No.68878
>all those links to "guides" and "references"
Encouraging that "paint by numbers" garbage is a great way to withhold wizards' progress. Remake the thread without all of this shit. Now.
No.68881
>>68877Nice skelly, wiz
>>68878>"paint by numbers"what do you mean by this?
No.68913
>>68878structural learning tend to accelerate your progress more than trying to figure out everything by yourself.
Some might manage to figure everything out by just doodling for years, while others end up like guy in pic related.
>>68881He is probably one of those learn it by doing it guys. thinking learning from books is a waste of time.
Sure it can cause burn out and make people give up when they see how much they need to study to get good.
But if you just randomly doodle for years and all your drawings look like they came from deviantart, it can also be pretty demoralizing.
it's easier and faster to just read a book that will show you the ropes.
No.68947
>>68944"Art is dead" says the guy who fingerpainted a wave using a photo as a reference
No.68949
>>68948thats pretty good copy
No.68951
>>68948>no way I could draw something like this on my own.>no way I could draw something like this on my own.yes you can. Just try, and keep on trying until you do.
No.68958
>>68957>he said art is dead, criticisez entire genres and people who draw fanart>I said that he said that art is dead, and critiqued his own gradeschool scribbles>Get this succubus-tier response back with some shitty cartoon that looks like it referenced an image macroI will think of this exchange later when pissing in my bottle and laugh and spill some pee on the ground
No.68961
>>68960Yes, we know, from all of the posts you made about it ion the last thread
>>63672 (That dumbfuck OP didn't bother linking as has been practice for 12 years)
No.68962
>>68961I am apologetic. These are new at least. I'll post no more masks other than the finished drawing.
No.68964
>>68960
this is neat
No.68965
>>68960
This is pretty nice anon
No.68966
>>68964>>68965Thank you. I might be confident enough for the proper drawing soon (it won't have more to it than this). My sketchpad has 22 pages left if it doesn't go well first try.
No.69031
>>69003Very cool drawing. I hope you can live off drawing commisions. The rigth leg looks a little off, but the other parts look good.
I been trying to draw since 2017 and even know i cant understand the exercises.
No.69177
>>69174No one cared who I was even after I drew the mask
No.69180
Not sure if digital art is included in this thread, gomen if not, but is using the transform tool okay or is it better if I learn how to draw different perspectives without it?
No.69212
>>69211
You've been at it for 3 months and you're directly referencing a photo. If that's what you manage after so long and with no creative thought neccesary, and after so many drawing sessions (that you've been shamelessly flooding this slugly thread with) then I'm going to say drawing isn't your forte. For God's sake man, at least rake up on your posture and give yourself my room on the page for your mask than, what is that, like three inches? The grain of your paper is going to be enough to cockblock you from depicting a smooth transition of light to dark.
Copies of photos, toddler scribbles, "how to draw" exercise slop… So much kuso! This thread needs to be reclaimed by those of us who dropped out of high school to draw anime succubi. If you're not drawing from imagination, then you're not drawing!
No.69214
>>69212I'm putting three photos together so it's as accurate as it can be: my face, a mask with reflected light, and my shadow. You're right that I should only post the plan and final drawing at most. I deleted the latest practice before I could see your post.
No.69217
>>69214>I'm putting three photos together so it's as accurate as it can beYou shouldn't be drawing from photos period. What is even the point?
No.69219
>>68913somehow this person got worse.
No.69227
>>69210I think is a good attempt of drawing that character. Dint know the artist until I saw this For a moment I thouhg it was that lusty skunk from that old webcomic.
Why every skunk has to be a slut? This one, the other from that webcomic, le pew, and that ntr fucker from the archie sonic
No.69315
>>69314I drew quite a bit on a Tab S6 and S7 with the S-Pen. It was very responsive with Sketchbook and the 120hz refresh rate, but an accumulation of little things made me go back to a physical sketchbook and my PC pen display. If there was a big S-Pen and a screen cover to give a more paper-like feel, then it would be great. The pro version of Sketchbook is worth the $2.50 or whatever it costs. I tried Krita and CSP on it, but they were just the desktop versions without enough accommodation for the nature of a tablet, so half of the screen is taken up by the interface.
This is the case I used. The hand strap made it a charm to draw without a desk and use in general, and it has a plastic screen protector that kind of mitigated the super smoothness that made the pen unwieldy.
No.69317
>>69315I see, I think I'll stick to Sketchbook for the time being then. Honestly a tablet with the S Pen and DeX sounds like the dream for me, thinking of getting me a used Tab S6 or Tab S7 eventually, maybe the Tab S8 or Tab S9, though I do need to find a good offer for those since they're still not that cheap for me at all, even used.
No.69318
>>69314>>69315Do it right and get an iPad with an Apple Pencil. You won't be disappointed.
No.69319
>>69318iPads and their software are generally pretty crap, and the S-pen uses better technologies…
No.69322
>>69318If I were to upgrade from my Galaxy Tab A8 for a tablet with a stylus, I'd probably go with a Samsung or even a Lenovo before even considering Apple. I know I sound like an Apple hater, but I'm not, I think they're excellent, their stuff is often so premium… but the price is also premium and if I can get something similar for less, often much less, then that's what I'd prefer for now still.
I'm probably going for a used Galaxy Tab A7 or A8 as my next one.
No.69323
>>69320Who's the blue lady in your drawing?
No.69324
>>69322>or even a LenovoI bought a used Lenovo X1 tablet as a general tool for drawing and reading manga but it turned out to be dead on arrival (bad RAM, soldered on). I then bought the laptop equivalent of the tablet that was basically the same but with a fixed keyboard and no pen, and it turned out to have some serious performance and reliability issues (was pretty much a netbook). If true portability isn't a necessity, you can look at getting an older Thinkpad with HDMI/DP out and pairing it with an auxiliary pen display
No.69329
>>69322I'm probably going for a used Galaxy Tab S7* or S8* as mu next one.
>>69324I see, that's a bummer… Lenovo seemed pretty decent for budget tablets, especially the M11 with the stylus and all.
No.69344
>>69314>I'm on Sketchbooksame, samsung tablets also comes with samsung's own drawing app called penup.
there is also Krita, but unfortunately needs 8gb of ram and 12,4 screen or bigger to work ideally.
the large screen requirement is mainly because the UI isn't design for tablets but rather desktops.
I considerate paying for clipstudio, but they want you to pay them a monthly subscription which I refuse.
rather just pay them a flat price and get to keep the app forever.
No.69360
does someone use a graphic tablet, how's it?
No.69361
ive been wanting to learn to draw since i was a teenager but i cant stand to draw anything that isnt a 1:1 reference because it makes me cringe so fucking hard.
No.69362
>>69361Cringing at yourself in any capacity is forbidden. If everyone cringed at themselves, nothing would have ever been made ever, because everyone sucks at first.
No.69365
>>69362well, some people say that the only way to improve art is by referencing, and others (such as the guy in this thread) say that its pointless to use references and that its not actually art, so im a little confused.
No.69452
Id love to but I don't think I have the patience
No.69464
Pencil test for an animation I made last month.
>>69407Yeah, same here. Less was just less this time around.
No.69471
>>69464good job. I did something like this but entirely within GIMP using a mouse. And even then I was just tracing another animation, but up-scaling it by hand. I had a bad "boiling" problem as I was tracing but yours looks pretty good. It's funny his head and collar change shape, but at least you were consistent enough it appears gradually.
No.69486
>>69471Thank you.
I've tried using GIMP, but my computer seems to reject most of it. Eh, I kind of want to try rotoscoping one day, it seems easier than redrawing the movements albeit with a more cartoony feel. I'm all for mouse and tablets, but I'm the kind of guy who gets lazy when I have professional contemporary equipment at my disposal, compared to accomplishing a classic traditional effect when I'm without complacency or a comfort zone.
Fortunately Mr. Partridge's tutorial series on universal principles and techniques can be found online, which was a huge stepping stone on more levels than expected:
https://archive.org/details/happyharry No.69487
>>69485You said the last two were the final two.
>>69486Anyone who takes animation tips from some washed-up Newgrounds Flash cartoon maker is going to end up a worse animator than they would have been had they not looked up an tutorials period.
I'm using a Sage as a symbol of disapproval.
No.69490
>>69487Maybe, but it's not as if I'm basing myself strictly on Mr. Partridge. William's The Animator's Survival Kit is also resourceful
despite the esoteric boomer humor with that one bit on classical music as is Janet Nunn's contribution.
Anyway I just like animation, mate. It's not Squid Games: cartoonist edition or something.
No.69525
>>69491Mew showing a child the moon as a final wish.
No.69527
A vagina ovulating, or at least I think it is (I drew this at midnight a month ago).
>>69524Nice job. The skullface gives it a suitably grim touch to the realism.
No.69563
>>69527thanks. been digitally painting and sketching for quite a while now and I realized that the easiest method to improve is to apply what I've learned directly on the canvas as fast as possible
No.69565
>>69563Huh, sounds effective. I might try that when sketching.
No.69603
>>69601A crappy work produced from your own imagination has value. A rushed copy of some photo does not.
No.69604
>>69603I think both have value. One primarily to try and improve technical skill and the other for more personal expression
No.69605
>>69604Just improve your technical skill through acts of expression…
No.69607
Been trying to draw a skull for a few days – want something that looks like those old Medieval woodcuts
No.69608
>>69607I once took a Print class 6 years ago, where you carved these plastic slabs, coated them in ink, and pressed them down on paper. Said technique would've accomplished the woodcut look spot-on.
All I went with, however, is this (attempted) Cubist take on Chester B…
No.69609
This thread has become 100% Chris-Chan tier
No.69610
>>69609Well hey, better
him than the creator of the "Tails sitting on a bench" comic..
No.69612
>>69611Yep
>>69610No, not really. This site would be better off with hurdcub scatophiles than it is with the developmentally withheld manchildren who speak to themselves in every thread that we have now.
No.69618
>>69612Eh, fair point. Wizchan has been getting raided by 4chan crabs, who can't accept individuals that don't have a circumcised pushover mindset, lately…
No.69620
>>69609>Chris-ChanReminder that he is no longer virgin, its free from jail, the internet has left him alone and now has a cute finnish gf (flutter). So comparing him to people is actually a compliment now lol. Although idk if his art has improved or not.
Also this thread is one of the most active draw threads out there, only exceeded by 4chan and anthro. foo. So no idea why are you so mad. Maybe try posting some of your fine art instead of whining at other people drawings?
No.69623
>>69620>this thread is one of the most active draw threads out thereNot by a long shot.
>So no idea why are you so mad Because this thread became another personal blog for manchildren to repeatedly post their dumb cartoon fan scribbles and the material consequences of their mental illnesses. It's embarrassing, sickening to look at. It would be irreverent to my own shitty cartoon doodles to post them in this stinky poopoo daycare thread alongside this crap. Look at the diversity of styles and points of view from the previous threads. Look at how that all stopped the moment this
>>69003 and this
>>69527 shit begun being posted. And then one of those idiots breaks 10 years of tradition by making the new version of the thread with HIS preferred normalfag Google result tier resources and HIS crappy doodle he made be referencing an image on his computer. It shows an incredible lack of awareness for the valued wualities of the community and lack of consideration for what others want to see in a thread - even when he had 10 years of threads to learn from.
Not every thread (in fact, no thread ever) needs to accommodate mentally ill manchildren. This isn't a safespace for baby-brained Disney fans.
No.69625
>>69623Swings both ways.
No one needs to tolerate you being a enraged jackass just because you don't like someone else's drawings.
It's a hobby thread, not serious buisness. You being a jerk and trying to bully people off the site for no other reason then you being a hater makes you seem like the one that needs to go.
They aren't the problem.
You are the problem.
You don't belong here. I would argue with your attitude you don't belong anywhere.
Fuck all the way off.
No.69628
>>69625Just ignore him. Bullies only respond to strength..
No.69629
>>69628Yes, yes.. Let people who post sour things continue on posting those opinions unabated.
No.69630
>>69623>Not by a long shot.Care to say which one are you refering to? Cause I been in a lot of imageboards and all of them have dead art theards. 28chan, Endchan and Trashchan are dead, heck even popular ones like 8kun and 8chan .moe with boards dedicated to art are very inactive. These place is alive compared to those.
>Because this thread became another personal blog for manchildrenYour manchild ramblings doesn't help either, if you want this place to change for the better, then be the change you want to see.
>It would be irreverent to my own shitty cartoon doodles to post them in this stinky poopoo daycare thread Epic crab mentality. If you are afraid to post your drawings and hate other people art so much, then why continue to stay here? I dont get this weird masochistic behaviour.
Also >Inb4 "you dont post your art either" Well, I was going to post some drawings but i get the "cannot post images with proxy" error. So whatever.
No.69639
>>69623>lack of consideration for what others want to see in a threadoh fuck off, this is a public thread. not some exclusive thread meant to just cater to your liking.
I do not mean you any harm when I say this. I don't get why people come to places like this and then expect consistent high quality content.
Since when did highly skilled artists frequent places like this? You are in the wrong place if you expected some high art museum next to an prestigious art school.
No.69640
>>69061My Asian Geriatric art teacher begged to differ.
No.69642
>>69640You went to art school?
No.69643
>>69642No, I just like drawing asian geriatric art and hired a private tutor for it, dingus.
>>69320Her name is Taarna. She's from the 1981 movie Heavy Metal (slow in parts, but really good, I do reccomend it).
>>69003Thank you. I based myself off of a manequin, which had its ups and downs (hence why I'm too shy to post on twitter). I tried working with commissions more than a decade ago. It could've gone better, but it might improve now. Your works are pretty good so far. A bit of negative space here and there, but the shading works. Keep it up!
>>69227Thanks. I have enjoyed Mr. J's style for quite some time, so I definitely wanted to give her a go.
No.69676
>>69675Just draw more. If you can type on an imageboard you can draw. Draw what you want to draw instead of stressing over what you think you *should* draw in order to get better.
No.69677
>>69675I'm a beginner so take my advice as a pinch of salt. But what I do in order to draw some stuff is to listen to a music playlist and use gloves cause my hands get really cold. Also I recently started to use some books as references (for things like food, faces and clothes).
And as for motivation, maybe try to remember some weird/interesting dreams that you had recently. Today I dreamed about being a lifeguard and doing CPR to a drowning succubus.
No.69685
>>69675Just dont do it.
If drawing worries you so much it's obviously a bad thing, not laziness.
Otherwise even a stick figure would be fun to pull off..
No.69686
>>69676Thanks for the advice, anon! I'm trying to do just that and it helps.
>>69677For a begginner your advice sure is good, loved the idea of drawing dreams, get in touch with our subconscious, that's really cool, anon.
>>69685I really am just lazy, also depression makes it hard to enjoy even things I know I like.
No.69690
>>69686I mean I found a method that is effective so far, but you need patience, and a tolerance to cringe.
Basically just extert yourself as slowly, and gently, as possible.
Now I don't mean
pretend to go slow, as you're still repressing energy, which will just implode. No.
Just do something, but adjust as much the speed as the momentum/force you're exerting. At first it'll be hard because you're accostomed to doing things at a certain rate. However, if you go at your normal speed, if not faster, you'll want to rush.
Meaning you'll want to finish it asap.
Meaning you want to get it over with
Meaning you just don't want it to stay in your mind.
Meaning you don't actually want to do it (hence why your brain implodes even if you "fake it till you make it").
However, if you extert yourself as gently, and by default slowly, as possible, your mind will take it easy as well.
Like I said it's working for me so far…
No.69693
>>69690This isn't bad advice… it's just that I work 7AM to 5PM, I'm home from 6PM to 6AM and the majority of those hours I have to spend sleeping to endure work, I might have 4 "free" hours in the day, which often aren't free at all because there's other things that I have to do which just so happen to not be my job, but are still work in a way, so naturally I rush though it all so I can have time to actually do everything I need to do, both chores and leisure. I think taking time would help, so this is genuinely excellent advice in my eyes, but sadly it's not viable for me right now, at least not on week days, on weekends though? I'll try this out!
No.69694
>>69693> I might have 4 "free" hours in the day, which often aren't free at all because there's other things that I have to do which just so happen to not be my job, but are still work in a wayThat's "the 4HL", and it is by design.
No.69695
>>69693All righty then, good luck.
Though try to keep the tmi to a minimum.
This is /hob/, not /dep/.
No.69697
>>69694I've never heard of it before, sounds interesting, I'll take a deeper look.
>>69695I see, I apologize. I admit I have the habit of writing and exposing a bit too much on forums and imageboards… I'll do better.
No.69699
>>69686>For a begginner your advice sure is goodThanks, I started like ~3 months ago, so i'm glad to see my advice being useful. Here's some other things that might me useful:
»Start a sketchbook and date your drawings (even if they look ugly at the begining, you will soon start to see some improvement)
»Use a chronometer to estimate your total drawing time. (I have around ~74 drawing hours)
»Create the habit of drawing eveeyday by setting an specific "drawing time" (I personally draw from 9 to 10 pm)
»And if your mind is blank when trying to draw, dont be ashamed to use some references as inspiration.
>>69686>I really am just lazy, also depressionSame, I procastinated a lot this summer, i'm try to lock in and increase the drawing hours somehow. Also about the depression, I never been diagnosed
cause I never talked to a psychiatrist lol but the overwhelming feelings of futility had always been there, persistent within me, but after I started to draw, those feelings have significally decreased,furthermore
the act of materializing an idea out of thin air has filled me with hope.
And so I hope you also get better anon.
Also going to post some drawing I did today, I usually prefer to remain silent,
due to being a dumb prefectionist afraid of attention lol but whatever, here goes nothing.
Oh, and also forgive the mobile-posting, I can't post images from the PC No.69718
>>69716This is the drawing thread.
No.69719
>>69718Ah sorry.
Here is a self portrait then. <3
No.69720
>>69714>you're a lot better than I was when I was 3 months into drawing. Really? Thanks for the kind words. But I honestly draw like trash most the time, my sketchbook is filled with 90% trash lol, I need to practice a lot more time daily though…
>I recommend going to a physician if you can afford it Not to sound rude, but i dont think i will, being labeled as a "mentally ill weirdo" would destroy my career and relations with others. Sadly having mental problems is seen worse that being a criminal. Also trying to buy meds without a permit is illegal, so I'm just going to endure it and hope things get better.
>I hope drawing helps both you and I to get out of this mindset we're stuck at,Agreed, also unrelated question but why do you draw? In my case I draw to express my feelings and my
deranged worldview, ¿What are your motivations anon?
>I can post on the imageboards I like about my hobbies, and then go do those hobbies, its enough for me to feel pretty content with lifeYeah, same happens to me, posting on imageboards is the only cope i have left lol, unfortunately most of the art boards/threads are quite dead.
>>69716>I made thumbnails for a full length comicSound interesting, what is the comic about? And ¿Do you have any tips to make a comic? Cause I wanna start one myself, but i have no idea how.
>>69718>This is the drawing thread.Then post (you)r drawings anon.
>>69719Very expressive drawing anon, i really like the silly expressions lel.
Also here a ugly drawing i did some days ago, but inked today.
My hatching technique is awful lol No.69725
>>69720>Not to sound rude.You don't, anon. Don't worry.
>I'm just going to endure it and hope things get better.That's alright, just don't close yourself completely from the option to get help, if it's between that and suicide or something, treatment is still better, also as long as you don't tell people about the appointments and medication you should be fine, unless your medical professionals leak something and then you could win some good money on a lawsuit.
>Agreed, also unrelated question but why do you draw? What are your motivations anon?I'm not sure, it's just something I'm fond of, that I enjoyed as a kid, especially because people told me I was good at it, and overall I enjoy artwork and being able to make whatever comes to my head, turning an idea into actual art, is satisfying.
>Yeah, same happens to me, posting on imageboards is the only cope i have left lol, unfortunately most of the art boards/threads are quite dead.I think /ic/ on 4chan is pretty active.
No.69726
>>69724Pretty good.
Kind of remind's me of Sigurd Hosenfeld's early work.
No.69727
>>69724>I know both of these are atrocious, but I feel somewhat proud of them. Relatable feeling lol, they ain't atrocious though, they do need some more polishing.
The first one looks rough due to the chicken scratching (short and repetitive lines), while the second pic anatomy feels a bit off, although the shading (especially in the hair) is quite good.
Some recomendations that might be useful:
→Try to practice individual parts (hands, torso, legs) and then combine them.
→Use a "stickman" as the starting structure from which build the body.
→Make the pupils a bit larger and pointing towards a side to avoid that "starting into the void" type stare.
→Change your posture and perspective to notice flaws or mistakes from another angles.
>I've mostly been just copying references mindlessly for a while and got burnt on itYeah, trying to same thing over and over is a mistake. I had done it myself before and it feels like insanity. Now I draw with a more "mixed" approach. By using books, dreams, references, random ideas and concepts, etc.. It's easier to draw and harder to get burnout.
>I don't really feel like I am doing things right but I am trying to keep at it every day.We all feel like frauds sometimes, dont feel bad for it, Its a normal feeling to have, the lack of guidance can sometimes feel suffocating. But is that same feeling that allows creative freedom. So shake that feeling and keep creating anon!
>>69725>don't close yourself completely from the option to get helpThanks for the advice, I always thought that isolating myself was the easier and less painful option to take, but after years of solitude I have noticed that nothing has truly changed, So I reached the conclussion that in order to change the world, I need to work on myself first. Therefore, I am trying to leave the past behind and I start to talk more to people, Recently I joined a social program to help other people. So I might not be as active anymore. Also kinda unrelated but this video made me think a lot today about my inner ideas. Specially after minute 10:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXD0SPhncBs>turning an idea into actual art, is satisfying.I agree, it feels good to let trapped ideas finally be free after all these years.
>I think /ic/ on 4chan is pretty active.Its been a while since I have enter that site, and I dont think I will go back. Sadly 4chan isn't what it used to be. Although I post (sometimes lol) on other imageboards like 8chan and Anthro .foo
No.69730
I made this today since I have been watching Mitsudomoe. Not a feat by any means but I wanted to draw something cute to try to relax since all I have been doing is grinding studies and trying to figure things out. Part of me feels like I might be too retarded to grasp things like how shapes are supposed to move in a 3D space.
>>69726Thank you.
>>69727Thank you, I took your advice to heart with some of my other stuff and tried to figure out how to deconstruct pieces from artists I like. I am still struggling a lot and almost gave up today while following some course I felt like I was ramming my head against the wall with.
No.69738
It's easier to draw nature and landscapes than I though, often just using a nice brush and doing simple strokes on a canvas can create the effect of something complex, I have Bob Ross to thank for this realization, it's not that difficult and I'm having fun.
No.69741
>>69730>Not a feat by any means but I wanted to draw something cuteIt is a valid feat though, I notice improvement, the earthy color palette feels warm and cute. And the shoulders and torso have a better anatomy, although the eyes might be too big for the head, Its still an overall improvement though. So keep going anon!
>I might be too retarded to grasp things like how shapes are supposed to move in a 3D space.Same lol, I heard that "construction" (drawing tons of cubes and spheres from different angles) improves that aspect, but i haven't tested that yet, so idk if it works.
>I took your advice to heartI glad that my silly words and tips inspired someone out there lol, Also speaking of tips, have you tried using multiple layers? cause I noticed some blank spaces in the hair, it's a minor mistake but using masks and layers could solve that problem.
>I am still struggling a lot and almost gave up todayYeah, that struggle is real and its very annoying, The same happened to me, At first I felt overwhelmed and thought that drawing was way too complicated for me, but then I started to "let loose" and stopped being so worried about everything, Now drawing has become a very liberating and fulfilling hobby. So I recommend you to let the pencil run wild and the ink flow freely!
>>69738>It's easier to draw nature and landscapes than I though,Really? I've tried and I suck at it, I need more practice structures, do you have any tips or resources that might be useful? Thanks in advance.
>>69740> I stopped drawing three years ago, but I want to start again..3 years really? Those look really great anon. If I were to stop drawing, even for a few days my abilities would immediately implode lol.
No.69746
>>69741>do you have any tips or resources that might be useful?I try to focus as little as possible on details, and just leave that to the brush, so focus on finding the brush and/or stroke that gives you the look you want, don't do things too manually.
No.69754
>>69751Honestly it doesn't really matter where you start. Before you can get into an anime style you need fundamentals which anyone can teach you. Perspective, color, line art, anatomy, getting rid of symbol drawing, etc is so dime a dozen you can really just start anywhere. I'd say not symbol drawing is the most important. By the time you're solid on that, developing a cartoony artstyle isn't very difficult.
https://discover.hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnThis is /ic/'s guide. You're not gonna like it, but their book recommendations are the best you can get.
>but muh loomis draws ugly cartoonsYeah, he does. And so will you.
No.69755
>>69754>Before you can get into an anime style you need fundamentalsThat's not true in the slightest. I probably have thousands of anime succubus pics on my computer that show no commitment to any of these "fundamentals". You're parroting bullshit.
No.69756
>>69755Really now? Why don't you show me and I'll tell you where the fundamentals are.
No.69759
>>69757It's good for someone starting out so recently. Keep going!
No.69760
>>69754>>69755Wiz who posted the question, Im a bit confused, I guess trying to learn some fundamentals and also very basic anime sketching wouldnt be a bad start?
No.69761
>>69760Fundamentals are important but don't go retarded. Anatomy for example will always be relevant but if your goal is anime style art, then you don't need to go as far as pic related. All you need is basic knowledge in order to abstract it down to a more cartoony style. Of course the necessary knowledge will depend on how true to life you want your characters to look but you will figure this out. Also visible in the bottom middle of the image is construction which is an important aspect of drawing, though at some point you will need it less.
Pretty much the best start for me was Loomis' fun with a pencil. It's free to read here:
https://archive.org/details/andrew-loomis-fun-with-a-pencil/mode/2upTeaches construction and form. Will massively help out in understanding how to approach constructing a character. Don't be discouraged by the relatively unappealling 1960's cartoons he draws- you're not supposed to be copying his artstyle.
>very basic anime sketchingYes. It doesn't even need to be very basic. Don't preemptively limit yourself. You can spend as much time as you want on it. It's supposed to be fun. Just make sure to learn or you're going to be polishing turds for the rest of your life which isn't fun. You're always going to feel like your drawings are "off" in some way without really knowing why. I said you need to have fundamentals before you start but that's hyperbolic. Of course you can draw what you like right away.
No.69762
>>69758most talented in the thread imo
No.69763
How many hours do you typically draw in a day, wizards? Do you draw every day?
No.69764
>>69751>I want to start getting into anime drawingWhat type of anime style are you trying to learn anon? I remember a while ago that the 90's artstyle was becoming popular again, I haven't watched anime in a while, so idk what styles are popular now.
>>69754>Perspective, color, line art, anatomy, getting rid of symbol drawing, etc>By the time you're solid on that, developing a cartoony artstyle isn't very difficult. Kek, learning all of that would take years, and it would be totally unnecessary (to start drawing anime). Although I agree that fundamentals (specially in the long run) are very important. But it's better for beginners to first familiarize themselves with the materials, to draw from references and to experiment with different methods and techniques.
>>69758Good try anon, although I think that the anime eyes should be a little bit closer to the middle of the face. Either way, Keep grinding and good luck in your art journey!
>>69763>How many hours do you typically draw in a day, wizards?Around 30mins. I want to draw more but I've been quite busy recently.
>Do you draw every day?I haven't draw in like three days lol, My skills probably imploded by now.
No.69772
>>69755You're not even talking from experience, just from something you think is true. Can't even give the other guy advice either, very helpful.
>I want to learn X>you learn X by practicing X>no that's not true because I say soI struggle to understand what motivated you to post this.
>>69764>learning all of that would take yearsIt really wouldn't. The average art course in uni would have you know the basics of all of that in like the first semester. Also you may be under the misaprehension that you're not drawing while practicing all of that. This isn't a zero sum game where you can only either study art academically before you can draw what you like. You draw what you like while learning. Either way, it took you 5 hours to scribble a doodle. I don't think your perspective on how long things do or should take is relevant.
No.69773
>>69761Yeah anime style would be my goal, Ill try to make it fun and not just a grind because the last few days I have been just practicing and not really drawing.
>>69764Im not that wiz, I want to learn a early-mid 2000s style, I havent watched modern anime in a long time and I dislike the hyper-moe corporate styles a lot, its soulless.
Ill try to draw a head and then post it if its not too embarrassing.
No.69774
>>69773Don't be embarassed, nobody can truly know how to give you advice unless we know what you're capable of right now and what your exact goals are.
>early-mid 2000s styleThat's actually pretty cool. I'm assuming you're going for something like Kanon or Rozen Maiden since that was the most notable artstyle at the time.
No.69776
>>69772>art course in uniStudying art in an university just to draw anime sound like an waste of time and money imo.
>you may be under the misaprehension that you're not drawing while practicing all of thatI'm not, I do think that practicing fundamentals is essential to create a strong foundation, but fixating is also problem, I've seen countless cases of people greeting stuck on construction for years without making any significant progress.
>it took you 5 hours to scribble a doodle. I don't think your perspective on how long things do or should take is relevant.Drawing slowly doesn't invalidate my opinions lol, Do you have any actual criticism or are you gonna continue being a crab?
Also I noticed a mistake in my previous message.
>>69764 .The text:
>Good try anon, although I think that the anime eyes should be a little bit closer to the middle of the face. Either way, Keep grinding and good luck in your art journey!was meant for this anon
>>69757 kek.
No.69778
>>69776>Studying art in an university just to draw anime sound like an waste of time and money imo. Which is why I didn't say he should. All I was pointing out that it doesn't take that long to get the basics of various fundamental skills.
> I've seen countless cases of people greeting stuck on construction for yearsYes this is true.
>Do you have any actual criticismNop
No.69782
>>69774I was aiming at a a Rozen Maiden like style yeah, Ill post my next drawing then!
No.69787
>>69754>This is /ic/'s guidethey have many guides
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/viewhttps://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Qhttps://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view>>69746>>69773>>69782The merit and quality of those guides and resources sometimes comes under fire. Loomis fun with the pencil like
>>69751 mention apparently leads to stagnation, Drawabox waste your time by turning a 2 month course to a 2 year course.
The list goes on. Don't get too hung up on trying to find the perfect guide, rather just find what seems good and stick with it. People will always argue why other's study plan is shit, while how their own is the best.
They might bring up good points but it's not worth spending weeks looking for the ultimate best guide. Maybe spend a few hours browsing the guides and pick one that you think suits you the best.
For anime, learning observational drawing, basic construction and perspective would be a good place to start.
No.69794
>>68877I'm happy to say that for the 1st time in many years… I've been drawing consistently! I wish I could draw every day, but work drains most of my energy. On the weekends though? I'm drawing way more than I've done these past few years, I got my hobby back. I'm glad I bought a cheap tablet and a stylus, the convenience makes it easier for a tired depressed me.
I do miss the feel and sound of the paper being "scratched" though, but a matte screen protector helps with that.
No.69809
>>69794>I'm happy to say that for the 1st time in many years… I've been drawing consistently!YAAAAAAAY!!!
No.69830
>>69219technically he did improve. His anatomy despite horrible look more realistic. There is better shading, coloring and more detail.
However it shouldn't have taken 9 years to reach that level.
No.69895
>>69836Hey! You have improved a lot, the perspective and anatomy are impresive. Good job! Also are those characters from an anime or OC's? They look badass.
>>69794>I've been drawing consistently! That's great, keep the grind and you will soon start to get good results. Before september I used to draw ~1 hour per day, but unfortunately I lost the habit of drawing. Gonna try to recover it this october by doing a inktober challenge.
https://8chan.moe/loomis/res/7590.html>>69787Thanks for the guides but I ain't reading all of that. Sadly I dont have the time nor the willpower to do it.
>resources I do have some resources to share though. If someone interested these websites have been quite useful to me.
→For reference practice:
https://line-of-action.com/ →For buildings and cars:
https://www.mapcrunch.com/ →For 3d poses:
https://quickposes.com/en Also forgive my lack of updates but I been quite busy this september and lost my motivation to draw stuff. Also I just discovered that this place only allows posting images from a real IP, so here a link instead of the last thing I did some weeks ago:
https://files.catbox.moe/rc53fw.jpg No.69896
>>69830it looks more 3d and detailed, but the faces look worse.
No.69955
I try to get into it but it's pretty hard, drawing something from reference is easy sure but that's obviously not what I want. I really want to try this since it's one of the few things that I'm motivated for right now, along with learning japanese.
No.70089
>>70081>You guys should give AzPainter a shotThanks for the recommendation. But I suck at digital drawing lol, I will still try it though.
>>69955 >drawing something from reference is easy sure but that's obviously not what I wantYeah, drawing without the need of using references is also one of my goals.
I actually tried to draw something a few days ago just using my imagination.
It looks wonky as hell and it took me like 6 hours lmao.
https://files.catbox.moe/c65f3r.jpg>>69895I just realized a mistake in my previous post.
>→For 3d poses: https://quickposes.com/en The correct link is: →For 3d poses:
https://posemy.art/app/>inktober challenge.Oh also, I failed that. Only made it till day 10 kek.
No.70093
>>70091that was small paper, I have found big paper
>>70092Thank you, I may draw her feeling soft in the chest, some day when I am done waging
No.70109
>>70096I heard that is a good thing to work on two drawings because your eyes can perceive your mistakes better. It is a solid advice.
However, I have another issue. I can't fucking finish any drawing I do. Even if I spent dozens of hours. It doesn't have a 'finished' feeling. I learned anatomy and other basics decently. But I can't into colors and rendering. Whenever I try I overcomplicate shit and it all falls apart because to do what I attempt to do I need much more knowledge and experience. A satisfying, complete art piece is beyond my abilities.
Colors in particular are my personal art hell. I used to draw like a crack addict. It wasn't much - I just casually drew from 3d models of my favorite game characters as references, but it was a constant thing. And yet after a while I realized that stepping beyond just lines, hatching or simple shading into color is like chewing razors for me and I began taking long-ass breaks. I decided to crawl back to drawing and the same thing happens once more.
Sketch - Lines - SHIT. It feels like an impassable blockage at this point. And yet I can't quit. I tried many times full blown quitting art, it doesn't work, I come back after a month just to be assblasted.
No.70153
anyone who does painting? can you share one of your work please?
No.70197
>>70195Grab a pencil and a paper and draw a dinosaur.
No.70204
>>68877so i want to learn how to draw buildngs and structures
any tips or books that could help me?
No.70219
is someone uploading their stuff to websites like pixiv or dArt or anything the like? If yes, wich do you prefer and why?
No interesst in Apps - website only.
No.70225
>>70219Don't know about pixiv, but devart is filled with unhinged perverts of all sorts that browse the sight only to goon and request fuel for their gooning. I tried using it but soon realized that there is no point.
No.70288
>>70250Something happened after this post. I realized why I don't want to draw. I treat it not as a drawing project but as a escapism tool. I judge the drawing based on how well it can 'pull' me. It is stupid. I can draw wizards. I will draw
No.70289
>>70288shit, I understand.
Pic: Sinclair-themed real pixelart
Thats exactly why I neuroslop fake pixelart or "pixelated art" or "yukkuri" or … stuff based on anime and such.
Just to see some kind of another world. (which is counterproductive in terms of getting through my load of RL)
No.70291
>>70289>which is counterproductiveFor me it is when I can't 'feel' my drawing the way I can with other people's art, I treat it as shit. I will try another approach.
No.70383
You guys, I discovered today that I prefer to draw multiple basic unfinished sketches first and work on them later. I derive more satisfaction that way, it gives me a blueprint to work on later without burning out my energy. Perhaps many wiz here might benefit from this approach?
No.70394
>>70312This is great, anon!
…do you ever jerk to your own stuff by the way?
No.70410
>>70394Thanks. No, but the process of drawing itself feels like that sometimes.
>>70383Yes, same for me. If I keep drawing one thing, it gets boring and I half ass it just to get it done as soon as possible.
No.70442
>>70310I made another Spider-Man piece recently, it's just a fun character to draw.
>>70410I see, I guess it makes sense though, it'd be like a drug dealer using drugs, probably not the best idea for healthy habits, and it would slow down work a lot.
No.70443
how to you draw anime succubus hands and make them look natural? for me when i draw them they almost always look bad to me
No.70446
>>70443What have you tried so far? Did you discover any potential solutions through trial-and-error or by researching?
No.70457
>>70446Well I am getting closer but I only have began to learn it still hard as fuck but I am learning and I will get there soon!
Thankfully I can draw heads and hair easily now!
But the rest of body is hard I don't know when drawing how to make arms look natural and feminine this is main problem I struggle with!
No.70458
>>70457You are doing great job!
I would suggest to not press the pencil so hard against the paper. Your lines are too thick and I can see smudges where you erased the lines. Ideally, it shouldn't happen.
You should hold the pencil lightly and not press too hard. It should glide against the paper, only barely touching it and your movements need to be fluid. I can imagine you making small, hactic movements with your wrist and basically grinding the pencil against the paper.
Before studying anatomy, try drawing circles, elipsed or random shapes but draw with your your whole arm starting with the elbow, not the wrist. Let your pencil glide on the paper and don't press to hard.
But I see you are doing great job, your art is very soulful and I like the design. Please post more in the future.
No.70460
>>70459>models in CSPwhat does that stand for?
No.70461
>>70458also how hard is too draw without the wrist?
No.70463
>>70458The tip about drawing with your whole arm really helped me a lot
Like I always wonder how people drew perfect circles but I couldn't then I finally realize the problem it was that simple….I always drew with wrists not with my whole arms!
But seriously thank you man!
I started to draw because of a incident where someone drew some fucked up stuff of fictional character I really love and care about and I want to sleep knowing I can draw and do better than that piece of shit and thanks to you! I got closer to my goal of making something amazing and I will make this year at all cost!
No.70475
>>70471>I want to drawThen draw.
>¿Suggestions?Draw.
No.70476
>>70475Yeah, but where to begin?
No.70477
>>70476With a pencil and paper. Did you flunk kindergarten?
No.70479
>>70476Just start sketching from real life, with whatever you've got. You can learn a lot just from looking at objects in reality and moving them around, seeing them from different angles and how light hits the object. Once you get comfortable with drawing simple objects you can move on to trying to copy artists that you like or photos you find interesting like the one you posted. Move onto finding books/guides on specific areas you want to focus on, there are plenty of resources out there.
No.70480
>>70479>You can learn a lot just from looking at objects in reality and moving them around, seeing them from different angles and how light hits the object.This is true for any art forms. In order to draw or sculpt or carve things that look real, you must first know what those things look like. Having a grasp of how things work and their presence in the world is the backbone of representing those things. Don't fret over trying to learn how a pencil works because you already know. You put it to the paper and where the tip touches turns dark. If you combine that with what you know about what something looks like, you can draw that thing. Once you establish the principle figure and have trained yourself to draw from memory and imagination, you can move on to "advanced pencil touching paper to make the paper dark" techniques to represent how light interacts with the object you're drawing.
No.70484
>>70482Is it your waifu? You are doing her a great service by drawing that stuff! Keep up the good work!
No.70485
>>70482>>70483>>70484That's Lukyon, isn't it? Why does everyone like Lukyon?
No.70501
>>70485Are you from Tohno?
No.70516
>>70515>bug succubi Not my thing but as someone who draws my waifus just for myself I admire your efforts. Try to pick references and combine them and you will build get better for sure.
No.70521
>>70518That's some oldschool e-begging
No.70522
>>70521Where's oekakiwiz when you need him?!
No.70524
>>70522can you show me one of his okeaki please?
No.70534
Is fun with pencil good for a beginner?
No.70535
>>70534You're not going to get better at drawing by reading books. Just grab a pencil and have fun.
No.70536
>>70535you aren't gonna get better if you just randomly doodle either. some people need more direction than "just draw".
No.70537
>>70536>you aren't gonna get better if you just randomly doodle either.Yes you will. You can get even better by not having those doodles be random. By imaging a drawing you'd like to see and then just having at it, comparing what you've drawn to how it holds up to what you envisioned, and then working out what you need to change in order for it to look more so like what you had imagined… That is the best way to become a better artist.
>some people need more direction than "just draw".If a man already in to his adult years hasn't yet developed a desire to create a specific type of artwork so much so that he picks up the $0.31 worth of stationary on his desk and just begins doodling, then he's not cut out to create art. To be someone who creates requires being of a creative personality and belonging to a culture. This creativity must feed that culture and vice-versa.
Imagine a young man in his teens who really likes middle school anime succubi. He likes them, and so he likes to view art of them all day. He associates with the subculture renowned for idoling these 2D and he appreciates the feelings, opinions, and companionship of other men belonging to this subculture. The value he places on his fellows' approval and feelings gives him a desire to contribute to the pool of things he and his fellows enjoy: middle school anime succubi pics. He has an idea of the kind of art he'd like to see of them. He understands what they look like. He knows the standards of quality for 2D art and he's developed his owns particular taste over the years. He has:
- Himself to please with art he enjoys
- The motivation to please others he considers to be the same as him
- An established sense for what makes a good drawing
- A clear goal to shoot for
- And as a bonus, his subculture provides him with positive and constructive feedback
So he has the culture, the motivation, and the goal. As for the resources? $0.31 worth of paper and pencils. He combines what he's learned from appreciating this art and combines it with how he knows that a pencil makes lines on a paper, and he just starts trying to create middle school anime succubi art. Is it crap at first? Of course. Does he know what non-crap 2d succubi art looks like? Yeah. He has a lot of fun doing it all, but not without the odd frustration or loss of mitivation. He draws more but tries to do things a bit differently and now his art more closely resembles what he envisioned to be a good drawing. He shares his art with his fellows and they show appreciation and offer their own ideas for what our hero can try differently to make it closer to the 2D art they all so revere. This continues as a loop and eventually the art is good and our hero has done his part to further his subcultures existence. He dies a happy virgin surrounded by drawings of his waifu. He has over 200 (two hundred) followers on DeviantArt.
Now imagine a young man who is bored. He has no hobby and he is looking to kill time. He may even be chronically apathetic and consider himself to be depressed based on someone online telling him that he is. He doesn't belong to a subculture and so he has no history of staring attentively at any particular types of art. He hasn't developed a sense of what makes a good art piece look good in his eyes. He has no history of art, no subculture to contribute to, no goal to shoot for, and no positive feedback to receive from people who he identifies with. For him to pick up drawing will not materialize in to anything. To ask "is this book good to learn drawing from" exposes someone as one of these types of guys. It is easier for him to begin drawing that it is for him to type that question and post it, yet he's so on the fence about drawing even being worth learning that he'd rather ask questions then try for himself. The only fun he can have with a pencil is shoving it up his urethra because even if he starts to draw, what does he gain? What does he even draw? Does he draw what the book tells him to draw and then he imagines an XP counter going up above his head? What about when he's completed all the challenges in the book, or even when he's mastered the art form on a technical level? What then will he draw? Nothing, if he's not a creative person who invents his own way to appeal to a culture which he belongs.
>>70534Don't ask. just draw. Show one of your drawings. Is it crap? Who cares? What kind of art do you want to draw and why would you consider that book to be the first step towards making that art? Will you die a happy virgin or will you merely die?
No.70538
>>70537>He has over 200 (two hundred) followers on DeviantArt.Devart is trash. Unless it's fetish porn or ai coom coomtent you will be lucky to have 50 followers. Also degenerates begging for requests for their degenerate fantasies all the time. That place is such a dump
No.70546
>>70537What a massive amount bollocks. You are either a crab or coping why your art is still bad after years, because studying a book is too much.
>If a man already in to his adult years hasn't yet developed a desire to create a specific type of artwork so much so that he picks up the $0.31 worth of stationary on his desk and just begins doodling, then he's not cut out to create art"it's too late cliche", David Finch started as an adult and look where he is now. People with this mindset must be mentally ill, "he didn't start in his teen, so it's over", so what's better then, keep doing jack shit with your life?
>and then working out what you need to change in order for it to look more so like what you had imaginedYou will save a massive amount of time by learning the fundies from books/courses. Instead of spending years figuring it out by yourself or asking around.
>To ask "is this book good to learn drawing from" exposes someone as one of these types of guys. It is easier for him to begin drawing that it is for him to type that question and post it, yet he's so on the fence about drawing even being worth learning that he'd rather ask questions then try for himself.Go ahead you will most likely end up like chris-chan, someone who have been drawing for years but still suck at it. Anyone who have bothered to self-learn something have at one point come across unhelpful learning resources whenever it being STEM-related or art. "is this book good" question is asked for whenever it be worth sinking time into, sure you could just try it out.
Then you find out it was crap and have lost time you never get back. Studying a tried and proven book/course would had been better.
No idea why so many people in the art community, straight up believes in pseudoscience, had teachers who thinks drawing from references will harm your development of your own style. Drawing from references is how you build up your visual library, so when you draw from imagination it actually looks like the real thing.
>>70534A good book, but there's better alternatives in the modern day. The fundamentals haven't change, but would you rather read text from 1940s or modern age? I would recommend The Art and Science of Drawing by brent eviston, it's teaches construction just like loomis' fun with a pencil.
No i'm not some nodraw who shill for books and courses I never learned from myself.
No.70547
>>70537I suppose you have some point here. I often treat drawing as a simple grind and want to get done quickly and do something else for the rest else for the rest of the day, which is a problem because it makes it feel like a boring job rather than a hobby.
I want to improve but also have fun i am not sure how do both for me
>>70546thanks for the book recommendation pal
both of you have points in a way
No.70548
>>70547>I want to improve but also have fun i am not sure how do both for meForget about grinding bones, limbs, muscles, etc like a sovlless chink who can just do mindless grind 18 hours a day for years. That is not for people like us.
Instead focus on what you want to draw. I love drawing fictional succubi and my waifu in particular. I watch through some anatomy course just to get what I should pay attention to while dealing with references. After that I just draw hot succubi from vidya and the like. I've gotten better throughout the years this way.
No.70549
>>70546The content of your post matches the fact that you felt the need to make a copy of a photo instead of creating something of your own. Why pass on the chance to make something new?
No.70550
>>70549Copying something is a perfect way to learn. Learning and creating are two different things. Working with one reference teaches how to work with multiple references needed for a properly created art.
No.70551
>>70550>a properly created art.lmao
No.70552
>>70551>lmaoShow your stuff and prove me wrong.
No.70553
>>70547>I want to improve but also have fun i am not sure how do both for meYou can learn a lot by just copying(observational drawing) art, panels or frames from your favorite media. The reason people endure a period of grinding some fundies, is because they tend to elevate your skills faster.
Please have some delayed gratification, it's a trait not found in turbo impulsive nigger. Have a goal to hit, like wanting your art to look similar to artist x, there is no need for more grind once you achieve that.
>>70548>grinding fundies is le bad>then admits how an anatomy course instantly improved his artMost artists who learn the academic way don't spend their entire day grinding. It's usually 1-2 hour or even as little as 30 minutes. The 18 hour grind is just for people who want to have a slim chance of getting hired by some big name studio.
>>70549Making something new? Oh another lust provoking image of some new popular character? Wow how innovative, never been done before! Bet most of your work is so derivatives of something existing, then you act like you're the next Stan Lee or Akira Toriyama.
Most comic artists aren't that creative either. The creator of invincible, copied saiyans and called them viltrumites. Then say they are his original creation. Claims he never read DBZ, but no one buys it.
If you feel like drawing a cat then just draw a cat. You don't need more reason than that.
No.70554
>>70553>>grinding fundies is le badThere is a difference between grinding a sheet of 200 limbs and watching through a course just to get an understanding what you are looking at while drawing what you like.
>Most artists who learn the academic way don't spend their entire day grindingYes they do. Boxes and shit, hundreds of them. They practice perspective and shading this way. Later - stillife. And only then people.
No.70555
>>70554>grinding a sheet of 200 limbs and watching through a course to understandHow else are you going to learn to draw hands? You do know that practicing what you learned also count as grinding?
>Boxes and shit, hundreds of themNot everyone fell for the drawabox meme. The Art and Science of Drawing book took me less than a month to finish, that was me studying it casually like 1-2 hours a day, I even skip it a few times.
No.70556
>>70552You got me. This is my best work ever. I'm not artistic and I don't actually draw. This cat and witch took my forever to draw, but I had fun drawing it and I drew it because I like witch hat loli and I know my close cultural group likes witch hat loli. That makes it infinitely worthwhile to me and those who I believe deserve to have things which are worthwhile to them. But damn, I didn't draw from a reference or study kid anatomy 8 years of my life so it wasn't "drawn properly" and won't appeal to the masses. If only I had bought legendary cartoonist Goldberghstein's "fundamentals of building Bugs Bunny out of spheres and boxes" book I might actually have made something good. If only instead of creating something from my own uninformed, uneducated imagination I chose to convert an existing drawing or photo in to a crappy pencil sketch. It would be impersonal and worthless to me as someone who gets gratification from creating but at least it wouldn't be crap in the eyes of normalfags and people who only value art for its technical skill. May as well just kill myself and take a preschool with me.
>>70553Comic books are really gay and Stan Lee is a pretty bad artist all things considered. If you're going to make a strawman, make it out of straw that's not rotten.
No.70557
>>70556This is rich coming from someone who said.
>Why pass on the chance to make something new?Then he draws a witch zapping a cat. Wonder where he got this idea from? Whenever Salem got punished in Sabrina the Teenage Witch? SO NEW AND ORIGINAL!
>I don't actually draw>me as someone who gets gratification from creating These statements don't match up. If you liked creating so much, you would be drawing often. Not necessary every day. but frequent. You like the idea of creating, not the process. You just seem to be seething in the rest of your post about how technical skills are for normies and how wizards value imagination more.
Apparently your love for witch hat lolis, isn't strong enough to put effort in improving your technical skills to make your art better. No it won't take you 8 years of spending half of your day grinding references, buying books or learning resources is optional thanks to the internet.
>Stan Lee is a pretty bad artist all things consideredGood that you know about his past actions of taking credit for other artists work. Odd that you didn't give any heat to Akira Toriyama. You do know that he reuses the same plot ideas in dbz over and over again right?
>New villains threatens earth/universe and almost wipe the Z-fighters out>Someone in the group gain super ultra saiyan power or use some ultra powerful technique and defeats them>use the dragon balls to revive the dead.Do you think mangakas are any better than comic artists? If you read Devilman, you will see how much Chainsaw man and Berserk have stolen from it. Peak creativity. You demand innovation from random hobbyists but don't hold big name artists to the same standards?
Something tells me you don't really care about making something new.
No.70558
>>70557>Then he draws a witch zapping a cat. Wonder where he got this idea from? Whenever Salem got punished in Sabrina the Teenage Witch? SO NEW AND ORIGINAL!Oh you're ESL, that's why you're confused about the meaning of the word "creating". If you read any of the discussion and actually work to understand the words being used, you'd hopefully come to realize that this whole argument is about drawing from the imagination and developing skills through hands-on trial and error as opposed to academically studying "how to" books that trick guys with the potential to put their mental visualizations to paper in to redundantly building up drawings with geometric shapes and concerning themselves with photo realistic pencil shading even if they just want to draw anime succubi. It has nothing to do with inventing novel concepts the likes of which have never been seen. Now you're saying that with any two things remotely thematically similar, the latter one is ultimately derivative of the former. A common cope of someone without an imagination.
>Good that you know about his past actions of taking credit for other artists workI don't know anything about that. Whether his works are plagiarized or entirely made up by him doesn't change the fact that everything he's credited as drawing and writing is liquid dog shit that could only ever appeal to toddlers. You bringing him up lets me remind you that in spite of his - and other "old school" American comic book artist - art being horrendous, the main voices of the comics industry are the primary promoters of these "draw by numbers" and "Learn to draw the fundamentals and only the fundamentals" books. To recomend these books and those like them is to encourage people to start drawing from a mental angle that evidently leads to producing bad art the likes of which is found in comic books.
>Odd that you didn't give any heat to Akira Toriyama.Because I didn't readily know who that is. Not kvetching about every subject of your post doesn't mean I endorse what I hadn't bothered to quote.
>You do know that he reuses the same plot ideas in dbz over and over again right?Are we talking about writing now? I don't care if he sticks to a formula in his writing. What I care about is that when he draws his characters, he doesn't open a pose book or load a 3D model and trace it, or waste time building characters with spheres and blocks before giving them human characteristics. I care that he doesn't try to guide people in to these archaic and left-brained methods of creating character illustrations which don't cultivate the parts of the mind responsible for rotating an apple. If you were my roommate I'd put all the utilities in your name then move out.
This whole argument must be baffling to someone who doesn't draw and may be passing by on the index page, but I'd like to ask anyone of any hobby: Do you consider books about your hobby to be the ultimate voice on how to approach that hobby by virtue of them being publish books alone? Even if the books are written by someone *bad* at that hobby? Would you say that someone shouldn't start the hobby until they read and complete that book, even if they already have the essential tools to begin within reach? And if most people *good* at the hobby never even heard of that book? That's what some of these replies are trying to insinuate through their broken English.
No.70560
>>70558Now you are just making things up.
>academically studying "how to" books that trick guys with the potentialWe have all been to deviantart and seen how things pan out for people who buys into the "drawing from the imagination and developing skills through hands-on trial and error". The saying "drawing from reference is cheating" is a straight up lie, parroted by malicious people who wish to sabotage others and people who takes everything their favorite artist say as gospel.
These academic methods are there to help you accelerate your skills.
>To recomend these books and those like them is to encourage people to start drawing from a mental angle that evidently leads to producing bad art the likes of which is found in comic booksSeething aside, you just think there is something unique about drawing from imagination without any knowledge of the fundamentals. Most people don't end up being good at their craft from that.
>cultivate the parts of the mind responsible for rotating an appleYour 2d cardboard witch clearly shows how good your mind is at rotating an apple. This is the end result of all those years of drawing solely from imagination?
>Do you consider books about your hobby to be the ultimate voice on how to approach that hobby by virtue of them being publish books alone?Most people don't treat these books as gospels. The books are not there to force you to use their methods. They teach you methods that can help you to accomplish your goals. If all you want to do is to doodle, then it doesn't matter.
But if you want your art to look like X anime/cartoon. Well time to learn observation, construction and perspective. The animators of these shows had to learn it, so why do you think you're so special that you can recreate the art of these shows without it? I don't get why you think showing someone the ropes is a disservice. There are plenty of people who are just talented and can create amazing art without setting their foot in an art academy or reading any books. Too bad you're most likely not one of them. Norman Rockwell wasn't talented either, he built up his skills by studying at art academy.
Forsaking tried and proven methods doesn't sound like something a wizard would do. This not a normie thing, if it works, it works.
No.70561
>>70560>We have all been to deviantart and seen how things pan out for people who buys into the "drawing from the imagination and developing skills through hands-on trial and error"Yeah, we see them having fun and laughing with their fellow artists for years in spite of their skills. This argument is moot though because the reality is that most of DeviantArt's contributors are drawing with the help of books and references.
>The saying "drawing from reference is cheating" is a straight up lieIt's not drawing period. I didn't read any of your post beyond that. The witch (drawing) is a better contribution to the drawing thread than the cat (conversion of medium)
No.70562
>>70561So much seething and coping, also lying. Remember folks, the guy who takes hours to make a doodle witch, is they one telling you to not learn the fundamentals. Because he is a crab who wants your skill to remain on his level.
>I didn't read any of your post beyond that. lies, how do i know?
>The witch (drawing) is a better contribution to the drawing thread than the cat (conversion of medium)you got triggered by this line, didn't you?
>Your 2d cardboard witch clearly shows how good your mind is at rotating an apple.