No.307651
it's true, but it's worse than you think. most "people" aren't even human, they're bio-robots that react as if they have inner experience but there's nothing there actually. they're part of a hivemind and most of the time they're in idle mode where they just sync up on memes, but sometimes they operate as a unified whole and cause wars and revolutions. i don't know who or what controls them but ever so often it happens and the results are disastrous.
a good litmus test for whether you are dealing with a conscious human is any signs of internal conflict and "neuroticism". this implies that the body and mind (soul) are separate and want to go in different directions. the zombies on the other hand, operate in reality with zero friction because they have no soul and it is trivial to adapt themselves to any arbitrary conditions that they might find themselves in.
No.307655
>>307651Okay, and this changes things how? You don't mistreat animals just because they're animals either.
No.307668
I think the same. Memes have changed people's way of thinking. Memes make people take things less seriously
No.307693
All opinions I pay attention too on social media are recycled after another following the same cliche meme-pattern.
No.307730
I agree
No.308045
You sounds like a failed student trying to cope with his broken ego, ngl.
No.308046
>>308045you sound like a failed normie trying to cope with his broken ego, ngl
No.308047
>>308046My ego is very fine, don't worry. You avoided my point though
No.308106
yea everyone pretends to fit in, that's the God of the normie, social approval.
No.308922
>>308903Before I read an "in-a-nutshell" explanation of his ideas and some of the examples maybe…
…i would like to say I do find myself in the situations when the very feel of being pushed to the limit creates strong emotional feedback within my mind.
No.309003
>>308903Thank you for this recommendation. This is fascinating. Listening to a podcast about him. Yes, the theory of desire being mimetic makes sense. As does the idea that the subject of copying becoming a rival. This being a basis of violence. Therefore competitive violence is, for want of a better word, natural or inevitable. Scapegoating becomes the way of attaining stability. Makes sense. One can see it in schools.
No.309566
I know what you mean. The worse thing is what this means for effective education, law and order and politics. If people are just copiers then it sort of defeats the purpose of democracy. Nobody can even agree on what words mean so rational debate becomes fraught if not impossible (Hobbes).
Progressive parenting and schooling is built on the idea that kids behaviour is either rationally driven or driven by emotional problems created by experiences. e.g. ‘little Billy is acting out and getting angry because of some trauma that needs to be listened to.’ Similarly progressive approaches to law and order rest on the same concept; ‘people commit crimes because they had broken childhoods or make a rational decision because they are desperate for money and food.’
By contrast more conservative approaches to crime see it as a fundamental moral failing - sin.
If I am right and a lot of human behaviour is driven by literal f all except copying other and habit then it means that quite a lot of crime and violence and disruptive behaviour really is straightforwardly fixable by brainwashing, training and habit building.
No.309577
>>307650>Makes me wonder if the self even fucking exists and we are just biological self replicating robots copying things.I don't know why you would ever consider those two things to be mutually exclusive.
No.309597
>>309577Yeah I did not explain the context as I was in an emotional state at the time of writing. I had been reading some Buddhist texts - one story about Nagasena and King Milinda stuck out to me.
You can read it for yourself:
https://suttacentral.net/mil1/en/kelly?lang=en&layout=plain&reference=none¬es=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latinI thought the only response to Nagasena’s thesis was that humans consciousness was the khanda that provided reality to the self. However, I have realised generally speaking human beings are not really conscious at all of their decisions. We just do things and our consciousness comes second. Our thoughts we experience are not our own. They come from another khanda not the conscious part. Our decisions and actions do not come from the conscious part of the khanda. They just arise and then we experience them then we pretend we made that decision. We are like robots.
Very depressing and disturbing.