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 No.307294

always no matter what happens set backs always set me back. and my goals arent that fucking unreasonable either. Change my habits, or enjoy a fucking game. and something major happens to set me back. not only am I scared to change im exausted about constantly being worried about what price im about to pay for that slight moment of enjoyment. its like the default setting for me in this life is to be miserable and useless, anything good going for me has to be double the price of bad luck to throw me back to square one. Nothing but bad luck. im just so frustrated.

 No.307299

if it's not working, then just stop trying, wiz. are there any areas of your life where things actually do go smoothly and feel effortless? put your energy towards these things, double down on them, even if your parents/society thinks it's lame or bad for you. you can't succeed the way they're telling you to, you have to find your own path. don't worry about how it's going to make you money or earn you normalfag respect, if you put in consistent time/effort into these things, not only will it feel rewarding, you'll be better off in the long-term anyway than succeeding in what others tell you to.

 No.307307

>>307299
I tried to find it but it always ends up in a situation its hard to recover from. maybe im just not ment to do anything

 No.307334

Same. In fact it's worse for me, as my life has been fucked by very unlikely coincidences several times now. Maybe I am jinxed or something.

 No.307335

>>307299
this is good advice

the first part is to highlight the stop trying part. Not that this is the final step, but it's the first step to finally relaxing and then figuring out what you actually wanna do

(A) It sounds like changing habits is really difficult for you right now (what habits/ what are you replacin with?)

(B) And also enjoying a game sounds difficult because you're probably feeling too guilty or stressed because of (A)…. "Losers don't get to enjoy things"



Try just lowering the bar until you can do (A) and (B). Can you…. make your bed first thing in the morning, and allow yourself to enjoy something? YOu can start small. Try *ENJOYING* some food or drink consciously as a reward for doing (A), and slowly retrain your brain that (A) -> (B) is okay, allowed, and you deserve it even if (A) wasn't perfect every time

 No.307348

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>>307294
>my goals

just you having goals makes you a winner in my book. do describe your goal setting mechanism/logic/system/habit/approach please because both for personal selfish interest of me potentially learning something new (i love talking about this and i never find anyone) AND also for your benefit because i did learn a few things about this.

i repeat just you having goals is what separates you from the eggs you believe belong to i say!

 No.308057

>>307334
>>307307
you might be right, but it's important not to focus on external locus of control

 No.308060

I think some people are just born to be designated losers, NPCs, whatever. We lost the roll of the dice, brother.

 No.308063

>>308060
Literally there's nothing more to it. Even if you belive in free will or determinism. It doesn't matter anymore cause your birth place, birth date, traits, circumstances, how your brain mixture is going to be is already pre-written so you are bound to head a certain direction and become something you can't control. This is it really, God does play die.

 No.308065

>>308060
>"All the world's a stage, And all the men and succubi merely players; They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts"

I feel people like Chris Chan are actually some of the most beloved people on earth, specifically because people can gawk at them and feel better. Losers are loved in a sense, and people want them around to feel better about themselves. And sometimes the most successful people are the most despised. There's actual hate in my mother's voice when she gets going about Elon, I don't know why she cares to hate him. I guess it's because he achieves shit, idk. But I've never really heard of anyone actually hating Chris Chan. Whenever he's talked about there's loving fascination.

 No.308076

>>307348
eat shit

 No.308733

>>307348
Thanks wizbro!


I am not OP, but I have my own difficulty with goals since some of my "normal" goals were awfully sabotaged by my own parents.

Thanks for cheering me for having goals to begin with! I will try to do *some of them*

 No.308743

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>>307294
Wish I had real goals too.
I relate a lot to the randomness, feeling like I'm an edge case a lot of times.

I genuinely feel like I'm an NPC in a game world at times with broken RNG. It's usually something negative, absurdly unlucky and it stacks up to "unrealistic" stories people think I make up.

Like telling a doctors about having physical pains, limping and this whole thing somehow leading me to a psych ward before they ever bother to acknowledge the physical deformity/damage, only after paying for imaging out of pocket do they finally believe me, and EVEN AFTER THAT they still push the mental shit instead every time some new shit pops up. This is basically every doctor I've met in recent memory for no discernible reason. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLrnkK2YEcE

It happens in positive ways too. Like I'm on the brink of exiting life and all of a sudden I'm given a job far beyond my abilities and tolerated for years despite my many shortcomings and failures in a comfy position that I couldn't ever imagine replicating.

Critical failures absurdly disproportionate to whatever was the cause was and miraculous outcomes and rewards/results disproportionate to the effort put in.
Overall it's negative, but then great things happen just in time to keep me going….
Needless to say I've been embracing determinism as a result, but the absurdity of the experience makes it hard to believe it is strictly determined and not some random outsider having a grand old time messing with me like I used to with insects in a sandbox as a kid.

Makes me wonder how real most people are, or if I'm actually clinically insane and they just hear other words come out of my mouth than I attempt to say.
Then again sometimes the weird unprompted absurdly unrelated NPC like rants from people can be interrupted and somehow they snap back to sanity and give way to what I want. It's very odd.
Wish I was as coherent as some wizards here instead of rambling, but I hope the message is clear enough.

 No.308745


 No.308747

>>308743
>Makes me wonder how real most people are, or if I'm actually clinically insane

Most are not real. Covid should have proved this to you. And what do I mean by “real”? Having intelligence enough to think independently of others.
And you are not clinically insane. No man authentically mad would ever be discovered self-aware of his own madness.

>I genuinely feel like I'm an NPC in a game world at times with broken RNG.


You’re just smart and very self-aware in a world in which apparently nearly all are not. Any sufficiently caring and self-reflective human will fall into the belief that he’s beset by soulless people wandering through outwardly random environments as an isolated observer. The ancient gnostics even had a term for this and that term is ἀλλογενής, meaning literally “of a different kind”, but translated as “stranger”. Those who have thoughts like those contained in your post really are ἀλλογεναι (strangers) in a difficult world that is not native to the quality of their souls.

>This is basically every doctor I've met in recent memory for no discernible reason.


I can fairly say: me too! Except I disagree with >for no discernible reason. The reason is quite plain: doctors are indoctrinated; not only “intellectually”, that is in how they understand and treat diseases, but also “personally”, in how they hold the most of their patients in contempt as less than themselves. Doctors (95% of the time) are dangerous prideful psychopaths who look down on their patients while having very little actual curative medical knowledge. You should have known this by your age (presuming here that you are 30+). If I can flatter myself, I already knew to be careful around doctors (that they do not make good decisions and are often uncaring toward sufferers) by the time I was in my early 20s.

>Critical failures absurdly disproportionate to whatever was the cause was and miraculous outcomes and rewards/results disproportionate to the effort put in.


Here’s an interesting passage out of Plutarch from an essay titled “De Pythiae oraculis (On the oracles of Pythia)”, the subject whereof is the investigation of the truthfulness of the responses given to ancient men who would sue for the attention of oracles in the hope of learning the truth about present realities or the future or whatever:

“ὡς 4 γὰρ οἱ παῖδες ἴριδας μᾶλλον καὶ ἅλως καὶ κομήτας ἢ σελήνην καὶ ἥλιον ὁρῶντες γεγήθασι καὶ ’‘ ἀγαπῶσι, καὶ οὗτοι τὰ αἰνίγματα καὶ τὰς ἀλληγορίας καὶ τὰς μεταφορὰς 1 τῆς μαντικῆς ἀνακλάσεις οὔσας πρὸς τὸ θνητὸν καὶ φανταστικόν, ἐπιποθοῦσι κἂν τὴν αἰτίαν μὴ ἱκανῶς πύθωνται τῆς μεταβολῆς, ἀπίασι τοῦ θεοῦ καταγνόντες, οὐχ ἡμῶν οὐδ᾽ αὑτῶν 2 ὡς ἀδυνάτων ὄντων ἐξικνεῖσθαι τῷ λογισμῷ πρὸς τὴν τοῦ θεοῦ διάνοιαν.’”

(This reads somewhat awkwardly in greek but I tried to render it as clearly as possible):

For as boys seeing rainbows and halos and comets and the moon and the sun do rejoice, and these do love the enigmas and allegories and the skyey changes being reflections of prophecy and illustrative toward mortal kind, they do also desire the cause of the change, not however sufficiently learning, they go away from god clearly knowing, it is not of us nor of them as of things being impossible by reason to arrive toward the cogitation of god.

But again mind the last clause of the paragraph:

“ὡς ἀδυνάτων ὄντων ἐξικνεῖσθαι τῷ λογισμῷ πρὸς τὴν τοῦ θεοῦ διάνοιαν” as of things being impossible by reason to arrive toward the cogitation of god.

I quoted this line twice precisely because it is perfectly true: human reason cannot prevail to capture the logic of the causal system that god (or the demiurge) set in place to govern this reality.

>and not some random outsider having a grand old time messing with me like I used to with insects in a sandbox as a kid.


This impossibility of understanding the hidden causation behind human life has led some to conclude we’re trapped inside a deterministic false reality created by a lesser sadistic demiurigic deity. Though I personally don’t believe this as (for instance) the fact that we have free will cannot be reconciled to the notion of a limiting malicious demiurge.

Finally, if you’re still with me, and your attention hasn’t totally been shot by this point, read the words of the Epicurean Lucretius, who well-knew the helplessness humans feel when trying to decipher reality:

“summa etiam cum vis violenti per mare venti
induperatorem classis super aequora verrit
cum validis pariter legionibus atque elephantis,
non divom pacem votis adit ac prece quaesit
ventorum pavidus paces animasque secundas?”

also when the greatest power of the violent wind thru the sea
sweeps a general of a fleet upon the flat waters
equally with strong legions and elephants,
does he not affrighted of the winds approach
the peace of the gods with vows and seeks with prayer second souls?

and also:

“quippe ita formido mortalis continet omnis,
quod multa in terris fieri caeloque tuentur,
quorum operum causas nulla ratione videre
possunt ac fieri divino numine rentur.”

inasmuch thus dread contains all mortals,
because they observe many things to be made on lands and in sky,
the causes of which works they are able to see by no reason
and do adjudge to be made by divine spirit.

These very ancient poetical lines should prove to you that you are not insane, and that searching for larger identifiable causal patterns in a world that is very sparing of them has ever been characteristic of human intelligence.

 No.308968

>>308747
>the fact that we have free will cannot be reconciled to the notion of a limiting malicious demiurge.
From our perspective/perception and even then only within an extremely limited scope all things considered.
An ant in a terrarium has free will to an extent.

 No.308985

>>308968
>An ant in a terrarium

well that's probably what we are, being that space is fake and we're under water.



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