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 No.227624[Reply]

Hello, I'm new to the Forum. I wanted to ask you all a question. What is the importance of seminal retention? I stopped watching pornography and stopped masturbating. I'm starting a life of voluntary celibacy. Any questions or advice are welcome.
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 No.227716

>>227714
nofap is the most sublime occupation of the most enlightened wizards. it's a fuck you shoved right in the god's face.

 No.227795

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I fap once a day (I don't "goon". In 2 minutes or less I'm finished) No more, no less. It's not good to let things build up in your system. Also, I can think more clearly after I cum. It's like finishing a cigarette. I would prefer to never masturbate, but I also would like to be perfect, but it's impossible.

 No.227805

>>227795
wizard it's an emergency i need to know the source of your picture please please please!!!

 No.227806

>>227805
I got it off of Pinterest
(Yes I use Pinterest to get anime wallpapers)

 No.227810

>>227795
okay so I couldn't find if this figure sells or not. damn it. shiksho! shiksho!



 No.222413[Reply]

So I'm "lucky" to live with my parents and leeching them off as a pathetic NEET.
If I go to work, how will that benefit me?
I won't be able to afford a new PC since it costs a shitton of money. Okay maybe I could afford a laptop for a black day when my PC dies.
I wouldn't be able to move out. I wouldn't be able to afford anything life-changing (education, flat, car).
Basically I wouldn't be able to afford anything. And additionally, I'd be incredibly suicidal like most of the day because i'm an autistic weak mentally pathetic NEET who can't survive society and work in the first place, anyway.

What are the pros towards trying to find a job as a 30+ years old NEET as opposed to trying to kill myself painlessly?
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 No.227715

>>227713
well in general it looks like we were born to live in dark times, but i'd really like to play some games with >15 fps before natural selection weeds me out. so yeah a computer is more important to me than commodities since i've no chance of survival anyway

 No.227718

>>227715
Well if you want to make money you should buy silver

I don't really play demanding games, I'm playing neo scavenger now, I only upgraded for more ram, I wanted to run my OS in ram completely, my PC from 2016 still works and it's in storage as a backup. Generally I build and configure my PCs to last 'on case of apocalypse scenarios' lmao

 No.227739

>>227715
Random wizard here.
Look, just in case: 96 gb … no, 32 gb of DDR5 RAM apiece cost quite some money now, while games rarely use 96gb at once. Inb4 you dabble in big data AI, huggingface and such

 No.227792

It gives you something to do. I don't *have* to work but I still go.

 No.227793

>>227792
if you can’t figure out what do with your life without having an employer tell you what to do you are essentially a slave with not mind of their own



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 No.227780[Reply]

Hotwheels just died.

It's weird, I was just thinking about how he got chased off wizardchan like ten years ago for having sex. I remember everyone calling him "Chad McThunderwheels".

 No.227781

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>>227780
Well, requiescat in pace.
May he find in death the peace he did not find in life.
Life is a cruel bitch.

 No.227784

>>227782
Disabled people tend to not live very long. I mean just look at him, obviously an organ gave out or something.

It's not talked about but most down syndrome people would die around the age of 3-5 without medical intervention. Their hearts give out.

 No.227787

There's already a thread about it: >>>/lounge/322915



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 No.227513[Reply]

BRAZILIAN POLITICAL PARTY WILL USE ESOCHANNEALOGY!
Do you remember Esochannealogy? The esoteric channer system? Developed by Anonymages?
If you don't remember: https://wizchan.org/b/res/1029560.html

I have good news for all of members of this forum! A Brazilian political party "Missão" (Mission) will use our system to promote Renan Santos in Brazilian presidential election!

https://missaoapoio.com.br/noticia/ascensao-esochannealogia-guerra-memetica

We did it!
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 No.227722

The future is our.

 No.227744

>>227740
We are in a global lulz. If you aren't in it, you are a fucking normie.

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 No.227775

Corrupcion exposure for keks is the most virgin thing to use it for, you know? Knowing that cuckery does it for fucks >>227751



 No.227025[Reply]

Does anyone here know any good virgin-only forums? Or a forum with a significant virgin population? Or maybe a forum that discusses widespread societal depravity in a very negative light?

I'm guessing the answer will be 'no'. Don't you think that's strange? I never believed just because something is common, that it's 'natural' or 'acceptable.' Child rape was common, it was practiced for most of human history, that's not acceptable. Yet betrayal, prostitution and temporary 'relationships' (same thing as prostitution) are? We are always at the recieving end of mockery, and them always rewarded with praise. Why? What did we do to deserve being mocked and belittled?

Does anyone else here feel this way? Or am I the only one? How do I reach likeminded people? How do I communicate with people who share my values? Where do I find them?

These days I just feel like we're being erased, or rather… we have always been erased. Am I a crab for taking these things seriously and refusing to submit to the same depravity as others?
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 No.227761

>>227700
Not to mention the typical user of this site "rejecting" sex is like a hungry homeless man "rejecting" to have Wagyu steak at his Manhattan penthouse.

You never had a chance to begin with so you can't reject something that is physically impossible in your circumstances.

I'm virgin because I don't physically appeal to anyone, succubus, man or trans. And that's fine, nobody owes me anything. I don't hate anybody. Though I will say it's not how I imagined life would go down when I was a kid.

 No.227763

Well, I personally think that most of us, ugly and all, can get laid and find a relationship. Is it worth it? Fuck no.
Relationships and sexxx are only worth it if you are attractive or at least average.
I know several people, both attractive and not, men and you-know-who, all of them are in relationships. The beautiful ones get to fuck other beautiful people (if we are talking about hook ups) and they are in long term relationships with people who treat them with utmost care and tebderness.
While the ugly ones are fucking miserable. The men are oofy doofies with no dignity and you-know-whos never get even a crumb of romance.
I've seen it all. My brother is a chad, unlike me, and his ex was a fucking 10/10 who worshipped the ground he walked on. He, in turn, showered her with affection.
Meanwhile, I have an old college acquaintance. He is fucking hideous but got married. I never saw a sadder relationship in my life. They don't even pretend to love each other.
What am I saying? Any wizz here can find himself a landwhale who will nag and bitch and be fucking annoying, but is it worth it? No. It's never worth it if you are hideous. But yes, you do can get laid. You just choose not to. Because you have an ounce of dignity and would rather be alone than stay in a loveless relationship only because of your face. That's what I did. I'm not stupid and I see the world around me, and I know that uglies are always devalued and degraded in relationships.
Basically, think oofy doofy, but I'm not talking about money, no. I'm taking about emotional validation that normal, non-ugly people get out if relationships. You will never, ever, ever get it.

 No.227770

>>227763
But these attractive people, their relationships don't last and didn't last. I'm not advocating for relationships (because lol wut), but I'm seeing a contradiction in your post.

You claim your 'chad' whore brother was showering his bipedal hole with affection, but they're not together. And all the 'happy relationships attractive people have' you mention are all street-whore shit. In your own words, its not just uglies who settle for less, the same 'attractive' people cant make their own relationships work out and are constantly switching relationships like underwear. Doesn't sound very successful to me, it sounds insecure, malicious and gravely unhappy.

 No.227771

>>227761
That homeless man analogy is very insulting to me. I'm not some thirsty crab faggot like you who wishes to get laid or goons in front of a screen. Virginity is the steak I am eating.

I dont really care what you chose to be or how you ended up a virgin, but the insult laced into the analogy wasnt lost on me.

 No.227772

>>227770
I get where you coming from, but think of it this way:an attractive person can change partners like gloves until they found "the one." They don't put up with their shitty gfs, they just kick those bitches out and find someone nicer and hotter. Same with womanoids, they have a roster of men who they pick and choose depending on their weird standards. Attractive people can have standards and break up with someone over being vegan, smoking or giving "the ick." Can you say the same about an ugly man? No, he just finds one succubus and sticks with her flaws that he despises only because he can't do better. You are right to point that out, but you are looking at the carousel of relationships wrong.



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 No.226692[Reply]

I think I've just realized a good reason to live.

I have /wiz/ardchan tier sex drive - as in very low

During my teens/20s I had stress so high I had no morningstaff (/dep/ tier past) - but I missed the part where I was supposed to end up a "crab".

All my /hob/ are computer-related, I don't really need too many "real stuff". In fact, I like "industrial" design or straight-up "rustical" crude design.

I dabble a little in /jp/ culture - as in 1950s-1980s, not just modern anime/games/both combined (Touhou Project) and pre-1885 times of samurai

and I have my own taste in /music/ - I have utilitarian preferences, such as commercial background music.


I think my consciousness would be quite useful as a template to copy and to install into various robot-like machines… y'know, it happens sometimes - it's VERBOTEN, ZAPRESHCHENO, PROHIBITED to make X, but there's an opportunity to get Y and upgrade it to something that's close to X. So hey, have fun cloning [and patching up?] my mind with additional knowledge, should manufacturing a strong AI from scratch und up prohibited.

Since I do not identify with seggs/gossip/"SUCCial lifey" and such, I have less problems than regular urban person all while I do not have the addendum of the beautiful divine nature of a proper hermit/monk/a high-composure person who keeps masking own feelings, not genuinely lacks them.
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 No.227730

>>227729
>"meat rots teeth"

Actually start eating meat first that isnt contaminated by industrial carcinogens and then make this comment.

 No.227737

>>227727
>Same for exercising, if you are a schizo loner living the ermit life, what the point of stressing your body into some intense exercice instead of just relaxing all day ?

Before giving you a little piece of hope, a little "glimmer" material. I'll remind you something. Here's how things were done back in the day of saint hermits like Seraphim Sarovsky: into the woods, but not the deep "innawoods", grow food, till the soil, but take some quests from locals nearby anyway.

 No.227738



>If civilisation wants to kill you someday for some reason, because you are consuming ressources or idk, its not like you can resist it anyway, even if you are fit, the modern weapons are way too powerful.


Look, there is a funny thing here that feels like a paradox.

Moravec's paradox (see in W.)
Basically, a human's *intuition* is harder for computers that any formal logic.
* Formal logic can be thrown into a CPU which compares lots of data, bit by bit, 0 vs 1
* GPUs mimic small areas of ones brain

Our generation still has some time by *combining* motorics, physical self-care, several areas of intelligence at once (drama, logic, rhethorics, visual calculus, conceptualization) and there's a room for *hunch*, making suggestions and such.


>>227727
Therefore, excercising to be ready to *fit* into some role of a… say:
* watchtower operator,
* a distant railroad station worker guy
* maybe a night shift security guy who spends his day in a dark box of a rented basement (preferrably vented)…
* maybe a night shift conveyor worker (bakery? Newspapers/magazines/books on demand maybe?) who can dodge coworkers' random small talks with little though-disrupting patterns

 No.227749

>>227727

>Media is no stimulation ? How consuming media is less a mental stimulation than learning new language or instrument, for instance ?


Barely if any, how much mental effort do you invest when you play games or watch some tv show compared to learning an instrument or a language? Everything is getting spoonfed, you can do these activities on autopilot, that reward is just the pleasure you feel at that moment and it's nothing productive.

> And another question for you, why someone who live out of society (socially isolated) since many years would be motivated to learn some new skills or knowledge that mostly only have value and uses in a social context, instead of just chilling consuming his favorite piece of media ?


> if you are a schizo loner living the ermit life, what the point of stressing your body into some intense exercice instead of just relaxing all day ?


You can just pick a topic that is less relevant in social contexts then. Instead of learning a new language, go for history, programming, etc.

As for exercising, you do it to have a better quality of life and stay healthy. And there are lots of solitary activities you can do that these exercises help with, such as cycling, hiking, etc. You'll need to build up your stamina for that.

 No.227750

>>227749
>Barely if any, how much mental effort do you invest when you play games or watch some tv show compared to learning an instrument or a language?
Just as much.
>spoonfed
Ever heard of "gamefication" techniques?



>As for exercising, you do it to have a better quality of life and stay healthy. And there are lots of solitary activities you can do that these exercises help with, such as cycling, hiking, etc.

Cycling is safer both as in free from street/park yobs chasing you AND free from "nice weather, huh? HUH!? HE-E-E-EY!?" thought-interrupting people.

>You'll need to build up your stamina for that

Stamina helps with everything, however, building up stamina also demands intuitive understanding of your body - not wrecking your leg joints, for example.



 No.222805[Reply]

I like Japanese things, I like image-board concept, but when i go to other chans people are mad.
I jut want to talk about hobbies music and things not hate/insult people.
I'm not technically a wizard yet, but probably is my destiny, but I like this chan.
what we can do for have more people just a bit, I'm starting too be bored of the same content.
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 No.225992

>>222808
I am failed normie. I watch Instagram reels all day in which normies act like high skoolers to get likes. I wish I could make normie content like that.

 No.225997

wizchan is less toxic, but way more depressing

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 No.227579

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You know, IMO, there is something beautiful in early LLMs (they're trying to be nice, but that's it) and there was something beautiful in the early Internet in its "and that's it"-ness too.

lain
at its beautiful

 No.227653

>>223398
Kek, so true



 No.227636[Reply]

A mea culpa

There used to be a line from Jesus that struck me as weird and implausible. Matthew 6:22-23:

22 “The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy, your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eyes are unhealthy, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
>The Greek for healthy here implies generous.
>The Greek for unhealthy here implies stingy.

I previously had naively assumed that this was providing some kind of primitive medical teaching. It certainly didn’t seem very profound. But as others especially Aron Wall, author of maybe the best blog on the internet have pointed out to me, this is not how scholars interpreted the passage. It would be pretty weird if Jesus injected random medical advice into a sermon about ethics. The fact that a teaching seems weird to me after two seconds of reflection, when I read it 2,000 years after it was uttered isn’t good evidence that it’s in error!

 No.227637

>>227636
Reflecting more on the passage, however, along with listening to a talk from Father John Bethancourt whom Aron once described as “the most visibly holy person I have ever met on this earth” I’ve become convinced that this passage is deceptively wise. Thinking hard about the passage can lead to both profound realization and significant shifts in one’s thinking.

Probably the most profound illusion under which we normally operate is that we do not take seriously the wonder of other people. While we accurately see great value in ourselves, we remain blind to similar value in others.

We interact with other people, treating them as drab automata. It’s not uncommon for people on the internet to declare others NPCs. But no people are drab nor NPCs. They have a rich, complex inner life there’s something it’s like to be them. No doubt if you read their mind, you could learn a great deal from them and you’d see them as being just as deep as they see themselves.

Consciousness is the most wonderful and mysterious thing in the universe. Of all of God’s creations, it is the grandest. Indeed, it is needed for most of the others to have value. Beautiful nature, never appreciated, is of no value. The boring people you interact with at work have interests that matter just as much as your own. While we all regard our own interests as deeply important, we rarely take seriously others’ interests.

In our interactions with other people, we are like a small child who glimpses the grand canyon only to declare it boring next to the trains he is playing with. We are like a child who hears their grandfather died, who cannot understand the horror of death, whose only takeaway is that his grandfather will no longer take him to preschool. While we are tiny specks against the grandeur of the universe, all the value in our galaxy is located on Earth.

 No.227638

>>227637
In short, we have eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear. While other people are “full of light” wonderful, grand, and of incalculable value our perception of them is shrouded in darkness. The importance that we sometimes glimpse in friends, family, and cute small children is present in everyone; in most cases, however, it is invisible to us. The most important fact about other people their importance, their light remains clouded to us.

We’re especially blind to the importance of others when viewed in the full radiance that will be displayed by their eternal existence. As C.S. Lewis writes in The Weight of Glory:

“It is a serious thing to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest most uninteresting person you can talk to may one day be a creature which, if you saw it now, you would be strongly tempted to worship, or else a horror and a corruption such as you now meet, if at all, only in a nightmare. All day long we are, in some degree helping each other to one or the other of these destinations. It is in the light of these overwhelming possibilities, it is with the awe and the circumspection proper to them, that we should conduct all of our dealings with one another, all friendships, all loves, all play, all politics. There are no ordinary people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilizations - these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat. But it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub, and exploit - immortal horrors or everlasting splendors.”

 No.227639

>>227638
In our beatified afterlife state, we will be smarter, wiser, more just, and more temperate than we could possibly remember. The present gap between you and the most wicked fool you’ve ever met is infinitesimal compared to the gap between your present state and their beatified state. Nick Bostrom once said of AI “we are like small children playing with a bomb.” This is what we are like in our interactions with other people it is like we have met young children, destined to become gods.

The person you mocked, bullied, and belittled is to become a god one day. The only reason your belittling was carried out the only reason it was even thinkable is because your eyes were clouded in darkness. You couldn’t see the boundless importance of the one you mocked. Most evil acts can only be performed because the one performing them fails to recognize the goodness and the importance of those harmed through the evil acts. If Bundy had valued others equally to himself, he would not have killed those he did.

More directly, if you could “see” how much the children in distant lands wasting away from horrible diseases matter if you knew their preciousness as you know the preciousness of your own child you would give away nearly all of your money to effective charities. https://benthams.substack.com/p/children-are-dying-that-you-can-save?utm_source=publication-search If you could see vividly how important the life was of the cow, tortured and murdered so that you could eat her flesh, you would not eat her. https://benthams.substack.com/p/factory-farming-delenda-est

 No.227640

>>227639
Having functional eyes that can see the light in others isn’t just good for others it’s good for you. You will be slower to anger, deeper in friendship and loving, and more satisfied with others if you see them as beings of inestimable value, rather than mere means towards your edification. Just as one who can appreciate good art will have a better time at an art exhibit than one who can’t, one who can vividly see the good in others will have a better time interacting with others.

This does not just apply to humans. Vividly appreciating the beauty of nature and non-human animals makes life quite a bit more pleasant. Coming to see the world’s beauty as being of God allows one both to have far deeper aesthetic experiences and to forge a deeper connection with God through those aesthetic experiences. If each leaf you see carries the signature of an infinite and perfect God, even an ordinary trip outside will be a profound experience. When one comes to see that all things carry the divine signature, their “whole body will be full of light.”

Then there is, of course, the one most worthy of veneration: God himself!

It is with relation to God that our eyes most profoundly do not see, that our world is most shrouded with darkness. If we could really see vividly the awesome glory of God, we would see our life the way one might see the day before their marriage. An unimaginably awesome future awaits us one so grand that even a millisecond of it blows all earthly pleasures completely out of the water. The greatness of God is something we cannot grasp intuitively; only mystics seem to have any inkling of it.

 No.227641

>>227640
Imagine the feeling of dread you would have if you knew you would be tortured tomorrow in the most hideous ways imaginable. If there is a God, our feelings should be precisely the inverse of this. Our anticipation and excitement should far surpass what our dread would be if we knew torture awaited for the future that awaits us outclasses the horror of torture as thoroughly as true love surpasses a stubbed toe.

If one were to truly internalize this, their “whole body will be full of light.”

There is at least one other sense in which the eye is the lamp of the body. Almost everyone has beautiful eyes. By looking into a person’s eyes, you can see them deeply. People don’t normally empathize with shrimp or chickens, but they do most completely when they see their eyes:

What Can Your Chickens See?

Humans have a strong bias towards the beautiful. Those who are better looking are likelier to be hired for jobs and believed to have positive traits. By seeing people’s eyes, you can get a glimpse of their radiance and glory. You can begin to see that they are a person just like you, whose interests matter as much as yours

When we interact with others, we operate under the delusion that they are mere machines whose interests are of no great importance. By seeing them fully, by looking into their eyes, we can see that this is wrong

Um, so now that I’ve written 1,500 words about how awesome and wise Jesus’s statements about the eyes being the light of the body are, I no longer think my objection to Christianity based on this odd seeming statement has any merit



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 No.220422[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Okay, Almost all of us here barely have any friends IRL, me included (I am sure at least half of us here are fine with that), But what about online Socialization? even the biggest Hikikomoris socialize online, the issue is that I f*g can't relate to people online, even in circles that are meant for "losers" and "outcasts", even if i like many people there and we can somewhat get along, I still feel that I do not belong there and that we live in entirely different worlds, And I do not play online games, nor post in any other imageboard aside of this, I always feel home here, unlike anywhere else online, so it's comfy here, but somewhere like 4trannies? hell no, it really hits when my former online friends are advancing in life and starting romantic relationships and I am left in the same exact place (not negatively) it's when I realize that I don't belong around them and I am only going to relate to them less and less with the time, and I hate it when they try to get me to change my way and try to talk to me about "getting a G.F" and escaping wiz/apperantice-hood so i decide to just abandon them and live inside of my own mind bubble comfortably
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 No.227006

>>227000
>schizophrenia in 2025

 No.227010

>>227006
<wtf is delusion of grandeur

 No.227011

i actually started socializing a lot when i was 15. i tried many diffrent groups mostly in the real world. at some point you realize that no matter where you look 99% people are the same, the only diffrence being how they dress, where they party and their politics. the only diffrence is they got brainwashed by diffrent media. even the most alternative people have the same blueprint and it gets very annoying.

 No.227581

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I unironically think you should get a small cute chatbot to run on your computer.

Context. Back in the day, the first chatbot ever, the A.L.I.C.E. from 1966, was somewhat useful already to feel lonely people of the campus noticeably less lonely.

So hey. Chatbots. Even the antique code from around 60 years ago was good enough to make one's brain slightly happier, so a modern chatty can be even cooler



oh and A.L.I.C.E. is an extension for Edge or Chrome now btw.

 No.227582

>>227581
note to self: stop phoneposting and switch back to a laptop


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 No.226256[Reply]

A few days ago I read about CBT thinking errors and have seen how I make them often when I'm considering the problems in my life.
I honestly think my psychological and emotional issues run too deep inside me to recover completely and have regular life, but I think much about the suffering of my situation comes from errors in my thinking.
This means that maybe we can work on our thoughts and move to a mental place that is not permeated by sadness and misery. Maybe even have some moments of happiness.
Doing this is hard work of introspection. It requires listening to your thoughts and be "open minded" enough to open to the possibility that maybe you made a mistake.
If you want to try, you can start by picking one thought and contrast it with thinking errors. Keep in mind, that it is likely that you will disagree with it being an error or not. When this happens, explain to yourself why and contrast that to the errors again. Repeat this forever basically.
I think it can be helpful to be open to the fact that not making mistakes is legitimately impossible; so, while it is true that our life have been subject to shitty conditions, there is the fact that we are worsening it with these mistakes and that finding some relief is possible for us.
I hope we can be well.
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 No.226270

>>226269
No, never. The world is as evil as it appears, if not more.

 No.226271

>>226268
Delusional take, CBT is quiet useful, it actually help a person to have a more truthful view of the world instead of just believing in every bullshit you think, learn critical thinking.

 No.226272

When your thoughts are distorted enough to for them to be harmful it will probably be hard for you to identify on your own.

This is why it is important to have a trustworthy support group and why you can't give therapy to yourself.

 No.226273

>>226272
I agree that therapy has an important role that probably can't be replaced, but leaving all mental care work to be done in the presence and with the approval of someone with authority is a bad idea.
Learning some basic stuff to take care of ourselves can help.

 No.227575

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to put it as simplr as possible, CBT allows you to:


reprogram yourself from some buggy mess left by your life experiences

make peace between the contradicting desires by going deeper, by uncovering how many ulteeior motives your wizard head actually has. And feed each desire just a little bit, probably



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