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Is paying attention the root of satisfaction?

Here's an experience everyone here has had:
distractedly watch a "good" movie - don't enjoy yourself
attentively watch a "bad" movie - enjoy yourself
This is extremely apparent when you watch a movie you didn't enjoy the first time while paying closer attention.

It seems anything that's satisfying is something you pay attention to. What is something that's satisfying that you don't focus on?

The question then becomes: is it possible to exploit this to our advantage? If we hyper-focus on our meaningless boring jobs, do they suddenly become satisfying? Is the goal in life to just have a clear mind about everything?

Another experience everyone has had:
thinking about past mistakes, embarrassing moments, etc.
worrying about future failures, pessimism, thinking about worst outcomes, etc.

If you analyze any given moment of your life it's not that bad. Almost all negative feelings come from thought and not focus.

Anyone reading this thinking that their life is shit right now, think about your current status, emphasis on current. Why is your life bad right now? Literally right now reading this post. Why is it bad? I can guarantee it's almost exclusively going to be about past / future thoughts. So your life isn't actually bad in the literal present.

I'd like for people to critique this base idea. I'd rather not talk about meditation specifically in this thread, I want to keep it more general. Do you agree with me or not?
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>Is paying attention the root of satisfaction?
No. Doing things you like while relaxing is the root of satisfaction. ie not binging


I think about this topic a lot, I no longer chase satisfaction. That is something that never worked for me. The most satisfaction I get is making a web of connections to a said thing in my life and use it as a mental safety net of things if that makes enough sense that I use to move forward with my day to day life.

I also notice the most dread and negativity comes from future focus no matter the scale. It can be good but when you lose the moment everything in it becomes a mountain to climb. Stuck there right now, it's harder said than done especially when it's something crucial to your life. But you don't know what's gonna happen the next day, never mind a week or more ahead. Your life is subject to change and you can be somewhere else doing something completely different in a day or two.This brings me too attachment, it's also always best to only have as much you need at the current time, no more and no less than you're ready to take on.


Depends on the individual. I've heard not paying attention and going through life aloof can bring satisfaction as well. Paying attention to things I enjoy can bring me satisfaction however. It's hard to say. My job is a balancing act. Pay too much attention and I become stressed out and exhausted. Pay too little attention I get scolded and make a lot of mistakes.


mindfulness and paying attention to everything is pretty central to zen, maybe check it out while thinking of it in this way


You are absolutely right. Its always your judgemental part of your mind that makes you sometimes feel good, sometimes bad… examine this a bit closer and maybe you will find the true meaning of this life

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Most therapists are delusional normans, too trapped in their own complexes to help us. I google different forms of therapy and try them on myself. Most don't work, but they're fun.

4/5 Dream journal
I've done dream journaling and dream analysis to interpret my unconscious desires and fears.
At lest one dream a week tells me something new about myself. Most dreams are fluff.

Depth Psych
2/5 Build imaginary world where you imagine different parts of your personality as people and debate them. Most of you already do this without realizing it. Sometimes I get useful insight. Most of the time, my personalities tell me to "work harder" or "go to the gym". They're assholes.

MBTI Myers Briggs 2/5
More or less astrology. Take personality test. Get 4 letters. Different tests give different results. I'm INTJ/P. I used to go hiking every 2 or 3 days, after taking the MBTI, I embraced my INT nature and stayed indoors for a week straight.

CBT 1/5
Cognitive Behavioural Therapy or McTherapy is the second most popular psych scam after big pharma drugs. Suppress your natural emotions and thoughts with positive thoughts. Leave therapy cured. Wait a month for everything surpressed to explode. Go back to therapy. *rubs hands

Mindfulness CBT 2/5
The Whole Foods version of CBT. Mindfulness makes you calmer. Most of your problems are caused by other people (and systems that have not updated to the current world) so just thinking positive won't change the outside world.

What therapies have you tried?
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therapy is a scam through and through, I've been severely depressed for over a decade, no quack is going to just talk me out of it



I've had some success with it but it's incredibly difficult to apply on yourself because of the massive skill curve. The framework is probably the best I've seen from researching different therapies and modalities. It seems to able to integrate and explain the effectiveness of most therapies and it offers a very good evidence supported theory of change. It's based on the newest research on memory reconsolidation which is the brain's only known process for updating and erasing long-standing memories.

The approach essentially incorporates this process and deliberately aims to update/remote implicit emotional learnings that produce symptoms in the present. Instead of trying to "counter-act" symptoms like most therapies i.e. CBT, it uses experiential techniques to find the coherent reasons for the existence of the symptom, trying to find the hidden purpose of the symptom that makes it such a compelling "solution". It seems that even painful states like depression or low self-esteem have a coherent purpose to them, they are essentially the lesser evil of some dilemma and by reacting in that way, you avoid another much worse dreaded suffering. This kind of learning gets created through experience and torments people by creating symptoms in the present which are consciously experienced as negative but outside of awareness they have a hidden useful purpose that the person can verbalize with some effort and exploration. Once you bring this into awareness and integrate it, you have the power to actually transform it through the process of memory reconsolidation.

If you're interested, read "Unlocking the emotional brain". It covers the neuroscience research and overall approach, but I recommend reading the case examples in order to really understand it. This type of approach has transformed the way I think about my own emotional responses.


Insightful. I downloaded the book you recommended and am reading it right now.


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It sounds to me like you are doubting the legitimacy of Astrology, and I would have to challenge you on that. It was actually my earlier interest in the MBTI which transformed into an interest in the Enneagram of Personality, which then became an interest in Natal Astrology which led to to draw and study my chart.

alot of people these days don't like to beleive anything unless it's being spoon-fed to them by a government-approved egghead in a white-coat. Or an e-celeb. (lol.)
Beyond this I know this Astrology has a bad reputation due to it's association with succubi that use it in that vapid, superficial way that centers around sex, love and relationships and takes only the sign-position of the Sun into account.

If you are willing and cognizant to sift through the cheap fluffy material on the subject, you can learn a lot of cool, inspiring and perhaps valuable information by studying Astrology and your natal chart. In the previous couple years I have spent a considerable amount of time studying my planetary positions and aspects, and have not only seen how my chart accurately explains my personality, but witnessed the effects of planetary transits in the form of major and minor events in my life. I can vouch for it's legitimacy. While the majority of the fun of astrology does come from the navel-gazing and often false sense of inspiration or grandeur, it's not all junk and can be used quite practically from a sober viewpoint if you so wish. It's perhaps the most effective psychological science there is; as above and so below.

Maybe it's just not for everybody. For anyone who is interested I'll post some links off the top of my head to the actually good astrology sites I have come across:

Drawing a Natal Chart

General Information & Aspect/Position Delineation
http://www.rosicrucian.com/ssa/ssaeng01.htm (a good overall introduction)
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> http://www.rosicrucian.com/ssa/ssaeng01.htm (a good overall introduction)

Very sorry, I actually meant this one https://www.rosicrucian.com/mos/moseng01.htm#chapI

Since I am making another post I may as well include this too. http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astrology.shtml
It's an archive of Dane Rudhyar's works on Astrology. Neat little books I would classify as "Extras". Of the bunch listed there, I'd recommend starting with "The Practice of Astrology".

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Like does it have any real reason to exist? What really, is its sole reason of being? Without intelligent life, the universe doesn't have a chance in hell to make sense of itself.

Are there any popular theories out there? This is driving me crazy. I just think it's so easy for nonexistence to be the natural state of things, that the existence has to have a cause.
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So you start with an assumption and then do nothing to explain it and then pretend you wrapped it all up nicely? There's good reason this explanation isn't in wide circulation and acceptance yet that's for sure.


>There's good reason
and that reason is?
You made absolutely no point yourself and merely implied that there is a reason without providing it whatsoever.


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>There's good reason this explanation isn't in wide circulation and acceptance yet that's for sure.
The concept of Unconditional Reality is actually very widely circulated in the realm of Philosophy and is considered a cornerstone of Metaphysics. Let's also not forget that the theory itself pertains to the fundamental beliefs of pretty much every organized religion on the face of the Earth that involves any "supernatural" elements.


ah, but compared to be around normies and fwits day in and day out it is a most excellent choice an existence! no tv, no shitty muzak blaring out 24-7-365, no car-tard's/harley-tards rev'n their motors say and night. peace quiet low level of idiocy (not count'n ultra UL'rs and eco-freaks),


say= DAY durrrrrrrrr…

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How do you look back at the early 2000s now? Specifically the years 2001-2006?
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I feel my life is also too corrupt and it's too late for any decent hobbies anymore. I hold a small journal myself online but it doesn't get much because my mind feels broken most of the time. Almost paralyzed now often, I don't know how to describe it well besides that. A perpetual state of shock? It's the most I can do now, pretty happy just making it to one comfort or another every week that grounds me a little.


This is actually pretty endearing and somewhat poignant at the same time.

The "Good night (my) Nigga!!!" at the end made me laugh out loud, the word "my" written in ink as an afterthought in particular.


You real want to go back to the 2006 internet? you want to go back to broadband or ADSL?


I still not only have ADSL for over 10 years now, I have worse download speeds than I had at the start of this decade, probably because more people live in my area now, but there was 0 progress regarding internet infrastructure. And in 2010 I thought that by 2015 we would all be on Fibre optic, and look at me now.


for me the early 2000s was
>anime boom
>yugioh cards
>pokemon games
>hip hop becoming mainstream
>internet becoming mainstream
it was a nice time but in retrospect you only see the good things

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Hi, I'm a 27yo french neet wizard who've been put in mental asylum by his father two years ago.

Psychiatrics gave me antipsychotics drugs with a needle in my ass.

I'm out of hospital right now but I have a mandatory case who said if I don't get the needle every three weeks, cops come to me and put me back in asylum.

I've met the judge twice but he says I'm mad…

There are more than 100.000 people every years put through strength in mental asylum each year in France. Doctors says everyone of those is insane, they says 12.000.000 people have mental disease in France.
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thank you for replying. the last time I went to mosque was 17 years ago, I am 26 now. no one can force anyone to do anything including praying, fasting or worshipping secularism, the laws protect non muslims and I can call myself one. Most of the Turks believe in Islam because they believe they'll eventually end up in heaven no matter how fucked up they are, but do anything the religion abandons.

according to islam, one drop of alcohol is haram, you might get whipped in arabia for that. according to turkish society, if one drop is haram, then drinking the whole bottle must be the equal haram like one drop.

no one allianates you no matter how weird you are, there is no introversity or bullying the different guy in turkish society, actually people wont leave you alone. "enemy of my enemy is my friend" kinda mentality doesnt exist in turkey, people will fuck you up seriously if you try to teach a lesson to other guy. in some districts police can't get into some neighbourhoods and arrest the person of interest. because people wont give up the guy and western media will call the situation "erdogan's police tearing gas onto kurdish civilians."

the most extreme thing would be getting beaten, but they will be the one who bring you to hospital and talk like "bro, If you wanna retalliate, I will not raise my hand.".. basically Turks are extreme in every condition, you might get randomly slapped for asking a guy a direction, but you might also get a free ride to wherever you wanna go, even if the driver has no business there.

lets say if someone would try to stick needles and if that would be heard, I would be 'rescued- by my neighbourhoods who doesn't even know me, and burn the fucking hospital down. even if I was wrong, they would defend me.

sometimes it's fucked up, sometimes I enjoy it. check how turks defend the guy next door;



Psychiatrists are allowed to break human rights legally for bullshit reasons even in 1st world contries which kinda surprises me always. And people seem to even trust them like any other field of medicine. At least OP doesn't get literal lobotomy but a chemical one.


I was in a clinic for a month. I behaved quite nicely, got along with everyone, didn't have to take any pills.

Protip is to act like the normies who work there, because then if they call your behavior insane, that means they're insane too and they don't want to think about that.


>first world country
Its a decaying shithole with a corrupted academia that empowers shit that is done to OP. Psychology is a pseudo science that shouldnt hold any authority anywhere, especially not the law. But that would require leftist Jew paradises like Austria or France to admit that their pathetic intellegista are a bknch of Frauds who have accomplished nothing.
They still do lobotomies in France, OP needs to get out of that 2nd World craphole.


There are 70 million crazy people in France

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I'm wondering how much of our condition is genetic.

I have an uncle who is clearly a sperg, he doesn't do eye contact, he stims and flaps his hands, he isn't social and ignores his family (except me because he's known me since I was a kid).

Although unlike wizards he is obsessed with programming and hobbyist technology (soldering etc), he has a GitHub at 65 years old and his job is repairing commercial refrigerators. Anyways, do you have any family members who you suspect are wizards?
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I think my parents were virgins until they were both almost 40, they married, moved out (they lived with their parents until then) and had kids. I don't thing they ever had sex after that, I've never seen them perform any kind of affectual act towards each other but it's not like the would divorce either.
I believe they got married because of social pressure from their families, my father told me how my mother's sister talked to him into asking her for marriage. I found some old letters from my father where he talked with one of his cousins about my mother not wanting to get married.
They are not reclusive but they very rarely speak with anyone outside their family, they don't have any friends.
I'm fairly sure my sister who is in her late 20s and has a lot of mental problems is also a virgin.


We were forced to socialize as kids since our parents were close. It's not like we did it out of our own volition.
I agree that having friends is not wiz like but he was a blood relative. At 28 I have never made a "friend" on my own accord. So please spare me your purist bullshit.


Well definitely not my case. Absolutely everyone in my dads side of the family are too much into prostitutes and cheating on their wifes, even having TWO families at the same time. They also suck at lying you see. They all have trouble with their marriages and divorce. They are all alcoholics too. Shit, even my old man. Onless you have actual assburgers Wizardom isn't a genetic thing


I'm far and away the most asocial and sedentary person in my family, possibly the local area. Older brother used to be (as I'm told) quite similar but he's since melded into a conventionally normal lifestyle.


>I'm wondering how much of our condition is genetic.
pretty much most of it
a chihuahua will always be a chihuahua. He can do as much coaching as it wants but it will not transform him into a bulldog

for me the family tree goes:
>father is your typical spineless beta faggot
>mother is mentally ill suicidal shizo
>uncle (mothers side) is alcoholic good for nothing who lives off welfare, has had 3 years of work history of his entire life. He is 66 years old now btw and has been living his entire life in an appartement that his mother gifted to him.
>aunt (mother's side) diagnosed shizo, batshit insane
>uncle 1 (fathers side) is a typical arrogant and rude guy, does not talk much and has a history of being a troublemaker all his life
>uncle 2 (fathers side) is your cliche chad. had a successful business, had succubi all over him, alcohol and parties was his bread and butter. died early, probably STD related
the list goes on and on but the tldr is that my entire family is subhuman trash specimens.
if the axis won WW2, there would be no unhappy subhuman loser people on planet

This is why I prefer my DNA to die out with me
nothing good comes out of this

>family members who you suspect are wizards

my cousin in canuckistan is pretty much the typical anime neckbeard but I heard he had a gf at some point


We've had a lot of discussions about Monks, and I certainly understand the appeal of being physically separated from the normie world in an isolated group-hermit community of fellow volcel men. But I'm not sure if I'm suited for the laboring aspects of it, picking potatoes. And so while I started out with monks as my ideal community, I started looking into the more academic side. It was actually right here on Wizchan, in one of the Monk threads, were a Wiz in Missouri mentioned there was a monastery very near him. And then I did some research on it and found out it was also a Seminary. And that seemed like the idea for me, combining Benedictine community with academic scholarship. And so I realized I was more interested in the scholastic aspect. So I started looking into other orders like Franciscans, Dominicans, Jesuits.

As a teen I used to have very creative fantasies about my future adult life. They were so detailed, that it would have been almost a disappointment if they came true, a deja vu, rerun. Now that I'm an adult, most of my fantasies are about redoing life right. Although even with a magic time machine, it seems like every turn is a wrong one. I get into a lot of detail with my schizoid couldabeen watif fantasies. Even looking up Archive.org pages from 2006 of colleges I could have went to.

Lately my main fantasy has been over being a scholastic professor of medieval metaphysics. My main interests are philosophy and history. And some of my watifs revolve around being a high school history teacher or college philosophy professor. Getting paid to talk about my favorite subject is awesome. But babysitting hormonal American teenagers is hell for even normies. And a larger problem of devoting my life to secular philosophy, is I study the ontology of Hegel or Heidegger just saying Being Being Being all day. And then at 70 I wonder what the point of it all was. As a Scholastic saying God God God all day, at least there is a point.

In my fantasy, in 9th grade just when I was getting into Calvin, Cromwell, Charlemagne, I instead get into St. Benedict as the ideal community. And read everything I can on Monks and the other Catholic orders. I remember reading HG Well's Outline of History, and being inspired by his description of Ignatius of the Jesuits. How he had been a soldier, but then seen the light, and devoted this military virtues to instead serving God as a volcel. So then I convert to Catholicism in college, go to tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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A case of wizophrenia


look at that, you answered your question in the pic you attached. everywhere you look christianity is under attack, if religions truly are equal and you can just choose to believe in any one as if it were shopping, why would one religion be under so much attack? my belief isnt based on an arguement i can give you and then you will believe it too, my belief came with time.

lets look at flat earth, page one of the bible. space is one thing that "they" like to push really hard. the theory of space tells you that you came from nothing, you do not have a reason, and you are alone. that is reason number 1 why i believe the earth is flat, space is a direct attack on christianity. another few reasons, the moon is "tidally locked" with earth, no, massive spinning balls dont exist, the moon isnt spinning. and the sun is a million times bigger than the moon but they look to be the same size. i dont know about you, but to me that sounds like complete fucking bullshit! the idea that there were 2 lights created to rule over night and day is much more believable than a one in ten vigintillion chance.

look in the media and there are blatant attacks on christianity everywhere. no single event led me to believe that the media hates christians but you have to be a fool not to see that. another thing is that i only see people shilling against christianity, why would such a large group of people hate this inconsequential guy that lived in palestine a couple millennia ago? the shills dont even have to do all the fighting now because they have brainwashed atheists into fighting for them.


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I like this term. I'll start using it.


>everywhere you look christianity is under attack
>that is reason number 1 why i believe the earth is flat
>massive spinning balls dont exist
>much more believable
>why would such a large group of people hate this inconsequential guy that lived in palestine a couple millennia ago
This post is art.


Thanks. I made up a lot of famous terms used here.

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Anyone up for a wizard sobriety support thread?

After innumerable embarrassing incidents caused by my drinking which I can get into later I really want to stop now. I'm five days sober so far. I enjoy alcohol too much as it liberates me from any unpleasant emotion I may have and makes me feel great, so once I start I want to keep going until I black out.

Getting a nice buzz and stopping is impossible for me as I fundamentally dislike the world and being me so I have to push the escape to the furthest it can go everytime. Becoming sober isn't about some self-improvement thing for me and I'm not under the illusion that it could make me happier, I still will most likely will end it all at some point but the not knowing what's going to happen everytime I drink can't go on.

I figured I need to use any resources out there to prevent a relapse from happening again, so I looked into AA or various online support communities but I suspect they're going to be full of normies. Feel free to share what made you decide to become sober from drugs or alcohol, how long you've made it and tips for staying sober.
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Beer is not too bad, I'd say it's a bit worse than neutral. I wouldn't drink it if it didn't get me drunk though. So yeah, it's for the effects, not the taste for me for sure.

I don't understand what's the point of non-alcoholic beers tbh


No, but then again my palate is pretty underdeveloped for an adult thus I'm predisposed to liking sour and sweet tastes most. Since I stopped so much as considering participating in forced normalfag events and occasions I haven't consumed it.
It's definitely more tolerable when it's cold though, lukewarm alcohol of any type makes me feel ill every time I ingest it.


I've been trying to take T breaks because I chain bowls in my vape all day and barely get high but it turns out my impulse control is too shitty. Each day I tell myself that tomorrow for sure I won't use any and each day I end up using it. It's harder because my end goal is to get high, not sober, like maybe if drugs were fucking up my life and shit I would have some motivation to stop, but drugs just make my life bearable and stopping them only makes my existence more miserable.

I hate the taste and I only find the effect pleasurable when interacting with people (due to increased confidence/reduced anxiety) which makes it worthless to me as a drug. It also makes me puke almost instantly. Overall I'd rate it 1/10. Shit drug.


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Great thread OP.

No Wizards should be alcoholics.

Leave that self destructive shit to Chad and Stacy I say.

Well unless you're a /dep/ Wizard that is and you're actively trying to self destruct using alcohol as your preferred method.


you can always get your hands on 1,4-Butanediol which is a precursor to GHB and pretty cheap and "legal".

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I made a couple threads about a year ago on homelessness, drifting, and vagabond traveling. A wiz that homeless traveled through Japan recounted his travels in those threads.

Since then I've not been able to forget your experiences and I've thought about them everyday and have wanted to replicate them. I wonder if you're still around wizzie. Anyway, you might remember how I mentioned that I wanted to follow in your steps. Well, I didn't do it. But I'm starting to plan again, and I think I will do it this year.

Are you still out there Japan wiz?
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Can you tell me where you bought your mamachari? If I recall it was like $40, or just cheap. I also think I'll get a bike.


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not him i got mine from a walk in "mall tunnel" (see pic) i dont know what they're actually called but they are streets turned into tunnels almost with the street covered so you can shop around during bad weather im guessing

probably bicycle shops in a city will sell them though, it would be very weird if they didn't


I might have the opportunity to do this, but with Russia instead.


Is this something that's safe to do, even for a native Russian? Most of Russia is wilderness, ripe with dangerous predators and terrain. Combine those with territory made hostile by border disputes and other politics and you might find yourself stuck in the middle of nowhere without a direction to go. That is assuming you're going to be trekking across the country.

If you're staying in the urban areas then I'm sure you'll be fine. From what I hear (probably mostly pop culture crap though) there are plenty of neat abandoned towns and cities where tourists like to visit. You might find yourself a whole apartment complex to live alone in.


It might be dangerous in the arctic north, but not really the more temperate parts. I'm mostly just interested to see if it's possible. If I try it, I'll just make a thread here and chronicle once in a while.

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What is your opinion about having pets as a wizard? Do you think they help you or do you think they bother you?
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Varies based on where you are. Had dogs for years and only puppies needed vacines, no need to give them to adult dogs.

OP dogs are a great companion but they're not your bitch. Don't expect a dog to let you be a lazy fag who can't take care of it because you can't be bothered. If you're just looking for something to play with then try your dick. If you're looking to improve your life and use the dog as a serious attempt then go for it. But dogs can be hard work and they require you to do things every day.

Don't get a small dog they're yappy little faggots. Get an average size dog with a good house hold nature. Family dogs who are good with kids are happy to play or lay down quietly. They're very unlikely to be aggressive and they are great companions. Labs or collies are the easiest kind of dog to care for and are good house security.


Dogs love having their chins scratched but that dog was very clearly uncomfortable. It was trying to pull away and she kept holding it in place, the cop did the same thing. When she got her face up close it bit her.

Every time you walk your dog off the lead it can run away and never come back, nothing you can do to stop it. Instead the dog runs up to you and rolls over for a belly rub. Animal abuse is so disgusting, enslaving a dog like that. How fare a dog enjoy the company of it's owner and like going for walks.

Go watch a documentary on lions eating zebras if you want to see what animals do to other animals. Humans are saints compared to a lion eating a zebra's asshole open while it slowly bleeds out over hours.


I'd love to have a cat but my parents hate pets, sucks being a NEET


>do they put collar onto their family member, torture them through city life, and castrate them?

Kind of. Collared to school, stuck in the city with debts and reliances, castrated by poor diet and lack of encouragement through growing up… Many modern families treat kids as if they were pets and not human beans.


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I think pets can be a good thing for a Wizard as they can help offset our boredom.

Though due to our inherint laziness I'd recommend Wizards only get animals that can mostly take care of themselves like cats.

That said I wish I had more energy as I'd definitely get an australian shepherd then since I love my neighbors damn dog so much that is this breed.

The australian shepherd more than anything else shows me how anyone can be a "dog person".

Before I experienced this dog I was always perplexed about what exactly people saw in dogs to obsess over them so much.

Well now I know.

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