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You're partly right but don't underestimate tall poppy syndrome. Most socially competent normalfags aim to be seen as consistent but unremarkable. They like to keep their success quiet until it can't be rugpulled from them, and immediately cut off and pivot to a new group for survival.

You notice it at work a lot. Some guy who seems average comes in with a new colored hardhat, immediately stops socializing with his old group. And for like a year the old group are absolutely seething at his success and are trying to sabotage him.

>>230035
>You're partly right but don't underestimate tall poppy syndrome.
I guess if you overplay your hand too much without anything tangible to back it up you'll draw some ire as well, but I'm more so concerned with the fact that if you show any weakness people pounce on it like a tiger.
It's not so much about making yourself appear to be better than you are, but about not showing any flaws in the first place. Never complain, never voice problems you might have, and so on.

>>230050
I'm phoneposting but there was a book on this by some spanish cortesean. He gave advice on social settings, specifically high stakes environment like the spanish court.

Basically he said socialization is like running a marathon and is exhausting, and is more about pacing yourself rather than 150iq gossipy moves. Not to bother thinking too deeply into people's motives. Never outshine your superior. Cultivate a sense of mystery by only sharing a fraction of your personal life. Cultivate one obvious but harmless flaw that people can joke about. Never moralfag. And never give 100% all the time, reserve your best work for special occasions. And always act busy and like you have a lot going on, always being available makes the value of your time diminish. Try to be the one who leaves earlyish and doesn't linger around.

It was mostly about avoiding displays of anger or neurotic behavior. The big thing he emphasized was it was overthinking motives, holding grudges and exhaustion that lead people to have flashes of anger that fucked them. Flashes of anger destroy irrevocably what took a lifetime to cultivate.

He emphasized that personal advancement was down to luck and people's reputation is fickle. Fortunes change and that you can do everything right and still fuck up. Stressing out about how you missed out on X or Y just leads you to make mistakes of anger.

>>230051
>spanish cortesean
You mean courtier. A courtesan is a high class prostitute. Anyway what you're referring to sounds like a typical example of the mirror for princes genre.

>>230021
sort of.

when i was perceived to be socially valuable to my friends in one way or another, i was invited places, taken into consideration, etc. When I "fell off" and therefore became a social liability, my """friends""" were quick to turn their backs. i ghosted and changed my phone number 10 years ago.

it can be about power, but its more about the other person making a determination as to whether you have any use value to them based on how you present yourself.
>admitting that I've been a bit tired this week because I slept poorly causes people to look down on me or act annoyed. Whereas if I tell someone that I've been feeling great and wake up every morning at 7:00 to do an hour of exercise they're impressed and instantly treat me better.
my point above is reflected in this dichotomy. thats why the ubiquity of social media has turned everything into a cancerous horror. you are REQUIRED to be able to curate a perpetual highlight reel across social media platforms with numerous followers to be acknowledged as having worth as a human being.

I don't care about drawing attention to myself but now the entire world does and therefore i lose.

>>230035
as disappointing as it is, the hatfag is correctly assessing the situation. men are fine with you doing well, but if you start doing much better than them, and making them feel small in comparison, they will get angry and resentful and want to see you fall.

petty as it is, if a guy in my proximity starts shitting all over my life, i simply put distance between us and avoid him because why should i stand in another mans shadow and pretend its not pissing me off?

>>230021
Imagine a silverback gorilla facing a rival. He does not begin with a manifesto. He beats his chest, roars, displays his size, and tries to make the other gorilla understand: “This is a costly place to continue.” Often, the conflict ends in the display. But when it does become physical, it can be terribly violent because the stakes may involve mates, infants, rank, or the survival of a group. Wild gorillas have even been observed carrying out rare, severe attacks on outsiders. National Institutes of Health

The mistake is to measure violence only by how frightening the final moment looks. A gorilla may have one explosive fight and then return to feeding, resting, and living socially. Humans, by contrast, have learned to move aggression into symbols and institutions: insults, status games, armies, laws, money, propaganda, workplaces, and sometimes war. The fist has become a thousand invisible gestures.

So men are not necessarily less aggressive because they fight less face-to-face. Their aggression has become more indirect, more prolonged, and more capable of being organized across enormous distances. A gorilla may injure one rival with his body; human beings can injure strangers they have never seen through a command, a system, or an idea.

And this is where the small dog is a useful image. The little dog barks furiously not because it is more powerful, but because it must advertise what it cannot safely demonstrate. Much human aggression has the same flavor: the louder the display of toughness, the more uncertain the creature may feel beneath it. The gorilla’s chest-beating says, “Do not make us fight.” Human aggression often says, “I must prove that I cannot be ignored.”

But one should not romanticize gorillas or condemn men too simply. Gorillas are capable of aggression, and humans are capable of extraordinary cooperation. The deeper difference is that humans can remember an insult for years, turn it into an identity, teach it to children, and organize thousands of people around it. The gorilla fights in the present; the human being can fight inside a story.

In that sense, the gorilla is not necessarily less violent. It is less able to make violence abstract. And sometimes abstraction is precisely what allows violence to become enormous.

Yeah a lot of people are like that, it's like a game of one upmanship, I usually use humour to dismiss them as its not worth the time trying to interact with them, they're just actors

It's more about exchange than anything.