/dep/ - Depression

Relevant:
http://www.jaronlanier.com/zombie.html

>>238403
I don't understand anything.

>>238403
Needlessly long, but still a pretty good read.

What is it about image boards that leads people to such self aggrandizing views?

>>238419
Because you feel so completely alienated from general society and culture for so long, that at some point the thesis that you actual are completely alien (in WHATEVER sense) begins to start making more and more empirical sense.

>>238419
When you're looking at the crowd from a distance, you naturally tend to develop a sense of superiority because it's like being a shepherd who looks upon his sheep, observing their movements on a grander scale. Every once in a while you wonder why they do what they do, and remember it's because they are behaving in accordance to each other like any sheep would.

>>238424
Except you only observe and don't execute the function of the shepard. That's why it's more alienating than empowering.

>>238428
I have a theory that the people in power are actually outcast material, but they lucked out and can afford to be separated from society. Jeff Bezos would have been ridiculed and treated like shit if it weren't for his fortune. He still is hated by angry wageslaves, but he is so far above them that they are nothing more than pawns in his game. The goal of every wizard should be to rise above the flock. Kinda where I'm getting at here.

High quality post and why I come here.
What do you think of the idea that we are defective for seeing the world as it appears without the normie filter that makes it appear tolerable and the goals appetizing?

Dogs love sloppy dog food a dog that could not stand the taste of dog food would not make a very good dog and in the same way a wizard/outcast who can see through the folly of society itself as being anything but a slave factory slaving away to make more slaves to slave away ad infinitum.

We are not very good at being humans.
Being social appears as a game but on closer inspection it is a portal to a plethora of minigames with enjoying being social as the foundation.
If you do not care for your social standing and appealing to normalfags why would you want anything more than to satisfy yourself and (hopefully) sate your own boredom with existence?
The wizard after having the essentials like internet and food and a room may get a computer and some games and then they are content in a way but consider the normalfaggot he has all his essentials but what he needs to be happy with himself is ever increasing because he is NOT trying to satisfy himself but all the other normalfags as well.
He NEEDs to work longer hours or work at all so he can buy the latest Iphone and then the latest Iphone and so on until he dies.

If there was a way to quantify the subjective value of possessions and compare a normie and a wizard hikikomori who has his essentials who would have more?
I understand that it is human and inescapable to forever desire but there is a distinction as the value of the items the wizard uses is not as variable and in flux as the normies.
His Iphone/fashion item after a year drops in value enormously because the main value to him was not its actual functionality itself but the value that others gave the Iphone its general appeal of status.

>>238462
I remember having this conversation with my father where he was criticisizing me for constantly repairing my phone so much that he was badgering me for a while by saying that I should get a new phone to "keep up."

I wish I had a better response than the incredulous look I gave him.

>>238401
Here's an article full of red pills on just how stupid the average person is.

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/stupid-people/

>>238470
Is there any reason to argue do you think most people would be capable of being convinced? I want to make it clear I do not think it is bad in and of itself if you enjoy consuming plenty of wizards buy otaku or autistic hobby related items for example.
A lot of the normal types seem to put excess pressure on themselves to keep up and fall into debt so if it causes a negative result like that it is not healthy.

>>238476
cont.
The results may be right, but I dislike the general tone of the site, it's clearly /pol/ack as fuck.

Also the PISA tests are a joke here, the second the teachers say that this test doesn't have an impact on grades most kids just do minimal guesswork, I remember just answering whatever back in 2012 when this particular test took place, didn't even care about it I just wanted to get over with that crap.

But yes I live in a country of retards with an avg IQ of 87 (just barely above retardation) I already knew that.

>>238477
>Also the PISA tests are a joke here, the second the teachers say that this test doesn't have an impact on grades most kids just do minimal guesswork, I remember just answering whatever back in 2012 when this particular test took place, didn't even care about it I just wanted to get over with that crap.
O.K., but if 100% of the class dgaf, then I think that says something even more important than IQ.

>>238478
Yeah I know,It's probably a cultural thing, In japan, china and korea they probably take this much more seriously and so they actually put effort towards answering correctly.

Again I'm not disputing the results per se, I'm just saying that the conclusions may be biased because of culture and other things.

Also the entire fucking site is a joke really, it stopped being serious
the second I saw shit like this https://www.unz.com/akarlin/rog-shoahed-the-jews/

all that i created is created by normies. we live in their world. we don't amount to shit.

>>238484
Autists, aspergers etc. have created 99% of the modern world.

People like Tesla are the true creators of the modern world. So are programmers, space theorists and software creators.

>>238473
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh1zXFKC_o

Check this. Not a single normie could place a SINGLE country on the Earth map, from a random sample of random men and succubi passing on the street. Except 1 kid at the end.

>>238495
I'm having a very hard time accepting this is real. Surely these are just paid actors being stupid on purpose right? It's all just gotta be for laughs right?

>>238495
Normalfags are superficial as fuck, surprise surprise

>>238473
Normalfags are retarded because they don't need to be intelligent to get by. Why waste time improving your IQ when you can just use your built-in social skills to get whatever you want?

>>238498
>improving your IQ
Depending on who you ask, this is not something they can do.

Maybe nobody will read this, maybe you will read it and be mad at me but I don't care. The truth needs to be written down.

This thread is yet another "oh God I'm so special so I have a right, no a DUTY to look down on others" delusional thread. Fantastic. Just what we needed. Sure, you as a friendless, reclusive NEET who posts on obscure imageboards and reads some philosophy or classics are just a poor Übermensch who is hated by the mass or the sheep. You are a shepherd in the making, no doubt about it! But wait! Did you actually achieve anything that makes you think you are above others? Did you write some epic novel or come up with a new Beethoven-like music? Or you made paintings like Da Vinci? Or you achieved anything that 99% of people can't do? No? Then why do you look down on others? And even if you were a misunderstood intellectual or artist, that wouldn't give you the right to treat others like shit. But who are we kidding? Most of the userbase here is made up of:
- NEETs
- mentally unstable people
- lazy people who lack any kind of ambition
- socially retarded people
Do you see how laughable this whole wizard-aristocracy crap is? We aren't shepherds, only outsiders and outcasts. Big difference. Being an asocial male virgin doesn't raise you above the so called cattle. You - we - are part of the cattle if we look at things closely. So what if normal X spends his time partying and doing drugs and fucking whores? What do we do? Shut ourselves up in our comfy rooms, read some philosophy or classics maybe, play video games, consume media, etc. What is the difference? We are hedonists too just like most normals, we just envision pleasure differently than they, in some ways. Why do you feel the need to look down on others? Wizards are never, will never, never were part of the elite or aristocracy of any kind of society. We have more in common with homeless people, crazy lunatics, addicts, prostitutes, criminals and other lumpenproletariat material than with the middle class or with the elite.
"But I'm an intellectual!"
No, you aren't, according to society. You lack the stamp of approval of the elite so you aren't an intellectual. You may know more about philosophy or other things than some actual teachers but that doesn't make you into a professional teacher or philosopher. Sitting in your room and posting on imageboards isn't what intellectuals do, they go out into the real world and apply their knowledge. Or they write actual stuff they publish later. You are an intellectual yet you aren't at the same time. Besides, the only reason we can even be proto or semi-intellectuals is because we have access to the Internet. If we lived hundreds of years ago what do you think, how would we have existed back then? I am pretty sure we would have been slaves, or would have been executed for breaking the law or would have been put into the loony bin. Maybe find a place in some monastery where we would wash dishes and do the gardening until we die of old age or find some other low paying jobs or serve some Normalfag Aristocrat. Certainly would have been worse for us than current society. The process of democratization that took place in the West made it possible for us to NEET at home. The Internet, the biggest gift the common people like us received, gave us the chance to read some intellectual stuff but don't delude yourself. You aren't special. You aren't superior. You are very much part of the common folk. I'm guessing you aren't possessing much capital if you post here and you haven't achieved anything extra-ordinary that could pull you up to join the elite.

The class-delusion of the people here is amusing and sad at the same time. We aren't the inventors, researchers, poets, artists, philosophers, intellectuals, scholars, political or spiritual leaders of the future. We are the leeches that don't produce anything worthwhile, we are the ones who would get the bullet first in any authoritarian system because we are expendables and worthless, according to any society. Both the Soviet Union and hitlerian Germany got rid of homeless, unemployed people.
So we are part of the rabble. What is the next logical conclusion? Anarcho-communism. A system where everyone gets treated equally, where you don't have to prove how useful you are day-by-day. A society where those get the goods who lack them the most, not those who are the most useful to society or those who are the best in anything. A society where everyone helps everyone else voluntarily. This be your goal. We need a more humane, more warm-hearted, more empathy-filled society. People like you OP don't help, you are part of the problem. You say, look here is a wizard and there a normalfag but I only see selfish, egoist psychopaths almost everywhere. Enough with this dick-measuring contest of who is above who already! We are all brothers and sisters, we need to stick together and eliminate the elite. I don't care how intellectual someone is, if I had to choose between a black guy who is obsessed with pussy, drugs and stuff like that but is ready to help others in need and some intellectual prick who may know many things about philosophy and intellectual topics but doesn't understand the basic principle of "treat others the same way you wish to be treated by others" morality - I'd pick the average joe any time. From the way I see it, the only thing that matters is whether you are a selfish bastard or someone who would like to help others. Saint Augustine said love and do what you want. That is it.

>>238494
>>238433
Outcasts and autists - in the sense that we apply these words to ourselves here- didn't create shit. The western world was built up by the restless, nothing-is-enough, passionate Übermenschen. The teutonic warrior knights, the greedy cardinals and conquistadors, the treacherous and plotting nobles, the selfish and psychopathic kings, the hard-working intellectuals and researchers who for vanity wanted to be number 1, etc. The Estes, Medicis, Borgias, The Sun King and Napoleon, the hitlers of any age and similar people who didn't care about anyone but their own fantasies and passions, those who were willing to sacrifice and murder anyone who got in their way.
Actual autists, hermits, loners and outsiders were too busy doing slave work and hiding away in monasteries doing ordinary chores. Or getting murdered by their aristocratic overlords and getting tortured by the Inquisition. Or rotting in rat-infested loony bins. The West is the product of the faustian man, the egoistic, selfish individual who always wants more and more.
In contrast, we wizards are more the oblomovian man. We in spirit are akin to the eastern man who is satisfied with doing nothing in particular, who only wants to be comfy and to enjoy the little things in life. We prefer shutting ourselves up in our rooms to actively engaging in life. We don't have big ambitions, we just want to have fun. We are passive, feminine, "slavish" in contrast to the active, masculine, "german" man of the West. We are OK with leaving things to God/fate/luck, we don't want to control and know everything. Collectivism and idealism suit us better than egoism and materialism. We thrive for peace, stability, quiet while the normalfag western culture is built around struggle and constant change.

>>238503
shill

>>238503
You're yet another low IQ american who equates financial success with intelligence.

Was Tesla dumb because he died impoverished and friendless and was generally shunned unless people could profit off his inventions?

>>238503
that's like just your opinion, man.
Up to the point of anarcho-communism. There you start just being wrong "A society where everyone helps everyone else voluntarily. This be your goal." this cannot happen in an anarchist society. In an anarchist society sooner or later everyone ends up with being pissed on on ones headless shoulders. It's a power vacuum scenario anyway and would lead to warring gangs -> tribes -> feudal government in that order.

And even if that was a possible society, why would it be desirable? This helpful society seems like a lot of effort for nothing to me. Unpaid busywork for incorrigible people who I potentially wouldn't like. You'd need to kill selectively empathic people or inject oxytocin to make this sort of society work. And someone would have to enforce the policy.

You say " People like you OP don't help" and yet your society would require all to be helpful. So what to do with OP? Execute him?

Furthermore nobody here thinks he is special as in "better", but as in different, which is self-evident. And for most wizards this is enough. Nobody here considers himself elite- but they have a right to consider themselves thinkers, especially when thinking is all they do.

>>238473
the question lacks "per month" to be solved without doubt (it could be "in total").

>>238503
>spews nonsense about anarcho-communism
I disagree. The ideal society will always be one that gives neetbux to the autistic losers like us and forces everyone else to work for a living. If we were so worthless and a leech on society, we would have been killed off already and erased from the gene pool. Maybe there is a reason why we are still alive? I think there is a purpose for NEETs. It's to keep the wageslaves in line because now there is a surplus of labor, and if they ever decided to go on a national strike one day they would be replaced pretty quickly.

>>238514
>I think there is a purpose for NEETs. It's to keep the wageslaves in line because now there is a surplus of labor, and if they ever decided to go on a national strike one day they would be replaced pretty quickly.

This sounds about right to me but mostly I am thinking we are the souls of solitary men from times past having another go at life. Lighthouse keepers and monks in cells alike. Having such a large surplus of labor is a huge weapon they use to keep us down, agreed.

>>238503
This whole post is one huge projection. No, this is not your personal NEET army. Nobody here is a prostitute. There is mostly sympathy with the homeless and poor people because there are less psychopaths here than on normie places. I don't agree with OP neither looking down on humans. In short, wizchan is not one person.

>>238514
>I think there is a purpose for NEETs.
> It's to keep the wageslaves in line because now there is a surplus of labor, and if they ever decided to go on a national strike one day they would be replaced pretty quickly.


Welcome to the NHK addressed this issue, I don't remember if it was the novel or the anime, but at some point satou considers that NEET's otakus and other lowlifes like us exist just so normalfags can look at us and say "I don't want to end up like them,I have to work to avoid being like them" to actually motivate people to work and do things, that actually makes sense.

>>238523
I personally feel my entire purpose in life is this exactly do other wizards feel this way despite nt wishing to be normalfags?

>>238514
Because at least you're not actively and severely harm them, they rarely even kill criminals. Normalfags actually have mercy and morality, strange I know, they're supposed to be npc and kill everything that doesn't benefit them.

>>238507
you're not tesla.

Normies are NPCs but they live decent lives that is why they keep going in this life many of them are also desilusional and cope

>>238514
The reason is simply lack of political will, same reason White nations keep their POCs around. Politicians play the popularity game and ordering a genocide is not only hard and risky, but also not popular. They'd rather throw their people into ruin than lose their job.

>>238533
With your crappy and hypocrital way of thinking, you really wouldn't know a Tesla if you had it in from of you.

>>238507
I didn't say that intelligence neccesarily means success. But I have yet to meet an inventor or researcher or genius here. So Tesla may have been a virgin, so what? He was also a genius and you and others here aren't. Deal with it. If you post here you will likely never achieve anything significant. But for your entertainment I looked up the wiki on Tesla, guess what I found within a minute?
>With the help of partners to finance and market his ideas, Tesla set up laboratories and companies in New York to develop a range of electrical and mechanical devices.
>demonstrated his achievements to celebrities and wealthy patrons at his lab, and was noted for his showmanship at public lectures
Do we need more? Do you seriously think people here possess the necessary social skills to achieve these things? Time to accept reality, wizboy.

>>238512
You parrot the same bullshit most anti-anarchists say always: "it would lead to bloodbath,blah blah". Anarchists in Spain during the civil war did pretty well, if you ask me. That is, until the whites and stalinists teamed up against them.
"Warring gangs" would be the stage it would go only, then people would unite and work for the collective welfare of everyone.
>why would it be desirable
All right, you ignored my previous post completely. Which part of "distributing goods according to needs, not according to merit" you fail to grasp? If you don't understand how a poor man would benefit from a society where goods are shared and common then there is nothing to talk about with you. The goal is to prevent conflicts or minimize them, we do this by ensuring that those people who have 20 houses give 19 to those who don't have any. It really isn't that hard.
>enforce policy
It would the collective who would enforce these things because they would understand these things serve their own interests best.
>kill people
Duh, selfish cunts who refuse to help their fellow human being deserve the rope. No big loss. The only thing we can do with these egoistic people is to make an example out of them. Bad people would suffer and die, cry me a river.
OP clearly stated that he thinks he is better than others, read again. Also, other posters in this thread and on this site go on parroting bullshit like this.

>>238514
The only thing this will achieve is that "everyone else" who works will get tired of it eventually and kill us non-workers in the end. This is why an egalitarian society is superior, because it reduces crime and class conflicts or eliminates them completely.
>Maybe there is a reason why we are still alive?
Yes, the democratic process that evolved in the last few centuries. Society became more tolerant - but still not to a great extent - towards those who don't contribute to it. So now instead of putting us into prison or actively persecuting us they are more like 'let the free market handle - kill - these losers'. Just look at Sweden, even mass murderers only get like 20 years of prison. You are only alive and exist thanks to the softness and mercy of current society.

>>238522
>projection
We should just ban this word already. It offers no logical argument, calling others' post at this point is shitposting.
>Nobody here is a prostitute
Learn to read, never implies it was the case. I just said our role in society is roughly the same, in other words we don't contribute anything.
>less psychopaths here
Haha, are you sure? Look at this thread, it is full of them. But there is sympathy with the homeless and poor because we belong to the same class. Ask anyone here who has been NEETing for a long time here what his future plans are. I assure you being a homeless bum or ending up in psych ward is among them.

>>238573
The demoralising shill.

>>238573
>spainish civil war is compatible with today's idpol on race (also some bizarre implication that franco and the falangists were allied with stalin)
>i'm an anarchist but not an egoist (despite egoism being central to modern anarcho-communism)
>strange quote of marx despite presenting as an anarchist opposed to state socialism
>i'm an ancom (who presumably admires the spainish cnt) but actually support social democracy (who betrayed the syndicalists) for "reducing" class conflict (?)
I'm going to call this confused ideology neo-ancomism, because it reads like a conservative larping as an anarcho-communist.

>>238503
Completely false. You made a bunch of untrue assertions, and your end part about Communism is just so foolish and naive. Your arguments are about as rational as a man claiming that lions are vegetarians.

>>238507
tesla was the exception, not the rule.

>>238401
The truth is, OP, that the game was rigged from the start. If you’re a truwiz you’ll have experienced a “swarming behavior” that normies have. It’s really scary and hard to understand, but ii’ll describe it as follows:
Normies exclude you, get sick of you quickly, escalate their insults, escalate their aggressiveness from insults to physical pushes, theft of your belongings. Then their leader, or top normie, will incite them to attack you all at once. Suddenly you find yourself railroaded: all the normies are claiming you did things you didn’t. They claim YOU insulted THEM! They claim YOU pushed THEM! They claim YOUstole THEIR belongings! And then to your horror the authority is “in on it “ too. They’ll say they saw you do it. It’s crazy behavior but they’ll do it. And if you get away from them, if any one of them ever gets to interact with new coworkers or classmates of yours in the new location, they’ll poison yojr well there and it will escalate straight to the swarming.
I dont ever have that happen anymore, I’m a wiz, but this all would happen to me back in gradescjool, highschool and until I was 20 when I had enough and quit everything.

This all brings me to my next point: i dont think some of these normies are NPC’s. I have a theory that theg are EVIL versionsof US! Like completely self aware, but pure evil, and they hunt us. Thats why and how they direct the normcattle into this swarming behavior. Im tired so i wont post about it now, but ill try and expand on this theory later.

>>238498
i suppose in that sense they are doing the intelligent thing by allocating their limited mental resources to their most efficient and practical uses

>>238585
His point still stands. Financial success is determined by popularity and conmections, not by merit or intelligence. Tesla’s day was far better than our current day, thinfs were more meritable, but this fact of society still influenced things. Normcattle are scum and prevent the unliked from succeeding.

Why do you think Mark Twain wrote that for every genius you know about, a thousand die every day completely unknown to the world?

>>238573
There are less psychopaths here because most people here know and acknowledge suffering. Normies primarily cause suffering thus have no idea what it's like to be on the of the blade.

>>238573
>You parrot the same bullshit most anti-anarchists say always: "it would lead to bloodbath,blah blah"
Any idea why people do that? Is it pure chance that people come at this conclusion every time?

>It would the collective who would enforce these things because they would understand these things serve their own interests best.
I disagree. What now? Where's that collective understanding? How is it different from the Woke Corporate Democracy we have now?
>Duh, selfish cunts who refuse to help their fellow human being deserve the rope
While at the same time you talk of Hitler and Stalin gettign rid of the unemployed rabble- now the rabble is just who doesn't want to integrate into your dogmatic society.

It's interesting how you complain about parroting. this istelf suggests that there are common complaints which should result in you having strong arguments against those parroted concerns.

>This is why an egalitarian society is superior, because it reduces crime and class conflicts or eliminates them completely.
This is just an assumption and nothing more.

I find the amount of doublethink here staggering. Claiming that the current society seeks to kill off the unemployed while suggesting as a solution a society that would be required to actually kill the noncompliant. Psychopathic.

>>238594
*other side of the blade

>>238575
>spainish civil war is compatible with today's idpol on race (also some bizarre implication that franco and the falangists were allied with stalin)
When did I mention races? And yes, the stalinist communists and fascist forces worked together against the anarchists, learn your history. Not surprising, considering they are very similar ideologies built around the idolazition of a single person or a small elite.
>>i'm an anarchist but not an egoist (despite egoism being central to modern anarcho-communism)
Again, why do you suppose I'm a 'modern' an-com? I simply advocate for a version of an-com I think would benefit everyone generally, especially people like us. About egoism, it is important to distinguish between healthy egoism and the unhealthy egoism that is pushed down our throats nowadays by the capitalists. In a good case, the individual's and the community's interests coincide, they should be the same. I'm an an-com because I want to help others but I also want others to help me. I don't think this makes me the egocentric dick that is the trend nowadays.
>strange quote of marx despite presenting as an anarchist opposed to state socialism
Which quote do you refer to? The distributing stuff according to needs? Are you 12 years old? I'm not a marxist indeed but that doesn't mean I can't learn from someone I disagree with on most topics. The world isn't so simple as you think it is.
>i'm an ancom (who presumably admires the spainish cnt) but actually support social democracy (who betrayed the syndicalists) for "reducing" class conflict (?)
I support direct democracy, however first we need to educate the common people. They need to be explained what should be their interests and if they still refuse to listen, then we need a war where we get rid of people who would make the perfect system impossible. After we got rid of bastards, the elite and its deceivers, then can begin true freedom and democracy only.

>>238584
I'd rather be foolish and naive than some psychopath who has no trouble fucking others up and hurting those who are weaker than him for the sake of some profit. Society has always worked like a pyramid-scheme. It benefits the most cruel and evil people, then the general dumb population who live in (willful) ignorance and then the least those who would like to live like an actual human being who has empathy. Our entire culture is built around the motto of "blessed is he who backstabs his fellow men in order to climb up the social ladder". Fuck this.

>>238589
Having high IQ doesn't mean shit if you don't apply it in the real world. You can be the smartest person in the world yet if you post on imageboards all day nobody will care. Keep feeding your aspie/schizoid self-fantasies but that won't change reality. You aren't the Superman you claim to be. If you were so smart then you would know how to play the game, so to speak. And since you seem to look down on others generally you shouldn't have a problem with succeeding in this system. This system that encourages exploitation and ruthless behavior. So why aren't you a part of the elite? Because you aren't elite material. You are what you are, if you are confused about where you belong just examine your life up until this point. Did you achieve anything worthy of praise or admiration? Did you show signs of a genius? Do you possess great amounts of intellectual or other kind of capital? True geniuses like Tesla went out into the real world and proved themselves. They weren't autistic in the sense that you or me are. Even Nietzsche, despite claiming to be a loner, taught at universities, gave lectures, traveled, etc. You, what did you do in your life besides shitposting and masturbating?

>>238594
Why do we know and acknowledge suffering? Because we receive it. We are part of the abused, exploited, bullied classes of society.

>>238595
People come to the anarchy = violence conclusion because they hear this shit all their lives. If you repeat a lie enough times people will believe it. Traditional societies aren't safer than anarchy, they just hide and disguise violence better.
>Where's that collective understanding?
People are brainwashed and sedated, they need to wake up first. We need to wake them up.
>While at the same time you talk of Hitler and Stalin gettign rid of the unemployed rabble- now the rabble is just who doesn't want to integrate into your dogmatic society.
This is different, Hitler's and Stalin's systems were centered around a small elite. Whether it is the Nazi or Communist Party who wields all the goods it doesn't matter. I'm not against the rabble or the people, I'm with them fully - however, lots of people don't know what is good for them.
>This is just an assumption and nothing more.
The root of most crimes is class conflict. If society was more equal there wouldn't be so many crimes. It is pretty simple and logical. Most criminals aren't sadists or psychos, they know the game is rigged and against them so they searche for other alternatives than wageslaving.
>Claiming that the current society seeks to kill off the unemployed while suggesting as a solution a society that would be required to actually kill the noncompliant. Psychopathic.
I'm not against NEETs, I'm a NEET myself. However, in anarchy work would be voluntary and more fair. Instead of wageslaving for 8 hours for shit pay you would work like 3 hours a day and receive food, clothing, internet for that. Not a bad deal, much better than wageslavery if you ask me. Plus if you fall sick or have some kind of misfortune happen to you you won't have to endure it alone, society will help you and prevent you from going down the drain, unlike current society. And if you are not needed, as in working or helping, you will still receive what you need to survive and basic stuff. Free housing, free intertnet, free food - what is not to like? If you would take away the capital from the I don't know, 1000 richest people in the world and distribute it among people there would be much less poverty and suffering.

>>238575
Ohh, I just realized what you meant by races. You thought when I said whites and stalinists teamed up I meant race? Haha. "White" means fascist or reactionary forces, just like "red" usually refers to marxist-leninists/stalinists.

>>238403
>The Zombies Among Us
>Among Us
SUS

>>238503
I liked your post

>>238606
When you're a NEET now then anarchy will kill you. Especially when you don't have a stable network of friends family and community which you probably don't when you post here.

>>238606
This is the most typical case of an apprentice I could think of:"I don't know what I am yet". See you again in a few years talking about anarchy.

>>238503
Based truth-teller

>>238632
You are confused, yet again. What you think about when you mention anarchy is anarcho-individualism, not anarcho-communism. In anarcho-communism, the community would support its members no matter how productive they are.
What you refer to, an-individualism is just the true form of capitalism, social darwinism. I'm the complete opposite of that. One of the most influential anarchist who lived ever, Jesus of Nazareth pretty well explained what brings 'salvation' - in other words, what is the proper way to live. Give food and drink to those who are hungry and thirsty, clothe those who are naked, visit and care about sick people and those who don't have anyone. Share what you have with the poor. This is the true nature of anarcho-communism, not what you see in movies like Mad Max or other dystopian movies.

>>238633
I am way more self-conscious than your kind ever will be. I know what class I belong to and have a realistic view of myself. You on the other hand delude yourself with false thoughts of superiority.

>>238637
I'm not superior in any way and I'm also not especially intelligent and don't posses higher knowledge. I just realized that whatever I think of society and the universe, abstract thinking in general, doesn't change a damn thing about how things are. Theoretical thinking is a deadlock. It's fun to delve in it and I do it still quite often because of boredom but it will always fail in face of absolute reality.

>>238473
Hey thanks for sharing this site, it's the most interesting link I've clicked on imageboards in a very long time.

But I have to agree with one of the comments on that page. Back when I was forced to take these worthless tests that both the administration of the school and teachers would unenthusiastically pretend were very important but didn't have any bearing on our grades I'd put in just as much effort as you would imagine. One math test I remember answering multiple choice questions randomly.

>>238606
its funny how he thinks national socialism and communism is about a small elite, but anarchy won't be.

It's not even cute at this point. Anarchists, at least, unlike adherents of fascism and communism, will always grow out of it at some point. Simply because it's so self-evidently based on wishful thinking and make-believe. A wizard should know better than assume social cooperation.

>>238637
You are young. Peoppe are not born good like you think they are. The majority of people would eat you alive if they faced no repurcussions. And they’d do it because they think it’s funny. Like cats playing with small animals. It’s not taught to them, it’s not something inflicted on them, they’re just born like that. It’s an active gene or allele that most people have and it gices them that instinct/behavior.

Anarcho-Communism will just result in more of the same predation and cannibalism you see in the current world. Putting your faith in these vampires you call “people” is folly. Right now you’re a young normalgroid and you’re not a wizard. You’ve got a cadre of low-caste friends (probably some gays, two fat bluehaired chicks, and a tranny), and you peddle and recite like parrots the same crap back and forth with eachother. You’re comfortable, but you’re low-caste and you’re desperate for the only way you percieve you can move up in society to work: the spread of some childish political platform of which you ride the coat tails.

You might think muh people, muh city, muh society, and muh friends are great. You’re unthinking unworried and comforted. But When you grow old and lose your usefuleness to them, they’ll turn on you like starving pigs, and you’ll finally understand.

>>238663
I've also come to distrust any societal setup that relies on incorrigle people. To the point where if someone says, "That didn't work in {country X} because of corruption!" (embed related) I immediately think, "You…aren't thinking deep enough buddy." Good systems are corruption-independent. "It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner" and all that.

I would rather live in a socialist country with comfy neetbux than some capitalist hellhole like the US where they solve homelessness by putting spikes everywhere.

>>238663
Very true.
If you've ever had to survive on your own in this world, you would know that normalfags are vicious and selfish pricks. Take whatever you can get in life and keep your head low. Always know your place in society.

>>238671
Let me guess, you're a master race European, aren't you?

Do you like how I've been following you around?

Normies are not humans their are worthless NPCS and forever will be NPCS

>>238648
We are socially inept and reclusive hermits so we will most likely never change anything. However, the question is that IF we had power, how would we use it? I thought about this a lot and I can say that I would use it for the greater good or would try to. I certainly wouldn't care about material goods much besides what is absolutely necessary. I can't even imagine what motivates some people to backstab others and fuck up people's lives in order to be able to buy yet another sports car or another island.

>>238655
Anarcho-communism is the perfect anti-elite society. State supported communism/marxism always ends up being the same shit as other systems or worse, I don't trust any kind of elite or leadership.
What is more naive? Expecting that an elite will rule that will finally take responsibility for its actions and won't be corrupt or a society without elite? When someone bashes anarcho-communism as childish I always ask back "OK, then show me a traditional/non-anarchist society where leaders and the elite don't buttfuck the common people and play by the rules". The only answer I get is just awkward silence. Traditional society doesn't work because it exploits the lower classes and concentrates power into the hands of the aristocracy/elite always. Do people like you ever think about what led to the French Revolution?

>>238663
You put an awful lot of things into my mouth. Where did I say that people are born good? Where did I say that I have friends? Are you directly from /pol/ or what? If someone is an anarchist then he is a normalfag who befriends trannies and gays? Haha, hilarious. But life isn't some anime or comic book where there are the wizardly white conservatives and the anarchist normals, fuck off with this shit. Your monomania is showing again, you suspect blue-haired fat SJWs and trannies everywhere. This is not healthy, wiz. You obviously have some deep mental problems.
But aside from your shitposting, I don't believe people are born good. But it is also delusional to think that the majority are sadists or psychopaths who are only waiting for a chance to torture others. People hurt others who are weaker than them because this shit has been accepted for a long time in history. This is why conservatives or right-wingers say that it is okay to bully others, "it will man you up" according to them. Our entire culture is built around master-slave relationships and the exploitation of the weak.
Oh, and about you and the other poster trying to state that anarchism is only youthful folly, here are my thoughts: being an anarchist in the sense that I mean it is an extremely unpopular opinion among teenagers, just look at /pol/ and other places frequented by teens and early 20s people, they are all egocentric assholes who support national socialism or some other sadistic ideology. You giving the 1000 times repeated lecture about 'how shit humanity is' and how you justify for yourself why you hate your fellow humans is nothing original. Lots of people think like you, sorry to break it to you. This is mainstream thinking nowadays, 'I hate people, fuck them' every second teenager has sentiments akin to this. I would say my humanistic approach that is centered around mercy, justice and equality is the one that is more mature. Once you will realize how short and full of suffering this life is and how much of it we spend on fighting others you will come to your senses, hopefully. Generating more hatred won't lead you anywhere.

>>238667
Where there is an elite and ranks, there is bound to be abuse of power and corruption.

>>238682
You can best counter vicious and selfish people by being meek and altruistic.

>>238722
What makes you believe that in anarcho-communism no elite will be formed? How would anarcho-communism not exploit the weak? Why would the elite of the anarcho-communist system take responsibility? How would it be enforced to take responsibility?
>I always ask back "OK, then show me a traditional/non-anarchist society where leaders and the elite don't buttfuck the common people and play by the rules". The only answer I get is just awkward silence.
Looks like you are around smart people. The only one who didn't get it was you. it's not just our culture that's built around master-slave relationships, its all of mankind and pretty much all mammals worthy of mention. Dunno how whales work it out. maybe whales are the perfect citizens of an anarcho-communist society.

>But it is also delusional to think that the majority are sadists or psychopaths who are only waiting for a chance to torture others
You still didn't address how an anarchist society would deal with those people without a chain of command and enforcers. Oh helpful united citizen action? Alrighty, then.
>Where there is an elite and ranks, there is bound to be abuse of power and corruption.
You may be forgiven, since you are a fellow wizard. But even as a shut-in (or especially because I am one) I realized that rank is not just titles and medals. Rank already establishes itself in kindergarten. Rank is the reason you are here and rank is the reason why in an anarcho-communist society you'll be the first to get excluded by passive aggressive means until you get the message or those means turn into active aggression. And there wouldn't be a higher institution of enforcers who'd protect you because it's their duty and what their wage depends on.
>You can best counter vicious and selfish people by being meek and altruistic.
Worked so well for Jesus

>>238494
>So are programmers, space theorists and software creators.
most of those are normalcattle tho

>>238730
Only when it started to pay. The normies are attracted by the shine of gold.

However they never end up real engineers. succubi, even with a CS degree, only stay in dev for, on average, 3 years. Male normies probably won't stay much longer. Normies will never be "individual contributor" and the reason for that is in its name.

>>238729
Uncle Ted was right about everything

>>238783
His collapse theory is stupid though.

https://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/01/kaczynskis-collapse-theory.html

>>238786
>Kaczynski dismisses the possibility that world-spanning competitors might anticipate the possibility of large correlated disasters,
Blog post is btfo by two words, climate change. Even if for instance you believe this to be a hoax, you can also discuss other key problems the modern world has done nothing about such as current soil erosion, dying insects/animals, and habitats like the great barrier reef being destroyed. There is a very obvious trend showing that the current path of the earth is absolute death for the vast majority of humans, possibly of all humans. Yet competition among nations prevents any real action being taken against it.

Normies are NPCS they are demons like succubus they are here to stole your energy

>>238725
If an elite will be formed then it won't be anarchy anymore. To be more concrete, all selfish people will be eradicated or forced into slavery, the community will protect itself against predators if it gets the necessary education and tools. Anarcho-communism wouldn't exploit the weak because it would exactly benefit them the most. People would voluntarily help others, especially the weak because they would know it is their moral duty.
No, I wouldn't call those people smart who can't give proper counter-arguments. This includes you too. You are evading my question about showing me a non-anarchist society where the elite actually takes responsibility. Either give proof that a society like that exists/existed or shut up. The only kind of "answer" you ever delivered was 'well, what about anarchy?!'.
>it's not just our culture that's built around master-slave relationships, its all of mankind and pretty much all mammals worthy of mention
Heh, typical. You run to your last hope, the last thing you can refer to, Nature. But wiz, my dogs like to lick their balls also so do you think we should follow them in this too? And they like to sniff each others' shit, do you think we should follow their example? Animals do lots of things that is beneath us humans. To try to justify why society treats like utter shit the weaker people and classes you try to project "Nature" and animals onto humans. God. This is embarassing.
>Oh helpful united citizen action? Alrighty, then.
Citizens could deal with criminals better than the elite any day of the week and I will elaborate later in this post why.
>rank
You implying I'm here because of rank? That is a very failed normalfag way of looking at things. How about I'm here because I simply prefer to read books and watch anime instead of socializing in bars and clubs? And now after animals you bring out children. Children copy and do whatever they see the adults doing around them, pretty obvious. If they learn from TV and their parents that they can bully and shit on others then they will do it, surprise. Rank is just titles and medal in most cases buddy, sorry to shatter your naive fantasy. If someone is born to a rich father then he inherits his wealth even though he may be a morally shit person who has no talent whatsoever. Rank just means generally that the elite approves of your existence and considers you as his friend. We see politicians day by day who are stupid as fuck running things simply because they happened to be at the right place at the right time. Rank doesn't actually mean higher IQ/intelligence/wisdom whatever. In society you climb ranks by licking upwards and stomping down, so to speak. You crush the weaker and suck up to those who are ranked higher than you.
>And there wouldn't be a higher institution of enforcers who'd protect you because it's their duty and what their wage depends on.
O, I can't believe you just went and dragged the motherfucking police into this discussion. When was the last time the police protected us, anyway? Probably never. They are great at bullying mentally unstable homeless guys and whores, they are great at beating up and teargasing peaceful protest events, they are great at fining your last money out of your pockets based on some stupid pretext, they are great at moving families out of their homes who can't pay the ridiculous amounts of interests the bank demands of them, yeah what virtuous heroes they are! No, seriously. Fuck these assholes. They go after the ordinary citizen and bother him because he went slightly faster than accepted or because he faps to lolis in his room or because he smoked some weed yet they try to avoid any confrontation with the actual criminals and tough guys who can fight/shoot back. Or rather, they avoid doing any work that takes slightly more effort than drinking coffee. The police or other authority figures like teachers, doctors, etc never protected me, they always take the sides of the bastards who start shit. Where was the police when someone stole one of my wheels from my bicycle? Where was the police when a normalfag was molesting my sister on the street, in daylight? She was a little succubus at the time and the guy was playing with his dick in front of her and didn't leave her alone. They didn't do anything in either cases. My father had to go and beat up both the fucker who stole my wheel and the pig who molested my sister. The police don't give a damn about you or me, they are way too occupied with protecting the elite and their family and friends and fining the shit out of common people like us. In fact, do you actually put your trust in these worthless normalfags? I knew some kids back in high school who went to work at law enforcement. They were either complete whores or degenerate normalfag bullies themselves.
It is exactly because they get paid to do it and they don't do it out of a sense of justice or virtue. They don't want to protect anyone, they just wait until their hours end so they can finally go home. They only pursue actual criminals when it is absolutely necessary for them to do so, most of the time they don't do shit for their money besides bullying people like us. They aren't different from assassins, bodyguards and thugs, they like the dogs they are follow blindly whatever the elite wants.
You think they are protecting you yet if they received order that they needed to round up all useless males and send them to death camps they would oblige with a smile on their faces. They would wake you up tomorrow morning and escort you to the nearest train station to send you to the gulag or death camp. After all, they would be just following the law right? And the law is good and beneficial for all of us, right? Grow up, seriously.
>Worked so well for Jesus
He never died on the cross but this is another topic. It worked well for him, considering he was a poor, lower class jew, the son of the carpenter yet he is one of the most famous and widely quoted people who ever lived.

>>238938
>If an elite will be formed then it won't be anarchy anymore
you are clsoing in onto the truth. Anarchy doesn't exist. Or it only exists for a few hours. As soon as humans come together hierarchies form. Even in ranked society hierarchies form withint people of equal rank. Anarchy is often described as a power vacuum that is unsustainable. This is so self-evident and clear that most people grow out of anarchist ideologies before reaching 20 years of age.

I have also noticed that pure intelligence doesn't always converse to consciousness. Many people who are absolute geniuses at math are normie to the extreme when it comes to daily life.

>>238503
Based.
Death to the west.

I disagree with the idea that dumb normalfags are not conscious. They obviously experience their collectivist reasoning, dumb thoughts and instinctive desires. The lack of independence and creativity doesn't indicate that there's literally nothing going on inside.

>>238507
>Tesla

He did it quite great, yet got wiped at wraith level, yup.

The (((level)))… if you still manage to make wizardom bearable while you live.