/wiz/ - Wizardry

God doesn't exist, we don't know what created the universe, suffering is a living proof that there is no benevolent force, dysgenics proves that we are products of unintelligent evolution.

Nobody can truly prove it exists, so what's the point in believing in God? Moreover, how can you, in the time of science-based knowledge, believe in something that cannot be proven? And even if we assume God exists, does he really care about humans?

The archons are our believe systems, the demiurge is us. Those are right path are antinatalists. Doesn't matter what you, if you don't birth consciousness = redemption.

If God exists, he's not changing stuff based on what you say to him and anyone who thinks he is is fucking insane.

>>227828
Wonder if there's a large number of Angels nevertheless, even if our planet is one of the many.

A vast majority of religious people are LARPing. If they truly believed they were going to heaven when they died they wouldn’t give two shits about money or their health or most things in life. I’d take up free solo rock climbing to get around the no suicide rule.

I pray only to Celestia (and her sister)

>>227827
I don't really believe in God as in some being that consciously does things, much less something human-like. Seems to me that it's sort of arrogant to assume that the thing that made everything else is anything like us. Or perhaps just a result of humans general tendency to anthropomorphize. So for me God is something that exists but we can never grasp. It's more similar to the Dao for me. Like some kind of universal order or way in which all can be in perfect harmony fitting together like gears in some incomprehensible clockwork. This applies to matter as well as living things, I think. Every thing and being has a way of existing that is optimal for the greater whole. Religions to me are just the human attempts at setting up rules in an attempt to get closer to that state of harmony and balance, aka getting closer to God.
That way of thinking about it seems more reasonable to me.

>>227861
i did this once

I am of the opinion that that even if some "creative" (even this word comes charged with far too many human connotations) force exists in the universe that might resemble our notion of a God exists, it is not possible for us to have any meaningful understanding of it. Our situation as conscious entities in this existence is just so extraordinarily bizarre and nonsensical that it seems the height of hubris to suggest that you might possess unique knowledge regarding reality. To use a poor analogy, it would be like expecting a tiny screw or piece of metal within a computer to be able to understand its position and function within the broader whole of the computer. Relative to our perspective you can zoom in with a microscope and observe swarms of bacteria in everything, writhing around and reproducing, given the vastness of the universe from our vantage point it seems completely plausible that in a way we are no different from those bacteria. From the perspective of a large enough spectator there would not be any meaningful difference at all. Our planet may a singular molecule in a churning ocean of a larger plane of existence, which in turn may prove to but another molecule in the grander chain of reality. I understand this statement is somewhat ironic given I am here communicating my position on the world. Here I am positing my own absurd metaphysical propositions that are of course myopic and false. That's why I default back to "We don't know".

>>227880
Im sorry. Couldn't actually feel you…

>>227881
I'm not sure what you mean.

>>227827
i cant think about the god´s idea

>>227827
>What are your thoughts and views on God, if any?
Not very favorable in general due to how the world operates.
I still "pray" to God every now and then, mostly out of desperation, but my prayers are like that you'd have towards a wish fulfilling entity.
I could never quite understand Christian prayer, even as a kid.
It felt like you were talking to a tyrant acting like a good little serf so you can avoid wrath and get some scraps.
"Thy kingdom come and thy will be done." or something, not sure how it actually translates to the English variant.
I talked back to the priest holding bible class often enough to get banned.
(Mostly because I also attended a random Catholic bible study for a while in parallel, nobody checked if I belonged and I was too stupid to know the difference so I just went along with the other priest too lol.)
Never got confirmed either.

Generally speaking I prefer religions where there aren't any claims that are obviously false, tied to real mundane history etc.
So something like taoism I guess.
The more philosophical or fantastical and less human/mundane the better.

To some people Jesus being "some dude" while also somehow God s a point of connection, but to me it's a huge disconnect.
Why should I, person born 30 years ago be subject to tribal nonsense from a far-gone era of some carpenter that was then used as form of control, embraced by politicians at the time for such purposes.
Very weird to me.

Not to sound all fedora atheist here, I know it was in vogue back in the days online. I just dislike how so much of Christianity has been demystified and a lot of stuff has been traced back historically.
It's become too mundane.

I do enjoy spiritual topics, /x/ type stuff, gnosticism. Hell even stuff like astrology despite the stigma. Not too deep into anything myself.
It's sad how all of it is intertwined with Abrahamic religions though.
Unfortunate.

>>227863
I'm pretty sure even the jews think this. That God as manifest is just the greater whole coalescing into a temporary fragment for a purpose.
Maybe I'm just lacking in understanding or have false information. They got a ton of names for God too.

I do not believe that the worlds state is one of balance and harmony. If there are creative/progenitor forces they are chaos and not order.
The order we experience and crave is just a natural result, formed out of need for contrast.
So basically we, seekers of order in chaos are unintended, undesired even and the closer one goes towards order the further away they are from the progenitor.

I feel closer to gnosticism in the way the belief of god is almost an intrinsic fact that the old testament god is the representation of the evils of man, and the new testmanet god christ is the true image of what man should be, seeing that he came down. This is also something coming from someone who has only read some of Genesis and the passage of Exodus and the other prophets as a kid, but God seems not to be a god reacting to man's actions, but synchronization of man's nature, rather than a sole separate reaction to it. But then again, people think that God would act according to our beliefs and moral standards, which most would agree he doesn't, at least the traditional Christian beliefs. God, at least in the Christian terms, seems to be the only rational reaction, at least Christ's presence, at least only something that was interacting with humans would put himself as a peasant, like a carpenter, instead of the accolades other gods have, even if he developed a following and so on during his time here. But on the other hand, the Old Testament God seems so archaic or alien and complicated, a humanless voice commanding the prophets to act in his will as servants or slaves, even if it's out of love, at least the translations seem to present the language as such compared to Christ. I have no choice but to be here and to think that god would follow my individual request, or morals seem insane, maybe that's why it's hard to pray, for the world and He act in synchronized suffering or beauty without my interaction. Being an unheard peasant of spirit and body, or being a peasant picking himself to try even with no promised reward, inscribed in human material value, feels like the only two choices. All we can do is find out and see if we guessed right when it comes to more trivial or debatable values we have. I'm retarded anyway, so who knows

I got temporarily interested in Orthodox Christianity (Since a couple of years I have returning periods of interest in Christianity because it seems to be quite in line with my endless feeling of guilt/anxiety/longing and my moral disgust with the state of the world) but I couldn't handle endless sense of me not being capable of living up to God's expectations and the fact that other people, after all, seem to have to go to hell. I ended up thinking that God either will save everyone which makes serving him appear sort of pointless or that he will indeed curse vast majority of us, which made me feel hopeless about myself and about his "grace". This went along with having to reroute my entire life to basically killing myself in hope of seeing some higher world that can not be proved through anything now except by some sense of gut feeling that requires huge amount of coping to accept. I don't know how so many Orthodox can just go to the Church on Sundays or do some little Christian practice and sleep peacefully thinking of hell. It didn't help either that the tradition that the Orthodox like so much seems to be self contradictory at times (It denies universal salvation but has some saints who considered it, it says that you can't get saved without baptism and yet has histories of saints resurrecting people like Roman Emperors just to give them a quick baptism because they did one good deed after killing lots of Christians), it just feels like a cope.

I have a take I would never post openly.

I have a super hot take to share anonymously.

Christianity is not *just a book* written by people. It's a demagoguery handbook on fallacies, apparently. (Beats the internationally found stories on a big dude who throws lightnings though)

Exhibit one. Mark's, Mattew's and John's parts of Evangelion say the same story which are a bit too similar one to another. There are neither natural discrepancies in testimonies nor serious differences in style made by people of different backgrounds. Instead, we got several stories on how The Kingdom is like X/an Y/an A. This teaches us an *ad nauseam* trick when the same story is written by a several students of the same writing school.

Exhibit two. The part where 5k people were fed with 3 fishes sounds unreal until you learn 3 400kg bluefin tunas can feed a lot of people and the unedible waste can take up several baskets. Talk about abusing people's ability to imagine.

Exhibit three. Basucally, Jesus kept holding a presentation after presentation, making various local priests ultra-mad. Yet those were *presentations*. That's why the Roman authorities were reluctant to intervene at first. However, it's the defining oneself as the king of the land that justified the cricification. It was a lesson for future demagogues to avoid defining oneself and keep being wishy-washy.

Exhibit four. The story about a madman named "The Legion" is a metaphor for a warmonger who sent a legion to capture a region. 2000 "pigs" died but the madman has quit being bad is a metaphor. War metaphor.

Bottom line: reading The Book is the best cure for Christianity. (Attributed to Mark Twain)

Hell awaits us all, because non-existence is heaven.

>>229213
>reading The Book is the best cure for Christianity
I've seen retards who read bits and pieces of it and never figured it out. Mark Twain underestimated how stupid people are.

>>229220
Most christians don't even read it and the ones who do don't even know that only the NT is the one that they have to follow and not the OT, since they're not paying attention. A lot of christian movements nowadays are NOT opposed to divorce, homosexual or premarital relationships, being rich or hurting kids in any given way even if these are the very few explicit rules that christians are supposed to actually follow. I wish mudslimes and jews behaved in the same way with their shit antisocial religions, it would save the entire world a lot of trouble.

>>229224
The only religion throughout history where people have read their own holy scriptures is judaism (torah).

Christians and muslims have been majority mentally retarded and early buddhists/hindus had very little access to the texts.

I literally cannot do any religious activity now after hearing this disgusting voice for so long, I have a history with Christianity though.
>>228298
Last thing I did before I started hearing this voice is coming to the following conclusion:
What is Jesus (God) actually doing?
He is explaining what you have to do if you wish to receive divine love.

>dysgenics proves that we are products of unintelligent evolution.
peak pseudointellectualism

>why do you not believe in god?
>are you some kind of atheist/physicalist?
Ask them this, can human morality exist in a vacuum? Can it exist without the threat of punishment from god? Can it exist without reasoning or logic, assuming all reasoning and logical can be inherently moral?

>>229290
Nobody said anything about morality. This isn't the own you think it is.

>>229290
Human morality is easily tied to not messing up with the wrong people.


People who congregated for around God for centuries are a force to be reckoned with *per se*.

>>229226
Most orthodox Jews actually only read the first 5 books of the bible, they don’t read the whole bible (TaNaKh) and they know nothing about it.

>>229315
They do read it lol, they just pay special attention to the Torah since that's their sacred text.

>>227827
The picture related sums it up perfectly. Somehow all the pain and suffering we endure has to be explained. I also thought that the so called creator could be someone who simply laid down to rules and left it going. Like how some people put water in a glass jar, close it and let life flourish. But to think God is kind or positive, anything better than neutral is foolish. They often come from a place where they haven't seen any major problems and don't think much. Even if you haven't seen the worse side of humanity it is easy to think about how many animals and lives have to suffer for that one individual to have a good life. So it is really a choice between a non caring creator or a non existing one. If we are more positive, it is safe to go with a non existing one. Meaning no God is responsible for anything bad.