/wiz/ - Wizardry

I have this same issue. The real answer I've found is to keep physically busy. Go exercise, lift weights, play with tools and woodwork or something like that. Your mileage may vary.

>Perhaps I am foolish to think a book or a single piece of advice will help me
You are. You have to get knowledge and experience from a large number of sources while doing self-introspection to figure out yourself. I don't even know what your problem is due to how vague you explained yourself. This magic cure wish is a stupid. Change is gradual.

I have the same problem as you. I'm stuck in the mud again, floundering and barely getting anything done, and searching for an answer. Currently not in therapy so it starts to have that shimmer of 'external solution' when I know, deep down, the problem and the answer lie within.

Thinking disease? Then start with practicing non-thinking. Meditation…quiet the mind…listen for your inner voice that has infinite wisdom. I hear mine saying "Stop with the porn. Scrolling reddit is depressing you. Just stop for 2 weeks and listen to music instead. It's warm out today, go for a bike ride…." And if i just listened to this voice more, if I truly planned my days around what I truly think instead of just reactive patterns and scattered thinking, I'd probably be in a better headspace… maybe even a better physicalspace.

I think to be a simpler man, a man of action, with less thought, just make your thoughts more high quality and reduce the frequency. So all of the self-help stuff talking about journaling in the morning, writing your daily pages, doing the meditation and stretching or long walks in the woods — you actually do them and glean what they provide. A man of little thought might think for an hour, and then act for 9, with singular focus from that disciplined forethought. I think there's also an aspect of accepting limitations of what you can reasonably accomplish each day… then doing it day after day after day… and seeing the remarkable results. When we give our minds impossible problems, it can just ruminate forever without ever lifting a finger. Maybe a figure to look towards: Richard Proenneke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaBxxl6ZTTE

From personal experience, if you think you might have ADHD or depression causing the mind sprials, psych meds can be helpful to start untangling those patterns. With mindfulness practices you can internalize and observe the effects of the drugs, and memorize the behavior patterns for future reference as you grow older if you are into that kind of mind wizardry. ADHD meds helped me through a difficult patch where my mind spiral was going to cause me to fail in my senior year of college so I chose to medicate with ADHD meds and got through it, got my first job several months after graduating, and started a meditation practice every lunchbreak for 20-30 min when I took my afternoon dose. I could actually observe the effects on my visual acuity and mental focus, trying to permanently etch the state of mind into my neurons. I didn't want to take these meds forever, but i deseperately needed a taste of what it felt like to exist with ability to concentrate and achieve things… It was honestly surprising to me that I was able to put in 8 hour days of focus at my first career job in my mid-20s given how scattered and broken I felt before and as a teen. I didn't think I was capable fundamentally. Honestly, the feeling of being on those medications made my brain actually feel like it wasn't constantly working against me. Your milage may vary, but it was crucial for me. But then again, now currently in my mid 30s, unmedicated, with same old problems. But I do think having the memories helps me get out of the ruts quicker, so I waste weeks instead of months or years now.

If you want to be more active you sometimes just try to train your brain to become what you want it to be, by forcing it, and going through the motions.
Fight for more action less thought, by attempting it.
Even if it takes forever to get it to work how you want it to, and you just keep thinking too much, more than you want.
Just attempt preferred actions, over thought.
And keep trying to be present and mindful of action, and not lost in thought, or bogged down by thought.

Additionally, if you need to heal brain damage to get your brain to cooperate, instead of wandering into thought while you just want to be action, that's an issue I have.

well, whatever you do, don't take psychiatric drugs of any kind. they will, at best, mask the actual problem, and at worst, give you actual brain damage that will lead to more suffering. also true for other substances like alcohol. anything that fucks with your neurochemistry should be avoided, even when it's prescribed by "medical professionals", especially then.

what should you do then? well, you already know what your problem is: too much thinking, not enough action. thinking is a good thing, but you need experience as a foundation, you need more experiential data to actually process, otherwise you're just thinking in circles or inventing data that isn't there and turning schizo. of course, it's hard because you feel resistance and you employ the only tool that you have in your toolbox - thinking, but you can never overcome that resistance so you never do anything. the resistance comes from uncertainty, you don't really know how things are going to turn out and you can't really predict the future, no matter how smart you are, so you avoid it. you need to develop new tools, tools that don't rely on language but are more immediate, sense-based, a feeling for the situation, a grip on reality that can't be put into words, a felt sense. you have to learn how to approach uncertainty and take small steps that let you feel your way through. it's very abstract to talk about but it's something quite concrete and something most people acquire naturally, but since you're a particular type of person that avoids reality and prefers to deal with language and thinking, you never had a chance to develop this.

so, focus on the immediate, present moment, the felt sense of the situation and avoid going back "inside" and reflecting on it, allow yourself to just be in the moment and afterwards, you can process it and put labels on it and make it "make sense" on a language level. take small steps in environments where there is little risk and approach uncertainty not by retreating back "inside" to reflect, but again, focusing on the immediate moment and seeking more experiential data. you have to have a certain trust in experience, when you are confused or lost, you keep at it and trust that your living organism will figure it out. being able to think and put it into words is the very last thing that happens, first you feel on a visceral, implicit level because it's too complex to put into words and working on a "language" level will always be an disadvantage in the real world.

The thread that saved wizchan

>>226984
>I went over the self-help and psychology slop, but it all feels like a sham, a fad constantly trying to sell me more crap

psychology and self help turns to slop when you are just reading it without truly putting things into action. And because the market demand is so high, the quality help is also diluted by shills and false gurus. You aren't the only one who simply becomes a consumer of the genre.

I feel bad whenever I hear people have negative experiences in the mental health field, cus some of the most empathetic, kind, and patient people were my therapists. If nothing else, it can be really good modeling if you had flawed parents who modeled bad coping skills or just passed on their neurosis for you to deal with and never helped to heal or grow.

I saw your thread on /lit/ and someone replied along the lines of 'just do it', and I am inclined to agree. Many prominent writers claim that overthinking is a disease, and that's because it is. Your overthinking is stopping you from acting.
So, the only way to become a man of action, is to, ironically, take action. There is no secret and no book will help you - just do.

>>226984
Do a Wall gazing or Kasina-Tatrak
You gonna achieve force of WILL of pure boringness doing nothing to do things or something.

>>226993
Hey wiz friend. Thank you for your wisdom. I am trying out your advice. My mind still lingers on verbal thought a bit, but I have been able to make it somewhat subside by trying to trust my gut more. Thank you truly.

damn totaly diffrent from my problem i have constant brainfog. im barely concious half the time.

You describe this problem well. Lotsof good advice in this thread too. I could recommend some books and ideas I've found helpful (thinking is my number one issue too), but ultimately you're right that it probably won't help you - the solution is something you've got to experience yourself.

>>226994
Genuinely.

>>226984
This is the very problem that keeps hauting me. I have this … *overthinking* issue, sure.

I have a job and have no colleagues so, I suppose, I have found a way to *live with it*

So, here what I did.
1. I got an old smartphone to carry around as an extra phone. No wifi, no cellular, but it hosts my notes and the alarm clocks with reminders. I have an idea - I write it down, dict it down, but it's unconnected to the world of soy.

2. My "main" cellphone is not on my bedstand, but my "note taker" celly is. It has SOME content to look through to distract myself, but it's all old, already-watched so I look through it a little, put on cozy classic/light music and take notes, what kind of frik I am supposed to do tomorrow.

3. NEVER trust your memory, it both resets during your sleep AND loses stuff you HATE

4. Even "my" fave AI sends me reminders to my main cellphone.

5. Recently, I threw away all my unsorted media shit into "NOT WORK" folder on my work computer. Feels uncluttered - the clutter is still there but it's has a well-defined boundary for future backups…

>>227023
>>227023
I had an obcession with an idea to get a "basic" tape recorder similar to ones they used to carry around in the 1990s and 2000s. Never got one, got a slightly damaged smart celly to perform point 1 and point 2 instead.

6. Ironically, I never mined bitcoin on my gaming laptop. Guess what? I am impulsive enough to lose big money anyway; I would "ruin it all anyway". Set. Decent. GOalls (sic) not some vague "wanna be rich". Cover this need, that need.

7. i shall think what to put in this point… haha no! I won't

8. Get an HDD to make backups. Really. Sounds obvious, but for some folks… well…

9. Get a used one also, to store 1 set of data for ages also. Manual backup once in 2-3 years, yup.

10. No need to be perfect. Good enough is not equal to perfect. Good enough is good enough, yes, but "perfect" is effing time-consuming.

11. Vitamins and other simple fixes for many possible issues. This is the stuff AI handles more or less well - ask what people keep missing, forgetting about

Maybe try Max Stirner - The Ego and Its Own

>>226984
I will think about these issues
>also
maybe try some counseling?