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Franz Bardon has a good guide which I'd like to follow again, I started the meditation (emptying the mind of all thought and influence) practice but I kept falling asleep, it's difficult to empty the mind actually

It's been a decade since I've tried the meditation, the ultimate goal is to actually leave the body and to astral project, but it's actually dangerous as your cord could be severed during this which is probably why I haven't attempted it again, but the little I've tried has improved my life since then, I used to be an alcoholic and would probably have died long ago had I not found his teachings

>>227799
Never gave it a serious thought, so, what does it boils down to essentially? Focusing on your breath?

>>227799
Is it possible to meditate with tinnitus? Even if it's severe?

for me it's Ainslie Meares Stillness Meditation

>>227801
There are several different methods. Focusing on your body sensations, on your breath, on sounds and so on and so forth. The method that works best for me is stillness meditation. Get in the lotus position and focus on your breath. It's easier for beginners than stillness meditation.
>>227802
YES, absolutely. I have that.

Also, I meant white noise in the OP post. I'm on my phone. Sorry for all the grammar mistakes.

>>227799
OP I did a thread about this long time ago but maybe more magic focused, check this out for more techniques, books and etc.
https://wizchan.org/dep/res/303398.html

Don’t get sucked into this crap, I tried meditating myself for awhile and felt no different other than the feeling that I’d wasted my time.

>>227853
>Don’t get sucked into this crap, I tried meditating myself for awhile and felt no different other than the feeling that I’d wasted my time.
When you meditate you literally do nothing, its the Tao literal. but tao have no meaning.
>I tried meditating myself for awhile and felt no different other than the feeling that I’d wasted my time.
maybe you lost your time bacause you're supposed to do other more useful thing for you.
but when you sit and breath and become chill of wathever shit is happening you chill out for sometime.
your brain have some real-time change activity doing this time to time.
But if you dont want to meditate just do some sport or hig-focus relaxation activity like art or something you enjoy and chill you.
Its better than doing nothing or use drugs or wathever fucked up thing to get high when you can just get
>Grounded
and yes its healthy, maybe.

>>227859
>its the Tao literal. but tao have no meaning.
That's the "slip and fall" interpretation of Tao. Remember, Tao that is called Tao is not Tao. As in, a way set by someone else is not your way. To travel your own path, to make your own way, is to find your own Tao, which is the only Tao.

You know nobody going do that

>>227878
Not with that attitude

Just go walk in nature if u want to clear your mind, no need to larp as a buddhist monk

>>227853
>feeling that I’d wasted my time.
This is a big part of it; sitting silently IS wasting time and stirs up the anxiety that causes us to feel restless and NEED TO DO SOMETHING (even if that SOMETHING is causing us pain and suffering)

keep sitting with it

>>227799
Is this a thread of meditation? I the dude of the thread of Magick for relaxation. I wanna share some alternatives to Vippasana or Annapasanti meditation
>Kasina
The use of color gaze or color discs of buddhists
>Tatrak
Candle gazing, i gazed sometimes fires and are damn relaxing
>Sky gazing and cloud gazing
Tibet buddhist do this, very relaxing. Its like a kasina and watching fire at times.
>Wall gazing
The japanese zen do this, i did this for one year and my eyes got a lot of resistance to keep open seing the eyes of others or focus in things.
>Metta phrases or Coue
I tried this with a focus in heart with a hand in my chest and another in arms and its kinda comfy if you achieve a good focus in the activity. I got some funny experiences with this practice, is more fun when you do it when wake up with too much suggestionability in darkness and before sleep. Or you can try at plain sunlight and focus in nature.
>Energy hands or focus in hands
Taoist or magnetic hands
hypnotherapist use this, close your hands in palm forms and focus in it, breath and later try to play like there's a energy between them and ideomotor reflex placebo will act, you can keep focusing or use other methods of meditation very relaxing. You can fake to close them and while you relax and breath you gonna get the fluffy sensation in hands and fingers.

The more you keep doing in focus activity in a routine, the more you gain skill at it. Keep doing (but pls take easy if you force too much your eyes)

I've been meditating on and off for over 10 years. Even attended a couple of meditation retreats. It's so-so. I've had periods where it helped, I've had periods where it seemed to do nothing. I'm still doubtful if meditation has the capacity to be truly transformative in the long term. There's a lot of people out there that have been meditating for a very long time and have nothing to show for it.

meditation seems like inactivity of the mind to me, there's nothing to it

>>230560
A lot of people never keep training concentration, there's too much focus in Vippasana movement. try techniques to gain more concentration like in old pre-sectarian buddhism. you can try first some around ethics and behaviour to gain more focused meditation in life, later add concentration techniques and try experimenting with meditation.
If quiet work amuse you, try soft body movement meditation or first do some soft exercises for your body before doing quiet meditation, this help with breath and body relaxation.
>very long time and have nothing to show for it.
There's nothing to show.
>>230616
>meditation seems like inactivity of the mind to me, there's nothing to it
Yep, you got it, this is one of the cores, still your perspective is more into the Soto zen ideas but still very buddhist.

>>230622
true inactivity of the mind is impossible, even when meditating, you are still 'doing something'

>>230682
>true inactivity of the mind is impossible, even when meditating, you are still 'doing something'

is it impossible? or might you be just failing at it because you are so identified with it that you worry you are losing it without your pet negative thought-loops? you have not figured the human nervous system out. it is based on attention and you can learn to direct this attention away from your mind into other parts of the nervous system. if you don't know how to do it, that means you are being shoved around like a pinball, that means your habits are flying the plane and you just sit in the copilot chair; merely acting like you fly the plane.

>>230689
I don't believe you are your nervous system, human being = material body x immaterial consciousness.
When meditating you are simply training yourself to enter a state of rest or relaxation. You are still doing something.

i should finally try this. it might be my last hope

>>230693
>When meditating you are simply training yourself to enter a state of rest or relaxation. You are still doing something

it just feels relaxing when you enter the pre-conditioned state when all you have ever known this life is being conditioned to have your mind run in circles. i don't think you have found the good stuff meditation can offer someone yet.

>>230698
yeah I agree so many people stuck in thought loops

>>230560
You expect long term meditation enjoyers to fly in the air or shot fireballs?

>>230827
>You expect long term meditation enjoyers to fly in the air or shot fireballs?

dudeman has not felt the unspoken admiration of others while holding the preconditioned state. it is possible to meditate so hard that when you walk into a room your signal to source is so unkorrupted and direct, the room literally stops. people stop what they are doing and just stare and can't believe their eyes and wonder what is going on and how come they can't be happy like that and how come nothing they are working towards in life will ever make them feel this complete.

maybe not more impressive then flying but to me that's more impressive then a fireball. unless you use the fireball to boil water to make herbal tea.

>>230836
What if you use the fire to turn a razor blade into a schottkey diode and use it to build a radio?

>>230854
>What if you use the fire to turn a razor blade into a schottkey diode and use it to build a radio?

albeit complicated and sophisticated that wouldn't be impressive because there is nothing good on the radio. imagine mastering your human vehicle to the point that others mistake you for a god only to then use your powers to play advertisement or popular music.

a advanced pilot of the human vehicle can just look at people and smile and they feel better then any soundwave could make them feel.

using magic to build technology is wrong, technology is the sad consolation price for all the unmagical people. imagine jesus building a wheelchair that can float on the water like a boat for someone so that person can go swimming again …instead of just healing the leg through magic touch.

>>230855
What about building technology to obtain magic? Not on a corporate shareholder level, but as a hobbyist neet building some cool device in his mom’s basement?

>>230856
>What about building technology to obtain magic? Not on a corporate shareholder level, but as a hobbyist neet building some cool device in his mom’s basement?

such loaded questions you are throwing at me. this implies something is missing from you. further it implies that technology can unlock it. on top it implies magic is an object that you can own.

you could gain realization from a message written with ketchup on a napkin. technology can help you gain realization only in the sense to which it helps you gain access to the napkin. what now exists suffices to reach the napkin, it may even distract you with so much ketchup that you forget that you tried to find the napkin.

>>230856
>but as a hobbyist neet building some cool device in his mom’s basement

by all means keep tinkering though, i do it too. i am tinkering on time management systems. if the brain was an iceberg, i am trying to include the parts of the iceberg that don't stick out the water.