/wiz/ - Wizardry

>>227636
Reflecting more on the passage, however, along with listening to a talk from Father John Bethancourt whom Aron once described as “the most visibly holy person I have ever met on this earth” I’ve become convinced that this passage is deceptively wise. Thinking hard about the passage can lead to both profound realization and significant shifts in one’s thinking.

Probably the most profound illusion under which we normally operate is that we do not take seriously the wonder of other people. While we accurately see great value in ourselves, we remain blind to similar value in others.

We interact with other people, treating them as drab automata. It’s not uncommon for people on the internet to declare others NPCs. But no people are drab nor NPCs. They have a rich, complex inner life there’s something it’s like to be them. No doubt if you read their mind, you could learn a great deal from them and you’d see them as being just as deep as they see themselves.

Consciousness is the most wonderful and mysterious thing in the universe. Of all of God’s creations, it is the grandest. Indeed, it is needed for most of the others to have value. Beautiful nature, never appreciated, is of no value. The boring people you interact with at work have interests that matter just as much as your own. While we all regard our own interests as deeply important, we rarely take seriously others’ interests.

In our interactions with other people, we are like a small child who glimpses the grand canyon only to declare it boring next to the trains he is playing with. We are like a child who hears their grandfather died, who cannot understand the horror of death, whose only takeaway is that his grandfather will no longer take him to preschool. While we are tiny specks against the grandeur of the universe, all the value in our galaxy is located on Earth.

>>227637
In short, we have eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear. While other people are “full of light” wonderful, grand, and of incalculable value our perception of them is shrouded in darkness. The importance that we sometimes glimpse in friends, family, and cute small children is present in everyone; in most cases, however, it is invisible to us. The most important fact about other people their importance, their light remains clouded to us.

We’re especially blind to the importance of others when viewed in the full radiance that will be displayed by their eternal existence. As C.S. Lewis writes in The Weight of Glory:

“It is a serious thing to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest most uninteresting person you can talk to may one day be a creature which, if you saw it now, you would be strongly tempted to worship, or else a horror and a corruption such as you now meet, if at all, only in a nightmare. All day long we are, in some degree helping each other to one or the other of these destinations. It is in the light of these overwhelming possibilities, it is with the awe and the circumspection proper to them, that we should conduct all of our dealings with one another, all friendships, all loves, all play, all politics. There are no ordinary people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilizations - these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat. But it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub, and exploit - immortal horrors or everlasting splendors.”

>>227638
In our beatified afterlife state, we will be smarter, wiser, more just, and more temperate than we could possibly remember. The present gap between you and the most wicked fool you’ve ever met is infinitesimal compared to the gap between your present state and their beatified state. Nick Bostrom once said of AI “we are like small children playing with a bomb.” This is what we are like in our interactions with other people it is like we have met young children, destined to become gods.

The person you mocked, bullied, and belittled is to become a god one day. The only reason your belittling was carried out the only reason it was even thinkable is because your eyes were clouded in darkness. You couldn’t see the boundless importance of the one you mocked. Most evil acts can only be performed because the one performing them fails to recognize the goodness and the importance of those harmed through the evil acts. If Bundy had valued others equally to himself, he would not have killed those he did.

More directly, if you could “see” how much the children in distant lands wasting away from horrible diseases matter if you knew their preciousness as you know the preciousness of your own child you would give away nearly all of your money to effective charities. https://benthams.substack.com/p/children-are-dying-that-you-can-save?utm_source=publication-search If you could see vividly how important the life was of the cow, tortured and murdered so that you could eat her flesh, you would not eat her. https://benthams.substack.com/p/factory-farming-delenda-est

>>227639
Having functional eyes that can see the light in others isn’t just good for others it’s good for you. You will be slower to anger, deeper in friendship and loving, and more satisfied with others if you see them as beings of inestimable value, rather than mere means towards your edification. Just as one who can appreciate good art will have a better time at an art exhibit than one who can’t, one who can vividly see the good in others will have a better time interacting with others.

This does not just apply to humans. Vividly appreciating the beauty of nature and non-human animals makes life quite a bit more pleasant. Coming to see the world’s beauty as being of God allows one both to have far deeper aesthetic experiences and to forge a deeper connection with God through those aesthetic experiences. If each leaf you see carries the signature of an infinite and perfect God, even an ordinary trip outside will be a profound experience. When one comes to see that all things carry the divine signature, their “whole body will be full of light.”

Then there is, of course, the one most worthy of veneration: God himself!

It is with relation to God that our eyes most profoundly do not see, that our world is most shrouded with darkness. If we could really see vividly the awesome glory of God, we would see our life the way one might see the day before their marriage. An unimaginably awesome future awaits us one so grand that even a millisecond of it blows all earthly pleasures completely out of the water. The greatness of God is something we cannot grasp intuitively; only mystics seem to have any inkling of it.

>>227640
Imagine the feeling of dread you would have if you knew you would be tortured tomorrow in the most hideous ways imaginable. If there is a God, our feelings should be precisely the inverse of this. Our anticipation and excitement should far surpass what our dread would be if we knew torture awaited for the future that awaits us outclasses the horror of torture as thoroughly as true love surpasses a stubbed toe.

If one were to truly internalize this, their “whole body will be full of light.”

There is at least one other sense in which the eye is the lamp of the body. Almost everyone has beautiful eyes. By looking into a person’s eyes, you can see them deeply. People don’t normally empathize with shrimp or chickens, but they do most completely when they see their eyes:

What Can Your Chickens See?

Humans have a strong bias towards the beautiful. Those who are better looking are likelier to be hired for jobs and believed to have positive traits. By seeing people’s eyes, you can get a glimpse of their radiance and glory. You can begin to see that they are a person just like you, whose interests matter as much as yours

When we interact with others, we operate under the delusion that they are mere machines whose interests are of no great importance. By seeing them fully, by looking into their eyes, we can see that this is wrong

Um, so now that I’ve written 1,500 words about how awesome and wise Jesus’s statements about the eyes being the light of the body are, I no longer think my objection to Christianity based on this odd seeming statement has any merit

>>227006
<wtf is delusion of grandeur

i actually started socializing a lot when i was 15. i tried many diffrent groups mostly in the real world. at some point you realize that no matter where you look 99% people are the same, the only diffrence being how they dress, where they party and their politics. the only diffrence is they got brainwashed by diffrent media. even the most alternative people have the same blueprint and it gets very annoying.

I unironically think you should get a small cute chatbot to run on your computer.

Context. Back in the day, the first chatbot ever, the A.L.I.C.E. from 1966, was somewhat useful already to feel lonely people of the campus noticeably less lonely.

So hey. Chatbots. Even the antique code from around 60 years ago was good enough to make one's brain slightly happier, so a modern chatty can be even cooler



oh and A.L.I.C.E. is an extension for Edge or Chrome now btw.

>>227581
note to self: stop phoneposting and switch back to a laptop

>>226269
No, never. The world is as evil as it appears, if not more.

>>226268
Delusional take, CBT is quiet useful, it actually help a person to have a more truthful view of the world instead of just believing in every bullshit you think, learn critical thinking.

When your thoughts are distorted enough to for them to be harmful it will probably be hard for you to identify on your own.

This is why it is important to have a trustworthy support group and why you can't give therapy to yourself.

>>226272
I agree that therapy has an important role that probably can't be replaced, but leaving all mental care work to be done in the presence and with the approval of someone with authority is a bad idea.
Learning some basic stuff to take care of ourselves can help.

to put it as simplr as possible, CBT allows you to:


reprogram yourself from some buggy mess left by your life experiences

make peace between the contradicting desires by going deeper, by uncovering how many ulteeior motives your wizard head actually has. And feed each desire just a little bit, probably

>>222729
Thr doc looks like a jew

EDIT:
he actually is one

>>222729
I *kinda happy* about the placevi am now ok?

>+25 years old NEETs
>Now I only see "buuu huuu I'm le sad NEET".
I don't see how that's surprising. If you're a +25 years old NEET, as I am, you likely have some kind of mental illness. Regardless of what you think of society, and how much you think that being a NEET is right / good for you, you're still going to suffer from your mental illness. You can even avoid calling it an illness, and use some other words. But the reality is that you're not going to feel ok.
Even normalfags suffer, let alone a mentally ill NEET that has crossed the 25 mark.

If you tell me you're a NEET and DON'T have a mental illness, well, I don't know, that sounds weird.

>>223002
>The anxiety around NEETbux potentially being taken away was worse for me than just working.
This seems quite the overstatement.

>>226029
That's funny, I was a neet in 21-23.

>>222770
Your situation is very similar to mine except I live with my mother and my degree is just entirely online.

Why chat when you can read and write.
Takes people forever to say what I can read much more quickly.
And there's that people don't hear well or think well.
Verbal shit, just narcissists telling me nothing that adds to existence, and they are never into academic subjects. And I only do academic subjects. Otherwise it's their same old animal story of animal lifestyle and usual animal antics.

>>226989
>No thanks, not all of us are miserable! For me it was watching the normie advice fail when I applied it. Go to college? Awful.
Going to college is not facing adversity, college today is a completely feminized and corrupted institution. I never went to college myself. Colleges are a complete fuckery.

>Get office job and make money? Wageslavery wasn't for me either.
Wageslavery shouldnt be your goal, part of the process sure while you get on your feet if you are discplined, a noodle you gotta swallow or grab the dragon by the balls as one of my close friends once put it. True white man should learn a trade or monetize his hobby, have a private business expand. It all depends on you. Why should Camp Of The Saints become a reality.

>I succeeded when I went my own way. I keep to myself and I'm happy finally.
Read this last, but this is basically what i wrote above, you seem to get it in a way.

>>226988
checked and yeah i guess, im 22 yo virgin and never had a girlfriend, cant say i havent tried, but its getting difficult, although there are ways to win this filthy feminized society, so im not giving up i have other things i want to accomplish, "sea is full of fish" is inherently true and we are the fishermen not them.

>>226990
>Why chat when you can read and write.
White men especially today avoid talking and have less big fiery and ambitious meetings like in the past. This writing on various corners of the internet is one of the way you neutralize and pacify young white men if you think about it. They drain all their energy in tricks like ragebaiting, trolling, doomscrolling, simping etc.

>And there's that people don't hear well or think well.
There is a way to take care of those things, its not an obstacle to getting through in tough times.

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>>226983
>Everything is stripped down to text because text is the least exposable for the user.

I disagree, as theres a whole branch of science dedicated to tracking down small groups of people speaking the same lango. It's known to our bookworms as "phylology"

>And it certainly doesnt help that major social media is just doomscrolling and ragebait etc. These small humble places is only thing of any worth, but not enough to waster your time on

I haven't known Wizardchan for very long, but I'm enjoying it. And I agree with you. It seems like the discussions here are genuinely interesting, unlike other social media.

>>227535
There are some persistent schizos and trolls here, but usually after 30+ bans they just kind of wither away like a dried out weed.

Then you have a period of rational discussion for a few months until a new schizo spams every board and the cycle goes on. Was always like that since 2014 when I started.

>>227511
>communist utopia
That makes about as much sense as "a dry rain forest" or "a heterosexual Discord user"

>>227510
Really? I saw a video the other day of waymos impeding traffic because the internet got disconnected or something and they just stopped in the middle of the street.

>>227518
true cum-sm has never been tried


AND Marx pretty much was not a fan of revolutions - he expected capitalists to realise they're overproducing so much stuff they might have handed some out to The G-Man in exchange for a safety net of sorts, leading to the world where scarcity is an exception thing and not the norm.

>>227517
feudalism or slavery depending if the country's war-torn or not, humans are hirarchical and males are greedy, they want the largest harems possible, especially underage succubi, as proven by epstein and the richest man in the world's obsession to have as much offspring as possible, says he wants to be compared to genghis khan

>>227532
>males are greedy
and succubi paradoxically insecure -> feminism

>humans are hirarchical
the greedy males depend on each other

so is it more a gender ratio problem then?

p.s.
>the richest man in the world's obsession to have as much offspring as possible, says he wants to be compared to genghis khan
autism & performative darwinism

>>227489
Can someone help decode this?

Moved to >>>/b/1031544.

>>227350
brilliant

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>>227423
I can relate. My parents broke up so violently I kinda refuse to "improooooove", "overcome" and "prosper"-as-in-procreate
also
I refuse to have "sexo!" without love to avoid a scenario where oxytocine will spark this very "love!" thingy… Only to make this very thing of spawning a yet another person of similar confusion about life.


I don't really trust myself in that regard. This very "try, maybe you'll like it, no need to be a prude" slogan of yobs is literally the trap to avoid.

God on line, keep your pants on!

Wizards, he has his HAT and thus is a wizard. Crab, he has his KEYBOARD, and thus he is a crab.

Nice day to you.

>>227422
>the black pill studies proving that i'm objectively subhuman
wtf are you talking about?

>>227434
>staring

*starTing

>>226396
Don't worry anon. I enjoyed the thread and I can relate to not knowing what to do with my free time

Try to use Esochannealogy: https://wizchan.org/b/res/1029560.html
We have an esochannealogical cell in this chan. Esochannealogy is esoteric Chan culture. You use these archives in AI.

>>226391
You could just be a dabbler. Achieve novice level in a bunch of different shit. Eventually, you might land on something you are 99th percentile at if you try enough hobbies. There might be some obscure thing that nobody but you is good at.

You might find success even within the field of art because fundamentals are only part of the equation. You might be great at design or something highly stylized or abstract. This is real Rob Renzetti concept art btw.

OP here. I forgot all about this thread, and I haven't visited WC since I wrote it. Weird to see it right at the top of /wiz/. Anyway-
I got diagnosed with ADHD, and I'm going to be talking to the doctor about that in a few days. I scored terribly on the various visual-spatial processing tests I was given during my evaluation, which leaves me feeling somewhat vindicated, since at least now I know
>you just hate drawing actually
>you're too unskilled and poorly disciplined to draw, even for fun
isn't exactly true. I'm going to wait to be prescribed some kind of ritalin, and take it from there I guess. I haven't played piano in months, but I've stuck with drawing. Maybe that'll change in the future, since I like both, but you know the saying about the guy who chases too many hares and nadonado.

>>227470
>I'm going to wait to be prescribed some kind of ritalin, and take it from there I guess.

The you can burn out and finally admit you hate both art and music at 10x the speed. A solid plan if you ask me. Might as well get that shit out of the way.

>>227246
Reminder "schizotypical" is a calque from Russian (or, rather, Soviet) шизотипичный тип личности

The joke is, the Greek "schizo" literally means "to split/to fracture" all while in Russian, there is a funny word "otshchepenets" (отщепенец) which, basically, means being an outcast for this reason or other. And the funny part? The щеп root! Which means "to split/to detach"

So, that Soviet classification - is *probably, thouhgh* based on using Russian use of the root щеп and then happily slappin' that Greek schizo as a translation.

I am @work rn so I cannot just spend an hour lurking for proofs though. I can only say from memory that the idea behind "schizotypical" is no more severe that basic "introverted" personality type" from a certain 1964 types classification.

>>227342
>sluggish schizophrenia
Вялотекущая шизофрения…

Heavily political "diagnosis" though.

>>227332
There are racial differences among criminals too, it's useless to deny this. Certain races are more prone to certain crimes or behave in a different way when committing X crime.

The "white hustle culture" you speak about became mainstream in the post-segregation culture where races get mixed together and so whites start to copy black or brown habits (or vice versa). Even FBI criminologists acknowledge race differences among criminals, like white sexual offenders showed more sophistication in their crimes than non-whites who just went around raping/killing their victims usually.

>>227392
I think the political background of "sluggish schizophrenia" still lingers here - as if Soviet psych-s wanted to cover their asses from their past (we dindu nuffin! they WERE something-something SCHizo) and keep that "ur mom g– schizo" card handy.

>>227277
A jobs a job, criminal or not. Drug dealers are mailmen. Why wouldn't you take the legal alternative and not have to worry about the consequences? It's not worth the hassle, and it's actually more difficult than living legally. Don't be an edge lord. Don't make it difficult for yourself. Get a nice hobby like painting and try to think positively. You think like a troubled teenager, you don't have to join the unjust because it's common. You're just throwing shit on the pile. You probably just need to take medication for whatever condition you have. Sometimes it's as simple as that. Antipsychotics or mood stabilizers.