/wiz/ - Wizardry

>>220139
I fell for it a bunch of times out of desperation but never stayed on any of the dozen different pills they gave me very long. The only way you can even notice that antidepressants and antipsychotics aren't sugar pills is some combination of getting fat, sleeping 14 hours a day and your dick going numb
The only psych meds that work at all are benzos but those have obvious downsides

When I was forced to sit still for hours and hours for school I was given ADHD meds.
When I stopped going to school I stopped taking the pills. Only took a few days to get back to normal with no long term ill effects.

When I was a little kid, like 10 or so, my doc gave me lovox for the off label use of insomnia, but I fucking hated it deeply so never took it consistently unless physically forced by my well meaning but misguided mom.
Turns out that giving that drug to me during the cusp of puberty might have been a factor in why I developed gynomastia.
So that sucks.

>>220139
I took the SSRI 'Sertraline' for a few months before deciding to it was CIA lobotomy pills that needed to be avoided at all costs. Now I have been drinking lions mane mushroom tea and eating healthy instead.

>>220139
I don't know about 'recover,' I'm a slightly nutty guy that's off his meds. But yes, very much alive, and prefer it to being an unresponsive stump out in public.

Dunno if its a matter of personal differences in brain chemistry, but i don't understand why people are so against SSRI and SNRI
They are very mild, they gave me a false sense of satisfaction and the desire to self-harm was lower, with the side effect of feeling stiff and dream-like and lower libido. I didnt like the effect so i stopped taking it after a few months.
But, its way, way less powerful and damaging than ethanol, which billions of people take daily.
If anything is a lobotomy pill, alcohol is, but in a liquid, non-tabboo form

>>220206
alcohol lasts a couple of hours and it is discouraged. It's a fun temporary thing with positive effects, hence why people willingly take it recreationally.
People who take SSRIs must change their consciousness 24/7 for months or years, and are pressured into it by authority figures. This leads to people like myself looking back at a long period of my life as being stolen from me. You get disorientated and find it hard to even remember your baseline consciousness when taking something all day every day.

>But, its way, way less powerful and damaging than ethanol
I disagree. Data even shows that people who drink moderately are healthier than those who do not, due to sociability correlations and the social lubrication effect.

>>220206
>low-level nausea is my middle name
>my first name is apathy
What is Apathy Low-Level Nausea's last name? This is very importnat

I dont take any drugs but still dont remember any weekdays. The only memories from this year was My Ff7 rebirth playthrough in March and metaphor refantazio last month. I also started rope skipping but its More of a good Habit

I'm forced to take them the psychiatrist would literally send the police to my home if I don't show up, as result of antipsychotic medication I have cervical dystonia and sexual dysfunction

>>220142
>The only way you can even notice that antidepressants and antipsychotics aren't sugar pills is some combination of getting fat, sleeping 14 hours a day and your dick going numb
>The only psych meds that work at all are benzos but those have obvious downsides
True
>>220206
>But, its way, way less powerful and damaging than ethanol, which billions of people take daily.
Except alcohol actually works, while SSRIs are placebos.

https://youtu.be/ax0xaVmIH9A?si=cjb7DTiIYvDhCf-K

This neet is an example of what happens when u dont med

I am also forced by law to take anti psychotics, mood stabilizers, and SSRIs. One of each.

>>220230
Are they pills or injections? If its the former SLOWLY taper over even a year or more while pretending to still take the regular dose. If you go slow enough the withdrawal symptoms shouldn't get you in trouble.

>>220283
Injections, people don't know that even in western countries there are no human rights

>>220139
I have been off and on venlafaxine since 2014. I go on it when I become profoundly depressed to the point I don’t have the energy to get out of bed or eat and my life falls into disarray. I stay on it for about 6 months to 2 years and then gradually wean myself off of it. I’m then able to live at a relatively stable state for anywhere from 1-3 years without a major depressive episode. I may have multiple minor depressive episodes in between but can handle it. Then when I become profoundly depressed again, I have to go back on the medication because I have not yet found any non pharmaceutical methods for getting out of that state.

I am officially diagnosed with MDD and GAD but I am like bipolar II as I have hypomanic episodes without psychosis. I just have not told any physicians about that as I do not want to be subjected to mood stabilizing treatments.

I was forced into it, and believed it was the solution. Was even overmedicated until my kidney had enough in 2023, had a full recovery, and ever since I've been on a minimal amount of meds.
At the moment I'm on Paxil, and diazepam, when I used to be on 4-5 meds at once. Weaning off diazepam at the moment, extremely slowly. I can actually tell the difference between living with and without meds now.

Meds are convenient enough, that's as much as I can say. They will make you a functional member of society and keep a job, even improve your social interaction slightly to the point you can effectively pretend to be normal unless pressed further…to the expense of not really enjoying anything you're doing. I wouldn't have enjoyed the normoid shit to begin with, so this makes it tolerable…but I don't enjoy anything else.

I don't have an opinion about it. Sometimes it's better to be functional just for the sake of surviving and staying enough time in a workplace just to not want to kill yourself over how fucking stupid it is. Almost to the point you "enjoy" corporate kitsch sort of ironically or tongue in cheek, while also repudiating it.

Still doesn't work against tolerating HR though.

I had to take Paxil (paroxetine) in 2018. It was really awful, it gave me SI and I almost went thru with it, even buying implements. Cymbalta (duloxetine) made me a little suiccy too, glad I'm off the stuff.

Well, they worked alright for me. I was going through the initial symptoms of some kind of psychotic desease. We never had a chance to pinpoint what it was, but I was really afraid of schizophrenia. At first I resisted taking anti psychotics, but after reading some medical articles on the subject I decided it was time to give it a try, the symptoms were getting worse and I was pretty spooked.

I took quetiapin in very little doses for one year and two months, maybe. The symptoms subsided and then I decided to slowly cut the treatment. I'm without psychotic symptoms for 5 years now. I'm always on the watch for signs of relapse and left some pills for an emergency, but I'm kinda free of psychiatric drugs.

I hope I'll never have to take them again.

I stopped caring about psychiatry when I realized no one has your best interests. From your parents to your employer to your psychiatrist, they will all watch you merrily run out of money and become homeless, as long as you are not self harming or doing anything hedonistic. In the end I did find a psychiatrist that respected me and treated me like a human, and didn't charge me a lot, but in the end my all wise health insurance dropped him. I'm trying to avoid my dad telling me to get a new one, as then I'd have to talk about the past 15 years of my life again yet to another quack who's 9/10 gonna be money grubbing. Hell I watched one office go through 5 psychiatrists in the span of a year, and only two of them seemed genuine. One pointed out how expensive therapy was and I agreed with her. Another asian bro just suggest I try to apply to a patent office, but you don't do that you apply to a patent law firm.

>>220317
the thing that most irked me was how my therapist kept encouraging me to be social, despite my pay being shit. Pretty much the only option then was going to a church, which she even encouraged me to do.

>>220368
>From your parents to your employer to your psychiatrist, they will all watch you merrily run out of money and become homeless, as long as you are not self harming or doing anything hedonistic.
true, if you act normal they let you do your things but if you're voilent they'll lock you lmao and youre fucked after that

>>220306
Cringe

>>220206
>But, its way, way less powerful and damaging than ethanol
Unless you get serotonin syndrome like I did, then it becomes a poison to your nervous system, causing a state that feels like psychosis, feeling like you're dying for hours while your body convulses to try and survive yet nothing is killing it.
If I could go back, I would've just stuck to alcohol, because the shock it caused to my body has been lingering for more than a month and a half

Fact: if antidepressants made people feel better, there would be a huge black market for them

I'd be very careful before going off psych meds. Looking at a few illnesses. Many people on anti-depressants go on them, decide they feel better, and no longer want to deal with the side effects. Then they stop and they're back to being depressed and can't function. The point is, psychiatrists look at the severity of an illness and weigh them against the cost of treatment.

It's okay to change drugs if the side effects are too much. But just know there might be more factors in treating your illness that you're not considering. Take bipolar, for instance. Here, the illness disrupts brain derived neurotrophic factors (they help neurons survive and help grow new neurons.) Bipolar meds (like lithium and sodium valproate) increase BDNF making them true nootropics (brain enhancing compounds) regardless of whether you have bipolar or not. What happens when you leave bipolar untreated? Well, bipolar is a progressive illness. If you don't take the meds (that again, literally help neurons to survive and grow) – you will be progressing the illness.

What about schizophrenia? Another absolutely severe mental illness said to get worse over time. Results in the progressive loss of gray matter and white matter (brain gets smaller. This is bad.) Second generation anti-psychotics can slow down the gray matter loss and help stabilize symptoms. If you have schizophrenia, you probably DO NOT want to stop taking meds.

I know you're thinking depression and anxiety aren't progressive. That surely, the cost of the meds is worse than the illness. But is it? People diagnosed with depression have 10 - 20 times higher risk of dying to suicide. If you're properly treated for mental health issues you can reduce your risk of adverse outcomes. The story I like regarding this is about lithium. Multiple studies show that populations that had exposure to lithium (like in wells, hot springs, and tap water) had significantly lower rates of suicide. Lithium is a fascinating compound because of it neuroprotective effects. But other common anti-depressants also have neuroprotective properties. Prozac, Zoloft, and Lexapro, are ALL neuroprotective. They're not just random chemicals. They literally protect your brain. Do you see where I'm going with this?

While it's true that we don't fully understand most mental illnesses, we understand a lot about drugs. And if you simply stop taking drugs that PROTECT YOUR BRAIN your illness will cause MORE DAMAGE and lead to worsened symptoms.

>>221296
https://bedrockrecoverycenter.com/street-price-of-drugs/prescription/zoloft/
or type 'blacl market antidepressant' on internet

>>221296
But there is a black market for them.
Huge is a relatively term.

I don't really get his point about a black market. The reason why black markets exist is because there's no legal way for something to be bought and sold. There are such ways for anti-depressants. That are fast, cheap, safe, and easy. It would be hard for a black market for SSRIs to compete with the legal market. So the low supply on the black market makes sense. Plus, it will be being sold alongside drugs and chemicals meant to be abused for powerful, short-term effects. SSRIs are meant to be more stable. If they make the user feel "high" there might be something wrong there. If a person is there to make money they're not going to try sell such goods on the black market when there's no demand for them (there is demand for illegal goods though, that are traditionally restricted cause they're harmful.)

>fall for le weed meme
>become schizophrenic

I take cariprazine and have anhedonia. I previously was psychotic and had to spend a month in a psych ward. My life is over, i cant go off the meds or ill become psychotic again

>>221527
Thanks God I escaped that shit, smoked sometimes until I saw a dude I know get a psychotic break after smoking weed, that shit really wake up to the fact that weed isn't totally healthy or side effects free, only retarded stoners keep pushing weed is good or doesn't have any side effects

>>221528
what was that psychotic break? what did it look like, what happened?

>>221529
Smoked weed, couple of times late he almost jumped from the window claiming that "people would kill him, people are after him, people in the streets are plotting to kill him", he was late committed to a psych ward for a time and got the diagnosis of schizo induced by drug use

>>221535
was his life completely normal before that? did he have any unusual behavviors?

>>221537
He was a Chad, very handsome and had well paying job, very charismatic, a genuine nice dude, shame he smoked weed everyday since ever and smoked very strong strands, he payed the price, a high price, now he's a schizo and there's no cure no turn back your brain to you normal state before.

>>221544
>>221544
Lol, he's not a old virgin, why would he come here?

>>221542
sounds like an emotional, maybe even hysterical person
being a normie, he lacked the self-awareness to recognize drug-induced paranoia, and lacked the self-control to realize that these feelings and emotions were not real, but a temporary, meaningless glitch
he did not question his own emotions, and believed the worries to be true
as is typical for normies not to question anything

>>221560
You do know that you can't "outthink" psychosis, right?

>>221562
idk, i dont think i ever had psychosis, so no, i wouldnt know
but whenever i was starting to feel bad when tripping, i would put on some music, play vidya, just focus on something else
so maybe thats a method?

>>221563
>>221563
You don't get to be "out" of psychosis on sheer will, you literally lose touch with reality, it's not a bad trip where you just wait and relax for the trip to pass

>>221565
have you ever had psychosis? is it like losing consciousness? or like watching your body do things sort of automatically, with you unable to stop it?
i cant imagine being unable to stop a thought

>>221567
You actually feel like you have free will and can stop your own thoughts? I cant relate to that at all even though ive practiced meditation for 10+ years

>>221567
No, but I've see first hand a person having psychosis in front of me, they get agitated and say non sense things or believe in something that is not real or make sense, in that one case he was a danger to himself with his disturbed thought

>>220139
I've been off my paranoid shcizo/ocd meds for two months now. I am a literal mess and am constantly in a state of panic, but I just don't want to take my meds anymore.

>>221686
You might have gone off too quickly. You were supposed to taper, but if you think you can keep your sanity while your brain recovers stay off.

>>221686
Fasting might help your brain to engage proper autophagy and rewiring. Otherwise you might want to try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeHE8m9ggy8

>>221542
useless pessimism