/dep/ - Depression

i agree, disagree, and agree some more. but this is very nuanced.

first of all not all wizards of the world are on wizchan, and this place is probably a stopgate for a lot of wizards on the brink of self-destruction so there's a very skewed bias into the bleakness of our current state.

but it's not all black and white; what does one GAIN from wizardry if they stopped feeling sorry for themselves?

could there be a blissful state when you realize how much time you just achieved for yourself without the trappings of a normalfag life (wife and kids, mortgage and two car payments, constant financial and social obligations…)


when you start to flow with wizardry instead of looking back at all you 'missed out on' you can realize 'not my circus, not my monkeys' and start to live the life you are meant for.


i know it's a bitter pill to swallow; but what else choice do you have?

there's nothing wrong with living your life how you are, unless you have internal judgments of it. Or are you just carrying someone else's judgment?

And lastly… your suffering is valid and accepting less than you deserve and learning to be happy with it is a painful grieving process but there are ways through it. There's always some glimmer of light at least to get you through another day just keep looking for what is compelling YOU FORWARD. There's something there. Prolly a lot of negative trauma actually compelling you AWAY from something.

>>308393
>are you just carrying someone else's judgment
I do

>>308391
I understand your frustrations, even if I don't feel the same way. Yes, sometimes it stings when you have to interact with normals and you feel it in your bones that something is off about you. Something fundamental that prevents you from understanding or connecting with most people. At the end of the day we are social animals and rejection hurts, simple as. Now as far as suffering wizards go, I think a lot of folks here especially on /dep/ are stuck on some of the lower rungs of society, not only socially but also economically and materially, which might make it even more difficult on them. You could say that they are lacking ways to cope with not being able to experience a fundamental part of being human or whatever.
Personally, while I'm not a full wizard yet (though I will be in two years) I have come to terms with my life for the most part. As I said, sometimes interacting with normies is painful in some way or another and you might feel like a failure in comparison to others. But in my experience the comparisons are mainly something you experience in your late teens when hormones are peaking and which then recedes. Maybe the body eventually understands that you aren't going to mate and thus stops investing as much energy in those systems, "use it or lose it" and all that. But even over a decade ago I knew I would end up a wizard when I was lurking on here, reading posts from strangers online that were some of the most relatable bits of human experience I could consume. Granted, I didn't really expect to fail out of uni and NEETing and what not, I figured I'd live somewhat normally on the outside and just never have relations to succubi but it is what it is.
How >>308393 said, however you live your life is fine as long as you can genuinely be fine with it. At some point you have to learn to not let other people's perspectives and expectations of you cloud the way you actually feel about yourself.

I don't really view myself as superior or inferior than others just because I don't pursue sex and sex doesn't pursue me either, I just come here because I like being able to discuss ideas and life-experiences among like-minded guys without getting the finger pointed at me for being autistic/virgin/weird/ugly/etc; not like wizards are angels but I feel most of us were handed the short end of the stick by parents and/or society for no fault of our own, and we're told to man up and join the rat race just so that other rat racers can feel better about themselves when running it next to us, no thanks. Sure my life is miles better than some poor Ukranian being blown off to bits on the frontlines but that doesn't mean that I have to be happy about the normie abuse I received all my life, both things happen because of retarded cruel humans running society and if you train people to keep it to themselves you end up with an abused dog slave society like China or North Korea.

I also don't understand why you're shoehorning muh racism into this post, it must be nice to live so sheltered from the world.

>>308397
>racism
because it is linked to feel superior

I wish you had typed this better, there’s a tad too many errors, but overall, yeah I agree somewhat.

To begin with if we are losers or not, I believe it hardly matters in the way you are mentioning it, we all have our own cognitions, mind you it is true society would consider most wizards losers and failures but they have their own lenses of what “success” entails, and while I consider one should be aware of such lenses and their cognitions that doesn’t mean they should weight on you or that you should judge yourself with them.
Regarding self-aggrandizing wizards, well, yeah I find it to be appalling behavior, but there are people who need to heighten their ego everywhere, be it normies, crabs, faggots, losers, winners, wizards etc, when it comes to wizards though I do believe for some it’s merely a way to cope, probably because they can’t completely detach from those lenses I mentioned before, so they do see themselves (at least to some degree) as losers and they can’t be at peace with that, so they turn to considering themselves, their behaviors and cognitions inherently superior in some way, pathetic behavior to my eyes but well. Mind you some definitely do believe it wholeheartedly and for them it’s not a cope but rather a completely objective fact, how one reaches such a point I’m not too sure, the same goes for racists, I do believe it tends to largely come from a need to cope.
When it comes to your idea about the “überwizard” I consider it really interesting, I myself have pondered about the same before (but rather calling them just “true wizards”), and overall I agree in the sense that someone who reaches such a state of internal peace with themselves, the world, their conditions etc is worthy of being considered different or as you say a “überwizard”, just as you I believe they’re rare, though personally my experiences tell me there’s probably a decent amount of people who are in a sort of middle state between a normal one and a über one, if they’ll ever become a über or maybe even regress to a wizard or maybe even morph into a crab, only time will tell and honestly, I don’t think we can ever truly know at which state someone is, only they know, we can at best do educated guesses.

When it comes to the rest what can I really say, it’s your cognition, I don’t consider myself ugly for example nor do I mind that I’ll never get the success normies speak of, though I can be honest with you and admit I’m a weird mentally ill, religious waifuist who derives the meaning of life from different places, I do suffer though and so do many other wizards so I get why you post this and overall what you mean, as you yourself said /dep/ exists for a reason, I hope this thread helps you at least slightly, be it just to relax or maybe think about your own life, introspect and think wizard, that’s all I can really recommend you or anyone else, even if we can relate and prop each other up we each have to think for our own and arrive to conclusions that fit the human we all are deep inside.

>>308400
sorry I'm a esl and I write what comes in my mind so it looks like a brainstorm, sorry.
overall, I just need more answers from different wizards. thank you

some feminist propaganda
>so why wizards aren't happy?
your delusions aren't proportional to reality.

>>308398
It depends on the emphasis. I was always racist but I only really leaned into it once my life came apart. It's sort of like how some of the most successful guys with succubi hold succubi in contempt, but they don't have bitter hatred about it like the losers do.

I've noticed normalfags express their racism in more subtle and condescending ways, rather than direct anger.

>>308408
>I've noticed normalfags express their racism in more subtle and condescending ways, rather than direct anger.
I agree

>having a genuine desire to disengage from society and NEET/live alone is impossible and the result of a delusional superiority complex
what a bunch of crap

>>308454
give us your wisdom

>>308507
i guess wizards might develop superiority complex to cope, but it's likely going to be tightly coupled with a comorbid inferiority complex.

but i'm not sure how it's related to disengaging from society, i think it mostly comes from society being crap.

maybe >>308454 is just mad

>>308507
neeting isn't superior to being a cucked normie autohumiliating for the system is what the OP is saying
neeting is obviously superior in every way

>>308532
Neeting is superior if you have inheritances or large monthly assistance payments from parents in addition to the state assistance.

Living purely on state assistance is rarely a life worth living even in the west.

>>308534
If you're already locked in in min wage jobs it's a realistic option in some European countries.

>>308535
Yeah. From what I've heard for a lot of people working one of those shit paid jobs makes no sense if you can collect welfare from the government instead. I think you need to game the system to also get cheaper housing, maybe some additional benefits somehow, idk. If you don't need much to live it can be a decent arrangement I guess.

>>308391
>even non-white are more successful than you
well you can be a nonwhite and still be a virgin otaku freak, man fuck my life
>>308534
>Living purely on state assistance is rarely a life worth living even in the west.
honestly it is quite comfy, social isolation aside but even when i was working i was too retarded to make human connections so does it really count? sure you dont have a lot of money but if you are in need you can just do a month of part time work and you're good to go, just buy an electric moped or ebike or some shit so you dont have to deal with buying gas and it's really nice the only bad thing is the weather but if you're a native european i think your body and mind is adjusted to cold weather so i guess thats just a migrant issue either way it is much better than wasting 75% of your waking time working alongside people who mock you for your mannerisms or interests

>>308536
yes, I'm jealous as my country has just stopped long term unemployment benefits, it is very limited now, it's finding a job or ending up homeless now
Imagine living in some Scandinavian country just collecting and being able to take walks in nature and stuff