/dep/ - Depression

Are there no local labor jobs that just involve shoveling dirt? Even in developed nations, fresh graduates of oversaturated degrees such as IT still need to work menial labor and service jobs until they land one related to their degree. You've done the responsible thing by preparing for the boot, but a crappy labor job would not only give you money to save but also get you out of your parents' hair. Just keep telling them that once you land a good job you'll pay all of their bills (lie).

>>307994
do you live in india by any chance?

>>307995
Nope, a crappy labour job here, I hate to say this would make absolutely no dent at all in my finances. However, I am looking at other jobs which don't require degrees. Like in surveillance and everything. But here's the catch with them because employes know for a fact that anyone who will do 13 hour shifts of patrolling in heat under the sun (currently the top 50 hottest cities in the world are in my country) would like to leave job as soon as they can if they get another one, so we have something called bond period and that too in the north of 3 years, where if you quit before 3 years you will have to pay 6 months' salary to the company. I am still looking at them as the worst case option while applying "aggressively" (as my LLM would say it) for beginner roles in IT. And I do think being here in my parents' house for a while is prudent as to gather all the resources that I can.

But I have to say it should have been obvious to me and maybe it always was but it seems like I, or, men, or maybe all hoomans don't really have any inherent value and must earn just to have a right to some dignity.
>>307996
Yes, more like exist here, doubt the life of a subhuman like me can be considered living though.

>>307996
lol you needed a confirmation?

yeah society works like that, no money = fucked
and fuck people who aren't willing to generously provide for their offspring for making new people
I didn't sign up for this
suicide sometimes is a good thing

I spend a fair amount of time reading up on the Indian economy, especially the rural economy. And I do genuinely think things will collapse there soon and large segments of the population will starve to death. The soil erosion from fertilizers and excessive water pumping, combined with the fact that most of the rural population are marginal farmers working tiny 2 acre plots, is a ticking time bomb. The central government there is going broke subsidizing their agricultural sector, Sri Lanka went broke a few years back due to their balance of payments and foreign reserves drying up, which lead to an immediate crash of agriculture. Pakistan's relative stagnation is what's hitting India now. It's not just me predicting this, Jayant Bhandari theorizes that up to 90% of the population could die off in such a crisis.

Get the fuck out anywhere, to any country. Russia, China, Latin America, anywhere. Get on a temporary holiday visa and just run off if you have to.

>>308056
Shitty way to go but for the best frankly. Now we just need the Chinese population implosion to happen and we'll be at much more manageable levels of population globally. OP take this man's advice and run if you can. Best of luck to you if you can't.

>>307994
why are you so focused on IT? If it does not work out for you then just admit it to yourself and try to learn a new profession, find some job that give free mentorship

>>308067
Not OP, just the westerner that reads up on the Indian economy.

There is nothing outside of nepotism and caste in India. The individual there is simply crushed. The entire subcontinent is a rentseeking operation where if you try to do anything or take any initiative in business, 10 bureaucrats come out of nowhere to skim their cut. Everything is closed off with bureaucratic tape, and you can't scale up any business outside of your family and/or caste. Large segments of the economy (especially the rural economy) are feudal in nature, with some men having little fiefdoms where they control the bureaucratic node and can make everyone grovel to him for favors. Sharecropping and debt slavery still exist there, where the only person you're allowed to sell your grain to in the village is the same person you're in debt to. The top 13% of the country lives something resembling a western life, who are the ones that can even afford to make it to the west, with access to semi-functioning institutions and the insulation from the worst in life. This 13% have actual maids and servants, servants come cheap there because the poverty at the bottom is so real.

The people there are so corrupt that even a mafia alternative to the government is impossible. At least in Mexico if the cartels take over an area they enforce some semblance of law and order, Indian criminal gangs can't even handle that. The courts quite literally don't function in India, there's a backlog of cases going back years. And judges collude with lawyers to stretch out cases as long as possible to milk both the prosecution and defence. Everyone builds massive fences on their property because encroachment happens the second you turn your back. People refuse to rent rooms to people larger than them because unless you can overpower them, you're not getting them out. Basic contracts don't go enforced, and people brag about how they're able to effectively squat on land that doesn't belong to them and the owners of the home can't do anything about it.

People there think exploiting other people is cool and masculine. People there think that shirking your work duties and living parasitically is something to brag about. Being polite and using your manners to someone is a signal of low social status, that you're inferior. Most relationships there are a pecking order, where those on the top are very eager to flex on those below. The lower castes are the worst for this behavior, funnily enough.

IT and medicine are like the two open ways to successfully launch a career without having to asslick and grovel to one's superior at every waking moment. And that's typically through working abroad and sending back remittances. Engineering used to be in this category but I think that's recently imploded. The reason they're all focusing on the same career choices is because there's quite literally nothing else, the entire place is locked into stagnation due to chronic overregulation.

OP basically has to find someone to give him opportunities in his caste/clan/religion/network whatever, or put his neck out in one of the most insular, tribalistic, low-trust and clannish job markets there is.

>>308068
You seem pretty well informed. I've been wondering what the fuck happened to India as a whole? I mean at some point they had something resembling a functioning society did they not? They came up with a lot of the big eastern philosophies and traditions that are still around today. And like the Chinese, somehow they never made the jump to becoming a normal somewhat civilized society once resources and tech started scaling up. That's something I am real curious about, how both of these cultures seem to have completely devolved in a relatively short amount of time.

>>308069
I saw your reply to this message before it got deleted. I appreciate the in depth perspective and the time you took to reply.

>>308072
Yeah, I deleted it because OP is going through a hard time and I don't want to be too critical of his country and his culture. It's a hard world out there for wizzies, especially third world wizzies.

>>308056
That sucks for Indians, but at the same time it is what it is. I mean, how many people can possibly live in any given region? There's already 2 billion Indians, should that be 3 or 4, or even 10 billion? The sustainability of a population is not a given. A nation either keeps itself alive, or it doesn't (duh). I can imagine a highly advanced society, technology developed society being able to foster a large population, but it's no surprise that you can't have a nation where 99% of the population lives like a medieval peasant.

>>308074
a highly advanced, and technologically developed society*
woops

>>308073
As low of an opinion as I have of Indians in general (due to the things you have mentioned in the deleted post) I also don't wish harm on any particular Indian if they don't deserve it. They certainly didn't choose to be born into the conditions they were and genetics/environmental mix simply did the rest. I had a Chinese penpal for a few years and he too was a decent person simply caught up in a terrible place, same as OP I suspect.

>>308056
Well you know let met tell you how things work in the rural economy, farmers, used to well off themselves back in the day when they couldn't sell their crops or couldn't preserve them. And I believe what I am about to say will tell you how it is like here.

They put the Government in between through protests and quite frankly threats of violence. The Government then agrees to buy the crops at a fixed price. Now, here's the problem knowing that the government is going to buy them at a fixed price, they started producing a lot of them, believe it or not we're in surplus, and that is how we're gonna die.

Sugarcane for example, the government bought a lot of it, to the point that the government couldn't sell it even at a loss, so what they did was make Ethanol out of it, added it to the petrol vehicles as E10 Fuels. New government comes in, and at this point, the sugarcane farmers are abusing the absolute shit out of the land, that is, they don't do drip irrigation, and literally 1% of this crop is draining more than half of our ground water reserve, which is an incredible feat in a country like India where apart from a few regions, water is not something we have had a shortage of.

But now we do, so the new government rolls in, the transport minister's son interestingly owns the land where sugarcanes are grown and the factories where ethanol is made and all of a sudden with no announcement whatsoever they role in E20. Now, most of the cars and vehicles experienced a small and minor drop in efficiency, but Ethanol is going to corrode as it's hydroscopic, and if not because the tank is closed, it's going to eat the Rubber hoses. So this is how corruption works, and literally they took the most fertile soil and ruined it.

Everyone in India, acts like quite frankly a gang, the people who drive 3 wheeled monstrosities and are widely hated by people with cars and even with 2 wheeled vehicles, they literally act like a gang, they would withhold an entire city till their outrageous demands are met like the government shouldn't standardise the fee by the kilometre, because believe me most people who have no option but to use these things get looted by these drivers.

Same goes for the farmers if you don't remember farmers literally tried to lay a siege to New Delhi just cause the government wanted reforms but the farmers wanted to force the government to buy their produces like I mentioned before at Minimum Selling Price. And trust me this is not evil capitalism vs good socialism, it's evil capitalism vs parasitism.

But yeah man, I am trying my best to leave the country but I don't know to where and how to be honest.

>>308067
I actually believe it or not am not focused on IT, I have been trying for jobs outside of it but unfortunately I couldn't figure out what else to do at that time, and I was relatively good at computers (massive massive misjudgement on my behalf, no doubt), I am not aiming for other paper pusher management jobs too.

>>308068
Absolutely, and you have to understand that while castes play a massive role, I would argue they only mostly play a role in marriage (which is where the rigidity comes from), although even that is being diminished, and we have something called "reservation system", now let me say this straight up, I support welfare and I also support affirmative programs. But I am sorry to say this system is churning out absolute losers, I believe some other Indian Wiz posted about this, but basically castes are divided this way here on legal and gazetted purposes: General Category, Other Backward Castes (OBC), Scheduled Casted, Scheduled Tribes. (Economically Weaker Section (EWS) as well)

And here's how the debate like about this in the Indian Subcontinent when we have all India exams or vacancies for jobs, generally speaking the people who are not from 'General Category' are the ones who are ripped off, for example a cut off for university for someone from 'General Category' would be 99.97% for a University while for someone who is 'Scheduled Tribe', it would be about 45%.

And that is what is eating General Category people alive here, they say that incompetent people are getting jobs, and therefore the system would be done for. And STs argue that to do away with reservation system we have to do away with caste system first. Now, here's the problem with this, let's say all General Category people are evil. Let's say that they educated their kids from the resources they plundered from others, but I would argue that while it is true, the car they stole, ultimately their kids know how to drive it and the kids of other backward classes and so don't even though they could've had they had a car.

So in my opinion the people who are not 'General Caste' should petition the government not for handing them the driving licence because they couldn't have it cause someone else stole the car and taught their kid to drive and now he's earning money through that. But they should petition the government to actually build more schools, invest in education, etc. And here lies the whole problem, because in this scenario it would take government roughtly 20 years to educate a generation, but they can't win election on long terms goals, and here's another problem, it would likely require people to study which they don't want to do (in some cases though I am glad because the competition would be crushing even more lol, and I can't imagine that)

And honestly even the founder of this system in India, a man named B.R. Ambedkar, who is like what George Washington is to a red blooded American Man, but for the "lower castes" in India. So ultimately in India we don't really have welfare or affirmative programs but handouts and even those of low-quality that they literally harm all parties involved even on the opposite side. As for your point about maids and servants, comrade, most maids here work 2 hours a day at a house. As for full time servants and maids, you're looking at really really way up to the very top 0.5%, I would argue.

As for the justice system, the government has been trying to reform it but they can't because they have never had the majority in upper house of the Parliament. Our Supreme Court Justices are elected not by anyone else but by themselves, we call it the collegium system, where justices themselves elect other justices when they retire (usually their own kids, so yeah) and not only that in most countries the law is "we'll let 100 guilty people go free if it means not punishing 1 innocent system", the law in India is exactly the opposite, if you're interested read about "legal terrorism" (interesting that was a statement given by the supreme court about succubi misusing laws) that succubi employ against men in India, now this is something that is very hard for me to help illustrate to non-Indians because our reputation towards succubi precedes us, although I hope most people would consider that most men here do have mothers and sisters.

And absolutely, the rental situation is hellish too, the government maid laws to protect tenants from unfair eviction and the tenants now abuse the absolute shit out of that law, and you're right illegal encroachment called "land grab" is a major issue, as an old saying in India goes, Men fight, and Men Fight for Land, Money, and succubi.

>People there think exploiting other people is cool and masculine. People there think that shirking your work duties and living parasitically is something to brag about. Being polite and using your manners to someone is a signal of low social status, that you're inferior. Most relationships there are a pecking order, where those on the top are very eager to flex on those below. The lower castes are the worst for this behavior, funnily enough.

>OP basically has to find someone to give him opportunities in his caste/clan/religion/network whatever, or put his neck out in one of the most insular, tribalistic, low-trust and clannish job markets there is.

You hit the absolute nail on the head with both, literally that's the only way, although my extended family doesn't associate with me that much cause they are very individualistic due to being way richer than us. Apart from that it is the most bulletproof way to get a job.

>>308069
Well a lot of issues, including which that China was never invaded from outside in the way that India was, and I am not talking about Brits here way before that and way before that as well, and I can go on great details about it.

One again while I say this keep in mind, I don't particularly blame someone for it, but India's roots were inherently unbelievably violent, you have to understand that this country knew how to read and write and after being invaded by whoever Aryans were, the country didn't read and write for 1500 years.

The civilisation itself, was then later crushed by incoming onslaughts by Greeks, Scythians, Huns, Kushans, and dare I say invasions Central Asia by Turkic people were inherently brutal to the point that I will say this flat out the entire subcontinent's politics will be shaped by it for the foreseeable future.

And the other thing with India's devolvement is simply I hate to say this democracy, the man who made the reservation system in India made it only for a few years to settle and even things out, but it has lasted forever because politicians have found a massive vote bank there. And quite simply the truth is we're poor, and when you're poor and moreover you hate your life, you hate everything, you don't want to work.

This is the reason why we have so many IT graduates and so little open source softwares cause simply people got into it for one reason which is for roti (bread), there's nothing more or less to it to be honest. And once again, you have to understand the Chinese Socialism invested massively in a workforce and got rich by letting the capitalists abuse the shit out of that workforce made by socialism, we have never had that here, that I feel like is the main reason, and internal bicker, lots of it. Let me know if you want to know about something else, I feel like I maybe able to offer a slightly different perspective cause I feel like I really know every nerve of this country.

>>308073
No worries brother, we're not on 4chan here, I don't take any offense to you saying anything about my country or culture and I hope it's vice versa because ultimately for what it's worth, I am pretty sure I would get well better with people from wizchan than I ever could with people of my country, but I understand that for a lot of people they are quite in love with their nations and cultures.

>>308074
Don't worry we are going to have an even bigger crisis on our hands from severely declining birth rates across all the economic, religious, caste, and what have you strata, and of course we have completely burned our demographic divided, so the lower-birth rate issue is going to be even worse than China here.

>>308078
What was the deleted post about?

>>308086
Why do so many think being under foreign rule for centuries means that your nation is now fucked forever?
England was ruled by Romans, Vikings and Normans(French) for a total of 800 years. Yet that didn't stop them from becoming a global power.
Spain was under muslim rule for 800 years. But look at Spain now, certainly doesn't look like your typical Arab country.
China and Greece were ruled by Mongols, Manchus and Turks for 400 years. It did cause setbacks, but it didn't doom them to be underdeveloped.
India's problems seems to be more rooted in their institutions and religion. Rather than a history of foreign rule. Maybe this can be fixed by replacing Hinduism with Sikhism.
Some religions or branches of a religion instill better values and thus produce more "good" people. I mean you can clearly see that Protestant European nations are much better than Catholics and Orthodox ones.

>>308086
Appreciate the lengthy explanations. You have my utmost condolences for having to live there as a guy with self-awareness and intelligence. It seems like absolute hell. What I truly don't understand is the amount of filth and trash that seems to be everywhere. People always say low IQ and that probably plays a big part but I think even if someone is low IQ they could be trained or raised to act differently, it's not cognitively demanding to just not throw trash on the ground wherever you are at the moment after all.
So there must be this immense cultural decay where people don't even really care about these environments they are creating? I mean in some part I get it, if you are born into it you acting different won't make any change, not even for yourself since you won't be able to avoid the trash from everyone else around you. But it still just boggles my mind how it seems that collectively the population has just decided "eh fuck it, we're not even going to try to make things better for ourselves" and continue to turn the country in a gigantic open air sewer.

And why do many of those people not change once they manage to escape to another country? I feel like I simply cannot grasp this complete moral decay that seems to have gripped most of the Indian population.

>>308089
I have to say, I thought I could maybe elaborate my thoughts properly in earlier replies, but this is another curse of being low IQ which is that you can't elaborate what is there in your mind.

To answer your question, the answer is far too simple, the people in power are in power because they don't want to do any work and instead rely completely on identity politics for example, people of Religion X, Caste Y, Region Z will vote for Party A just because they will get some handouts (which aren't even good and in some cases don't exist) but they instil a sense of reparations from the region Z2, you get the point. It's identity politics and vote bank politics on steroids.

And you have to understand that unlike China our Socialist Institutions like Public Schools failed, completely, as they couldn't guarantee any employment after it, unlike the Chinese Socialist institutions of Public Schools which guaranteed employment by instilling skill in Chinese workforce, who was then all too happy to later work for Capitalist Companies, even if it meant that they won't make a fraction of workers in the West do but a moped was still a major upgrade over bicycle.

>>308095
No problem wizbro, although I don't personally believe that I have much intelligence as I have managed to barely scrape by in exams and other things, and have never had a good performance in exams, and can barely even write a piece of program more than 20 lines long before losing the track of everything. Low IQ is a curse tbh.

Honestly, with India it's not even IQ that's the issue, it's simply that people don't like the life they lead, there are things like when you go to a hospital you have to stand in lines for 7 hours straight in 42C with leaving no space between the person in front and behind you. Literally dick to ass, it's a hellish experience, for example, there are people who literally go to a temple to pray that they get their Government ID updated, which sounds nuts because getting a Government ID updated shouldn't require some sort of divine intervention but that really does go and show how much you have to fight for everything, fight for the place in the bus, train, to update the government ID, to go to a mechanic.

As I said, I mean, people here just enjoy kicking the can down the road, even simplest of things never happen, because people hate their life, their work, and their pay. The mechanics in India for example never use a torque wrench even if it just takes extra 2 minutes of effort searching up on the Google what is the Torque Specification for tightening the wheel to the hub.

And that's the thing with littering, people here have subconsciously learnt to ignore, let me explain cause this is interesting (at least to me) a cousin from my extended family who lives in the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave, told me how horrible things are in America and how people can't even pay off the used cars that they bought. Now, the reason this is interesting is that growing up in India, he has completely learnt to ignore poverty and environment here, I told him that, man you've gotta be nuts saying things are bad in America when we have disabled people in India crossing the roads on makeshift skateboards which get stuck in the potholes, then the truck next to him with pressure horn blows his ears out.

Ultimately, that's the thing with littering here, people just ignore their environment, even middle class people with squeaky clean homes, their cleanliness is just limited to their homes, outside of that, my god, you have everyone littering, the condition is unbelievably bad, it's just that nobody really cares, they are so hopeless when it comes to this, that they don't care but also that's all they know. And they have subconsciously learnt to ignore the litter on the side of the road that would greatly bother anyone from the developed world.

As for not changing when going to other countries, I have heard (not sure how correctly) that the Indians born in the West do manage to break-free of these things, but as for the other Indians, I would say you're still getting the better ones in terms of behaviour, but I suspect old habits die hard, but I will say this I think just by the virtue of clearing the high requirements Western Countries have for immigration, I assume that we're not sending the worst, unless well some country has lacklustre requirements where you will undoubtedly get the rowdy ones.

>>308095
>What I truly don't understand is the amount of filth and trash that seems to be everywhere. People always say low IQ and that probably plays a big part but I think even if someone is low IQ they could be trained or raised to act differently, it's not cognitively demanding to just not throw trash on the ground wherever you are at the moment after all.

Westerner who reads up on India again.

It's that picking up the trash or caring designates you as a good-natured sucker ripe for exploitation. While throwing trash on the ground and not caring designates you as cool and powerful. If you're white, I'll give you an example you can understand. You know how that 15 year old white trash with a permanent scowl on his face goes into cornerstores blaring Eminem music on his loudspeaker, just forcing that noise on other people? It's that exact mentality, extrapolated across an entire society.

There's good natured Indians in India, there's a lot of them. But when you're forced into that high stakes environment where the majority of people have that mentality, you're forced to mimic it for basic survival. Things spiral out of control really bad in those countries, and being a loser doesn't mean just collecting NEETbux and posting here like it does in the west. It means homelessness and the risk of actual malnorishment, untreated infections and being at risk of violent predation from the exact sort of people I described above.

Indians that come here are very hesitant to accept basic favors from anyone. Why? Because in their home country favors aren't free, they're little pieces on the chessboard that people in power use to cash in at a later date. Gift giving is a Machiavellian control strategy. It takes 6-12 months before third world migrants here relax and understand it's safe to accept a favor.

>>308096
The post I deleted was genetic determinism. About how the peculiar nature of tropical monsoon based agriculture and managing irrigation channels selected for that sort of behavior historically. It was an elaborate explanation about how that explained caste based endogamy, the hierarchical abusive culture, the fatalism, and the callous indifference Indians typically have towards those outside of their immediate support circle.

>>308096
>As for not changing when going to other countries, I have heard (not sure how correctly) that the Indians born in the West do manage to break-free of these things, but as for the other Indians, I would say you're still getting the better ones in terms of behaviour, but I suspect old habits die hard, but I will say this I think just by the virtue of clearing the high requirements Western Countries have for immigration, I assume that we're not sending the worst, unless well some country has lacklustre requirements where you will undoubtedly get the rowdy ones.

The Punjab region recently scaled up the infrastructure required for a migration industry, and Canada is now genuinely getting Punjabis more representative of the average Punjabi, and by god they're not handling it. It's causing the Indians that came a generation before (the 90s and 00s) to chud the fuck out, it's other indians wanting to throw them out of the country. The votebank politics you mentioned above is spreading to the west in the form of the Khalistani separatist conflict. Luxon (The NZ PM) recently had to basically grovel to him and tell Modi that he'll do more to root out Khalistani separatist cells.

The United States still genuinely receives the cerebral cream of the crop. But for other western countries it's becoming a heightened source of tension.

I think a big part of the reason the Indians are so boldly offensive these days in Canada and Australia is that millions of them showed up during peak woke self-flagellation. There was the residential school self-hatred stuff getting blasted in media, BLM everywhere, gay pride shit everywhere year round, land acknowledgement stuff all the time, and so on. It probably made whites look like total cuck faggot losers who were ripe for exploitation and colonization. Perhaps they were too low IQ to realize that this stuff was all top-down astroturfed, and hardly anyone actually believed any of it.

What’s funny is that they’ve been so utterly obnoxious that it has soured westerners on all Great Replacement activities and turned everyone into chuds. The boiled frog gambit has failed, and the frog has awoken from his slumber. Our politicians are still total fags, but it’s a disaster for them.

>>308097
>The post I deleted was genetic determinism. About how the peculiar nature of tropical monsoon based agriculture and managing irrigation channels selected for that sort of behavior historically. It was an elaborate explanation about how that explained caste based endogamy, the hierarchical abusive culture, the fatalism, and the callous indifference Indians typically have towards those outside of their immediate support circle.
Yeah, I mean that is a fair thing to say, although how much of it has truly seeped into the blood here is a bit hard to say (for me) to be honest, but yes, there have definitely been other dysgenic practices as well sometimes sponsored by other Dharmic Relgions which came from the likes of Gautam Buddha, Jains, where they took the best men of the country, it's warriors, and forced them to be monks and celibates. And drove Hinduism to the very end until Hinduism was forced to accept a million gods just to appease everyone, introduce dietary restrictions and disregard food from non-plant based sources to appease to the crowd going the route of other Dharmic Religions, probably that affected the Genetic Makeup as well, but then again I don't know much about genetics and they seem very complicated to me.

>>308100
Yeah I have heard this a lot from other people living in the West too, I don't really know what is the solution now, except to wait for them to die, because I doubt that their kids will want to have any connection with the subcontinent, but dare I say I don't know too much about what's going on outside India because I have never left the country so naturally I wasn't that interested in what's going on outside. Although I would say I doubt that your average Indian, not the one you meet on 4chan or reddit, has like real malice for whites, that I have to say isn't much of factor here. And of course I do remember reading that most of the immigrants in Canada are from Punjab as you said, and of course it's a long time joke in India about Punjabis going to foreign nations, which is funny cause Punjabis don't form that much of a population in India, but then again India is huge.

>>308056
>large segments of the population will starve to death
not gonna happen, the UN will organize famine relief and there will be a refugee crisis, where large numbers of Indian migrants will be accepted to western Europe, not unlike what happen to the Syrians.

>>308107
Honestly, don't worry, with Syria it was closer Europe. India is far away and Europe even the liberals and left are tightening the laces of the boot. So rest assured, I doubt that Europe will take 1 refugee from India from these sort of conditions. Besides you'd be surprised to know just how competent India is in terms of surveillance and intelligence gather and just how unmotivated your average Indian is. It make come as a shock to some but India has more cameras per head than China in cities.

>>308103
>Jains, where they took the best men of the country, it's warriors, and forced them to be monks and celibates (…)
If anything this to me indicates that genetics aren't the sole determining factor in how society/behaviors get encoded. You have essentially the same race of people capable of embodying a broad spectrum of cultural values over the years. If everyone was a devout Jain India would probably look a lot different today. Maybe there is a genetic floor and ceiling as to which kinds of values any given race can adapt, I don't know. But genetically even the lazy, glutenous Western boomers here come from a lineage of warriors and savages who were lean, mean killing machines.
I'm by far not an expert but to me genetic/environmental mix seems to be most likely. And the environment in the sense of culture and society also is subject to selection pressures. So perhaps the current Indian culture is a result of being better adapted in some way to whatever pressures India was facing back then, only now it's become entirely self-defeating and a behavioral sink. I heard for example the perspective that these Jugaad-type behaviors that make everything worse on the whole might make sense if you are living under a system of imposed colonialism where it is your only way of not cooperating with the system without facing harsh punishment.
That is actually an interesting question - the guy who reads up on India said that colonialism was generally well accepted in India since it at least created a functioning order instead of the constant free-for-all that exists outside of it in normal Indian culture. Do you know anything about that?

>>308110
>I heard for example the perspective that these Jugaad-type behaviors that make everything worse on the whole might make sense if you are living under a system of imposed colonialism where it is your only way of not cooperating with the system without facing harsh punishment.
Very Correct observation. I am surprised that the word "Jugaad" has went mainstream, but really Jugaad translates to makeshift, I think the other thing where this kind of makeshifting is done is because of extreme frugality and economic conservatism that the generation before millennials practiced because they simply didn't had enough resources to do so, but even when they do now, they refuse to stop this.
>the guy who reads up on India said that colonialism was generally well accepted in India since it at least created a functioning order instead of the constant free-for-all that exists outside of it in normal Indian culture. Do you know anything about that?
Depends on who you ask, for the majority of Hindu Population in a weird way that was a relief from the continuous rule of the Mughal Empire and the Empires of these types which had nothing but venom in their hearts for the Hindu Population of the country. And let me just say this, it was so bad that it made the British Rule look good. The other thing is that it has been almost 80 years which means that the oldest man in India if he were to be 110 years old, has seen just 31 years of British Rule, while the median age was lower back then so people don't really remember the British Rule in a weird way even though it was relatively recent than Mughal Rule but it's largely because they still see the people who represented that Mughal Empire in India, so tensions unfortunately continue, today but we hardly see any Brits here.

But I will have to be honest with you here, most of the people around me and even the said descendants of Mughal Empire abhorred the British Rule, some people (a minority) praise it but in a twisted way like I do, I think that it's actually amazing that British Left India with which is probably the most robust Postal Service in the World, new Canals, and railways system which is frequently alluded to by people worldwide. But the fact remains was that these systems were not charity but were instead designed to have a better organised control over the natives of the country and to loot them. I remember being really young and meeting a man who was educated the British System and worked for the British Army in India, and I was like 11 years old at that point and I asked him straight up about this, and he said that from what his parents told him what life was like in Delhi and constant onslaughts, the British bought stability, and a predictable system as long as one knew his limits.

I truly believe that British System in India was truly a marvel, and British were the least worst of people to colonise us, because in most ways they outsourced it to us, and God have mercy it wasn't Spanish or anything, but then again the brilliance of British System was that British (to their credit) were able to extract more value out of India in a way that Spainish or Portuguese never could with sheer force. So I think for the most part the sentiment towards colonial rule was that it was largely a disaster for India, but some people like me think that while it was a disaster and certainly in realpolitik no country engages in charity especially towards the people considered inherently inferior by them I still think that they left India with a lot of bureaucracy and a functioning system even though the system was made to choke India. But yes, a lot of Hindus especially do believe that British Rule freed them from senseless slaughter which was worse than economic slavery that they got put into, and rightly so. And of course there are some people who believe we were genuinely better off under the British Rule because they are simply frustrated with the way things are in the country. So that's more like a knee jerk response so to speak.

>>308107
What happened with Sri Lanka is that the IMF and World Bank rushed in and gave them gibs to restart their agricultural industry in a more free-market fashion. I think it was something like a 5 billion dollar grant, which also allowed Sri Lanka to leverage itself with more debt and get the ball rolling again. In exchange for that, the votebank shit of farmers just voting for gibs was made to stop, but there's a lot of pressure there to return to the old ways of unsustainable subsidies.

>>308112
There's two parts of British rule, the EIC and direct crown rule. From what I understand (my knowledge of this part is more patchy) is that the EIC was on its way to becoming a typical extractive empire, utilizing the same mercenary castes to maintain its rule, and playing divide and conquer. They gained power initially by offering a less-corrupt alternative to the Mughals, and Indians themselves turned to them, it was a bottom-up selection choice in a lot of ways. After the ball got rolling and they blobbed over the sub-continent, they started to utilize the same dirty tactics the Mughals once used. It started to embarrass the British crown and lead to PR issues when some of these renegade mercenary castes took it too far and started looting Indian cities.

British crown rule was very expensive for the British, but was managed like a standardized administrative Empire. The actual British Raj people generally have in mind only really came into existence for the last 70 years of colonial rule, it was a relatively short period of time. They tried in the 1930s to squeeze a profit out of their colonies and do what the Marxists have always accused them of doing, applying protectionism and locking their entire empire into a common market. It just didn't really work and they were still haemorrhaging money. The entire reason the British fucked off in the 1940s with barely a fight is because exponential population growth in India made the situation financially and logistically untenable.

I do think the British are responsible for formalizing caste in a way that didn't help anyone, and institutionalizing it. It was done for two reasons. The first was that they asked the local powers how caste worked, and the people in charge at the time gave the most aspirational religious answer and the British took it at face value. It'd be like a medieval monk telling foreigners that the great chain of being truly was based on blood and immutable (Europe once had caste too in the middle ages, and France had their own dalits). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cagot

The second reason was scientific racism was just getting started academically, the chud-shit that lead to the Nazis later on. So the British genuinely believed that the Brahmins and upper castes were genetically superior and more Aryan, capable of sharing power with the British, and the dalits were a dumber aboriginal population meant to serve. Racial reasons were given instead of religious reasons, but the result was the same. Caste genuinely used to be more fluid, some families used to be able to shift castes as they gained or lost power, and the British are in part responsible for ossifying it into what it is through their census taking. Of course there's other factors that kept caste problems around, but that's the big fuck up they made imo.

>>308103
>I don't really know what is the solution now, except to wait for them to die, because I doubt that their kids will want to have any connection with the subcontinent,

It's their kids that are the worst for this behavior, in all honesty. And they connect with their homeland in an abstract fashion because they're naive about the reality of it, their parents who had to live there realistically know its faults, but their kids are delusional. You're right that the average Indian doesn't care about white people enough to seethe at them, but the second generation ones have a massive chip of resentment on their shoulder. "We are here because you were there" is said completely unironically by them politically, that their presence and imposition in white countries is a direct karmic response for colonialism. Even the highly educated American ones have a brimming racial resentment towards whites.

That said there's intermarriage and mixing happening too so in the long term it looks like these sort of politics becomes untenable, on both sides. You won't exactly get remigration with booting every indian out, but also after enough time enough will feel settled in western countries to not really feel alienated and constantly seethe. A lot of the hysterical response of the recent racism is because people do feel it's on the verge of being too late to go back, and I think it is, the toothpaste has long since been squeezed out of the bottle.

>>308116
>They tried in the 1930s to squeeze a profit out of their colonies and do what the Marxists have always accused them of doing, applying protectionism and locking their entire empire into a common market. It just didn't really work and they were still haemorrhaging money.
This is where I will disagree with you, Britain, as much as I respect the country and it's people, they are not the kind of country to give away a single sterling in charity. There is so much literature on this online, in books both British and Indian, the country was for most part the Crown Jewel of Britain, apart from last two years, which thanks to the war were an anomaly and bankrupted Britain, and even in that war which was not ours or concerned us in anyways we paid with our treasury of money and paid in blood for which we got nothing in return and nobody remembers us for that and in a war that was not ours to begin with. India was throughly a major asset for them, and they milked it well. It's not a romantic time for us.
>It's their kids that are the worst for this behavior
Damn, that surprises me a lot, I know a few of them, and almost all of them detest India. And not only that all succubi date out, I don't think men will date out, because the blackpill dictates that being an Indian is as bad as being a 5'3 male in the dating market. And in both Indian Men and succubi born there, I have heard nothing from them except disdain for India and even greater disdain for newly arriving people, they call them fobbies or fobs or something. This is surprising. But then again as I set it doesn't interest me much what goes on there, because I mean, once you change the country, and you have kids there, those kids as far as I am concerned are Americans and in their eyes we're backward people responsible for ruining their reputation and for the racism they face.

>>308125
>This is where I will disagree with you, Britain, as much as I respect the country and it's people, they are not the kind of country to give away a single sterling in charity.

You could be correct on this part. I have read a little on the British Raj but not too much, and most of the sources I have are right wing Austrian economics perspectives and /pol/tard chuddery. The idea mainly being the opportunity cost for the British and that the money spent on colonialism could've been invested elsewhere and generated a similar or better return. Although for what it's worth I think colonialism in India was a massive mistake either way, and I wish the British were never involved there.

But even many of the academics that are critical of the marxist claims that colonial Europe looted the third world carve out a slight exception for India. Many of the more mainstream books I've read on the 19th century second wave of European colonialism talk about how India was strangely an exception to the moneysink thesis. The book "Oxford University's Short History of the 19th century" (pic related) had an assortment of academics all saying "yeah the British Raj was profitable, a few east indies territories were profitable, the rest really weren't". Africa absolutely was a moneysink and there's so many cabinet meetings government officials in Germany and France held talking about it. The German government wanted their own version of the East India company for Africa, so they could offload the colonies onto them, but no private investor was willing to get involved.

>Damn, that surprises me a lot, I know a few of them, and almost all of them detest India.

I can't mindread but I guess they just have a diaspora identity and feel they don't belong. Maybe it's their way of pushing back against or coping with the increasing racism and they don't really believe it? And I don't know man, people genuinely get along better than you read online. I'm an older guy that went to school when there was just one token pakistani guy and one token sikh succubus, and now it's like 15% of my city is indian. If there's a group of four or five teens doing something after school downtown, it's common for an indian to be in the group. The online talk about it only being succubi and the men being sexless virgins seems to be all bullshit too because it's both guys and succubi and both seem to be dating. What do I know though, I'm a sexless virgin myself just judging friendship groups I see on the street. But yeah, it doesn't really impact you where you are.

Politically though the Indian diaspora is highly involved and integrated with mainland Indian politics and working to get more and more indians abroad. So they still clearly identify with their homeland (human nature I guess), they're not exactly looking to pull the ladder up anytime soon.

Anyways, thanks for replying to my excessive rambling. I hope things work out for you man.

>>308126
>What do I know though, I'm a sexless virgin myself just judging friendship groups I see on the street. But yeah, it doesn't really impact you where you are.
I there's one thing that unites wizards here, I only used to read about relationships when I used to be an angry and rageful person back then who just discovered blackpill and terms like involuntary celibate but at this point, I think most of us are trying to accept or working towards living with our fate. Hopefully, though I hope Indians don't cause you much trouble but hey, I have lived in India since birth I know how truly horrendous the people from this country are, and I guess it was a mistake for Western Countries to accept so many immigrants from India, although still baffles me cause I thought it was very hard to immigrate.
>Anyways, thanks for replying to my excessive rambling. I hope things work out for you man.
No problem wiz-bro, if anything I quite enjoyed talking to you whether we saw eye to eye or not on things, but I am you know typical loner with no friends, no internet friends so it's always so nice to talk to you and other wizards like you on this forum, unless of course normies and co will try to shut this place down as well.