No.222647
I figured I've already experienced everything junk food, chocolates, cakes and ice creams can offer as an experience.
They no longer give me dopamine, just bloating and an overall sense of unwellness & brain fog.
Life is very short and I'd like to be in shape even if just once during my existence. So far I lost 12 pounds, which is an okay start but not great.
I aim to work out 3 times a week, and on the 4 other days light cardio such as walking for an hour.
Diet has been redesigned to involve a lot of lean meat, fresh produce, eggs, walnuts and water instead of sodas.
If I crave something sweet, it's gonna be a banana or berries, maybe a kiwi or orange.
What do you think? Have you tried to live healthier or are you already healthy?
So far I haven't lost motivation but it's only been 6 months. I find it has had a moderately positive effect on my depression too. If I can pull it off I'll keep the rhythm up for the rest of my life.
No.222652
>>222647Not suddenly but yes, I do care about my health. I used to have pretty bad health anxiety ever since my early teens, every few months or so I would find some new terminal condition that I had and fully believe that I would die soon. Last year I started having digestive issues and it suddenly hit me that I'm just 27 and I might never have a 'normal' stable digestion ever again without taking supplements with every meal. I'm hoping that I can get it under control by cleaning up my diet and taking some probiotics for a while.
As for exercising, luckily I never got too out of shape even though I was never super diligent about working out regularly. I've found a channel called kboges, who introduced me to the idea of doing basic calisthenics every day, keeping the reps to a level where you can work out again the day after without issue. It's more about 'physiological hygiene' than it is working out I guess. That approach has worked well for me because it allowed me to do very little volume in the beginning to keep the fatigue in check but being able to do it daily since it wasn't much volume and didn't take much time. As for cardio, I walk my dogs and where I live there are a lot of hills so it's almost more of a hike, albeit not a super long one. I guess I could do a bit better in that regard.
Nevertheless, slow and steady progress is by far more important than chasing the instant gratification of a hard workout, a lesson I had to learn multiple times before it finally sunk in that I am simply not capable of generating much effort towards these things.
I would like to eliminate as much processed foods as possible from my diet, essentially just eating some combination of potatoes/rice + seasonal veggies + protein source (though rarely meat) and then nuts and fruit to supplement. I'm also quitting caffeine and it has helped with sleeping and keeping my energy more stable throughout the day.
Like you, it has helped somewhat with my depression, I'm still very much in the depths of it but I think it's mostly manageable now.
No.222653
>>222652i got completely off probiotics simply by cutting out all fast carbs for a year. now my gut is normal again.
also my face is now a normal color instead of reddish.
No.222656
>>222653Long term that's definitely the plan. But for now I'm going to keep using them to help with my IBS symptoms. Do you still consume dairy?
No.222657
>>222656small amounts of dairy are ok. lots of dairy = red face. i have zero lactose intolerance so its just tons of dairy creating inflammation for some reason (maybe antibiotics in cows).
No.222661
>>222657I also have a red face. Pretty sure the red cheeks are hereditary but my nose has always been pretty red and inflamed looking. Fasting for extended periods usually helps clear up my skin so it's likely diet related.
No.222662
>>222661Autism and rosacea are strongly interlinked for some reason. One explanation in scientific journals is that both are hereditary immune system faults which lead to neurological and physical symptoms.
Since rosacea can be greatly reduced with a low inflammation diet, I wonder if one can also become more neurotypical with time if they avoid inflammatory foods for years or decades. The brain is very neuroplastic.
No.222663
I am very strict about following what i think is an optimal diet. I am still mentally fucked. If i eat unhealthy food now like chocolate it makes me feel sick and hurts my stomach so i dont even feel like eating it. That's probably just because my body is not used to it anymore. I can't tell if diet makes any meaningful difference to mental health or energy levels (unless you're fat of course).
No.222664
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10619695/Some reading for anyone wondering why most people on the spectrum seem to have issues with acne, redness,
rosacea and psoriasis.
It can all be more or less managed by cutting out sugar, wheat, simple starches and eating anti-inflammatory things like omega 3 oils.
No.222665
>>222661Some cases of rosacea are deleted by taking sunlight enough. Just some of them.
No.222666
>>222661>fastinghelped me too against brainfog. I used to take juices but I learnt they rest efficiency to autophagic processes
No.222675
>>222666They do. Half a liter of orange juice has as much sugar as a large bar of chocolate. It will raise your blood glucose sky high.
Juicing is stupid and incompatible with fasting.
The only exception being if you juice by only using water and green veggies in the blender - which will have around 15kcal in a massive pint and wont raise blood sugar whatsoever.
>>222665The issue gets worsened by sunlight. But the thing is, a slight tan will greatly hide the redness.
There isn't a cancer or flushing safe way to do it except self tanning drops mixed into a moisturizer.
No.222783
These harsh soaps are making my skin look like shit
No.222784
>>222783did you find a solution? im currently solving my ultra dry skin with korean skin stuff, but it costs so much
now instead of soap, i use a water called centella extract toner by mixsoon, which only has 4 ingredients, no preservatives or alcohol
but its 20 bucks for a bottle that runs out in about a week or two if i only wash in the mornings, which i cant afford as a neet
though it has made my skin finally look soft and normal instead of a dry red mess
No.222785
>>222784>though it has made my skin finally look soft and normalAdult men shouldn't strive to have soft skin.
No.222786
>>222785thats horseshit. people treat you infinitely worse if you are a 30 year old who looks like 50.
No.222787
>>222785it that meant to be masculine or something? lmao. it feels nice to have soft skin
No.222788
>>222786>people treat you infinitely worse if you are a 30 year old who looks like 50.No they don't. Stop projecting with this "you" language. People don't treat me or most other users here bad at all unless we decide to behave in a way that warrants it. I guarantee the texture of your skin and ability to fulfill your age-regression fetish witch snake oil and mystery chemicals is not one of the reasons people aren't lining up to be your friend. The evil gnomies aren't feeling you up to make sure you completed this morning's normalfag ritual. This is a thread about
health on
/wiz/, not a thread about
wearing makeup so I don't get buwwied :( on
/dep/. Unless you have eczema, there's nothing an adult man needs to do to his skin besides wash off any bacteria or poisons that get on it. Doing anything beyond that is just putting on makeup, especially in your case where you're literally putting on making to appeal to strangers like a teenage succubus. Again, health thread, not cosmetics thread.
inb4 YOU'RE LYING, on a VIRGIN BOARD>>222787>it feels nice to have soft skinFag. Your skin is the first defense against toxins, insects, bacteria, and radiation. Using chemicals to fray the cell strcucture and fill its pores with petroleum byproducts is mutilation. If that feels nice to you then you mustn't be wired up properly.
No.222790
>>222788There's nothing faggy about wanting to look presentable as a wizard.
It's even a prerequisite for those who need a job in a HCOL area and neetmoney is not an option.
Show me one single professional academic, lawyer, salesman, CFO etc who is 28 and has horrible skin.
Yeah, you can't because they don't get hired on merit alone but how presentable they look to clients.
No.222791
>>222790anyone in those jobs is a nepobaby who's granpa is rothchild himself
No.222792
>>222791In New York or California you're right. But in Colorado or Massachusetts - just another shmuck trying to survive.
No.222793
>>222790>There's nothing faggy about wanting to look presentable as a wizard. "Looking presentable" as a man can be achieved with a merely a comb, razor, and clothes that fit. Once mystery chemicals and the soft-to-the-touch texture of skin come in to question, your defense of
just wanting to look presentable falls apart on the grounds that nobody worth their weight in lizard shit considers a man's skin texture when determining if he's "presentable" or not.
>It's even a prerequisite for those who need a job in a HCOL area and neetmoney is not an option.You don't need soft skin to pick up trash, to sweep walkways, to patrol with a flashlight, cut grass, flip burgers take customer support calls, or ring up groceries.
>Show me one single professional academic, lawyer, salesman, CFO etc who is 28 and has horrible skin.>Yeah, you can't because they don't get hired on merit alone but how presentable they look to clients.This is straight up delusional. These areas are predominantly occupied by warty, wrinkly, balding, unfit troglodytes who got hired through racial nepotism. The remainders are normal humans who spent 12 years in school to prove their competency in the field. Effeminate failed Patrick Bateman here thinks he's a hotshot CEO and needs his skin as smooth as a baby's cunny or the other CFOs in the building will beat him up after work. Mega faggot.
Health thread. Not beauty thread. What did you eat to day? What muscles did you make grow through exercise? Did you get your sunshine and vitamins?
No.222796
>>222793>You don't need soft skin to pick up trash, to sweep walkways, to patrol with a flashlight, cut grass, flip burgers take customer support calls, or ring up groceries. I guess you don't live in a western country.
Outside rural areas, these jobs don't produce enough income to survive on, not to mention they are literal shit tier jobs.
Also, working out is not anathema to having good skin. Maybe you prefer being an ugly warthog, but even Schwarzenegger had great skin in his 30s.
No.222797
>>222796>I guess you don't live in a western country.I do…
>Outside rural areas, these jobs don't produce enough income to survive on..in Toronto which is incredibly expensive to live in. I work one of these types of jobs and it pays enough for rent and food.
>not to mention they are literal shit tier jobs.Hehe. Failed normie-san here needs to doll himself up for his "high tier" job or the other normies will tie he shoe laces together when he's not looking.
>Also, working out is not anathema to having good skin.Nobody said this. In fact general health and the flowing of testosterone is great for the skin, until you undo the good effects by lathering yourself up in God knows what.
>but even Schwarzenegger had great skin in his 30s.The chemicals you failed males are using to be the succubus you always wanted to be didn't exist back then. Arnie's skin was good because he sweat a lot, hit up the cold shower, had no excess fat inhibiting bloodflow, got his nutrients in, and let the sun grace every corner of his body. His skin was good because he was good to himself. You probably lead a sedentary life of stressing over looks and your "high tier" job hunt that your skin would fall off if it wasn't held in place by your clothing. Hand cream and imported soap isn't going to fix that.
No.222802
>>222797This isn't about hand creams or extreme preening, this discussion started with the claim that having good skin is a good thing for a man.
Looking like a homeless janitor sucks even if you are a wizard who has no interest in dating anyone.
A lot of people have disgusting skin by default which at the very least needs moisturizing to not appear flaky, red and dry.
No.222813
I’ve been focusing on my health since the start of the year. I started lifting weights and have already dropped about 19 pounds while putting on a bit of muscle—though weight loss wasn’t really the goal. I was loving it, until I tweaked my shoulder (leaned back onto some weights I didn’t see behind me). So now I’m just doing boring cardio while I wait for it to heal.
The biggest issue I’m still dealing with is my terrible sleep pattern. I’ve got ADHD and some autism stuff going on, which makes me insanely sensitive to changes in routine—meal times, wake times, whatever—all of it wrecks my sleep. So I’m trying to lock in a strict schedule now and see if that helps.
I used to work as a software engineer, but honestly, I’m starting to see a future where I leave tech behind entirely. The lifestyle is miserable. I’m pretty convinced modern life in general is unhealthy—most of us are slowly falling apart from spending eight hours a day in front of a screen. If I make real progress on my health, I might move toward something more traditional. Honestly, the Amish are starting to look like the smart ones.
No.223052
I do because I've been feeling bad for years, and people I've spoken with have mentioned around my age is when they started feeling aches and pains. I was suicidal and my plan was the typical "drink myself to death" not a good idea. you can live decades with pain, would rather feel healthy and if I ever needed to suicide I can just jump off a building
No.223053
Last year I started eating fruit every day after having a bad diet for years. I don't really exercise although I should
No.223073
>>223071
This is a myth by weirdo RW diet grifters that have spawned in the past few years. Fruits have sugar, yes, but they also have a lot of other stuff good for us.
No.223078
>>223073true but it's still one of the less important factors of your diet. cant fix a bad diet by simply adding daily fruit and not even exercising
No.223137
>>223131
OP here.
You can get vitamin C from lots of veggies as well, broccoli has tons of it, and cabbage (among many).
Fruits do taste nice though. I see absolutely no harm in ingesting 8 grams of fructose from a single fruit every once in a while. It also has fiber, minerals and other vitamins.
Fruit is only as problematic as candy if you eat tons of it daily.
No.223187
>>223171wish i could. i dont like steak tbh but eggs are amazing. they last so long in the fridge and are a source of protein that doesnt taste like crap. i think carnivore is worth a try if your taste buds and stomach can take it.
No.223188
>>223171It's just too expensive man. There's a reason poor countries have meat once a week as a treat, if at all.
No.223189
>>223171Tried it and my body felt weaker.
Now I eat lots of meat/steak and lots of dark green vegetables. I sleep better, no brain fog and slightly happier.
I no longer eat bread at all.
No.223190
>>223189>lots of dark green vegetables>literally oxalatecut it now
No.223199
>>223190Oxalate overload is only an issue if juicing lots of it saily. I avoid juicing.
No.223202
>>223199Hm okay then. What are your proportions (cm/kg)?
No.223213
>>223202185cm and 83kg, but it's mostly muscle because I worked out and managed to drop to 12% body fat by following advice posted here such as avoiding high blood sugar, and intermittent fasting.
I did two cycles of testosterone with pct pills and aromatase inhibitors and don't want to do it again. I got good gains out of it and trying to maintain them now. So far nothing lost 4 years later (in muscle mass).
No.223215
>>223213same as you, 185cm and 85kg but Im skinny. fat lol
No.223220
>>222647I've been living a lot healthier this year. It was surprisingly easy for me. As you said cheap treats don't really provide as much joy as feeling stronger and healthier from constant work on self improvement. Recently I've even been tracking calories which I never thought I would do and it's surprising how easy it is now and how easy you drop weight when you just put a little bit of thought on what you eat and you still get to treat yourself every once in a while, specially if you actually do some exercise.
Honestly thinking back about this, being healthy isn't hard at all, and I'm suspicious on why it was treated as some super cumbersome thing in media and by a lot of society. If I've had spent one of the hours of the day I spent just wasting away looking at a screen since high school I would be incredibly fit today. But I guess the second best time to start is today.
No.223221
This place is full of tallfags
No.223230
>>223220its because of fat people and fat logic
No.223234
>>223220Agreed. I cant believe my parents or school or anything couldnt just teach this to me. I had to wait until being over 30 and teach myself these most basic and important things. School 'physical education' was absolute torture filled with skill-based social games, why not just give some time to use a pull up bar and some weights…?
No.223235
>>223234Because the general population is fat, dumb and low IQ. My parents were also fat slobs who fed me nothing but wheat and processed food all my childhood and adolescence, fucking up my hormonal profile.
It took the internet and random men online giving me advice, then me piecing it together, to drop from 330lbs to 180 and doing weekly excercise. As well as eating healthy portions of protein and slow carbs.
It's insanely unfair some peoples parents feed prime foods to their kids since they were toddlers and some of us had to figure everything out on our own as adults. But life isn't fair.
No.223236
>>223235if you are a healthy person or serious about being healthy, you have to pretty much avoid ever talking about it to fats.
Fats have very immature personalities and will have tantrums (ive actually experienced fat adults have hysterical fits while discussing exercise) and try to rationalise why they shouldn't exercise and change their diet,
They'll try to convince others to not do these things because they are too stupid to do it themselves.
No.223238
>>223236I agree and unless you count the 0,01% who really have intestinal disorders, most fat people are just mentally retarded.
My mom even thought slim people are always unhappy or sad because "they have to eat salads".
Like the greatest joy in life you could have is stuffing a cake down your throat.
I don't know how I turned out normal weight and graduated uni with the genetics I inherited. Likely just genetic recombination and luck. My siblings are all +400lbs mouthbreathers (and not nice people).
No.223239
>>223238Thing is humans are not even supposed to feel hunger, we get hungry because of all the processed sugar and carbs making us hungry. When you cut them out of your diet your hunger is suppressed. It's something a human is only suppose to feel when they are starving.
No.223249
>>223238There's a not-to-insignificant link between obesity and sociopathy, specifically low functioning sociopaths. Lots of the deathfats you see around are just callous and evil people.
No.223250
>>223249Thats what i realised. I've never seen the jolly fat person stereotype in my life.
They have been all without exception nasty people.
No.223251
really the fact fats have tried to present themselves as an oppressed minority for advantage is proof of their sociopathy.
it's literally the Dredd fatty meme come to life.
No.223257
fats are literally hitler
No.223263
>>223213I am 182cm tall and weigh in the 50s. I can't gain weight since I was little, I can't eat properly because I am NEET, otherwise I would follow a carnivore diet. I live in a 3rd world country where meat is very expensive so it is very difficult to access meat.
No.223264
>>223263>I am 182cm tall and weigh in the 50sDamn have you considered combat sports? You'll bully 160 cm flyweight manlets.
No.223266
>>223264No, I'm a weak, sissy faggot who's afraid to fight. If I weighed between 80-90 kg, I wouldn't be afraid to However if I do anything that requires the slightest effort, I get low blood pressure and vomiting. This low blood pressure and vomiting started when I was 10 years old. Maybe related to being underweight? Who knows.
No.223271
>>223270
>as God intended.
as Nature intended, fixed.
No.223278
>>223266Yeah you're severely underweight. Do you have an eating disorder? You need to eat more. Do prolonged physical movement like walking or tai chi if you can't exercise. If you have no appetite you can try liquid food like a protein shake or soup. I use soy-based protein powder because they're cheap and they're also cereal instant drink that's not too expensive.
>If I weighed between 80-90 kg, I wouldn't be afraid to Combat sports have weight classes so you'll be fighting people who roughly weight the same as you.
No.223282
>>223278Thanks for your advice, but the last time I left my house was 5 months ago. I don't have the strength to do anything, I get tired even when I eat. I can't get motivated to get a job, I'm afraid to apply. I don't even have anything to eat at home except slave “foods”.
No.223300
>>222785Why not?
>>222788>Your skin is the first defense against toxins, insects, bacteria, and radiationSo having it cracked and damaged is an inherent good? I get you want to look like le wise old man but you just look like shit in a crowd of people who look like shit
>>222813>I’m pretty convinced modern life in general is unhealthy—most of us are slowly falling apart from spending eight hours a day in front of a screen.That was a novel idea fifteen years ago. You should still write a Ted Talk on it and join the blogosphere since that fact hasn't stopped anyone else
No.223354
>>223300>That was a novel idea fifteen years ago. You should still write a Ted Talk on it and join the blogosphere since that fact hasn't stopped anyone elseDon't appreciate the shade for no reason. But what I'm starting to see is that many valid pieces of advice we start to ignore because they're given so often or they're given by the wrong people. So what are high-impact, simple, pieces of advice, some that are even essential, end up not being done. I've ignored advice from people before just because they would annoy me with it over and over. So in a sense their good intentions just sabotaged me. kind of ironic. lmao.
No.225721
>>223300>>I’m pretty convinced modern life in general is unhealthy—most of us are slowly falling apart from spending eight hours a day in front of a screen.<That was a novel idea fifteen years ago.
Agreed; I still remeber how the public perception has been shifting from "if it weren't for some lazy bums, we would be healthy" (early 2000s) to "looks like we're all affected by this
sedentery lifestyle thingy" (2010s)
No.225757
Yes, the only thing that anchors me to reality is working out, so eating well is part of the package.
No.225758
>suddenly
you mean after 10 years of it being shilled on every imageboard incessantly
No.225759
>>225758OP here.
I lost motivation last month and already got a pudgy face from chocolates, pizza and potato chips.
Eating healthy every single day was depressing as fuck because my life has no other dopamine sources.
This only works for people who have multiple sources of happiness.
No.225880
>>225759>dopamine sourcesblyatb
eating bananas would fill you with tyrosine
tyrosine would be your supply to make dopamine
then, you can get dopamine with a 40$ feet massaging machine / 10$ neck machine
also, a retro PC to play GOG-tier vidya
then, you're set.
what kind of tasty treats are you eating, by the way?
No.225881
>>225759>>225880>chocolate>chips>pizzaKinda been here.
You need real meat to fullfill the void though.
try shaving REAL bitter chocolate with creamy dairy products instead.
No.225887
>>225881Also, if you want something cheaper than REAL MEAT, ask AI how to deal with certain deficiencies common in vegans
again, BEEN THERE thx mom! had to fix my life all by myself
No.225890
>>225881Yeah, but all the tasty meat out there turned out to
be too expensive for me to eat them daily. If I could, I'd eat steak daily.
No.225892
>Did the all meat diet
>suddenly have tight chest and high blood pressure
Should've really thought this would be obvious. But I'm giving it up now for my health and eating more vegetables again.
I don't think all the salt and drinking was helping though.
No.225895
>>225892My perfect balance was lots of meat AND vegetables.
The stuff I cut out was wheat, sugar, hfcs, sodas and palm oil/canola oil.
Never felt better in my life. Brain fog lifted completely, easily got a job, easier to learn new things, got motivation to train at gym, dropped to like 15% body fat with minimal conscious effort.
No.225896
>>225890You know, yeah.
In our country, GDP per PPP is astonishingly high thanks to ridiculously cheap eggs and very affordable pork. Not the right time to "fast" here, methinks
No.225897
>>225895This.
I also got better when I ditched processed meaties (sausages, cervelas) and snacks for bricks of meat to cook.
Having a decent-priced teflon-coated frying pan + a plastic spatula instead of the cheapest one also helps - its not like I am healthmaxxing, yet still, i have less /dep/isodes in my life now and that's what matters
No.225900
healhtmaxxing is what every self worth wiz-NEET should strive for.
No.225903
>>225900What a difference to 2014 when every wiz here was bragging about how many burgers, pizzas and candy bags they managed to down in the last 24 hours.
Leave that 600lbs life shit to the normies. Being healthy is awesome.
No.225904
>>225903Do you think that was a different generation? I feel like the current gen of wiz are more serious.
No.225905
I have lost 100 pounds twice in my life, each time i just end up gaining it all back. for a time i stopped caring about my health, i know full well being fat is unhealthy and would haunt me in old age.
but i didnt care.
Then one day whilst having my blood pressure taken some nurse who i think likes me or maybe she was just being nice noticed i have extremely high blood pressure, and now i have to take medication and be on a diet. no salt, no sweets, no bread, no soda. its been hard but i have lost 20 pounds on a diet alone.
No.225931
>>225904Has to be. I'm a 45 year old oldfag and nobody on 2ch or wizchan gave a shit about health or normal weight a decade or two ago. People were discussing all the slop and sweets they ate yesterday and glorified junk food.
Modern wizards (20-35) are into all kinds of normie stuff like gym, looksmaxing and watching what you put into your body.
Even some people who claim to do sports regularly.
No.225940
I live with my sisters, who are responsible for going to the market and cooking. Because of this, it is almost impossible for me to watch my diet. It doesn't help that they grew up with the absurd mentality that "men need to eat more than succubi," which may have been true in my parents' day when men worked on farms. However, my job consists of sitting in front of a computer all day.
No.225945
>>225940Men do have a naturally higher RMR than succubi at equal weight but the difference is marginal, around 200kcal a day or a single twinkie.
No.225949
>>225940Ouch. Same setting.
Me mum be cooking whatever she likes.
Good thing is, she isn't into soda, so at least I can work around her cooking
>>225931
>People were discussing all the slop and sweets they ate yesterday and glorified junk food.Computer haxxors has moved to biohacking, I suppose
>>222647>Any wizards here who have suddenly started caring about health?Not sure if "suddenly", but I came to a realization a lot of my "psy"/"soul" stuff such as discipline, mood, ability to sleep and other stuff is tied to itty bitty funny stuff you can't detect without a miscroscope - microelements and stuff.
I tried nagging AI with "what supplements vegans have to take to avoid the side effects of vegan diet?" and got some (B12 vitamin, D vitamin, B group vitamins in general etc.)
I also eat Fe supplements to avoid hidden anemia
Context: me mum cuts meat and dairy because Orthodoxy, thus fasting.
No.225982
>>225905I dont diet but I've lost probably 30 pounds in the last month or so, since the tariffs made doordash 3x more expensive, and I sweat a lot more since it's summer + muh jerb forces me to haul my fat ass around moving heavy u-boats 24/7 while normies constantly bitch at me (social anxiety stress = a lot of nervous sweats)
No.225987
>>225982>moving heavy u-boats 24/7 while normies constantly bitch at me (social anxiety stress = a lot of nervous sweats)
>u-boatssure thing, Kriegsmariner
No.226009
>Have you tried to live healthier
No.
Also I don't like eating, so I can only eat junk, at least it tastes like something.
No.226013
>>226009lifehax
use galina blanka to make boiled meat tasty like junkslop