/dep/ - Depression

>>302319
Agree with both things you mentioned. It's definitely hard to listen to happy music when you have no particular reason to do so, but it helps.

I'll add:
>Having a tasty meal
>Buying stuff you want
Both only work short term though

also
>Alcohol
It works but I guess it does the opposite in the long term. The combination of alcohol and music I like does it especially, it's the only thing I look forward to while wageslaving

You shouldn't minimize reality

people kept saying i have a life ahead of me
i already knew i'd end up here by age 16 and here i am 21

>>302332
this

Try drugs, like ketamine, that works for depression.

>>302344
Cheater. Wait till you're 30

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>>302319
>What are some things you wizs do to minimize depression?


backgound music AKA muzak

small funny pulsating night lamp may help me

do not eat "comfort food" every day! My mom did a mistake feeding me fat tasty stuff every day, profusely rioting against my dietary preferences. I have noticed eating less of her cool stuff and eating more practical stuff is ebin.

>>302319
In my experience, crying also helps to release sadness, or even to try to let out the trapped emotion in my chest. After that, I'm tired and sleep for about half an hour. It's fairly effective, if you ask me.

>>302319
Sleeping helps. Of course, it's major avoidance but my bed is pretty much the only place on this world where I don't feel any sort of negative emotion. Stress, anxiety, sadness, it all melts away once I am under the covers and have closed my eyes. I have even begun enjoying the feeling of drifting in and out of consciousness when I set short alarms for afternoon naps and keep snoozing, like surfing the tide of unreality. Dreams are also usually the only place I actually feel positive emotion and when I do it tends to linger and keep me going for some part of the day after.
I think this strategy only works if you've trained your brain to associate your bed only with sleeping though. I've never been someone who spends any waking time in bed to read or consume content or whatever, so my physiological reaction is pretty robust.

>>303386
>Sleeping helps. Of course, it's major avoidance but my bed is pretty much the only place on this world where I don't feel any sort of negative emotion. Stress, anxiety, sadness, it all melts away once I am under the covers and have closed my eyes.

JEALOUS!!!

I can't fall asleep until some specific conditions (not too hot, not too bright yet not too dark) are met due to being both too fat and too large

The only thing I've found works recently is escapism. I've been watching a lot of movies and playing games where I can really immerse myself in the story like good CRPGs or challenging games like romhacks. It's a delicate balance though because I suck at games so playing something too hard will just make me feel worse.

I used to have other hobbies that helped (different types of exercise) but I've grown to just hate them all. It's a negative feedback loop because now I'm fat and out of shape so thinking about doing those things again just makes me sad because I suck so much.

>>302319
not fapping

>>302319
I take noopept (Russian anti dementia nootropic) everyday for a month at a time.

>>303536
and? Did it help? Any noticeable effects?

>>303386
>>303391

>I can't fall asleep until some specific conditions (not too hot, not too bright yet not too dark) are met due to being both too fat and too large

It happened this night! Woke up at 4 AM…
JEALOUS!!!


(side note: a tape recorded to mumble thoughs + a large, HUGE pillow)

Go fuck yourself.

>>303536
Don’t waste your brain on that unverified junk>>302319

>>302332
Everyone's perspective is biased and distorted anyway. We inevitably minimize reality no matter what we do. People here who don't actively try to make themselves optimistic still minimize reality by distracting and detaching.
It's not like anyone here just sits with their thoughts about how horrible every aspect of the world and their life is and does nothing else. They might have that as a background all of the time but they are still engaging in various activities to make it more bearable than just say lying in their bed with their eyes shut or staring at the ceiling the entire time.

I've been at points where attempting to make myself feel better just backfires because it felt too disgusting and incongruous to buy into anything that felt like delusion.
But in general I prefer being able to feel happy and optimistic for brief periods if it's at all possible.

>>304805
You need fact checked and peer reviewed studies or what?

I've made baby steps in feeling better by accepting reality I can't control. It used to burden my mind constantly about the collapse of my country, all of our countries. Now I just put more effort into my personal problems instead. Helps a little bit, it's no magic cure though

>>304836
not him, yet… YAS

>>302319
>>302319
>I know this is a meme, but taking a shower can completely turn my mood around and make my worries go away,

It's true. A shower doesn't just cleanse your body , but it cleanses your bad vibes too. it's as if it could cleanse your soul somehow

Food is the only thing that works for me, it staves off the feelings of emptiness for an hour or so.

You may want to tune out your algorithms so they don't lead you to hours of doomscrolling.
Other than that the normie strategies of going to sleep early, exercise, eating well and shit help.

Saw a workbook online called Cognitive Behavioural Workbook for Depression online and decided to order it. Will report in a couple of months if it helps.
>inb4 nobody gives a fuck
I will post anyway.
Anyway, most of behavioural stuff is basic bitch advice but it explained in such ways that it makes it easier for me to approach.
Some nuggets so far:
>Sadness is not depression, a normal emotion, a bittersweet one in fact
I feel blue sometimes but it's normal to feel blue. I try to differentiate blues from apathy.
>Action is the best medicine for depression
We all hear "just lift weights bruh" but it's not the only cure for depression. It's a very effective cure, but before that you need to build up your window of tolerance. I decided to start small. I'll go out and walk my dog in park early in the morning or late in the evening when nobody's around. I also want to read more new books and go back to fingerboarding. Fingerboarding is a good hobby because
>Sensory novelty is a good example of behavioural activation
Basically, engaging your senses. Basic stuff like trying a tasty tea or lying down on fresh bedsheets.
Another one
>Novelty helps
If you don't know what to do, try something brand new that you never tried before.
It wouldn't help wizbros with prodound severe depression, but in my case it works. I'm so busy trying new things, I don't have time for feeling blue! And when I start having depressive thoughts, I'll try the cognitive part of the program. Unfortunately, the cognitive part sounds like complete bollocks. I don't know how challenging your negative thoughts could help if they are true. Well, even if I can feel at least 1% better, I'll try to do behavioural activation.

>>302319
My greatest source of depression aside from the shit life and health I created is my inability to take action and clutter that results from it.
In a way the layers upon layers of dust on everything I own represents me.

Lately I've been doing extremely minor stuff on impulse, that arguably wasn't beneficial, but it gave me an insane mental boost.

>minor cleaning
Like dusting, vacuuming, making my bed, putting my clothes away in my wardrobe properly.
Before I had 2 months worth of dust (clumps of stuff, and food stuffs) and random garbage sometimes on my floor.
Had my clothes freshly washed thrown on the floor in a pile next to the used pile.
Last time I changed my sheets was idk maybe in summer.

It really helped, even if it was extremely minor.
Every step, vacuuming, dusting, etc. took me like a whole day to do. I didn't do anything else that day. They were my days off work.
Even though my room is only 2.5m x 5m.
But each day I did something minor like that it felt heavenly and filled with energy.

>throwing stuff away
I guess it's part of clearing clutter. I just threw away 2 bags of clothes I never wear, random gadgets and general junk.
Sure I could have gave it away, but most wasn't worth giving to a second hand store either way. Don't have that much energy from a spark of impulse either.

>sorting things
Like socks, underwear, cards, cables, papers.

>digital hoard clearing
I'm a major digital hoarder 35k bookmarks, several TB (345k~ individual files) of RANDOM files in thousands (9.8k) of subfolders I saved over the years.
Unbrowsable. I reckon if I learn to let go of it and clear it up I'll be relieved. Just deleting a random couple100 gigs of god knows what and 1k bookmark folder felt divine.

The hoard and my TCG collection piles (unsorted… unsold… devalued cuz its fucking yugioh) are some of my biggest sources of anxiety now.

>minor cooking
I made some instant noodles, but not the cup kind but the one you need a pan for not too long ago.
I remember making potato salad with onions and mayo by myself about 5-6 years ago. Still a good memory even though the food was rather bad.

>Another one was throwing away things I bought with "magical" intention.
Like a drawing tablet, drawing resources, woodcarving items, other stuff like that you can imagine.
I always thought I'd manage to pick up a hobby, but my inability to do stuff in general ruined it and my life. Not having a bunch of stuff on shelves to remind myself of all my attempts and failures is a relief.
I never even really "failed" at anything I just never did anything.
Imagine buying a book, putting it in front of you, staring at it for 2 hours, not having read a sentence and then crying because you simply can't seem to be able to act on anything for some reason.

TL:DR; Any tiny step that takes me towards ORDER and away from CHAOS.
I need control and a good way for that is knowing EVERYTHING I have and where everything is, neatly, clearly, cleanly.
Remove stuff that causes anguish or reminds you of painful stuff.

I feel like I'm turning into pic rel I saved like idk almost a decade ago. (not my original screenshot) Yet I'm fucking helpless to change.
Still the small stuff listed helps to keep the bad thoughts at bay for a day at a time. Unfortunately it's rare to get the impulse to do stuff.

Huh, taking a shower always ruins my already horrible days, unless I'm completely delusional about my state. I look horrifying while naked.

normalchan

Going from being obese to overweight helped me a little bit. Even a small amount of weight control helps with feet and knee pain, acid reflux, sleep apnea. Also please do not make "no negativity allowed" threads here.

>>306523
Can second this.
I went from 110kg to 91~ back to 96-7 unfortunately, but it's still been a significant improvement in overall life quality.
Hope I'll get another burst of willpower soon.

>>306441
Reporting back.
Well, as expected, it was an… underwhelming experience, to say the least.
I've tried this workbook and a few others, and let's say, I'm a bit more skeptical of therapy now. Not to say that therapy is bad, but it's definitely not "one size fits all" solution.
I had a few workbooks, one on anxiety, one on depression, and one for DBT skills.
I think my problem is not that I break chairs and punch walls in fits of rage, but rather that I'm vibrating with paranoid delusions and anger inside, which renders me barely alive at this point.
Most therapy modalities focus on making you functional. That is, your internal world doesn't matter, as long as you can come to work and do your job, you are functional.
Don't mind that I can do my job barely and I'm speed running my way to a heart attack, no, what matters is that I can talk to people without gauging their eyes out, even though I'm speed running my way to a heart attack with all the seething I have inside.
It actually left me feeling more helpless and dismissed before doing that stuff. Yes, your experiences don't matter, what happens inside doesn't matter, what matters is that you can be an obedient good goy and work your 9-5 without being a nuisance to your coworkers. It's quite demoralizing, really.
It made me think, actually, that I should do the opposite of what the DBT book says. I NEED to be more low inhibition. Next time, I'll snap back at that annoying coworker, punch my wall and drink that bottle of Jack. My problem is the opposite of what DBT says, I bottle up my emotions too much, while in fact, I need to drop that Mr. Nice Guy act and be a little menace.
As for constantly low mood, it's part of my Mr. Nice Guy act. I try to be a good little boy so much that I forgot who I am actually. I feel so shitty inside because I always bottle up my emotions, to the point that I forgot what it means to feel anything.

>Let's discuss strategies for getting rid of pessimistic thoughts.

that's the spirit! clearly stating the thing you want to happen. this helps the thing being born.

1) i believe the number one thing that helps you shake the pessimism is choice. embrace choice. choose to do everything you can to be healthy. the pessimism is a manifestation of auto pilot and choice is manual flight. you do your own flying by choosing to. you can choose to be healthy, you can choose to be an optimist, you can choose to say "this is fine" while sitting at the burning table no matter how strange and out of place it feels.

2) when sitting at a burning table, the impulse is to run. this only makes sense when there is somewhere to run though that isn't the burning table. the impulse to flee, not to be here, to be anywhere but here is a strong anchor into unconsciousness. i did this for decades with video games. i could not handle being a childslave forced to go to school where evil people who hate me violently tried to make me into cannonfodder so i played video games every second i could, trying to endure the torture. now i have endured the torture and i know nothing about this world because i've never been here. i was born in my late 30s.

3) habits are important. everything you do often enough you will start to do automatically and forget about and potentially not even notice when you are doing it. you have to choose to look at your habits and see if they are good for you. one after the other, question all your existing habits; which is way harder then it sounds because habits try to evade your scrutiny as to keep themselves alive; they develop a live on their own and develop self-preservation even. find the bad habits and reduce them gently, think of good new habits and do them often enough to experience something wonderful: you will be doing them automatically without having to spend conscious effort and willpower on them. i don't have to give my best to eat healthy, i have been doing it for so long that it is the only way i eat at this point.

i hope you can stay your course of positivity long enough for your efforts to become habit OP💪💪. i remember this wonderful feeling: when you do something that takes dedication that did not come easy to you and then one day when you are absent minded you notice that you are doing the thing without you having to force yourself whatsoever because the habit has formed. i did this with meditation. took me years to get into it and then once i felt it and consciously did it, at times my body would just surprise me to meditate automatically and give me the good feeling of connection without me having to sit quietly and trying to dial into it.

>>303386

i'm reading carl jung currently, dudeman thinks dreams are how the collective unconscious tries to communicate with you. once i started trying to write down my dreams i noticed how much i was dreaming.

>>306441
>Saw a workbook online called Cognitive Behavioural Workbook for Depression online and decided to order it. Will report in a couple of months if it helps.

i'll read the report. when i find it i post an interesting workbook i once bought on a whim and did about half of it. it was all about drawing statistics about your life on colorful paper.

>>306441
>We all hear "just lift weights bruh" but it's not the only cure for depression. It's a very effective cure, but before that you need to build up your window of tolerance. I decided to start small. I'll go out and walk my dog in park early in the morning or late in the evening when nobody's around. I also want to read more new books and go back to fingerboarding. Fingerboarding is a good hobby because

dancing or at least some form of physical expression that can slowly become a dance i believe to be a necessary part of mental health. i like to skate to music and it feels like dancing. enjoying and playing with the movement mechanics of the human body is an essential part of the puzzle i almost never hear discussed or even mentioned so let me mention it here: dancing, skating, ice skating, or maybe an artistic martial arts like capoeira are necessary. at least dance to music you love with your headphones on in your room. if this feels shameful to you, it shouldn't. dance is the antidote to this shame that society tries to install on people.

>>302319
Check my thread around self-hypnosis and mind hygiene for some tech tips if you want
Good luck and have a good life.
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