I wish I studied STEM or IT instead, There's simply no jobs anymore for chemists out there. Take a look around, most people that call themselves 'chemists' haven't been able to hold on to a job for longer than 5-8 years. In fact, I bet most of the people I run into in the chemical industry have had 3, 4, or more jobs within the past decade. How can one ever expect to buy a house or be able to save for health insurance with that kind of job insecurity? The only thing this worthless degree in chemistry has gotten me are permatemp jobs with no benefits for $18/hr. I regret every single day of my life wasting time and money on this worthless chemistry degree. At this rate, it'll only take me the next 25 years between temp job after temp job to payoff all these student loans. I've done job search after job search and the only jobs out there are for A.)temps and B.) terribly mundane, boring, and low paying QC or method development work. There's a reason why there are so many listings for quality control/analysis/method development work–it's because people hate doing it and quit not long after starting which forces companies to constantly rehire.
For anyone who is reading this and has an interesting in the field, stay absolutely clear of chemistry and biology. It is a TERRIBLE career. There's never ending wave after wave of layoffs after companies get done their projects that fail after 5 years, more and more companies have moved to hiring people as low paid permatemps from the third world with no benefits, and there is literally no job security. If you truly love science that much, just be prepared to never be able to own a house or buy something nice every once in while because you will constantly be under the threat of job loss and may have to relocate at any time on a whim. would be better to have a back up plan–go to trade school, earn an accounting degree in parallel, or work for your state's police dept. etc. etc. Anything but trying to be a chemist is better. Believe me, if you try to delve into this crapfest you'll get to know the names like ManPower, Kelly Services, or Aerotek quite well as a permatemp.
Getting a PhD barely helped me either. I spent years and years slaving away doing worthless post doc after post doc for borderline poverty wages to have almost a slim to none chance at getting an academic position. A PhD in industry gets you almost no where these days also, I am simply be "too overqualified" for many positions.
For anyone who is reading this and has an interesting in the field, stay absolutely clear of chemistry and biology. It is a TERRIBLE career. There's never ending wave after wave of layoffs after companies get done their projects that fail after 5 years, more and more companies have moved to hiring people as low paid permatemps from the third world with no benefits, and there is literally no job security. If you truly love science that much, just be prepared to never be able to own a house or buy something nice every once in while because you will constantly be under the threat of job loss and may have to relocate at any time on a whim. would be better to have a back up plan–go to trade school, earn an accounting degree in parallel, or work for your state's police dept. etc. etc. Anything but trying to be a chemist is better. Believe me, if you try to delve into this crapfest you'll get to know the names like ManPower, Kelly Services, or Aerotek quite well as a permatemp.
Getting a PhD barely helped me either. I spent years and years slaving away doing worthless post doc after post doc for borderline poverty wages to have almost a slim to none chance at getting an academic position. A PhD in industry gets you almost no where these days also, I am simply be "too overqualified" for many positions.
>>263220
Waaaay ahead of you wizzie! I've given up on chemistry already, along with all education, all work, all hobbies, and anything productive ever.
Waaaay ahead of you wizzie! I've given up on chemistry already, along with all education, all work, all hobbies, and anything productive ever.
I find it funny how field after field just falls like dominos and everyone floods to the narrow range of STEM jobs (programming) and trades (electrical here) that still pay decent. Law is increasingly in the same position as your chemistry degree OP, 50% of lawyers stay on the lower levels just helping boomers with legal advice shit for $50k a year
>>263223
Same. I have an useless communication degree that I absolutely have no interest in. I accepted that I will be a forever neet but I try to have a hobby like learning Spanish or French. I gave up on being productive on anything.
Same. I have an useless communication degree that I absolutely have no interest in. I accepted that I will be a forever neet but I try to have a hobby like learning Spanish or French. I gave up on being productive on anything.
The only hope at all is that some deep learning hyper intelligent AI figures out a way to solve our problems for us, because humans sure aren't smart enough to do it.
>>263220
really sad thats what happened to you wiz. you sound smart though. maybe you can use that brain to change careers? sounds like you already have a good idea where the money is.
really sad thats what happened to you wiz. you sound smart though. maybe you can use that brain to change careers? sounds like you already have a good idea where the money is.
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>>263220
YO MR WHITE TF YOU DOIN' ON WIZCHAN??? I THOUGHT YOU HAD A WIFE AND CHILDREN
YO MR WHITE TF YOU DOIN' ON WIZCHAN??? I THOUGHT YOU HAD A WIFE AND CHILDREN
>>263609
No. Degrees in themselves are useless now. You need to actually learn IT skills and be able to demonstrate them. Some people benefit from degrees by gaining technical skills and social/industry connections. Some people do degrees without gaining anything from them. Most people would be better off learning in a different way like teaching themselves from online content and getting certifications
No. Degrees in themselves are useless now. You need to actually learn IT skills and be able to demonstrate them. Some people benefit from degrees by gaining technical skills and social/industry connections. Some people do degrees without gaining anything from them. Most people would be better off learning in a different way like teaching themselves from online content and getting certifications
>>263248
It will be like that with essentially every field eventually. The quality of life for the 'working class' as a whole is simply collapsing
It will be like that with essentially every field eventually. The quality of life for the 'working class' as a whole is simply collapsing
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>>263220
Get one of those suits wizard
Get one of those suits wizard
>>263609
Memeprogrammer here, I would say that getting a STEM degree is not really that worth it anymore, you would be better actuallly learning shit by yourself using YT or whatever, as long as you can do shit people wont care if you have a degree or not.
Memeprogrammer here, I would say that getting a STEM degree is not really that worth it anymore, you would be better actuallly learning shit by yourself using YT or whatever, as long as you can do shit people wont care if you have a degree or not.
>>263609
Depends on the type of IT. If you want to do software development, yes. If you want to do database management, systems administration, networking, security - there is really no need. You basically have to self teach, learn on the job, kiss ass, and pass certification exams for non-computer science IT
Depends on the type of IT. If you want to do software development, yes. If you want to do database management, systems administration, networking, security - there is really no need. You basically have to self teach, learn on the job, kiss ass, and pass certification exams for non-computer science IT
>>263815
I'm not OP, but I imagine he does not want to risk getting caught and sodomized either by the state or the cartels that control drug trade.
I'm not OP, but I imagine he does not want to risk getting caught and sodomized either by the state or the cartels that control drug trade.
I studied computer science and now do programming for mid-tier pay. It may sound strange, but I regret it and wish I had studied a less career-centric major. Mainly because I lost all interest in it and now barely have motivation to do my job. Also, I think the whole tech sector is way overvalued, with the sciences such as chemistry perhaps being undervalued. But maybe I'd think differently if I didn't have a secure job (for the time being at least).
Though a big underlying problem with both tech and chemistry and other "professional" fields is that so much is just grunt work that takes only a bit of training/education to do, yet for some reason usually requires a 4-year degree at minimum. Rather than needing to go through a whole university curriculum (which is often irrelevant or severely outdated compared to what's needed in the actual industry) to get a basic job, there should just be on-the-job training supplemented with some classes, and the ability to climb the ladder with experience rather than needing to get a higher level degree. You know, how things used to be during the so-called golden age.
>>263248
Yeah the meme by conservatives is that there's all these students getting gender study degrees and end up working at Starbucks. Yet very few actually do the truly worthless degrees, but sooo many who have degrees in hard sciences, or otherwise seemingly viable fields, end up unable to find a job in their field and have to do a career change after graduating. It's a tremendous waste of time, energy and human potential. Everyone associated with the education-political complex should be hung for all the lives they've ruined.
Though a big underlying problem with both tech and chemistry and other "professional" fields is that so much is just grunt work that takes only a bit of training/education to do, yet for some reason usually requires a 4-year degree at minimum. Rather than needing to go through a whole university curriculum (which is often irrelevant or severely outdated compared to what's needed in the actual industry) to get a basic job, there should just be on-the-job training supplemented with some classes, and the ability to climb the ladder with experience rather than needing to get a higher level degree. You know, how things used to be during the so-called golden age.
>>263248
Yeah the meme by conservatives is that there's all these students getting gender study degrees and end up working at Starbucks. Yet very few actually do the truly worthless degrees, but sooo many who have degrees in hard sciences, or otherwise seemingly viable fields, end up unable to find a job in their field and have to do a career change after graduating. It's a tremendous waste of time, energy and human potential. Everyone associated with the education-political complex should be hung for all the lives they've ruined.
>>264706
If only I were in your place Wizbro. I am about to go homeless soon, I have no skills or qualifications.
If only I were in your place Wizbro. I am about to go homeless soon, I have no skills or qualifications.
>>264709
I don't know where you live but in US or other anglo countries it should be not hard to find a job right now, due to the chaos in the labor market. Last year I applied to a security officer job and just made up my entire resume, and got two job offers for $15 and $18/hr.
Hell I could even pay you to do my job while I look for another one. The project I'm currently doing has almost no programming, anyone could do it.
I don't know where you live but in US or other anglo countries it should be not hard to find a job right now, due to the chaos in the labor market. Last year I applied to a security officer job and just made up my entire resume, and got two job offers for $15 and $18/hr.
Hell I could even pay you to do my job while I look for another one. The project I'm currently doing has almost no programming, anyone could do it.
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>>264706
Anon, as someone who is studying programming and wants to do it for a job, how much time is actually spent making the world a better place?
I always look around at the recent advancements and it just seems like every second programmer is doing a job that actively makes things worse for people. I noticed technicians working on the ATMs around town, I didn't think much of it, and then I went to transfer some money and noticed they had removed that option. There was no need for them to actively make things harder for people, especially old people that don't do online banking.
It's like like everywhere I look, businesses are always looking to have fucking social media and online integration into products and services that don't need it. I don't want to get a job where I feel like I'm just making the world worse as I'm working.
Anon, as someone who is studying programming and wants to do it for a job, how much time is actually spent making the world a better place?
I always look around at the recent advancements and it just seems like every second programmer is doing a job that actively makes things worse for people. I noticed technicians working on the ATMs around town, I didn't think much of it, and then I went to transfer some money and noticed they had removed that option. There was no need for them to actively make things harder for people, especially old people that don't do online banking.
It's like like everywhere I look, businesses are always looking to have fucking social media and online integration into products and services that don't need it. I don't want to get a job where I feel like I'm just making the world worse as I'm working.
>>264711
I live in Argentina, I can't handle manual labour, I Know I will eventually leave any job I take assuming the pay will be enough to pay the overpriced rent, I don't know how long I can survive.
I live in Argentina, I can't handle manual labour, I Know I will eventually leave any job I take assuming the pay will be enough to pay the overpriced rent, I don't know how long I can survive.
>>264714
That's one of the reasons I lost interest in it. 99% of work you can find does nothing to contribute to humanity, in fact it's likely detrimental. Though the same applies to many other fields I think it's particularly pronounced in 'tech'. Right now I'm just doing it to pay the bills while I find another line of work.
That's one of the reasons I lost interest in it. 99% of work you can find does nothing to contribute to humanity, in fact it's likely detrimental. Though the same applies to many other fields I think it's particularly pronounced in 'tech'. Right now I'm just doing it to pay the bills while I find another line of work.
>>264714
this killed it for me too. If youre working for money and not a top senior developer it is essentially certain that you be actively working to make the world worse
this killed it for me too. If youre working for money and not a top senior developer it is essentially certain that you be actively working to make the world worse
>>264740
I never felt that way working as a scaffolder. I was throwing up temporary work platforms so buildings could be built and maintenance could be done. I went home satisfied with my work, unless there was some obstacle and I was stuck lugging gear 50+ meters to the building. The only time I've ever truly done a pointless job was when I spent two weeks building a scaffold around a vessel, only for the engineer to come out and say they fucked up and forgot that it had to be internally gutted first. But even that wasn't that big a deal.
>>264767
Yeah, imagine spending years studying statistics and software development only to be ordered to formulate algorithms that are designed to get people helplessly addicted to your product. I think that's why so many people actually passionate about tech become unemployed GNU types.
I never felt that way working as a scaffolder. I was throwing up temporary work platforms so buildings could be built and maintenance could be done. I went home satisfied with my work, unless there was some obstacle and I was stuck lugging gear 50+ meters to the building. The only time I've ever truly done a pointless job was when I spent two weeks building a scaffold around a vessel, only for the engineer to come out and say they fucked up and forgot that it had to be internally gutted first. But even that wasn't that big a deal.
>>264767
Yeah, imagine spending years studying statistics and software development only to be ordered to formulate algorithms that are designed to get people helplessly addicted to your product. I think that's why so many people actually passionate about tech become unemployed GNU types.
>>264770
>but we see much engineering talent evaporate into finance and marketing when it would serve other sectors of the economy better
Then it is indeed allocating human capital efficiently
>but we see much engineering talent evaporate into finance and marketing when it would serve other sectors of the economy better
Then it is indeed allocating human capital efficiently
>>264770
What other sectors? Engineering talent is in finance and marketing because they're literally replacing bankers and traditional market researchers. Go to wall street and New York financial centers and you'll find it's half codecels in the back rooms tweaking algorithms to automate the purchasing and selling of options.
30% of bankers will be gone in five years time according to industry insiders, that's sunset industry shit, a pace that not even the the textile artisans in the 19th century had to contend with.
What other sectors? Engineering talent is in finance and marketing because they're literally replacing bankers and traditional market researchers. Go to wall street and New York financial centers and you'll find it's half codecels in the back rooms tweaking algorithms to automate the purchasing and selling of options.
30% of bankers will be gone in five years time according to industry insiders, that's sunset industry shit, a pace that not even the the textile artisans in the 19th century had to contend with.
>>264770
>Supposedly the labor market allocates human capital efficiently
It would if society prioritized efficiency of industrial input. But due to retarded government/monetary policy that encourages usury and social stigmas that put certain occupations above others, the labor market is skewed towards certain arguably less valuable fields.
>Supposedly the labor market allocates human capital efficiently
It would if society prioritized efficiency of industrial input. But due to retarded government/monetary policy that encourages usury and social stigmas that put certain occupations above others, the labor market is skewed towards certain arguably less valuable fields.
You could try learning programming and do something interestimg with it. There's a field in bio called bioinformatics and it combines both biology and CS. I'd ponder there's something similar with chemistry.
A Chemistry degree would be a decent option in my case, I work in welding with poverty wages, I make no more then 30k USD a year.
>>264978
I laugh when I see blue collar wagies cope about "da deep underwater welders that make $120,000+ a year".
The average wage for welders is like $40-50k a year, you can literally find this with a google search.
I laugh when I see blue collar wagies cope about "da deep underwater welders that make $120,000+ a year".
The average wage for welders is like $40-50k a year, you can literally find this with a google search.
>>264804
Programming / software "engineering" is oversaturated too. That's why companies, both large and small, can get away with 7-stage interviews and have you do computer science trivia pursuit and leetcode questions and then 8-hour take-home assignments.
Programming / software "engineering" is oversaturated too. That's why companies, both large and small, can get away with 7-stage interviews and have you do computer science trivia pursuit and leetcode questions and then 8-hour take-home assignments.
>>263609
To get your foot in the door in certain places, yes. But you don't need a degree to go into software or IT. Just skills and connections.
To get your foot in the door in certain places, yes. But you don't need a degree to go into software or IT. Just skills and connections.
>For anyone who is reading this and has an interesting in the field, stay absolutely clear of chemistry and biology. It is a TERRIBLE career.
It beats working at a warehouse or being a retail/fast food slave. I'd say you're doing better than you think. Plus it's easier to pivot into something else STEM-related.
It beats working at a warehouse or being a retail/fast food slave. I'd say you're doing better than you think. Plus it's easier to pivot into something else STEM-related.
>>264979
lmao so true, blue collar wagies always telling people to go to trades instead of college.
This kind of shitty advice only applies to America where you can work in the oil rigs and make 100k a year, in other countries, go to trades and prepare to work your long hours for shit pay.
lmao so true, blue collar wagies always telling people to go to trades instead of college.
This kind of shitty advice only applies to America where you can work in the oil rigs and make 100k a year, in other countries, go to trades and prepare to work your long hours for shit pay.
>>266760
Tradies are for the most part total stockholm syndromed wagecucks. They are fucking proud of having fucked knees, working 4x harder than anyone else for little reward and having stagnant, low wages.
Tradies are for the most part total stockholm syndromed wagecucks. They are fucking proud of having fucked knees, working 4x harder than anyone else for little reward and having stagnant, low wages.
Where did the "do trades" instead meme come from
its all cope, the only absolute for most of them is near guaranteed employment
leaving out the nice part of becoming a cripple at 40 and making 1/3 what they claim you will make
its all cope, the only absolute for most of them is near guaranteed employment
leaving out the nice part of becoming a cripple at 40 and making 1/3 what they claim you will make
>>267074
>Where did the "do trades" instead meme come from
I'd also be interested to find out this
The option that's slapped down in front of you is normally something like "be a programmer or electrician" (tech or trade), but this leaves out huge sectors of the economy (law, finance, logistics, media, government, research, farming, education, etc), so this "advice" is plainly targeted at a very precise demographic of people. I believe it's intended to produce two results:
1. to get you to buy into the system
2. to put you in position where you make no decisions
You can follow the advice and be well compensated for it, but in the eyes of the people giving that advice you are also being deactivated
>Where did the "do trades" instead meme come from
I'd also be interested to find out this
The option that's slapped down in front of you is normally something like "be a programmer or electrician" (tech or trade), but this leaves out huge sectors of the economy (law, finance, logistics, media, government, research, farming, education, etc), so this "advice" is plainly targeted at a very precise demographic of people. I believe it's intended to produce two results:
1. to get you to buy into the system
2. to put you in position where you make no decisions
You can follow the advice and be well compensated for it, but in the eyes of the people giving that advice you are also being deactivated
>>267074
It comes from boomer lower middle class tradesmen who want to make themselves feel better and constantly cope about how their job is 'hard'. They are the target demographic of the Mike Rowe Dirty Jobs show. I've done the sort of work on the show and it's either something you enjoy or something you don't, but the thing is you are working much harder than most people and are seriously underpaid relative to the effort put in. In third world countries it's the very definition of wageslavery, in countries like Bolivia being a day labour means working at sustenance level. There's a reason third worlders save away every penny to give their kids a chance at higher education so they don't ever have to do that shit work.
>>267080
Electrician is shilled because it has pretty good wages and lifestyle relative to the other trades. But the caveat is that in first world countries it's bottlenecked by regulations and qualifications which prop up the industry above the others. While everyone can become a bricklayer, scaffolder, concrete cutter, builder; it takes the same amount of time to become an electrician as it does to do a full university degree. In third world countries like India, electricians are literally day labourer tier because regulations are flouted there and it isn't gatekept behind three years of education.
>(law, finance, logistics, media, government, research, farming, education, etc),
Law is over-saturated, Finance and banking will be reduced by 30% over the next five years due to industry insiders. Logistics is actually a pretty safe bet and is consistent. Media is down to buzzfeed tier clickbaiting and they always seem to have massive layoffs. Research is horrifying and bleak with the "publish or perish" mentality. Farming is literally all Pajeets here on foreign work visas pushing the wages down to supermarket tier with a few white managers. Education is in many sectors a bubble due to the university bubble, and if it ever pops they're just going to flood out into high school teaching.
People are lazy and want money for little effort, and are always chasing the next meme. Career advice IRL isn't much different to the 4chan /biz/ pepe posting bullshit about their careers. people notice their acquaintances having an easier life doing X so they go do X.
It comes from boomer lower middle class tradesmen who want to make themselves feel better and constantly cope about how their job is 'hard'. They are the target demographic of the Mike Rowe Dirty Jobs show. I've done the sort of work on the show and it's either something you enjoy or something you don't, but the thing is you are working much harder than most people and are seriously underpaid relative to the effort put in. In third world countries it's the very definition of wageslavery, in countries like Bolivia being a day labour means working at sustenance level. There's a reason third worlders save away every penny to give their kids a chance at higher education so they don't ever have to do that shit work.
>>267080
Electrician is shilled because it has pretty good wages and lifestyle relative to the other trades. But the caveat is that in first world countries it's bottlenecked by regulations and qualifications which prop up the industry above the others. While everyone can become a bricklayer, scaffolder, concrete cutter, builder; it takes the same amount of time to become an electrician as it does to do a full university degree. In third world countries like India, electricians are literally day labourer tier because regulations are flouted there and it isn't gatekept behind three years of education.
>(law, finance, logistics, media, government, research, farming, education, etc),
Law is over-saturated, Finance and banking will be reduced by 30% over the next five years due to industry insiders. Logistics is actually a pretty safe bet and is consistent. Media is down to buzzfeed tier clickbaiting and they always seem to have massive layoffs. Research is horrifying and bleak with the "publish or perish" mentality. Farming is literally all Pajeets here on foreign work visas pushing the wages down to supermarket tier with a few white managers. Education is in many sectors a bubble due to the university bubble, and if it ever pops they're just going to flood out into high school teaching.
People are lazy and want money for little effort, and are always chasing the next meme. Career advice IRL isn't much different to the 4chan /biz/ pepe posting bullshit about their careers. people notice their acquaintances having an easier life doing X so they go do X.
>>267094
>Finance and banking will be reduced by 30% over the next five years due to industry insiders.
according to industry insiders*
>Finance and banking will be reduced by 30% over the next five years due to industry insiders.
according to industry insiders*
>>267094
What the hell I'm supposed to do i have no idea. There's only 2 types of professions that get paid decent amount and that's CS and food deliveries… I have a bio degree and there are very few lab postings in my area. Do i have to start doing deliveries cuz that's what people do and they get paid more than 90% of the jobs. I live in a tourist shithole where the food and tourism sector is overfunded, and other sectors severely underfunded. it's all so retarded man.
What the hell I'm supposed to do i have no idea. There's only 2 types of professions that get paid decent amount and that's CS and food deliveries… I have a bio degree and there are very few lab postings in my area. Do i have to start doing deliveries cuz that's what people do and they get paid more than 90% of the jobs. I live in a tourist shithole where the food and tourism sector is overfunded, and other sectors severely underfunded. it's all so retarded man.
STEM was my dream, but i was so bad at math, couldnt do 7th grade math, was told not to even bother
was super pissed about it when i was a kid. now glad ppl told me to stay away. id ave a worthless stem degree and be doin my Ass job anyways.
life blows
was super pissed about it when i was a kid. now glad ppl told me to stay away. id ave a worthless stem degree and be doin my Ass job anyways.
life blows
Tech jobs are top tier. I am not joking when I say I probably would have killed myself by now if it wasn't for my success in tech. To give you all advice there's really two ways to get a job in tech. They are both extremely different and have pros and cons.
Way 1 – comp sci degree
Pros:
- only way to get hired into more conservative companies
- FAGMAN companies (facebook, amazon, google, etc) have a massive bias towards hiring people with degrees
- easier to get jobs in the future
Cons:
- takes forever
- might not be possible for people with disabilities
- doesn't actually distinguish you among competition because everyone has one
- can end up racking up debt (country-specific)
Way 2 - No degree; distinguished open-source engineer
Pros
- no college debt what-so-ever
- entirely self-paced; much better for people with disabilities
- easy to distinguish yourself by creating software; much greater career leverage
- more job flexibility, easily transition to high paid consulting
you will end up amazingly good at selling yourself
Cons
- requires insane motivation
- requires curiosity and creativity, you must be comfortable with teaching yourself. might not be suitable for people who need structure.
- requires high initial investment building open source projects good enough
- you WILL be filtered by normie recruiters at big tech companies for not having a degree even if you created software used at their company
I did approach 2 and it worked out well for me. The first open source project I made was massive and complicated. But it was impressive enough to get me my first tech job. I was very inexperienced and fucked up many things up though that's the only way to learn… Software engineering is a complex field. The only way to get good at it is with constant practice. Even after 5 years of coding I'm only now starting to write anything worth saving.
I've worked for many tech companies and the work environment varies from 'you define and implement everything, you call all the shots' to literally having a panel of neckbeards critique every line you make. Some managers have no plan at all. Some managers are engineers themselves and want enough detail that they even want to know what kind of code you want to write. What I'm most familiar with is being in charge of a certain feature or even an entire project and not having people interfere with what I'm doing. I have my own way of working and I'm most productive when I can control the result and the blue print is defined enough for me to not have to try guess what someone is thinking. I also prefer to work with tech that isn't disgusting but tech companies seem to really over-complicate everything.
I've seen these kind of jobs discussed on Wizchan before and IMO, people go about this wrong. I get the impression that a lot of people in these kind of jobs are just working as full stack or front end devs. But that's how you end up becoming a code monkey in a normie team. You need to learn weird shit and become an expert in that. That's how you end up being in charge of stuff by yourself and not having to deal with the bullshit.
Way 1 – comp sci degree
Pros:
- only way to get hired into more conservative companies
- FAGMAN companies (facebook, amazon, google, etc) have a massive bias towards hiring people with degrees
- easier to get jobs in the future
Cons:
- takes forever
- might not be possible for people with disabilities
- doesn't actually distinguish you among competition because everyone has one
- can end up racking up debt (country-specific)
Way 2 - No degree; distinguished open-source engineer
Pros
- no college debt what-so-ever
- entirely self-paced; much better for people with disabilities
- easy to distinguish yourself by creating software; much greater career leverage
- more job flexibility, easily transition to high paid consulting
you will end up amazingly good at selling yourself
Cons
- requires insane motivation
- requires curiosity and creativity, you must be comfortable with teaching yourself. might not be suitable for people who need structure.
- requires high initial investment building open source projects good enough
- you WILL be filtered by normie recruiters at big tech companies for not having a degree even if you created software used at their company
I did approach 2 and it worked out well for me. The first open source project I made was massive and complicated. But it was impressive enough to get me my first tech job. I was very inexperienced and fucked up many things up though that's the only way to learn… Software engineering is a complex field. The only way to get good at it is with constant practice. Even after 5 years of coding I'm only now starting to write anything worth saving.
I've worked for many tech companies and the work environment varies from 'you define and implement everything, you call all the shots' to literally having a panel of neckbeards critique every line you make. Some managers have no plan at all. Some managers are engineers themselves and want enough detail that they even want to know what kind of code you want to write. What I'm most familiar with is being in charge of a certain feature or even an entire project and not having people interfere with what I'm doing. I have my own way of working and I'm most productive when I can control the result and the blue print is defined enough for me to not have to try guess what someone is thinking. I also prefer to work with tech that isn't disgusting but tech companies seem to really over-complicate everything.
I've seen these kind of jobs discussed on Wizchan before and IMO, people go about this wrong. I get the impression that a lot of people in these kind of jobs are just working as full stack or front end devs. But that's how you end up becoming a code monkey in a normie team. You need to learn weird shit and become an expert in that. That's how you end up being in charge of stuff by yourself and not having to deal with the bullshit.
>>267133
What's your current job if I may ask? I'm in the same boat where I was absolute dogshit at math no matter how hard I tried, I have no idea wether if it's due to me having undiagnosed ADHD or if I just have a Low IQ, either way genetics is a bitch to me. I'm tired of physical work and I just want a comfy white collar job that pays decently and doesn't involve anything complex or much communication with normalfags, but I suppose that's too much to ask for.
>>267145
I tried to get into CD but it obviously didn't work out, any thoughts on becoming a network technician? I heard it's actually not too complex of a job and the various degrees you can pursue to get into it requires few math classes compared to a CS one.
What's your current job if I may ask? I'm in the same boat where I was absolute dogshit at math no matter how hard I tried, I have no idea wether if it's due to me having undiagnosed ADHD or if I just have a Low IQ, either way genetics is a bitch to me. I'm tired of physical work and I just want a comfy white collar job that pays decently and doesn't involve anything complex or much communication with normalfags, but I suppose that's too much to ask for.
>>267145
I tried to get into CD but it obviously didn't work out, any thoughts on becoming a network technician? I heard it's actually not too complex of a job and the various degrees you can pursue to get into it requires few math classes compared to a CS one.
>>267145
bro can you help me with some advice? I had a mental breakdown after graduating (actually during the final exams) and I have a degree in CS from a global top 30 uni but not job, and I've been unemployed for 5 years. Is there hope for me? I can barely stay sane. I worked really hard for it but I broke down and now I can't do it again unless I know I can succeed.
bro can you help me with some advice? I had a mental breakdown after graduating (actually during the final exams) and I have a degree in CS from a global top 30 uni but not job, and I've been unemployed for 5 years. Is there hope for me? I can barely stay sane. I worked really hard for it but I broke down and now I can't do it again unless I know I can succeed.
>>267153
The only formal qualifications I have are 'networking' certs. When I was starting out early on I thought I might end up as one of those guys building school networks and managing servers. I got my certs and got high distinctions… Well… turns out all those jobs require very good social skills to get.
In our class literally only the most Chad guy and Stacy succubus ended up being employed in that career track afterwards. I was actually shocked anyone managed to transition to a related tech job from these basic certs… But apparently if you're a normalfag that's what you can do. It didn't work out for me and I'm glad it didn't tbh. Software guys earn much more and don't have to commute. But yeah, maybe you can make it work still?
>>267188
You should brush up on your coding skills and build something you can at least talk about in interviews. My process for getting tech jobs is based entirely on using job boards. I don't apply to companies like Facebook or Google, or any company that requires a physical presence. I look for specialized jobs at startups. The websites I use are:
- workatastartup
- angellist
- stackoverflow jobs
- industry-specific job sites (i work in security)
You should try to specialize rather than become a developer that 'does it all.' By that I mean: learn something like AI, security, database, infrastructure scalability, devops, financial technology. Research the job markets for that. They will have very specific skills they need. For example: in finance they need people who know Rust.
You will also need to explain your 5 year gap. If I were you I'd just write on your resume that you were consulting and don't tell them your clients for 'confidentiality' reasons. No one checks references. But do make sure you can code or you're just going to be fired rapidly. Btw: Don't bother talking to external recruiters. They are just middle men that waste your time. They are in no position to make hiring decisions despite pretending that they do. External recruiters are different though. They work for the company.
With your mental health issues I'd strongly suggest you trying to get that under control before working a tech job because tech can be very stressful. See a doctor and see if you need to get on mood stabilizers or anything like that. Tl; dr: you will have to learn new things and brush up on your skills if you want to enter the industry again. Simply because 5 years is such a massive amount of time in tech.
The only formal qualifications I have are 'networking' certs. When I was starting out early on I thought I might end up as one of those guys building school networks and managing servers. I got my certs and got high distinctions… Well… turns out all those jobs require very good social skills to get.
In our class literally only the most Chad guy and Stacy succubus ended up being employed in that career track afterwards. I was actually shocked anyone managed to transition to a related tech job from these basic certs… But apparently if you're a normalfag that's what you can do. It didn't work out for me and I'm glad it didn't tbh. Software guys earn much more and don't have to commute. But yeah, maybe you can make it work still?
>>267188
You should brush up on your coding skills and build something you can at least talk about in interviews. My process for getting tech jobs is based entirely on using job boards. I don't apply to companies like Facebook or Google, or any company that requires a physical presence. I look for specialized jobs at startups. The websites I use are:
- workatastartup
- angellist
- stackoverflow jobs
- industry-specific job sites (i work in security)
You should try to specialize rather than become a developer that 'does it all.' By that I mean: learn something like AI, security, database, infrastructure scalability, devops, financial technology. Research the job markets for that. They will have very specific skills they need. For example: in finance they need people who know Rust.
You will also need to explain your 5 year gap. If I were you I'd just write on your resume that you were consulting and don't tell them your clients for 'confidentiality' reasons. No one checks references. But do make sure you can code or you're just going to be fired rapidly. Btw: Don't bother talking to external recruiters. They are just middle men that waste your time. They are in no position to make hiring decisions despite pretending that they do. External recruiters are different though. They work for the company.
With your mental health issues I'd strongly suggest you trying to get that under control before working a tech job because tech can be very stressful. See a doctor and see if you need to get on mood stabilizers or anything like that. Tl; dr: you will have to learn new things and brush up on your skills if you want to enter the industry again. Simply because 5 years is such a massive amount of time in tech.
>>267188
>global top 30 uni
CS is so insanely saturated at the entry level that rank no longer matters. I've heard of unemployed grads from CMU, UIUC, etc. These are some of the best schools but people are still struggling to find work before and after graduation. If you haven't been able to find a job in all this time, maybe it's a sign that you should cut your losses and move on.
You could possibly go back to school and study something unrelated to tech but still in demand, like accounting. Very low unemployment rate for this major compared to CS grads, at least in the US.
>global top 30 uni
CS is so insanely saturated at the entry level that rank no longer matters. I've heard of unemployed grads from CMU, UIUC, etc. These are some of the best schools but people are still struggling to find work before and after graduation. If you haven't been able to find a job in all this time, maybe it's a sign that you should cut your losses and move on.
You could possibly go back to school and study something unrelated to tech but still in demand, like accounting. Very low unemployment rate for this major compared to CS grads, at least in the US.
>>267209
Yes, on top of that there are just some people who will never get good with programming. This guy I know has been fired 3 times from his CS jobs. He may get better in the future but I highly doubt he'll do something complex.
That being said idk much about programming.
Yes, on top of that there are just some people who will never get good with programming. This guy I know has been fired 3 times from his CS jobs. He may get better in the future but I highly doubt he'll do something complex.
That being said idk much about programming.
>>267199
Thanks for the advice anon I really appreciate it. I hope I'll find some startup. I don't want to take pills though. I assume you meant "internal recruiters" in your second to last paragraph.
Thanks for the advice anon I really appreciate it. I hope I'll find some startup. I don't want to take pills though. I assume you meant "internal recruiters" in your second to last paragraph.
>>267225
i dont know about code or cs. i do know about findin work wen desperate. apply to everything, even if not qualified. trow crap til it sticks somewhere, ave a lie/story that sounds convincing, and if ired be ready to work.
was forced back to work after 8 plus years of neet. now livin in hell
i dont know about code or cs. i do know about findin work wen desperate. apply to everything, even if not qualified. trow crap til it sticks somewhere, ave a lie/story that sounds convincing, and if ired be ready to work.
was forced back to work after 8 plus years of neet. now livin in hell
>>267243
thanks anon I really appreciate it. I have a big problem with lying, I think that's a major problem for me. It makes it difficult to cope with the norman world which is full of retarded bullshit. And I'm sorry about that, wageslaving fucking sucks especially when forced to do it. Hopefully we won't have to do it until we die. Not having a relationship (or worse, marriage) means we have a higher chance of success.
thanks anon I really appreciate it. I have a big problem with lying, I think that's a major problem for me. It makes it difficult to cope with the norman world which is full of retarded bullshit. And I'm sorry about that, wageslaving fucking sucks especially when forced to do it. Hopefully we won't have to do it until we die. Not having a relationship (or worse, marriage) means we have a higher chance of success.
>>267209
Very true, the real struggle is getting an entry level job even if you have a bloody degree. After that it's smooth sailing, at least in terms of finding work. What i had to do was take a shitty low-paid internship for 2 years. Since I've had that experience on my resume I get hammered by recruiters.
However I really think all you who think CS is the only option should reconsider. I was getting sick of this field even before I graduated, and was considering switching majors, but fell victim to sunk cost fallacy and finished anyway. I really regret it now that I've ended up a Java monkey.
Frankly I think this field is in a huge bubble, just like most of the economy. I think physical jobs like trades and manufacturing are way undervalued, both because they tend to suck and we've relied on cheap labor from Mexico and China for so long. I'm considering transitioning to being a CNC programmer since that's what my dad used to do. And to me it looks a lot more interesting than debugging a clusterfuck of Java boilerplate.
Very true, the real struggle is getting an entry level job even if you have a bloody degree. After that it's smooth sailing, at least in terms of finding work. What i had to do was take a shitty low-paid internship for 2 years. Since I've had that experience on my resume I get hammered by recruiters.
However I really think all you who think CS is the only option should reconsider. I was getting sick of this field even before I graduated, and was considering switching majors, but fell victim to sunk cost fallacy and finished anyway. I really regret it now that I've ended up a Java monkey.
Frankly I think this field is in a huge bubble, just like most of the economy. I think physical jobs like trades and manufacturing are way undervalued, both because they tend to suck and we've relied on cheap labor from Mexico and China for so long. I'm considering transitioning to being a CNC programmer since that's what my dad used to do. And to me it looks a lot more interesting than debugging a clusterfuck of Java boilerplate.
>>267263
you're a good guy wizzie. i also value telling the truth and think it's important not to lie about things that matter. if you don't tell the story of a normie though you'll just get walked all over. im sure you're bright and will do fine. a lot of getting hired is just sending the right signals and hints that you could do useful work for a company. people who are confident naturally do this even if they're incompetent. you deserve to earn money and live a good life just like anyone. if you play the game a little you'll be surprised.
>>267264
if i were you i would probably go far enough to set up a fake physical presence in another country. you can get virtual office addresses. startups are well known for trying to jew people who live in poorer countries. they don't do it to me because im from australia and i stand my ground and name a USD salary in line with their local market rates. but you may need to say that you're living someone else if you want to do the same thing. it could let you earn like 10 - 20x more money. i would think of a good strategy to do this. like maybe even getting someone you know in the US to use their residence as your 'address' for the company and say you're living in the US (but not willing to relocate.) fuck it man, lying is shitty but i think its wrong for companies to exploit people like that. this could be a life-changing amount of money for someone with low living costs.
you're a good guy wizzie. i also value telling the truth and think it's important not to lie about things that matter. if you don't tell the story of a normie though you'll just get walked all over. im sure you're bright and will do fine. a lot of getting hired is just sending the right signals and hints that you could do useful work for a company. people who are confident naturally do this even if they're incompetent. you deserve to earn money and live a good life just like anyone. if you play the game a little you'll be surprised.
>>267264
if i were you i would probably go far enough to set up a fake physical presence in another country. you can get virtual office addresses. startups are well known for trying to jew people who live in poorer countries. they don't do it to me because im from australia and i stand my ground and name a USD salary in line with their local market rates. but you may need to say that you're living someone else if you want to do the same thing. it could let you earn like 10 - 20x more money. i would think of a good strategy to do this. like maybe even getting someone you know in the US to use their residence as your 'address' for the company and say you're living in the US (but not willing to relocate.) fuck it man, lying is shitty but i think its wrong for companies to exploit people like that. this could be a life-changing amount of money for someone with low living costs.
>>267444
Thanks for the ideas anon. That's a good suggestion, I hadn't thought of that. I do know a few people in the US. Also I agree, when it comes to things like these you have to act confident, lie and pretend you're a normie otherwise you get hit with the typical normalfag hostility and you won't get the job, you'll get fired or worse. Companies are just a bunch of normies that don't give a fuck about us and exploit us whenever they want
Thanks for the ideas anon. That's a good suggestion, I hadn't thought of that. I do know a few people in the US. Also I agree, when it comes to things like these you have to act confident, lie and pretend you're a normie otherwise you get hit with the typical normalfag hostility and you won't get the job, you'll get fired or worse. Companies are just a bunch of normies that don't give a fuck about us and exploit us whenever they want
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>>263220
Went for a math PhD myself anon. Completely useless. I fell for the trades meme next, and I do HVAC work now. I more or less hide my PhD to get by. I sometimes get saddened by how much I've studied and how much of my thesis I've completely forgotten.
Went for a math PhD myself anon. Completely useless. I fell for the trades meme next, and I do HVAC work now. I more or less hide my PhD to get by. I sometimes get saddened by how much I've studied and how much of my thesis I've completely forgotten.
>>269064
yeah wasted life is no fun, but you'll get used soon and then you'll start to take in with humor or drop out from life.
yeah wasted life is no fun, but you'll get used soon and then you'll start to take in with humor or drop out from life.
>>269060
That's very sad. The worst part about it is the universities can correlate your prolonged education with slightly higher earnings and spin the whole thing as a success story. Postsecondary is such a messed up business.
I have a Bachelors in History. Laugh at me, halfway through the four years I knew it was a mistake
That's very sad. The worst part about it is the universities can correlate your prolonged education with slightly higher earnings and spin the whole thing as a success story. Postsecondary is such a messed up business.
I have a Bachelors in History. Laugh at me, halfway through the four years I knew it was a mistake
As a college dropout who is a NEET right now I regret not just studying ANYTHING and finishing the degree no matter what. Maybe just so I can find out if what I've been reading about the difficulty of getting a job is bullshit or not.
From what I've seen isn't a college degree mainly about proof you have a certain intelligence and drive and maybe some familiarity with the scientific method rather than the subject? I've seen so many people with interesting jobs who got their degree in something else.
From what I've read if you want a job you need to show initiative like doing internships, networking or having a portfolio of personal projects. Did the people complaining about not getting a job despite studying STEM and good grades do any of that?
Also one thing I learned from reading reviews is that people are drama queens and conveniently only tell their side of their story. Like how yelp reviews will complain about unfriendly staff but leave out where they behaved like an asshole.
From what I've seen isn't a college degree mainly about proof you have a certain intelligence and drive and maybe some familiarity with the scientific method rather than the subject? I've seen so many people with interesting jobs who got their degree in something else.
From what I've read if you want a job you need to show initiative like doing internships, networking or having a portfolio of personal projects. Did the people complaining about not getting a job despite studying STEM and good grades do any of that?
Also one thing I learned from reading reviews is that people are drama queens and conveniently only tell their side of their story. Like how yelp reviews will complain about unfriendly staff but leave out where they behaved like an asshole.
It's crazy to me how fucked you are if you are not one of the lucky ones who have a ~passion~ for stem or some super talent that allows you to turn your hobby into a job.
>>269067
>>269060
JFC,
you have a fuckin PhD and you fucked it so bad you wound up in trades? lol, sorry man was always my dream to do stem, i was so bad at math, i was told, just keep away dummy. i cant even imagine gettin to PhD level and zero.
let me guess, your advisors hated you and told no one to hire you. i heard its pretty common to black ball unliked recent PhDs now.
>>269067
>>269085
dont make my mistake. start half payin attention in school. your grades dont matter, no one will care. focus all your time now on a Real Job you can realistically see yourself doin. and try to network w/ family members in it, to try and line it up before school ends. i didnt do history, but equally dumb, and when i was done i was travolta meme, ok now wat do i do.
>>269087
i did have a passion for. well my dream was to be a pilot. was told not w/ my crap eyes. back up was stem, i couldnt even do grade school math. was never really interested in anything else. picked a crap school crap degree. now i just eeek by, and not in my field of course, couldnt buy a job in it.
>>269060
JFC,
you have a fuckin PhD and you fucked it so bad you wound up in trades? lol, sorry man was always my dream to do stem, i was so bad at math, i was told, just keep away dummy. i cant even imagine gettin to PhD level and zero.
let me guess, your advisors hated you and told no one to hire you. i heard its pretty common to black ball unliked recent PhDs now.
>>269067
>>269085
dont make my mistake. start half payin attention in school. your grades dont matter, no one will care. focus all your time now on a Real Job you can realistically see yourself doin. and try to network w/ family members in it, to try and line it up before school ends. i didnt do history, but equally dumb, and when i was done i was travolta meme, ok now wat do i do.
>>269087
i did have a passion for. well my dream was to be a pilot. was told not w/ my crap eyes. back up was stem, i couldnt even do grade school math. was never really interested in anything else. picked a crap school crap degree. now i just eeek by, and not in my field of course, couldnt buy a job in it.
>>269086
math degrees were always fairly useless, it's very abstract. Quantitative trading is only for the top few genius people. The only reasonably employable fields in STEM are ones that lead to professional engineering qualifications and computing. STEM is a meme
>>269087
I even have that and got a good degree in computing (and math), but with social anxiety it's still useless. Making solo projects profitable is extremely difficult. Without being a social normalfag everything is just almost impossible
math degrees were always fairly useless, it's very abstract. Quantitative trading is only for the top few genius people. The only reasonably employable fields in STEM are ones that lead to professional engineering qualifications and computing. STEM is a meme
>>269087
I even have that and got a good degree in computing (and math), but with social anxiety it's still useless. Making solo projects profitable is extremely difficult. Without being a social normalfag everything is just almost impossible
>>269088
>your advisors hated you and told no one to hire you.
I am so socially retarded (*) that it took me a long time to figure that out, but yes. Well, I don't know how to be sure about it, but I suspect you are right.
(*) which also explains why my advisors hated me. Moreover, in retrospect the research made me even worse because I was so isolated during the ABD phase that I think I became even more socially retarded.
>>269086
I sent out a lot of job applications for that sort of stuff and if I recall I think out of 200 applications I got 2 interviews (both didn't go anywhere obviously). I had this conversation with my father where he accused me of just sitting on my ass without even applying anywhere, so I showed him my folder of applications and rejections. He went dead silent, and the next day he set me up with my current job at the same place he works and that's where I've been since. Along the way I picked up the 608 cert, and yeah, that's the life story so far.
>your advisors hated you and told no one to hire you.
I am so socially retarded (*) that it took me a long time to figure that out, but yes. Well, I don't know how to be sure about it, but I suspect you are right.
(*) which also explains why my advisors hated me. Moreover, in retrospect the research made me even worse because I was so isolated during the ABD phase that I think I became even more socially retarded.
>>269086
I sent out a lot of job applications for that sort of stuff and if I recall I think out of 200 applications I got 2 interviews (both didn't go anywhere obviously). I had this conversation with my father where he accused me of just sitting on my ass without even applying anywhere, so I showed him my folder of applications and rejections. He went dead silent, and the next day he set me up with my current job at the same place he works and that's where I've been since. Along the way I picked up the 608 cert, and yeah, that's the life story so far.
>>269098
dont feel too bad, i know a couple PhDs, told me same story. advisors didnt like em for some reason. option was weird post doc in some place like middle of no where Uni in North Dakota, or if really despise you, make some calls and you wont even postdoc, and once outside field its over.
dont feel too bad, i know a couple PhDs, told me same story. advisors didnt like em for some reason. option was weird post doc in some place like middle of no where Uni in North Dakota, or if really despise you, make some calls and you wont even postdoc, and once outside field its over.
>>269098
Oh wow! Another "Boohoo, I have autism (implying intellectual disability, including, but not exclusive to, social retardation) and my father, who, by the way, barely managed to reproduce between the ages of 30 and 50, consequently increasing the odds of me inheriting his ailments, and exacerbating what is already an appalling genetic component, exercised nepotism and now I, the biological failure, bottom of the hierarchy, low t male, can afford to exist and be completely ignorant to the fact that I'd be dead if it wasn't for capitalism, nepotism, morality and mercy." post
Oh wow! Another "Boohoo, I have autism (implying intellectual disability, including, but not exclusive to, social retardation) and my father, who, by the way, barely managed to reproduce between the ages of 30 and 50, consequently increasing the odds of me inheriting his ailments, and exacerbating what is already an appalling genetic component, exercised nepotism and now I, the biological failure, bottom of the hierarchy, low t male, can afford to exist and be completely ignorant to the fact that I'd be dead if it wasn't for capitalism, nepotism, morality and mercy." post
>>269088
read the case against education by Bryan Caplan. Unless you're in the top declie of PHD students you will probably have a negative lifetime roi for anything past a bachelors degree
read the case against education by Bryan Caplan. Unless you're in the top declie of PHD students you will probably have a negative lifetime roi for anything past a bachelors degree
Is 21 too late to get a degree? I think it is. I got bullied out of classes in high school and was absent a lot so I didn't get the necessary science and math qualifications to get into STEM, I'd have to do an access course in order to even be able to get into STEM in the first place and if I went through with it I'd graduate well into my mid twenties when all my peers graduated at the age I am now.
>>269145
not even. Go through the system now while you're young before time catches up with you. Normies are a bunch of retards living conveyor-belt lives you shouldn't pay heed to and most people drop out of postsecondary. Just be sure to ask around about the STEM course you want to take because that field is supposedly oversaturated
not even. Go through the system now while you're young before time catches up with you. Normies are a bunch of retards living conveyor-belt lives you shouldn't pay heed to and most people drop out of postsecondary. Just be sure to ask around about the STEM course you want to take because that field is supposedly oversaturated
>>269145
Retarded that you even ask such a question. You're basically still a child and can do whatever you want. Nobody knows what they want to do at 18 anyway; it's good that you didnt waste effort and money doing a random degree then. But you need to think very fucking carefully why you want to get a degree - it should directly lead to some career that you want to do and seems realistically possible. If you just want to work in software or something then it's likely not the best choice, just do certifications
Retarded that you even ask such a question. You're basically still a child and can do whatever you want. Nobody knows what they want to do at 18 anyway; it's good that you didnt waste effort and money doing a random degree then. But you need to think very fucking carefully why you want to get a degree - it should directly lead to some career that you want to do and seems realistically possible. If you just want to work in software or something then it's likely not the best choice, just do certifications
>>269148
>Retarded
no you. what's retarded about 21 yrs old guy asking the fuck he should do in this mad world?
>Retarded
no you. what's retarded about 21 yrs old guy asking the fuck he should do in this mad world?
>>269145
>in high school and was absent a lot so I didn't get the necessary science and math qualifications
There's little connection between attending those classes and exam marks
>in high school and was absent a lot so I didn't get the necessary science and math qualifications
There's little connection between attending those classes and exam marks
>>269165
it wasnt meant to be a personal attack, just tried to show how absurd the question was
it wasnt meant to be a personal attack, just tried to show how absurd the question was
>>270723
I'm warning you guys, some of us are just square pegs trying to push into a circle cavity. Don't waste your time and energy.
Coding is a lane of less resistance for most of us. Try it out.
I'm warning you guys, some of us are just square pegs trying to push into a circle cavity. Don't waste your time and energy.
Coding is a lane of less resistance for most of us. Try it out.
>>264706
>but sooo many who have degrees in hard sciences
what causes this? They cant be only hiring tall chads with high gpa. low gpa in general?
>but sooo many who have degrees in hard sciences
what causes this? They cant be only hiring tall chads with high gpa. low gpa in general?
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>>270800
Simply a lack of demand. In hindsight I was not so retarded in that before I picked my major I researched both the projected job openings and number of graduates for each one. That's primarily why I picked CS on top of it being more sperg-friendly. Even then I wanted to drop out halfway through the degree because I could sense that the industry was in a huge bubble.
Whereas normalfags usually don't do such extensive research, they just assume because the subject is within the STEM meme or relatively challenging that it'll guarantee them a job. And universities don't actually care if they're educating students for jobs that don't exist, their purpose is to churn out as many graduates as possible.
Simply a lack of demand. In hindsight I was not so retarded in that before I picked my major I researched both the projected job openings and number of graduates for each one. That's primarily why I picked CS on top of it being more sperg-friendly. Even then I wanted to drop out halfway through the degree because I could sense that the industry was in a huge bubble.
Whereas normalfags usually don't do such extensive research, they just assume because the subject is within the STEM meme or relatively challenging that it'll guarantee them a job. And universities don't actually care if they're educating students for jobs that don't exist, their purpose is to churn out as many graduates as possible.
>>270838
What I don't get about everyone studying CS is that most of those CS jobs don't require much functional knowledge of how a computer works. Hell, most of the programming jobs don't require studying actual programming. What is programming? You're studying data structures, algorithms and how it interacts with the hardware. Are the hordes of people bashing together JS frameworks using any complex algorithms? No, not really. A lot of this shit is so abstracted and you're just webbing together libraries. I mean it's work, and it's hard work, and it is cognitive work, but much of it has passed out of the territory of computer science and programming.
What I don't get about everyone studying CS is that most of those CS jobs don't require much functional knowledge of how a computer works. Hell, most of the programming jobs don't require studying actual programming. What is programming? You're studying data structures, algorithms and how it interacts with the hardware. Are the hordes of people bashing together JS frameworks using any complex algorithms? No, not really. A lot of this shit is so abstracted and you're just webbing together libraries. I mean it's work, and it's hard work, and it is cognitive work, but much of it has passed out of the territory of computer science and programming.
>>270838
So the life science guys are doomed to just kill themselves or work retail?
Asking this question as a life science grad
So the life science guys are doomed to just kill themselves or work retail?
Asking this question as a life science grad
>>270843
That's what really disappointed me. I found the theoretical CS stuff interesting only to find out that it's not used anymore except in research and a few obscure specialties, and most jobs are just gluing together various frameworks. I think one is better off studying something like statistics or biotech and learning basic programming on top of it, than getting a CS degree or grinding leetcode or whatever.
>>270848
Yes, it's a fucking shame because knowledge of life sciences has endless applications that would actually add value to the world. Especially in agriculture there's so much research and field work that could be done to make farming sustainable, more productive, more humane to livestock, etc. But because the industry, including academia, is subverted by agrochem and tractor corporations the biological/ecological aspect is brushed to the wayside. Doesn't help that now everyone lives in urban areas so very few even consider the prospect of studying or working in agriculture.
That's what really disappointed me. I found the theoretical CS stuff interesting only to find out that it's not used anymore except in research and a few obscure specialties, and most jobs are just gluing together various frameworks. I think one is better off studying something like statistics or biotech and learning basic programming on top of it, than getting a CS degree or grinding leetcode or whatever.
>>270848
Yes, it's a fucking shame because knowledge of life sciences has endless applications that would actually add value to the world. Especially in agriculture there's so much research and field work that could be done to make farming sustainable, more productive, more humane to livestock, etc. But because the industry, including academia, is subverted by agrochem and tractor corporations the biological/ecological aspect is brushed to the wayside. Doesn't help that now everyone lives in urban areas so very few even consider the prospect of studying or working in agriculture.
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>>263220
I am suprised to hear that there is such a low demand for people in chemistry. I didn't know that. I am quite the opposite of you, I am an IT person, but I am useless. I try and try and I never get to anything, despite being wholeheartly and genuinly interested in the subject. I wish I wasn't as stupid as I am.
I am suprised to hear that there is such a low demand for people in chemistry. I didn't know that. I am quite the opposite of you, I am an IT person, but I am useless. I try and try and I never get to anything, despite being wholeheartly and genuinly interested in the subject. I wish I wasn't as stupid as I am.
>>271460
>I try and try and I never get to anything
What are you having difficulty with comprehending? Are you self-taught?
>I try and try and I never get to anything
What are you having difficulty with comprehending? Are you self-taught?
>>263220
serves you right for getting a normie graduate/doctorial degree. only a normie minded person would do that.
serves you right for getting a normie graduate/doctorial degree. only a normie minded person would do that.
>>263220
All degrees are useless when you're trying to get a job in order to contribute to a ruined society you don't belong in
All degrees are useless when you're trying to get a job in order to contribute to a ruined society you don't belong in
>>264706
>I studied computer science and now do programming for mid-tier pay. It may sound strange, but I regret it and wish I had studied a less career-centric major. Mainly because I lost all interest in it and now barely have motivation to do my job. Also, I think the whole tech sector is way overvalued, with the sciences such as chemistry perhaps being undervalued. But maybe I'd think differently if I didn't have a secure job (for the time being at least).
This. Tech is oversaturated with people who get told to "learn2code bro" and overestimate their intelligence and/or interest in the field. I learned a little bit of comp sci because I like computers/have an internet addiction, but ultimately I found it was sort of pointless
>I studied computer science and now do programming for mid-tier pay. It may sound strange, but I regret it and wish I had studied a less career-centric major. Mainly because I lost all interest in it and now barely have motivation to do my job. Also, I think the whole tech sector is way overvalued, with the sciences such as chemistry perhaps being undervalued. But maybe I'd think differently if I didn't have a secure job (for the time being at least).
This. Tech is oversaturated with people who get told to "learn2code bro" and overestimate their intelligence and/or interest in the field. I learned a little bit of comp sci because I like computers/have an internet addiction, but ultimately I found it was sort of pointless
>Has a Chemistry Degree
>Isn't a Psychotic Meth Dealer
Two options,
Rope yourself
Or Become Heisenberg
>Isn't a Psychotic Meth Dealer
Two options,
Rope yourself
Or Become Heisenberg
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