/dep/ - Depression

It's hit or miss. It can be extremely terrible or whitepilling.

In my first psychotic depression, I had a psych who basically mentally tortured me and the whole staff and patients bullied me. I was too fucked to fight back. If they had done it now, I would have either escaped by breaking a window and jumping out or somehow strongarming my way into having them declare they couldn't care for me (not with violence because I'd rather be around passive aggressive freaks in a ward than niggers in prison). It was terrible and eventually they just released me to my grandparents because I didn't trust them (wonder why?)

But after that, I had to see a shrink and by great good fortune she has been very helpful and the medication for my condition (schizoaffective) has worked. I can't work but I am volunteering at an animal shelter and maybe one day I will be able to go to school and get a job worth having.

But I am in Netherlands (yes we have niggers here unfortunately). So I am not sure how it is in America. It is probably more difficult since money's tentacle is all over health care.

Good luck.

Genuinely unless you're actually having public mental breakdowns or are a risk to people, you're not really forced to take meds. Most mental institutions are pressed for space due to the amount of Fent Zombies on the street, so they're eager to get you out the door as fast as possible. You can just leave with your script of anti-psychotics and not take them. I think because of this abuse is actually less common these days. When mental illness was a lot rarer and public services were better funded, a lot of asylums were eager to get their numbers up and would delay releases.

As for abuse, it does happen. I'd say 15% of the staff are supportive (typically the orderlies) and 10% do get off on agitating and winding up the mentally ill. Security guards assigned to mental institutions will be honest about seeing staff members goad the mentally ill for sport. That said, it's not like mentally ill people aren't typically total cunts themselves (which you'd expect). The goading happened to me and they got an excuse to put me in lockdown. But there's simply too many eyes for there to be actual chronic abuse, it's typically just lies and manipulation. Most of the people there just don't care about you, nurses sit around complaining that they're bored.

If you see navigating the process as some arduous thing and are constantly fretting about psychiatry and meds, you probably are genuinely mentally ill. Terry Davis was completely off his rocker and still managed to navigate out of psyche wards and not take meds regularly, it's not usually hard to do. I think the worst of the anti-psychiatry talk is overstated, and I say this as a mentally ill person that has been institutionalized and forced to take meds.

>>306971
>I had a psych who basically mentally tortured me and the whole staff and patients bullied me.
That's normal and good because after being faced with real social adversity and the humbling realities of how pathetic allowing themselves to be depressed is, most men snap out of it and take their recovery in to their own hands. That obviously didn't work for you so they shuffled you around and pumped you full of pills instead.

>>306974

I'm sure you're a "real man" with a wife and kids and own a business that allows you to travel all over the world and live out your dreams. You're on an imageboard where such men gather, so clearly you're one of them.

Did you miss the psychotic part of psychotic depression? Do you deny the existence of psychosis and schizoaffective as medical conditions? I need medication to function. Psychosis is the total inability to function.

Now go fuck your wife and have a cigar, real man.

>>306975
>Anyone who isn't slitting their wrists this instant is a pussy-slaying normalfag with kids who smoke cigars
Are you trying to parody something?

Psychiatry is social control it is not medicine, their medications hold no scientific evidence, they don't even do a PET scan to see if your serotonine/dopamine receptors are altered in some way they just give you the drugs based on behavioural or cognitive symptoms, there have been people with 90% of dopamine transmitters blocked by antipsychotics still experiencing a full blown psychosis.

never took pharma, but i fell for the psychotherapy meme and it made me gaslight myself my entire life that something was wrong with me. in reality, it's this society and human nature that's fundamentally sick. the-rapist's job is to make you question your own instincts and make you believe that you're defective and need 20 years of being talked down like a baby to get better from some retarded foid or homosexual that couldn't hack it as a real doctor.

all psychotherapy and pharma treatments are placebo at best. they're all equally useless because they're not affecting the actual cause of people's "disorders", namely biology and society itself.
https://coherencetherapy.org/files/dodo-bibliography.pdf

>>306974
>>306976
smelly normalnigger

>>306977
This doesn't surprise me one bit, being aware of the history of psychiatry's use of lobotomies.
The need for some medical treatment to be better than placebo just doesn't hold for psychiatry.
I don't think it's just money, normies truly love abusing mentally ill people.

anti-psychiatry thread you say?
and yet no mention anywhere discovered of the jews who invented the very discipline of psychiatry? of the jews who own the pharma companies? of the jews who manufacture and countenance the prescribing of dangerous drugs? of the jews who weaponised "psychiatry" in (((soviet))) russia as a brutal means of enforcement and murder against any goy who was able to soberly perceive the new foreign (((communist))) tyranny of his nation and could not bear the weight of the lies of his government? psychiatry is jewish fraud.

>>306990
>psychiatry's use of lobotomies.
I believe (((Walter Freeman))) was the principal villain behind this trend. He even had a lobotomy truck called a "lobotomobile" in which he would travel just murdering as many goyim as he could.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-leading-edge/202505/a-dark-chapter-in-psychiatry-the-lobotomobile

https://allthatsinteresting.com/walter-freeman

This satanic freak died in the jewish city of Berkeley CA at a very advanced age. in infernis comburat aeternaliter.

>>306992
how disgusting

>>306970
I dont fucking care. I go to the psychiatry to give me pills and stop this shit thougths and impulsive behavior. I dont care about i will became a lobotomized I only want live in peace and alone.

>>307009
>I dont care about i will became a lobotomized
Looks like you are lobotomised already.

>>307012
that makes you brothers doesn't it?

>>307018
I'm schizophrenic not lobotomised

>>306971
>It's hit or miss. It can be extremely terrible or whitepilling.
From your description it seems like I hit the nail on your head. I am not American, I am also based in the European Union. I sometimes buy this fancy Dutch milk at the grocery store, freaking delicious.
>>306973
>If you see navigating the process as some arduous thing and are constantly fretting about psychiatry and meds, you probably are genuinely mentally ill
I think I am being reasonable, they simply replaced the restraints with tranquilisers and keep the worst of the abuse limited to the involuntary committed. It seems absurd to me to voluntarily look for medical help when you are having serious suicidal thoughts.

after being in and out of the hospital for years they set me up with outpatient treatment 5 days a week. i dont really like the group therapy

>>306974
I hope you are being sarcastic.
>>306978
Psychotherapy is as good as a placebo pill. If you want to talk about your issues you are better off trying any online forum or chat.

>>307009
Wiz, you only get one brain and one shot at life. Are you really willing to roll the dice on permanently damaging your neurochemistry? Not sure what you're taking, but accepting SSRIs is easily my biggest regret. I ended up with PSSD after less than a month on Prozac. It’s not just sexual dysfunction, the full syndrome is substantially worse than most people realize. This is not a fix, believe me. Taper carefully if you have to and get off this jewish poison. Compulsive behaviors and intrusive thoughts should be dealt with instead of numbed down, I recommend looking into ERP. That's what actually helped my OCD.

>>307629
https://alpha-stim.com/

I found this. I don't know if it works, but it seems preferable to drugs.

>>307228
>you are better off trying any online forum or chat
nta but i'm 100% doompilled about this. haven't had any irl experience with "friends" after graduating from high school, but no matter how hard i tried online people just don't work to fill my void

>>307630
>https://alpha-stim.com/
Not sure this would actually help with your OCD, plus it seems pricy. In any case I recommend avoiding therapy unless you find a therapist that actually cares about you and can help you practice ERP. But modern therapy is completely freudian and most of the time therapists refuse to listen to you, so I recommend practicing ERP on your own.

>>307634
>modern therapy is completely freudian
What? The only therapy most insurances will pay for is CBT.

>>307640
Most CBT insurance therapists don't actually do real ERP. They do talk therapy with a CBT label. Proper ERP exists but is hard to find. That's why I think modern therapy is often useless Freudian-lite for OCD.

i think the clinic wants to see me locked up

>>307631
>but no matter how hard i tried online people just don't work to fill my void
I can relate to this. I still prefer being alone to being around normies though.

>>306970
I've read lots into psych stuff this is a fun lecture
https://youtu.be/Af5RSk6Bx-Y

The same thing actually applies for medicine in generally to a degree tbh.

If you look into stuff on your own there is some value to be gotten from it, if you understand what psychiatric disorders are. (Loose collections of symptoms categorized so they can do research on what treatments help them)
No psych drugs are even expected to actually fix anything, they simply lower the metrics in the symptoms.

There are some therapeutic techniques that do have very good improvement rates for certain things in terms of modern psychology, you have to look them up for what specific things you might be diagnosed with though (don't trust it just because a psych told you it, figure it out on your own, ai is helpful.)

Apart from that I greatly prefer jungian depth psychology stuff but hard to find anyone for that probably have to do it on your own.

One of the key things I'm annoyed is never talked about is the idea of transference. It's a per-requisite for most psychological stuff to work in terms of therapy. Depth psychologists talked about it more explicitly, but modern ones talk about it but just more academically.

Basically the precondition for therapy to work is seeing yourself as inferior to the therapist and basically inflating the idea of the therapist and even divinizing them to a degree, this is what lets the therapeutic relationship function and if you aren't willing to do that it will not.
No one ever told me this but I would not have bothered with trying it if I did. In depth psychology they talk about it in terms of as a beginning stage, but one that has to be ended. (Jung specifically says at a certain point more analysis/therapy is harmful). Modern ones don't have that and instead keep people in this perpetual infantile state so they can drain them of money.

Honestly you are better of for the most part trying to write down as best you can your life story, all your psychiatric issues and ask an AI to analyze it, provide differential diagnosis of what it could be. Then look into how to distinguish between those, then when you feel confident look into the various treatments meant for that specifically you can also have AI do research to see what practical stuff you can do and what impact it's expected to have. Nothing has been more useful to me then the depth psychology stuff but hard to recommend anything for that other than just reading jung and maybe writing up a life history that is very in depth.