness" has stayed around for as long as it has.
it's like the male equivalent of having healing crystals around the house.

"you shouldn't kill yourself, because… [deaf blind retard justification; usually assuming you have family who will be hurt when they have no proof of this or maybe the family is even the problem]" is another long-time favorite I've had since I was 12. really just could never wrap my head around the fact that even the suicide hotline operators immediately begin spewing diarrhea assuming the best of your non-existent or shit family members. I wonder if the operators even have a plan B if they can't hit you with the typical family guilt trip. I bet they don't.
Hope that some stranger will continue living in what's likely squalor– inhumane and freakish conditions –really seems to give a lot of people around here a major erection. don't kill yourself bro, just keep living a non-life of suffering here on toilet world with me!! (btw none of these people will ever be your friend, they'd abandon you in under a day despite their moral masturbation. They're Probably sociopathic, need to investigate further.)

>>193659
>free will doesn't exist
>you are just a biological machine
>antinatalism
>roleplaying as a morally superior person
Those are truth or things that will reduce suffering. You couldn’t argue against anti-natalism in other thread that non-existence>suffering existence. You have no arguments against those points although they could be regarded as copes but still truth. Genetic determinism is also truth as twin studies proves it. Everything is inherited and we act according to our genes.

>>193700
>it's like the male equivalent of having healing crystals around the house.
there are posters around here who are into this woo woo shit

>>193678
When you can point to other species creating anime or writing books then maybe I'll consider your points. Until then, I will maintain that humans are superior to animals. The suffering part is true and it is a side effect of our higher intelligence. However, I wouldn't want it any other way. Better eat from the tree of knowledge than to remain ignorant and happy in some beast-like state. About survival, that really matters for animals the most, another thing that makes us different from animals is the fact that we can go beyond our biological narratives. Survival at all cost shouldn't be the meaning of existence, rather to develop a more cultured and refined species.

>>193683
Survival isn't the absolute goal of life, again only if you are some animal. If you want to live in the jungle you are free to do so, also stop using technology if you think it is just a cope.

>>193699
I meant exactly that. Some people here really get an orgasm whenever they can "blackpill" anyone about the "true" nature of existence. Pessimism can be used as a cope, it offers people a narrow view of life and existence. Conveniently calling anything fun in life a "cope" or "escapism", pessimists like to roleplay as the suffering tragic hero way too much. They get erections every time they see something horrible happening in the world because they can point to it and scream to others "look, told ya life is shit!"

>>193701
I give plenty of arguments against you people time and time again, you just refuse to even consider my points.
1. Reducing suffering shouldn't be the main goal of existence.
2. Even if reducing suffering is your goal, reducing suffering only means anything if there are people in existence who can appreciate how there is less suffering.

You can't say anything against either of these points.
>Genetic determinism is also truth as twin studies proves it. Everything is inherited and we act according to our genes.
If that were the case then there would be no social mobility at all. If a violent criminal had a child his child would be a violent criminal too most likely but evidently it is just bullshit. You aren't determined for anything, you do what you want to do, I know it is comfy to feel like everything is outside of your control but you are deluding yourself.

>>193700
So encouraging others to kill themselves (while the person who gives the advice is still alive) seems completely consistent and logical to you? Most people on this site gladly throw around shit like "godspeed wizzah" whenever the topic of suicide comes up. Don't you find this behavior to be suspicious? It makes me sick how many here hide behind the mask of humanity and compassion while encouraging others to kill themselves or dreaming about a world where humans don't exist at all (so they can be at peace finally that no one suffers). See >>193701 for example. He wants to project his misery onto everyone collectively. He says life is evil because his life sucks and he can't stand to see all those poor homeless people and starving children on the news. Yet if you asked him what he is doing to lessen suffering he couldn't give you any answer. Pretentious hypocrite.

>>193703
You're an annoying solipsist and have never said anything of value. You whine that you have to repeat yourself all the time because your points aren't convincing.

>>193704
I don't really give two shits what you or others delude yourselves with, what you use for coping. I argue with you people to see whether you can offer me any good insight or not to improve my philosophy and personal views. And I like to debate with people in general.

You are so butthurt over the fact that someone disagrees with you, it really tells a lot about you. Instead of coming up with actual answers to my problems with your philosophy you resort to personal attacks. Good. I take it as a compliment and as you acknowledging your defeat.

>>193704
best reply to that fag i've ever seen lol. has there ever been a "quote every post in the thread" guy in the history of image boards with something worth reading? it's like a universal standard that they are braindead narcissists who can talk a lot while saying very little. literal spam

>>193707
Not everyone is some low-energy guy like you who has trouble writing out a couple of sentences. I see my fame is spreading even though we are anonymous. I guess my style is just wicked cool and my theories are spot on. I plan on writing a textfile book, detailing all the wisdom I have.

>>193659
You didnt prove any of your points, you just insulted those that don’t agree with you

>>193706
I'm not butthurt, but repeating the same retarded shit ad nauseam doesn't eventually make you right. I also didn't feel like giving you a constructive reply because yours was so braindead. It was some autistic "hurr just go live in the jungle" bullshit, like you are a chat bot that latches onto keywords without grappling with the context being established.
I imagine you're the samefag who always claims people obviously love life so long as they don't follow through with suicide and that "suicide is super epical EZ mode, duder!" Why would I go live in the jungle, fucktard? I made it very clear that I think modern humans are not fit to live in the jungle (save for any remote tribes) without technological crutches. You can't deny that bad genetics are being mitigated by technology and allowed to thrive. Even something as rudimentary as poor eyesight would be a huge liability to survival without corrective tools. Well, hey, survival isn't important so you should totally just kill yourself bro. Embody your dumb fuck opinions like you expect of everyone else.
It's really funny how you question the motivations of anyone showing solidarity with someone who says they want to die. They know their own situation better than I do. I'm not going to pry, I'm not going to affirm how great life is unlike you, but I'm also not going to ask them to livestream it and grab a pair of pom-poms and a bag of popcorn and actively coerce them to kill themselves. You're stuck up your own ass, faggot, and that's also why you project your own ass damage onto others who don't really give a shit to keep shooting down your same old failed arguments. Cope, dweeb.

>cope
the word cope

>>193708
youre definitely not memorable for owning people or whatever. you're memorable because you're assumedly the only one of the christcope failed normalfag missionaries who quotes every post in the thread with the same pedantic non-message every time.
there are many normalfag missionaries worshiping the psychiatric industry and work ethic here, the only separation is they dont reach character limit when they spew diarrhea about how normalfags are cool.

>>193714
I am ready to engage in debates with anyone to elaborate my points. I'm doing this right now.

>>193715
Repeating the "same shit ad nauseam" doesn't make me right but it works for you…why, again? You can't argue with any of my points, if you could you would have given me a satisfying reply already. Alas, you resort to namecalling and such. Your worldview is extremely shallow and incoherent, probably suits your personality very much. You are butthurt, don't deny it. You are probably used to people agreeing with you all the time. If you can't even defend your own philosophy then what are you even good for?

I indeed call out people on this site who are coping with the suicide card. It is laughable. People who truly want to die don't announce it on imageboards to others, they just do it. Most people here who say how much they desire death are just attentionwhores, not different from succubi posting how sad or depressed they are on social media. If you are alive you obviously don't suffer so much as you would like everyone to think. Go on telling yourself the mantra that you will just kill yourself once your parents die (oldest cope on this site).

>Why would I go live in the jungle, fucktard?
To live according to your principles for once in your life, maybe? If you think technology is so harmful then stop using it, man. No one forces you to use it.
Your obsession with genetics is typical plebeian mentality. Genetics is something like a boogeyman for you people, I swear. You can always resort to just saying it is genetics, dude, I had no part in it at all! Those damn genes, everything is their fault, you poor baby can't do a single thing in this life. Another braindead cope for braindead people.
>Well, hey, survival isn't important so you should totally just kill yourself bro. Embody your dumb fuck opinions like you expect of everyone else.
I didn't say that survival isn't important at all, what I said is that it isn't the most important thing. Huge difference. I live according to my "dumb fuck opinions", you should try it once in a while too instead of roleplaying on imageboards.

Yes, I question the motives of people like that, I mean people who encourage others to kill themselves. Same goes for antinatalists and people who campaign for abortion and euthanasia despite the fact they exist and live. At best they are just ignorant hypocrites, at worst they are downright malicious persons.

>>193724
>christcope failed normalfag
I'm not one, though. Continue to categorize everyone who disagrees with you under the same labels. Nice black and white mentality you have.
>the psychiatric industry and work ethic
I'm probably one of the biggest enemies of those things on this site.

In my eyes, pessimist and "suicidal" wizzies are the failed normals. They can't come to terms with their lives and can't appreciate how superior the wizard life is. A true wizard needs to embrace existence and continue to live on. If you kill yourself or end up as a depressed wreck of a human being then you basically acknowledge that normalfags were right all along. Ergo you are only a failed normal. Saying Yes to life is the only solution.

>>193740
he wants a debate lol, people don't want dialogue anymore. it's all debates and arguments, one day they're larping as shapiro and the next day they're jordan peterson but changing a few words here and there. enjoy your reply I guess and good luck with your endless debates journey

>>193742
No point in debating with him because he can't even read what he's replying to properly. Once again, he replies to his own strawmen and comes off as a bot. He's either a bona fide dumbass or he is conscious of how he responds and is just a contrarian faggot who likes replying in bad faith for the sake of it. Same old retarded arguments, misinterpretations, assumptions and projections as always.
Remember, genetics don't real. Aww shucks, a chickenheaded baby born without a brain could've just rose to chad apex predator or ultra-1337 stoic monk master like >>193740 who totally isn't emptily posturing (as apparently everyone here besides him is, as he writes the same essay over and over again every day and every thread) had he only practiced some self-discipline or another vague self-help/improvement cope. Genetics don't matter at all and life totally hasn't been one long, bloody eugenic experiment because I say so!

>>193746
>Aww shucks, a chickenheaded baby born without a brain could've just rose to chad apex predator
>Genetics don't matter at all
clearly not what he said.
>he replies to his own strawmen and comes off as a bot
well now that youre on his level you have no choice but to engage him.

>>193742
A debate isn't a dialogue? I think you are wrong. I see it otherwise, nowadays people retreat to their own little hugboxes and echochambers and refuse to argue with others. This has disastrous effects, one of them being that oversensitive retards like this guy >>193746 are more and more common. I don't change my views unless I seriously reconsider them because of some good argument I receive from others.
Debates are the most important element in developing your own philosophy and opinions. Without contrast you will fall into cold, dead, stiff dogmatism like that other guy, again for example.

>>193746
>he can't even read
>strawmen
>contrarian
>misinterpretations
>assumptions
>projections
Nice buzzwords there. Hide behind them so you can be spared from an actual debate because you know it deep down you would lose it yet again. If you don't join the race you can't lose, am I right?

I see genetics really gives you an erection. Let me guess, another blackpill failed normal who is obsessed with his looks and how he "can't" get sex? I said that genetics isn't an excuse for everything and what I meant is that it's not that powerful at all. Individual choices and efforts matter more. You are twisting the meaning of my words as usual. You just want something you can point to when it comes to justifying your own misery. "It's in my genes, can't do a thing about it!4" Stop pretending to be so helpless. You don't need to believe in God to understand what religious people mean when they say God helps those who help themselves. People like you and others here who deny free will or/and posit genetics as the ultimate decider of everything in the universe just look for excuses so that you can feel sorry for yourself even more.
>chad apex predator
>ultra-1337 stoic monk master
Even as jokes these fail, I never said or implied I was either of those. Both are pretty far from me though I understand why you'd mistake me for a stoic. I don't follow any "official" branch of philosophy, like I said I'm creating my very own system.
>life totally hasn't been one long, bloody eugenic experiment
So what is your view on eugenics? Previously you said you were all for suicidal wizzies killing themselves and now you portray eugenics as something negative. Decide already. You can't limp in both directions. Btw, what I quoted from you is obviously a big oversimplification on your part. If what you say is true then we wouldn't have hospitals, social services, welfare systems etc even nowadays.

>>193748
Thanks for another essay that I'm not going to read. Continue thinking words have some effect on reality. You deserve your delusions because you're an unapologetically arrogant retard. Won't matter what dumb shit passed through your empty head and out your sausage fingers in the end. Cope.

making cope threads and talking about cope is, in my opinion, one of the BIGGEST copes possible!

this thread is for lalalala can't hear you smug smirks only ala tucker carlson, go go! debate and debunk each other!

>>193748
>A debate isn't a dialogue?
yes unless it isn't
>I think you are wrong.
wrong thinking
>I see it otherwise
I see counterwise
>nowadays people retreat
cool they are safe there
>to their own little hugboxes
like in war of the worlds?
>echochambers
echo echo echo…
>and refuse to
agree to?
>argue with
without?
>others.
alone
>This
that
>has disastrous effects
I can has?
>one of them
two of them?
>being that oversensitive
to be around senses
>retards like
edgy r word
>this guy
that guy? you sure?
>are more and more
twice huh
>common.
wealth
>I don't change
stinky boi
>my views
what do your elf eyes see?
>unless
marge she's dead :(
>I seriously reconsider
you are so serious
>them because of some good argument
no, argument bad
>I receive from others.
woah you can pitch, we don't judge
>Debates are the most important element
where is the periodic table?
>in developing your own
my precious…
>philosophy and opinions.
new age, I dig it
>Without contrast
calibrate it
>you will fall into cold
I'll buy a scarf
>dead
noo RIP
>stiff
hehehe I see what you did there
>dogmatism like that
yeah like that
>other guy, again for example.
that guy? let him be

>>193753
On behalf of perpetually retarded solipsist, I must say that you are an incorrect not smart person!!! Believe my magic NOW!

>>193752
Now THAT'S a cope.

>>193748
dude, you are completely wasting your time on these people. there are people who view any kind of disagreement with their world views as a personal attack on themselves as people. as such they tend to react with emotional outburst rather than dialogue. this is a commonplace weakness. another is intransigence. most people view their personal opinions and subjective world views as the objective truth while at the same time strongly believing that they don't do this. revising your opinions, especially long/deeply held ones requires a person to be humble, flexible, and to some degree courageous. it's very hard to unbend your pride enough to admit someone else's arguments are more sound than your own when you are arguing about something you are highly invested in. and it can be frightening, frankly, when you contemplate that something you have believed in for a long time might not be true. i actively strive to be open to change, but i still struggle with it. i think pretty much everyone does.

another point to bring up is what happens when you contradict the politics of a community. that's an easy way to get posts dismissed out of hand.

>antinatalism (implying you care about reducing suffering for anyone except yourself)
>idealizing death and suicide, thinking you will just kill yourself if things get bad enough (see you tomorrow)
>philosophical pessimism (oh I'm soo blackpilled about everything and this life is like so sucks dude *goes on to enjoy life after writing to strangers on imageboards about how much he hates existence*)

there are wizards like myself who will chuckle over this, but many will be pretty irritated. and to a degree, its understandable. these are the kind of things normal fags constantly argue against (usually out of an abject mix of stupidity and cowardice) so its understandable why many wizards can't take a step back and laugh about it considering the context in which they (we) usually have to deal with this in the outside world. on this level i sympathize with them. on the other hand, a lot of people might be unwilling to consider the fact that these might legitimately be copes because they lean on them so much, which i think is cowardly.

anyway, you have to be careful how your choose to talk to these people. either you shouldn't do it, or if you do, you have to significantly modulate your conversational/logical framework.>>193748

>>193767
some wizzies simply don't care about politics or infighting, it shouldn't frighten you this much

>>193750
>Continue thinking words have some effect on reality.
Apparently they do have effects on reality since they are making your anus hurt so much. Haha. With this post you confirmed my suspicions about you either being an actual simpleton or just trolling.

>>193760
I see someone gave you a philosophy book and this is the result. You don't give monkeys intellectual stuff, otherwise they will use definitions like you use "solipsist" completely out of place and context.

>>193767
The interesting question is why these particular copes are so common around here, namely suicide, pessimism and antinatalism. I suspect they are still after-effects of the original wizardchan in-cel v9k culture. Because these things heavily imply you aren't satisfied with the wiz life.

This place has potential to develop into something like ancient Greece was, a culture where very different opinions clashed with each other, a place where free spirits come for inspiration. Instead I sadly see that some dogmatic wizards want to build a "church" where only their image of wizard is accepted and others are branded as heretics. I would rather have a wizchan where everyone has genuine and original thoughts than some hugbox where everyone parrots the same thing again and again. Maybe it's just me.

>>193788
They aren't "buzzwords" when they perfectly describe how you're acting, you drooling dipshit. All that stuff about "oh I just want a good debate to challenge my views!" should go without saying, but you're a stubborn narcissist and think saying it covers your ass well enough. You fancy yourself Mr. Intellectual Inquiry and yet you can't even start with something basic like not misrepresenting others' words and making baseless assumptions about their lives and motivations. You are incredibly disingenuous or have a very poor grasp on English. Take your pick. Honestly, why not both?
Yes, genetics are more important than "creating meaning" out of life through hobbyism or whatever vague drivel you're peddling. Your short, miserable, pathetic life is a blink compared to billions of years of life devouring itself. You're wrong whether or not you loaded a "most" in there. Cope.

>>193789
epic cope

>>193794
>This place has potential to develop into something like ancient Greece
No one who unironically types this should be calling anyone else pretentious lol. Well, this place got the pederasty bit down pat.

>>193788
>u mad
>haha
>in-cel
>mass replies, on site without captcha
What do you forgot here again, tourist?

>>193789
>Your short, miserable, pathetic life is a blink compared to billions of years of life devouring itself.
Babby first nihilism tier.

>>193788
Redditors pseudointelectuals like you has no tight to call others simplentons.

>>193800
What's incorrect about it?

>>193789
And still no answer to any one of my questions regarding your philosophy. Shame. Just more baseless insults and belly ache over the fact that someone dared to question your sacred dogmas. This is very entertaining, keep making a fool out of yourself. I won't insult you anymore, excuse me if I did, I always try to protect and stand up for genuine retards like you in real life because I pity your kind.

>You fancy yourself Mr. Intellectual
I don't. I just hate it when people use words they don't even know the meaning of.

>Yes, genetics are more important than "creating meaning" out of life through hobbyism or whatever vague drivel you're peddling.
What you mean is people should get upset over things they can't change instead of focusing on the aspects of existence that is in their control? I'm sure you saw many genetically inferior people to you who were happier and more content with life than you were. Hm, why is that?

>Your short, miserable, pathetic life is a blink compared to billions of years of life devouring itself.
You can stop projecting now, there-there. "Short" - compared to what? There were many people in history who didn't even get to live as long as I will live. Or compared to the universe? Yeah no shit, we aren't immortal? Are you some teenager who thought about death for the first time? "Miserable and pathetic" - I enjoy life pretty much, thank you for your concern. I advise you to try the same too instead of trying to inject others with your bitterness, resentment and anger.

>>193796
You are implying that wizards can't be intellectuals or free thinkers? Why do I feel failed norm vibes again?

>>193797
>>193801
The hivemind has arrived to defend its herd values. In this case it is pessimism, antinatalism and the idealization of suicide. You don't have to try so hard to fit in, wizkids.

>>193659
It's called being human. People need something to cope or else everyone would rope themselves.

>>193808
Just write a book about your values already

>>193808
Literally the only times you've asked questions, they come off as rhetorical and insincere. Even in this response, you pull the same shit yet again while still misrepresenting what I said about genetics.
>What you mean is people should get upset over things they can't change instead of focusing on the aspects of existence that is in their control?
Directly quote where I implied this, because all I've claimed is that genetics are paramount. You're a dumb fuck and read waaaay too far into shit, just like your judgment of people showing indifference or passive support toward the suicidal.
>I just hate it when people use words they don't even know the meaning of.
No, it's a common theme with your responses. You latch onto a couple individual words and bellyache about them for half your essay because you think it makes for a good substitute to having a real argument. If you don't want to be labeled as those things, then maybe you should try doing the basic courtesy of not misrepresenting others in every way imaginable?
>I won't insult you anymore
>I always try to protect and stand up for genuine retards like you
That pledge lasted all of one second and you continued seething throughout lol.
>I advise you to try the same too instead of trying to inject others with your bitterness, resentment and anger.
I'll be sure to take advice from a naive mid-20s retard with an obvious feminine streak and lack of self-awareness when I need beauty tips or tips on approaching men.
>Why do I feel failed norm vibes again?
It's funny that you pull out this buzzy terminology not only because of what you were crying about earlier, but also because you immediately go on to claim others are trying too hard to fit in. It's moot to whine about "muh hiveminds" or whatever when you aren't getting banned for being an optimist (doubtful with how much you whinge about nothing) or whatever you are championing. People don't agree with you, so what? Get the fuck over it, child.
It's an imageboard, by the way. These places were never known for "intellectual" discussion (did you already forget that you said you didn't consider yourself one anyway?). Go meet some academics if you want something beginning to approach that, but you're still a goofy dweeb for the way you worded it. There were plenty of retards like you back then, too, so it's a dumb romanticization to apply.

>>193808
You’re that pro-natalist scum. I know everything about you, your mindset, your goal. You’re a normal who come here to preach normal, traditionalist values so people will be stop being virgin. I remember your previous post even when you said there should more people born not less.
Everything you defend is unwizardly, you’re an intruder an outsider.

>>193816
I don't think so. Roping yourself is still a cope, after you realize this you will be enlightened. It is possible to live life without being delusional and one should try to live this way.

>>193824
The thought crossed my mind a few times, one time I started writing it but my views weren't as coherent back then so I stopped with it. And nowadays the question is to me: is it worth the effort? People write books to share their wisdom with others. I don't know if there is any point in it. Was philosophy a mistake? I'm not talking about human knowledge or wisdom in general but about the written pieces of philosophy and philosophy as we know it nowadays. I think often that philosophers did more damage than good to the reputation of philosophy and to humanity itself.

>>193828
Willpower, luck and good insight/wisdom are more important than genetics. You stress the importance of genetics as if we still lived in the jungle or the stone age. People with inferior or bad genes can equal or outshine people with healthy genes. Genes aren't omnipotent factors that set in stone everything. Your insistence on genetics is a fault in your reasoning, your mind craves simple answers for how the world works and for your own life, you pick out one tiny aspect of existence and exalt it above everything. Genetics is the new god, something you can blame for everything and something you can point to to explain everything in the world.

Give one example where I used a word or definition incorrectly. You called me a "solipsist" a couple of times, do you know what it means? I don't think so. Of course you will now look it up on some web dictionary.
I don't insult you, you are just oversensitive. I can tell because you defend your values with the vehement zeal of some teenager dogmatist who first reached some kind of philosophical conclusion and thinks he figured everything out in life. (A tip: you just took for granted whatever ideology you read about on chans.) Anyway, if you feel like I insult you that is your problem. You probably have some inferiority complex because my thoughts are too "hard" for you to understand. When I likened you to actual retards I wasn't talking bad about you, there are many people out there who have trouble grasping basic theories and arguments. It's nothing to be ashamed of. You don't need to be so hostile and aggressive just because you envy my intellect.
>I'll be sure to take advice from a naive mid-20s retard with an obvious feminine streak and lack of self-awareness when I need beauty tips or tips on approaching men.
Oh that's rich coming from a delicate snowflake like you who can't even handle the fact that people disagree with him and question his philosophy.

There is a hivemind on this site, don't even try to deny it. You have to like Schopenhauer, Ligotti, Benatar, Cioran, you have to suffer all the time and be miserable, you have to hate existence and you have to care about the suffering of every living thing on the planet. lol Otherwise you aren't de tru wiz. Like I said, you people are trying to build a church at this point, where only pessimist, antinatalist, suicidal "wizards" are welcome and other wizards are excluded. I say reverse this process and let wizards broaden their horizons.
I'm not an intellectual but that doesn't mean we should just allow this place to be low quality posts. It's not being "academic" or "intellectual" to want to keep the quality of posts high. If you want to read low-effort bait posts then go to 4chan or reddit or social media.

>>193829
Despite claiming that you know everything about me you obviously don't understand what I stand for. I'm anything but someone who supports traditional values. Antinatalism is failed norm-tier self-hating, life-hating propaganda. Wizards should enjoy life more than others and should represent everything that is good and beautiful in existence. By hating on existence so much you acknowledge you are a failed norm who is upset with his life and is dissatisfied with himself. You acknowledge normals are right. True wizards embrace existence, not deny it.

>>193835
Literally none of those things are bigger factors than genetics by definition. One individual of a species getting lucky or expressing some vague sort of "willpower" are exceptions. If you build your worldview around exceptions rather than rules, you are what I would call a solipsist. You're so deeply stuck up your own ass that you want to argue reality. It's a funny hole you dug for yourself, thinking these are my opinions on how things should be rather than how they are. If you don't like that definition, I don't really give a shit. Everything else said about you is spot-on and you continue to prove that it is over and over.
By the way, retard, I don't care if you throw out some more impotent insults. I was only pointing out a good example of your ability to vigorously uphold the commitments you yourself set, which is to say that you can't to the slightest degree. There you go again, wilfully misinterpreting what was said.
>Oh that's rich coming from a delicate snowflake like you who can't even handle the fact that people disagree with him and question his philosophy.
Says the whiny faggot that keeps crying how more people don't blindly agree with him.
>There is a hivemind on this site, don't even try to deny it.
I do deny it. You aren't having moderation step in and direct a narrative in this instance. You're literally just complaining about how more people should agree with you. If other posters want to step in and affirm your views, you aren't going to see me crying about hiveminds and circlejerks or whatever other retarded name for the same cope you might shit out.
>Like I said, you people are trying to build a church at this point, where only pessimist, antinatalist, suicidal "wizards" are welcome and other wizards are excluded.
Just because you are choosing to fixate on a poster demographic you personally don't like doesn't make this true by any stretch of the imagination, but you've come off very presumptuous thus far anyway. It makes me wonder how sheltered you are that you handwave everyone else's feelings. You clearly don't know what life is like for a lot of these people on a daily basis, so it makes not one lick of sense how you can so stubbornly believe your half-baked "just be happy dude" or "just improvebrah" "advice" could comprehensively apply to all your detractors, especially when it seems like you can't even begin to contemplate why they are so pessimistic.
>If you want to read low-effort bait posts then go to 4chan or reddit or social media.
If you think talking past everyone and emptily thumping your chest are keeping "the quality of posts high," you really are self-deluding. Continue throwing a bitchfit because nobody feels inclined to put on a fake cheery attitude for you, especially when you act like a perpetually petulant slug.

>>193829
Everything you've enjoyed in your entire existence, your whole body is thanks to the natalist mindset.
You don't have to be an antinatalist to be a wizard. Some wizards enjoy their lives, get over it

>>193835
You preach lies so men here could deceive themselves and continue their miserable lives. Genetics are EVERYTHING, intelligence , dilligence , strength, talents ALL of them are genetic. If you have shit genetics you would not achieve anything. You should be banned for yout extremely obvious lies but mods don’t do their jobs much lately. You’re just a moralfag deciever who preach normalfag moralism.

White lies like everyone could achieve everything if they just work enough are evil lies. Genetic determinism is proven hundreds of times by twin studies and your lies and deceivement will not change that or your claim of anti-natalism is not reducing over all suffering.

>>193852
EVERYTHING I experienced painful, humilating and suffering is because of natalism. I really wish I never existed. My existence is a mistake that should never happened. Natalism is the most evil ideology in this world and you’re an absolute scum for defending it. DAMN the natalist mindset.

>>193835
I think it's worth the effort if you genuinely have something insightful to say. Not a lot of people do.

>>193839
I'm not talking about exceptions, this is how the world works. You can be born with ultimate good genes and it won't mean anything if you decide to spend your time on retarded things like getting addicted to drugs or alcohol for example. The only reason you place so much importance on genes is because you want to justify why you don't even try and why you can just sit back and whine. It justifies all your misery and bad decisions, it wasn't you who made those bad choices, it was your genes. This is how mentally ill people think, by the way. You might as well believe that some god or demon is controlling you, you aren't different from the average schizophrenic.
Who is actually the "solipsist" here and who is stuck up in his own ass? Who denies reality? It sure seems like it is you.

I'm not the one crying over people disagreeing with me, let's get this straight. It is you who can't tolerate anyone who is critical of your little ready-made pessimism-package of a philosophy. It is probably because you are insecure and know deep down that you are delusional. You feel like your very own personality or individuality is threatened because people disagree with you. You integrated these copes so deeply into your psyche that they became necessary parts of your being.

I wasn't talking about the mods, I was talking about the average users. People are led to believe here that you can only be a proper wiz if you adapt some certain philosophies and views about the world. There is nowhere, anywhere any implication that you need to hate life and etc. The thought of positive wizards offends you people so much. Why? Envy most likely.

And another favorite argument of mine, you used the "you just don't understand true suffering! you don't know how hard it is for us!" card. Fantastic. Yes, I'm certain no one who is happy or content with life knows about true suffering! LOL Only you suffer and people like you. Do you even hear yourself? So ironic you said before that I'm stuck in my world when you do exactly this. You are so ridiculous. You sound like some teenager really. Only you and the pessimist wizzies how much suffering there is in the world! Oh, how can you carry all the suffering of the world on your shoulders? Boy…

Yes, what I post is certainly of a higher quality than the mass posts and threads on this site about life being so awful and "it's over" repeated infinitely. It's not hard to rise above pessimist shitposts.

>>193877
You are implying that wizards can't enjoy life, I say you are wrong. There are wizards aside from me who like existence. You are only projecting.

Yeah, continue to always blame external factors for why you can't be happy. Nice cope. And what do I see, you accuse me of being a moralist? Another poster who doesn't know the words he uses as attacks. Cool. Or are you the same person? Whatever. I never advocated for any kind of morality.

Genetics is proved wrong every single day when you see people with shit genes enjoying their lives. As for antinatalism, if there are no people who experience the lessening of suffering then it doesn't reduce suffering at all. Not that reduction of suffering at all cost is something noble or a universal goal. Antinatalism is the symptom of a cowardly and sick civilization that is living its end days.

>>193878
You are in the minority then since most people don't mind living. If you hated living so much as you claim then you would have done something about it already, no? Oh, wait, you are alive because of your family, let me guess.

>>193880
I think I have it in me. Considering I don't agree with any single one philosophy or ideology fully I think I should just create my own philosophy.

>>193887
>The only reason you place so much importance on genes is because you want to justify why you don't even try and why you can just sit back and whine
You are incapable of moving on from square one I see. I don't post on dep or moan about genetics all day and I am perfectly content with my own life, but you're legitimately retarded for thinking something like flukes, being rare exceptions by definition, matter more than genetics which far more consistently dictate outcomes than anything else.
>This is how mentally ill people think
Do you know where you are? LMFAO at the naivete.
>Who is actually the "solipsist" here and who is stuck up in his own ass?
Certainly not me because I can entertain others' views without stomping my feet and demanding they stop talking about things I don't like, but I'll give it to you that "narcissist" probably describes you much better.
>Who denies reality?
Again, you hold that honor. You're stuck in your own little bubble and can't handle bad vibes like a sissy.
>next paragraph is more no u and ad hominem flimsily disguised as psychoanalysis
>what I post is certainly of a higher quality
Huh, could've fooled me!
>I wasn't talking about the mods, I was talking about the average users.
Hmm. Sounds more like a use error, like you're so cluelessly stupid that you go into threads where people are going to vent about how shit their lives are and then wonder why they don't come around to your, umm, "philosophy." Try not being a retarded faggot and sticking to the myriad threads without that sort of discussion. Otherwise, carry on with the waterworks.
>another paragraph where faggot read what he wanted to respond to instead of what was written
No, I'm just not so much of a self-absorbed homosexual as you are and can actually sympathize with others. I'm not sure you've actually offered any practical advice to pick out between all the boring posturing and whining, but you don't know the lives of every individual user so you still couldn't say it would benefit all or most of them. This appeal to your suffering yet happy token is quite childish given that, and given that many people outside of this board certainly live in misery chiefly due to their suffering, and you are essentially shitting on sickly people just because they aren't smiling wide enough for you. What a fucking brat lol.
>It's not hard to rise above pessimist shitposts.
I'll be there to cheer you on when you finally achieve your goal, little guy. Pom-poms and popcorn and all.

>>193891
You sure you don't moan about genetics all day? Because all of your posts consist of "muh genetics x 1000". You content with your life? Another thing I doubt very much, considering that you get butthurt whenever someone disagrees with you. Seriously, don't give me that. I know you hate life, your whole worldview is centered around hating on existence. At least try to be consistent a little.

You implying now that to be a wiz you don't only need to be a pessimist but need to be mentally ill/delusional too? Damn, those requirements to be tru wiz surely keep piling up.

>>Who is actually the "solipsist" here and who is stuck up in his own ass?
>Certainly not me because I can entertain others' views without stomping my feet and demanding they stop talking about things I don't like
We are having this discussion in the first place because you can't do that.

>sissy
>homosexual
Imagine someone being so full of feelings of inferiority and feeling the need to show off his "macho side" on a website dedicated to male virgins. Are you seriously underage? I'm convinced you are now.

You really can't come up with anything now, right? That is why you basically say that I'm offending the feelings of some wizards (probably yours mainly) with my attitude. One of the big common problem of the pessimist wizards is that they can't handle anyone who is remotely satisfied and happy. Don't be so full of envy and resentment, okay? It's not good for you. What you are asking for is simply "be miserable like meeeee". I don't give "practical" advice because everyone needs different sort of advice. However, universally it is good to change your perspective of things. Happiness is a matter of attitude and choice first of all. If you resolve yourself to be always bitter, like you and other pessimist wizards do, then don't be surprised if you are never happy. It is so elementary, even children know this, it's so weird having to explain this to fully grown men.
I don't really care if you and other wizards are miserable, btw. Whatever suits you and whatever you like. But I won't allow you to force your retarded views onto everyone here. I hate ignorance and delusion more than anything.

One more thing,
>You're stuck in your own little bubble and can't handle bad vibes
That is you since you would like to prevent the existence of other people because you can't accept that life isn't Disneyland. The pessimist and hedonist are one and the same.

>>193900
So, you started off doubling down on your same old assumptions. You've thoroughly proven this is about your ego more than anything by now. I am certainly more content with life to not come cry about those dratted invisible pessimists (grrr! Argh!) here every day like you've been doing. I know for certain I am of higher genetic stock and better off financially than you, so have your fun punching down like a crab in the true sense of the word and not the autistic loser competition forum sense of the word. For those suicidal wizards, I really don't particularly wish death on them past if that's what they desire for themselves, and I hope they can pass as comfortably as possible. You are the kind of pointlessly unpleasant, pretentious, self-concerned and unapologetically dumb motherfucker that should be tortured to death slowly lol. Broken record faggot, have a go at the last word because you clearly need it much more than I do. Good job not affirming your beliefs to anyone and just shitting yourself in a retarded tantrum lol.

(didnt read past first couple lines btw, try not being such a feminine emo faggot miss– i mean "mister" happy)

>>193659

yeah, you did. I'm surprised this was the first reply

>>193659
>>193900
>>193887
Nigger.

>>193887
You should be banned for your lies. Still denying truth of genetic determinism , claiming people with shit genes having happy lives. Which is absolute nonsense. EVERYTHING you post is lies and lies . You’re that pro-natalist scum. You and other pro-natalists are the most evil and wicked people on wizardchan. My hatred for you and your white lies are so extreme its stronger than power of thousand suns. Just fuck off from this website and take your lies with yoıu. You piece of shit , absolute nigger, normalfag morality preacher scum. Genetic determinism is TRUTH if someone have shit genes he will never achieve anything good you lying normal and anti-natalism is the only ideology in this world could reduce suffering.

>>193903
And the ignorant peasant finally recognizes he can't argue with a superior intellect.
>You are the kind of pointlessly unpleasant, pretentious, self-concerned and unapologetically dumb motherfucker that should be tortured to death slowly
Totally not asshurt, yep. Go chat with your antinatalist and pessimist normalfag friends. After parroting the same "muh genetics" for numerous walls of texts you are forced to acknowledge defeat before a more sophisticated, noble and cultured philosophy.

I don't think you are as dumb as you pretend you are. You are just still underage. You'll come around and you will learn to appreciate life probably when you will be older.

>>193934
Can you say something different for a change? Like actual arguments to support your theories? Let me guess, you read on some imageboard some epic post about how genes determine everything (probably on pol, r9k or here maybe) and you stopped thinking for yourself. Your mind was blown by the revelation "life sucks". Man, you are a true philosopher, accepting what others say without any critique.

>>193923
Been using wizchan for a long time, this is the only chan I use. I know the community well. I'm ashamed to say I fell for a lot of those copes as well when I was younger. That's why I only laugh when I see wizkids here promoting one of those copes.

>>193941
Why’re you not banned still yet? Pro-natalism should be a bannable offense. You’re literally a normal and your morality and belief of egalitarian lies like denying effect of genes are universal morality. You should’ve been banned long time ago for preaching lies and normalfag morality but mods are not doing their jobs. Truth is on my side though in the future reality of genetic determinism will be accepted and your lies will crumble or cause destruction of western civilization. Everything in the future will be designed around genes because people will understand genes are what determines everything.

you wrote this article huh? smug smirk level over 9000!
https://martinezperspective.net/2018/11/06/redpillers-in-normie-culture/

>>193975
Genetic determinism is an outdated idea, though. It was very popular in the 19th and 20th century. Both national socialism and communism were founded on the idea of genetic determinism. We see that their results were very anti-wizardly.

No, I don't think hard, dogmatic, scientific materialism will be the future of mankind. Even now we can see that it isn't doing a good enough job at upholding culture. We are living in your genes-obsessed dystopia right now. Crude materialism won't last long, trust me. There will yet come a time when mankind will return to appreciating the greatness of human thought and ideas over mere matter.
And you still don't understand what morality means.

even social outcasts that fall into the wizard/autist dichotomy will form social cliques and hierarchies and delve into purity spirals over who is the “truest wizard” or belongs to the board culture the most. So even these bottom tier outcasts are normalfags at heart, in reality most people are normalfags, even those who despise normalfags for being normalfags.

>>193658
Everything is a cope when you think about it.

>>193703

>Survival isn't the absolute goal of life

That’s just your opinion.

>You aren't determined for anything, you do what you want to do, I know it is comfy to feel like everything is outside of your control but you are deluding yourself.

The opposite is true. I know it is comfy to feel like everything is within your control, but it’s not, you are deluding yourself. You are coping.

>Reducing suffering shouldn't be the main goal of existence.

That’s just your opinion. It’s also wrong, because every action you take is done to reduce suffering. You can even suffer to reduce suffering if it somehow reduces the total suffering in the life of an individual or the community.

>Even if reducing suffering is your goal, reducing suffering only means anything if there are people in existence who can appreciate how there is less suffering.

No man, no problem.

>>194383
>That’s just your opinion.
That's just YOUR opinion.

>I know it is comfy to feel like everything is within your control, but it’s not
Never said everything is within our control, only that we have choices.

>every action you take is done to reduce suffering
No, this is just hedonism trying to claim universal value above everything. If you observe people carefully, even yourself, you can see that people don't posit pleasure as the highest goal of their lives. If everyone cherished hedonism so much then we wouldn't have any kind of conflicts in our world.

People just want to do whatever they want to do, even if it is stupid or brings them overall more suffering than pleasure.

>>194381
True.

>>194382
Life is a series of copes.

>>194403
Cope

People who deny the importance of IQ.
Came to a realization that most of my problems relating to uni and studying were attributed to my dead average intelligence, not because of my emotional struggles, although they did play some part. Yet there are tons of depressed normalfags who coast through academia easily, due to their somewhat above average intellect and memorization skills.
Being low iq/average is a death sentence to us who can't work menial jobs or who want slightly higher Qol.

>>194460
This %100 true. Most of my problems comes from me being low intelligent. Higher iq would’ve helped a lot.

>>194461
Most of my problems come from having a high IQ. Life on a different wavelength

>>194405
Cope

>>193658
This, >>193659
projecting a cope of a cope. It's obvious how you can't argue against humans being animals and animals being biological machines, or the anti-natalists, or the determinism of the universe (well, this one you could argue, but it would likely be a moot point)… but you mirror, you subvert first, that way, it may not seem like a cope, to the uninitiated… Very similar to one of the many weapons succubi uses… theatricality and deception… but we are initiated…. aren't we Bruce?

nice copes guys

>>194471
Humblebragging lying scum.

>>194490
I can argue against anyone, it's not my fault people can't give me satisfying answers that would make their copes not seem like copes.
Calling anyone who disagrees with you a succubus doesn't make you right, it just proves you don't have any arguments to offer.

Like I said, it is hilarious how dogmatic some people here are, thinking they have the entire universe figured out and every question answered.

>>194517
I see you continue the attempt at trickery, null segments and circular logic… apprentice… You merely adopted these tactics, I was born destroying them, I didn't stoped arguing and destroying succubus tactics until I was already a wizard… You have no power here! Begone unholy one!

Life is MEGA COPE