/wiz/ - Wizardry

Good luck!

Only if you want to join monks because theism makes no sense

>>224780
>like a faithful religious hermit which gets more respect points
>They seem to genuinely respect Wizards and have a tradition of hermits
It seems from your post that you wish to convert to Catholicism purely because you think it would lend validity or respectability to your status as a celibate man. The issue is that your fellow Christians (or soon-to-be fellow Christians) will probably be normalfags and you probably won't get the sense of community you're expecting to get. Even if you have reason to believe otherwise, you'd still then have the issue of being forced to accept all the bullshit dogma for the sake of belonging to a community which sounds like a poor trade-off. It would be better to face reality and remain on your own in my opinion.
As for Pascal's wager, I find it completely absurd. Think about how the world was in the 17th century when Pascal was alive. Back then, you would be far less likely to come into contact with people of any faith aside from whatever the majority of your countrymen believed in. If you think of it that way, it would then seem like a binary choice, either to believe or to disbelieve and Pascal's wager would make sense to some extent. If you try to apply Pascal's wager now however, you would then have to practice several different religions at once just to be safe since Pascal's wager boils down to believing in God just in case he is actually real regardless of whether or not there is any substantial evidence supporting that idea.

Religion are dumb and for low IQ people, embrace philosophy

Only join them if you truly believe what they preach. Otherwise you will reach a point where you'll be profoundly unhappy with your life due to setting yourself rules in which you don't believe yourself. Even a very elaborate LARP, where you engage in your local Catholic community, visit Church, read the Bible, and consult your priest regularly, is still a LARP, and you should not fall in the trap of thinking that if you pretend your faith if genuine for long enough it will become at some actually genuine, as this is the blueprint to being unhappy. Faith shouldn't be something you rationalize to that degree that you wager how your life would be with or without it. If you truly believe in the Lord from the Bible, you should be tolerant of living whatever life with whatever circumstances, as long as it's what God wants from you. It could be a life of poverty, torment, and agony, as long as it's what God wants from you, you should be content with it. There is ought to be no contemplation in form of a pro/contra list. Either you truly and genuinely believe in this faith and take everything in account that a life with faith in God brings with, or not, but at the point where you start contemplating you're already on the wrong path.

grew up catholic, went to sunday school, did my confirmation. When i was done i never went back cause that shit is boring as fuck. zoomers who think religion will give them a purpose or identity are retards

Catholics only appear to have a lot of stock because they have been around so long and have had a major influence over the western world. Protestants are like Catholic anarchists who disregard centralized authority and encourage literacy and self teaching. But all these religions are built on the Earth being 10,000 years old and disregarding every form of scientific observation gathered since the big bang.

>>224812
Most educated Catholics do not believe that the earth is 10,000 years old. Pius XII during WWII believed the earth was at least millions of years old.

Most christians take the church as some kind of social club, and you WILL be looked down at if you are a male virgin/perpetually single. The ones that won't, are a minority.
Normalfags will norm everywhere, it's their onthology, faith alone can't change that.

You don't need a religion, no one does.

>>224780
>the Catholics are one of the original churches Jesus said was legit
It's unclear what you mean with this, but historically the catholic church is a creation of Tertullian (III century). He is an extremely underrated historical figure (even by the catholic church). His book "On chastity" is a good read for volcels.
Protestantism is a no-go for volcels. Orthodox churhces have much more related rules for chastity (ie some priests are married).
In any case, the modern catholic church (post 1958, after Pius XII) is just yet another protestant church. Sedevacantists are the only catholics that remain and there are very few of them. Good luck finding them.

If you're white, just join the religion of National Socialism. It's lonely, but true. The same impetus to improve your life you might have gotten from the church can easily be derived from your love of your race.

If you're not white, then by all means join the church, they're more and more non-white as it is anyway.

>>226195
>If you're white, just join the religion of National Socialism.
They lack the idea of gender separatism. Even worser than that, the NS movement is full of cucks.

>>226929
Your mind is small and diseased.

>>226928
Ah, a good ol' fashioned shunning.

>>224780
Honestly? If you haven't by now, go to a few masses and see. Don't worry about the rules just yet.
Seeking God is the important part, and if you find Him there, you won't really have much of a choice but to look into the rest.
Try an Orthodox church too though before you dismiss the whole thing though if you find nothing.
I've never found much life in a Roman Catholic mass myself, just bits and pieces almost in spite of the rest of it, but I wouldn't have known that without going. But He speaks to people differently.

The rules are a complex topic. It's an attempt to use power/authority to force people to do things that are "good" for them by threatening punishment. But that defeats the purpose IMO. They are only good if you do them out of love of Christ and all the little christs around (those neighbors you're supposed to love as much as yourself), not out of fear of punishment.

I'm not sure how a Roman Catholic who is truly seeking Christ can internalize that. I guess if I could I would be one.

>>226011
For the Orthodox, priests are usually married because practically speaking the priests are the closest to the world and need to guide the laity through it. You're going to be a lot better at giving advice about rebellious kids or marriage problems or whatever if you've gone through that yourself.
Monks can also be priests though, and they would be unmarried. And bishops are traditionally picked from monks. So it's really only the parish priests and laity who deal with marriage.

>>224812
Literally no catholic thinks the earth is 10000 years old or whatever. The big bang theory was actually first proposed by a catholic priest

>>226945
The orthodox church is nothing but Putin's political proxy. In my country they asked the adherents to openly oppose NATO.

It has nothing to do with divinity, spirituality or gods.

>>226950
To be precise, Georges Lemaitre was an atheistic theoretical physicist whose day job was working as an ordained parish priest.

He solved the Einstein field equations and the Hubble-Lemaitre law is named after him
(with proof that the universe is isometric and rapidly & endlessly expanding, meaning eventually everything will cool down and die permanently).

>>226952
The Patriarch of Moscow does seem to be pretty fucked up lately.
But that doesn't really speak to the Orthodox church as a whole unless you're suggesting that the Patriarchs of Alexandria, Antioch, and Constantinople are all Russian plants somehow.

>>227817
>I am just saving myself for marriage.
Get. Out.

>>224780
Mother Mary's apparition was spotted over Egypt in 1968. This is a rendition of her face taken from the photos.

>>227819
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Zeitoun

Note there were reports of blind people being able to see after witnessing the apparition. One persons finger was healed from gangrene.

Nah, it's the same shit, I grew up catholic
Everyone hates going to church and everyone wants to have sex since a young age

wtf why has a thread leading with a post with a picture about "relationship stability" not been locked yet? This is clearly a crab thread.

>>224780
I don't like the idea of confession.
I'm not going to confess jerking off every week for example.
It's like a weird humiliation ritual and knowing some priests they are often assholes.
If you believe in God then you probably also believe that he already knows all the bullshit you do.
That is embarrassing enough for me.

Other than that I have considered becoming a priest myself at some point, but my belief is/was not genuine despite my efforts.
I struggle with Christianity because it has such deep roots in real history, we know too much about it.
This history and it's origins also make a lot of claims, truths that can and have been proven false or as you say, underwhelming.

In some sense I feel about it the same way I do about the norse pagan stuff. It's not really mine or for me. It might have been appropriated globally, but I'm no descendant of Odin or whatever.
Why worship the ancestors or tribal leaders of a completely unrelated people?

This is why I feel more of a connection to taoism that don't focus on some history, group or individual, but are more fantastical or philosophical.

So TL;DR:
>don't wanna confess sins I don't plan on abandoning
>too real
>lack of connection
>aesthetics

>>227871
You are an absolute retard if you think this is some gotcha.
How would you feel right now if you didn't eat breakfast anon?

>>227872
Bahahaha what is the gotcha here? But I did eat my breakfast what are you even talking about?

>>227872
>Some obscure breakfast question
I heard a guy got permabanned by the jannies for posting too many gems on corruption

>>224780
I entered the Church back in like 2018 though I haven't gone that consistently because I can't handle being around people. I started going as a neet who had 0 exposure to religion at all before that. All the rules and stuff can seem pretty overwhelming but in catholicism they require you take like a year of sort of introduction/classes before you join, if you are curious go they make sure you only join if it makes sense you won't get pushed into it.

The rules generally make sense once you go back, just as an example I haven't gone in a bit but because of the things like confession and the specific ritualized practices of when you should go and what you ought to do it gives you a normal to return to. Even if I'm not going I have a clear direction of the baseline I ought to be doing.

For Catholicism in particular what interested me about it is the idea we can sort of come up with our own theology by reading something makes no sense, the only way you could have a coherent revelation if it wanted to be understood is through an authority who maintains it, because language is not actually that determinate.

>>224780
it's one of the world's oldest ponzi schemes, so would probably appeal to the gullible shutins of this board

God's first command to humans was "go forth and multiply". By being wizards God already hates us.

>>227886
God is a nigga

I guess if you want to live a life of incredibly low-self esteem, high guilt, and even worse sexual hangups then yea become Catholic.

>>227951
this

imagine making your life revolving over a … well… someone who started a life as a sole survivior of some ridiculous execution.

>>224780
I'm an ex catholic (apostated). Grew up in a catholic family, in a catholic country, etc and it's virtually the root of every single mental problem I have.

Catholicism is the worst religion out there (yeah, worse than Islam IMO). I still don't know how people lived under this retarded and outright evil cult for centuries. It's idealized by crabs and zoomers because le aesthetic™ meme but it's complete retardation (like any other organized religion). Also crabs seem to idealize it because they think they'll find le trad qt gf™ in church. Virtually every self proclaimed catholic succubus I've met in my life, including church going ones were all whores

>They seem to genuinely respect Wizards
They don't. Catholicism is obsessed with making children, to keep the brainwashing going on. Becoming a priest is traditionally expected for big families, when at least one male had kids and as such the bloodline was preserved

>Their priests are a celibate ruling class.
They weren't originally and they aren't either nowadays. Leaving the child abuse aside, priests do usually go with prostitutes and stuff like that, it's well known. They're just larpers and liars looking for government money


>it seems like the difference between them and other Christians is that they're the original church together with the lesser known Orthodox Church.
The Ethiopian and Coptic churches are older than the catholic one

>You shall attend Mass on Sundays and holy days of obligation and rest from servile labor. You shall confess your sins at least once a year. You shall receive the sacrament of the Eucharist at least during the Easter season. You shall observe the days of fasting and abstinence established by the Church. You shall help to provide for the needs of the Church, each according to his or her own ability.
Only hardcore catholics in USA follow those things. Most catholics worldwide don't give a shit and will likely see you as a weird creep for doing so. Living a humanly normal life is impossible if you follow all the rules of the church. A lot of the sacraments have no real biblical basis in fact

>At least it'll make me feel like I'm less LARPing some fantasy wizard and instead I'll seem like a faithful religious hermit which gets more respect points
So you want a certified LARP to convince yourself you're not LARPing?

Orthodoxmaxxing is better. Plus their priests literally look like wizards

>>224780
I did and went consistently for several years but eventually started having an issue being around people again. trying to get into going back and go to confession and everything.

>I don't get all the rules they have though.
Those things you listed are called the precepts of the Church they were instituted in 1215 as a general trend in centralization that was going on, it was not the case for most of Catholic history where for most of it was highly variable depending on where you were.

The main thrust of Catholicism is that God became man, was Crucified so that we can enter into an eternal life with God, and established a Church to provide sure means of reaching it. As something that is 2000 years old it has built up a ton of stuff around that and not all of it is as inherent to it as it seems, there is a very practical component to it. Things like confession, the eucharist, matrimony and priests are aimed at bringing people to God such that they can enter into that.

>>224788
I grew up secular and as someone foreign to religious stuff it's not exactly clear what they "believe" until you practice it, even then reducing religion to a set of ideas/propositions is a fairly modern novelty. The crucial thing is they are claiming God is incarnate on their altar and they have good means of coming into relation with him all the other theology is stuff on top of that.

>>227870
Confession up until around 800 was in groups and public and in front of everyone. I don't enjoy confession and would even get like physical tremors doing it but afterwords you are in a much better place even just at a psychological level.
However it isn't fundamentally about appealing to your preferences. The point of Christianity is we can enter into a special relationship with God through baptism, and that through sin we can reject that gift. Confession is a way of providing a confident means of repairing that, but it probably doesn't make sense if you don't believe in baptism either. The embarrassment also at a practical level is a good way to dissuade yourself from doing stuff you shouldn't anyway because you won't want to confess it later. Obviously something I still struggle with though.But w/ the norse stuff have you looked into jungian stuff at all? His whole conception is we have inherited ethnic archetypes so norse people have those sort of internal conceptual structures or celts have their own and through dealing with that sort of folklore you can use it to enter a better psychological harmony. I like medieval catholicism because they were much friendlier with local folk tradition and cultural variation. You have your own history, the issue with things like tao is they obscure your own history from yourself. You attempt to take on foreign concepts and the actual conceptual structures built into you are neglected so you don't ever have a way of actually reaching harmony.
>>227886
The traditional teaching including in St. Paul is that celibacy is superior than married life and that's been pretty consistent through history

>>224780
i admire people that are devout, regardless of religion, but there's no way at 35 i can suddenly believe in a god or higher power.

Buddhism is the only thing that i can rationally get into

>>224780
Everything good with Christianism and Buddhism and etc until you start to read about original Primitive christianism and original pre-sectariam buddhism and you start to ask questions like "What the fuck they're doing now and why they keep doings these bullshits added up later against original beliefs or practices?"
>Also
But if you just do it for community… ok, nice. But remember that the problems still are there, noy the fake tradition, but asshole or annoying people like every place.

I like Thelema, they have some funny rituals and can give you in same way some edgy-cult serious experiences. You dont even need to join a cult or community group to live to the philosophy or religion, just do it and read.
I got some interesting psychological-body related experiences doing ritual like Resh, lrp, middle pillar, yoga, pranayama, mantrayoga and some buddhist practices.
It started to gave me interest in soft exercises, i feel healthy and energized but still i dont know much about diet. I eat less trash and have more control of my sexual urges maybe related to ritual-exercise work.

>>229661
>Thelema
If you have some interest, this video is kinda good to start with some books and practices (all of the original books or texts now are free on internet or archive or even easy pirated)
>Also
If you want a youtube channel ignore Da'at Darling, that succubi has a asshole behaviour. If you want that much a succubi thelemic channel check Maevius lynn she gave good tips based in self experiences and records, if you want a book guide or curriculum check the book "Living Thelema" by David Shoemaker (but compare with original texts by Aleister Crowley if you want a more old school ritualized things)
You dont need to believe in any dogma thing, i do it for the fun.

>>229662
Never go full retard

>>229661

Too bad they don't still ritualistically sacrifice the occasional bit of livestock. That'd be cooler than church potlucks, or at least make it dinner and a show.

I never understood why people think about joining religions that way, considering the benefits and drawbacks and asking if the community makes it worth it.

It's about fundamental truth. Do you actually believe that Jesus Christ rose from the death, that he walked on water and that earth was created in seven days? If you do, go ahead and be Catholic. If you don't, don't bother. Everything else does not matter.

>>229689
Truth is wortless most of the time, truth is not gonna makes people happier or improve their lifes. Why would anyone genuinely care about truth ?