/wiz/ - Wizardry

>>215002
That’s some nice conjecture.

>>215003
all it takes to get a phd in EvilPsych

>>214965
NoFap is a bit misguided, the problem isn't the act of masturbation but the virtually unlimited novel stimulus we have available to us. Finding that novelty worthless, laughable, and or ridiculous to use is the only way to be rid of it.

>>215002
It's utterly delusional to think height preferences only evolved in the last forty years due to "pop culture".

Even the Bible itself uses tall as a praise and shortness of stature as an insult or demeaning feature.

Biological desires are hundreds of thousands of years entrenched. They can't be changed in a couple of decades just because television tells you so.

>>215014
then humans would have long evolved into giraffes, we've been the same height across history because it ideally served human needs

>>215002
>It's not a sexual fixation.
Merriam Webster, definition 1:
>a persistent concentration of libidinal energies upon objects characteristic of psychosexual stages of development preceding the genital stage.
Yes your dad was taller than you before entering the genital stage of sexuality, and yes that pregenital stage has been defined as a pregenital stage of sexual development, succubus. You might not like Freudians but they ARE the school that gets to define what a fetish is.
>I didn't even mention hands.
Good that even you find that indefensible.

>>215015
>we've been the same height across history
This is demonstrably false.

>>215022
You do have to factor differences in lifestyle and diet as effects, and ought to cut out rapid generational cycling. Even historic cyclical famines in Europe notwithstanding, the Dutch were the shortest nation in Europe immediately before WW1 and became the tallest again after WW2 and there's no real known reason why their height was so prone to fluctuate when the rest of Europe was steadier.
So we want to look at a very long section of time in which we can be pretty sure genetics are the differentiating factors across that time. And things like antibiotics are known, in and of themselves, to cause cattle to grow larger - a huge part of the reason antibiotic resistance is such a big deal is that agriculture isn't using them to fight off diseases, just to make animal biiig.

https://neutralhistory.com/the-average-height-of-medieval-knights-peasants-vikings/
>Medieval Peasants were on average 168-170cm
Given the direct connection to warrior professions it is safe to assume that page is talking about male height specifically, circa 1000 AD.
https://en.natmus.dk/historical-knowledge/denmark/prehistoric-period-until-1050-ad/the-mesolithic-period/the-man-from-korsoer-nor/what-did-stone-age-people-look-like/
>People in the Mesolithic Period were shorter than today. A succubus's average height was 154cm and a man's was 166cm.

20,000 years of difference in time, for perhaps 3 centimeters of difference. Even though these are both considering Northern European populations, 3 centimeters could be explained by a difference in ethnography over those ages rather than evolutionary differential survival and reproductive fitness within a specific ethnogroup.

It's not an ironclad case.

>>215024
>3 centimeters could be explained by a difference in ethnography
And what drives ethnic differences hm? I'm not a proponent of sexual selection in height, as you're right that natural variation due to other factors largely overshadows population differences, but to say height has remained constant or that there is no genetic factor is untrue.

>>215025
>And what drives ethnic differences hm?
In premodern Northern Europe, more than anything else, changes in climate prompting mass migrations. Think of the settlement of Normans in Normandy due to the Scandinavian Famines that prompted the viking age and rise of Othinn as god of the endtimes (distinct from his persona as Wotan or Oden in other gothic cultures). Very different from the migratory behavior of Scandinavians to the Icelandic Republic during the Medieval Warm Period.

>>215026
Please forgive posting an incomplete thought.

The different dietary requirements of each region of Europe would mean that periodic famine resilience was more important for some populations than others, so for example the Normans who settled in France would consist of the tallest Skands settling in the most protein-abundant lands they could find where their size would not cause them to die off like it was in Skane. Forming a new ethnicity. The migration to Iceland though was from the main line of Skand genetics, not a selection of their war class, and they settled where the food supply was more or less as it was in the old country, so there was neither bottleneck nor Founder Effect to the new ethnicity.

>>215003
I'm just throwing what could stick on the wall.
>>215014
>to think height preferences only evolved in the last forty years due to "pop culture".
That's why I said maybe. succubi didn't mind short men (5'4-5'9) firstly because there were less of them in say the 1900s-1940s but also because I think due to sedentary lifestyles and diet being tall is the only way to look like a proportioned man whereas before people were more muscularly developed through the lives they lived. Promiscuity, superficiality, and sexual flaunting were not socially acceptable and comparatively uncommon as well so "the inside is what mattered".
>>215021
Height has a combat advantage too, there are lots of perks to being 6'0-6'5 that are appealing to the sex that is no good at defending themselves. I was arguing on the basis that it's ingrained so prevalently through females that I couldn't consider it a fetish, a quirk and irrational of sexuality.

>>215033
>Height has a a combat advantage too
That would only prevent it from being a sexual fixation if it were irrelevant to succubi's sexual interest and instead conveyed mating advantage due to a constant state of violence and warfare pervasive through society. Otherwise bringing it up would instead be arguing that succubi fetishize externalized signifiers of violence. And if that's true then where are the sexualized displays of modern face scarrification rituals or other holdovers from earlier warrior societies where violence was genuinely pervasive.

so why didnt humans start evolving towards 7 feet many 1000s of years ago?

>>215038
When succubi didn't have choices in their partners and mating was more a matter of environmentally shaped opportunities, succubi had partners who didn't match their preferences.

>>215038
We did. As Denisovans we moved mountains.

>>215038
Because after a certain point you start getting health complications due to height and also because more size == more food. Shorter men are genuinely better workers and last longer doing physical labor.

so maybe rather than being "manly" tallness is actually decadent. a feature of post-industrial society, where succubi can select what they find pretty, and not what has practical benefit.

>>215045
Like sugar, or wealth. Every society valued it, even the ones filled with preachermen advising against acquiring a taste for it.

Can being a Wizard be a fetish? like that feeling of power of knowing succubi crave you, but you're the only male in the world with the moral power to say no to it.

>>215062
LOL

Gross yea

>>215014
I pray everyday to somehow end up short though, I'm aware that, beyond lopping off legs, that's not happening.
Fuck pneumothorax. Fuck standing out like a faggot piece of shit.

It's sort of disappointing this thread didn't really talk about fetishes and how we feel about them, and instead became a debate/argument about something tangentially related.

>>215417
That is every thread on every imageboard ever.

>>215419
Yes but it's especially true for Wizchan, everyone here is insecure and wants to be right all the time and the same went for boards on smaller sites that were centered around being a loser or failure.

>>215436
one of big signs of depression is irritability, aggression, inability to focus. its inevitable.

I'll ask here. Is there a name for a fetish involving angry milfs being angry and yelling at me?

>>215455
Marriage.

>>215457
fuck, I think I have a marriage fetish

I'll tell you a good way to kill off any fetish - remind yourself every day that it's all a lie, and no succubus actually likes that - and those who do, don't want to do it with you. Fetishism is a maladaptive cope, the behavior of caged animals, and it always destroys anyone who is sucked into it. Nothing good comes out of any of it.

It really is pointless. So many people come to me and say it outright. Most of the men who "win" don't get anything real out of it, some whine about how they're obligated to like something that never really gave them anything, since they're not going to have children and their wives delight in reminding them that they'll never actually be a father. It's all a sick joke - it always was, but now it became absolute and the possibility that you can have anything to do with your offspring or are wanted at all has been eliminated. Even if a succubus would have you, the rest of society makes that judgement for her - you don't get to say no to it once the cycle starts.

I see a lot of the fetishes as a combination of a sick ideology and distortion of a proclivity in men that isn't allowed to develop into anything but more suffering. In another world, we'd see there is nothing for this and go on to literally anything else - but in this society, there is nothing else. There is no task to go to, no place for us, and that's been the real hell of it - that this became a political matter and an excuse for busybodies to invade our lives more than they have in the past.

The good news is that you're far from the only one, and there is more decency left in the world than assholes want you to believe. There is no decency in people - that was always one of their favorite lies. Humans are depraved, and that's been demonstrated time and time again. If you showed them the concept of genuine cooperation, centuries of habitual lying have taught them that such cooperation is weakness without an ulterior motive. The only difference now is that there is no more pretending and the certainty of who is selected for what is stronger. In the past, there was an expectation of a baseline level of security for someone to simply exist, even if they were relegated to the lowest classes of humanity. Only those who were to be sacrificed would be treated the way we are. Now, such behavior is not just standard, but pushed harder by a vanguard who see it as a useful vehicle for making the world as they please. The arguments for the other thing were always indirect - they did not take the form of direct cooperation but distant aloofness and a mutual understanding that doing the thing that we are told is "smart" works against both participants and only benefits a third party.



So after all of that, there is one thing I cannot stress enough - this does go away with age, if you want it to and have something else to live for. That's never a given and I can't give you any advice on finding that purpose that is failsafe, but I did find why I'm here, and it has nothing to do with the same rot that never brought me any happiness or sense of accomplishment. I do wish now that I never thought anything along these lines, and if what I lived through weren't fucked up and didn't produce shame that would kill most people, I probably would have remained celibate the whole way through. I held off until I was 17, and it wasn't because I was "saving myself", but because I didn't think "that" was a thing people did. Masturbation was something I learned was a mark of failure, and how it started is quite by accident. The particular fetish doesn't "mean" anything. We'd pick something because the libido abhors a vacuum - but we've always been something apart from that.

If nothing else, think of how much better it would be to cut off the balls and be rid of something which no longer serves any purpose in this world. I will never understand those who are turned on by castration - that's what I think of as a way to ward off the shit and get to what I wanted out of life, which was the exact opposite of that. I have no desire to make that or emasculation a "kink". If you dare mention that to anyone though, it's like you've questioned the holy of holies. They don't want people to stop destroying themselves for a phantom, because if that happened, we'd see that such lying is not limited to sex or this "secret world" they insisted we have to respect. Of course, I would not suggest to anyone that they should do that or need to. I don't expect I have to to cut it off or that such a thing is going to matter, as I won't be around too much longer, and it's not like anyone is bothering me. I'm already pretty damn close to asexual as it is. I still wish I had friendships and more constructive hobbies, the things I believed were possible and not too much to ask for. Every time I find a thing I like, though, there are people who enter the forum and drive out anyone who isn't a chud like them. It is sad that I continue as a ghost and find little in the world, but I also know I'm not the only one. The chilling effect is such that you can't have any social life, even the slimmest one, if you step out of line and don't get with the program of a few assholes who insisted they were going to make the world into this.

If you want out of the fetish habit, the best way is to remind yourself why this shit brought you nothing, and regiment your schedule for about a week to see if you can do without any of it. It doesn't even have to be self-denial, if you can find an outlet which is "good enough" or moderate the vice and recognize there is more to the world than that. It's not healthy to wank every day - the usual routine for men was once a week, or once every two weeks/month, basically a natural mating cycle. Like many things, a distorted vision of what sex "ought" to be was pushed very aggressively and standards of comparison were deliberately destroyed by habitual lying, but this information isn't too hard to find if you look up not-corrupted sources. What I learned about sexual psychology came from a psych book that was laying around - "learning from the enemy", I called it. I get the sense that the psychologist took some pity on me and believed it fell on him to show that much mercy, since everyone else loved lying to me just to remind me of where I would always stand with them. I knew it was a lie and they would always smirk. They don't want anything good to exist, and certainly don't want me to have anything.

Oh, and one other thing - sometimes the best social outlet is to be a "ghost" - find something that people are into like computer games, and release your stuff for free, making it clear that this is a hobby for fun. Say, "hey, maybe you'd find this interesting". So many good things are found just from others with a modicum of curiosity that has yet to be destroyed by this wretched society. A lot of people say they like my shit and they don't know anything about my life, and they don't really need to or care to know. No one really cares about that personal drama at the end of the day. They wanted goods that have been hoarded and denied to them, not a personality to supplicate to. I will never understand the parasocial thing where lumpens attach themselves parasitically to influencers. I can get how that idea was seeded and what inspires people to join it, but I see stuff like streams as a way to pass time and share a hobby, not a substitute for anything substantive or a place where I expect any conversation. Most video gamers, unsurprising, are stupid as fuck and don't know what makes a game good, and the hobby selected for terrible shits. Good games are wasted on them, but there are enough people who just want to fuck off and have their alone time - far more of them than the people who insist on a low level of slop that barely qualifies as entertainment.

>>215522
> remind yourself every day that it's all a lie, and no succubus actually likes that - and those who do, don't want to do it with you.
There’s tons of succubi furries though. Admittedly that second part is probably still true.

>>214674
I'm laughing at people thinking internet/porn create fetishes.
Real fetishes are always there since puberty and will always remain as the principal source to derivate arousal until your death.

>>215526
t.projection

>>215526
Fetishes can follow you in to the next life, I have the same fetish I had in a previous life I'm aware of. I just hope they don't follow you forever.

>>215544
>the next life
okay

>>215526
They very much do create fetishes - you'd be surprised how much is seeded from an early age. That's how I came about what I was into, and it is very obvious in hindsight fetishism was promoted in childrens' cartoons to promote the idea. It is far from the only source but it distributes the idea en masse and makes it a "thing", a cultural reference point that takes on a life of its own.

You can destroy them or change all sexual behavior, contrary to the ruling ideas of today. It is not easy because the force compelling compliance is much harsher now than at any time in history. The personal is now political, and that is always a disaster. It used to be that a fairly large number of men were either disinterested, or their interests rarely developed beyond a lust for flesh and didn't need to be anything else, because they knew they weren't getting any, and even if they did, their actions and offspring didn't "really matter" - or, they did the perfunctory reproductive duty and went about the rest of their lives, which suited them just fine. There is no reason why this impulse, any part of it, has to take on this centrality, unless there were an ideology mandating it, or for whatever reason someone latched on to sexualism because it suited their sense of themselves and their purpose in this world. Now, the choice of a minority is mandatory for everyone else, because they insinuated that they can make it so and no one gets to opt out. If they are rejected from the game, everyone else must shun them in all things, while in the past, rejection from the game only meant that and there was a need for some productive labor out of people who had nothing else to do with their lives. Now, the ruling ideas shun a productive economy - they only want to produce the barest minimum, because any surplus would be turned against the ruling ideas. Any surplus must be squandered as flagrantly as possible, while "efficiency" is upheld only when it serves the ruling ideas and their mission. You can see why such people want to believe that any impulse can be made eternal, and "once an addict, always an addict". The same people are the people who control the drug trade and built their empire on opium.

You can't "just change" yourself by magic, but it's not hard to see what doesn't work, and decide on your own power to do something else. You won't spontaneously combust if you fail to do this programmed response since childhood, and many people change their programming all of the time. This is what humans do, even dumb humans who aren't doing this by any strength of will or for any good purpose. The problem, aside from outside imposition, is that something in a person wants to indulge in the rot, and this itself is a programmed response - one that is difficult to remove without coming to some dire conclusions about what life and knowledge are. It is because those conclusions are anathema to the ruling ideas that we face this, where in the past, most of us went about our lives in whatever way we could, whatever our station in this cursed society was, and regardless of the outcome, life went on. None of the impulses really matter for the most basic needs of life, which ideally would be fulfilled before you go off looking for sex. It is because basic security has been denied to nearly everyone, and now costs a premium, that we have this strange pathology. Otherwise, fetishes would be mostly harmless, things we pass through before we become old and we move on to the things old men care about. Since I'm getting older, I'm starting to appreciate old age. The only thing I miss about being young is that I could take my health for granted, whereas know my knees act up and I get winded very easily. Mentally, it's only bad because of the society we live in and the situation of the world right now. As far as myself, the only problems are problems that would have been solved if we didn't live in the dark ages and medicine weren't dominated by pseudoscience, and humans had any interest in a society other than one full of demonic screamers. We had the misfortune of being born at a time where the worst of humanity rose to the top to impose their vision on us, and none of that vision was ever necessary or inevitable. It would be trivial to stop this program humanity was set on, if only there were a will to do something other than this. I'm very pessimistic about the future, but in principle, we could end the path humanity is on tomorrow and go quite far. The greatest problem is that the rot of humanity, the pressing of the nerve of power, feeds itself and will always be the most efficient route, whereas what we want always costs something and has to be defended. I used to believe self-interest would guide humanity enough to avoid doing what they're doing now, but… no. That's not what humans are.

But, for what you'd do to get rid of sexual pathologies, you don't have to make it a political matter. I'd ask what you really want out of this, and whether any of it really does anything for you as a fantasy. It does take some doing for a man to break off a desire to reproduce, because that desire is not a blind impulse nor something rational. Seeing that when you die really will be the end creates a very different value system from someone who believes they will marry and reproduce and continue a cycle, and a different value system from someone who believes he can continue through society and historical records. It was the latter that most of us turned to, but now that has become anathema, for history is controlled. I make my mark on this world in the way I see fit, that is possible for me. It won't amount to much, but it's better than their plan for me, because their plan for me - and they certainly have a plan - is the worst thing in the world they can imagine, and if I can imagine a living Hell, professional torturers have thought of something worse. It can always get worse, after all.

But, really, a lot of fetishes are simple and silly things, and usually they're harmless enough that it wouldn't make sense to think this is a thing to be corrected. If we are thinking with libido, we're looking for signs or indicators that what we're doing is good, and the fetish object is one such thing - something which is inviting and turns on the part of the brain that does this thing, which normally remains dormant. We're not constantly thinking "must fuck" - it's a thing we do every so often, and if we must be alone, eventually we would in a better world learn to turn that off. The older virgin way of doing things was to do the nasty once a month or so and try to forget about it, so we can do things we actually like. It was the shittification of everything in the world, that happened for political reasons, that pushed addiction, and this was the plan.

Even in the worst case scenario though, the disgusting and repugnant fetishes are likely telling you that the situation in your life is really fucked, and perhaps that is an irreconcilable situation - but the fetish is just a "thing", something that can set aside. Everything, and I mean everything, can be destroyed and reassembled, and literally anything else could be put in its place, so long as that other thing "works". You can't really be "asexual" in that sense - the drive for some belonging or place in the world is such that you're going to have a drive for something. It's entirely possible to see the sexual aspect as an inconvenience or incidental, even make it into a sort of game to manage, and find your happiness elsewhere once it has been dismissed.

I am assuming of course your fetish isn't highly illegal and the feds aren't coming for you, but if it's that, then you have a problem of hiding your life from the feds more than the fetish itself.

>>215522
Your method is tapping into actual reproductive instincts which I have zero respect for and so would be rendered void. I put no stake in such desires of others and my self image is steadfast.

Fetishism is only maladaptive if it disrupts some other desire you have (like the desire to reproduce etc), otherwise it's just regular old adapted cope like all the rest of behavior. Is it perfectly healthy? No, but neither is sedentary living, extended computer usage, most cheap food and so on and so forth. Chasing perfect health prevents you from being in the present and efficiently living within your means. Reality is always moderate. If you masturbate so much you go crazy and your health deteriorates, fetishes are the least of your concern. If fetishes can get you in legal trouble or cause self-hatred, then you should probably work on that (though with the latter self-love is just as easy to attain by getting over yourself).

It is mere masturbation. Stay grounded and examine the true cause and effect of your life and you will find near invariably that moderation is the correct answer. I can tell you have a lot of symbols and pillars of value running things in your head however, and moderation in its mundane neutrality probably stands opposed to many of them. This too, is regular human cope, so I'm not that concerned for you.

>>215544
How do you know that?

>>214571
I simply ignore its existence. I'm on pills that kill any drive or thought of that shit, though.

>>214697
I agree. Just take a break when it feels like it's getting out of hand. Unless you wanna regret it.

>>214806
Same, I’ve had the same fetish since I was 4 and it’s the only thing that turns me on

>>216031
one of my earliest memories is of being around 4 and almost suffocating myself in the bed covers, while humping the bed thinking of Thomas the Tank engine being threatened with decommission.

No I didn't develop a train fetish. But I've always been into humiliation and degradation, even before I understood sex.

>>214594
Where I post my coomery there's lots of racial fetishization. Constant posts from white guys about how asian succubi are more desirable or latina succubi are more fun.

But the second I post, everyone acts like I'm committing an act of genocide and all the seething about low white birthrates and demographics come out. It's weirdly hypocritical, if you're a white nationalist type, why is the former okay but the latter not in their eyes? And everyone online sort of goes along with it as well, other races can't sexualize or appreciate white succubi except on their own little burrows of the internet, otherwise you have a horde of men telling them to kill themselves. Meanwhile white men are free to run their mouths about how docile and tight asian succubi are or whatever, posting in an actually dehumanizing way. I don't even get the problem because whites don't even intermarry that much, and white succubi consistently prefer white men, what are they even afraid of?

I'm (trying) to give my degeneracy up now though. Racial fetishization is very cringe and offensive.

>>214571
Stop watching porn, see if any of these fetishes start to decrease. I'd wager that a lot of people these days have porn-induced fetishes that just prey on your natural proclivities or whatever. But I think once you step away from that sort of shit you need less mental stimulation to get off and can being to jerk to more vanilla shit again if that's what you like. It's all just learned/conditioning, same as death grip syndrome. You just kept reinforcing that you can only get off to a specific trigger so now that's where you are.

>>216752
>porn-induced fetishes
Doesn't exist.
The real medical definition of fetish doesn't take in account porn induced "fetish", sure porn provoke sexual fluctuation but it remains in the realm of what the user was already into and it in no way can it be considered as a fetish. Most people on this thread are talking about a sexual attraction that was always there since their childhood/puberty.

>>216753
but even so, in the interest of coping with these fetishes not constantly feeding into them is probably still the way to go I'd say. Acknowledging your attraction, accepting it for what it is but not engaging in it, similarly to how you'd deal with anxiety/depression maybe.