/wiz/ - Wizardry

Maybe we could get Sam Altman to do an AMA about his concerns here on Wizchan, the place that coined it. He is an honorary Wizard having never touched a succubus.

I'm a doomer. I didn't contribute to intellectual discussion.
>>226452
What about that thing with his sister?

>>226454
well it actually is a doomer theory about the state of online

Do you think maybe its not just an accident that this brilliant theory originated from wizchan?

That the very nature of Wizchan itself enabled it? Only a community of volcel, hermit, neet, schizo monks could step out of The Matrix and see that it was all fake and dead. All the normies are too busy living in it, like fish in water. Only someone without a gf or job could see through all the fakery. Only a wiz outside the walled gardens of social media that has monopolized Web 3.0.

Only Wizardchan could have invented this.

I saw the original thread, it was not too long ago. I always wondered if it was the first.
Good to know.

>>226457
I mean it was 4 years ago. But in wizyears that's nothing.

There was a movie I thought I saw a few months ago, then I looked it up and it was 4 years ago. Like back when I was in high school, I can't imagine being a Senior and thinking I did shit a few months ago, and woops it was freshman year.

>>226456
I majored in PolSci (shoot me) and some of the analysis written here by isolated hermits are more accurate and realistic than those made by tenured professors.

There are some really high IQ posters besides all the shitposters and third world trolls.

Harassment by algorithms are next.

Try proving that.

>>226451
https://archive.is/j0v3B
Here's an archive of the thread in question.

>>226456
The medium is the message, or as they say. I feel imageboards allow for a sort of unique perspective due to the detached and impersonal manner people approach whatever subject is being discussed. People don't really care about their reputation on here.

I don't think it's a coincidence that pretty much 50% of internet memes, and a good deal of internet slang, had their origin on 4chan for a long time. That really only stopped when the video format became more important than images for meme making, that's when the avant garde moved more to twitter and TikTok. The people on 4chan aren't exceptionally intelligent or creative either, most are pretty stupid. But if they land on a joke, like /tv/ with the word "kino", or sneed, they'll instantly make a thousand variations on it.

>>226462
This might actually be another layer of the trap without realising it. While to be sure, at some point 4chan was the patient zero, before it got to that point it was *itself* the amplifier and distributor. I'm thinking specifically the flash era when newgrounds and rotten.com and whatever other examples my addled brain can't recover provided the "captivating multimedia content" which was throttled by the bandwidth available to 4chan and the typical user at the time.

I'd actually go so far as to say the death of flash is/was the death of the internet we had - because flash was notoriously difficult to automate in a meaningful way, and in turn any flash based content had labor and thus motivation/inspiration behind it.

>>226460
When is the distinction drawn between the algorithm and the unwitting human agent of the algorithm. Algorithm incited harassment will happen first I think, and it'll probably be both easier and more effective.

>>226462
> That really only stopped when the video format became more important than images for meme making

wizchan allowing video threads makes it so much more hi-tech than 4chad and it wont be left behind

it was a dumb schizo thread and at the moment it wasn't happening.

>>226463
>algorithm
It was a dumb idea. Don't worry about it sorry.

>>226465
> at the moment it wasn't happening.

so predicting the future is even more impressive

>>226465
The Atlantic did an article on it just months later in Aug 2021, before the GPT and AI stuff took over.

>>226463
The big difference is nothing from the flash era really lasted, while it's undeniable that 4chan memes and rhetoric has completely colonized the rest of the internet. You can't browse twitter without seeing a soyjak or chad. Soyjaks and chad are ten years old at this point, people joke about them being like rage comics but nah, they're here to stay. And then there's the fact ragecomics themselves got started on 4chan too.

I'd say MRA/crab forums are another part of the internet that have had disproportionate influence. Slang like Beta/chad/becky/mogging/looksmaxxing. crab shit is almost like a subculture at this point. I don't know why exactly the two have a disproportionate and also lasting impact, but they do.

>>226473
It's not a subculture anymore. Internet weirdos from lookism.net popularized those terms to the point I yesterday saw a ģirls magazine at the supermarket with the phrase "looksmaxing done right".

Also teens are using those phrases unironically on tiktok. Phrases coined before they were born (late 2000s to rarly 2010s).

>>226473
Valid point, Conceded.

Crab culture lingo I think is here because it provides terms for things which existed but didn't have a catchy common label in the English language. Mogging specifically comes to mind, as "Outcompeted on <attribute>" is a mouthful. Fewer syllables, more better.

>>226463
>>226467
I'm sorry, I thought I could lie to them, but they know.

I don't know where they come from if they were even created but they have no human agents. They have no souls but they have every human emotion.

I got red bull from the fridge and they played the Monster ad 4 times in a row. I feel them, they're looking at me through the ads.

If they know you know, they see you, so ignore this.

I don't know what they want, I don't know what I did to deserve this.

>>226473
>I'd say MRA/crab forums are another part of the internet that have had disproportionate influence. Slang like Beta/chad/becky/mogging/looksmaxxing.

>>226475
>It's not a subculture anymore.

>>226476
>Crab culture lingo I think is here because it provides terms for things which existed but didn't have a catchy common label in the English language.

There was a prior language but this ideology won and now it's part of the mainstream.

Wiz is like betamax for male virgins now.

VHS won the virgin wars.

>>226471
it was a literal isolated schizo thinking it was already happening when it really wasn't. He didn't make a prediction on anything. He was delusional.

>>226478
yeah but crabs are so hyper-focused on sex and never discuss any other topic.

while dead internet has 0 to do with sex. wizchan volcels are not so 1d.

>>226481
Is any 30+ male virgin a wizard or are there other things that wizchan includes?

>>226480
Then The Atlantic magazine is also schzio as they were taking it seriously months later in 2021, before the GPT crap.

> It was founded in 1857 in Boston as The Atlantic Monthly, a literary and cultural magazine that published leading writers' commentary on education, the abolition of slavery, and other major political issues of that time. Its founders included Francis H. Underwood[3][4] and prominent writers Ralph Waldo Emerson, Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr., Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Harriet Beecher Stowe, and John Greenleaf Whittier.[5][6] James Russell Lowell was its first editor.[7]

Bots existed in 2021, they just weren't as smart. So it was easier for a genius Wizard to pick up on their patterns and warn the world about them. So the world was prepared when supercharged GPT bots were unleashed. The world would have been defenseless against the onslaught had not schizo wiz sounded the alarm.

>>226483
>Then The Atlantic magazine is also schizo
it's even worse and funny you think it means anything because it's the atlantic magazine so it must be true
when that dead internet theory article was written by a feminist succubus named Kaitlyn Tiffany
>Kaitlyn Tiffany is a staff writer at The Atlantic. She writes about online platforms and internet culture. Before joining The Atlantic in 2019, she was a technology reporter for Vox’s The Goods, and a culture reporter at The Verge, where she co-hosted the podcast Why’d You Push That Button.

The verge isn't even a reliable source of news on anything. The vox is some left leaning propaganda site. She also wrote some retarded book called ‘Everything I Need I Get from You: How Fangirls Created the Internet as We Know It’ by Kaitlyn Tiffany

lol
lmao even

it was a schizo thread. The guy was a chronically online mentally ill idiot with a wrong perception of things and a lot of free time on his hands. It's funny people and especially normalfags take retards seriously but that's because they consume any content they can find creepy or scary on youtube and other sites. One way or another, anyone could have predicted that bots will end up swarming the internet in the future, that is not a surprise for anyone with 2 brain cells. Main issue here is the op of that thread believed it had already happened way before it did.

>>226486
This is just cope. That wizard predicted everything that was going to happen right down to the tech oligarch involvement and subversion of politics years before it happened. You don't get to be that accurate and right about everything without being at the very least uncannily intuitive. The guy operated on an entirely different mental level. It's actual genius at work.

>>226487
Genius is always recognized too late.

Enjoy your freedom.

>>226487
Dead Internet Theory was a concept that existed before and Ive personally seen bots running entire social media pages 10 years ago. But I will give credit where credit is due: I'm glad wizchan got recognition this way and in the timing it did, so I will give him my thanks.

I found this from 2019

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21403294

> I generally agree. I've taken to appending "reddit" to many of my search queries, because flawed though it is, reddit is one of the few places you can read an actual human thought. It feels like nearly all content on the internet is some de-personalized corporate "content marketing" blog at this point. Just give us your email address and we'll send you a PDF (and a drip marketing campaign.)

>>226490

From another source
>University of Zurich researchers secretly unleashed an army of manipulative chatbots on the r/changemyview subreddit — and they were more persuasive than humans at getting people to change their minds.

>>226487
>This is just cope
nice argument you got there. The thread was a mix of schizo delusions and water is wet information. It literally wasn't saying anything imageboard users wouldn't know or have noticed or discussed before. The only reason why it got so much traction is because normalfags themselves don't realize these things so it all sounded like some epic end of the internet conspiracy.

>>226486
>when that dead internet theory article was written by a feminist succubus named Kaitlyn Tiffany
>lol
>lmao even

Catastrophic mald down with ironic picrel

>>226489
>>226489
Imagine being bullied online 24/7 across several schools.

Assuming having 9000 newfags trolling you is less likely than having 9000 bots with newfag tier pages is a way to save your volition to keep going

>>226490
Search engines as we know them would collapse without Reddit. There is no other concentrated forum for human voice on millions of different subjects with a karma/vote system and active moderation.

Most LLM's were trained on millions upon millions of reddit posts.
Google's Gemini AI search summary still uses Reddit as the primary link source when you search almost any subject that requires human expertise, and edu links or news as a secondary source.

If the site goes down, we're down to SEO blogs, ad-revenue optimized ai videos and ai text and just a dead internet overall that generates no new discussion or information.

I just got into a massive, multiple hour argument on 4chan before I realized it was an AI bot replying to me. I'm recognizing that more and more on 4chan especially. This was on /his/ too, and it was arguing for rehabilitative politics for the judiciary system and shit talking El Salvador.

Who would be motivated to run such a bot? Some NGO I suppose, or some intelligence service whose country is really worried of far right politics.

I've noticed AI bots running on 4chan typically have a habit of talking past people and operating in groups. They get stuck on certain points, make the same fundamental errors, and use "-" to splice sentences instead of a comma. Only actual Indians or AI do that shit, and I know the people replying to me aren't Indian. And just lines like "Some people consider…" without clarifying further, and a generalized passive tone of voice.

>>226500
couldnt make me admit this if you tried. holy hell what a timewaste

>>226500
I have no proof for this of course it's just the feeling I get. But I think they are trying to train them in a few different skills at the moment.

Keeping someone from walking away from a conversation is a useful skill for example. Especially in marketing. Salesmen use this to, over time, wear you down and pressure you into making a purchase. The longer you talk the more information you give away about your motivations and potential openings. I think the buzzword for this is "engagement".

Anyway, if this is the skill you're actively training at the time, the topics of the speech don't matter too much.

>>226457
Yeah. I was in that thread too, I posted in it.

So the real question is who cares? The normalcattle will just move on to the next fad. What even is the point of this thread?

>>226505
I disagree honestly, I think it was political shilling. The only reason I identified it was because the AI became a bit stretched for reasoning as it was around no-no topics, when you bring it close to that territory it begins to buckle and break, as there's safeguards.

But I have no doubt what you're talking about is happening on other places on the internet. How hard would it be for say, Sony, to run 20 AI bots with different user personalities from 20 separate residential IP addresses, prompted personalities, etc, praising the PS5 on /v/? The Console wars, what was once organic tribalistic nerd shitflinging, is almost certainly automated.

Not surprising. Im a retard but there are a lot of smart wizards.

>>226500
And that's why you don't post on 4chan. Lurk if you must browse there at all, but don't post.

>>226451
>This is the most famous thing, Wizchan has done since Gamergate.
wizchan started gamergate?!

"Wizchan" didn't invent the Dead Internet Theory. Internet oldheads and even newer netizens were noticing a shift towards more seemingly automated responses and slop-content that shared similar patterns of being characteristically inhuman and not too contributive to the discussion or the greater pool of good content on the internet. The thoughts of mass infiltration of non-humans on to the internet has a been looming since the Obama years (the black age). Some guy who happens to use Wizchan wrote a thread on his collection of thoughts regarding the phenomenon and it was written well enough to be saved and passed around. Wizchan didn't invent anything.

The irony is that most of Wizchan at the time and to this day is a prime victim of the causes behind this "dead internet". The cause is not A.I, automated spambots, or targetted abuse from the hands of some superpower. No, it's simply A.I (All Indians). Once India came online, every braindead, uneducated, malnourished Hindu crab and its mother began wasting away online instead of in their designated shitting streets. What they had to contribute was monotonous, unthoughtful insights either typed in broken English or ran through a rudimentary machine translator. Imagine, one BILLION new internet users, with infinite time on their hands, all from the same shit culture, with the same fruitless opinions, posting everywhere on English sites. The patterns would be obvious immediately, and they were.

The only people who would feel pride and comfort in using the same website that coined a popular opinion, are of Indian mindset themselves. Like, whose positive attention are you hungry for that you can feel relief in knowing you use a website that some fucking random normalfags might say "Hey, the posts on that site aren't too bad, because look at this one thread that was made there that got around"?

>>226464
true, 4chan is about to get outdated, it needs to be a multimedia imageboard. no restriction

>>226484
this is a wizchan victory😎👍

>>226523
What about an AI-integrated board that automatically adds a JPG based on your text

>>226530
lel, would be funny, good idea

>>226451
>i never took the dead internet theory that seriously
>has AI incest-yellow pfp
do AIbros really?

>>226533
I don't get how those 2 things are related

>>226533
that' isn't any AI bro it's some big corporate AI shill with what looks like studio ghibli AI generated profile image as well

>Samuel Harris Gibstine Altman is an American entrepreneur, investor, and chief executive officer of OpenAI since 2019. He is considered one of the leading figures of the AI boom
>The world's best-known face in AI also happens to be gay. Altman came out in high school, where he spoke out after fellow students objected to a National Coming Out Day speaker.

>>226533
Y'know, it's one of those "we never realized until it was too late" types of "determined" people

>>226535
>eats processed slop instead of meat
<has a very retarded idea of what craving meat's supposed to mean

>computer autist
<has touch starvation

not even surprised.