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I am killing myself within the next month
How can I ensure that I will go to heaven when I die? I haven't been to church since childhood and I am a bad person.
How can I ensure that I will go to heaven when I die? I haven't been to church since childhood and I am a bad person.
There is no heaven or hell.
You will decompose and rot just like a dog or cat who dies, or a rodent.
"You" wont experience the void though since it can't be experienced.
You will just snap back into existence as some living entity somewhere in the universe after an unknown time period.
Just like you were randomly snapped out of the void on this planet Earth to your parents.
It's not "you" of course since there is no soul, your "soul" dies with your brain.
You will decompose and rot just like a dog or cat who dies, or a rodent.
"You" wont experience the void though since it can't be experienced.
You will just snap back into existence as some living entity somewhere in the universe after an unknown time period.
Just like you were randomly snapped out of the void on this planet Earth to your parents.
It's not "you" of course since there is no soul, your "soul" dies with your brain.
Heaven is just a nihilist meme made up to give peasants something to cope with when they were living at the bottom of a highly stratified society with no social mobility. It basically made them give up on this world and accept a brutal life of wageslavery and misery for their masters in exchange for a made up paradise they will only reach if they follow the rules and be a good goy.
As a wizard you should just completely ignore all religious nonsense
As a wizard you should just completely ignore all religious nonsense
>>249309
>Heaven is just a nihilist meme made up to give peasants something to cope with when they were living at the bottom of a highly stratified society with no social mobility.
>It basically made them give up on this world and accept a brutal life of wageslavery and misery for their masters
The best summary I've seen so far of all religions (though I also agree with >>249301 fully).
Too bad this site isn't degenerate and include awards or I would buy you a gold award for that.
>Heaven is just a nihilist meme made up to give peasants something to cope with when they were living at the bottom of a highly stratified society with no social mobility.
>It basically made them give up on this world and accept a brutal life of wageslavery and misery for their masters
The best summary I've seen so far of all religions (though I also agree with >>249301 fully).
Too bad this site isn't degenerate and include awards or I would buy you a gold award for that.
Just convert to Gnostic Suicide Cult that believes all suicides are rewarded with instant heaven
>>249297
Now that the immature atheists have expressed their opinions, for Christianity all you need to do is sincerely believe in God and sincerely ask him to forgive your sins. Going to church is not required.
Now that the immature atheists have expressed their opinions, for Christianity all you need to do is sincerely believe in God and sincerely ask him to forgive your sins. Going to church is not required.
>>249368
What the fuck are you doing in this forum? Back to 4chan you epik kelistani LOW iq LARPer
What the fuck are you doing in this forum? Back to 4chan you epik kelistani LOW iq LARPer
>Killing yourself
>Going to Heaven
doesn't work like this.
Did Christ throw away His Cross? And you think you're greater than Him to throw away yours?
>Going to Heaven
doesn't work like this.
Did Christ throw away His Cross? And you think you're greater than Him to throw away yours?
No such thing as heaven…
you will reincarnate again and repeat the cicle to learn what you were meant to learn in this life, You'll probably born as a diseased thirdwolder since the probabilities of being born white in the first world are ridiculously low.
you will reincarnate again and repeat the cicle to learn what you were meant to learn in this life, You'll probably born as a diseased thirdwolder since the probabilities of being born white in the first world are ridiculously low.
Don't know why people here believe in reincarnation, must be some hard wired desire to be eternal even while being miserable. Believing in reincarnation is the same bullshit as believing in some afterlife heaven.
>>249437
>Believing in reincarnation is the same bullshit as believing in some afterlife heaven.
nice way to show you have not been able to think this through at all.
How is it anything alike?
>Believing in reincarnation is the same bullshit as believing in some afterlife heaven.
nice way to show you have not been able to think this through at all.
How is it anything alike?
I wouldn’t recommend it, killing yourself will probably send you to a hellish realm due to negative final thoughts
>>249438
Both of them are desperate responses to the fear of dying and the desire to be eternal. Heaven is living after dying and reincarnation is the same, you just want to keep living, even if you don't admit it yourself.
Both of them are desperate responses to the fear of dying and the desire to be eternal. Heaven is living after dying and reincarnation is the same, you just want to keep living, even if you don't admit it yourself.
>>249437
I don't either. Reincarnation is so full of holes and contradictions it should make zero sense to anyone with a working brain.
see this:
>you will reincarnate again and repeat the cicle to learn what you were meant to learn in this life, You'll probably born as a diseased thirdwolder since the probabilities of being born white in the first world are ridiculously low.
Ask yourself if all humans died suddenly, what would they be "reborn" as, and how would they get to learn what they were meant to in this life? This is fantasy that a mere child could poke holes into.
I don't either. Reincarnation is so full of holes and contradictions it should make zero sense to anyone with a working brain.
see this:
>you will reincarnate again and repeat the cicle to learn what you were meant to learn in this life, You'll probably born as a diseased thirdwolder since the probabilities of being born white in the first world are ridiculously low.
Ask yourself if all humans died suddenly, what would they be "reborn" as, and how would they get to learn what they were meant to in this life? This is fantasy that a mere child could poke holes into.
>>249518
Your problem is being ignorant and not considering that the seed of consciousness is like the spark that shines through the physical form and what we see as ourselves is just a distorted product of the soul itself.
>Ask yourself if all humans died suddenly, what would they be "reborn" as
Why should they be reborn in that case? Matter itself is conscious.
Your problem is being ignorant and not considering that the seed of consciousness is like the spark that shines through the physical form and what we see as ourselves is just a distorted product of the soul itself.
>Ask yourself if all humans died suddenly, what would they be "reborn" as
Why should they be reborn in that case? Matter itself is conscious.
>>249519
>Why should they be reborn in that case?
Then nothing gets to be reborn as anything, ie reincarnation is nonsensical.
On a metaphysical level you can't conjure up arbitrary limitations to something that should be universal. Either all humans reincarnate or none do.
>Why should they be reborn in that case?
Then nothing gets to be reborn as anything, ie reincarnation is nonsensical.
On a metaphysical level you can't conjure up arbitrary limitations to something that should be universal. Either all humans reincarnate or none do.
only through the eternity of hell will you understand any and all wrong you may have done and judging by that fear, you probably did some awful things
>>249518
>Ask yourself if all humans died suddenly, what would they be "reborn" as
This one is pretty easy. Whatever the atoms they leave behind reassemble into within the next few billion years, just like current humans, animals, plants and everything else that exists.
Which one of those you become is random of course and you get no choice in it.
And it certainly isn't "you" at that point. There is no "you". There are only atoms arranged in certain ways.
You are no different from Hitler, a piece of seaweed or a droplet of honey, or a fire ant. You are just matter and atoms like they are.
Desperate fearful people of course wish their "you" transcends into some ethereal paradise upon dying, when in fact their brain shuts down and their body decomposes.
Their body or ashes then will fill the soil or ocean and feed other living organisms, which something else will eat then. Some of your atoms will even end up in other humans bodies, if for example your ashes were scattered into the ocean and a salmon eats it, then a person eats that salmon.
In a few thousand years, millions of living beings, animals and humans will have consumed atoms from your body long after you're dead.
You just became part of all other living things in an infinite cycle that doesn't end until the Sun of the solar system dies.
>Ask yourself if all humans died suddenly, what would they be "reborn" as
This one is pretty easy. Whatever the atoms they leave behind reassemble into within the next few billion years, just like current humans, animals, plants and everything else that exists.
Which one of those you become is random of course and you get no choice in it.
And it certainly isn't "you" at that point. There is no "you". There are only atoms arranged in certain ways.
You are no different from Hitler, a piece of seaweed or a droplet of honey, or a fire ant. You are just matter and atoms like they are.
Desperate fearful people of course wish their "you" transcends into some ethereal paradise upon dying, when in fact their brain shuts down and their body decomposes.
Their body or ashes then will fill the soil or ocean and feed other living organisms, which something else will eat then. Some of your atoms will even end up in other humans bodies, if for example your ashes were scattered into the ocean and a salmon eats it, then a person eats that salmon.
In a few thousand years, millions of living beings, animals and humans will have consumed atoms from your body long after you're dead.
You just became part of all other living things in an infinite cycle that doesn't end until the Sun of the solar system dies.
>>249297
Search for some personal,mental or financial support, from either Family, Friends aqquaintances, or basically anyone who can help you out.
Search for some personal,mental or financial support, from either Family, Friends aqquaintances, or basically anyone who can help you out.
If you're white you're going to have eternal life. If you're not white, if you're a bastard, then you will be destroyed.
>>249438
there's zero factual evidence for it.
and in fact there's actually evidence against it.
(the fear of death)
there's zero factual evidence for it.
and in fact there's actually evidence against it.
(the fear of death)
>>249568
I was born without any fucking say in the matter, and I hate living, I fucking despise it.
Everything I used to like is unenjoyable and the pressure on me to conform to other's lifestyle of work sleep eat breed is exausting.
I don't have anything to look forward to except watching the people I care about die, and all that will be is more pain.
I don't resent my parents for creating me, but I wish they didn't.
If you think that people should be forced to suffer pointlessly, you're wrong.
Suicide is an early exit.
we can leave if we want to, we aren't slaves to our existence.
I was born without any fucking say in the matter, and I hate living, I fucking despise it.
Everything I used to like is unenjoyable and the pressure on me to conform to other's lifestyle of work sleep eat breed is exausting.
I don't have anything to look forward to except watching the people I care about die, and all that will be is more pain.
I don't resent my parents for creating me, but I wish they didn't.
If you think that people should be forced to suffer pointlessly, you're wrong.
Suicide is an early exit.
we can leave if we want to, we aren't slaves to our existence.
How do you not know that suicide is a mortal sin that will land you in hell for eternity? Even I know that and I'm not a christfag.
>>249437
for me the atheist world view is just ridiculous, belief in reincarnation comes naturally to me.
for me the atheist world view is just ridiculous, belief in reincarnation comes naturally to me.
>>249339
i agree but my dad is religious and made millions of dollars so c learly hes not that stupid? idk just delusional and works hard
i agree but my dad is religious and made millions of dollars so c learly hes not that stupid? idk just delusional and works hard
>>249624
Actually that's just a church's opinion, the bible never specifically says suicide is a sin, and in fact a number of biblical characters commit suicide.
Actually that's just a church's opinion, the bible never specifically says suicide is a sin, and in fact a number of biblical characters commit suicide.
>>249645
I don't see what that has to do with intelligence. I'm dumb as a brick, I do repetitive plumbing work day in day out because I have no life, and I've saved up $200k being in my early thirties now.
I can have a million at age 45 if I just keep mindlessly grinding this job until then. Doesn't mean I'm smart. I just spend nothing because I have nowhere to go or be. I buy food, sleep, go to work, read wizchan, sleep again.
Then again I'm not American. Americans have this weird life philosophy where money determines how smart someone is.
"If you're so smart, how come you aint rich?"
There are tons of doctorate level Mensa members who earn 4x less monthly than I do by working as researchers, librarians etc. because they don't prioritize cash.
I respect that.
Americans are so indoctrinated by the money cult they think it determines your value in every facet of life.
It's the stupidest thing I've come across so far.
I don't see what that has to do with intelligence. I'm dumb as a brick, I do repetitive plumbing work day in day out because I have no life, and I've saved up $200k being in my early thirties now.
I can have a million at age 45 if I just keep mindlessly grinding this job until then. Doesn't mean I'm smart. I just spend nothing because I have nowhere to go or be. I buy food, sleep, go to work, read wizchan, sleep again.
Then again I'm not American. Americans have this weird life philosophy where money determines how smart someone is.
"If you're so smart, how come you aint rich?"
There are tons of doctorate level Mensa members who earn 4x less monthly than I do by working as researchers, librarians etc. because they don't prioritize cash.
I respect that.
Americans are so indoctrinated by the money cult they think it determines your value in every facet of life.
It's the stupidest thing I've come across so far.
>>249646
The modern Catholic Church has been trying to lawyer its way out of its teaching on suicide without outright dropping it.
Using the excuse of mental illness diminishing your free will or a last minute repentance. Although the method of many suicides makes that last second regret impossible.
The modern Catholic Church has been trying to lawyer its way out of its teaching on suicide without outright dropping it.
Using the excuse of mental illness diminishing your free will or a last minute repentance. Although the method of many suicides makes that last second regret impossible.
>>249659
As this same catechism (promulgated by St. John Paul II in 1992) says: “Grave psychological disturbances, anguish or grave fear of hardship, suffering or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide. We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives” (Nos. 2282-83).
Commonly, then, in the present day the church gives the benefit of the doubt to a suicide victim and grants a Catholic funeral and burial. The church makes the pastoral judgment that there may well have been mitigating circumstances and that the person — due to severe depression or mental illness — may not have been capable of making that decision with full freedom.
https://catholicreview.org/suicide-and-mortal-sin-what-is-true-forgiveness/
Of course a rational philosophical logic suicide, done with calm premeditation is the type most often discussed by wizards and that can't be forgiven. Be it a cosmic analysis of the entire universe and human life. Or a more personal reflection to the joys and pains one has to look forward to in the future.
In that case it can't be said that your mind or judgement was clouded, and you did it knowingly with free will.
If your Catholic parents want to hope for the best, they can pretend that all your philosophizing rationalizations were just manifestations of your mental illness.
As this same catechism (promulgated by St. John Paul II in 1992) says: “Grave psychological disturbances, anguish or grave fear of hardship, suffering or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide. We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives” (Nos. 2282-83).
Commonly, then, in the present day the church gives the benefit of the doubt to a suicide victim and grants a Catholic funeral and burial. The church makes the pastoral judgment that there may well have been mitigating circumstances and that the person — due to severe depression or mental illness — may not have been capable of making that decision with full freedom.
https://catholicreview.org/suicide-and-mortal-sin-what-is-true-forgiveness/
Of course a rational philosophical logic suicide, done with calm premeditation is the type most often discussed by wizards and that can't be forgiven. Be it a cosmic analysis of the entire universe and human life. Or a more personal reflection to the joys and pains one has to look forward to in the future.
In that case it can't be said that your mind or judgement was clouded, and you did it knowingly with free will.
If your Catholic parents want to hope for the best, they can pretend that all your philosophizing rationalizations were just manifestations of your mental illness.
>>249437
nope, its a simple logical extrapolation. there is a physical plane and a mental plane. when you die your physical body returns to the earth, and when you die your consciousness returns to whatever its source was. your body will become indistinguishable from the earth and be reused, and your consciousness will become indistinguishable from the source and be reused.
nope, its a simple logical extrapolation. there is a physical plane and a mental plane. when you die your physical body returns to the earth, and when you die your consciousness returns to whatever its source was. your body will become indistinguishable from the earth and be reused, and your consciousness will become indistinguishable from the source and be reused.
I have this theory of non-linear time reincarnation. Like who says cosmic reincarnation needs to follow your puny human calendars?
Why can't you be reincarnated into a baby 1000 years ago, or a baby born in 1995 who is alive today?
Taken to its logical conclusion, you will eventually reincarnate has every human to ever exist.
Why can't you be reincarnated into a baby 1000 years ago, or a baby born in 1995 who is alive today?
Taken to its logical conclusion, you will eventually reincarnate has every human to ever exist.
>>249297
By that picture I will assume you are Catholic. Go and get absolved of your sins at confession.
Now, if you want to die but not commit suicide and go to hell, you need to die in the process of serving others and loving your neighbour.
You could die trying to save someone from drowning or saving someone from a burning building. Work for the peace Corps or VSO and Go to some impoverished war zone to deliver resources.
When you stop living for yourself and start fanatically living with the goal of dying a noble death trying save others then you will reach a state of eudaimonia where you will not want to kill yourself. You will just want to love your neighbour by saving people. You will start giving money away to homeless people except for your basic needs. Your will become totally selfless and heroic and the only thing driving you will be a fanatical need to serve others, so pain and pleasure will be irrelevant.
By that picture I will assume you are Catholic. Go and get absolved of your sins at confession.
Now, if you want to die but not commit suicide and go to hell, you need to die in the process of serving others and loving your neighbour.
You could die trying to save someone from drowning or saving someone from a burning building. Work for the peace Corps or VSO and Go to some impoverished war zone to deliver resources.
When you stop living for yourself and start fanatically living with the goal of dying a noble death trying save others then you will reach a state of eudaimonia where you will not want to kill yourself. You will just want to love your neighbour by saving people. You will start giving money away to homeless people except for your basic needs. Your will become totally selfless and heroic and the only thing driving you will be a fanatical need to serve others, so pain and pleasure will be irrelevant.
>>249663
What about different dimensions? Surely our universe isn't the only one out there.
What about different dimensions? Surely our universe isn't the only one out there.
>>249612
If you are OP Pray to the Father in truth, so he can help you persevere through this suffering.
If you are OP Pray to the Father in truth, so he can help you persevere through this suffering.
>>249678
You just need to have your free will diminished or have a chance to repent at the last second
You just need to have your free will diminished or have a chance to repent at the last second
>>249612
There must be a way through this have you tried searching for a support group, or contacting some oldnaqquaintances that can help you out. If you're living in the third world it shouldnt be that difficult.
There must be a way through this have you tried searching for a support group, or contacting some oldnaqquaintances that can help you out. If you're living in the third world it shouldnt be that difficult.
Someone told me about this German Catholic guy who murdered a kid to get the death penalty so he'd have a chance to repent, as opposed to suicide and certain hell
>>252505
I'm guessing being discovered with a grave disease like rabies, being sentenced to prison in some third world country, having cartel/mafia knocking down your door. Basically when you know you're fucked and that's it.
I'm guessing being discovered with a grave disease like rabies, being sentenced to prison in some third world country, having cartel/mafia knocking down your door. Basically when you know you're fucked and that's it.
U dead yet, homie? If you are then you are probably in hell since that is where suicide gets ya.
>>249430
If that were true then nobody will ever learn anything since being born as a low iq pygmy with aids and spinal damage then forgetting everything won't help you at all. Karma based reincarnation is one of the most stupid and illogical things the human mind ever invented
If that were true then nobody will ever learn anything since being born as a low iq pygmy with aids and spinal damage then forgetting everything won't help you at all. Karma based reincarnation is one of the most stupid and illogical things the human mind ever invented
>>255518
it's not stupid and illogical, it's wishful thinking and you can't really blame them for that.
it's not stupid and illogical, it's wishful thinking and you can't really blame them for that.
>>255521
This. They can't deal with the reality that life is not fair, so they make up some nonsense where everyone has a shot at being born under better circumstances. This is infantile reasoning.
This. They can't deal with the reality that life is not fair, so they make up some nonsense where everyone has a shot at being born under better circumstances. This is infantile reasoning.
>>255538
Yes, I don't really blame them for thinking this way. Life is cruel and believing in some afterlife that avenges this gives comfort. If you're really bent on being "rational", then by all means, move forward towards death with neither gods nor demons at your heels. Just be aware that there's no medal for this, there's nothing at all.
Yes, I don't really blame them for thinking this way. Life is cruel and believing in some afterlife that avenges this gives comfort. If you're really bent on being "rational", then by all means, move forward towards death with neither gods nor demons at your heels. Just be aware that there's no medal for this, there's nothing at all.
>>249550
He is not autist, he is classic normalfag, just like almost all posters in this thread.
This thread shows how really lowly and deeply fallen wizchan is.
He is not autist, he is classic normalfag, just like almost all posters in this thread.
This thread shows how really lowly and deeply fallen wizchan is.
Why do you want to go to Heaven, even if it exists? You would be forced to live among others there too, governed by God and his angels. I had enough of living with normals in this life.
You should focus on creating your own Heaven. Create a safe spot, a castle in your mind where all the nice things you like can be found. Whether they are smells or music or video games or books or memories it doesn't matter, store them there. During times of crisis retreat there. I learned of this method from Hannibal Lecter, in the books it is mentioned he is using this mental exercise.
You should focus on creating your own Heaven. Create a safe spot, a castle in your mind where all the nice things you like can be found. Whether they are smells or music or video games or books or memories it doesn't matter, store them there. During times of crisis retreat there. I learned of this method from Hannibal Lecter, in the books it is mentioned he is using this mental exercise.
>>255635
Fuck it when I die I wanna go to hell, cause I’m a piece of shit it ain’t hard to fucking tell. Don’t make sense going to heaven with goody goodies.
Fuck it when I die I wanna go to hell, cause I’m a piece of shit it ain’t hard to fucking tell. Don’t make sense going to heaven with goody goodies.
Do not take the gamble. Life on earth is hell, but a lake of fire doesn't sound any better. I was planning to kill myself this year but the elite mind games of fear won against me. Every religion condemns suicide. Just don't do it. Even if you dont buy their shit. Its a huge big gamble.
>afraid of going to hell.
Don't be silly, we're already there.
>>256953
I have been very fixated with that method for about a year. I suspect it might be the way to escape the prison of the demiurge. I need to stop procrastinating with 3D distractions and commit to it already.
Don't be silly, we're already there.
>>256953
I have been very fixated with that method for about a year. I suspect it might be the way to escape the prison of the demiurge. I need to stop procrastinating with 3D distractions and commit to it already.
>>256959
Ill do it on Halloween. Im planning to go to the top of a mountain and do the Sallekhana.
Lets make a death cult and all of us do it together on the same day
Ill do it on Halloween. Im planning to go to the top of a mountain and do the Sallekhana.
Lets make a death cult and all of us do it together on the same day
>>252699
>just the same before you were born nothingness
from your perspective it seems like nothingness, but in reality you have existed as long as the universe existed because you are just an illusory partition of the universe. to you it seems like your body is separate from the earth around you, but really you were created from the nutrients in the ground that fed the plants that your mother ate to form your body, and when you die you will decompose and become the nutrients in the ground. the physical part of you always existed, you just imagine that there is a clear defined line between what is you and what is the world around you. if you think about it hard enough, you will find that differentiating between yourself and the ground you stand on is arbitrary, and not an actual division that exists in reality.
the same is true for the mental part of yourself, if the physical part of you has always existed, why would the mental part of you ever die either? your consciousness will just decompose into where it came from, an even bigger consciousness, just like what happened to your body. just like your body, the division between the bigger consciousness and your consciousness doesnt actually exist, it just seems that way. after you merge with your source both physically and mentally the you that seemed to exist wont seem to exist anymore, and the parts that made you up will go on to form other seemingly separate entities.
>just the same before you were born nothingness
from your perspective it seems like nothingness, but in reality you have existed as long as the universe existed because you are just an illusory partition of the universe. to you it seems like your body is separate from the earth around you, but really you were created from the nutrients in the ground that fed the plants that your mother ate to form your body, and when you die you will decompose and become the nutrients in the ground. the physical part of you always existed, you just imagine that there is a clear defined line between what is you and what is the world around you. if you think about it hard enough, you will find that differentiating between yourself and the ground you stand on is arbitrary, and not an actual division that exists in reality.
the same is true for the mental part of yourself, if the physical part of you has always existed, why would the mental part of you ever die either? your consciousness will just decompose into where it came from, an even bigger consciousness, just like what happened to your body. just like your body, the division between the bigger consciousness and your consciousness doesnt actually exist, it just seems that way. after you merge with your source both physically and mentally the you that seemed to exist wont seem to exist anymore, and the parts that made you up will go on to form other seemingly separate entities.
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Overdose. Most peaceful way in my opinion. I have a lot of respect for you. It takes a lot of courage to commit. Make sure you are not emotional about your decision. Emotions are temporary. "You" aren't temporary. Don't view suicide as an end look upon it as a transformative process.
I know this picture has made its rounds on wizchan but I believe it holds some merit.
"Life is infinite, just as matter cant be destroyed only transformed, such is the same with consciousness."
Good Luck :)
also >>249297
>How can I ensure that I will go to heaven when I die?
if your still asking these questions maybe you aren't ready for suicide
I know this picture has made its rounds on wizchan but I believe it holds some merit.
"Life is infinite, just as matter cant be destroyed only transformed, such is the same with consciousness."
Good Luck :)
also >>249297
>How can I ensure that I will go to heaven when I die?
if your still asking these questions maybe you aren't ready for suicide
jesus christ is the only begotten son of god,he is god,believe in only him as your personal savior,salvation is through faith alone.
>>256959
this is my view. we're literally already in hell its obvious lmfao. people and animals just come here to suffer and die.
this is my view. we're literally already in hell its obvious lmfao. people and animals just come here to suffer and die.
>>257074
Right back at you.
Religious lunatics are the only people making absurd claims that they know how the fucking creator of the universe wants you to behave.
Right back at you.
Religious lunatics are the only people making absurd claims that they know how the fucking creator of the universe wants you to behave.
>>249368
>all you need to do is sincerely believe in God
I don't see why people make it out like this is easy. I've tried many times and have never been able to.
>all you need to do is sincerely believe in God
I don't see why people make it out like this is easy. I've tried many times and have never been able to.
>>249297
Heaven is literally made up by psychotic desperate delusional weirdos who couldn't cope with the hell that is the capitalist wasteland of America and worldwide poverty. I despise parents who emotionally and mentally brainwashed their children with this religious childhood fairy tales.
Heaven is literally made up by psychotic desperate delusional weirdos who couldn't cope with the hell that is the capitalist wasteland of America and worldwide poverty. I despise parents who emotionally and mentally brainwashed their children with this religious childhood fairy tales.
>>249301
You're just as delusional and in denial as religious retards. There's no such thing as some form of reincarnation. There's nothing.
You're just as delusional and in denial as religious retards. There's no such thing as some form of reincarnation. There's nothing.
>>258955
He is on the spot for some things but heavens and hells exist, among many other higher and lower dimensions. So does the soul. You reincarnate here only if you try to escape before your time via suicide.
He is on the spot for some things but heavens and hells exist, among many other higher and lower dimensions. So does the soul. You reincarnate here only if you try to escape before your time via suicide.
>>258958
assuming the whole population of the world would commit suicide, where would they end up?
assuming the whole population of the world would commit suicide, where would they end up?
>>258879
yet here you are, angry, lonely and confused like the rest of us on this site. You're here with religious and the non-religious all together through this.
It is crazy how it all converges to the same end after all
yet here you are, angry, lonely and confused like the rest of us on this site. You're here with religious and the non-religious all together through this.
It is crazy how it all converges to the same end after all
>>259044
>We are much more than that…
we're not, i've seen and met plenty of people to know that life is cheap, we are disposable and not special by any means.
Go live in third world countries, face war etc, hell just look at how your average person dies, there's nothing in this world but what we project onto it.
>We are much more than that…
we're not, i've seen and met plenty of people to know that life is cheap, we are disposable and not special by any means.
Go live in third world countries, face war etc, hell just look at how your average person dies, there's nothing in this world but what we project onto it.
>>259046
Yes, the earth. In what form that would depend on the individuals.
>>259050
So by your logic, you thinking we aren't "special" by any means is just projection too? I tried really hard in the past to adapt materialist mindsets to understand them but I can't. It is so obvious to me that our world is much more than just matter. Scientific materialism is overrated. Our thoughts, desires and wishes hold much greater power than what we could rationally explain.
Yes, the earth. In what form that would depend on the individuals.
>>259050
So by your logic, you thinking we aren't "special" by any means is just projection too? I tried really hard in the past to adapt materialist mindsets to understand them but I can't. It is so obvious to me that our world is much more than just matter. Scientific materialism is overrated. Our thoughts, desires and wishes hold much greater power than what we could rationally explain.
>>259095
>what if there were no earth at all?
There are other life forms in our universe.
>what if all life had been wiped out?
Then another dimension would be created for the souls to go.
>what if there were no earth at all?
There are other life forms in our universe.
>what if all life had been wiped out?
Then another dimension would be created for the souls to go.
>>259114
honestly that sounds like convenient semi-arbitrary rubbish made up to accommodate your nonsensical theories. like another dimension being created, just cause shit, need more room for the souls of the suicided to be born again! right…
if you only reincarnate if you commit suicide, that means a tiny minority of humans do reincarnate, but as what exactly, a tree, an animal, a human, any of these at random? is this supposed to be a punishment? if you acknowledge that there are other "higher and lower dimensions" wouldn't one of the latter be a more fitting 'destination'? what kind of sense does it make, for some living things to potentially go through life multiple times while most don't and move on to one of the 'dimensions' you speak of?
reincarnation is bs because you always have to come up with a shit load of rules and exceptions that make zero sense whatsoever, like 'only x reincarnate, but not if they did y, or if they lived to the age of seven, unless they were miserable, and sometimes they have to wait until they can spawn in this world, but sometimes they don't, and it's immediate, and and and…'
how does this concept stand up to basic scrutiny
honestly that sounds like convenient semi-arbitrary rubbish made up to accommodate your nonsensical theories. like another dimension being created, just cause shit, need more room for the souls of the suicided to be born again! right…
if you only reincarnate if you commit suicide, that means a tiny minority of humans do reincarnate, but as what exactly, a tree, an animal, a human, any of these at random? is this supposed to be a punishment? if you acknowledge that there are other "higher and lower dimensions" wouldn't one of the latter be a more fitting 'destination'? what kind of sense does it make, for some living things to potentially go through life multiple times while most don't and move on to one of the 'dimensions' you speak of?
reincarnation is bs because you always have to come up with a shit load of rules and exceptions that make zero sense whatsoever, like 'only x reincarnate, but not if they did y, or if they lived to the age of seven, unless they were miserable, and sometimes they have to wait until they can spawn in this world, but sometimes they don't, and it's immediate, and and and…'
how does this concept stand up to basic scrutiny
>>259122
Yes, rules tend to be present if we are talking about a system, be it supernatural or natural.
People who kill themselves reincarnate here again because they failed to complete their paths in this existence. It's not exactly a punishment, it is more this cycle repeats itself until you see it through. Then you can go to higher or lower dimensions depending on your life or lives here.
Suicide means a "hard reset" as far as your existence in this realm is concerned. You won't escape to other realms through it.
Yes, rules tend to be present if we are talking about a system, be it supernatural or natural.
People who kill themselves reincarnate here again because they failed to complete their paths in this existence. It's not exactly a punishment, it is more this cycle repeats itself until you see it through. Then you can go to higher or lower dimensions depending on your life or lives here.
Suicide means a "hard reset" as far as your existence in this realm is concerned. You won't escape to other realms through it.
>>259159
this does not make sense.
>Then you can go to higher or lower dimensions depending on your life
yes, humans go through another state of being as they die, or something like that, but why single out the suicided. why would their fate specifically be a "hard reset" and not a transition to one of these dimensions you speak of (w/e one may call them)
to say that some reincarnate and others don't is, again, so arbitrary and oddly specific that it completely falls apart as part of a metaphysical doctrine.
this does not make sense.
>Then you can go to higher or lower dimensions depending on your life
yes, humans go through another state of being as they die, or something like that, but why single out the suicided. why would their fate specifically be a "hard reset" and not a transition to one of these dimensions you speak of (w/e one may call them)
to say that some reincarnate and others don't is, again, so arbitrary and oddly specific that it completely falls apart as part of a metaphysical doctrine.
>>259209
Suicide is about trying to escape your fate and the path that is ahead of you. But that can't be avoided. You have to live out the necessary time in a dimension before being allowed to go to another one.
Suicide is about trying to escape your fate and the path that is ahead of you. But that can't be avoided. You have to live out the necessary time in a dimension before being allowed to go to another one.
I genuinely believe that some normalfag christians have chosen to brigade wizchan. They always prey on the depression and outcast people, trying to bring them into their evil cult by any means possible - manipulative, non-genuine social interaction is their favourite tool
>>259385
That's pretty much any Christian, they don't have to come from the outside. As a Christian you contaminate others cause it's part of your m.o.
That's pretty much any Christian, they don't have to come from the outside. As a Christian you contaminate others cause it's part of your m.o.
>>259385
They have infested imageboards for almost the past decade by now. Most of them are only Christian because of imageboard contrarianism, and they needed a new way to be pretentious when most internet nerds were atheist.
They have infested imageboards for almost the past decade by now. Most of them are only Christian because of imageboard contrarianism, and they needed a new way to be pretentious when most internet nerds were atheist.
>>259447
>Most of them are only Christian because of imageboard contrarianism
Yup. It's pretty gay, to be honest.
>Most of them are only Christian because of imageboard contrarianism
Yup. It's pretty gay, to be honest.
>>249297
If you commit suicìde you may not go to jannah but hell instead. Confess your sins to God or to a priest. Live your life in peace or maybe devote yourself to helping people.
If you commit suicìde you may not go to jannah but hell instead. Confess your sins to God or to a priest. Live your life in peace or maybe devote yourself to helping people.
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