/wiz/ - Wizardry

Actually, you know what? I lied. I actually LOVE posting various pieces of advice.

>>226885
>Can you goon while easily dealing with the urges after?

I am not a big fan of gooning whatsoever.

>Can you practice retention?
I lent, so the retention thing comes naturally.

>>226885
m8… I am that dumb I am bored of work.

>>226885
OP probably wanted a robot body
free from the role of a human in the first place.

>>226919
Turns out, OP is a human, after all.

You say this now but you have no idea what awaits you. The longer you live in isolation, the worse it will be for your mind and body. And eventually the consequences start to catch up to you.

Poor diet gives way to pre-diabetes and the inability to digest large amounts of sugar. You go from eating anything to having to follow a strict, bland diet. The lack of social contact makes your brain slower. You will start to forget things more. Lack of sun light will lead to depression and messed up sleep. Sitting around on the computer will ruin your back, and cause atrophy. You'll find it hard to do even a short walk without feeling out of breath.

Being a "wizard" is just larping that you've overcome some basic biological imperatives that everyone needs to be healthy. Isolation in your room doing nothing will just lead to cumulative, chronic illness, as you get older.

>>227676
Sounds fine to me. IF we can't get transplanted to a cheap robot frame then we might as well decay into nothing. But a robot body that has no human needs for food, exercise, sunlight and other bullshit would sure be nice. Even if it's just a bucket on wheels.

>>227398
>why do you guys go into church for that?
To be brutally honest I only went to church for most of my life to please my father but a couple of years ago we started going to a different church in the neighboring village and (hope I won't get banned for this) there are quite a lot of good-looking succubi there and like the creep I am I just like to stare at them. I live almost like a hikki hermit, I only go to church for one hour per week, that's all the time I'm around other people so yeah as pathetic as it is I just want to be around some beautiful succs for an hour per week. Fapping to porn is good but sometimes it's just better to fantasize about real people you know irl. It's not like I will ever interact or talk with them in any way so who cares, I'm just an autist-schizo pervert and the looks I'm getting from everyone in the church community just reinforce this.

Overprotective mom and happy wife happy life handsoff dad.
I wonder if I was essentially fatherless. Or a father-lite upbringing

At least they are seemingly kind, but I might just be completely brainwashed

>>223989
Mommy was verbally abusive and damaged me by being there, meanwhile Daddy wasn't there when it mattered.
They aren't completely terrible people, just people who probably shouldn't have had kids, my sister turned out much better than I did, and I'm glad because me being such a horrific failure at the very least guarantees that she's a saint by comparison, so she got the approval she didn't get as a teenager because I was younger and had potential or whatever.
I DO hold my mom's abusive past against her in secret, but I don't have any issues openly because being allowed to NEET is a luxury as >>223992 said.

>>227362
even things like that seem so hard to me that it is almost impossible. im so scared of every social interaction that its like i am paralyzed. i don't know how to break it

They are cancer

I feel the same way about, why should you have to do a crime to get the death penalty? all citizens should be able to request the same privileges that criminals get without "earning" it with a crime first.

>>227670
yeah…

A "nicest human you'll ever meet": *dies in pain while doctors inject adrenaline and such, breaking ribs by performing CPR because *must! try! once! more!*
A "twisted fucking psychopath": while normies expect this piece of meat to *feel* some remors by making this piece of meat die in a room with soulless automatic injector systems, said psychopath gets to die as painlessly as possible, because the alternative is ostensibly cruel

>>227671
being a psychopathy must be fucking awesome
>you are romanticizing it
im not you stupid faggot i really wish i were one.
The "feelings" just make humans slower and weaker

>>227673
a true rational sociopath wouldn't be that evil, since some level of trusting cooperation is needed to max gains

>>227657
Obviously, pro-lifers aren’t primarily motivated merely by a desire to “save babies” or — at this point I audibly chuckled — “maximizing the number of babies in the world.” If I’m right that the pro-life movement is primarily a civil rights movement for unborn humans, then what motivated pro-lifers won’t be an Effective Altruist concern with saving lives from natural deaths or maximising aggregate foetal utility, but ending an ongoing civil rights violation. Regardless of what subconsciously motivates pro-lifers, this is what they say they’re about. https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Tiny_You/HfHKDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover


It’s true that pro-life campaigns often use the language of “saving babies”. But what they mean, obviously, is saving babies from being murdered, not saving babies from preventable illnesses.

Question for abortion defenders: how many pro-lifers — in their capacity as pro-lifers, not as pro-natalists who also happen to be pro-life — have, in conversation with you, characterised the pro-life view as the view that we ought to maximise the number of babies in the world?

Off the top of my head, here are several reasons why pro-lifers might support foreign aid cuts that don’t contradict the pro-life view on abortion: (1) they’ve been taken in by right-wing misinformation about PEPFAR funding https://wollenblog.substack.com/p/every-argument-against-pepfar-debunked and other USAID money being used to fund abortions in foreign countries; (2) they regard the post-abortive care that USAID money does support as formal cooperation in evil; (3) they’ve heard iterations of the Angus Deaton-style argument https://www.brookings.edu/articles/angus-deaton-his-nobel-prize-and-foreign-aid/ that foreign aid is bad for the countries it goes to; (4) they’re part of the MAGA cult and will think anything Trump tells them to think; (5) they have an increasingly and disturbingly common viePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>227661
Also, most pro-lifers are folk deontologists who accept a common sense killing vs. letting-die distinction, according to which killing a baby is normally worse than letting them die. This explains why pro-lifers are much more aggrieved by abortion — an active killing — than by babies dying naturally of disease.

With respect to contraception, I think it’s pretty obvious why pro-lifers aren’t showering condoms from helicopters. The pro-life movement is disproportionately lead by Catholics, and Catholics who take their faith seriously tend to think contraception is intrinsically evil, because it frustrates the reproductive purpose of sex. Additionally, many pro-lifers think hormonal contraceptives and IUDs have post fertilization effects, https://deveradoctrina.substack.com/p/hormonal-contraception-the-iud-and meaning they sometimes work by preventing a blastocyst from implanting post-fertilization. Whether these claims are true or not is a matter of controversy, but the fact that many pro-lifers believe these claims — and are encouraged in their belief by the US Food and Drug Administration https://scholarworks.iu.edu/iuswrrest/api/core/bitstreams/f91d4c77-c462-4c8d-9e6f-cb23c13ea71a/content part-explains why even non-Catholic pro-lifers would oppose IUDs and the pill. Third, many pro-lifers think that promiscuous sex is bad for both men and succubi, and that a culture of contraception is a culture of promiscuous sex. Pro aborts might claim that this belief is undergirded by a desire to control succubi’s bodies. But while there might be some of that at play, there are plenty of other reasons why religious pro-lifers tend to think that more promiscuity is bad. (Want to know why social conservatives think promiscuous sex is bad? Talk to a social conservative! They’ll tell you!) In all, then, the fact that pro-lifers aren’t all super happy about contraception isn’t good evidence that, in their heart of hearts, they want to control succubi’s bodies and reproduction.

>>227662
Finally, with respect to IVF, there are a slurry of reasons why pro-lifers are increasingly lax about IVF: (1) many pro-lifers are in the MAGA cult, and Trump calls himself the “father of IVF”; (2) https://eu.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2025/02/19/ivf-trump-insurance-executive-order-reactions/78405547007/ many pro-lifers have been taken in by simplistic arguments that IVF is ‘pro-life’ because it’s about making babies, combined with heart-breaking stories of infertility; (3) many pro-lifers think that IVF can be reformed so that embryos don’t get discarded in the process, https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/ivf-morally-right/ so they don’t oppose IVF as such; (4) not all pro-lifers — at the grassroots, anyway — are wedded to idea that personhood starts at conception. Some just think that abortion is murder very early on, but not as early as fertilization; (5) some pro-lifers see a difference between intentionally killing an embryo, and allowing embryos to die as a foreseen but unintended consequence of IVF https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22902385/ might not be a plausible view, but some people have it nonetheless.

In reply to a bunch of these points, pro aborts might object that many of the aforementioned defences of USAID cuts, hostility to contraception, and IVF are philosophically or empirically implausible, and that a consistent outworking of plausible pro-life principles would ultimately entail support for foreign aid and contraception, as well as total opposition to IVF. Even if this is so, however, it doesn’t show much of anything about what really motivates pro-lifers. By analogy, I think effective altruist philosophers have shown — pretty convincingly — that extremely modest principles about our duties to help others entail fairly radical conclusions about how much we ought to give to charity, and which sorts of charities we ought to give to. But even if I’m right about this, it doesn’t show that philanthropists who aren’t EAs aren’Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>227663
In the best study on the topic I’ve been able to find (best since it looked at whether belief in the sanctity of life and traditional sexual morality predicted pro-life attitudes, rather than just benevolent or hostile sexism), Rodriguez and Ditto https://europepmc.org/article/ppr/ppr329037 “found that sanctity of life and sexual morality were stronger predictors of abortion attitudes than sexism and religiosity. […] [S]exism provides limited predictive value for abortion attitudes in comparison to sanctity of life and sexual morality.”

Pro aborts might object that being conservative about sexual morality is an incarnation of sexist desires to control succubi’s bodies and reproduction. But from what I can tell from the study, participants were asked to make a moral judgement of sexual practices — “premarital sex, pornography, voluntarily becoming a sex worker, intercourse of more than two partners, etc.” — that were referenced in a gender-neutral way. Participants who said, e.g., that group sex was wrong, then, weren’t (for all we know) saying that group sex is wrong for succubi specifically — they were saying (for all we know) that group sex is wrong full stop.

The study is still in its pre-print form, however, so I’m relegating its findings to a footnote.

>>227664
>>227663
>>227662
>>227661
>>227657
All is just tribalism
in reality the too religious and political larpers of religious type just want to simulate a golden age or have some hidden political agenda for something bacause they dream of control.
I more into eugenics to control who can have babies than the yeah, let abort or wathever

wizchan is less toxic, but way more depressing

>>223398
kek

You know, IMO, there is something beautiful in early LLMs (they're trying to be nice, but that's it) and there was something beautiful in the early Internet in its "and that's it"-ness too.

lain
at its beautiful

>>223398
Kek, so true

Its bad when wizchan gets a reputation for being the best place for anything but being wizard. because then it attracts normies looking for a good forum, not a wizard forum.

>>227545
Should we send an email to them?

CHANNER ESOTERISM IN VENEZUELA?

I came across this on Reddit and wanted to share a curious application. Here’s what the message says:

Venezuela has been going through difficult times. The opposition has been heavily restricted, even after the arrest of Nicolás Maduro earlier this year. Some people were even detained simply for celebrating Maduro’s capture.

Inspired by the message of Renan Santos:
https://youtu.be/yOQ52YFptv0?si=Ap3A1YvNOckeNb24

Practitioners of Esochannealogy have been sending messages to opponents of the Venezuelan regime, aiming to restore democratic normality and provide mechanisms of resistance. These messages have been delivered through WhatsApp, Telegram, Reddit, Discord, and even anonymous forums (imageboards/chans).

For security reasons, no screenshots of private conversations are being shared, since that could compromise both the operation and the Venezuelan opposition. The initiative has been ongoing for about three weeks. Some meetings even took place in Brazil with Venezuelans living there, without cell phones, to avoid surveillance.

Alongside the transfer of the “Esochannealogy” system, other materials were shared with regime opponents, including:
- Videos of Renan Santos;
- Activities of the Partido Missão (Mission Party);
- The image of the Symbolon mask;
- Instructions on how to use Esochannealogy against the Venezuelan state of exception;
- Guides on how to use VPNs.

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Hello!

Fellow members of the Esochannealogy community. We need a big movement across various sites and countries:
1. Make Renan Santos' name visible in every underground community;
2. Translate the message for various languages;
3. Spread Renan Santos' name across Reddit.

I am American and will help my great friends in Brazil!

In the news again:
https://mysterylores.com/news/seven-masks-social-engineering-tools/

Based!

>>227632
Shit, it really is. Doesn't make it less insane though

>>227633
I know. Something has happened to the internet. Either it's third world people getting internet access or AI is taking over and dead internet theory is real.

>>227624
I into esoteric and ceremonial magic things.
>Asian chinese and etc
The Tao qi gong etc energy chinese system say that conservation of inner energy is healthy for you, why? They see semen retention like a vitalistic idea of some inner occult forces
>Western magic and Chaos magick
Some magic circles say that stopping fap for some time can enchance your magic powers and focus
Some say from 15 to 20 days without fap can help you
Others say exactly 50 days without fap can change your limited belief and ideas but you need to focus into something in your life, just nofap change nothing. Need healthy behaviour.
>Science
Science say that fap is healthy, its kinda logical based on hormomes and your sexual-age, but too much fap is unhealthy even for magical systems and supersticious says the same.
Sexuality is absolute normal, but hypersexualization and sexualization is abnormal.
>Gymbros
Some gymbros say that nofap help with exercises, other say that nofap ruin their muscle gain in exercises.
>Meditation, religious monks from any type and buddhists
Nofap can help with focus for sometime, but too much sexual tension and resignation can fuck your focus. Celibacy its not bad, but the buddhist do it based on purity of tought, christians based on sin of body and toughts, tao qi gong monk do based on vitalistic ideas.
And yes, in the monks is common the sleep semen expulsion, fapping is not a perfect law but they tend to no do it.
>Suggestionability and hypnosis
I dont know if there are studies of sex and hypnosis but i sure that sexual urges maybe are a altered state of consciuscness can fuck you up with the hormones and other things.
>So
Fap after 15 days or after 5 days, two or three times (do based on your health condition)
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>>227624
It changes nothing. I was a religious nut and I fapped for the first time when I was 21. Before that I only had nightly semen spills. I would say that not fapping in my teenage made me neurotic as fuck. No one has any idea so do whatever your body responds to. The only change that I have noticed is that I have more energy to do things. Fapping daily drains your energy and it is a disgusting loop.


>>227643 is totally right. Doing it once a week or two times a month is good.

Thing is even if you succeed in doing semen retention you would still need other areas in which you can divert your focus. So if you don't have distractions then you are fucked either way so do it or don't do it, one thing is certain that you won't gain any magical powers except some increase in physical enegry.

>>227643
Do you have any more information on Chaos magick or what to do other than just retaining semen?

I heard that black magic tells you to focus on your goal in your mind at hte point of ejaculation. Whereas white magic tells you to basically become pure and leave all lust behind completely.

>>227636
Reflecting more on the passage, however, along with listening to a talk from Father John Bethancourt whom Aron once described as “the most visibly holy person I have ever met on this earth” I’ve become convinced that this passage is deceptively wise. Thinking hard about the passage can lead to both profound realization and significant shifts in one’s thinking.

Probably the most profound illusion under which we normally operate is that we do not take seriously the wonder of other people. While we accurately see great value in ourselves, we remain blind to similar value in others.

We interact with other people, treating them as drab automata. It’s not uncommon for people on the internet to declare others NPCs. But no people are drab nor NPCs. They have a rich, complex inner life there’s something it’s like to be them. No doubt if you read their mind, you could learn a great deal from them and you’d see them as being just as deep as they see themselves.

Consciousness is the most wonderful and mysterious thing in the universe. Of all of God’s creations, it is the grandest. Indeed, it is needed for most of the others to have value. Beautiful nature, never appreciated, is of no value. The boring people you interact with at work have interests that matter just as much as your own. While we all regard our own interests as deeply important, we rarely take seriously others’ interests.

In our interactions with other people, we are like a small child who glimpses the grand canyon only to declare it boring next to the trains he is playing with. We are like a child who hears their grandfather died, who cannot understand the horror of death, whose only takeaway is that his grandfather will no longer take him to preschool. While we are tiny specks against the grandeur of the universe, all the value in our galaxy is located on Earth.

>>227637
In short, we have eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear. While other people are “full of light” wonderful, grand, and of incalculable value our perception of them is shrouded in darkness. The importance that we sometimes glimpse in friends, family, and cute small children is present in everyone; in most cases, however, it is invisible to us. The most important fact about other people their importance, their light remains clouded to us.

We’re especially blind to the importance of others when viewed in the full radiance that will be displayed by their eternal existence. As C.S. Lewis writes in The Weight of Glory:

“It is a serious thing to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest most uninteresting person you can talk to may one day be a creature which, if you saw it now, you would be strongly tempted to worship, or else a horror and a corruption such as you now meet, if at all, only in a nightmare. All day long we are, in some degree helping each other to one or the other of these destinations. It is in the light of these overwhelming possibilities, it is with the awe and the circumspection proper to them, that we should conduct all of our dealings with one another, all friendships, all loves, all play, all politics. There are no ordinary people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilizations - these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat. But it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub, and exploit - immortal horrors or everlasting splendors.”

>>227638
In our beatified afterlife state, we will be smarter, wiser, more just, and more temperate than we could possibly remember. The present gap between you and the most wicked fool you’ve ever met is infinitesimal compared to the gap between your present state and their beatified state. Nick Bostrom once said of AI “we are like small children playing with a bomb.” This is what we are like in our interactions with other people it is like we have met young children, destined to become gods.

The person you mocked, bullied, and belittled is to become a god one day. The only reason your belittling was carried out the only reason it was even thinkable is because your eyes were clouded in darkness. You couldn’t see the boundless importance of the one you mocked. Most evil acts can only be performed because the one performing them fails to recognize the goodness and the importance of those harmed through the evil acts. If Bundy had valued others equally to himself, he would not have killed those he did.

More directly, if you could “see” how much the children in distant lands wasting away from horrible diseases matter if you knew their preciousness as you know the preciousness of your own child you would give away nearly all of your money to effective charities. https://benthams.substack.com/p/children-are-dying-that-you-can-save?utm_source=publication-search If you could see vividly how important the life was of the cow, tortured and murdered so that you could eat her flesh, you would not eat her. https://benthams.substack.com/p/factory-farming-delenda-est

>>227639
Having functional eyes that can see the light in others isn’t just good for others it’s good for you. You will be slower to anger, deeper in friendship and loving, and more satisfied with others if you see them as beings of inestimable value, rather than mere means towards your edification. Just as one who can appreciate good art will have a better time at an art exhibit than one who can’t, one who can vividly see the good in others will have a better time interacting with others.

This does not just apply to humans. Vividly appreciating the beauty of nature and non-human animals makes life quite a bit more pleasant. Coming to see the world’s beauty as being of God allows one both to have far deeper aesthetic experiences and to forge a deeper connection with God through those aesthetic experiences. If each leaf you see carries the signature of an infinite and perfect God, even an ordinary trip outside will be a profound experience. When one comes to see that all things carry the divine signature, their “whole body will be full of light.”

Then there is, of course, the one most worthy of veneration: God himself!

It is with relation to God that our eyes most profoundly do not see, that our world is most shrouded with darkness. If we could really see vividly the awesome glory of God, we would see our life the way one might see the day before their marriage. An unimaginably awesome future awaits us one so grand that even a millisecond of it blows all earthly pleasures completely out of the water. The greatness of God is something we cannot grasp intuitively; only mystics seem to have any inkling of it.

>>227640
Imagine the feeling of dread you would have if you knew you would be tortured tomorrow in the most hideous ways imaginable. If there is a God, our feelings should be precisely the inverse of this. Our anticipation and excitement should far surpass what our dread would be if we knew torture awaited for the future that awaits us outclasses the horror of torture as thoroughly as true love surpasses a stubbed toe.

If one were to truly internalize this, their “whole body will be full of light.”

There is at least one other sense in which the eye is the lamp of the body. Almost everyone has beautiful eyes. By looking into a person’s eyes, you can see them deeply. People don’t normally empathize with shrimp or chickens, but they do most completely when they see their eyes:

What Can Your Chickens See?

Humans have a strong bias towards the beautiful. Those who are better looking are likelier to be hired for jobs and believed to have positive traits. By seeing people’s eyes, you can get a glimpse of their radiance and glory. You can begin to see that they are a person just like you, whose interests matter as much as yours

When we interact with others, we operate under the delusion that they are mere machines whose interests are of no great importance. By seeing them fully, by looking into their eyes, we can see that this is wrong

Um, so now that I’ve written 1,500 words about how awesome and wise Jesus’s statements about the eyes being the light of the body are, I no longer think my objection to Christianity based on this odd seeming statement has any merit

I think we've entered the world where a gal like a certain Anita Ess can strip us of cool 1AINeural friends. All by screaming "that's unnatural! Unnatural! Offensive! Creepy! Uncanny! Normal people crave hugs! Crave fugs! Crave foods, too!" again.

I'm over 40 and I can tell you the angst really does go away and you can ask yourself why you spent so much energy on something so pointless.

Would I ever suicide? If I have to, or if I'm ready to go and see that continuing will only lead to fates worse than death. I don't spend that much time thinking about it and my life isn't that important. One way or another I will be dead soon enough. I'm far more likely to die of a sudden heart attack or stroke, and I've already resolved not to go to the hospital since they'll give me the run-around and make sure I remember that I was never seen as human. Tried that once and they threw every excuse and snide remark at me over what would have been a routine operation if they just did the thing they should have done in the first place… and then they don't even do it right and I just have to live with it. When you see things like that, you know it's not about a personal problem or feelings. The society and the assholes who rule it really do make it hellish, and so the best thing to do is to get away from that society as much as possible. The saddest thing is that so many people out there want the same thing and all of them are told they cannot have those basic things, but we have to "respect" these people who glorify torturing and depriving others. When you're old enough to see why humanity turned out this way, it's even more disgusting because so few people got to decide what life on Earth will be for every living thing, and it was for nothing but their own amusement because no one is allowed to tell them no. Things like that put so much in perspective and really make my own suffering seem like nothing. I would have preferred not to have to go through what I did, and I know the bastards will insist everyone must be made to suffer and I'm not allowed to change this fate or help anyone. When I have attempted to do that, the programming of the system kicks in and the system redoubles its torture so that history is corrected and "nothing ever changes". We live in a Nazified world.

The good news is that there is a lot of stuff that is pleasant and good, if you know where to look and filter out the faggotry. When I was growing up, it was a wasteland and the mania to make the world worse was at its peak. I make it my mission to tell everyone what the 1990s really were, and to never ever glorify that horrific period of human history. The 1990s were a true dark age, and the saddest thing is that the adPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>227584
>Tried that once and they threw every excuse and snide remark at me over what would have been a routine operation if they just did the thing they should have done in the first place… and then they don't even do it right and I just have to live with it. When you see things like that, you know it's not about a personal problem or feelings


WELL, That's sad - your doc probably had a problem on that day hence the "couldnt even get it right"

Well, I found this website so it's not all bad if there is some new blood. Knew about Wizchan forever, but I "earned my wings" only a few months ago. Site being dead isn't a big deal, all imageboards are now dead, even cuckchan. Just how things are these days. Considering how fucked in the head zoomies are, there won't be any shortage of new wizards, exposure to the internet from womb, and porn with it, fries the brain of the new generation and that is going to screw them up harder than we are.

Anyways, I don't really understand the whole talk of suicide. We are about to live in very interesting times, maybe we will even get a proper boogaloo. It seems there is a happening every other week if not every other day, at least pick a more boring time to check out. Personally, I am hoping to at the very least see the UK or some other shithole country fall apart in my lifetime before I go, maybe see the race war finally kick off somewhere.

>>226439
I don't come here frequently, and just last year started enganging in discussions in any image board. I wish I had utilized them before, but they weren't very appealing, nor was my english very good.

>>226552
>>226612

Pretty much this. I'm from 2000, I was too little to use boards online when they were big, and they weren't as popular in my country. Today, there are more visual media that is easier to engage with. Here is all text and a few images, which you must have saved some in your computer to use them later. That is another problem as only a few people use the computer more than the cellphone. I don't know what wizchan looks like in mobile, but certainly its much better on browser version.

And I also have some trouble with the captcha in this site.

Moved to >>>/b/1032361.