/hob/ - Hobbies

>>67595
Go away.
Use distractions that are at least tangible.

i OP, i have a genuine interest in create a public entity(servitor) with the purpose of helping Wizards throught the astral plane, similar to a goetia daemon, but obviously not as powerful in the beginning. We can create its sigil and charging him using various methods. The advantage of a public servitor is that it becomes powerful in much less time than a personal servitor.

However, the creator must take care and not put its configuration any ill intentions. For the sake of safety it must be a temporal servitor that can last from anything between six months to one year after he's charged. But in general its fairly safe, a artificial elemental will never be dangerous as a real daemon. The main purpose is to becomes a personal spiritual body guard for no more than a bunch of wizards.

>>67597
First post is indubitably the best post, magic is for succubi and eunuchs.

if you want real magic, learn psychology

>>67601
>says that in a website called wizardchan

you good, pal?

>>67603
Wizardry is not magic, it is elemental power drawn from male virginity at the age of 30. What you propose is sorcery, you mental midget.

They said I would gain the wizard powers of a lvl 5 wizard by remaining a virgin loser. I'm a virgin loser and still can't shoot fireballs.

I am highly skeptical of magic but at the same time I have an interest in it. My study of science leads me to be skeptical of things that you cannot empirically test.
Nevertheless I am open minded. The school of magic that seems most plausible to me is chaos magic.

I was into alchemy in my younger years

>>67616
What is the clear distinction between alchemy and chemistry?

>>67606
Are you 30?

>>67617
esoterism, the other one being science

Did the occult wizzer do any research into bio-electricity and the earth's magnetic fields? I find it very interesting that it is possible to transmit information using magnetism and wonder whether or not these fields could be an explanation for supposed telepathy, remote viewing etc

IE some thoughts leak out into a person's bioelectrical field, which possibly could be accessed by tapping into the earth's magnetic field. The evidence for "telepathy" is often quite sleight, a 5-10% increase in hit rate for normal people but some seem to be unusually lucky when they do this.

Satan-min made this site reliant on google recapcha just to torture us

>>67600
I could help in this activity, but my abilities leave much to be desired. if you are interested, write your discord or email men

>>67615
Magic is actually something you should empirically test, in that regard, it is akin to science.
The difference is that the results of magic are highly subjective, as they are in the domain of the subconscious and superconscious. They do not pertain to physical matter but to your own deep psychology, and western science has made virtually no progress whatsoever in this area. As a corollary, magic is also not quantifiable or measurable, therefore not apt for the methods of science.
There is also a very great deal of charlatanery surrounding it, and much of what is of substance is obscured by arcane language, such as with alchemy, and unfamiliar imagery from mystical traditions long neglected in our rationalist/materialist mindset.
It is imperative that the practicant be a sceptic at all times.

>>67693
shit i can't write, s/sceptic/skeptic/ stay clean wiz

>>67595
What's this diagram? I think I saw it a couple of times in anime or somewhere? Does it have some meaning?

>>67773
Tree of life.
It's related to Jewish mystism/kabbalah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_life_(Kabbalah)

>>67774
You have forgotten the most important thing to say that the entire Western tradition in magic is built on this system. And this is the basis of all occultism, but there are other systems that copy it
Sorry for being a bit of a bore. It's just important to me, I spend a lot of time studying the Great Work
(and I'm still the author of the thread)

>>67777
>You have forgotten the most important thing to say that the entire Western tradition in magic is built on this system
I haven't forgotten because that isn't even remotely true.
There is more to the various western traditions then the golden dawn style kabbalah inspired high ceremonial magic.
It is but one branch on a very big very old tree. It isn't the whole tree.

>>67779
You shouldn’t speak so negatively about Zara, she gives basic understanding. What do you want to say under the big tree? I only know about two trees. Where can I read about this?

>>67781
Schizo post aren't funny.
Stop.

>>67779
>>67782
Seems like a samefaggy Wicca wizzy to me…
Those interested in similar subject matter would also do well to look into the Qlippoth as well. Feel free to ignore the ramblings of this FOOL.

>>67595
I studied geophysics at university and I have read fair amount of physics. I teach and tutor physics and maths as a profession.

One thing to understand is that physics does not explain reality; it describes it. A magnetic field is a description of a region in which iron, nickel or cobalt will experience a magnetic force. We have have detailed mathematical descriptions of the way in which these objects experience forces. Maxwell’s equations. Perfect mathematical description of the electric and magnetic fields.

But this still does not answer why there is a force of magnetic attraction. Why do things fall? Aristotle said Earth attracts Earth. Newton said mass attracts to mass with a force inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the masses. But why? Einstein said that it is because the masses warp space time - 4D description of space and time that we can use to make predictions that can be tested. But why?
Each description in physics just pushes the why question one further back.


Schopenhauer saw that physics is a description of the surface of things. But the surface is implying a depth. A depth of something unknowable or at least untestable at the moment.

>>68600
nice post, god knows what will happen if we have the answers of these questions

>>68601
Engineres would uses said answers to create things informed by the improvement in understanding.

Scientist would use them as starting points for the next questions to explore.

>>68602
dince youre a geophysics can you tell me if a river can cross a coline?

>>68603
This guy>>68602 was not me. No disrespect to him but I think English might not be his first language.

I studied geophysics at university. I did my third year dissertation on near surface geophysics. I have never heard of a 'coline'.

>>68605
what I mean is,
can a river cross a mountain?
sorry I'm also an ESL

>>68606
you mean like through a tunnel?
or going uphill momentarily?

>>68607
>going uphill momentarily?
yes, a river crossing a mountain going uphill and then go down

>>68607
like this

Some dharma studies can be quite esoteric, very practical in use especially when dealing with suffering and loss in life. -

From experience I suggest just read up and apply the basic teaching and master that. The basis of dharma is practical life advice that can bring you to a state of skillful means and attunement with subtle magic.

>>67595
As for today nobody has been able tell how kabbalah could ever best this.
>yea i'm shilling
>thanks to this i lost the anxiety for getting a slaveplace
>i stop chasing their crap
>after they told me stupid rabble like "why do you want to work with us" or "i don't see you quite motivated"
>i even had to publicly scorn a mid-management sucker in front of everyone because he mobbed me
>it felt damn great, i even got paid and extra not like normies who stayed there sucking cock or just resigning because they could stand the douche
>and i got paid after being fired for that
>still running on this, it's lifechanging
>you can tell it's great because of much hatred it gets from wizmods and soyfags around here

>>68675
I checked this Human Design thing out, and it seems that the only thing that matters in this is your date and time of birth? That's really not convincing, it's just a different kind of astrology. What about early births, or medical situations where the child had to be prematurely extracted through c-section? Does Human Design account for that, or should those people add a few days or weeks to their date of birth?

Just like with astrology, the info they give is applicable to almost everyone, I mean everyone will think "this about me so much fr fr" upon reading the results. And if a trait doesn't match, you could make the argument that it's a hidden trait that hasn't yet manifested itself.

Sorry, but no.

>>68609
nah, rivers don't really go up, only down; that's the point of a flow

Anyone read Iamblichus?

Apparently, he is the go to for a classical defence and understanding of Pagan and magical practises. Iamblichus sees Gods and Daemons are real entities that exist on another plane of reality. We are joined to their will through the rituals. The gods are known through the rituals.

Rituals are known only through special revelation. Iamblichus has particular respect for Egyptian practises.

From an epistemological point of view, I have always wondered if there is knowledge (justified true belief) that can only be gained only through something beyond ordinary empirical experience or pure deductive logic.

>>70472
Two different perceptions of magic. One is like Chaos magick - based on psychology and post modernism; the idea that you can manipulate your perceived reality based on the manipulation of your own beliefs.
The other is like Iamblichus. Your beliefs do not matter. What matters is the ritual and the accuracy of the ritual which aligns your reality with that of the God or spirit which is objectively real.

Iamblichus seems more exciting but Chaos Magick may be more plausible.

No idea really. I sort of wish I had (occult) knowledge of something. Something that regular experience and logic could not unlock. There may be something.

>>70473
>>70472
>Magic explanation
Crowley in a way in some book was into some psychological explanation of things
in another was into a religious belief in some way pagan
in other was more into the way of Duquette everything its in your mind but you dont know how big its is
but Crowley actually told a student that in magic you call outer occult forces like gods, angels, spirits and etc.
Who fuck knows, the dude changed from that his genius or HGA was a psychological phenomena to a magical occult third party entity out of control of him that make a possesion of his wife and write a damn religious book like an spiritist.
in some text he says that demons of goetia are just part of the brain, i dont know.
or maybe the two posibilies even if are a contradiction are valid.
Crowley was Agnostic, later more Chaoist, later more pagan, and later more religious and later who fuck knows maybe just trippy dude.
>fringe belief into psy
Some guys of chaos magic have some fringe belief beyond agnosticism or atheistic view in a sense just to open something to a psy-powers thing or something. its a kinda rare belief, its more rare than the typical that magick is just doing material things or not to achieve objetives or things, like hypnosis (yep, magick with K is more related to material world than the old paranormal magic)
in some way you can call that everything is just hypnosis or maybe in the more fringe belief this hypnosis with ritual open something to a psy-powers or who knows.
>RAW and mind powers, maybe
Robert Anton Wilson sometimes was in the middle between paranormal and agnosticism and the dude have a lot of fringe-paranormal maybe explainable experiences into a cosmic schizo shit. you can call it that view into quantum things but the dude sometimes was more into something weird is happening and other times that's its just something materialistic psychological.
He first try to relate it to scientific knowledge of its time like the brain waves, alpha state, altered state of mind, drugs, hypnosis and etc (he in some book tried some experiments with this around sound, waves and etc and he says that in some waves he know its is mood when he start to have prophecies and things that by experience he know happen) but this mindwave thing was some woo today, but who knows.
even later the dude try to relate HGA, leary and 8 circuit model and is metaprogaming idea to bicameral mind, but this belief of how brain work is debunked and he abandoned this idea in the book lion of lights and he actually admit that now that bicameral mind is in some way debunked he dont know have a theory or idea for how the thing works for him now around the brain.
(he even in some way related three pillars of qaballah to three parts of the brain, this is qaballah lore shit but you see he actually in some way try to relate this to the brain)
a lot of thing around metaprogramming, HGA, Genius and etc sound like a thing the Tulpa guys of the Tulpa comunnity will do if you ask me.
Some old hypnosis papers say that people with imaginary friend have a lot of suggestionability for hypnosis, even adults, maybe that help with rituals and in a way that was what crowley want when he wanted to get HGA and cross the abyss and return to 0 the fool or children or get the aeon of the children.
>Also
Scientific dudes call all of this just bias but when weird shit start to happen material science cant explaint these things just by cognitive disonance or BS bacause weird thing keep happenings and this' is not just yeah its just self BS or just schizo mind who knows.

I have read few text on magic but it requires many leaps of faith just like religion, just like anything really. I yawned and closed the book. Maybe it is as true as anything else but man, I don't care.

I am exhausted by things and knowledge.

If you're gonna seek something obscure why don't you try something which actually delivers like neoplatonism. I'm sorry but this just looks to me like some scam for normies

Qliphoth traveller here, i fornicate with the demon queens and they teach me debaouchery and magick in dreams. Basically i'm still stuck at lust. I went beyond but found out it's fucking horrible (nofap,semen retention). It's like the soul stands bare before the almighty. This spehere is brutal, took me about six months of this shit to give up. So went back to Lilith,Naamah,Babalon, Ishtar and all the other aspects of Venus. Beautiful, warm pleasure But i gotta go through this sphere to cross the abyss and become that black diamond. Free from the loop, free from the wheel doing whatever the fuck i want. Warning though, once you start this journey there's no getting off, you either burn or ascend. Horrible things will happen to your soul,mind and body. The alternative is coming back to this shithole. The other way, is that dark soul piercing evil that child molestors do like that guy from The True Detective or Epstein. You entrap souls in that awful awful loop and you get more free everytime you do it. The dark side of indian mages know this, they eat the dead, rape their sisters/mothers and know they ascend. The path to God is horrible.

>>70544
what kind of magick do they teach you?
or do i have to learn it myself from them?

I've always had an interest in magic, but I'm kind of over at this point. Over the better part of nearly 15 years I've dabbled in and explored every tradition imaginable, sought out every book I could, even went looking for practitioners (guru's and masters) in real life and I never found anything that satisfied me.
All the Golden Dawn derived stuff is trash, the Solomonic grimoire tradition is nonsense as well, all the New Age witchcraft stuff is hokey too. Even the niche stuff barely anybody's heard about is nonsense. Nobody can actually do magic, or convincingly demonstrate any abilities. All occultists are fat bald guys that seem to die prematurely. If magic is out there it's certainly hidden from everyone, and all the material available on it is a bunch of nonsense.

I wish magic worked. I recited Ipos enn for months to try to make me less shy and more charismatic and nothing happened.
It was weird, it makes me feel "phantom" sensations in my body, as if something was moving inside me. But there was never any change in my personality :/

Renaissance magic interests me. A time in which the hard division between science and the occult had not yet been made. The idea that there are hidden sympathies or connections in reality that humans can tap into and exploit.
Science is the study of the behaviour of natural phenomenon and description according to mathematical laws. Religion is the invocation of supernatural beings such as Gods through prayer and ritual. Magic is tapping into these hidden sympathies in reality. Like glitches or cheat codes in a game perhaps.

Physics is understanding the mechanics of the game and how objects behave in this world. Perhaps there is a deeper source code for reality. Something someone can tap into. Some hidden glitches or codes.

I have never seen evidence of anything ‘supernatural’ in the way magicians and occultists describe. Most of the technology we use right now would seem beyond our ancestors wildest dreams almost but nobody is impressed or in awe for long. Computers and AI become wrapped into our everyday life despite it being more incredible than most magic imagined during the past 2000 years. Something about the hidden-ness of the occult and its exclusivity gives it an appeal. Some hidden sympathies or things missed by science that only a few are privy to.

>>71192
I think it also has to do with the fact that magic is perceived as a solitary endeavor. Science and engineering are team efforts that involve several people collaborating to reach a particular goal. The wizard or witch, on the other hand, is a lonely figure living on the fringes of society, performing strange rituals that only a select few understand.

It looks very romantic to pursue the secrets of the universe alone in your room through magic, but of course it's all utter bullshit. None of that works.

>>70604
Hi there, i the Psychonautic Wizz
>Golden Dawn stuff
We all know is all made up but the techniques worked back in time and even when the gd members learned that's all made up and even after that, why? Who knows. Florence Farr and Crowley are the best examples, Assuption of godforms sound like a method actor technique to alter your personality for a while, banishing and invocation can turn your mind chill, holy, focused if you achieve the experience, evocation is like a pray and can let you feel safe or relaxed, visualizations can relax and focus your mind and body, Kabalistic tree can be used as a mnotechnique device for memory arts, you learn to sing and to move in soft ways in rituals and that focus more your mind, you learn color theory, art, history, myth, Hypnosis and beliefs. You learn how to make talisman that maybe work or not but the whole process is kinda hypnotic to your mind and the new material thing with supposed occult hidden forces attached to it. You learn new ways to think and in same way can achieve altered states of mind thanks to focus in rituals, associations, colors, smells, tattwas, etc. You achieve OBE and a lot of interesting experiences. Sigils can be a kinda art therapy and learn you no-attachment to results if you get in good terms the theory.
You didnt learn anything useful Wizz? You just do it for money or woo-woo powers? Learn the no attachment to result, no lure for results, the middle, the game of hodge podge and you maybe will learn how magick and hypnosis work.
Start to see it in a Psychonautic agnostic way, start to see it in a way that you are playing with your nerveous system.

>>71146
>It was weird, it makes me feel "phantom" sensations in my body, as if something was moving inside me. But there was never any change in my personality
You achieved a experience, keep doing or chill out. But the best questions is, if you want to change your personality is something natural to you or forced? Its just a thing of behaviours and routines, try some psychal exercise, somatic exercises and maybe some meditation things first.

>>71185
>Rennaicesanse magic
A lot of magician and occultist of these times actually got experiences and belief that these entities they call maybe are just their mind, kinda scientific for their times.
>Material things with essenses
The doctrine of correspondences of swedenborg-plato partially got it place in Golden Dawn kabalistic tree logic, today wiccan, new agers and chaoist put random symbols to use, if it work for you, it work. That the use of Symbolic Efficacy in favour of beliefs and ways to act, do, move and keep doing.
The ritual is just a psychodramatic thing.
>>71192
>Supernatural
A lot of things can be explained in altered state of mind phenomena, but there's things that maybe cant be explained in normal sense of rationality after working with this things. That's why is good to take everything with grain of salt, do it, no-attachment to result and do wathever you need to do.

>>71193
>It looks very romantic to pursue the secrets of the universe alone in your room through magic, but of course it's all utter bullshit. None of that works.
Maybe you're not going to achieve the secrets of the universe in your lone room
playing with wands, sword, candles, cups, tables, colors and greek-jew-christian-egyptian-gnostic-hermetics-thelemic sing hyms and more woo-woo shit for a lot of people.
But maybe you can learn some secret of your mind-body and how beliefs and attention works.

I like to think sometimes that the science stretching in various directions have perhaps only just covered the surface and superficial explanations of reality.

I read something by Schopenhauer where he talks about two kinds of causality: one physical and one metaphysical. For example, say a man punches another man. You could desire the causality of that action as the action of one particle on another under the basic laws of physics. Momentum and energy conserved in a collision; everything acting under the four fundamental forces (strong nuclear, weak nuclear, electromagnetism and gravity) since the big bang. Maybe if Laplaces demon knew the position and momentum of every particle in space it could it predict the man punching the other man or me typing this out right now. The coordinates of particles in space.
But we can also explain the man punching another man in terms of hormones and muscles. And on a higher level in terms of psychology and motivation and will and sentience. Maybe the man had a bad childhood and lost his temper at this time of day ect…
Each of these explanations might describe/explain/predict the behaviour of a man but can they all be true at once?

Schopenhauer infers that as for a human, so is true for all things in the world. Schopenhauer infers that the fundamental drive behind action in the world is will.
Forces and energy and momentum and equations of motion are concepts and descriptions that yield predictions which can be measured. Do they actually explain why things happened? Maybe not.
So I think that perhaps beneath the causality that the scientific method has described there may be some deeper level we have not even scratched the surface off.
In that depth we might find strange and hidden sympathies beyond our current comprehension.
Some hidden magic. Somewhere, someone will discover a depth that our ancestors glimpsed.

>>71220
Physics can absolutely explain things in a legitimate sense. Newtonian mechanics doesn't merely say that an object moved, it provides a dynamical structure from which its motion follows. Modern physics goes further still. It's not superficial at all.

The reason physics and chemistry don't answer the ultimate metaphysical questions of philosophers is that those questions are often nonsense. There's a crucial distinction between an unanswered question and a question that is malformed. The “glimpse” of our ancestors was a myriad of hits and misses that eventually brought us to the scientific method. Why would you want to go back to Paleolithic thinking? The universe is wondrous enough as it is without all that nonsense muddying our understanding of it.

>>71146
>I wish magic worked. I recited Ipos enn for months to try to make me less shy and more charismatic and nothing happened.
Enns are from Demonolatry and is a made up practice by S. Conelly, in never tried something like that but from what i reading (based in golden dawn and crowley knowledge i learned) its sound like a mantra and sigil focus with some form of evocation into a invocation. Its not a medieval old practice and is a thing made up for Demonolatry.
In a way is similar to some Tantra practices that uses these draws and recite prays to evoke deities, i dont have experience at this practice i sorry.
>It was weird, it makes me feel "phantom" sensations in my body, as if something was moving inside me. But there was never any change in my personality :/
Sound like a effect of invocation, in a way sound like assuption of godform but its not the same.
You just did this of loop the enns in pray or mantra form and there's no ritual or etc? You have fear or respect for supposed entities summoned? You did it in focus in a healthy way without attachment? In good sleep or traspasing the sleep time?
In a lot of ways your mentality and control over operation affect result, i dont know much about demonolatry practice but i partially sure this is not from goetia or old grimoires.
>Also
Evocation is kinda easy, read the Arbatel (with or without christian morality) and follow the procedure and add if you want more correspondences like colors, signs, smells etc.

>>71220
>I like to think sometimes that the science stretching in various directions have perhaps only just covered the surface and superficial explanations of reality.

It is exactly so!

>>71220
>I like to think sometimes that the science stretching in various directions have perhaps only just covered the surface and superficial explanations of reality.

member when 9gag was new and it would just steal stuff cool imageboard users made? that's what i think science is in large part. just a mechanism for order-followers to colonize the work of individuals who think for themselves.

when science isn't just an expression of what the malevolent people with the money want to be true (like it was during covid) it just scientifically researches known phenomena that others guy/loner/autist/genius/tinkerer came up with.

or science likes to solve problems it created.

>>71237
I think you'd benefit a lot by reading this short book.

>>71238
you're conflating

>>71221
>Newtonian mechanics doesn't merely say that an object moved, it provides a dynamical structure from which its motion follows

Newtonian mechanics provides a description of how things move and under which circumstances. Newton stated that the sum of the forces on a body is equal to the rate of change of momentum (F= (mv-mu)/t). The second law and the basics of mechanics. He did not state WHY it should be so that the sum of the forces is equal to the rate of change of momentum. Why F=ma. Why a body in motion will continue in motion unless acted on by another force.

Suppose we lived in a world where Aristotelian physics was correct. Where a body stopped moving when a force was applied. Where F=mv. There is no reason why a universe like that could not exist. It might well. Perhaps there could be another universe where F = mx and when you push an object it moves but that automatically returns to its position in space when there is no force.

Newton's laws are descriptions which yield predictions that can be tested which validate the accuracy or not of the prediction.

When it was observed that Newtons laws were not perfect for describing the orbit of mercury a new mathematical description of gravity was required. Einstein and Minkowski space-time. Mass curves spacetime and objects follow.
Does spacetime even 'exist'? Philosophers and scientists cannot agree. The whole thing is a mathematical description and the actual 'reality' if it is even a thing is mysterious. The description yields predictions that are tested to be correct.

>>71246
Thanks chatgpt.

>>71247
I am worried that ‘using AI’ is becoming the new ‘Why are you using big words’. Ffs. I teach physics and maths for a living. I got these ideas from reading Leonard Susskind ‘The theoretical minimum’ This is how I know about this stuff.

>>71248
>I teach physics and maths for a living.

to people who want to hear it?

>>71249
Rich Asian families, so sort of yes. They want to achieve. They crave respect and esteem in the eyes of others and being good at physics and maths is seen as a ticket to that in their culture. Obsessed with getting into high prestige universities so parents pay me to tutor them IB/ AP/Alevel physics and maths online. How I make my living without having to leave the house much or put in too much effort. Good money as well.

Whether than translates into an actual and genuine fascination with physics and maths is another matter. Their motivation is prestige and money.

>>71250
>sort of yes

you mean to tell me the children who did not choose to go to school and did not choose to learn from you … sort of choose you because their parents think it is important…

whatever lets you sleep at night…

it's too bad that most of education is non-consensual and you are clearly on the non-consensual side of academics.

>>71251
They ‘choose’ to because they think it is important because everyone around them in their culture thinks it is important and because doing well academically will increase their honour points in their community. This is what they crave.

If you live in a culture where sports are valued above all else and sports stars are exalted as heroes and unathletic people are considered worthless pieces of shit, they you will ‘want’ to do well at sports and pay anyone to help you. Same thing with academics in Asia.

I say choose to in inverted question marks because choice is merely the meeting of desire and capability. The issue is that our desires are created for us often by mimicking others and our culture which tells us what is important.

I wonder what my Druid ancestors believed. I wish an unbroken chain of Druid traditions still existed.

>>71253
They didn't choose crap

Asian parents are abusive

Those same kids are going to be fodder for therapy later in life if they're lucky enough to live in the West

Reality is a programme. Physics describes the game mechanics but not the source code. Magic is about finding the glitches and cheats in the game mechanics, written into the source code.
Metaphysics seems to understand the source code. Who knows what the hardware is?

>>71257
>Who knows what the hardware is?
consciousness
that's the hardware this reality runs on
and not just this reality

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-teen-sentenced-35-years-devil-pact-double-murder-2021-10-28/

Some real mentally ill retards get involved in the occult; pic related. Ultimately, the whole thing is a sort of reverse Pascals Wager. If the occult is fake then the whole thing is embarrassing Harry Potter BS. If there is some truth somewhere in the occult then the odds are you are drawing the attention of possibly malevolent beings.

>>71256
>They didn't choose crap

you'd think someone who identifies with math (a field of study which markets itself to be the purest form of science and an expression of logic) would not do these kind of mental contortions but he does.

a fine example of higher education largely being the biassed disregard of any perspective not part of the pressure to utility-maximize and exploit.

dude is so divorced from reality his consciousness has shrunk down to a one-dimensional point and he can't even see anymore that the children don't want to hear his math. like a butcher who believes the animals want to be eaten because his boss told him that's what's up.

>>71261
>>71261
I think it is more to do with living in a culture where what people ‘want’ is of little importance when compared to family or societal honour.

>>71263
>I think it is more to do with living in a culture where what people ‘want’ is of little importance when compared to family or societal honour.

it's more about math's teacher's lack of agency, lack of empathy, lack of dignity, being oblivious to human psychology, money over morality and the obedient habit not to ask how the hotdog is made.

in a nutshell it is the purest form of science resulting in the least curious person possible who will simply accept whatever is said loudest. un-curious non-consentual compliance-math.

>>71264
Most people here will not have had a good time at school or with teachers for obvious reasons. For most, school is just another task like having to do chores or eventually go to work - whether or not you like these things is irrelevant and would seem like a childish thing to be concerned about; very few people like their job or actively want to go to work but are forced to through circumstance. Asian School prepares you for work by making you follow rules and carry out tasks even if you do not want to do them; it makes you accept hierarchy and do difficult things you do not want to do, which is what work is all about. The world is much harsher and more unforgiving than western schools prepare kids for. Most kids accept this is and go with the flow - they learn that we all have to do things we don’t want to do because failure to do them will lead to shame and exclusion - wizards tend to not care about shame and exclusion which is fine. They have their place.

IB and AP C physics and maths are optional topics. Students choose them. The issue is that their choice is deeply affected by societal pressure not just from parents but from the whole culture at large. Failure to be good at maths and physics means people will think you are a loser fag worth nothing and should kill themselves (I don’t endorse that but that is how everyone thinks). Yes, the culture is much harsher and more brutal, but people here are astronomically less entitled and far fewer whiny little fags obsessed with how things make them feel in the way people are in the west.

You can choose not to study in East Asia it is just literally nobody will ever fucking respect you and you will be branded a waste of space. People will laugh at your tears. As a wizard if you don’t care that’s fine but your culture is not theirs.

You can see the same attitude with regards to addiction. Drug dealers in the west are seen as cool badasses against authority and drug addicts are treated with sympathy. Here, drug dealers are killed quickly and their deaths are laughed at with joy; drug addicts are seen as pathetic weak links. Natural selection in action.

It is not so much a lack of empathy but rather a conscious and collective understanding in a culture that the feelings with which one empathises with are just not that important. People empathise with a struggling student or a drug dealer about to be executed - they just do not see that emotion as particularly important compared to honour and the strength and integrity of the overall society.

It is a completely different mindset here. You think I lack empathy but people here think I am waaaay too kind.

Think of it more like this, as a general one can empathise with soldiers forced to go to war against their will; one can also think that winning the war is just of infirmity more importance than the soldiers feelings or fear.

>>71265
Westerners extoll Asian collectivism but in the same breath decry them as soulless bugmen

The truth is you can put all of them together but they lack spiritedness because they are not free men for which individual life has value

Ever wonder why the rest of the world is so "harsh" and "unforgiving" and "brutal?"
Because they can't fight for it to be better when there are so few people of conscience who feel actual guilt instead of merely shame
Western fags might go overboard sometimes but at least they're not passing on centuries of trauma

>It is not so much a lack of empathy
Empathy, sympathy, call it what you like but civilized people even other nonwhites would be disgusted by how callous Asians are - you really think the average normalfag let alone Asian drone can verbalize the finer workings of why
And for what? They don't even get to Jew the world for all their hard work

>As a wizard if you don’t care that’s fine but your culture is not theirs.
You talk like you don't know how this site came to be and its ethos

>>71265
i read the entire post.

when you watch pinocchio backwards, it is the story of your life. the story of a little boy who was born real and then through the harsh violence of the hierarchy understood that he does not matter and has to sacrifice himself to the biggest group. the little boy then stopped thinking, stopped having dreams and became an obedient agentless order-follower trained to value the respect of other dead people. the sunshine vanished from his eyes and he became as dead as the machine he was commanded to act like.

human life is wasted on a soldier like you.

>Think of it more like this

hold it, you have nothing to teach but how to become corrupted, bootlicker.

>>71267
>hold it, you have nothing to teach but how to become corrupted, bootlicker.

Partially yes, but this is a very important skill.

>>71270

when i wish you good luck in life, to you that will probably mean that you successfully fulfill your self-sacrificial duty to the shareholders that own the company you work for and maximize their profit. wishing you the best probably means making a high return on investment to your owners.

when i wish you good luck though, i hope that within your short human life you will understand how wrong you are living life, remember your humanity and then have the courage to live accordingly.

>>71271
The society you are proposing would be a weak one which would be crushed by a stronger and more authoritarian one. An army works well because it has a chain of command so it can function as a single organism; so it is with society.
The world you are proposing sounds nice and lovely and hippieish but it would be inevitably crushed and raped to death by a stronger one with citizens who follow orders and obey and crush others. Therefore, to have survival and pass on some of the moral values you want you need coercion in order to preserve strength. Wealth created from competitive market capitalism. An army created from coercive hierarchy and a willingness to kill and die. This is what successful civilisations are built on.

We are typing in English using Roman letters. The Romans and British did not pass on their culture by being nice and egalitarian and caring about others. They did it by crushing others on an efficient system built on hierarchy, strength and eliminating weakness. If you want to pass on some moral values of kindness and freedom you have to sacrifice some kindness and freedom to survive.

>>71272

what about the aspects of human existence that aren't subject to the chain of command. those only distract you from increasing the gdp i guess. every system based on choice will choose against you. i talk a lot of shit about females but i am glad they have chosen against you for the betterment of humanity.

>>71274
As I have explicitly explained the
> aspects of human existence that aren't subject to the chain of command
can only be preserved by a strong society capable of replicating itself and not being crushed by another more brutal one.
You have poor reading comprehension and reasoning skills.

>>71277
>As I have explicitly explained

you are missing the point by repeating normality to me. you don't have access to the parts that aren't part of the chain of command, you wouldn't know what they are and you are just a killer robot who will soon be replaced by an actual robot by the people currently exploiting you while you pretend you are surviving. you are not surviving. the machines will outclass you at everything so there is no reason for someone like you to go into the future. your future is "thank you for your service but at this point the hierarchy is going into another direction by reducing cost".

fucking chink parents who flatten something as noble as mathematics by making it merely instrumental to something as lowly as honor (because at its core honor is nothing else than "what others think of you") got the magic thread derailed

>>71279
>fucking chink

i was flying with the airplane earlier this year and i distinctly remember how overwhelmingly unimpressive i thought the chinese were who i encountered in this plane. grown men with neglected, untrained ooze-bodies, soulless corporate consumer automatons who spend the entire flight watching 20 second tiktok videos accompanied by ai-music.

i thought these motherfuckers lived in the future but it is more like the future from the movie wall-e where the people become fat degenerates. indians i encountered were also a big disappointment this year. well globalist consumer reality is wrecking havoc on the human species…

i am sure there are more impressive specimen and to be fair, traveling businessmen are probably among the least developed people no matter from which country. being an employee is choosing mediocrity over meritocracy.

example of a moral asian who has had it with adobe! good for him, little late but good for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rzVV7wG5eA

Speaking of magic and Asian tiger parents, has anyone here ever read the I Ching?

>>71281
Travelling buisinessmen are able to see different countries and talk to different people unlike desktop employees who stares at computer screen all day.
If I had to work id prefer to be a traveller than an office worker.

since consciousness is fundamental, and the world derivative of it, a construct in it, like a programmed simulation in a computer,
then it makes sense that there's a more fundamental, underlying kind of "causality" that gets actualized in the world within its programmed rules

>>71287
That's cool theory but can you even use level 1 spells yet?

>>71295
No, but he can give himself schizophrenia and make himself believe that he is casting spells and controlling the world and give that the universe is just something we construct in our head through our senses then who is to say he is wrong?