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All of my dreams are dead. I know I'll never write a great book, create a video game, or make a movie because I'm both lazy and untalented. I know I'll never experience romance because I'm ugly. I know I'll never be rich because I've never had a job and I have no work ethic. I don't even know how old I am anymore, is it 27 or 28? Am I already 30? I don't know, every day just blurs together as I browse imageboards, walk the dog, and do household chores around my parent's house.
How should a person live when they're already dead inside? I ask because I'm unhappy, I know I have no choice but to keep living as I lack the willpower required to commit suicide, so how should I cope with this sort of situation?
How should a person live when they're already dead inside? I ask because I'm unhappy, I know I have no choice but to keep living as I lack the willpower required to commit suicide, so how should I cope with this sort of situation?
Your biggest barrier seems to be yourself. Most people don't ask or go after the things they want because they think they don't deserve them or will look stupid in front of other people. What concrete actions have you taken towards your own happiness this past year? I'm guessing nada, zilch, nothing.
Life's pretty simple, by some miracle of evolution you're a self-aware conscious being and you get to experience a bunch of stuff before you go back to nothingness. That's it. All there is to do is go towards worthwhile experiences while you still can.
Your problem is emotional, it's years of psychological defense mechanisms created to feel safe. You won't experience romance, not because you're ugly, but because you don't feel safe revealing your romantic/sexual interest to other people or putting yourself in situations where things can actually happen. Plenty of uggos experience sex and love and they make even more uggos on a daily basis. Hell, you could pay for it, but then "it's not real love" or "what will the imaginary people in my head think" or "i don't deserve it unless i'm an alpha male". Again, it's all emotional barriers. You can't do X because it requires Y which disagrees with your sensibilities. It's dangerous or shameful or you didn't get permission from other people yet.
Life's pretty simple, by some miracle of evolution you're a self-aware conscious being and you get to experience a bunch of stuff before you go back to nothingness. That's it. All there is to do is go towards worthwhile experiences while you still can.
Your problem is emotional, it's years of psychological defense mechanisms created to feel safe. You won't experience romance, not because you're ugly, but because you don't feel safe revealing your romantic/sexual interest to other people or putting yourself in situations where things can actually happen. Plenty of uggos experience sex and love and they make even more uggos on a daily basis. Hell, you could pay for it, but then "it's not real love" or "what will the imaginary people in my head think" or "i don't deserve it unless i'm an alpha male". Again, it's all emotional barriers. You can't do X because it requires Y which disagrees with your sensibilities. It's dangerous or shameful or you didn't get permission from other people yet.
>>251956
I don't think I care how I look to other people because there aren't any people that I actually like. You're right that I haven't taken any steps towards my own happiness, but I don't know what my own happiness would be. Every doorway seems dark, I don't like to leave my room, and only do so when I feel I have to in order to tidy things up.
I don't think I care how I look to other people because there aren't any people that I actually like. You're right that I haven't taken any steps towards my own happiness, but I don't know what my own happiness would be. Every doorway seems dark, I don't like to leave my room, and only do so when I feel I have to in order to tidy things up.
you just have to cope with being mediocre. i almost killed myself over never being able to do great things and having exceptional experiences, but on the brink of death i realized it is infinitely better to be mediocre than to be dead or miserable poverty tier. its a dogshit world and all you can really do is cope and try to not think about it
Do you really want these things? To me it sounds like these are fake desires planted into you by society and you don't really desire great things or romance or riches. It is important to know yourself. Break down the artificial personality others made for you and discover who you actually are. It is possible you seriously want these things and you are simply unable to get them…what then? My advice is, cling to these desires. Let them crush your mind with anxiety over being a loser who can't achieve what he wants. The easy road would be something like eastern philosophers advocate, to let go of your wishes, desires, attachments, and such. However, I don't think this is the way to go. It sounds incredibly boring first of all, not to mention that it is the living equivalent of suicide. You are better off killing yourself than living in that condition. But this is my opinion only.
What I recommend is giving up and forgetting about "happiness" entirely. It is a lie. Always been, always will be. "Happy" people are simply delusional and live in a bubble of their own little world, while refusing to face facts head-on. Accept that life is suffering, no matter what you do or don't do. It will be easier after this, trust me. Happiness, mental health, nirvana, inner peace, at peace with God,…bullshit, all of these. Life is about suffering. Don't run away from your tormentors, embrace your desires and feelings. Confront your demons day by day. I came to believe that this is the only proper way to live. If anything, it is the most honest way of living.
In short, investigate your soul whether you really want these things or not! If no, then forget about them, if yes then face the shame every single day for being too weak to get what you want. You are stronger than you think, op. Revel in the pain of existence and become…another person out of the chaos of life. It is never too late for anything. Maybe you will wake up tomorrow and realize what you truly wanted all along. To me, it sounds like you are just fine the way you are. I mean if you wanted these things then you would have done something already to try to achieve them, no?
What I recommend is giving up and forgetting about "happiness" entirely. It is a lie. Always been, always will be. "Happy" people are simply delusional and live in a bubble of their own little world, while refusing to face facts head-on. Accept that life is suffering, no matter what you do or don't do. It will be easier after this, trust me. Happiness, mental health, nirvana, inner peace, at peace with God,…bullshit, all of these. Life is about suffering. Don't run away from your tormentors, embrace your desires and feelings. Confront your demons day by day. I came to believe that this is the only proper way to live. If anything, it is the most honest way of living.
In short, investigate your soul whether you really want these things or not! If no, then forget about them, if yes then face the shame every single day for being too weak to get what you want. You are stronger than you think, op. Revel in the pain of existence and become…another person out of the chaos of life. It is never too late for anything. Maybe you will wake up tomorrow and realize what you truly wanted all along. To me, it sounds like you are just fine the way you are. I mean if you wanted these things then you would have done something already to try to achieve them, no?
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>>251962
I thought you were alluding to Pat Benetar's book, "Better to Never Have Been."
I thought you were alluding to Pat Benetar's book, "Better to Never Have Been."
>>251960
you at least get to enjoy some things, and you just have to be content with that. do something completely abject and see how you feel. try to kill yourself or go to jail or do acid. just fuck your life up and you will realize that you don't recognize the good times until you're in the bad
you at least get to enjoy some things, and you just have to be content with that. do something completely abject and see how you feel. try to kill yourself or go to jail or do acid. just fuck your life up and you will realize that you don't recognize the good times until you're in the bad
>>251967
>you don't recognize the good times until you're in the bad
So right you are. Fuck being an übermensch who achieves great things but doesn't get to live a peaceful, comfy and pleasurable life. I'd rather be the nobody I am and watch anime or read entertaining fictions than be a recognized artist, thinker or scientist or anything else for that matter.
>you don't recognize the good times until you're in the bad
So right you are. Fuck being an übermensch who achieves great things but doesn't get to live a peaceful, comfy and pleasurable life. I'd rather be the nobody I am and watch anime or read entertaining fictions than be a recognized artist, thinker or scientist or anything else for that matter.
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>>251972
Being president would be decent, assuming it's only for a set period of time.
Though it'd need to be in a country where you had executive authority so no "representative democracies".
Being a 'notable scientist or artist'? Nah. Followed by paparazzi 24/7, no privacy and few benefits compared to the fame
Being president would be decent, assuming it's only for a set period of time.
Though it'd need to be in a country where you had executive authority so no "representative democracies".
Being a 'notable scientist or artist'? Nah. Followed by paparazzi 24/7, no privacy and few benefits compared to the fame
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For the past several months I've been fascinated with medieval architecture and cathedrals in particular. I even found some sort of faith through studying those buildings. Then I found out about a writer called Huysmans who actually became catholic after studying cathedrals for a long time, it was quite amazing to find myself copying some other guy I never heard about before. Now I'm reading through his trilogy of books talking about his religious conversion. Who knows, maybe I'll become a catholic and oblate myself. If you're weird enough to find faith on this day and age, it's an interesting path to take.
>>251973
President? That too is overrated. I daydreamed a lot about being "the king, the leader or emperor" of the people but when you actually think about it, it would suck. You would have to attend boring meetings with other politicians, you would have an enormous responsibility on your shoulders and people would watch what you say/do constantly. I don't need that shit, even the kings of this world are slaves, only with longer chains. I, the autistic shut-in NEET wizard, am ironically a free person compared to Joe Biden or Putin. This world is a joke.
President? That too is overrated. I daydreamed a lot about being "the king, the leader or emperor" of the people but when you actually think about it, it would suck. You would have to attend boring meetings with other politicians, you would have an enormous responsibility on your shoulders and people would watch what you say/do constantly. I don't need that shit, even the kings of this world are slaves, only with longer chains. I, the autistic shut-in NEET wizard, am ironically a free person compared to Joe Biden or Putin. This world is a joke.
>>251974
A sense of wonder eludes everyday folk, but, brimstone in hand, the eye can open.
Would you mind sharing what books in particular you've been reading, and how you came to select these books?
>>251955
Hello.
First I'll give a suggestion and then soften that suggestion.
My suggestion is to let Nature guide you. She knows best.
Instead of willing yourself into success, create the necessary conditions to let your concept of success flourish.
Could you expect a rosebud to blossom under mossy wood, with only flickers of sunlight?
It may be possible, but a rare occurrence at best.
The same could be said of you.
What are your current conditions, and are they adding or subtracting from the supposed success you seek?
This is by no means an exhaustive list, but you could consider things such as
- what you eat
- how you sleep
- where you live
- what you do
- what you read
- who you interact with
- your current belief system
- your physical condition (stiff?)
And to soften: Roma die uno non aedificata est.
You have many steps before your grave. Take in the day!
Maybe tackle one of these once a week, whatever fits your pace.
For although you can improve the above conditions, it is necessary to get along with your current conditions. Namely, you are void of dream. No dream, no impetus.
Let the physical drag you along, and chew on whatever snacks until the one dawn you may say, "perhaps I'll read a book".
A sense of wonder eludes everyday folk, but, brimstone in hand, the eye can open.
Would you mind sharing what books in particular you've been reading, and how you came to select these books?
>>251955
Hello.
First I'll give a suggestion and then soften that suggestion.
My suggestion is to let Nature guide you. She knows best.
Instead of willing yourself into success, create the necessary conditions to let your concept of success flourish.
Could you expect a rosebud to blossom under mossy wood, with only flickers of sunlight?
It may be possible, but a rare occurrence at best.
The same could be said of you.
What are your current conditions, and are they adding or subtracting from the supposed success you seek?
This is by no means an exhaustive list, but you could consider things such as
- what you eat
- how you sleep
- where you live
- what you do
- what you read
- who you interact with
- your current belief system
- your physical condition (stiff?)
And to soften: Roma die uno non aedificata est.
You have many steps before your grave. Take in the day!
Maybe tackle one of these once a week, whatever fits your pace.
For although you can improve the above conditions, it is necessary to get along with your current conditions. Namely, you are void of dream. No dream, no impetus.
Let the physical drag you along, and chew on whatever snacks until the one dawn you may say, "perhaps I'll read a book".
>>252019
Sure. I began reading about cathedrals back in 2019 because of Notre Dame's fire, out of boredom more than anything. Nothing serious, just a bunch of wiki articles and some online 3D visits to italian churches and whatnot. During 2020 I would sometimes google images of cathedrals and medieval churches but it wasn't more than a passing interest until I read
Otto Georg Von Simson's The Gothic Cathedral. That't when I really began to appreciate those buildings a lot. I also could not escape the fact cathedrals are an expression of catholic faith and that's when I began having faith myself. By sensing the beauty of the cathedrals, some of the faith that went into building them rubbed on me I guess.
Few months ago I was hunting pictures of cathedrals and came across the wiki article for The Cathedral, a novel by Joris-Karl Huysmans, part of a trilogy where he recounts his religious conversion. What really grabbed me about his story is that his gate to faith was the same as the one I'm using. I'm currently going through his books, along with Bible reading, which I've never read before. I'm using a pdf of the Jerusalem Bible. It's pretty fun. It presents a very different way of looking at life. Not gonna lie, sometimes the Bible sounds very silly to me but so far I didn't feel the slight disgust for it, which is something I do feel constantly towards the contemporary way of looking at things. And just like that I went from not caring about religion at all to seeking it. Funny how it more or less started by the burning of Notre-Dame's cathedral. I guess God does work in mysterious ways.
Sure. I began reading about cathedrals back in 2019 because of Notre Dame's fire, out of boredom more than anything. Nothing serious, just a bunch of wiki articles and some online 3D visits to italian churches and whatnot. During 2020 I would sometimes google images of cathedrals and medieval churches but it wasn't more than a passing interest until I read
Otto Georg Von Simson's The Gothic Cathedral. That't when I really began to appreciate those buildings a lot. I also could not escape the fact cathedrals are an expression of catholic faith and that's when I began having faith myself. By sensing the beauty of the cathedrals, some of the faith that went into building them rubbed on me I guess.
Few months ago I was hunting pictures of cathedrals and came across the wiki article for The Cathedral, a novel by Joris-Karl Huysmans, part of a trilogy where he recounts his religious conversion. What really grabbed me about his story is that his gate to faith was the same as the one I'm using. I'm currently going through his books, along with Bible reading, which I've never read before. I'm using a pdf of the Jerusalem Bible. It's pretty fun. It presents a very different way of looking at life. Not gonna lie, sometimes the Bible sounds very silly to me but so far I didn't feel the slight disgust for it, which is something I do feel constantly towards the contemporary way of looking at things. And just like that I went from not caring about religion at all to seeking it. Funny how it more or less started by the burning of Notre-Dame's cathedral. I guess God does work in mysterious ways.
>>251974
In a world where no one has any real purpose, turning to religion is one of the most logical decisions one can make in order to fill the void. If you get a chance to, read Confessions by Saint Augustine and The Divine Comedy by Dante
In a world where no one has any real purpose, turning to religion is one of the most logical decisions one can make in order to fill the void. If you get a chance to, read Confessions by Saint Augustine and The Divine Comedy by Dante
>>252033
Lately I realized, at least in my case, the appeal came not as a chance of filling a void but about a couple of conclusions I share with Christianity, mostly about how disgusting life on Earth is in a broad sense. Now, the reason I can't call myself a Christian yet is that I simply can't come to believe a perfect God would create this fiasco in the first place. There's just too many awful things about it, including the abysmal treatment of billions, trillions of animals that didn't, and couldn't, do anything wrong. They never sinned, never fucked up in anyway and still got banned from Eden, and now they have to live in tiny cells getting grain brutally shoved down their throats, then rounded up and executed for meat, just to please some undeserving, ungrateful, obnoxious fat fucks around the globe. I'm not promoting any dietary changes here, just pointing out how a creature that doesn't share in the sin of man getting fucked in the ass for no reason at all. Humans being banned and punished I get but what about everything else?
I know there supposed to be a plan that makes sense in all of this and being able to have faith in that is what is all about but I can't fully embrace that. Not yet, anyways.
Lately I realized, at least in my case, the appeal came not as a chance of filling a void but about a couple of conclusions I share with Christianity, mostly about how disgusting life on Earth is in a broad sense. Now, the reason I can't call myself a Christian yet is that I simply can't come to believe a perfect God would create this fiasco in the first place. There's just too many awful things about it, including the abysmal treatment of billions, trillions of animals that didn't, and couldn't, do anything wrong. They never sinned, never fucked up in anyway and still got banned from Eden, and now they have to live in tiny cells getting grain brutally shoved down their throats, then rounded up and executed for meat, just to please some undeserving, ungrateful, obnoxious fat fucks around the globe. I'm not promoting any dietary changes here, just pointing out how a creature that doesn't share in the sin of man getting fucked in the ass for no reason at all. Humans being banned and punished I get but what about everything else?
I know there supposed to be a plan that makes sense in all of this and being able to have faith in that is what is all about but I can't fully embrace that. Not yet, anyways.
>>252054
You are way too intelligent and honest for christianity or any other creator-worship. Any religion that preaches a single, omnipotent, good creator god is just a lie at best, at worst openly demon worship. Monotheism is for fools who want to live in a fantasy world, where every kind of suffering is for the better, we just don't realize it because we are idiots, so they say. It is one of the most horrible copes ever and is the root of the average joe's optimism even today, when religion is outdated. It is a trap. When you worship and defend the creator of this world you will inevitably become a sociopath who turns a blind eye or bullshits when confronted with suffering in the world. Don't go down this road, I know it well, I was raised as a catholic. This path is for dumb normals only.
If you want honest answers, then read about pessimism if you haven't already. Read about buddhism, stoicism and gnosticism, realize that this world is a vile and disgusting place, a place that no good, all-powerful god would create or let exist. If there is a higher plan…or in other words a creator, then he is clearly evil. Don't worship the cause of your suffering/pain. Christians don't realize that basically they worship and ask for help from the same guy who inflicted pain/suffering/evil on them in the first place. No sane person wants to have anything to do with a morally questionable god like that.
You are way too intelligent and honest for christianity or any other creator-worship. Any religion that preaches a single, omnipotent, good creator god is just a lie at best, at worst openly demon worship. Monotheism is for fools who want to live in a fantasy world, where every kind of suffering is for the better, we just don't realize it because we are idiots, so they say. It is one of the most horrible copes ever and is the root of the average joe's optimism even today, when religion is outdated. It is a trap. When you worship and defend the creator of this world you will inevitably become a sociopath who turns a blind eye or bullshits when confronted with suffering in the world. Don't go down this road, I know it well, I was raised as a catholic. This path is for dumb normals only.
If you want honest answers, then read about pessimism if you haven't already. Read about buddhism, stoicism and gnosticism, realize that this world is a vile and disgusting place, a place that no good, all-powerful god would create or let exist. If there is a higher plan…or in other words a creator, then he is clearly evil. Don't worship the cause of your suffering/pain. Christians don't realize that basically they worship and ask for help from the same guy who inflicted pain/suffering/evil on them in the first place. No sane person wants to have anything to do with a morally questionable god like that.
>>252067
Thank you for your words. I haven't looked into buddhism and the other stuff you mentioned. I'm slowly looking into it right now. I don't think I need any lessons on pessimism though, that's where I came from, but I'll check it out.
>Monotheism is for fools who want to live in a fantasy world
Can you tell where fantasy ends and reality begins? I ask in good faith. The more I think about this, the more I realize we can't escape our ideas. Even the concept of reality and fantasy is in itself a fantasy we use to choose one thing over the other. Of course everyone like to believe they're choosing something that is true over something that is false. Language itself is made up, and all our explanations about everything uses language, is in that sense it's all a fantasy.
For most of my life I believed that religion is a collection of necessary fantasies humans came up with to better oganize societies and give meaning to life. Now I'm starting to believe everything is a human fantasy inspired by something divine. Am I duping myself for believing this? I have to admit fallibility to everything, so yes, I might be utterly wrong. However from this perspective, I don't find monotheism less credible than anything else.
My struggle is with the question of suffering. How can a perfect God create a world where suffering exists? You pointed it out your opinion about it; followers of Abrahamic lineage convinced themselves through the force of blindness and idiocy that suffering is part of a perfect plan of a benevolent God and therefore it MUST serve a higher purpose. I honestly don't see a flaw on your reasoning and yet I don't see a flaw in a tradition that accepts suffering and wants to go beyond it, or wants to see something good about it. Christianity does try, and people might be tempted to laugh and scorn on the infantile way it does it, but I don't find anything laughable about suffering. I don't think there is any malice or stupidity on trying to be positive about it. At the same time excusing the Creator on this is such a monumental step. I can't take it and that's where I'm stuck. I'll continue to study the subject and look into the other traditions you pointed it.
Thank you for your words. I haven't looked into buddhism and the other stuff you mentioned. I'm slowly looking into it right now. I don't think I need any lessons on pessimism though, that's where I came from, but I'll check it out.
>Monotheism is for fools who want to live in a fantasy world
Can you tell where fantasy ends and reality begins? I ask in good faith. The more I think about this, the more I realize we can't escape our ideas. Even the concept of reality and fantasy is in itself a fantasy we use to choose one thing over the other. Of course everyone like to believe they're choosing something that is true over something that is false. Language itself is made up, and all our explanations about everything uses language, is in that sense it's all a fantasy.
For most of my life I believed that religion is a collection of necessary fantasies humans came up with to better oganize societies and give meaning to life. Now I'm starting to believe everything is a human fantasy inspired by something divine. Am I duping myself for believing this? I have to admit fallibility to everything, so yes, I might be utterly wrong. However from this perspective, I don't find monotheism less credible than anything else.
My struggle is with the question of suffering. How can a perfect God create a world where suffering exists? You pointed it out your opinion about it; followers of Abrahamic lineage convinced themselves through the force of blindness and idiocy that suffering is part of a perfect plan of a benevolent God and therefore it MUST serve a higher purpose. I honestly don't see a flaw on your reasoning and yet I don't see a flaw in a tradition that accepts suffering and wants to go beyond it, or wants to see something good about it. Christianity does try, and people might be tempted to laugh and scorn on the infantile way it does it, but I don't find anything laughable about suffering. I don't think there is any malice or stupidity on trying to be positive about it. At the same time excusing the Creator on this is such a monumental step. I can't take it and that's where I'm stuck. I'll continue to study the subject and look into the other traditions you pointed it.
>>252074
If there is no suffering then there is no happiness. Just like how if there is no evil then there simply can't be a good. Everyone suffers. Even normalfags in their own way. Even those who are rich and turn to drug use because nothing else can give them their dopamine rush anymore. It's possible that one's whole life will be only suffering in order to contrast the person whose life will be only happiness. It sucks and it isn't fair, but it's better to just accept it and at least use your suffering for something whether it be for mental or physical fortitude or even to create a work of art that will inspire others and give them happiness.
If there is no suffering then there is no happiness. Just like how if there is no evil then there simply can't be a good. Everyone suffers. Even normalfags in their own way. Even those who are rich and turn to drug use because nothing else can give them their dopamine rush anymore. It's possible that one's whole life will be only suffering in order to contrast the person whose life will be only happiness. It sucks and it isn't fair, but it's better to just accept it and at least use your suffering for something whether it be for mental or physical fortitude or even to create a work of art that will inspire others and give them happiness.
>>252103
Happiness doesn't justify itself. We as humans put so much value on it because we cling to any decent part of being. No one that wasn't already in this prison would feel attracted to any part of this. It's better to die the second you can instead of "accept it".
Happiness doesn't justify itself. We as humans put so much value on it because we cling to any decent part of being. No one that wasn't already in this prison would feel attracted to any part of this. It's better to die the second you can instead of "accept it".
>>252112
Why doesn't it? It's as good a reason as any other. You don't think that those with more happiness than suffering enjoy life?
Why doesn't it? It's as good a reason as any other. You don't think that those with more happiness than suffering enjoy life?
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>>252102
>Can you tell where fantasy ends and reality begins?
Personally, I think it is important to draw lines. If you blur the line of what's real and what's not based on some twisted philosophical argument you are only cheating yourself in the end. I understand your reasoning and I think you will love buddhism and eastern philosophy/religions, because they have similar thoughts about reality being an illusion only, like you said. I recommended buddhism mainly because it is a religion-philosophical system that teaches the practioner how to live like a good person without deluding himself that there is a higher plan for all our sufferings or that a benevolent God watches out for him. Back to what is reality, my personal advice is be careful. I was trapped by word-plays and abstract philosophical arguments a lot too, but it is important to stand on the earth with both of your feet, if you get my meaning.
>Now I'm starting to believe everything is a human fantasy inspired by something divine. Am I duping myself for believing this?
This is called philosophical idealism. Read Plato if you haven't already, read about eastern religions, read Schopenhauer, you will like them. They are much better alternatives for idealism than christianity, trust me. I'm not an idealist anymore but I find them interesting to study sometimes. My view is that you are reversing things, like all idealists. You give that "something divine" or words/fantasy/concepts too much power. That "divine" thing is a product of your mind, ultimately and not the other way around. In plainer words, I think men created gods and not god/gods men.
>and yet I don't see a flaw in a tradition that accepts suffering and wants to go beyond it, or wants to see something good about it
I find it very dangerous, to be honest. Because of this idealistic culture that accepted suffering as something we were given by God, it was because of this countless people suffered a great deal more than otherwise they should have. If you accept the "will of the Creator" then you are bound to end up with a culture that won't focus on lessening the suffering of the collective, because pain and suffering are seen as natural things in a world like that. Humanity lived horribly during its religious phase when compared to the modern times, I'm sure of it. People chose to cope and deny that there is anything wrong with suffering in the first place in the past, instead of acknowledging that suffering is bad and 'hey, we should do something about it'.
>>252103
>It sucks and it isn't fair, but it's better to just accept it
So you agree with me basically but choose to be blind on purpose or to ignore it? The balance argument is only for humans, because we can only think in opposites. But God is supposed to be omnipotent, he should be able to create a world where we can experience infinite happiness and good, without suffering and evil. Nothing is impossible for him after all. If so, why? Why this world? This kind of thinking is a dead-end. The Creator is either evil or not omnipotent. Literally nobody could give a satisfying explanation for why a good, moral, all-powerful god would create or allow a world like ours to exist.
>Everyone suffers
And this supposed to make us happy? If anything, this truth makes me more miserable. Nobody should suffer, except for those who are genuinely evil persons. God thinks like this too, according to religious texts, yet we see what happens in the world day after day.
>even to create a work of art that will inspire others and give them happiness
So we should suffer in order to be able to create art, that in turn will ease the suffering of people??? But then you say the same thing as me, that suffering is bad and should be lessened as much as possible. Face it, you can't reason either for suffering being good or for a good, omnipotent god creating this world.
>Can you tell where fantasy ends and reality begins?
Personally, I think it is important to draw lines. If you blur the line of what's real and what's not based on some twisted philosophical argument you are only cheating yourself in the end. I understand your reasoning and I think you will love buddhism and eastern philosophy/religions, because they have similar thoughts about reality being an illusion only, like you said. I recommended buddhism mainly because it is a religion-philosophical system that teaches the practioner how to live like a good person without deluding himself that there is a higher plan for all our sufferings or that a benevolent God watches out for him. Back to what is reality, my personal advice is be careful. I was trapped by word-plays and abstract philosophical arguments a lot too, but it is important to stand on the earth with both of your feet, if you get my meaning.
>Now I'm starting to believe everything is a human fantasy inspired by something divine. Am I duping myself for believing this?
This is called philosophical idealism. Read Plato if you haven't already, read about eastern religions, read Schopenhauer, you will like them. They are much better alternatives for idealism than christianity, trust me. I'm not an idealist anymore but I find them interesting to study sometimes. My view is that you are reversing things, like all idealists. You give that "something divine" or words/fantasy/concepts too much power. That "divine" thing is a product of your mind, ultimately and not the other way around. In plainer words, I think men created gods and not god/gods men.
>and yet I don't see a flaw in a tradition that accepts suffering and wants to go beyond it, or wants to see something good about it
I find it very dangerous, to be honest. Because of this idealistic culture that accepted suffering as something we were given by God, it was because of this countless people suffered a great deal more than otherwise they should have. If you accept the "will of the Creator" then you are bound to end up with a culture that won't focus on lessening the suffering of the collective, because pain and suffering are seen as natural things in a world like that. Humanity lived horribly during its religious phase when compared to the modern times, I'm sure of it. People chose to cope and deny that there is anything wrong with suffering in the first place in the past, instead of acknowledging that suffering is bad and 'hey, we should do something about it'.
>>252103
>It sucks and it isn't fair, but it's better to just accept it
So you agree with me basically but choose to be blind on purpose or to ignore it? The balance argument is only for humans, because we can only think in opposites. But God is supposed to be omnipotent, he should be able to create a world where we can experience infinite happiness and good, without suffering and evil. Nothing is impossible for him after all. If so, why? Why this world? This kind of thinking is a dead-end. The Creator is either evil or not omnipotent. Literally nobody could give a satisfying explanation for why a good, moral, all-powerful god would create or allow a world like ours to exist.
>Everyone suffers
And this supposed to make us happy? If anything, this truth makes me more miserable. Nobody should suffer, except for those who are genuinely evil persons. God thinks like this too, according to religious texts, yet we see what happens in the world day after day.
>even to create a work of art that will inspire others and give them happiness
So we should suffer in order to be able to create art, that in turn will ease the suffering of people??? But then you say the same thing as me, that suffering is bad and should be lessened as much as possible. Face it, you can't reason either for suffering being good or for a good, omnipotent god creating this world.
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What is greatness? A quality that is defined by others? I want to reach a point where I define what greatness is, and even if the whole world disagrees. Why should I listen to them? Their opinions have very rarely helped me in the past.
>>253321
Why should I listen to the opinions of cattle like you? Your opinions have very rarely helped me in the past.
Why should I listen to the opinions of cattle like you? Your opinions have very rarely helped me in the past.
>>253323
You're on the right track.
Greatness is the ability to define greatness.
I still struggle with defining my own world, too
You're on the right track.
Greatness is the ability to define greatness.
I still struggle with defining my own world, too
>>251955
Why do you think that anybody knows, how YOU should live?
>I'll never write a great book, create a video game, or make a movie
a lot of people, who succeed at that, are already dead.
And here you are, asking how to live. You already live. Maybe you ideas of living are just shit, haven't thought about that? Where did you get them?
Why do you think that anybody knows, how YOU should live?
>I'll never write a great book, create a video game, or make a movie
a lot of people, who succeed at that, are already dead.
And here you are, asking how to live. You already live. Maybe you ideas of living are just shit, haven't thought about that? Where did you get them?
>>251956
Lol what a bluepill. Those situations happen if you're attractive, he isn't. Simple. When he was young he lacked status and/or looks. Now it's far too late to start a relationship when most succubi start by the time they're 13-14.
Lol what a bluepill. Those situations happen if you're attractive, he isn't. Simple. When he was young he lacked status and/or looks. Now it's far too late to start a relationship when most succubi start by the time they're 13-14.
>>252068
Lol, a Christard or Mudslime here in wizardchan? Literally a retarded baby tier clown who still believes in fairytales.
Lol, a Christard or Mudslime here in wizardchan? Literally a retarded baby tier clown who still believes in fairytales.
>>252033
Yes, I read Dante's clownery. If you're convinced by that you're genuinely hopeless, a complete tard, you're not even sentient to me.
You're convinced by a guy who thought the Austral hemisphere was completely uninhabited and only covered by oceans, who thought our planet was hollow inside, who thought that Earth was at center of the Universe and the rest of the planets and the sun were rotating around it, etc…
Yes, I read Dante's clownery. If you're convinced by that you're genuinely hopeless, a complete tard, you're not even sentient to me.
You're convinced by a guy who thought the Austral hemisphere was completely uninhabited and only covered by oceans, who thought our planet was hollow inside, who thought that Earth was at center of the Universe and the rest of the planets and the sun were rotating around it, etc…
>>252033
Turning to religion doesn’t even help you sometimes. I went in open armed and read all kinds of philosophy and Christian apologetics to break down my resistance to the idea. And afterwards… there was nothing. It didn’t help my mind. I laughed when not even God could help me become a functional human.
Turning to religion doesn’t even help you sometimes. I went in open armed and read all kinds of philosophy and Christian apologetics to break down my resistance to the idea. And afterwards… there was nothing. It didn’t help my mind. I laughed when not even God could help me become a functional human.
>>252068
Oh yes, it totally makes sense that God lets 5 year old kids accidentally fall into pits and slowly die there after being stuck for several days, like Alfredino or Rayan. Or that children would be born with horrible deformities and die after a few years of agony, totally part of the plan brooo!
Just die retard, your tactcits do not work here, try with the braindead trad z00mers in regular 4chan.
Oh yes, it totally makes sense that God lets 5 year old kids accidentally fall into pits and slowly die there after being stuck for several days, like Alfredino or Rayan. Or that children would be born with horrible deformities and die after a few years of agony, totally part of the plan brooo!
Just die retard, your tactcits do not work here, try with the braindead trad z00mers in regular 4chan.
¨I do not permit a succubus to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.¨
-1 Timothy 2:12
-1 Timothy 2:12
>>254541
>I laughed when not even God
Like reading old book and having actual experience of Divine is the same thing.
In those old books are plenty of stories about what people _actually did_ to experience something that is not mundane and pointless. And it was never easy, nor it was "reading more books".
Hell, even Hobbit is that kind of story.
>I laughed when not even God
Like reading old book and having actual experience of Divine is the same thing.
In those old books are plenty of stories about what people _actually did_ to experience something that is not mundane and pointless. And it was never easy, nor it was "reading more books".
Hell, even Hobbit is that kind of story.
Religion do not makes a society better.Countries like , Estonia, Japan, Czechia , Finland where religion is largely irrelevent are millions times better than religious shitholes like Somalia, Afghanistan Uganda or Congo.Religions are fraud
>>254545
Plenty of old books are manuals and advice on experiencing the divine. Spent a large amount of time on prayer and theosis. The line always changes - I haven’t done enough to experience God just another 5 years. The average person uses God for their own benefit; often the degenerate world of material wealth and politics. The derive psychological benefits but I haven’t been trying hard enough. It’s all a sad joke.
Plenty of old books are manuals and advice on experiencing the divine. Spent a large amount of time on prayer and theosis. The line always changes - I haven’t done enough to experience God just another 5 years. The average person uses God for their own benefit; often the degenerate world of material wealth and politics. The derive psychological benefits but I haven’t been trying hard enough. It’s all a sad joke.
You don't have to be not lazy, you have to try. In theory you could dev an entire mini stalker series with x-ray dev tools that are public available. I hate to tell you but if you want shit done than you have to get up and take an adderall. Go to class, don't do glass, you get hassled than have them harassed type shit. Get on your grind.
>>254572
>if you want shit done than you have to get up and take an adderall.
Docs won't give me adderall.
You won't get ADHD meds if you're a loser NEET/hikki. Therapists will look at you with disdain and see you as a drug seeker. If you're a successful law student who has "trouble with focusing on homework bro!" they'll shower you with pills. The more successful you are the more likely you will receive help designed for failures. Doesn't make sense, but normalfags reason this way. Advantages are always given to people who are already winning. Success compounds.
Billionaires get bail outs, not loser small businesses,
Attractive, high status people get promoted, not ugly loners
Smart people get free/cheaper education, not stupid untalented failures
(Yes, I got diagnosed with ADHD but multiple doctors said I was too much of a loser to be given schedule II drugs)
>if you want shit done than you have to get up and take an adderall.
Docs won't give me adderall.
You won't get ADHD meds if you're a loser NEET/hikki. Therapists will look at you with disdain and see you as a drug seeker. If you're a successful law student who has "trouble with focusing on homework bro!" they'll shower you with pills. The more successful you are the more likely you will receive help designed for failures. Doesn't make sense, but normalfags reason this way. Advantages are always given to people who are already winning. Success compounds.
Billionaires get bail outs, not loser small businesses,
Attractive, high status people get promoted, not ugly loners
Smart people get free/cheaper education, not stupid untalented failures
(Yes, I got diagnosed with ADHD but multiple doctors said I was too much of a loser to be given schedule II drugs)
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>>251955
>How should a person live when they're already dead inside? I ask because I'm unhappy, I know I have no choice but to keep living as I lack the willpower required to commit suicide, so how should I cope with this sort of situation?
A life convulsed by death has this affect where death is postponed. Maybe it's a way for spirits like us to conceal the life that convulses us behind death, even as we rest at the bottom of the bottomless pit as an empty shell for years, until we are ripe for living.
>How should a person live when they're already dead inside? I ask because I'm unhappy, I know I have no choice but to keep living as I lack the willpower required to commit suicide, so how should I cope with this sort of situation?
A life convulsed by death has this affect where death is postponed. Maybe it's a way for spirits like us to conceal the life that convulses us behind death, even as we rest at the bottom of the bottomless pit as an empty shell for years, until we are ripe for living.
>>254573
Every single word you said is true. Which is why I've learned to larp as a hypernormie.
Makes life a lot easier even though I'm not one.
It's all about appearances and mannerisms. It's especially important for wizards to learn to emulate them.
Every single word you said is true. Which is why I've learned to larp as a hypernormie.
Makes life a lot easier even though I'm not one.
It's all about appearances and mannerisms. It's especially important for wizards to learn to emulate them.
If you're lazy why even ask the question of how you should live? You're just gonna keep living the same way regardless of what you "want" to do.
>>251955
>create a video game
I've made a game, it sucks dick, but it's up for sale on steam, i'm also a total retard, i followed this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ml_DR76Cl4&list=PL21DB402CB4DAEAEF&ab_channel=densming
You can do it man, if you want to, creative work is within your grasp, you just have to whip yourself like a dog, and it fucking sucks man, it really does.
>create a video game
I've made a game, it sucks dick, but it's up for sale on steam, i'm also a total retard, i followed this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ml_DR76Cl4&list=PL21DB402CB4DAEAEF&ab_channel=densming
You can do it man, if you want to, creative work is within your grasp, you just have to whip yourself like a dog, and it fucking sucks man, it really does.
>>254705
What's wrong with that? OP will never experience romance, he knows it, and by telling us it provides that we won't suggest him to pursue romance. He didn't say that is why he is depressed. If you read the rest of his post you'd see he was just listing one of many ways he doesn't fit to society's expectations for a man and what kind of life he should aim to follow. He's at least a 7/10 on the wizardex.
I'll never experience romance. Can you say the same? Are YOU ever going to experience romance?
What's wrong with that? OP will never experience romance, he knows it, and by telling us it provides that we won't suggest him to pursue romance. He didn't say that is why he is depressed. If you read the rest of his post you'd see he was just listing one of many ways he doesn't fit to society's expectations for a man and what kind of life he should aim to follow. He's at least a 7/10 on the wizardex.
I'll never experience romance. Can you say the same? Are YOU ever going to experience romance?
>>254706
Not OP but i used to want romance when i was younger, but now that im very mentally ill i have 0 desire for it and it's been like this for years now, idk how wizardly this is…
Not OP but i used to want romance when i was younger, but now that im very mentally ill i have 0 desire for it and it's been like this for years now, idk how wizardly this is…
>>254715
I think this is the case for most “asexuals”.
You half heartedly try a bit and then, whatever.
I think this is the case for most “asexuals”.
You half heartedly try a bit and then, whatever.
>>254732
I have given up on a lot of things, romance included, that being said I think this is how most /dep/ wizards are. We come to the conclusion later… wizards are rarely born wizards
I have given up on a lot of things, romance included, that being said I think this is how most /dep/ wizards are. We come to the conclusion later… wizards are rarely born wizards