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 No.310062

anyone here into studying carl jung by any chance? there is a lot i find fascinating about him but what impressed me the most is that he condensed his mental health strategy into a single word: integtation. implied in this is that each person has unconscious parts and by making those unconscious parts conscious, they no longer sabotage.

to me this is amazing and ballsey. i image most other mental health practitioners would not give you a one word answer to the question of how to have a healthy mind. i image they'd say that this is impossible to answer and that it depends and that an expert is needed.

 No.310063

>>310062
-_- misspelled it. his one word answer was 'integration'.

 No.310064

I mean, conceptually it seems logical, but like all if this psychology shit, it falls apart in practice. How do you "integrate" your subconscious, your shadow, become an "individual"? Jung never really made that super clear, it all vague wishy washy shit that can map unto anything. Why is the succubus cheating on her husband? Oh well she's trying to find herself and integrate her shadow of course! If the said husband is hurt by this then well, he's got an unexplored and neglected anima!

Give me an explicit, unambiguous algorithm for "integration" that we can empirically test and even try out on ourselves and then we can talk. Until then it's just fairy dust bullshit.

 No.310065

Just like wizards above, I never got the "integration" thing

 No.310066

Just like wizards above, I never got the "integration" thing

 No.310067

Yes I've gotten very into him in the past couple years. Active imagination has been the most useful psychological thing I've done.

>>310064
There is no general rule because it depends on individuals. Things like ethnicity, culture, familial background impacts the specifics. As an actual technique the most effective one is active imagination.

The essential thing is just having those situations where you can encounter the unconscious content so you can actually engage with it and come into proper relation with it. Historically this would have been through things like local folk practices and religious rituals, and cultural practices generally. Jung's idea is that the human psyche has things which express those ethnic/religious ideas (archetypes) and that because we are alienated from the traditional means there isn't actually a great vehicle for doing it. He attempts to provide a way for people to do it on their own stuff like:
>Oh well she's trying to find herself and integrate her shadow of course! If the said husband is hurt by this then well, he's got an unexplored and neglected anima!
Largely comes from people trying to simplify it or make it accessible, ultimately you are the only one who can ensure your relation to those complexes is harmonious. There are many ways it can go wrong, inflation because you identify with the unconcious or collective conciousness. Possession by the archetype and having your ego sort of shadowed over by it. Projecting it onto things around you (the most obvious thing for this is succubi liking abusive/domineering men because that's a vehicle for animus projection, and men liking attention whore succubi because they are a vehicle for anima projection)
The opposite is also the case, the butch dyke identifying with her animus, or the fag/tranny identifying with their anima.

The whole idea is these things are at work in us anyway and by getting a clearer relationship with it rather then it just harvesting your energy you can have a proper relationship with it and see how it effects you.

A very simple practical thing can kind of be seen through the popularization of jung through the psychological type stuff. Your inferior function in mbti (or just the opposite of your dominant function in more standard jungian stuff ie if you are the introverted thinking type (extroverted feeling)) is the sort of hinge point of your relation to the unconscious. For you that mode of perception/relation to reality is imbued with the rest of the unconcious so in attempting to engage with that you are digging up all of the other unconcious stuff which is why that sort of thing drives peoples lives.

Active imagination is basically entering a sort of imaginary/semi-psychotic state where you are engaging with these complexes directly. It's actually fairly similar to tuplamancy but instead of attempting to construct one you are allowing your unconcious to manifest without controlling it so you can talk to it directly.

 No.310076

>>310064

>I mean, conceptually it seems logical, but like all if this psychology shit, it falls apart in practice.


you could have taken responsibility and said "i don't know how" but instead you have chosen to make it a theater production and the more unconscious you are, the more you feel the urge to frame reality in terms that would imply that you can not be at fault for it. that immediately jumped at me. even on a somewhat anonymous website you don't feel comfortable being vulnerable. the voice in your head that said "wait no, lets write it in a way where it doesn't sound like i did something wrong!" i believe to be your unconscious.

>How do you "integrate" your subconscious, your shadow, become an "individual"? Jung never really made that super clear, it all vague wishy washy shit that can map unto anything.


-_- well it's a process that takes time, effort and present-mindedness. you keep learning about it, fiding out new details, wondering how it could make sense. you try to find out what the part that takes control of you is trying to tell you. you are asking for a pill, for a code that you just have to execute, you are asking for someone to do the thinking for you instead of walking as far and as fast as your own thoughts can carry you.

there is something inside you, heavily suppressed by education, normality, culture, fear and all kinds of other social mechanisms of violence and you are trying to find out what it tries to tell you. one way the the subconscious tries to communicate with you is through dreams so one part of it is to make a dream journal. i use a simple open source notepad app on the phone were i just have to write the end of the filename and hit a button and it is saved in a folder of my choice.

>Why is the succubus cheating on her husband? Oh well she's trying to find herself and integrate her shadow of course! If the said husband is hurt by this then well, he's got an unexplored and neglected anima!


anything can be made to sound stupid.

>Give me an explicit, unambiguous algorithm for "integration" that we can empirically test and even try out on ourselves and then we can talk. Until then it's just fairy dust bullshit.


or you just try to handle ambigity and find your own way without being rude and entitled

 No.310077

>>310067
>Yes I've gotten very into him in the past couple years. Active imagination has been the most useful psychological thing I've done.

i'm reading Memories, Dreams, Reflections and i am almost at the point where he talks about it for the first time, looking forward to it, the book has been amazing so far. i'm still at the part where he talks about how freud was worried about losing respect. freud the fraud.



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