No.224095
Is a Wiz or someone who is walking through the path of Wzhood allowed to feel lonliness? Of course there's a difference between feeling lonely due to the lack of a succubus and feeling lonely due to the general lack of company, a sense of community and, so on, nowadays when i hear the word "lonliness" it's typically used in the context of romantic and sexual love, both are of course unwizardy, but you hear people (normals and crabs) saying that having friends is not enough for the feelings of lonliness to fade, ,they need a a G.F, I will talk about my self, for most of my life i was more than okay by being friendless and having a poor relationship with my family, and i almost never cared for having a G.F given how stressful having a one seemed to be, but recently i have been feeling painfully lonely, i look at works of fiction such as one piece, where luffy has a friend circle who are with him all the time, i can see why they say we are social creatures, i thought i was fine entirely by my self, but that urge to belong to a company eventually hit me, i can't escape my nature, i hate this urge even though it's purely related to the lack of social connection with family members and my peers nothing romantic or sexual, sorry for ramblings, i can't articulate everything well, honestly, i just wanted to talk about the subject of lonliness away from the "wtf no G.F" topic, and i wish to hear what you all have to say on the subject of lonliness.
No.224096
>>224095Isolation is my only companion.
No.224100
>>224095having "friends", family or a succubus is no different than the instant gratification coping mechanism.
No.224101
>>224100No, participating in the normal natural human experience is not a "cope" for anything.
No.224102
I've been lonely for so long that I can't even dig up those feelings from the mountain of copes that cover them. I sure wish I had a friend, but for what? What would I do with him? I have nothing to offer and I wouldn't want my friendship to have such transactional nature.
I had a few friends from school days, but failed to keep in touch with any of them. Some of them dropped me when they found new, better friends. Some of them moved on with their lives, got higher education, respectable jobs, wives, and so on. What good would a social dropout like me, be to them? So I decided not to bother them, they're probably too busy with their lives to waste their time on someone who has nothing to give, and anyway I'd feel inadequate and small compared to them.
Damn it, now I feel like a retard, always left behind, no one wants to pull useless me along with them. I guess it's hard to find someone like-minded, and no wonder - people like me don't come out unless we have to.
No.224104
>>224102the chorus of this song is in direct response to the verses.
there is nothing to address about the person seeking friends and feeling like they stand alone. none of these things warrant running or hiding from life itself. it's a wonderful life.
is your post the verse, and in your heart you have the chorus?
i hope so
No.224105
>>224102I struggle to make friends online, I can't imagine how rough it would be trying to make friends in the real world, but I haven't tried it and it's too late now as I am out of school.
No.224106
>>224101there is nothing natural about that human experience and it is full of copes even for the normalfag npcs.
these normalfags are lonely most of the time too, but fake friends, a succubus they think will stick around forever or shitty family that pretends to be a good family is literallly all distractions from loneliness.
eventually most normalfaggots end up lonely too after their friends drop them, their succubus cheats on them and their family abandons them.
happens all the time to normalfags.
many of them kill themselves as soon as these copes fall away.
No.224108
>>224106You're mentally retarded, and you cope by writing long posts of nonsense on imageboards.
No.224109
>>224108He has some valid points, but the fact is family and kids are a natural cope. It's the only thing that keeps most normies going in this shitworld.
I wouldn't even be alive if my parents didn't care enough to financially assist me.
No.224110
>>224109>the fact is family and kids are a natural cope.That's not true when you actually speak English and know the definition of "cope".
No.224111
If you want to eat cookies, eating cookies is not a cope for wanting to eat cookies.
No.224113
>>224108you are a butthurt normalfaggot tourist and my post is so truthful that it triggers you.
why dont you go and cope by interacting with normalfaggots? why do you normalfag losers even come here?
No.224116
>>224113Calling people who disagree with your crappy posts "butthurt normalfaggot tourists" doesn't work anymore. Learn what the English word "cope" means before participating on an English imageboard.
No.224117
>>224116>doesn't work anymorebut it works, I called you out and here you are seething.
just go back to whatever normalfaggot shithole you came from, normalfags like you arent welcome here.
No.224118
>>224095You can have friends and still feel lonely. I know this from experience, I never felt understood by any of them. I stopped caring once I realized it makes no difference in my case.
No.224124
>>224117Why are you purposely misusing a word from a language that is clearly not your first? Someone asking you this doesn't make them a normalnigger.
No.224126
>>224110You wouldn't exist if your parents didn't attempt to fill a void in their life with a kid.
No.224129
>>224126My parents had kids because they wanted kids. See
>>224111 No.224135
>>224129Which makes having kids a perfectly natural cope. Therr is nothing unnatural about it.
I'm not a normie so I have other copes.
No.224136
yeah i feel lonely online these days but it wasn't always like this
in the old days i think everyone had their "perfect self" persona on display online - basically being who they truly are - like a funny goofball, super serious guy, angry guy, pseudo intellectual, weeabu, etc and you were like ok this makes sense but these days the online users it's like these caricatures of their real life personality mixed with some online meme larp, everyone is some kind of pro god gamer or God of discord or God gatekeeper of anime it's all so tiresome and all these people are insufferable and fake and gay posers
No.224144
I don't know to be likeable enough for people and I tried plenty of basic advice in this regard
No.224148
I'm still at loss what does "crab" means exactly. From cursory lurking, it does seem to be used in exact same contexts as involuntary celibacy would, to the point of apparently serving as a wordfilter replacement for it's portmanteau, but etymology is unclear. Best I can conjure is the relation with "crab bucket" idiom, but if there is any nuance, it is lost on me and I haven't seen it used this way anywhere else.
No.224150
>>224095OP here, sorry for being retarded and misspelling the word Loneliness.
No.224156
>>224148The site doesn't want to be search index associated with the word încel so it gets changed to crab.
This site would get way more negative publicity without the filter. As it is, it stays almost undiscoverable on Google.
No.224159
>>224156That much is can be surmised from lurking, but why "crab" specifically? An acronym? A reference to "crab bucket" idiom? Unrelated etymology? What was the reasoning behind the choice of replacement?
No.224161
>>224159The admin chose it at random.
No.224167
>>224159It isn't chosen at random. It means when one crab tries to rise out of the bucket, the ones lower down will attempt to grab it to their level even if they gain nothing out of it except blocking that individual's success.
That literally happens if you put crabs in a bucket. That's where the saying "like crabs in a bucket" comes from. They are all in a miserable position and try to sabotage each other to make sure they fall back down if they try to improve their situation.
No.224172
>>224164
Crabs deserve to get discriminated against. If you can't understand at 35 that
>having a gf, getting married, having kids
is just some overrated ideal planted into your head by society then there are serious problems with you. What you want is some idealized crap you saw in movies and what in actuality only makes people miserable irl.
No.224181
>>224172>virgins should get discriminated againstlol
>some overrated ideal planted into your head by society reproduction is not an ideal planet into you by society
it's something inherent to living organisms passed on by DNA if you don't do it then you suffer whether you want it or not or have a disability or disorder of sorts
No.224183
>>224172Claiming that those things are overrated is just as bad as claiming that they are desirable. None of us experienced it so we should have no feelings either way. It just is pointless to think about as a wizard.
No.224205
>>224172nobody even knows what a crab is bro
No.224215
>>224181There are vast differences between virgin and virgin. Some virgins just don't belong here because they still crave the normalfag life. If they could they would norm it up. End of story.
>reproduction is not an ideal planet into you by societyIt is. You can live a perfect life only if you don't bother with reproduction at all. You don't even have to be a wiz to understand this, just look at successful normalfags who refuse to have children and a family. Only delusional low level norms (who are coping about how "great" their life is) and failed normalfags are obsessed with the family life ideal. You can just masturbate as a wizard and be done with this shit. There is no inherent need in us to make children, there is an inherent need for sexual satisfaction which can be handled in various ways.
>>224183You don't have to experience something to claim that it is a negative thing. I've never been burned alive but I am absolutely sure it is a bad thing. So it is the case with the idealized normalshit life. Since the majority of humanity is made up of norms you only need to open your eyes: living that life doesn't automatically make anyone happy, if anything it brings you more suffering and troubles than it's worth.
>>224205A crab is obviously anyone who cries because he's not able to experience the normalfag life. It's not a difficult or complicated thing. Some people enjoy the loner and outsider life. Others don't and they would much rather live like others do.
No.224216
>>224183I don't give a shit about having a family or kids nor could I ever realistically achieve them, but that doesn't stop my lizard brain from pestering me about it on a weekly or daily basis.
I mean, the older I get at 30+ I even have lucid dreams where I'm feeding my toddler or taking it to daycare. And I don't even like kids.
Can't imagine how shitty it for someone who actually wants those things but can't have them.
No.224232
>>224215>I've never been burned alive but I am absolutely sure it is a bad thing.That isnt even a valid comparison at all.
There are plenty of people who are perfectly happy in a relationship with children. Saying that it is a net negative is an absolute delusion, my guy.
The question is that if it is good for you and there really is no way for you to answer that question until you experience it. Otherwise you might as well not even think about it.
No.224245
>>224232>There are plenty of people who are perfectly happy in a relationship with children.That's just pretension. You are the absolute delusional here. I guess you believe every shit normalfags post on their social media about how happy they are and how perfect their life is… Fact is most people end up divorced and have to pay child support. Or if they remain married they do so in a toxic atmosphere, only because of the kids or because of money. Grow up already, stop idealizing this shit.
>The question is that if it is good for you and there really is no way for you to answer that question until you experience it.Is it good for you if I burn you alive? According to your logic you have no way of answering that until you experience it actually. So let's try it, what do you say?
No.224246
>>224232>who are perfectly happy in a relationship with children.Wizbro I don't usually do this but… I'm sure you could find people who would aspire to such things on /b/ lately.
No.224248
>>224247
It was a joke about being in relationship with children and the overabundance of such wizards on /b/anished.
No.224249
>>224246Ok, let's play along. Even if I could theoretically have one, it'd need to not cry unnecessarily after 12 months of age, not act like a retard and be a quick learner. If it was really dumb compared to other kids that's a no as well. I'd also prefer if it was male. If it turned out female I would not larp princess stuff with it just to placate them or make them quiet down. I'd just treat it neutrally.
So there you go. I'm not interested because the criteria is impossible to fill. With my luck it's be a mouth drooling ape who refuses to eat, flings literal shit and needs 4 hours to fall asleep. I'd rather sit in a flame than deal with that crap for 10+ years with no pause or escape.
I already know what it's like. I'm from a conservative family with a huge extended family. I was forced to occassionally babysit like a dozen toddlers and kids at 16-21 just because my parents forced me to (or I would be thrown out of my home, I couldn't afford my own at the time). I don't want a family.
No.224251
>>224245I'm not idealizing anything, I am just observing reality. There are some who are hapyp with children. There are others who are not. You are the one who has an overly negative worldview that influences every single one of your thoughts.
You keep using the fire analogy. Fire is a desctrutive thing that ends in death. There is no arguing that. Yet you are treating interpersonal relationships as the same thing, but it isn't. If finding a mate and having kids with them was such a self destructive thing, there would be huge awareness campaigns out there telling people to not do it. The fact is that it is nothing like fire, and a lot of people find joy in it. That is why they do it.
Stop being so miserable and open your eyes, life will be easier for you that way.
No.224253
>>224251Nah. The vast majority of people do it either out of obligation or because they don't like contraception. The vast majority are awful non-participating parents who do not treat their offspring well or with dignity.
No.224266
>>224251Then observe reality better. It's a fact that most people live in toxic marriages and relationships. I never ever saw or heard of a family that was happy or "well-adjusted". Even if they appeared to be on the surface I later received insight into their true life which they tried to hide from the public eye and it was all just a show. Also, this is just those who remain a family. Most people break up or divorce and that's it. If you refuse to acknowledge this then take off your rose-tinted glasses, I beg you.
No, the fire analogy is absolutely fitting.
> If finding a mate and having kids with them was such a self destructive thing, there would be huge awareness campaigns out there telling people to not do it.>a lot of people find joy in it. That is why they do it.That is assuming people are honest which again they aren't. Misery loves company and people like to embrace delusions and copes to feel better. So why do you think everyone sings hymns of the family life? It's resentment and cope. Resentment for people who don't have to worry about raising children and who don't have to adhere to the expectations of some partner. And so they cope about living the perfect life. It's the same when you hear people say shit like work is the greatest thing ever. Actually nobody likes to work and everyone would just rather NEET and enjoy life but most can't do it for whatever reason. So they invent the myth of the working man, about how noble this ideal is and shit. Same about the family life and relationshits in general. I'd go even further and say that even Chads are coping when they brag about how "perfect" the fuck-machine life they have is. They don't mention the STDs, unwanted pregnancies and all the troubles that come with sexuality at all. Why? Because people aren't honest.
You, like the moron you are, believe everything people brag about. And if we believed everything people brag about then there would be only successful, happy, satisfied people on this Earth. But experience proves us otherwise, most people are bitter and full of envy and hatred.
No.224276
>>224266>everybody>nobody>everyoneWhy is everything so black and white with you? There is good and bad. You are being blind to the ones who actually have positive experiences.
No.224280
>>224276Our fellow wizard has no real experience and bases his takes on youtubers talking about life.
If your only frame of reference for life is highschool, parents, maybe siblings, it is reasonable to reach such conclusions.
No.224302
>>224276>>224280Like I said I'm talking about my own experience. I never knew any happy family men or succubi for that matter. Only frustrated and bitter persons. Having opinions makes you think in black and white, yes. Usually people form some coherent worldview of their own sooner or later in life.
If marriage was so great then there wouldn't be so many divorces. You can't address this because it is the truth and you deliberately avoid this. Also curious that you come here, to a site supposedly for people who don't care about this thing and then start whining about how you can't have said thing or how others are deluded who don't want a gf or family. Just fuck off back to in-cels.
No.224310
>>224302Having a closed mind causes you to think in black and white. That isn't the same as having an opinion.
At any rate, my original point was that this sort of thing isn't worth caring about as a wizard. Sex and relationships are not even part of our life and wasting brainpower on it honestly is such a waste of time. Like musing on the taste of an apple when you have no taste buds. You can think about it, but it ultimately means nothing without the experience. It's mental masturbation at most, really.
No.224311
>>224310You're right, there is no point wondering whether something is worth doing or not, if it's not even an option. The fire analogy is crap, better would be space travel. We can discuss the joys and dangers of space travel, but really, no one here is an astronaut. They wouldn't let any wizard on a space ship.
But the anon you replied to formed an opinion on relationships. It would be like having an opinion on space travel, that there are only dangers and every astronaut ends up crashing on launch or stranded in space. Despite never even trying it, anon is already convinced that it's not worth doing, and surely everyone who does it actually suffers and only pretends to enjoy it. The fact that he has an opinion on relationships proves that he cares about them quite a bit. He could keep quiet, shrug, and move on. But he has to protect his ego by voicing his own values where he is actually the better and smarter one for not engaging in relationships.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want a relationship either, and I'm sure I personally would suffer if I had to bother with female bullshit. But I don't assume it's the same for everyone. I don't need to larp le supreme wizard to feel better about it. When I see a happy couple, I don't seethe by deluding myself that they secretly hate each other.
No.224312
>>224276lets be real here, maybe less than 5% of normalfags are in a happy marriage or relationshit. most normalfags get cucked, scammed and abused by succubi and they just suck it up like the desperate pussy slaves that they are.
No.224313
>>224312Do you think this was always the case? Or were there more happy marriages back when men had more power over succubi, and succubi were less promiscuous? Or were succubi always the same as they are now, just not so open about it?
No.224321
>>224313people in general just didnt have so much free time and they were kept busy with survival and work and they were also somewhat kept in line with religion and shaming by society but none of that stopped whores from being whores.
they still cheated, still tricked men for their resources and still used their pussy to get what they want.
on average a succubus is a parasite and nothing about it hs changed only that they got more brazen with this.
now I'm not saying that happy couples dont exist or that every marriage will fail and end in a divorce but the successfull ones are so rare, you would be more likely to win the lottery and not even normalfags get this.
most normalfag men end up ruined.
No.224322
>>224313Like the above poster said you're deluded. succubi have been promiscuous since the dawn of time just like other standing apes.
The Bible is full of promiscuity.
No.224334
>>224313>Do you think this was always the case? Or were there more happy marriages back when men had more power over succubi, and succubi were less promiscuous?Marriage used to serve more practical purposes, and people viewed it differently. It was closer to a business transaction than this modern concept of sanctified love between two people.
Whether you got along well or not with your spouse wasn't necessarily the number one priority. Some people probably happened to get along or be attracted to each other, but you'd also have couples that were more like colleagues. You'd marry some local succubus you've known since you were kids, and the main purpose was to establish an environment where children can be born as part of a lineage that is officially recognized by the rest of society and the church. That way, your kids can inherit your property and everyone else in society agrees on who they are and who their parents were.
Difficult to say if people were happier or not, because their expectations from it were different.
No.224345
>>224312This is correct, I always used this to cope
No.224349
>>224310>>224311You are basically the equivalent of agnostics and sceptics. "We can't know what it's like, LIKE REALLY, so we just don't have any opinion bro about this and we are soo right" Being an indecisive and fence-sitting bitch doesn't make you more "open-minded". You are just refusing to state your honest opinion and you are cloaking this with a supposed refusal of forming opinions. But we all know you go to this length of writing these replies because you actually desire a gf and family, you are just afraid you will get banned here if you go too far in expressing your feelings.
As a wizard it really makes zero sense to campaign for family values and relationships, especially on a site like this.
>>224313>Or were there more happy marriages back when men had more power over succubi, and succubi were less promiscuous?That's just wishful and delusional /pol/crap. They think everything was perfect in the past and that jews and marxism-feminism ruined everything while succubi were the same always.
No.224350
>>224349>That's just wishful and delusional /pol/crap. They think everything was perfect in the past and that jews and marxism-feminism ruined everything while succubi were the same always.Everyone agrees that things were better before recently, with general happiness is relationships being in a downfall. Who are you kidding?
No.224352
>>224350Relationships are in a downfall because divorce is allowed and females have equal rights. That doesn't mean couples and marriage used to be perfect in the past. People stuck together because the man didn't allow the wifey to divorce him and the wifey in return usually cucked the man with everyone. That's how it used to be. Well it still is like that nowadays in many cases.
I'm reading a book currently that mentions how young men (teenagers) essentially gangbanged lonely wives during war times in my country while the husband was away fighting in the war. And no, this didn't happen in the liberal big cities, this was a custom in the small conservative villages. This is the past /pol/fags idealize. Cheating and cucking has always been a part of human relationships and you kids can't accept this. How sad.
General happiness, I don't know what you mean by that but I'm happy I wasn't born 50 years ago. In the modern world people have more rights, less obligations and technology has made many things easier. I like existing nowadays. The internet alone makes it so much more comfier to be a wiz. A wizard in the 50s or 60s had to go to the library if he wanted to engage in escapism. Now? You just get before your pc or laptop and have infinite fun. Why should I hate this?
No.224392
>>224349Agnosticism is the only non-egoistical stance. Both atheists and religious nutjobs are 100% convinced they are right with no proof either way (though I admit the burden of proof is on the religious nutjobs).
Also, it's the least primitive stance. Whereas atheists like you and violent theists like wahhabi muslims/militant christians want to kill anyone who doesn't pick a side because it's "cowardly", as if it's a war.
Grow up. You're a tiny speck of dust in an infinite universe. You, me or the pope don't have a shred of evidence on how this all came to existence. All we have are theoretical models like the BB, or even worse than that, ancient jewish and sanskrit texts.
No.224394
>>224392I'm not an atheist, I'm very much convinced that God is real. I don't follow any organized religion though but I do believe in God. I can't prove anything of course, it's just my own belief.
That aside, people like you who are still obsessed with objectivity, evidence and "non-egoistical stances", you people are the actual children who need to grow up. Who cares about objectivity? People only parrot this to give more authority to their subjective opinion over others' subjective opinions. If you need something to be objectively true in order to believe in it then you can wait all your life, it won't happen ever, you can't know anything for 100%. Nothing can be proven, for all we know the Matrix is true and you are sleeping in some pod and dreaming all of this. How can you even prove that you are real? Or that the world exists? You can't prove shit. But that shouldn't stop you from forming your own opinions and sticking by them. Only a moron refuses to form opinions because he needs more proof or needs something to be proven ""objectively"".
The fact is the only authority you need to refer to is yourself. You are the source of your own opinions, values, morals, etc. Not the outside world, not the gods, not objectivity…Subjective perception is the source of all things. People should hurry up and embrace this already instead of clinging to delusional terms like objectivity, universal truth, proof, etc. that are pure cringe.
It's okay to stay neutral when you are a kid or still young. But there comes a time when you have to put down before others what you personally believe in and to put things in order for yourself. Nobody is impartial or neutral totally. You have your opinions but you hide behind scepticism because you are a coward who is afraid of being proven wrong. That's not how a man should live. A man should have things he believes in and things he fights for. That's what life is about. Forcing your subjective opinion on those around you.
No.224411
>>224394To disregard truth for your own benefit is the essence of evil. It's exactly what breeders do. They either believe in a false fantasy of love and that they and their child will be happy and everything will be alright, or they don't think about the consequences at all.
If you want something to believe in, why don't you believe in love? Go have sex and make a child, like the adult that you think you are. It's the most "subjective faith" thing to do. Be a man and do it, normalfag. Fight for your genes. That's what life is about. Force a being to live with your genes.
No.224412
>>224394Your beliefs are based on nothing. Your smugness and "stance" comes from a lifetime of indoctrination from your local community, otherwise you'd be just as likely to be a hindu or buddhist instead of christian.
How many hindus live in your community?
Yeah, none of you "chose" your religious affiliation. You're all products of wherever you live.
No.224413
>>224411Normals are all about objectivity and universal values, that's why we call them normals. They think everyone should adhere to some sacred values, be it having sex or having friends or trying to live by society's values etc. They get offended whenever they encounter anyone who is different from the so called objective idea of what a person should be like.
As long as you are spooked by terms like objectivity, truth and universal morals you are still thinking like normalfags.
>why don't you believe in love?Because I don't want to. Simple.
>>224412Learn to read, idiot. Which part of
>I don't follow any organized religion thoughyou can't understand? I'm not a christian, hindu or buddhist or whatever so your whole post is retarded.
>Your beliefs are based on nothing.Yeah, that was my whole point. Again, learn some basic reading comprehension. Beliefs are based on nothing. You can't prove anything for sure. So might as well just believe whatever you want to.
No.224984
objectively "reality" does not exist, but applying logical thought to your observed reality is not wrong either
neither is it wrong to consciously forgo logical thought when you want to
i apply no logical thought when deciding whether i want 2 or 4 sausages with my eggs when making breakfast, i apply no logical thought when dragging my drowsy body to work down the same route every day, i apply no logical thought when ignoring social interactions
i may apply logical thought to these things post-factum, but there's nothing in this world that could ever mandate that i do so, apart from me
and i know sure as shit that i am, at my core, not a logical machine, and neither is anybody in the thread
the worst thing any of you can do is assume that their logic is infallible, for it's rigidity and "correctness" is precisely what causes it to fail when you fail to consider at every step the entire complexity of whatever consideration it is that you're applying logic to, especially due to literally not knowing the entire extent of said complexity through no actionable fault of your own
atheism ("there is no god") can't possibly be a rigorously provable position
agnosticism ("there is no way to know if there's gods or not") is not an actionable position to force on people in order to deny specific beliefs they hold
theism ("there is some kinda god/gods") is not a concrete position but a massively, almost infinitely wide sea of different ones informed by cultural environment, persona ldevelopment history, and how many sausages i (not you, wiz) had for breakfast today and whether i sprinkled red pepper on them before eating, among an infinite multitude of other factors
if you passionately claim to have a truthier truth than this, you're just being rude even if you don't mean to
No.224985
>>224984This isn't even midwit level of pseudo intellectuality.
This is full nitwit stupidity.
No.224991
>>224984I have to disagree with your first premise, however coherent the rest of them may be. That said, one clarification
When you say "objectively reality doesn't exist" is it a refutation of ding an sich or the capacity to experience it?
No.225055
>>224984subjectivity is the domain of succubi
truth should be the highest value for men