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 No.227680[Reply]

you know what would be nice? a way to further leave our humanity behind. free from the urges of the flesh, keeping only the love for anime, vidya, music, movies, perhaps food (though i would dispense that one personally). only the basic joys that life offers, the kind that allows me to have them independent of companionship.

in essence, a mecha, a robot, a machine that doesn't seek to harm but it is able to defend itself, enabling a life free from society, free from others, making them completely optional. i know that this is partly possible in human form, as my desire for the opposite sex begins to die down at the level 34.

but as this desire dies, leaving no trace of want or disdain, only cold indifference as the age progresses, a disconcerting peace takes place, along with the existential questions.

where to go from here? driving a car with no destiny, maybe that gives a high. once that is done, now what? maybe watching evangelion for the gorillionth time. making a new food or kicking the ball randomly. i don't know, i guess i am not used to this much freedom.

winning the struggle of the flesh comes with a price after all. "where to go from here?", the question comes up again, along with the image of a child looking up to you, holding your hand.

and that child is you.
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 No.227682

This is what Walter Pater suggested in his artistic menifesto. That whole art for art's sake philosophy.

Thing is you're never alone. If you care deeply about something eventually you'll find autists like yourself. It's not necessary but it is nice to talk about the things that you enjoy with someone else.

But yeah you're right. "Now what?" Is a trouble. Whole life is a just a distraction so I guess survive until your death.

 No.227683

just keep indulging in dilettantism until it’s mandated that you shall live no more

 No.227685

>>227682
>If you care deeply about something eventually you'll find autists like yourself.
i get that, but the people involved never matches my worldviews, i often feel like an alien invading someone's space because of that, which further fuels my will to lock myself inside a bubble.
>>227683
i guess that is all that is left.

 No.227686

>>227681
lmao i luv you wizbro.
>free from the urges of the flesh
your desire to watch animu instead of doing shit is an urge of flesh.

 No.227689

>>227686
:)


 No.222413[Reply]

So I'm "lucky" to live with my parents and leeching them off as a pathetic NEET.
If I go to work, how will that benefit me?
I won't be able to afford a new PC since it costs a shitton of money. Okay maybe I could afford a laptop for a black day when my PC dies.
I wouldn't be able to move out. I wouldn't be able to afford anything life-changing (education, flat, car).
Basically I wouldn't be able to afford anything. And additionally, I'd be incredibly suicidal like most of the day because i'm an autistic weak mentally pathetic NEET who can't survive society and work in the first place, anyway.

What are the pros towards trying to find a job as a 30+ years old NEET as opposed to trying to kill myself painlessly?
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 No.227604

Never work, it just destroys your mind. I saw my dad working a government job(so he has a decent salary) for 40 years and he would barely survive everything good we have comes from inherited money.
Starting a business today is the same, every market is saturated and making a living requires even more effort than a traditional wage. Not only that, you also have to pay half of your income to the state if you live in a developed country, there is taxation on sales and on income.
My suggestion is to forget about money and dive into an ascetic life.

 No.227610

I have a guess that the reason work is so depressing is the lack of community. I don't have a big problem when my parents ask me to do errands. It's inconvenient but doable. I don't have a problem helping my relatives with something. They had been very nice to me so "being useful" to them actually makes me happy. The problem with modern jobs is how hostile the environment is. Sometimes directly, sometimes it's the mere alienation from having no connection, no autonomy and no safety. It's a people's problem rather than a laziness problem. I think that if society invented a zero-human-contact work supervising system where you're just told what to do without a human mind perceiving your existence it'll absorb a big portion of the NEET population.

 No.227614

>>227610
I agree with you. A workplace where people actually like each other would be great. But in this world everyone wants to get ahead.

 No.227615

>>227610
yeah, jobs would be doable if they were actually about doing the job instead of being adult daycares where you have to speak to a bunch of brain dead middle age adults and form relationships with them against your will, and be judge by them. jobs are the natural extension of high school where relationships are more important than actually learning anything. The life of a normie is mediocre, hypocritical and masochistic. i guess since AI and computers do everything these days the workplace became a purely social place for people who believe they are doing something with their lives ignoring the obvious fact their job could be quickly automated and replaced.

 No.227688

>>227597
well, define it how you like, but income-wise that's still much closer to firstie western europe than it is to places commonly considered third world in the mainstream. my monthly income is literally 10x the median for a jeet.


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 No.223989[Reply]

My mom was an airhead who barely learned to read and write. She grew in poverty and she's obsessed with being poor and loves watching videos of people in extreme poverty. Despite all that she is a narcissistic cunt who thinks she's superior to everyone and loves to humilliate people every chance she gets. She got with my dad because she thought he was rich. No matter how much money she gets she tries to spend it all as soon as she gets it. As a kid, she constantly told me that she didn't love me and that I ruined her life, everytime my dad left the house she used to beat me. Everytime I'm around her, she makes sure to make hurtful comments, completely unprovoked, and loves to shame me in front of people. I know that part of my low self-steem is because of her. She always made me feel like I was worth nothing.

My dad was a musician that eventually became a moderately famous photographer for a national newspaper. He was a decent man when I was a kid, but eventually he started to beat my mom and me, he also kicked us out of the house plenty of times. His so called "fame" got the better of him and became a womanizer. He spent most of his money on succubi and came back home with nothing. That obviously caused more fights that always ended with me having to mop my mother's blood off the floor and having to call an ambulance to get her to the hospital. The beatings only caused my mom to resent me even more for "ruining her life". I was just an elementary school kid when all of these things happened and they continued to happen until I was 17. On top of that I was getting bullied at school, so I came back home from getting bullied to find my parents trying to kill each other.

Now almost a couple of decades later, I'm stuck with two aging parents who believe that I "owe" them for the hell they put me though. Needless to say, I hate them. And even though I feel some "love" for them as a son and know that I will cry them when they finally die. A part of me will find relief when that happens.
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 No.227407

Overprotective mom and happy wife happy life handsoff dad.
I wonder if I was essentially fatherless. Or a father-lite upbringing

At least they are seemingly kind, but I might just be completely brainwashed

 No.227547

>>223989
Mommy was verbally abusive and damaged me by being there, meanwhile Daddy wasn't there when it mattered.
They aren't completely terrible people, just people who probably shouldn't have had kids, my sister turned out much better than I did, and I'm glad because me being such a horrific failure at the very least guarantees that she's a saint by comparison, so she got the approval she didn't get as a teenager because I was younger and had potential or whatever.
I DO hold my mom's abusive past against her in secret, but I don't have any issues openly because being allowed to NEET is a luxury as >>223992 said.

 No.227552

>>227362
even things like that seem so hard to me that it is almost impossible. im so scared of every social interaction that its like i am paralyzed. i don't know how to break it

 No.227678

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They are cancer

 No.227687

>>227381
>>227367
In a sense you are like my parents. My grandparents are/were all educated people of reasonably high social status, while both my parents are the biggest deadbeat losers of their own respective families.

Now I income-mog them both substantially and have PhD.

I think this shit goes in cycles of two generations to some extent.


 No.226190[Reply]

>Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you
>You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish

Is killing doctors who perform abortions morally justified?
Most people would say it's morally justified to shoot and kill someone else if they're about to stab a toddler in the back.
So if it's morally justified for a random person to shoot and kill someone else to prevent them from stabbing a toddler in the back why would it be immoral to kill an abortionist?
If you don't kill the abortionist they will kill a baby
>It's not an imminent threat
What is immenent? Sounds arbitrary. If an abortionist is driving to their workplace where they abort babies is that immenent? If an abortionist is in an abortion clinic in a room alone with a pregnant patient and is about to perform an abortion is that immenent? Is killing an abortionist who is a couple minutes or less away from performing an abortion on a healthy baby and consenting mother not morally justified?
>Abortions shouldn't be killed because it'll have externalities like making pro lifers look crazy which will cause more babies to die

Where's the evidence of this? Someone else could just say that the fact that anti abortion/pro life violence is so incredibly extremely rare is good evidence pro lifers don't consider abortion to be murder and pro life ideology should not be taken seriously. If abortionists were murdered more often more people might be more willing to take seriously the idea that abortion is truly murder.

Also this is utilitarian thinking which most pro lifers (especially religious ones) don't normally use in other circumstances but now choose to cherry pick when they'll use it? What about choosing to die rather than kiss a Quran? What about choosing to die instead of denouncing Jesus? What about spending ten thousand dollars on a vacation to the Caribbean instead of donating ten thousand dollars to against malaria foundation to save the life of at least one child under 5?
Pro lifers choose to be utilitarians all the sudden?

Another problem with this utilitarian line of thinking is I find it hard to believe both utilitarianism is true and God is real at the same time. If God is real and utilitarianism is true then why is there so much sufPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>227661
Also, most pro-lifers are folk deontologists who accept a common sense killing vs. letting-die distinction, according to which killing a baby is normally worse than letting them die. This explains why pro-lifers are much more aggrieved by abortion — an active killing — than by babies dying naturally of disease.

With respect to contraception, I think it’s pretty obvious why pro-lifers aren’t showering condoms from helicopters. The pro-life movement is disproportionately lead by Catholics, and Catholics who take their faith seriously tend to think contraception is intrinsically evil, because it frustrates the reproductive purpose of sex. Additionally, many pro-lifers think hormonal contraceptives and IUDs have post fertilization effects, https://deveradoctrina.substack.com/p/hormonal-contraception-the-iud-and meaning they sometimes work by preventing a blastocyst from implanting post-fertilization. Whether these claims are true or not is a matter of controversy, but the fact that many pro-lifers believe these claims — and are encouraged in their belief by the US Food and Drug Administration https://scholarworks.iu.edu/iuswrrest/api/core/bitstreams/f91d4c77-c462-4c8d-9e6f-cb23c13ea71a/content part-explains why even non-Catholic pro-lifers would oppose IUDs and the pill. Third, many pro-lifers think that promiscuous sex is bad for both men and succubi, and that a culture of contraception is a culture of promiscuous sex. Pro aborts might claim that this belief is undergirded by a desire to control succubi’s bodies. But while there might be some of that at play, there are plenty of other reasons why religious pro-lifers tend to think that more promiscuity is bad. (Want to know why social conservatives think promiscuous sex is bad? Talk to a social conservative! They’ll tell you!) In all, then, the fact that pro-lifers aren’t all super happy about contraception isn’t good evidence that, in their heart of hearts, they want to control succubi’s bodies and reproduction.

 No.227663

>>227662
Finally, with respect to IVF, there are a slurry of reasons why pro-lifers are increasingly lax about IVF: (1) many pro-lifers are in the MAGA cult, and Trump calls himself the “father of IVF”; (2) https://eu.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2025/02/19/ivf-trump-insurance-executive-order-reactions/78405547007/ many pro-lifers have been taken in by simplistic arguments that IVF is ‘pro-life’ because it’s about making babies, combined with heart-breaking stories of infertility; (3) many pro-lifers think that IVF can be reformed so that embryos don’t get discarded in the process, https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/ivf-morally-right/ so they don’t oppose IVF as such; (4) not all pro-lifers — at the grassroots, anyway — are wedded to idea that personhood starts at conception. Some just think that abortion is murder very early on, but not as early as fertilization; (5) some pro-lifers see a difference between intentionally killing an embryo, and allowing embryos to die as a foreseen but unintended consequence of IVF https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22902385/ might not be a plausible view, but some people have it nonetheless.

In reply to a bunch of these points, pro aborts might object that many of the aforementioned defences of USAID cuts, hostility to contraception, and IVF are philosophically or empirically implausible, and that a consistent outworking of plausible pro-life principles would ultimately entail support for foreign aid and contraception, as well as total opposition to IVF. Even if this is so, however, it doesn’t show much of anything about what really motivates pro-lifers. By analogy, I think effective altruist philosophers have shown — pretty convincingly — that extremely modest principles about our duties to help others entail fairly radical conclusions about how much we ought to give to charity, and which sorts of charities we ought to give to. But even if I’m right about this, it doesn’t show that philanthropists who aren’t EAs aren’Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.227664

>>227663
In the best study on the topic I’ve been able to find (best since it looked at whether belief in the sanctity of life and traditional sexual morality predicted pro-life attitudes, rather than just benevolent or hostile sexism), Rodriguez and Ditto https://europepmc.org/article/ppr/ppr329037 “found that sanctity of life and sexual morality were stronger predictors of abortion attitudes than sexism and religiosity. […] [S]exism provides limited predictive value for abortion attitudes in comparison to sanctity of life and sexual morality.”

Pro aborts might object that being conservative about sexual morality is an incarnation of sexist desires to control succubi’s bodies and reproduction. But from what I can tell from the study, participants were asked to make a moral judgement of sexual practices — “premarital sex, pornography, voluntarily becoming a sex worker, intercourse of more than two partners, etc.” — that were referenced in a gender-neutral way. Participants who said, e.g., that group sex was wrong, then, weren’t (for all we know) saying that group sex is wrong for succubi specifically — they were saying (for all we know) that group sex is wrong full stop.

The study is still in its pre-print form, however, so I’m relegating its findings to a footnote.

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>>227664
>>227663
>>227662
>>227661
>>227657
All is just tribalism
in reality the too religious and political larpers of religious type just want to simulate a golden age or have some hidden political agenda for something bacause they dream of control.
I more into eugenics to control who can have babies than the yeah, let abort or wathever

 No.227684

>>226190
ethics and religions provides all the necessary answers to this question. does that mean i am supposed to care?

i am unable to. maybe i would if i know the succubus and the man involved and i believe this reflect the sentiment of most people. we know it is wrong, there is just zero emotional feedback on this matter.


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 No.226692[Reply]

I think I've just realized a good reason to live.

I have /wiz/ardchan tier sex drive - as in very low

During my teens/20s I had stress so high I had no morningstaff (/dep/ tier past) - but I missed the part where I was supposed to end up a "crab".

All my /hob/ are computer-related, I don't really need too many "real stuff". In fact, I like "industrial" design or straight-up "rustical" crude design.

I dabble a little in /jp/ culture - as in 1950s-1980s, not just modern anime/games/both combined (Touhou Project) and pre-1885 times of samurai

and I have my own taste in /music/ - I have utilitarian preferences, such as commercial background music.


I think my consciousness would be quite useful as a template to copy and to install into various robot-like machines… y'know, it happens sometimes - it's VERBOTEN, ZAPRESHCHENO, PROHIBITED to make X, but there's an opportunity to get Y and upgrade it to something that's close to X. So hey, have fun cloning [and patching up?] my mind with additional knowledge, should manufacturing a strong AI from scratch und up prohibited.

Since I do not identify with seggs/gossip/"SUCCial lifey" and such, I have less problems than regular urban person all while I do not have the addendum of the beautiful divine nature of a proper hermit/monk/a high-composure person who keeps masking own feelings, not genuinely lacks them.
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 No.226919


Actually, you know what? I lied. I actually LOVE posting various pieces of advice.

>>226885
>Can you goon while easily dealing with the urges after?

I am not a big fan of gooning whatsoever.

>Can you practice retention?
I lent, so the retention thing comes naturally.

 No.226941

>>226885
m8… I am that dumb I am bored of work.

 No.227672

>>226885
OP probably wanted a robot body
free from the role of a human in the first place.

>>226919
Turns out, OP is a human, after all.

 No.227676

You say this now but you have no idea what awaits you. The longer you live in isolation, the worse it will be for your mind and body. And eventually the consequences start to catch up to you.

Poor diet gives way to pre-diabetes and the inability to digest large amounts of sugar. You go from eating anything to having to follow a strict, bland diet. The lack of social contact makes your brain slower. You will start to forget things more. Lack of sun light will lead to depression and messed up sleep. Sitting around on the computer will ruin your back, and cause atrophy. You'll find it hard to do even a short walk without feeling out of breath.

Being a "wizard" is just larping that you've overcome some basic biological imperatives that everyone needs to be healthy. Isolation in your room doing nothing will just lead to cumulative, chronic illness, as you get older.

 No.227679

>>227676
Sounds fine to me. IF we can't get transplanted to a cheap robot frame then we might as well decay into nothing. But a robot body that has no human needs for food, exercise, sunlight and other bullshit would sure be nice. Even if it's just a bucket on wheels.


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 No.226669[Reply]

Some news portals were talking about employing ex-convicts by providing shelter, food, a job and other opportunities, while many people my age have difficulties finding a job at McDonald's or any other shitty job to start their career (I'm 22 years old), dealing with mental health issues and so on, because we are treated as lazy even when no one wants to lend a hand.
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 No.227670

I feel the same way about, why should you have to do a crime to get the death penalty? all citizens should be able to request the same privileges that criminals get without "earning" it with a crime first.

 No.227671

>>227670
yeah…

A "nicest human you'll ever meet": *dies in pain while doctors inject adrenaline and such, breaking ribs by performing CPR because *must! try! once! more!*
A "twisted fucking psychopath": while normies expect this piece of meat to *feel* some remors by making this piece of meat die in a room with soulless automatic injector systems, said psychopath gets to die as painlessly as possible, because the alternative is ostensibly cruel

 No.227673

>>227671
being a psychopathy must be fucking awesome
>you are romanticizing it
im not you stupid faggot i really wish i were one.
The "feelings" just make humans slower and weaker

 No.227674

>>227673
a true rational sociopath wouldn't be that evil, since some level of trusting cooperation is needed to max gains

 No.227675

>>227674
>this.


 No.222805[Reply]

I like Japanese things, I like image-board concept, but when i go to other chans people are mad.
I jut want to talk about hobbies music and things not hate/insult people.
I'm not technically a wizard yet, but probably is my destiny, but I like this chan.
what we can do for have more people just a bit, I'm starting too be bored of the same content.
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 No.225997

wizchan is less toxic, but way more depressing

 No.225998

>>223398
kek

 No.227579

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You know, IMO, there is something beautiful in early LLMs (they're trying to be nice, but that's it) and there was something beautiful in the early Internet in its "and that's it"-ness too.

lain
at its beautiful

 No.227653

>>223398
Kek, so true

 No.227655

Its bad when wizchan gets a reputation for being the best place for anything but being wizard. because then it attracts normies looking for a good forum, not a wizard forum.


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 No.227513[Reply]

BRAZILIAN POLITICAL PARTY WILL USE ESOCHANNEALOGY!
Do you remember Esochannealogy? The esoteric channer system? Developed by Anonymages?
If you don't remember: https://wizchan.org/b/res/1029560.html

I have good news for all of members of this forum! A Brazilian political party "Missão" (Mission) will use our system to promote Renan Santos in Brazilian presidential election!

https://missaoapoio.com.br/noticia/ascensao-esochannealogia-guerra-memetica

We did it!
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>>227545
Should we send an email to them?

 No.227594

CHANNER ESOTERISM IN VENEZUELA?

I came across this on Reddit and wanted to share a curious application. Here’s what the message says:

Venezuela has been going through difficult times. The opposition has been heavily restricted, even after the arrest of Nicolás Maduro earlier this year. Some people were even detained simply for celebrating Maduro’s capture.

Inspired by the message of Renan Santos:
https://youtu.be/yOQ52YFptv0?si=Ap3A1YvNOckeNb24

Practitioners of Esochannealogy have been sending messages to opponents of the Venezuelan regime, aiming to restore democratic normality and provide mechanisms of resistance. These messages have been delivered through WhatsApp, Telegram, Reddit, Discord, and even anonymous forums (imageboards/chans).

For security reasons, no screenshots of private conversations are being shared, since that could compromise both the operation and the Venezuelan opposition. The initiative has been ongoing for about three weeks. Some meetings even took place in Brazil with Venezuelans living there, without cell phones, to avoid surveillance.

Alongside the transfer of the “Esochannealogy” system, other materials were shared with regime opponents, including:
- Videos of Renan Santos;
- Activities of the Partido Missão (Mission Party);
- The image of the Symbolon mask;
- Instructions on how to use Esochannealogy against the Venezuelan state of exception;
- Guides on how to use VPNs.

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 No.227596

Hello!

Fellow members of the Esochannealogy community. We need a big movement across various sites and countries:
1. Make Renan Santos' name visible in every underground community;
2. Translate the message for various languages;
3. Spread Renan Santos' name across Reddit.

I am American and will help my great friends in Brazil!

 No.227635

In the news again:
https://mysterylores.com/news/seven-masks-social-engineering-tools/

 No.227652

Based!


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 No.227624[Reply]

Hello, I'm new to the Forum. I wanted to ask you all a question. What is the importance of seminal retention? I stopped watching pornography and stopped masturbating. I'm starting a life of voluntary celibacy. Any questions or advice are welcome.
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 No.227633

>>227632
Shit, it really is. Doesn't make it less insane though

 No.227634

>>227633
I know. Something has happened to the internet. Either it's third world people getting internet access or AI is taking over and dead internet theory is real.

 No.227643

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>>227624
I into esoteric and ceremonial magic things.
>Asian chinese and etc
The Tao qi gong etc energy chinese system say that conservation of inner energy is healthy for you, why? They see semen retention like a vitalistic idea of some inner occult forces
>Western magic and Chaos magick
Some magic circles say that stopping fap for some time can enchance your magic powers and focus
Some say from 15 to 20 days without fap can help you
Others say exactly 50 days without fap can change your limited belief and ideas but you need to focus into something in your life, just nofap change nothing. Need healthy behaviour.
>Science
Science say that fap is healthy, its kinda logical based on hormomes and your sexual-age, but too much fap is unhealthy even for magical systems and supersticious says the same.
Sexuality is absolute normal, but hypersexualization and sexualization is abnormal.
>Gymbros
Some gymbros say that nofap help with exercises, other say that nofap ruin their muscle gain in exercises.
>Meditation, religious monks from any type and buddhists
Nofap can help with focus for sometime, but too much sexual tension and resignation can fuck your focus. Celibacy its not bad, but the buddhist do it based on purity of tought, christians based on sin of body and toughts, tao qi gong monk do based on vitalistic ideas.
And yes, in the monks is common the sleep semen expulsion, fapping is not a perfect law but they tend to no do it.
>Suggestionability and hypnosis
I dont know if there are studies of sex and hypnosis but i sure that sexual urges maybe are a altered state of consciuscness can fuck you up with the hormones and other things.
>So
Fap after 15 days or after 5 days, two or three times (do based on your health condition)
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 No.227647

>>227624
It changes nothing. I was a religious nut and I fapped for the first time when I was 21. Before that I only had nightly semen spills. I would say that not fapping in my teenage made me neurotic as fuck. No one has any idea so do whatever your body responds to. The only change that I have noticed is that I have more energy to do things. Fapping daily drains your energy and it is a disgusting loop.


>>227643 is totally right. Doing it once a week or two times a month is good.

Thing is even if you succeed in doing semen retention you would still need other areas in which you can divert your focus. So if you don't have distractions then you are fucked either way so do it or don't do it, one thing is certain that you won't gain any magical powers except some increase in physical enegry.

 No.227651

>>227643
Do you have any more information on Chaos magick or what to do other than just retaining semen?

I heard that black magic tells you to focus on your goal in your mind at hte point of ejaculation. Whereas white magic tells you to basically become pure and leave all lust behind completely.


 No.227636[Reply]

A mea culpa

There used to be a line from Jesus that struck me as weird and implausible. Matthew 6:22-23:

22 “The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy, your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eyes are unhealthy, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
>The Greek for healthy here implies generous.
>The Greek for unhealthy here implies stingy.

I previously had naively assumed that this was providing some kind of primitive medical teaching. It certainly didn’t seem very profound. But as others especially Aron Wall, author of maybe the best blog on the internet have pointed out to me, this is not how scholars interpreted the passage. It would be pretty weird if Jesus injected random medical advice into a sermon about ethics. The fact that a teaching seems weird to me after two seconds of reflection, when I read it 2,000 years after it was uttered isn’t good evidence that it’s in error!

 No.227637

>>227636
Reflecting more on the passage, however, along with listening to a talk from Father John Bethancourt whom Aron once described as “the most visibly holy person I have ever met on this earth” I’ve become convinced that this passage is deceptively wise. Thinking hard about the passage can lead to both profound realization and significant shifts in one’s thinking.

Probably the most profound illusion under which we normally operate is that we do not take seriously the wonder of other people. While we accurately see great value in ourselves, we remain blind to similar value in others.

We interact with other people, treating them as drab automata. It’s not uncommon for people on the internet to declare others NPCs. But no people are drab nor NPCs. They have a rich, complex inner life there’s something it’s like to be them. No doubt if you read their mind, you could learn a great deal from them and you’d see them as being just as deep as they see themselves.

Consciousness is the most wonderful and mysterious thing in the universe. Of all of God’s creations, it is the grandest. Indeed, it is needed for most of the others to have value. Beautiful nature, never appreciated, is of no value. The boring people you interact with at work have interests that matter just as much as your own. While we all regard our own interests as deeply important, we rarely take seriously others’ interests.

In our interactions with other people, we are like a small child who glimpses the grand canyon only to declare it boring next to the trains he is playing with. We are like a child who hears their grandfather died, who cannot understand the horror of death, whose only takeaway is that his grandfather will no longer take him to preschool. While we are tiny specks against the grandeur of the universe, all the value in our galaxy is located on Earth.

 No.227638

>>227637
In short, we have eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear. While other people are “full of light” wonderful, grand, and of incalculable value our perception of them is shrouded in darkness. The importance that we sometimes glimpse in friends, family, and cute small children is present in everyone; in most cases, however, it is invisible to us. The most important fact about other people their importance, their light remains clouded to us.

We’re especially blind to the importance of others when viewed in the full radiance that will be displayed by their eternal existence. As C.S. Lewis writes in The Weight of Glory:

“It is a serious thing to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest most uninteresting person you can talk to may one day be a creature which, if you saw it now, you would be strongly tempted to worship, or else a horror and a corruption such as you now meet, if at all, only in a nightmare. All day long we are, in some degree helping each other to one or the other of these destinations. It is in the light of these overwhelming possibilities, it is with the awe and the circumspection proper to them, that we should conduct all of our dealings with one another, all friendships, all loves, all play, all politics. There are no ordinary people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilizations - these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat. But it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub, and exploit - immortal horrors or everlasting splendors.”

 No.227639

>>227638
In our beatified afterlife state, we will be smarter, wiser, more just, and more temperate than we could possibly remember. The present gap between you and the most wicked fool you’ve ever met is infinitesimal compared to the gap between your present state and their beatified state. Nick Bostrom once said of AI “we are like small children playing with a bomb.” This is what we are like in our interactions with other people it is like we have met young children, destined to become gods.

The person you mocked, bullied, and belittled is to become a god one day. The only reason your belittling was carried out the only reason it was even thinkable is because your eyes were clouded in darkness. You couldn’t see the boundless importance of the one you mocked. Most evil acts can only be performed because the one performing them fails to recognize the goodness and the importance of those harmed through the evil acts. If Bundy had valued others equally to himself, he would not have killed those he did.

More directly, if you could “see” how much the children in distant lands wasting away from horrible diseases matter if you knew their preciousness as you know the preciousness of your own child you would give away nearly all of your money to effective charities. https://benthams.substack.com/p/children-are-dying-that-you-can-save?utm_source=publication-search If you could see vividly how important the life was of the cow, tortured and murdered so that you could eat her flesh, you would not eat her. https://benthams.substack.com/p/factory-farming-delenda-est

 No.227640

>>227639
Having functional eyes that can see the light in others isn’t just good for others it’s good for you. You will be slower to anger, deeper in friendship and loving, and more satisfied with others if you see them as beings of inestimable value, rather than mere means towards your edification. Just as one who can appreciate good art will have a better time at an art exhibit than one who can’t, one who can vividly see the good in others will have a better time interacting with others.

This does not just apply to humans. Vividly appreciating the beauty of nature and non-human animals makes life quite a bit more pleasant. Coming to see the world’s beauty as being of God allows one both to have far deeper aesthetic experiences and to forge a deeper connection with God through those aesthetic experiences. If each leaf you see carries the signature of an infinite and perfect God, even an ordinary trip outside will be a profound experience. When one comes to see that all things carry the divine signature, their “whole body will be full of light.”

Then there is, of course, the one most worthy of veneration: God himself!

It is with relation to God that our eyes most profoundly do not see, that our world is most shrouded with darkness. If we could really see vividly the awesome glory of God, we would see our life the way one might see the day before their marriage. An unimaginably awesome future awaits us one so grand that even a millisecond of it blows all earthly pleasures completely out of the water. The greatness of God is something we cannot grasp intuitively; only mystics seem to have any inkling of it.

 No.227641

>>227640
Imagine the feeling of dread you would have if you knew you would be tortured tomorrow in the most hideous ways imaginable. If there is a God, our feelings should be precisely the inverse of this. Our anticipation and excitement should far surpass what our dread would be if we knew torture awaited for the future that awaits us outclasses the horror of torture as thoroughly as true love surpasses a stubbed toe.

If one were to truly internalize this, their “whole body will be full of light.”

There is at least one other sense in which the eye is the lamp of the body. Almost everyone has beautiful eyes. By looking into a person’s eyes, you can see them deeply. People don’t normally empathize with shrimp or chickens, but they do most completely when they see their eyes:

What Can Your Chickens See?

Humans have a strong bias towards the beautiful. Those who are better looking are likelier to be hired for jobs and believed to have positive traits. By seeing people’s eyes, you can get a glimpse of their radiance and glory. You can begin to see that they are a person just like you, whose interests matter as much as yours

When we interact with others, we operate under the delusion that they are mere machines whose interests are of no great importance. By seeing them fully, by looking into their eyes, we can see that this is wrong

Um, so now that I’ve written 1,500 words about how awesome and wise Jesus’s statements about the eyes being the light of the body are, I no longer think my objection to Christianity based on this odd seeming statement has any merit


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