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 No.228496[Reply]

Thesis:

Engagement with structurally advanced texts and excellent rhetoric trains and temporarily optimises the mind into recurring modes of organization, attention, abstraction, and inference; repeated exposure can temporarily or semi-durably bias cognition toward those modes independently of propositional content.

Or in simpler terms, in the same way that algebra & calculus trains the mind towards logical and methodical thought in the long term, I believe it's possible for works of illustration, music and literature to do so in the short term. If this is true, then it's advantageous to catalogue such art-efacts and optimise exposure to them.

I'm not talking about the first order; "no duh, I read something that told/reminded me of facts and now they're at the front of my attention" or involuntary emotional responses, I'm talking about the temporary mental structure. Meditation or such like, if it works, seems to work by selecting for facts and details, voluntarily emphasising inputs to get desired outputs. It should notionally be possible then, to exercise the mind in such a way that one or more patterns of thought and emphasis can be either cold stored, or reliably reconstructed with inputs on demand. I think genius lies in being able to do this at will and not rely on outside props, but i'm not a genius.

The inspiration for this idea came from reading Robert Carlyle in the morning and consequently having a very organised and effective day at work, but I've noticed it much earlier in the second and third novel of Kai Lung. In the later case, the pleasant but none-the-less non-trivial effort of very complex English usually leaves me in a "well spoken" state for quite some time. I originally put this down to simple mimicry but perhaps there's more to it.

Thoughts? Examples of useful material?

If this is true, consider the darker side - that it's possible to artificially construct and reinforce dysfunctional frames of mind, not just overloading the memory and attention with noise and conflict, but actually implant a structure of thought - at scale. If this was so, how well does it explain modernity.
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 No.229188

>>228518
>I believe there is some higher order function that such a process of reading and understanding something either requires, or constructs. And that it is temporary or otherwise transient as the mind resets to a baseline. If so, learning is essentially an outcome of said structure's operation and I think that without the structure you only get rote knowledge.

there are a lot of factors that will influence your ability to make sense.
-your experience. you get better at anything you do repeatedly. if you have a history of already having made sense of things it becomes a quick and efficient process of looking at whatever you are dealing with from as many perspectives as you are able to view from and ask all the questions about it simultaneously. the more you do it, the more of your brain will light up.
-the health of your brain as an extension of the health of your organism ranging from how glued your brain is to how much electricity is available to your brain for this nervoussystem activity
-the amount of energy based on priority your body will unlock for the query, from a shallow quick search to a deep long constant thought-process
-how busy the brain currently is
-how active or inactive other processes are that might interfere, override or prevent nervoussystem activity
-how willing you and your body are to spend energy on the process

 No.229189

>>228585
>How wonderful would it be if by adding 20 hours of pre-learning exercise or self configuration

other then experiencing meditation, which you would very much enjoy, you would love how higher levels of human health feel in terms of mental clarity.

compared to a normal average person with normal industrial age habits: someone who knows how to optimize the health of the human organism is basically feeling super sayan without the exciting visuals though changes in hair color can be part of it.

 No.229308

>>228586
the more i looked into nlp and magick, the more repulsive advertisement became to me. it has gotten to the point that i no longer enter supermarkets that play music with advertisements in between, i can no longer bear it.

 No.229309

Here's my better wiz thesis: of the many ways for cognitive enhancement, NICOTINE, yes, nicotine, is one of the few compounds SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN to do anything. W-woah wiz, step back, n-nicotine is addictive, and– we'll get to that, you meandering soycuck. What is fascinating about nicotine is its easily acquired and it works. Yes, you can buy caffeine, but who here hasn't heard of caffeine? The studies showing nicotine can boost cognition are remarkably robust. It's even been shown to be effective in ADHD.

Think about that for a moment. You have a disorder where the primary first line of treatment is strong, pharmaceutical grade stimulants, yet nicotine is still effective alongside it. Isn't that interesting? As for addition, nicotine is significantly less addictive than smoking. The reason for that is compounds in tabaco are synergistic with nicotine. It's why you don't really get a buzz when you take nicotine by itself. I've even read studies that show that nicotine isn't addictive at all. Keep in mind: they are talking about tabaco at all. They simply give nicotine to people who haven't taken it before and didn't see dependence.

So this is my thesis: the simple answer to cognitive enhancement is quite literally just nicotine. You have to do it right though. It's a very short acting stimulant and transdermal patches will avoid the crash.

 No.229312

>>229309
Now see this is fascinating and the omg think of the children brigade successfully drowned out this information such that i'm only learning it in my 40s.

Suddenly I have an understanding of how America accelerated as hard and fast as it did - with the majority of the male population smoking during work hours as a matter of normality. Low level slow release concentration aids would absolutely be life changing, institutionalising it throughout the knowledge worker population would be society changing.



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 No.229038[Reply]

Have you been neglected in you yearly childhood too? I've come across pic rel some time ago by accident and scrolling to this pic made me think I was actually fundamentally broken not by aspergers which wasn't actually that bad but rather by being neglected by mom which didn't even want to hold me when I was crying or talk on difficult subjects. Every stage presented does so perfectly wrap up all my developmental disorders it makes me feel like this framework was made just for people like me (except last 2 cause I'm too young to experience maturity and middle adulthood). Maybe some anon would consider it interesting. I've been to therapy actually and it helped me a lot but I lost my job and I don't have any money left, I'm just neeting at parents place

https://www.verywellmind.com/erik-eriksons-stages-of-psychosocial-development-2795740
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 No.229091

>>229090
>Compare this to the current average confused twenty-something and you see this isn't really true
You are really overestimating the confidence of the average 19th century young adult. People were not confident, they were forced. Even Nietzsche was lamenting how german education forced young people to choose one career for life too early in life when they are still clueless (he was talking about early 20 somethings!). In that respect we haven't changed the least. We just have more room to wiggle in since college is easier to get into and is now adult daycare.

>cooperated in various scientific and technological breakthroughs

You're probably thinking about post-war US. The 19th century name-of-the-game was humanist academia (history, philosophy, philology..).

 No.229092

>>229090
You could also make a good case that the majority of people were confronted with non-artificial necessity at a much earlier age.

 No.229104

>>229091
I dont think you really have an argument, 19th century people definitely lived their lives quickly and efficiently, lots of people don't even live this trajectory in the 21st century but live this extended childhood (compared to back then)
>>229092
homeownership, quality of food and immaterial things like sense of community were better back then, all we have is tech and less rigid morals/ less strict social hierarchy

 No.229105

because in 19th century there were things to be done, in 21th century all western manufacturing is done by jeets and chinamen, so westerners just turned into a civilization of manbabies.

 No.229311

>>229038
Development is like water, its take little to make it flow, but also little squander it around.



 No.229293[Reply]

https://www.reddit.com/r/The10thDentist/comments/1uwqzt9/people_who_dont_need_to_work_shouldnt_be_expected/

Consider for a moment this thread. OP's argument is completely logical. For him working has no upside. His parents are wealthy enough that there is also no downside for them to supporting him. Logically then it makes much more sense for them to continue to support him, but if you look at the responses, people literally treat him as if he is some sort of criminal for simply wanting to maximize his own happiness.


This all boils down to the fact that people in this instance arrive at their conclusion not through logic, but rather through instincts that have evolved and been broadly passed down through the group. In this case there is a mismatch between the current societal conditions and the conditions that lead to the instinct evolving.

For most of human history human society could simply not afford to support dead weight. It's obvious how a group could be dragged down by the attempt to do so. People who had the instinct to not try and support these leeches therefore ended up doing better and over time this instinct became wildely exhibited. It doesn't matter that things have changed since the industrial revolution. Because these things are decided by instinct not logic, pointing those things out will not change people's minds.

You can remind them that actually there aren't even enough jobs to go around, not that everyone is constantly working and we can't get enough stuff done to meet people's needs. It's literally the opposite now, but people still react as if it is a personal moral failing to not have a job.

This same dynamic can be observed in many different examples. Most of the problems of modern day society stem from normalfag's inability to realize when their thoughts are being driven by irrational instincts. I'm tired of living in a world run by such cattle. Reading threads like this just make me want to neck myself.
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 No.229303

>>229302
>they'd know that circumcision is a sexual torture ritual that permanently inhibits the brain development of every baby boy it is inflicted upon.
proof?

 No.229304

>>229303
Yep, there's plenty of it out there.

 No.229305

>>229293
>1m on private school tuition
His parents are dumb as fuck, with one million you can live a comfortable life from dividends alone, making way more than a stupid job

 No.229306

I think they just live in a very different world
I was just thinking the other day how every human can use speech and observe the world with their senses yet so many seem soulless normies

 No.229307

>>229305
Which again reinforces his point. If they're willing to spend that much for his benefit, it would be simpler to just give it to him so he can live his life. Doing all the work instead is pointless. The only point is to satisfy his parents desire to see him be normal.



 No.229116[Reply]

how do you feel about aging alone? no children, no wife, no family, minimum pension.
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 No.229186

>>229185
What made them your allies to begin with?
I don't get the sense of comradery just because we are all in hell. Not to mention the heat doesn't seem all that bad for lot of my "fellow humans".

 No.229191

>>229182
How many kids do you have?

 No.229192

>>229191
This is what I wanted to ask him too, but I didn't want to be an ass.
Thanks for doing it instead lmao

 No.229242

>>229192
*did't want to sound like an ass

 No.229291

its gonna suck having to lift heavy objects by myself, or asking for ride to places where I have to drop off a car. I'll probably go out like that found footage youtube video where some teenagers sneak into a derelict house full of trains and trash only to find a half decayed corpse lying in a chair.



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 No.219448[Reply]

After hitting 30 this feeling has been eating me and I don't know how to resolve it. I started watching different youtube channels and it made me realize how much time I wasted staring at a screen when I could be experiencing the world and creating things. The 21st century offers so many possibilities and yet all I did was sit at home play video games and read inane garbage online. Now I always had depression, anxiety, social autism, adhd, average iq etc. that lead to me being an underachiever but nowadays it feels like I was just the right self-help book and meds/supplement combination and some effort away from solving all these issues.

I could start now but after hitting 30 I feel this sense of hopelessness after experiencing aging. I felt like shit in my 20s but now I realize I actually felt good. Now I tire easily and years of sitting made my body feel rusty. I feel like the youth shield is gone and I can't take the future for granted anymore and expect it to make it even to 40. Every time I experience a new pain or sensation I imagine it to be the start of something serious.

How do you deal with this? It feels like modern technology amplifies winners so if you are a loser it feels extra bad because there is such a big contrast between living with your parents and riding the bus and eating mac and cheese and living in a multi-million dollar mansion with a beautiful view and driving a ferrari and eating at 3 star restauraunts.
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 No.228342

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>>228204
>Look at this society of murder and injustice
that's just the head of the snake. The world is forged with that energy but there is a wake behind it… there IS beauty in this world, peace, prosperity, harmony. It's just not at the head of the snake where evil lives and runs the world forward. It sucks that we have to live in their shadows but it is what it is, and there ARE ways to become immune to their aura and forge your own path.

Become your own head of the snake and start a new wave, or find one that is already out there and try to push more energy in that direction

 No.228385

>>228342
>there IS beauty in this world, peace, prosperity, harmony
I agree, people reject this by their own choice

 No.228472

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>>228471
>Lost my virginity
oh, ok. still i dont give a damn about it. you still can be philosophical Wizard maybe. you enjoyed it or want to do it again? well, maybe this is not the good place to talk about it if we go against the rules.
just dont troll about it, still i dont give a damn.
>and totally got stupid lucky with also having a real life friend group at the same time.
That's normal to me, good for you. even if are fake, autist or good for the health of your mind or group.
>here are absolutely draw backs that mentally fatigue you faster if you have no real life social group.
True
>Not having people in your life to be with and spend time with will atrophy your brain faster.
True
>This life truly is very meaningless and unfulfilling. And I want the wiz who wrote this post to know that you are not missing ANYTHING.
>Life sucks for everyone. Normalfags just pretend that it's not as bad it truly is. They absolutely lack intellectual depth and are a pain to be around.
True but you still can have fun and dont give a shit about it. The end is the same for all, call it absurd or enlightened positive nihilism or wathever.
Life is a joke and Absurd, just dont ruin it more.

 No.228984

>>219448
>How do you deal with this?

get away from the consumerism that ruined you and go towards being the creator that has the power to fix you

>take your life into your hands

>get interested in making good choices for yourself
>make full use of the day because that's your time which is your currency
>you don't run away from uncomfortable stuff because the time is so precious, you instead find ways to deal with the difficulties so that they don't take over your life

you have heard so many wise words, vast amounts of good information. just implement the good information to the best of your ability and watch everything get better around you.

 No.229289

Sometimes I think this, but I combat it by pointing out how much time I wasted on education, on trying hard, and doing the right thing, and still getting punished for it all. I just want to live the rest of my life quiet and happy, but it seems the world is determined I an hero myself.



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 No.229249[Reply]

I am not a full wizard yet, I am still young however even at a younger age of 24 I felt like I have already seen and done everything worth doing. I watched enough anime and movies, played enough vidya of every genre to satisfy someone for a lifetime. I scrolled enough on my phone for 4 people. Eventually I got bored of media consumption so I pursued other things like hobbies. I learned a language, an instrument and beginner coding in game dev and I felt again like it was enough. Learning things became boring, its the same baseline thing every time of encoding brain meat with specific patterns over and over. Skill progression of anything is basically the same. I got bored of those hobbies, I picked up exercise thinking it would give me more energy however after finally getting to the point of jogging a mile I stopped. I'm fine with how I look and I don't care how others see me so its as if there wasn't a motivation, just putting myself under duress without reason aside to live longer doing boring things. I quit. Eventually, I thought it was the NEET life that I became sick of, so I got a job at a gas station as well as a construction company both parttime. I was able to play my part well for a NEET of 7 years. I even got invited to barbecues and other outings and had many conversations with others. I thought that maybe finally I could fill the void but that feeling of boredom started haunting me again. Within months I was done, the jobs were all the same the people saying the same things and everyone doing the same things over and over. When you live with nothing for so long you get used to it, there was nothing I wanted to buy with my money. All of it stacked up in an account that I am now currently living off of as I left both my jobs and my relations with others. Neetdom is much easier to be bored in than a place where you stare at the time all day being bored.

I only feel as if I am wasting my life if I am bored. If I die tomorrow I would only regret the moments I felt boredom. I tried it all, jobs hobbies people exercise. None of it made me feel anything for long, it was as if I was solving a novel puzzle, it occupied my time but once it was "solved" it was just another puzzle for the pile. I don't understand, towards the end of my jobs I even started to try narcotics just to feel something but they were nothing. Mushrooms, meth, alcohol. Nothing. All I do now is learn about medicine and watch surgery videos, I find it fascinating but I know Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.229280

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>>229275
Sorry, that was a rude thing to say
>Beck Depression Inventory
What scores did you get before and what do you get now?
>imagine a rat in a cage getting shocked no matter what he does - eventually he just does nothing
Learned helplessness

If only becoming a hikkineet cured me
>>229279
It turns out that antidepressants don't work immediately. Who knew? Obviously i'll switch to something else

 No.229281

There has yet to be any evidence that SSRIs reduce depressive symptoms, but there is evidence to the contrary.

 No.229284

>>229249
What you are describing is a lack of a sense of purpose and meaning in your life.

Typically people derive this from their community and the role they play within it. Someone who starts a charity defines their purpose by helping others. Someone who starts a business defines their purpose by the things their business accomplishes for people. Other people derive it from creating works of art or new inventions. There are many ways to get purpose and meaning, all of it comes down to what you actually want to accomplish in life.

You sound like you haven't given that any thought at all and are therefore going about life all wrong. You don't seek out challenges just for some sort of character building purposes. You naturally have to overcome challenges in order to get whatever you want out of life. Some people develop a sense of what this is from a very early age. Typically these people end up being the most successful in their field. If you look into top performing athletes and stuff they will always say from a young age they desired to be an athlete in their sport. It's the same for most other stuff.

If you are naturally lacking a strong drive for yourself and your life, you just have to give it some deep thought. No one can tell you what you want out of life, that's for you to figure out.

It's become broadly harder for people to do this thanks to the industrial revolution which wildly changed how people lived their lives. We are still in a transition phase where we have changed the way we live but we still have instincts that are suited for pre-industrial life. Mostly people just had to focus on surviving, and that was the main purpose of peoples lives. For many this is still the case, but only because we have built up artificial mechanisms to mirror the act of surviving while in fact all our basic survival needs are taken care of by the vast excess provided to us by industrialized society. Now we have to pay rent and other bills so we are forced to wageslave, and for most wage slavery becomes the purpose of their life. Getting a higher wage and avoiding getting fired gives them purpose.

This doesn't work for everyone though because it is still an abstraction and if you can see through the lies of society, it just becomes a bitter pill to swallow. Ted Kaczynski talked about this some I think. For him the solutiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.229285

>>229284
*towards achieving that end

 No.229286

>>229249
I'm in a similar position that I haven't escaped so…
I don't think this will help, but I've reached a conclusion (at 30 now) that it is time to focus on output and limiting, heavily curating input.

A lot of the things you mention are still input oriented. So for example the productive hobby you mention being programing, what did you create with it?
Language, what information did you convey using it and to whom and why?
If the answer is nothing, then you just consumed information for no reason. Might as well have jerked off at that point.

I feel like personally all my bandwidth mentally has been taken up by consumption, because there is just so much stuff out there that even if I no longer get a "high" from it, it's just easier and more comforting to live in fantasy land why scrolling through manga.
Reading stuff on here is also still mostly input with no action taken based on it.

Every day there is so much stuff that gets filtered through my brain that I have absolutely no use for.
I'm trying to limit it heavily and focusing more on action, utilizing knowledge, only learning more about something if I need to and only as much as I need to get to where I want to be.

I'm also now trying to create and share my creations with others instead of just consuming what others have created.

I guess a TLDR would be that it's easy to feed endless input/information into your brain daily while barely if at all processing it into anything useful.
I feel like a lot of more competent wizards that have this weird anhedonia/burnout thing might relate. Then again, this is mostly just my subjective experience, don't want to paint you with my brush or whatever the saying is.



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 No.222729[Reply]

So, my fellow hoomans, does happy +25 NEETs still exist or is now only doom and gloomy views? What happen to the happiness that one feels when finally got the elusive NEETbux? What happen to the happy go luck older NEETs that instead of fighting fate (or tired of trying) just accepted his lot and try to find happiness on his piece of life? Now I only see "buuu huuu I'm le sad NEET". Where are those happy content older NEETs or all online NEETs now are just depressed neurotic people?
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 No.229233

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>>227569
what is the degree about ?
i did electronics and the like. But i know that all companies are offshored and nepotism is against autists.

also i dont want to outsource my ideas, which get capitalized by others who can scale them massively and then leave me in the dust.

so i live of the gov, never give to those who made your life horrible.

 No.229234

>>229233
That picture is really depressing. The trash, the buildings, the group of black clad people in the back. Makes me uncomfortable.

 No.229235

>>229234
- There's not that much trash. A lot of what you see on the ground are birds and sprouting dandelions

- The buildings are diverse, with modern compact office space responsibility integrated among historical townhouses

- The black clad people are most likely schoolchildren of a Catholic school with a dark uniform, and those wearing parkas to keep the rain off.

This seems to be a well-traveled public leisure space with transit access and a nice cafe. A spring shower is waking up the antique trees which will provide lovely shade. You should consider just staying on the computer or moving to the desert. You can disable images from loading on your browser if you're made so upset by them.

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>>229235
the Ai analysis of said image.
here better one appended

 No.229253

>>229238
This is a picture of a rock, a football field in height, in a forest that looks like Yellowstone area



 No.229141[Reply]

I can't mentally relate to a regular 40 year old in any shape or form. People who already have 20 year careers or are even CEO's. While I still replay old SNES games on emulators and work a basic job while taking care of an elderly parent who needs assistance for almost everything.
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 No.229232

It's normal. The vast majority of people suffer from impostor syndrome, and the others are probably psychopaths.
My grandparents told me essentially the same thing in the '90s, and they'd had careers and many generations under them.

 No.229236

>>229166
That guy looks 67, not 17

 No.229239

>>229141
Yes, at 34 I know 22 year olds having their first kid, launching their first big career, etc. I feel like Kurosawa. I spent all of my 20s and 30s doing manual labor. I guess I'm in okay shape and financially okay, but I'm still stuck at 18 socially, I missed all of the social milestones. I'm still replaying games on my NES and getting drunk on cheep beer.

 No.229248

>>229232
>The vast majority of people suffer from impostor syndrome
Not females. There's something instinctual in them that makes them all believe they deserve to be queens.

 No.229252

Relax. It only takes one lucky strike. You'll learn to be the jolly old wizard-looking guy sweeping streets soon. Maybe you'll even pull a "call the ambulance! BuTnOtFoRmE huehuehue" at a robber in several years.



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 No.226320[Reply]

What do you guys think of Prison Planet Theory ?

Some people are so fed up with suffering on earth, so they came up with this theory to cope with reality
personally I think it kind of overlaps with the wizards philosophy

there is even a subreddit dedicated to it
https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/
and people seriously thinks they are prisoner in this planet
and thats their energy is being harvested by aliens
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 No.229237

>>229194
>But consciousness itself is inside the prison of existence like >>228346 says Trying to comprehend the cosmic horror that immaterial ghost would feel is kind of overwhelming…
only animals and humans have immaterial consciousness, there is nothing conscious outside of it, universe and globe are just dust, what exactly is their to be afraid of?

 No.229243

The worst thing is that humanity doesn't recognize his status of prisoner but truly believes that consuming all resources of the planet is something we must do in order to "progress" towards general well-being. Imagine a prison run by prisoners, this is what earth has become, and when resources run out there will be famine and misery everywhere.

 No.229244

>>229200
Dude wtf I thought you started playing the game of life once you had $100 mil net worth…

But yeah you're right those bloodlines are literally older than countries lol

 No.229251

>>229244
Owning 100m$ in *bank accounts, savings* can buy you a lot of stuff, but you still be *constrained*

Sure, you would already be able to propose several interesting bills to rewrite the rulebook, but you still be a guy who has to stick to Da Rulez O'Da Man.

 No.229256

Seems like another world view meant to make people give up and hate this world. I wouldn't take it seriously.



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 No.227944[Reply]

wizards, this is a truly important question. how do you tell your mom, or anyone else for that matter, that you are really not interested in whatever female they think you should "befriend"?

i know you're going to troll me, but i still kindly ask you to find a second and think about what could be the *optimal* solution. the solution that doesn't burn bridges, doesn't create bitter enemies and yet lets you maintain the high ground. i know this is not fully achievable, but there gotta be an algorithm or something.

my brain just crashes in such situations. it's like "idk wtf are you're even talking about???" i need help
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 No.229218

>>229215
The bigger irony is that men dont have that many rights either in Afganistan, as they get raped as boys and sold as slaves. But crabs are too mentally retarded to know shit 🤡

 No.229221

>>229215
Dude afgan is a hellhole of mindless brutality and violence. An omega crab isn't going to make it there.

 No.229229

>>229218
>>229221

Taleban rule is basically 1100s Europe. Yeah, succubi have no rights, but so don't 99,9% of men.

If you're not a cleric or an elite warlord, you're basically a serf. A slave.

It's like those neckbeards dreaming of living in the middle ages. Nigger, your chances of being a knight or a noble would be astronomically low.
You would be a farmer or fisherman who dies a painful death after being levied as cannon fodder for a war at age 19 with no armor and a basic spear.

 No.229240

>>229229
>You would be a farmer or fisherman who dies a painful death after being levied as cannon fodder for a war at age 19 with no armor and a basic spear.
And chances are your death will come from a miserable and futile battle against dysentery, rather than on the battlefield (not that that's much better).

 No.229241

>>229229
Ironically, /dep/ressive warriors would be praised as heros not afraid of deff in 1100s-1400s. Imagine being remembered as someone who struck Sir Count William Poshtonbury and his armored steed at the expense of sacrificing own head, versus just being remembered as some Bob the nightsoil cart handler



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