/dep/ - Depression

The real world is miserable, dangerous, without purpose, and one can only take so much of it, that's why men invented fiction. Fiction is a way to distract ourselves from the flaws of being alive. But I don't like video games neither, I always end up quitting the game after a few minutes. I like reading fiction though. It gives me enough open space to use my imagination and enough input to not be boring.

The idea that fiction is mentally unhealthy for you and pure idleness shows that you yourself have been tricked by 'centralized propaganda' as you call it. Are you a productive drone yet?

>places that don't exist have begun to repell me.
a normie has been born, behold

>>309760
>The real world is miserable,
i don't agree, there is misery, especially if you engage in information habits that actively amplify the misery, but there is also the ability to carve out a place for yourself that isn't miserable. for it to feel miserable you have to look at more misery then you are able to handle and fail in making your most immedeate surrounding a refuge from the misery. i conclude that this is just something you have failed in while i have succeeded in it.

>dangerous
you'd think that if you are a regular impressionable consumer who is open
to modern mechanisms but if you are motivated to find things out for yourself instead of blindly trusting the group, venture out of your comfortzone, steadily learn about new things, your fears will decrease over time.

>without purpose,
i don't respect this collectivist self-sacrificing perspective in which purpose has to be given to you by higher ranking people because you are too lower rank to make decisions.

>and one can only take so much of it,
the mentally healthy way of saying this would have been "and i can only take so much of it" but i already see that you are too much of a teamplayer to say anything that isn't in the teamplayer's script.

>that's why men invented fiction.
weakest reasoning i have heard in all of 2026

>>309761
>The idea that fiction is mentally unhealthy for you and pure idleness shows that you yourself have been tricked by 'centralized propaganda' as you call it.

how

>Are you a productive drone yet?
no i am productive in my own life. i try to make good decisions, invent stuff, research how to improve and choose wisely so that i can benefit from it and the people i like. i'm not a drone, i am not dependent on other people creating a fake world for me to flee into. i try not to flee. i think fleeing is the problem. how is what you advocate for any different then living in the pod? you basically describe the pod without using the word pod.

>>309762
>a normie has been born, behold

that't not true because all the normies care about fiction. who watches netflix, who subscribes to youtube channels, who cares about book bestseller lists, who cares about hollywood movies, normies. i could argue fiction is even worse then sports because at least sport is something you can see with your own eyes really happening. normie females watch shows about pretty succubi getting in relationships with attractive males just like you watch whatever you don't have the balls to try to get in real life.

>>309766
whats wrong with living in a pod?
I been living in the same small room all my life already and in the last 7 years I didnt even go outside once.
entertainment like videogames, movies, porn, internet in general provide me with everything I need and outside of my pod is a hellish normalfaggot world full of normalfaggot people I dont want to be involved with.
so whats exactly the issue?

>>309766
Nothing of what I said has anything to do with living in a pod. In fact I don't know how you come to your conclusions, your reasoning seems random not to say nonexistent. Fiction does not have to be escapism but can simply be a fun way to spend your time that you can actively choose, escapism does not have to be mentally unhealthy but can ease your pain and sorrow for some time, what you call reality versus fiction is debatable as an invention of fiction represents a work of conscious activity by a human being thus being a part of human reality if you are not completely sensory reductionist, whatever you call reality is nothing more of a body having to piss and shit any project you are working on that somehow uses symbolism language sense systems by nature is already fictional in one way or another no less than a story that is written in stone.

>>309801
>whats wrong with living in a pod?
i don't think the innocent are not meant to live like prisoners.

>I been living in the same small room all my life already and in the last 7 years I didnt even go outside once.
i respect this very much, i had shorter phases where i didn't go outside either but i strongly advise against it.

>entertainment like videogames, movies, porn, internet in general provide me with everything I need
trick-statement because actually you don't need anything so you could have named anything and it would have provided you with anything you need. there is no necessity other then a place to sleep where you don't drown or freeze and some good food.

>and outside of my pod is a hellish normalfaggot world full of normalfaggot people I dont want to be involved with.
i respect this. i understand how you would feel that way, you are neither wrong nor unreasonable. it sucks to be surrounded by these predatory people. but there are degrees. i have not reached them but i am trying. like living in a place with very few people, have you tried that? that's what i wanna try.

>so whats exactly the issue?
you are missing out and you most likely don't deserve to miss out. even a bad real life is better then a virtual life, don't let yourself be seduced to quit reality. there are ways to make reality less hellish and i hope you find them. most likely it is stuff you have heard about but never bothered to try. i hope you find the strength inside you to bother!

>>309803
>Nothing of what I said has anything to do with living in a pod. In fact I don't know how you come to your conclusions, your reasoning seems random not to say nonexistent. Fiction does not have to be escapism

i disagree but whatever if you choose to watch people live a life instead of living your own life to me that is living in a pod, to me that is escapism automatically. if you did live a real life, you'd have very little time to care about anyone's fake life. it would have to be an exceptional show for you to watch it, given that there are infinite things to watch.


>but can simply be a fun way to spend your time that you can actively choose, escapism does not have to be mentally unhealthy
i don't agree. i think it is unhealthy. i think if you did the most important thing you can do to improve your health (which is decide to be healthy and do whatever it takes to feel what it is like) you would not write on your list of new habits "WATCH OTHER PEOPLE LIVE A LIFE WHILE I SIT ON THE COUCH" you'd rather choose to listen to audiobooks while riding bike or listen to a far out podcast while hiking.

>but can ease your pain and sorrow for some time,
feel free to describe it so innocently and favorably but i wouldn't. i would describe this as you being seduced by short term pleasure which does nothing to improve your dire long term situation.

>what you call reality versus fiction is debatable as an invention of fiction represents a work of conscious activity by a human being
by a human being, great. but not by you. someone else made it. but what about you. you have greatness inside you. you should try to let it out and create using direct conscious activity, not represented conscious activity.

>thus being a part of human reality if you are not completely sensory reductionist, whatever you call reality is nothing more of a body having to piss and shit
i am sorry to humbly inform you that you are not doing it right. you are equating your failed user error tainted attempts of reality with that of an experienced reality enjoyer.

>any project you are working on that somehow uses symbolism language sense systems by nature is already fictional in one way or another no less than a story that is written in stone.
what no, when i build my own shelf there there is nothing fictional and symbolic about it. and when i use language then purely for practical purpose. you can live a life so relentlessly rooted in reality that stories are unimportant because they are too fake for your taste.

when someone watches fiction, then you have to initialize variables in your braincode for the fictional people, fictional places and so on. that's filling your brain with things that aren't real. imagine you watch 10 shows and 30 movies in a year. after that your brain is filled with fake people and fake places. if i as a hermit did that, i would slowly fill my brain with fake people but not with real people and the fakeness would slowly take over my brain. my brain would just be a receptor for things that don't exist.

imagine the trajectory long term: every year that passes my brain would initialize 100 new people and 100 new places while i only 10 real people and 10 real places. that would mean the artificial in my brain would grow at 10 times the speed, every year fake stuff would dangerously outgrow real stuff:

year 1: 200fake 20real
year 2: 400fake 40real
year 3: 600fake 60real
year 4: 800fake 80real
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.
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year 10: 2000fake 200real
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.
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year 30: 6000fake 600 real


i imagine a brain that is 90% occupied by stuff that doesn't exist and only a tiny corner 10% of the brain left for reality.

>>309805
>actually you don't need anything
yes I need entertainment, without entertainment life is boring.
>like living in a place with very few people, have you tried that?
I'm perfectly fine in my room where there are no other people.
>you are missing out
no I dont miss out on anything, "real life" is boring and a waste of time. any time spend not on a computer counts to me as wasted.
>even a bad real life is better then a virtual life
absolutely not
>there are ways to make reality less hellish
murder is illegal last I checked

>>309809
>that's filling your brain with things that aren't real.
things that arent real are much more interesting than "real" things.
>after that your brain is filled with fake people and fake places.
which are more interesting than their real life equivalent
>but not with real people
real people are niggers/normalfaggots. why would you want to know shit about "real" people? boring.
>and only a tiny corner 10% of the brain left for reality.
question is how to reduce this further.

>yes I need entertainment, without entertainment life is boring.
you are being too dramatic, a need is something life can't go on without. you would never bore yourself to death so that's nonsense what you are talking. i genuinely believe the conventional opinion on boredom is spot on: when you are bored, you are not spending your time wisely. if you were, you'd be so busy you would hardly ever feel bored. personally i have discovered what i believe to be the answer to boredom which is a system that connects different parts of my brain at different times and different moods. to describe it as simply as i can: i have a good way of making notes of things i find interesting and then when i am bored, i press one button and one of these notes pops up on my screen. that's the answer to boredom, not watching lord of the rings.

>>like living in a place with very few people, have you tried that?
>I'm perfectly fine in my room where there are no other people.
well i dont wanna end up like you so i am still gonna try it though i feel kinship to you with disdain for other people.

>no I dont miss out on anything,
do you even astral travel and meditate? because that is the only way i see to not miss out, other then that you are missing out. i was in africa this year and encountered wild monkeys who survived in a city and now my city feels like inferior trash. though the squirrels (what i believe to be the closest things to monkeys i have) tried their best to cheer me up. animals don't treat me as bad as they treat the other people, they can sense i am closer to them then to the normie humans.

>>even a bad real life is better then a virtual life
>absolutely not
i'm real, it is way better to talk to me then to talk to a bot. people love it to talk to me, they wanna tell me all kinds of shit and come up with all kinds of evil ways to trick me into forced conversations. that's proof. checkmate atheist!

>>there are ways to make reality less hellish
>murder is illegal last I checked
but then you'd be one of those assholes you wouldn't want to be around. you better take good care of not becoming what you hate, that is the one thing you can have over normies that makes a life worth living. normies would hate themselves if they met themselves and you don't have to be like that.

>>309813
>things that arent real are much more interesting than "real" things.
then the consumerism has worked on you unfortunately.

>why would you want to know shit about "real" people? boring.
you know what, you got me there, i wouldn't. i think people are completely boring but part of that is because they are so eerily similar to each other which i ascribe to them being subject to the exact same education and entertainment. i'd love to know interesting people but normal people of course not, i consider that a torture.

>>and only a tiny corner 10% of the brain left for reality.
>question is how to reduce this further.
i roll my eyes in disdain. if you are in any position to make choices and you choose fiction over reality, the freedom of choice is wasted on you. choice i believe to be the biggest thing most people here on dep leave on the table unexamined. you could choose your way out of any shit and i don't mean ending your life prematurely, human life is already short.

>>309814
>you would never bore yourself to death
without entertainment I would probably have killed myself a long time ago.
>well i dont wanna end up like you
then this site is not for you normalfag
>do you even astral travel and meditate?
waste of time so no
>i was in africa this year
my condolences
>it is way better to talk to me then to talk to a bot
not really, AI is pretty decent these days, probably why this board is so dead these days. also provides more entertainment.
>people love it to talk to me
I dont love talking to you, I wanna understand why a normalfag comes here.
>checkmate atheist!
religion is a waste of time. your god is not real and does not exist.
>but then you'd be one of those assholes
ewxactly, thus improvement of surroundings is impossible.
>>309815
>consumerism
nothing bad about consumerism. I have lots of time to spend on it and it costs nothing.
>you choose fiction over reality
fiction is better than reality.
>the freedom of choice is wasted on you
I use my freedom to do what I want.
>you could choose your way out of any shit
no you cant.
>human life is already short.
its not short enough, there really is no point getting older than 30 unless you enjoy boring repetition.
after 30 years you have already seen everything that there is to see.

>>309816
>without entertainment I would probably have killed myself a long time ago.

i guess you don't know how to make yourself feel good and out of desperation try to seek it outside of yourself where it can not be found.

>then this site is not for you normalfag
rude. i am a legit hermit but trapped in one of the more densely populated places on the continent.

>>do you even astral travel and meditate?
>waste of time so no
it is not a waste of time. you have not felt the good stuff and try to sell me crumbs here.

>religion is a waste of time. your god is not real and does not exist.
a god might not exist but there are things the religions point towards, a way of being connected to everything around you that once you felt it you could never feel lonely, needy or down on your luck. and you have not found it so i will not accept any unqualified shit talk about it from you because it can only come from a place of ignorance.

>thus improvement of surroundings is impossible.
within pessimism (or how generic people like you call it "realitsm" tfu!)… within pessimism everything is impossible and you only focus on what can't happen but if you tried optimism, you could find small differences to make. you are merely limited by your proud ignorant unwillingness to leave the save shores of pessimism, where everything is shit and ever will be and no disappointment or false hope could ever touch you.

>nothing bad about consumerism
you make such ignorant and inflationary use of "nothing bad" that i have to conclude that you don't really question things too deeply. you take like 5 seconds, come up with something vaguely logical and call it a day and go back to watching power rangers.

>>the freedom of choice is wasted on you
>I use my freedom to do what I want.
i don't think you do. you say use your freedom but you could just be fallen victim to habits and just coast on your habit without using anything. habit is not choice, autopilot is not real flying. real flying is when you make the decisions, not when all you do is default to what you did yesterday.

>>you could choose your way out of any shit
>no you cant.
no, i can, you can't. you can't chose because you are hypnotized by self-destructive consumerist habits, i don't have such problems. i try to make the most out of every day. i tinker on stuff, i write, i invent stuff, i research, i try out new stuff and try not to repeat the mistakes of my youth where all i did was play video games because school felt so much like rape.

>there really is no point getting older than 30 unless you enjoy boring repetition.
i agree that there is an experience that sets in at 30 but there is so many things i don't know that i want to learn, i have currently over 300 things that i am trying to make progress in. learning about plants, about foods, about places, about authors, about books, about materials, about tools, about therapies, about places, countries, continents, animals, teas, herbs, soils, machines, spices. this absence of curiosity that many adults have i explain through bad health. yeah if your health is so bad that you feel exhausted just from sitting on a chair doing nothing, then you probably not gonna spend energy on reading about local herbs. you can't compare an adult who is healthy to an autopilot adult on consumerism who is kept alive through modern medicine.

OP why are you so invested in defending your own perspective while devaluating any other perspective? You know that to any sane person you appear as schizophrenic. Just work on your projects man, nobody cares or stops you, but the fact that you try to compare with others, praising your own way of living as the only correct one and delegitimize any other approach to life just makes you desperate and sad and an insane religious person.

>>309831
if u want to break his little mind tell him that you never engage with fiction and that what he think is fiction on your shelf, is actually a metaphorical different perspective at real world events that is helpful for various purposes, recreation not excluded. remind him, that recreation is an important part of life that lets the brain rest. watch him melt down.

>>309759
Frankly that sounds like insane normie cope to me. If you just don't enjoy reading fiction that's fine. But at what point are you going to draw the distinction between what is worthwhile and real versus what isn't? Is drawing on paper vs drawing on a computer the same thing? One some kind of 'unhealthy disconnection' and the other the only 'true reality'? Or is the only thing that matters in the end the feelings of the artist flowing into their work and creating emotion in the person that experiences their work?
It sounds to me more like you are just stuck in some kind of self-imposed moral framework where you started making seemingly arbitrary distinctions between what is a worthwhile way to spend your time and what isn't. And from the way you are describing it, it sounds like exactly the kind of normiecattle self improoovment advice you'd expect from YouTube grifters and the like. At the end of the day you and only you can and should decide what is worth your time and what isn't. Human life is short, there's no point in feeling 'guilty' for reading fiction and enjoying it when you could be studying particle physics but be miserable.

>>309831
>OP why are you so invested in defending your own perspective while devaluating any other perspective?
just read the thread. this this would be abundantly clear if you did. i wonder if fiction in general could be dangerous to mental health; a source of mental unhealth even. i wonder if anyone here has valid opinions on this. i wasn't expecting much since dep is more of a place for people to vent frustration and scream at the world but i still have not given up that there might be people here who have genuine interest in the promotion of mental health and practice healthy habits, thus could offer valuable perspectives i have not considered. feel free to participate and offer anything but suspicion and hostility towards me.

>You know that to any sane person you appear as schizophrenic.
i understand you have the desire to present yourself as the speaker of sanity in front of me. that is contributing nothing to the thread. if thinking about this topic is so taboo, uncomfortable and threatening to you then why not agree with me that this is a topic that deserves some scrutiny and critical attention.

>>309836
NTA but you haven't elaborated on how you make the distinction between something being worthwhile or not. Fiction being unhealthy is just your opinion, which you're entitled to but which doesn't make it a fact.
You said:
>>309808
> don't agree. i think it is unhealthy. i think if you did the most important thing you can do to improve your health (which is decide to be healthy and do whatever it takes to feel what it is like) you would not write on your list of new habits "WATCH OTHER PEOPLE LIVE A LIFE WHILE I SIT ON THE COUCH" you'd rather choose to listen to audiobooks while riding bike or listen to a far out podcast while hiking.
Your opinion on the matter is just about as unfounded as everybody elses. You THINK it's unhealthy. You THINK if someone wants to be healthy they would stop any and all fiction. Funnily enough, listening to audiobooks or podcasts while outside is something I myself would consider "unhealthy" or at the very least suboptimal. It's just falling into the trap of trying to do multiple things at once that modernity funnels everyone into, instead of being present with the sights, sounds and sensations of your life. In that same line of thought, reading fiction and being engrossed in a story that grips you is a worthwhile experience.
I think you are mistaking consuming fiction in general as trying to kill time when bored, as if it couldn't be a conscious way to spend your time and engage with a story.

>>309832
>if u want to break his little mind tell him that you never engage with fiction and that what he think is fiction on your shelf, is actually a metaphorical different perspective at real world events that is helpful for various purposes, recreation not excluded. remind him, that recreation is an important part of life that lets the brain rest. watch him melt down.

why would you be this triggered and hostile if you genuinely came to this place in an effort to benefit your mental health. i conclude you just treat this place as your personal toilet.

>actually a metaphorical different perspective at real world events that is helpful for various purposes

you don't sound like you could handle more disagreement so all i am gonna say on this is that what i already said applies to metaphors, that should make it easier for you to preserve ignorance and not bother you further with differing points of views.

you don't seem to share the opinion that reality is something precious and i got that. i doubt the more unconscious parts of your mental orchestra agree about the value of reality, especially those older parts of the brain that have a hard time distinguishing between reality and fiction without emotional patient attention from your more modern brain hardware. if you were serious about your mental health, i would talk to you about this being something you are leaving on the table when it comes to your mental health efforts but i have already taken up enough of your valuable time during this bowel movement of yours.

>>309835
>Frankly
as opposed to how you usually communicate?

>that sounds like insane normie cope to me. If you just don't enjoy reading fiction that's fine. But at what point are you going to draw the distinction between what is worthwhile and real versus what isn't?

at the point where i have sufficiently understood the long term consequences of the behavior. i assume you have more external ways to determine this as most people have. in this context it seems like you consider reality a quality.

>Is drawing on paper vs drawing on a computer the same thing? One some kind of 'unhealthy disconnection' and the other the only 'true reality'?

i don't think this distinction is valid in supporting your case. i have no trouble accepting digital drawings as art as long as a human made it. you might not even agree that there is a difference in what a human made vs what artificial intelligence made. my differences are more fundamental; i have trouble considering text that isn't of practical value art. i question the idea of fictional literature. i question the entire fiction aisle of the bookstore.

>Or is the only thing that matters in the end the feelings of the artist flowing into their work and creating emotion in the person that experiences their work?

experience emotion from a piece of fiction?! picture me making a disturbed face of disdain. i can't relate to this, i have been a studying wizard all my life and thus i found ways to make myself feel good naturally to the point that i consider your general approach of depending on the emotions others create in you an outdated, (forgive me for being so blunt) even an inferior and disgraceful mode of living. what you say make sense from your perspective of depending on others to be made feel good and this might be the load bearing foundation of the entire disagreement of this thread. while you are still casting your fishing line in the pond of fiction, hoping to catch an emotion, i am already self-sufficient in that regard to the point that i look at you puzzled for doing so. i have so much fish, i never need to cast the emotional fishing rod ever again. maybe this will give you a clue to why i consider fiction a waste of time. i can't "gain" emotions from it, emotions are so plentiful to me the thought of placing value on them would feel like valuing the gains of sand on the beach as if they are rare. i have infinite access to emotion.

>It sounds to me more like you are just stuck in some kind of self-imposed moral framework
i believe this to be a somewhat accurate somewhat respectable description of me which i would not have trusted you in coming up with; with the notable difference that i don't believe to be stuck, i climbed on a difficult to reach mountain far off the beaten path and it is nice here and i am convinced you'd agree if you bothered to sacrifice the vanity necessary to reach it.

>where you started making seemingly arbitrary distinctions between what is a worthwhile way to spend your time and what isn't.

what is seemingly arbitrary to the careless might be intentional and significant to the careful.

>And from the way you are describing it, it sounds like exactly the kind of normiecattle self improoovment advice you'd expect from YouTube grifters and the like.

that is not the insult that you think it is. if you don't believe in self improvement, you have just admitted that you have never improved.

>At the end of the day you and only you can and should decide what is worth your time and what isn't. Human life is short, there's no point in feeling 'guilty' for reading fiction and enjoying it when you could be studying particle physics but be miserable.

this doesn't seem like you are addressing me. this seems like you are trying to bridge a communication to parts of yourself that you are in denial about and by writing them under the guise of responding to me you can simultaneously soothe them and at the same time remain in denial about them, which is one of the fractional behaviors i worry fiction will encourage. this is why i believe in shadow work but this post is getting too long already. i wish you a nice day despite all differences, since you don't bother to, maybe your day can be improved by the well wishes of others.

>>309818
>i guess you don't know how to make yourself feel good
I do, with entertainment.
>rude. i am a legit hermit
doesnt sound to me like you are.
>it is not a waste of time.
yes it is a waste of time literally doing nothing.
>but there are things the religions point towards
they dont point at anything real or important anyway, religions are basically entertainment for the masses that gives them easy answers.
so yeah reading your jew bible is no different than playing super mario at the end of the day and its about as real.
>but if you tried optimism
things would still stay shitty, your optimistic delusions dont really affect the world in any way.
>you say use your freedom but you could just be fallen victim to habits
I have chosen entertainment because its entertaining and not boring me out.
if I wanted endless boredom I would sign up for a wagecuck job again.
>i try to make the most out of every day.
you mean you try to pretend you do. fact is it doesnt matter what shit you are tinkering, nobody will read or give a shit about what you write, your inventions are pointless and nobody cares and even if it was something actually useful normalfags would steal it from you or murder you for it, your research is also pointless and nobody gives a shit what you think you have researched. you see all these "important things" you think are important are a huge waste of time. meanwhile I dont bother with any of that and have fun.
>i try out new stuff and try not to repeat the mistakes
and yet you still ended up here with people like me who do the exact opposite so what good was this? you literally achieved nothing that anybody here or elsewhere would give a fuck about.
>learning about plants, about foods, about places, about authors, about books, about materials, about tools, about therapies, about places, countries, continents, animals, teas, herbs, soils, machines, spices.
all this shit is something you can google in 5 minutes or ask an AI about and most of this "knowledge" is useless anyway so kinda funny you rage about people enjoying entertainment and "wasting" time while you just waste your time on boring shit instead filling your head with pointless facts.
>this absence of curiosity
there is nothing I'm curious about, I already seen enough to conclude its shit anyway.
>yeah if your health is so bad
my health is very good but that doesnt matter overall anyway, at the end of your life you will die regardless and whatever garbage you stuffed your brain with will be gone forever.
so doesnt really matter if "waste" your life on entertainment or reading about plants. end results are always the same.

>>309846
>at the point where i have sufficiently understood the long term consequences of the behavior.
Which are what exactly? What are the consequences of someone coming home from their job and sitting down to read a novel or play a game for an hour or two before going to bed?

>i have trouble considering text that isn't of practical value art
I don't really get what you're saying, weird modern pseudo art like those blue squares or taped bananas excluded, the point of art isn't to be of practical value. It's a form of human expression, something that is somewhat fundamental to our (maybe not yours? lol) species going back thousands of years.

>i have been a studying wizard all my life and thus i found ways to make myself feel good naturally […]
So 'naturally' for you means inherent or self-contained within you, then? Perhaps you are legitimately divergent and good for you if you are but as someone as learned as you surely you would see that humans are an inherently social species. I mean even wizards seek out their ilk on this website and you yourself came here to discuss this topic with others. You are twisting a normal form of human interaction into something maladaptive to prop yourself up as superior. I'm not 'casting my line in the pond of fiction hoping to catch an emotion', I'm doing it to spend some time enjoying a world someone else created and a story that interests me. The underlying motivational mechanism is the same as what motivates you to do whatever it is you claim to be doing to improve yourself.

>i climbed on a difficult to reach mountain far off the beaten path and it is nice here and i am convinced you'd agree if you bothered to sacrifice the vanity necessary to reach it.
Which implies that at some point you were more similar to everyone in here and you should be able to remember back and understand what it was like instead of acting like an enlightened cyborg

>if you don't believe in self improvement, you have just admitted that you have never improved.
I don't believe in following others templates for self improvement. Those kinds of videos are just motivational masturbation for people who like to self-project into different lives where they don't have to deal with their issues anymore, escapism if you will. Improving for your own sake, in your own way means abandoning those kinds of sharlatans.

>>309840

>You THINK if someone wants to be healthy they would stop any and all fiction.

and why wouldn't i? can you come up with a good reason for why i would be wrong?

>Funnily enough,

cmon you unconscious midwit, don't drag humor's good name into the mud just because you feel like you need dramatic figgures of speech to give your words the oompf that your generic lack of arguments leave to be desired…

>listening to audiobooks or podcasts while outside is something I myself would consider "unhealthy" or at the very least suboptimal.

you have a bit a point there and i already practice what you talk about but sometimes when i am eager to listen to something, i don't feel like i should limit myself because you believe it is always better to idol worship nature sounds. especially when i am in the disgusting city with the car noise and the planes and helicopters being a nuissance it is nice to be in deep attention to an audiobook. i don't use public transport anymore but if i did, i'd hate to listen to the generic unconscious people talking and would be thankful for anything but the trivial normie noises.

>It's just falling into the trap of trying to do multiple things at once that modernity funnels everyone into, instead of being present with the sights, sounds and sensations of your life

i meditate so i believe in this and already practice this plenty. at the same time i am inventing stuff to do the exact opposite. i am currently trying to find out how many things i can juggle at the same time. how many things i can keep informing myself on, how many interests i can really have and keep making progress in each and my current pre-mature conclusion is: somewhere between 100 and 1000 things. 100 was easy, currently almost at 400 and that seems like a bit much. i expect to notice when i reach my limit and when i have to reduce though. this is me trying to learn from all my failed attempts of time management and being unable to use a calendar to create something tailored to my personal creation process.

>In that same line of thought, reading fiction and being engrossed in a story that grips you is a worthwhile experience.
it seems so flat passive and depressing to me when i even think about wasting a second on fiction when reality has done so much to me and fiction has done so little to me. fiction held me back and made me weak. fiction was the failed attempt to make an unacceptable life more palatable and in that sense it very much reminds me of alcohol. reality has empowered me, showed me that my creations are useful, rewarded me for being perceptive and curious.

>I think you are mistaking consuming fiction in general as trying to kill time when bored, as if it couldn't be a conscious way to spend your time and engage with a story.
i do consider fiction mindless occupational therapy, like beer i see it used for people to endure an unpleasant life while reality holds the key to make the life pleasant. fiction is the treatment, which endlessly prolongs by doing nothing to help, reality is the cure. what can fiction do better then reality? attracting mediocre minds by being flashy and loud i don't count.

>>309849
>they dont point at anything real or important anyway, religions are basically entertainment for the masses that gives them easy answers.

you again with the proud authoritarian pretend-certainty representing the success in disabeling your critical faculties the violence of the education system has inflicted upon you… that you use as a platform to make leaps of faith in which you pretend to understand something without doubt you know nothing about. i resent how comfortable you are in your ignorance. have some intellectual humility. i don't know much myself but it didn't took me too long to find something that prevents me from assuming your level of arrogance.

>>i guess you don't know how to make yourself feel good
>I do, with entertainment.
my estimation of the chance that you have found the spiritual wealth inside of you that all the religions try to point at, even if they do involve all the fiction of group-dynamic theater: 0%. entertainment is trash compared to just effortless feeling complete because you realize that it is your birthright and you have everything inside you to self-generate happiness. you use entertainment to fill a hole that i closed up myself. you have spiritual malnutrition and you resort to survive with prepacked survival food of entertainment. if you already felt complete, you wouldn't hope for the scraps of pleasure that fiction may or may not provide for you.

>and yet you still ended up here with people like me who do the exact opposite so what good was this?
you don't respect yourself it seems. i guess that's unimportant to you and you only care when others respect you.

>at the end of your life you will die regardless and whatever garbage you stuffed your brain with will be gone forever.
the problem with this statement is that healthy people don't see it that way so when you say
>my health is very good but that doesnt matter overall anyway,
i am inclined not to believe you. i picture you overweight. i can't know for sure but how much you struggle with holding your weight mentally to me represents a strong indication that you have the same trouble physically.

>>309850
>What are the consequences of someone coming home from their job and sitting down to read a novel or play a game for an hour or two before going to bed?

the consequences would be losing precious time in the difficult task to live a human life to the fullest and potentially accepting unacceptable conditions of a soulcrushing job that people should pay way better so you could work it way less.

what would be the consequences of you instead of numbing yourself with fiction trying to fill a hole that is bottomless you would dare to live the life of your dreams and go for what you REALly care for and master everything your inner child was curious about instead of resorting to the sad consolation price that is fiction. what if you undertook the difficult mental process of getting in touch with all the parts of you, not just the easily accessible convenient socially acceptable FICTIONAL parts of yourself that you hide behind.

>the point of art isn't to be of practical value. It's a form of human expression, something that is somewhat fundamental to our (maybe not yours? lol) species going back thousands of years.

yeah you could look at what other people have done sure why not, but not all life long. there is a superior approach to this though, which is becoming the art, making everything the art, having your entire day be the art and make new art all day every day, compose fresh sentences every chance you communicate instead of just repeating normalcy back at normal people. that's like typing every single letter yourself instead of just copy pasting default sentences. embracing individuality and leave the save limits the group wants you to assume while they are getting ready to sacrifice you as cannon fodder.

>You are twisting a normal form of human interaction into something maladaptive to prop yourself up as superior.
i consider normality to be the twist, of you not bothering to question the cruel cultural past of humanity and how it made you end up in the current gene pool and what a curse on humanity you might be by remaining unconscious in this regard.

>I'm not 'casting my line in the pond of fiction hoping to catch an emotion', I'm doing it to spend some time enjoying a world someone else created and a story that interests me.

you are looking for the world to make you happy and it doesn't work, all it does is make you unconscious. you walk through life in a walking daze.

>>309850
>I don't believe in following others templates for self improvement.

why, you believe in following others in every other regard, why when it comes to this you make an exception all of the sudden. but regardless of you pretending to care about agency when clearly it is an afterthrought to you while you repeat the "humans are a social creature" narrative, you also don't care about improvement and you don't care about self improvement. this seems like a theater production, which i can appreciate in spirit. if you want to be more independent i applaud you but i don't think you want to. you want safe numb conformity and brainrot.

>>309860
You words ring with the flacid, muffled frequency of a community college communist.

>>309836
>read the thread
No I won't read your dumb ass thread because each comment you make is absurd and a waste of time reading, making up all this bullshit and insulting other posters. The basic premise of fiction in general being mentally unhealthy for humans is so ridiculous that it's not worth spending a second reading your posts. It's a bit amusing though which is why I cared enough to respond to your reply though.

>>309859
>to understand something without doubt you know nothing about
I'm not retarded like you so it didnt take me years of research to figure out that religion is for the retarded.
>the spiritual wealth inside of you that all the religions try to point at
thats called DELUSION. also mental illness.
>to just effortless feeling complete
I do feel complete and overall I'm doing fine these days.
>you use entertainment to fill a hole
I dont have a hole to fill, I'm not a roastie subhuman.
>you have spiritual malnutrition
no I dont, I simply dont like to play pretend about shit that doesnt exist.
>you wouldn't hope for the scraps of pleasure that fiction may or may not provide for you.
its an enjoyable way of killing time thats entertaining and FUN.
also watching TV no matter how shitty beats staring at a wall watching paint dry.
>the problem with this statement is that healthy people don't see it that way
NPCs are retarded so why does that matter to me? I dont give a shit what "healthy" NPCs that also love to take endless jew vaccines up the ass think is "healthy", they know nothing.
also fact is you die and whatever shit you amassed in your useless brain is gone, this is true regardless of what NPC retards think.
>i picture you overweight.
I'm not overweight tho, its funny you have to come up with this ad hom "hurr durr ur fat". wow great rebuttal.
>how much you struggle with holding your weight mentally to me
I intellectually and logically crushed you.

>>309868
You sound like a crab.

>>309869
I dont

>>309860
>the consequences would be losing precious time in the difficult task to live a human life to the fullest and potentially accepting unacceptable conditions of a soulcrushing job that people should pay way better so you could work it way less.
That's a lot of assumptions right there. What if I have a decent job I'm content with? Why do you assume that in order to live your life to the fullest you have to spend every minute in some kind of pursuit of something? Why does even leisure need to be in pursuit of something? What if someone has a bunch of active hobbies like creating art or programming or cooking, whatever but they simply choose not to spend every waking minute doing those things.

>yeah you could look at what other people have done sure why not, but not all life long
That's not what I was saying anyways and I suspect you know that. Of course only ever being a passive consumer will probably not be an ideal way to unfold yourself and finding your calling(s). As for 'composing fresh sentences' let's not fool ourselves, there isn't really anything new under the sun. Every thought you've had is something someone else has had at some point as well. Perhaps the medium or the technology changes over time but at its core I don't believe in such a vast individuality.

>of you not bothering to question the cruel cultural past of humanity and how it made you end up in the current gene pool and what a curse on humanity you might be by remaining unconscious in this regard.
Assumptions again. Who says I don't question humanities past? I could be deeply critical of humanity's proliferation. You keep turning every argument into a straw man and I don't believe you are arguing in good faith.

>you are looking for the world to make you happy and it doesn't work, all it does is make you unconscious. you walk through life in a walking daze.
Without the world there is no you. You don't exist in a vacuum. You are the one talking about listening to music and podcasts while being out in nature, instead of simply basking in the splendor of the natural world. I don't think your argument holds much water here.

>while you repeat the "humans are a social creature" narrative
Because it is a simple biological fact of life. Unless your fundamental wiring is different, which might very well be if you are autistic or otherwise hardcore divergent, you will always be tethered to other people in some way. Whether or not that is maladaptive depends greatly on the extent of your reliance on others.

>don't care about improvement and you don't care about self improvement.
Again your straw man assumptions. I am doing fine in my life and moving along in areas I find worthwhile. You just want to paint anyone who doesn't adhere to your exact same belief system as subhuman, this entire post of yours is just self aggrandizing.

>>309865
>The basic premise of fiction in general being mentally unhealthy for humans is so ridiculous that it's not worth spending a second reading your posts.

if it really was as ridiculous as you would like it to be to preserve your comfortable unconscious ignorance, you would have no problem pointing the ridiculousness out, yet you got nothing.

>>309868
reality is like fiction except for it doesn't make you dumber and weaker, it makes you more intelligent and more able the more you learn about it. what are the benefits of fiction? it makes you feel less alone when you lie in the hospitalbed or in the assisted living facility?

>>309869
>You sound like a crab.
i think so too, like squidward from spongebob but i also appreciate that he is effortposting. if only he would start to carry his weight and say things that are interesting to others instead of blindly pasting baseless opinioins of ignorance.

>>309878
>what are the benefits of fiction?
It's fun.

>>309873
you have asked a lot of questions and you have twisted a lot of perspectives already and now intend to reach so far from the topic as to completely lose connection and i have patiently endured you going nowhere playing master debator with trying to invalidate what i have to say while i did all the heavy lifting, why don't you for once try to defend what you have to say instead of reacting to what i am saying. you seem to disagree, why is what i say so ridiculous according to you. if i am so wrong about this, what are the real world examples where i find the evidence of me being wrong already manifested and tested by time. where are these anime conventions where the majority of people are thin, healthy and happy.

>As for 'composing fresh sentences' let's not fool ourselves, there isn't really anything new under the sun.
you are two movie review videos away from saying stuff like "oof bro you know i mean bro there is nothing new under the sun bro you know i mean bro? frankly bro? honestly bro? to be honest pro i feel like you are kinda sus you know? and then i was kinda cringe". if you don't think mindlessly copypasting contemporary speech you are not only blind, you are also a liar because you would never read fiction written like that, it would repell you. this is something you are leaving on the table as an argument for fiction, why don't i do your job for you once again while you idly stand by contributing nothing once more: your heavy interest in fiction should have manifested in a supreme command of the written language or your communication ability in a broader context, yet you exhibit the generic speech pattern of complete communicational inability. your lack of care in your communication, your inability to paint a picture reflects poorly upon the fiction you are aiming to defend. should't your communicational ability be vastly superior to mine since you consume so much communication while i don't? doesn't seem to be the case.

>I don't believe you are arguing in good faith.
i believed the same of you prior to this post i am currently responding to; of course i can't completely tell which post was made by whom the same way i can't really post as how many people you are currently identifying so you could be posting in this thread as multiple personalities, as is common by the way for fiction enjoyers…

>You keep turning every argument into a straw man and I don't believe you are arguing in good faith.

maybe by insisting upon the competitive framework of argumentation or debate, which you seem to heavily rely upon in your relation to others, you are priming your perception to be selective to the point of blindness to the broadness i am struggling to contain in the inferior limited technology of language and words.

>Because it is a simple biological fact of life.
to me all this symbolizes is your distinct disability to question established narrative and go beyond what is contemporarily agreed upon. you never seem to go beyond socially established baseline, you don't question, you don't investigate yourself. you look for shortcuts in life every chance you get, so you can watch more game of thrones, meanwhile it could be equally stimulating to question something every sheeple believe in like the social dependency narrative.

something you are not realizing in doing this is when you recite normality to someone (like insiting that humans are social creatures) the other person already heard all normality has to offer. it is like a poem everybody heard already. every time you say something trivial like this you are not using your brain in assuming i have not already heard it 100 times. normality is so all-pervasive, disgraceful and repetition-based you never need to mention it because it can never be more then a annoying repetition. instead you should look for the thing that isn't a repetition. normality is so boring and generic and everybody knows it. you don't have to seek out normality, normality seeks you out. you learn it automatically by having the misfortune of being in the presence of the least gifted people, and by those i mean you, though i am appreciating your effort. also to add more insult please accept this flower as a token of disrespect because it is great fun to me to talk to tough(acting) thugs like yourself about flowers @-,–.–

>>309759
I generally agree that it is probably better to be in your own real life rather than an imagined one. I find it a leap though to condemn any and all consumption of fiction as unhealthy. Certainly, there is lots of bad fiction out there, stories created to influence their consumers and spread certain propaganda, as you say. However I think there are also plenty of fiction stories that explore certain topics in ways that are simply more approachable than if you handed someone a book about philosophical deep lore or microbiology or whatever. Maybe those books, those good kinds of fiction, are rare. In my experience as someone who does read a lot of fiction (and used to consume plenty of shows and movies, though almost none nowadays), many writers seem incompetent, malevolent or simply happy to stay on the surface level of ideas. Perhaps though it is also simply a matter of the reader not consciously thinking about the content they are reading and just absorbing it nearly passively, registering words, forming a vague idea about a chain of events into a story but not reflecting on whether it makes sense, what the author's intention was and so on. Yes, from the perspective of increasing your humanity, creating art (and I do count quality fiction as art) or synthesizing ideas is preferable to being a consumer that only regurgitates what they heard back at other people who also only regurgitate things they heard from others, and so on.
On the other hand I think it's simply a fact that many people, myself included, can't help but want to escape reality for various reasons. Personally, I am often disappointed in people and their behavior, their casual cruelties of everyday life. Reading a fictional story where people are more in line with what you would hope them to be like can be a relief. Of course this is escapism and in excess it is unhealthy. Even so, that enjoyment itself is a valid reason to engage with it. I personally don't believe that I have to try to perfect and optimize every minute of my waking life. I am not a robot or an algorithm that needs to be optimized. You have to be careful to not be pulled into passivity, since modern life tries that at every turn, but so long as I am conscious and aware of my choice to do so, fiction is simply one of the many things that add enjoyment to my life.

this video shows something i suspect to at least have a large overlap with the practice of enjoying fiction. it shows someone unfortunate who pretends to enjoy his riches completely oblivious to how bad his acting is. that is how he believes joyful people are like and in the absence of actual joy in his life, where would he get the idea that this is how people express joy? from fiction like movies and tv shows. you see what i am poking at?

you can say that this is just some prank bro acting a fool for a video but that's not what i am seeing. i am seeing an example of someone unfortunate who grew up in a fake world so distant from reality that he never experienced genuine human emotion and just mindlessly repeats what he has seen the established people on the glowing screen act out (fake emotions) to the point that the fakeness has taken the place of where his sense of genuine reality-based human expression should have been.

like truman from the truman show, so surrounded by actors at work that he never experienced genuine humanity which then obviously shows in his communication.

Ultimately fiction is empty and meaningless, at least unless you yourself are creating a work of fiction that has some sort of message. In those cases, the importance of your message and the number of people who end up seeing your art become meaningful. Someone who was driven by this would try to become a hollywood script writer or something. For most people though, it's just a means of escaping the real world.

If you hate the real world and your own life and are escaping into fantasy to cope with that it is extremely unhealthy. You would be far better off spending all your time and energy focusing on how to make your own life better. You have to know where to draw the line between fantasy and practicality in your own life as well or you can easily end up some schizoid in a fantasy state bursting in somewhere with a gun shooting up a place.

If you are a broken person you need to focus on fixing yourself first before you can do anything, especially anything grand. Sitting around imagining you are an action hero when you can't even manage basic adulting isn't helping anyone.

Your life is composed of the things you do all day. If that is just consume fiction you will look back on your life and not even remember doing anything. If doing stuff scares you and you find fiction less threatening, well yeah, it is, but it's like riding a roller coaster all day while life is out there to be lived. It's an empty experience on rails meant to simulate life. Real life will always be better provided you can actually figure out how to get good experiences out of it instead of bad ones. That takes a lot of hard work for broken people, but you're better off getting started and working on it anyway you can.

>>309878
everything about reality fucking sucks, learning more about it doesnt make it suck any less and lets be real here, you are still a dumb weak faggot even if you have interacted more with "reality". like I dont see whats fun about reality, ok you travel to africa and see useless niggers or other NPC normalfag faggots and saw a monkey. this shit is entirely useless to me.
meanwhile at least the entertainment is somewhat FUN and doesnt require you to interact with useless normalfaggot people at all.
>it makes you feel less alone
why would I want to be less alone and instead go out into reality and interact with useless normalfaggot people anyway? the worst a wizard can do is interact with reality and be useful to normalfaggots and normalfaggot society.

>>309893
>that it is extremely unhealthy.
who gives a shit whats "healthy" anyway?
>or you can easily end up some schizoid in a fantasy state bursting in somewhere with a gun shooting up a place.
oh no! not shooting up the precious normalfaggots!
lmao
>when you can't even manage basic adulting isn't helping anyone.
why would you want to help anyone to begin with?
is it really such a wet dream of normalfaggots to reform wizzies so they become "useful" to them?
>you will look back on your life and not even remember doing anything.
thats a good thing, why the fuck would I want to remember shit from my shitty life and how I had to interact with normalfags?
>how to get good experiences
entertainment provides all the good experiences you'd ever need. meanwhile reality will just be shitty as always.
but a normalfaggot like you cant understand this I bet.

>>309895
I'm glad you've unlocked the secrets of happiness wiz. Who knew it was as simple as watching a shit ton of TV?

Define reality.

>>309888
>On the other hand I think it's simply a fact that many people, myself included, can't help but want to escape reality for various reasons. Personally, I am often disappointed in people and their behavior, their casual cruelties of everyday life. Reading a fictional story where people are more in line with what you would hope them to be like can be a relief.

this very much reminds me of my younger self. i did it the same way. here is what worries me many years later: when you have this ability to take vacations of the awful reality of people¹ around you every time the discomfort you are experiencing reaches a point that you find hard to bear, how is the motivation supposed to accumulate that fuels your leap away from a place where people are like that? when you need a discomfort of 10 points to finally decide to leave but every time the discomfort reaches 8 points you open the netflix app, the fiction is essentially gatekeeping you from taking matters into your own hand and go somewhere without the discomfort. when you soothe yourself every time it happens until the next time it happens, you are training yourself into the habit of not leaving. you patiently wait to be wounded again so that you can first respond to yourself with fiction.

>Of course this is escapism and in excess it is unhealthy. Even so, that enjoyment itself is a valid reason to engage with it.

unless this enjoyment is contribnuting to the chain of events effectively shackeling you to an awful life in which you will perpetually mistreated while the potential exist for you to have a better life elsewhere.

>You have to be careful to not be pulled into passivity, since modern life tries that at every turn, but so long as I am conscious and aware of my choice to do so, fiction is simply one of the many things that add enjoyment to my life.

i do believe this is a reflection of your own successfull commitment to genuine mental health because the more directions you are venturing into, the more places you discover where it is nice. i believe constantly being on the lookout for new things and not becoming the creature of habit is one thing middleaged people foolishly stop doing as they develop their routines that are destined to trap them in repetition.

¹ at this point i would like to casually point out all these people have a thing in common: they were forced to particpate in mass 'education'

>>309915
>you patiently wait to be wounded again so that you can first respond to yourself with fiction.

That is most likely the default and how I used games, media and so on for a long time. But eventually these things simply stopped being as engaging, the habits sort of dissolved slowly but mostly on their own and I found myself simply being "stuck" with whatever unpleasant emotions I was feeling. I still wouldn't consider myself as having fully arrived in my own life, fully feeling everything at all times. But the urge towards escapism is at an all time low for me at this point. Starting up a show or game has become a bother, the only thing I still do daily is read books before going to sleep at night.

>i believe constantly being on the lookout for new things and not becoming the creature of habit is one thing middleaged people foolishly stop doing as they develop their routines that are destined to trap them in repetition.

It does seem like repetition keeps you more easily stuck in ruts, increases the speed at which your life passes you by and probably also reduces your emotional capacity in some way. Predictability and safety definitely have their place in life, I personally prefer that too since I am pretty neurotic by nature. Everyone's capacity and frequency for venturing towards your boundaries and out of them will vary with each individual.

>they were forced to particpate in mass 'education'
So was I. But I had a bit of an "awakening" after a couple of health scares and been constantly reevaluating my life ever since.

>>309893

>Ultimately fiction is empty and meaningless, at least unless you yourself are creating a work of fiction that has some sort of message.

i wonder if creating fiction even though it is an creative act amounts to nothing more then a waste of time AND potentially the waste of the time of someone else or more people. when trying to make the case for fiction the only thing i can think of the give it some merrit is that fiction much like a dream can be a cutionary tale. when i take as an example the first or the first 3 matrix movies, they do paint a picture of the dangers of overreliance of technology that i am sure contributed to a few people question whether the relentless uncritical tech agenda could lead to a dystopian future. i personally believe matrix tried to warn people in a more innocent time how guilty technology was about to become. at the same time i wonder if a movie like that could even accellerate the problems into existence that they try to warn about because they could give the wrong people ideas that they themselves would not be able to come up with. i would have been cautious with technology regardless of the existence of the movie matrix but maybe some people learned a thing or two about how to use machines to further enslave humanity, which of course is what is happening now.

meanwhile my understanding of fiction might be so outdated that it does not even match the consumption habits of modern entertainment enjoyers. while i still picture 90 minute movies that are watched by people patiently and attentively, another potential reality (which i have recently heard examples of described) could be that young consumers of entertainment just frantically watch 5 minutes of every movie on netflix before they get bored and click on the next. my own consumption habits which were formed in a time before internet video might be warping reality to the point that i imagine a reality that does not exist which i am trying to investigate critically, thus making it fiction(!) thus falling in the trap i am trying not to step in.

another similar example i can think of is the movie terminator 2, which i had to watch when i was very young on VHS cassette while my unintelligent mother arranged one of her retarded playdates with an aggressive kid i would have never chosen to spend time with when i was maybe 5 years old. the movie was so aggressive that it fucked me up for a while, i could feel the trauma it created in me, i am sensitive like that. to me this was just pure nightmarefuel. i didn't want to watch this shit, i wanted to play and explore the world, this little retard child just wanted violence.

>>309894
>everything about reality fucking sucks, learning more about it doesnt make it suck any less and lets be real here,
regardless whether it was bad lock or your own stupidity, i understand how a life can be so unbearable that it would lead you to believe this to be true but insisting on this does nothing to help your situation and you are wasting your short human life flailing your arms throwing this tantrum.

>you are still a dumb weak faggot even if you have interacted more with "reality".
experts agree i am the pinncale of human existence, all men try to be me and all the succubi want a piece. how can i be weak, i am trying to advocate for enduring the hell that human life has the potential to be without fleeing from it so that you can improve your lifesituation to the point it is no longer hell. you and the other disgracefully seduced consumer demons advocate for pretending life was something else while your more unconscious parts can not be fooled by your arrogance. only the most shallow parts of you can be fooled while there is always this deeper primal part in the back of your mental orchestra not having any of your stupid lies.

>like I dont see whats fun about reality, ok you travel to africa and see useless niggers or other NPC normalfag faggots and saw a monkey. this shit is entirely useless to me.
might be the case that in your sedation journey of disability you have grown so used to not being the driving force in your own life that you are oblivious to what could possibly be wrong with measuring other people's dreams against your own life. you are doing it wrong, you have to find out what your personal africa is and live it, not browse through the life of other people and pick one. i imagine you being made so dumb browsing through thumbnails in netflix that you try to browse through other lives and dreams of other people with the same absent-minded consumer daze.

>meanwhile at least the entertainment is somewhat FUN and doesnt require you to interact with useless normalfaggot people at all.

i'm the last person trying to advocate for interaction with people. i'd rather hang out with monkeys myself or (in the unfortunate absence of monkeys) sit in the park in the presence of birds and squirells under the trees. you have to find stuff that you like in reality so you don't live in fakeness all the time. doesn't matter what that is. furniture building is another thing i really like because it allowed me to make the little room i live in so much more practical, which is something i really enjoyed in video games but hated about reality.

>why would I want to be less alone and instead go out into reality and interact with useless normalfaggot people anyway?

i don't know, i am just pleasantly surprised you are questinoning what you want, i judge that as a sign of blooming mental health. here fake tough guy, have this flower of disrespect and also i call you my beautiful rose and blow you a kiss @–.—,—

>the worst a wizard can do is interact with reality and be useful to normalfaggots and normalfaggot society.
i guess but as you age you find ways to do it skillfully and it becomes less awful, i hope your addiction to fiction is not standing in the way of you bothering to develop these skills.

>>309895
>who gives a shit whats "healthy" anyway?

every single person who has bothered to see for himself and bothered to compare the difference. you can tell who is not speaking from by experience by who repeats the pretty-corpse-narrative.

also bitch don't post in the "i hate my body so much, it is such torture to be trapped in this ugly sick vessel"-thread² and then come here with the tears still in your eyes acting health isn't shit. health is everything and all your personalities except for the obnoxious loud ones you have decided to bring into this thread agree.

²https://wizchan.org/dep/res/309621.html

>>309895
>thats a good thing, why the fuck would I want to remember shit from my shitty life and how I had to interact with normalfags?

i'm surprized to agree with you once more tough guy. remembering the horror of your life in great detail might allow you draw conclusions from it but repeating it over and over in your mind, psychologically holding on to them might be the worst option available, given you have successfully given your best effort trying to prevent similar horror in the future, repeating them might only increase the load you have to carry while contributing nothing to you.

thoughts are nervous-system activity, which are electricity. i have listen to lectures of someone who has studied the electrical systems of the human body and dudeman said that negative emotions of trauma is saved in the body as electrical fields in one of the human circuits. the dude has identified somewhere around 10 circuits in the human body, all consisting of different organs and electrically conductive tissue and muscles. this disturbance of the eletrical field changes the ph value, this ph value changes the amount of oxygen in the cells, this changed amount of oxygen lets the critters that are already inside your cells wake from their sleep as they begin to eat you from the inside up, worsening your entire health on a microscopic level in the process. if anyone wants to see them, i made mp4 clips from this lecture i can upload.

>>309897
>I'm glad you've unlocked the secrets of happiness wiz. Who knew it was as simple as watching a shit ton of TV?

the dude probably has a folder of spongebob episodes on his pc for every kind of problem and if shit hits the fan while everyone else panics, he doesn't hesistate, he just quickly doubleclicks the video file and find out how this problem has been dealt with in bikini bottom while he sits there in full attention holding a notepad and a pencil.

>>309897
>the secrets of happiness
"happiness" doesnt exist, its just the absence of direct problems and as soon as any of these enters your life and disturbs your peace your "happiness" is gone, possibly forever.
>>309919
>and you are wasting your short human life
life has no value to begin with so there is nothing to "waste".
once you understand this the rest of your shitty post falls apart and crumbles into dust.
>you have to find out what your personal africa is
I dont have one and have no need for one.
>you have to find stuff that you like in reality
there is nothing to like about reality and unfortunately I'm not dumb enough like you so cant delude myself into thinking otherwise.
>and it becomes less awful
no it doesnt, things become more awful over time. you are probably too young to have noticed. dont worry kid, you'll see it soon yourself.
>>309920
>to compare the difference
no matter how healthy you are you will die anyway and your body rots just the same as someone who wasnt "healthy" so makes no difference at the end.
also all your shit ends up in a landfill together with that other idiots self made furniture anyway.
>also bitch don't post in the "i hate my body so much, it is such torture to be trapped in this ugly sick vessel"-thread
never even posted in this thread and looks like I already live rent free in your head.
>>309921
>i have listen to lectures of someone
I dont care about your pseudoscience bullshit.
>>309922
you sure sound butthurt

>>309927
>no matter how healthy you are you will die anyway and your body rots just the same as someone who wasnt "healthy" so makes no difference at the end.

yeah that's just the generic pretty corpse narrative, that's supposed to make it seem like the condition of your body was something you have chosen.

>>309927
>never even posted in this thread

you would say the same if you did because honesty to you is just something that will end up in a landfil. you say that you live rentfree in other people's head but those heads will end up in a landfill so you are wasting your time in pointing them out.

despite walking the path of improvement i still loosly watch politics and news occasionally despite it contributing very little to my life and one thing i could say about it is that it is such disgraceful spectacle that it begs the question why to even watch fiction when reality is similarly over the top to fiction. but much of this 'reality' very likely is nothing but coordinated theater so it isn't even similar to fiction, it is fiction largely.

there is still a meaningful difference i thought of clearly distinguishing fiction and politics. in fiction you know it isn't real, in politics you don't know how real it is and you constantly have to attach reality-propability-percentages to everything and constantly make if-this-is-true-then-… relations with everything. this gets so complicated so quick that this alone turns it into another genre of information, this kind of turns it into a chore to follow politics. fiction is effortless in that regard.

what i don't understand about fiction is why does there have to be drama and villains. why does scrubs has to have the janitor bullying the protagonist? it is awful enough that there are evil people in reality, why does fiction has to have evil as well. i have heard an argument that i don't believe in being mentioned in this context that states: if a movie doesn't have a villain then it would be boring, there needs to be tension and trauma and this shit and i couldn't disagree more. they probably just do this to appease females, who only care about violence.

give me the boring movies where people are just happy together and have a nice day and nothing evil happens to them and they just get to be a happy human for 90 minutes and i might just turn around and start to enjoy fiction i say! why can't i have that? i am not interested in your thriller, there is enough thriller in reality. why aren't there movies with these complete unrealistic females who are beautiful and not assholes and nothing bad happens and they go dancing and nobody gets kidnapped, blackmailed or detained. things going smoothly is not boring, it would be mesmerizing to me. maybe it is because much of fiction is propaganda and as thus has to feel like torture to the soul because torture is the framework that enables passive income for the few…

>>309931
>why does fiction has to have evil as well

this reminds me of a meme picture i encountered where it was explained that the american version "power rangers" of a japanese show i forgot the name of had these two idiot bullies named "bulk and skulk" added that were not in the original japanese version.

and the meme pointed this out that for the western market they had to add bullies otherwise it wouldn't make sense to the western audience. if i find it later i will attach it and link to this post.

>>309928
concession accepted
>>309929
>that's supposed to make it seem
I'm just pointing out objective reality. it doesnt make a difference if your meaningless life ends at 20, at 30 ot at 80 and no matter what you fill that time with, it changes nothing overall.
>>309930
>you would say the same if you did
no I wouldnt.
>honesty to you is just something that will end up in a landfil
honesty is not a material thing so no it wouldnt go into a landfil.

>>309931
>why does scrubs has to have the janitor bullying the protagonist?
In the pilot, J.D. puts a penny into a door, apparently damaging/breaking it, and the Janitor blames him. That tiny incident becomes the foundation for this absurdly long running grudge.

>>309935
>That tiny incident becomes the foundation for this absurdly long running grudge.

that's how it ended up unfolding, i imagine the writers of the show sitting around a table saying stuff like "we really need some kind of asshole being mean to the characters" and then the janitor was just the best idea to fill this role. i still think they should have leaned more into comedy but they insisted upon adding all this sobering stuff while life is already plenty sober.

>>309934
>doesnt make a difference if your meaningless life ends at 20, at 30 ot at 80 and no matter what you fill that time with, it changes nothing overall.

you don't seem to be able to get over the fact that human life is finite, you seem to get hung up on that a lot. maybe you were particularly infantilized by your parents and kept in the dark about mortality too long. some kids believed in santa clauss a little too hard…

>>309937
stop building strawmen.
I never said mortality was a problem or that long lives add meaning, I said it doesn't change the outcome.
the result is always zero.
whether you reach zero at 30 or 90 via spiritual growth or video games the math stays exactly the same.
you are essentially running a marathon on a treadmill you think you are going somewhere but you havent actually moved an inch.

>>309938
I don't get why you feel like the end result of you dying is what is important here. There are a bunch of intermediary results before you get to that point. It's called life. Nothing matters in an objective sense, meaning and mattering is only created by people and of course what will matter most to someone is your own life. Once you are dead it no longer matters, but up until that point how you live sure as hell will matter to you.

>>309940
>how you live sure as hell will matter to you
thanks captn obvious.
yes my brain perceives sensations during its lifespan but thinking those sensations matter is an optional hallucination.
normalfags spend their lives deluding themselves and "working hard" to create meaning only to realize they were just running on a hamster wheel.
I chose to skip that wheel so I went straight to the reward, pure entertainment without the unnecessary normalshit struggle.

>>309931
>if a movie doesn't have a villain then it would be boring, there needs to be tension and trauma and this shit and i couldn't disagree more.
Same here. I get it for action movies and what not I suppose. But even then you could just as well create a narrative where the environment naturally acts against the MC and that creates the tension. Perfect Days is one of my favorite movies exactly because it does away with all of that. It's just a guy going about his daily life, nothing particularly bad or dramatic happening, just simple human things. Being left to do a work shift alone, meeting a random person on the shore who divulges their life and regrets to you, sitting in a laundromat and reading a book. Nothing really happens but it still draws you in.

>>309938
>I never said mortality was a problem or that long lives add meaning, I said it doesn't change the outcome.

you didn't have to.

>whether you reach zero at 30 or 90 via spiritual growth or video games the math stays exactly the same.

you insist that this is a fact but there is more to it. that is one of millions of possible facts that you could have said, yet you chose this particular fact. it reveals your perspective that you foolishly think you can hide.

you behave like a child obsessed with pokemon, talking about little else and then when another kid wonders why you are obsessed with pokemon, you reply that the other kid is building strawpokemon because you never said that you were obsessed with pokemon and that it is a fact that his name is pikachu.

>you are essentially running a marathon on a treadmill you think you are going somewhere but you havent actually moved an inch.

as always you say a lot but your basic message is always the same just manifesting in different words: your life is not worth living and because yours isn't, you think nobody's life is. the thought that you may have failed is too much for you to bear.

>>309941
>I chose to skip that wheel so I went straight to the reward, pure entertainment without the unnecessary normalshit struggle.

the eagerness with which you try to repeat your nihilism does not match how undesriable and effortlessly available what you are trying to establish is. nobody is looking up to squidward and wonders how he achieved this difficult and impossible task to be this pessimistic and dead inside. solving a puzzle with 4 pieces is easy to most people so talking about it to others is not as fascinating as you in your struggle for attention and recognition would hope. pessimism is easy and boring, you wont find many subscribers (which of course you will insist you don't care about. you would do anything to prove that you have nothing to prove.)

what you are trying to do despite being in denial so much is obvious. if you were interested in more things instead of insisting everything is pointless and doomed, you would have more things to talk about and you would have more to offer to other people. it would result in you being able to carry your weight and not always feel like you are talking uphill, people would be genuinely interested in listening to you instead of considering it a chore. your entire reason for needing respect, hierarchy and pretense would evaporate and you could finally stop acting like a soldier that fights for nothing.

>>309943
>Perfect Days is one of my favorite movies exactly because it does away with all of that. It's just a guy going about his daily life, nothing particularly bad or dramatic happening, just simple human things. Being left to do a work shift alone, meeting a random person on the shore who divulges their life and regrets to you, sitting in a laundromat and reading a book.

interesting, seems like a movie where the guy who builds these metalwire nightmare tension-building horrormovie instruments wasn't getting paid for. sad for him, he must have had to miss out on the latest handsmithed artisan penis-cages the month the movie was made and all the other trash people in the movie industry made fun of him for not wearing the latest model.

that's how i imagine people inside the movie industry are like. just a big club of weird people making "art" that for some reason they can live off even though they are not contribting to humanity. others build roads or construct houses…

>>309941
normalfags don't work hard so that when they die something magical will happen. They do it because they want a house and a wife and kids and all that shit. This is all driven by basic instinct. Getting that shit makes them feel good. They are just motivated by the feel good juices, same as you are. The act of watching fantasy or fiction simply simulates the experiences of getting those things, but it is just a simulation and therefore a pale imitation. It will never release as many feel good juices as the real thing.

If you're really just trying to experience euphoria, just do drugs. Or better yet get a surgical implant to directly stimulate the reward center of your brain. Then you can die in ecstasy having achieved your goal.

>>309951

>If you're really just trying to experience euphoria, just do drugs. Or better yet get a surgical implant to directly stimulate the reward center of your brain. Then you can die in ecstasy having achieved your goal.

you don't need outside help to feel good as a human, it is built-in. my guess is you were just bullied, shamed, tortured, abused and/or punished every time you were about to empower yourself so you ended up never looking inside.

the moment you 'successfully' meditate and feel that self-generated bliss exists for anyone who is genuinely looking for it, you will understand that technically you can never be rewarded, it is just something you play along politely and never question. the concept of reward can only makes sense within depression.

>>309945
>you wont find many subscribers
>people would be genuinely interested in listening to you
ah there it is. the mask finally slipped and you just couldnt keep yourself from projecting.
all this talk about spiritual wealth, nature, and the pinnacle of existence and at the end of the day all you actually care about is having an audience.
you’re a performer, a normalfag.
you need people to watch your little woodworking circus and listen to your herb stories because without their attention you have no idea if your life actually has value.
that makes you a normie through and through.
>in your struggle for attention and recognition
more projecting from the normalfag, lmao just look at you.
you are writing novels on a board populated by virgins and shut ins desperately trying to convince us that your "meaningful" life is better than my easy wizardly one.
>it would result in you being able to carry your weight and not always feel like you are talking uphill
carrying weight is exactly what a normalfag does.
you spend your whole life carrying the weight of expectations, socializing, learning, tinkering, striving all so you can feel useful to normalfaggots. I have no need for this crap.
your "uphill" climb is just an exhausting loop of unnecessary normalfaggot effort for me.

and all your posts reeks of Normalfag and you think my life is boring because there isn't a hierarchy or respect to chase.
but thats exactly why I dont have to struggle.
I don't need anyone to be "interested" in what I do.
I don't need to carry my weight.
most importantly I dont want to end up like you.

>>309964
oh here comes master debater again accusing others of the things you are guilty of, once more eagerly seeking conflict, once more contributing nothing to the thread

humans will pour in significant amounts of time and energy just to prove they're right about some pointless debate with an online stranger, just because they no longer have violent avenues to prove they're the alpha male of the tribe.

i already mentioned politics before which is largely fiction. similarly conspiracy theories are something where it is not necessarily immediately clear what is fact and what is fiction. in a way, being an enjoyer of fiction should leave someone with the least ability to determine truth.

in fiction everything is so easy and the consumer already knows something isn't true and thus never have to make use the more modern brain-hardware that works so hard trying to make sense of what is true and what isn't. enjoying fiction nudges the consumer into being a group minion who doesn't think for himself and instead just believes whatever superiors and official sources are telling, which together with advertisement and education i believe to be the biggest contributor in people being tricked into fighting against their own best interest for centuries. fiction does nothing to break from this century-old curse. it does not inspire people to question, it gets people used to take things at face value.

on a related note i think it trains people to disregard automatically the opinions which are officially branded as misinformation. what were the people doing during covid? when they were forced to stay at home because some aggressive idiots pretended that there was a dangerous disease that turned out not to be dangerous at all. were they trying to find out what is true and what is false or did they obey the command of the technocratic empire not to do their own research?

fiction and the reduced brain-activity it is accompanied by might help nudge people into letting officials decide for them what not to be critical about, simply by letting others decide for them what fiction is and what isn't. could fiction enjoyers be the worst offenders in this: the people who to this day have not understood that covid was a coordinated military attack on what little remains of the people's freedom to advance the oppresive surveilance control grid aiming to turn citizens into neo-feudal cattle inmates without rights? i think so. i think there is a large overlap of the people who behaved like monsters since covid and they are now trapped in having to perpetuate a reality that the evidence no longer supports thus making it fiction, which i imagine to be psychological torture and schizophrenia-inducing to those poor children who don't understand that there are negative mental health consequences when living in perpetual denial because it fragments the orchestra. playing dumb has dreadful consequences.

>>309982
Fiction is a result of the ability to imagine what isn't. Reality is what is. So when you blindly indulge in reality you can't question anything.

>>309984
>So when you blindly indulge in reality you can't question anything.

i don't see reason to believe reality could be an indulgence. when i imagine the worst corrupt scum establishment mouthpiece like rachel madow insisting that the experimental for-profit covid gene therapy was safe and effective, she does so because she gets paid to say this and/or because she blackmailed into it. for her in her situation, reality would be an indulgence. but outside of corruption and evil, i don't see it.

and why can't you question things without fiction, because you are addicted to fiction and have to resort to it every 5 minutes like a phone addict, otherwise you scream because reality is so unbearable for your more louder personality-fragments?

>>309984
i see this as just more communication in bad-faith happening in this thread. the necessary discomfort with this particular topic however can't drown out the loud absence of any valid ideas that would defend fiction as anything other then irresponsibility.

>>309970
>of the things you are guilty of,
this is literally just you projecting again.
go be a normalfag somewhere else, this board is not for normalfags.

>>309985
Wtf are you even talking about you make absolutely no sense.

thought of a tiny detail i'd like to add to the mountain of ideas that is accumulating against this unhealthy vice of fiction, which even though i gave it every opportunity to be defended starts to look like a puddle of tears to me.

a guy who meditates i believe will be infinite times more interesting then a guy who watches popular contemporary fiction. doesn't that mean it is better not to watch the popular slop? fiction seems to me like fast food. it is designed to seduce you but even though you pay for it with your most precious currency (time that is), it still puts you at a disadvantage and you would be better of eating real food. real food i believe to be living an actual human life in physical reality.

>>309982
Politics are the opposite of fiction, it's just that there are so many people who treat it as if it is fiction these days I can see why you might think otherwise.

>>310082
>Politics are the opposite of fiction

i think you are missing the bigger picture here. democracy is a theater play. rich people have henchmen and they make the rules for everyone else. if you break them, they inflict violence upon you, even when you don't break any rules, they will still inflict violence upon you. because this sucks for everyone else, the rich people have paid another class of henchmen to pretend that everyone else is actually involved in the process of making rules for everyone else, even though this is not true. there are those who believe this theater play (you) and then there are other people who don't believe it (me) and the henchmen keep lists about people like me to make sure to violate me extra hard.

you don't seem to be aware of that, which makes me question your intelligence. what makes you believe this is a democracy is that you are either one of the henchmen and you are doing theater (fiction) right now with me or you have been trained to think so little that the theater was enough to convince you and you never grew suspicious and you can generally be summarized as a teacher's pet.

i can't even play videogames anymore. i play video games since the first gameboy. i start a game and then it just stopps mattering to me so hard that i can't pretend to care about it. i rather just stare at the wall listening to the birds or the rain.