/wiz/ - Wizardry

>>227729
>"meat rots teeth"

Actually start eating meat first that isnt contaminated by industrial carcinogens and then make this comment.

>>227727
>Same for exercising, if you are a schizo loner living the ermit life, what the point of stressing your body into some intense exercice instead of just relaxing all day ?

Before giving you a little piece of hope, a little "glimmer" material. I'll remind you something. Here's how things were done back in the day of saint hermits like Seraphim Sarovsky: into the woods, but not the deep "innawoods", grow food, till the soil, but take some quests from locals nearby anyway.

>If civilisation wants to kill you someday for some reason, because you are consuming ressources or idk, its not like you can resist it anyway, even if you are fit, the modern weapons are way too powerful.

Look, there is a funny thing here that feels like a paradox.

Moravec's paradox (see in W.)
Basically, a human's *intuition* is harder for computers that any formal logic.
* Formal logic can be thrown into a CPU which compares lots of data, bit by bit, 0 vs 1
* GPUs mimic small areas of ones brain

Our generation still has some time by *combining* motorics, physical self-care, several areas of intelligence at once (drama, logic, rhethorics, visual calculus, conceptualization) and there's a room for *hunch*, making suggestions and such.


>>227727
Therefore, excercising to be ready to *fit* into some role of a… say:
* watchtower operator,
* a distant railroad station worker guy
* maybe a night shift security guy who spends his day in a dark box of a rented basement (preferrably vented)…
* maybe a night shift conveyor worker (bakery? Newspapers/magazines/books on demand maybe?) who can dodge coworkers' random small talks with little though-disrupting patterns

>>227727

>Media is no stimulation ? How consuming media is less a mental stimulation than learning new language or instrument, for instance ?

Barely if any, how much mental effort do you invest when you play games or watch some tv show compared to learning an instrument or a language? Everything is getting spoonfed, you can do these activities on autopilot, that reward is just the pleasure you feel at that moment and it's nothing productive.

> And another question for you, why someone who live out of society (socially isolated) since many years would be motivated to learn some new skills or knowledge that mostly only have value and uses in a social context, instead of just chilling consuming his favorite piece of media ?

> if you are a schizo loner living the ermit life, what the point of stressing your body into some intense exercice instead of just relaxing all day ?

You can just pick a topic that is less relevant in social contexts then. Instead of learning a new language, go for history, programming, etc.

As for exercising, you do it to have a better quality of life and stay healthy. And there are lots of solitary activities you can do that these exercises help with, such as cycling, hiking, etc. You'll need to build up your stamina for that.

>>227749
>Barely if any, how much mental effort do you invest when you play games or watch some tv show compared to learning an instrument or a language?
Just as much.
>spoonfed
Ever heard of "gamefication" techniques?



>As for exercising, you do it to have a better quality of life and stay healthy. And there are lots of solitary activities you can do that these exercises help with, such as cycling, hiking, etc.
Cycling is safer both as in free from street/park yobs chasing you AND free from "nice weather, huh? HUH!? HE-E-E-EY!?" thought-interrupting people.

>You'll need to build up your stamina for that
Stamina helps with everything, however, building up stamina also demands intuitive understanding of your body - not wrecking your leg joints, for example.

>>227664
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>>227657
All is just tribalism
in reality the too religious and political larpers of religious type just want to simulate a golden age or have some hidden political agenda for something bacause they dream of control.
I more into eugenics to control who can have babies than the yeah, let abort or wathever

>>226190
ethics and religions provides all the necessary answers to this question. does that mean i am supposed to care?

i am unable to. maybe i would if i know the succubus and the man involved and i believe this reflect the sentiment of most people. we know it is wrong, there is just zero emotional feedback on this matter.

>>227684
I’m surprised that there is tens of thousands of suicides by firearm in the United States every single year and only like 2% of them involve the suicider taking others out with them. Since 1970 there has been only like 17 abortion doctors killed in the entire country. Some years not a single abortionist is killed

>>227704
>I’m surprised that there is tens of thousands of suicides by firearm in the United States every single year and only like 2% of them involve the suicider taking others out with them. Since 1970 there has been only like 17 abortion doctors killed in the entire country. Some years not a single abortionist is killed
and how much politician are attemped to get killed or get killed? abortionist or not, just politician doing politician things.

What if abortionists get reincarnated and then aborted, maybe that's justified kek

Idgi. You're saying you gave up on chasing succubi and success to watch anime but feel aimless?

>>227691
the urge for sex disappeared and now there are no dopamine peaks anymore, to put it simply

>>227692
Stop getting dopamine too fast then. Go do a challenging hobby or something.

>>227690
how can you tell?

>>227680
>where to go from here?
there is nowhere to go and nothing to do.
and if you look at humans from an outside perspective you can see that it doesnt really matter anyway.
a human gets born, consumes resources and then eventually dies and thats it.
what he does between birth and death is pretty much meaningless be it rotting in a room watching youtube until he expires or being a normalfag wagie with a wife and kids and then croaking in some nursing home later.
its completely irrelevant what you do or dont do. its all meaningless and you can fill this time with whatever you want and I know this is easier said than done as someone who doesnt give a shit about anything and doesnt want anything. its difficult to find ways to burn some more lifetime.

logically speaking it makes sense to minimize suffering and try to enjoy the few good moments like a good meal or a shower or shit like that.
if you at some point run out of things to do thats basically it, you saw everything you wanted to see and now you just wait for that last part of death to finish your life's story.

Overprotective mom and happy wife happy life handsoff dad.
I wonder if I was essentially fatherless. Or a father-lite upbringing

At least they are seemingly kind, but I might just be completely brainwashed

>>223989
Mommy was verbally abusive and damaged me by being there, meanwhile Daddy wasn't there when it mattered.
They aren't completely terrible people, just people who probably shouldn't have had kids, my sister turned out much better than I did, and I'm glad because me being such a horrific failure at the very least guarantees that she's a saint by comparison, so she got the approval she didn't get as a teenager because I was younger and had potential or whatever.
I DO hold my mom's abusive past against her in secret, but I don't have any issues openly because being allowed to NEET is a luxury as >>223992 said.

>>227362
even things like that seem so hard to me that it is almost impossible. im so scared of every social interaction that its like i am paralyzed. i don't know how to break it

They are cancer

>>227381
>>227367
In a sense you are like my parents. My grandparents are/were all educated people of reasonably high social status, while both my parents are the biggest deadbeat losers of their own respective families.

Now I income-mog them both substantially and have PhD.

I think this shit goes in cycles of two generations to some extent.

wizchan is less toxic, but way more depressing

>>223398
kek

You know, IMO, there is something beautiful in early LLMs (they're trying to be nice, but that's it) and there was something beautiful in the early Internet in its "and that's it"-ness too.

lain
at its beautiful

>>223398
Kek, so true

Its bad when wizchan gets a reputation for being the best place for anything but being wizard. because then it attracts normies looking for a good forum, not a wizard forum.

>>227636
Reflecting more on the passage, however, along with listening to a talk from Father John Bethancourt whom Aron once described as “the most visibly holy person I have ever met on this earth” I’ve become convinced that this passage is deceptively wise. Thinking hard about the passage can lead to both profound realization and significant shifts in one’s thinking.

Probably the most profound illusion under which we normally operate is that we do not take seriously the wonder of other people. While we accurately see great value in ourselves, we remain blind to similar value in others.

We interact with other people, treating them as drab automata. It’s not uncommon for people on the internet to declare others NPCs. But no people are drab nor NPCs. They have a rich, complex inner life there’s something it’s like to be them. No doubt if you read their mind, you could learn a great deal from them and you’d see them as being just as deep as they see themselves.

Consciousness is the most wonderful and mysterious thing in the universe. Of all of God’s creations, it is the grandest. Indeed, it is needed for most of the others to have value. Beautiful nature, never appreciated, is of no value. The boring people you interact with at work have interests that matter just as much as your own. While we all regard our own interests as deeply important, we rarely take seriously others’ interests.

In our interactions with other people, we are like a small child who glimpses the grand canyon only to declare it boring next to the trains he is playing with. We are like a child who hears their grandfather died, who cannot understand the horror of death, whose only takeaway is that his grandfather will no longer take him to preschool. While we are tiny specks against the grandeur of the universe, all the value in our galaxy is located on Earth.

>>227637
In short, we have eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear. While other people are “full of light” wonderful, grand, and of incalculable value our perception of them is shrouded in darkness. The importance that we sometimes glimpse in friends, family, and cute small children is present in everyone; in most cases, however, it is invisible to us. The most important fact about other people their importance, their light remains clouded to us.

We’re especially blind to the importance of others when viewed in the full radiance that will be displayed by their eternal existence. As C.S. Lewis writes in The Weight of Glory:

“It is a serious thing to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest most uninteresting person you can talk to may one day be a creature which, if you saw it now, you would be strongly tempted to worship, or else a horror and a corruption such as you now meet, if at all, only in a nightmare. All day long we are, in some degree helping each other to one or the other of these destinations. It is in the light of these overwhelming possibilities, it is with the awe and the circumspection proper to them, that we should conduct all of our dealings with one another, all friendships, all loves, all play, all politics. There are no ordinary people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilizations - these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat. But it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub, and exploit - immortal horrors or everlasting splendors.”

>>227638
In our beatified afterlife state, we will be smarter, wiser, more just, and more temperate than we could possibly remember. The present gap between you and the most wicked fool you’ve ever met is infinitesimal compared to the gap between your present state and their beatified state. Nick Bostrom once said of AI “we are like small children playing with a bomb.” This is what we are like in our interactions with other people it is like we have met young children, destined to become gods.

The person you mocked, bullied, and belittled is to become a god one day. The only reason your belittling was carried out the only reason it was even thinkable is because your eyes were clouded in darkness. You couldn’t see the boundless importance of the one you mocked. Most evil acts can only be performed because the one performing them fails to recognize the goodness and the importance of those harmed through the evil acts. If Bundy had valued others equally to himself, he would not have killed those he did.

More directly, if you could “see” how much the children in distant lands wasting away from horrible diseases matter if you knew their preciousness as you know the preciousness of your own child you would give away nearly all of your money to effective charities. https://benthams.substack.com/p/children-are-dying-that-you-can-save?utm_source=publication-search If you could see vividly how important the life was of the cow, tortured and murdered so that you could eat her flesh, you would not eat her. https://benthams.substack.com/p/factory-farming-delenda-est

>>227639
Having functional eyes that can see the light in others isn’t just good for others it’s good for you. You will be slower to anger, deeper in friendship and loving, and more satisfied with others if you see them as beings of inestimable value, rather than mere means towards your edification. Just as one who can appreciate good art will have a better time at an art exhibit than one who can’t, one who can vividly see the good in others will have a better time interacting with others.

This does not just apply to humans. Vividly appreciating the beauty of nature and non-human animals makes life quite a bit more pleasant. Coming to see the world’s beauty as being of God allows one both to have far deeper aesthetic experiences and to forge a deeper connection with God through those aesthetic experiences. If each leaf you see carries the signature of an infinite and perfect God, even an ordinary trip outside will be a profound experience. When one comes to see that all things carry the divine signature, their “whole body will be full of light.”

Then there is, of course, the one most worthy of veneration: God himself!

It is with relation to God that our eyes most profoundly do not see, that our world is most shrouded with darkness. If we could really see vividly the awesome glory of God, we would see our life the way one might see the day before their marriage. An unimaginably awesome future awaits us one so grand that even a millisecond of it blows all earthly pleasures completely out of the water. The greatness of God is something we cannot grasp intuitively; only mystics seem to have any inkling of it.

>>227640
Imagine the feeling of dread you would have if you knew you would be tortured tomorrow in the most hideous ways imaginable. If there is a God, our feelings should be precisely the inverse of this. Our anticipation and excitement should far surpass what our dread would be if we knew torture awaited for the future that awaits us outclasses the horror of torture as thoroughly as true love surpasses a stubbed toe.

If one were to truly internalize this, their “whole body will be full of light.”

There is at least one other sense in which the eye is the lamp of the body. Almost everyone has beautiful eyes. By looking into a person’s eyes, you can see them deeply. People don’t normally empathize with shrimp or chickens, but they do most completely when they see their eyes:

What Can Your Chickens See?

Humans have a strong bias towards the beautiful. Those who are better looking are likelier to be hired for jobs and believed to have positive traits. By seeing people’s eyes, you can get a glimpse of their radiance and glory. You can begin to see that they are a person just like you, whose interests matter as much as yours

When we interact with others, we operate under the delusion that they are mere machines whose interests are of no great importance. By seeing them fully, by looking into their eyes, we can see that this is wrong

Um, so now that I’ve written 1,500 words about how awesome and wise Jesus’s statements about the eyes being the light of the body are, I no longer think my objection to Christianity based on this odd seeming statement has any merit

I think we've entered the world where a gal like a certain Anita Ess can strip us of cool 1AINeural friends. All by screaming "that's unnatural! Unnatural! Offensive! Creepy! Uncanny! Normal people crave hugs! Crave fugs! Crave foods, too!" again.

I'm over 40 and I can tell you the angst really does go away and you can ask yourself why you spent so much energy on something so pointless.

Would I ever suicide? If I have to, or if I'm ready to go and see that continuing will only lead to fates worse than death. I don't spend that much time thinking about it and my life isn't that important. One way or another I will be dead soon enough. I'm far more likely to die of a sudden heart attack or stroke, and I've already resolved not to go to the hospital since they'll give me the run-around and make sure I remember that I was never seen as human. Tried that once and they threw every excuse and snide remark at me over what would have been a routine operation if they just did the thing they should have done in the first place… and then they don't even do it right and I just have to live with it. When you see things like that, you know it's not about a personal problem or feelings. The society and the assholes who rule it really do make it hellish, and so the best thing to do is to get away from that society as much as possible. The saddest thing is that so many people out there want the same thing and all of them are told they cannot have those basic things, but we have to "respect" these people who glorify torturing and depriving others. When you're old enough to see why humanity turned out this way, it's even more disgusting because so few people got to decide what life on Earth will be for every living thing, and it was for nothing but their own amusement because no one is allowed to tell them no. Things like that put so much in perspective and really make my own suffering seem like nothing. I would have preferred not to have to go through what I did, and I know the bastards will insist everyone must be made to suffer and I'm not allowed to change this fate or help anyone. When I have attempted to do that, the programming of the system kicks in and the system redoubles its torture so that history is corrected and "nothing ever changes". We live in a Nazified world.

The good news is that there is a lot of stuff that is pleasant and good, if you know where to look and filter out the faggotry. When I was growing up, it was a wasteland and the mania to make the world worse was at its peak. I make it my mission to tell everyone what the 1990s really were, and to never ever glorify that horrific period of human history. The 1990s were a true dark age, and the saddest thing is that the adPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>227584
>Tried that once and they threw every excuse and snide remark at me over what would have been a routine operation if they just did the thing they should have done in the first place… and then they don't even do it right and I just have to live with it. When you see things like that, you know it's not about a personal problem or feelings


WELL, That's sad - your doc probably had a problem on that day hence the "couldnt even get it right"

Well, I found this website so it's not all bad if there is some new blood. Knew about Wizchan forever, but I "earned my wings" only a few months ago. Site being dead isn't a big deal, all imageboards are now dead, even cuckchan. Just how things are these days. Considering how fucked in the head zoomies are, there won't be any shortage of new wizards, exposure to the internet from womb, and porn with it, fries the brain of the new generation and that is going to screw them up harder than we are.

Anyways, I don't really understand the whole talk of suicide. We are about to live in very interesting times, maybe we will even get a proper boogaloo. It seems there is a happening every other week if not every other day, at least pick a more boring time to check out. Personally, I am hoping to at the very least see the UK or some other shithole country fall apart in my lifetime before I go, maybe see the race war finally kick off somewhere.

>>226439
I don't come here frequently, and just last year started enganging in discussions in any image board. I wish I had utilized them before, but they weren't very appealing, nor was my english very good.

>>226552
>>226612

Pretty much this. I'm from 2000, I was too little to use boards online when they were big, and they weren't as popular in my country. Today, there are more visual media that is easier to engage with. Here is all text and a few images, which you must have saved some in your computer to use them later. That is another problem as only a few people use the computer more than the cellphone. I don't know what wizchan looks like in mobile, but certainly its much better on browser version.

And I also have some trouble with the captcha in this site.

Moved to >>>/b/1032361.

>>226338
This is also true, the overall quality of the internet has been deteriorating to the point real people are indistinguishable from bots

>>226339
Most people ARE soulless NPC biological automatons.

You only notice it now because in the past normies were a less than 0,1% minority on forums, imageboards
and websites in general. You only encountered their retardation in real life.

>>226040
I mostly use it for its intended purpose, as a limitless library to extract whatever media I fancy. Books, films, music, games - I torrent something to read/watch/listen/play every day, perks of living outside first world.

Sometimes I watch stuff on youtube or search things on google using the tag
>before:2012

Sometimes I think of something I want to research or read about and use alternative search engines such as Marginalia in order to dig out obscure blogs.

When I play games, I sometimes alt tab into the wiki or a thread on a forum discussing build paths, current quests, detailing a feature.

I also play an MMO so that's the only reason I'm on the internet for more than 2 hours a day.

No wonder people troll each onther online all the time.


>whenever i meet a new stranger online, i will ask them, "what sort of websites do you go to? do you have online friends?" and 9 out of 10 times, they won't respond at all. i think they do nothing, too.


no wonder trolling is a thing these days…

>>226040
become an hero

So… download a modern LLaMa on your computer to chat with


and a funny A.l.i.c.e.-1966 chatbot to feel the 60 years of difference

>>221760
This is some industrial grade anti-intellectualism.

Personally it helped me a lot. I didn't divulge things that I decided to keep confidential and got help from most of my other troubles I could talk about with a licensed professional. Your mileage will vary from therapist to therapist, but most of them will be able to help you in some way. I should stress that therapy will not help you if you do not have a desire to change and discipline to follow through, otherwise it's just a waste of time. I know some of my friends who have been on therapy for many years and I belive that's just complete bullshit and you are wasting your or someone else's money to vent to a therapist. LLMs also give you bullshit advice, validate your delusions that put you in a bad spot in the first place and they record everything you send to them. Don't divulge your deepest secrets to a bunch of evil companies.

My personal advice to anyone on imageboards seeking advice is to consult a person in person that is already doing well in life and willing to lend some help. I cannot understate how many years I have lost listening to bullshit advice I have read on imageboards, and I highly recommend that - if you have a genuine desire to change - you chart your own fate with your best judgment and a discipline and follow the advice of competent people around you.

I don't understand how therapy can help unless you are lonely and need some sense of security that is brought by talking to a trusted person.
Anyway, all people that shill therapy never explain what they were treating and what the therapist did to help them.
It's like that >>227590 anon described: uh, well, therapy helps, but you need to put in le work and shiiiet…
Okay, if it works, why nobody gives me concrete examples.
I want:
>Their diagnosis
>The symptoms they were treating
>What exactly the therapist did
>How it helped in concrete ways
>How their quality of life improved after therapy
But you never hear that.

>>227591
Do you really think you are entitled to my medical information? That's wild.