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So, it's second of January 2023, and I'm 28 years old, soon to be 29, and I'm starting to wonder why, I don't know if it's the closing of my 20s that finally start to sinking in, a lot of dumb decision, wrong ideas and overall stupid behavior in my part since I was a little kid. I'm a NEET right now, but thing are coming to a close to me, parents are pushing me to do something about it, but I don't want to spent my years as wageslave, I truly don't know, and I'm full of regrets about things, I'm starting planning to rope myself at my 29th birthday, it wasn't a bad life, but not great either, wish I was born different like the normal guys that I saw when I grow up and in college, they seems to work through thing with such effortless, and I struggle a lot of emotional things, my mother is bipolar and I have a uncle that suffer from mental illness too, maybe I do have a mental illness, don't know, just want peace of mind and spirit, life is struggle mentally and emotionally for me, even though I have a comfortable life, and I do acknowledge that a lot of dumb shit that happen to me was my fault. I truly don't know, I wish to finally have a understand of why I have that life I have and why I'm the way that I'm.
Just a random rambling, need to get it out.
Just a random rambling, need to get it out.
easymodo gains:
>get a high level first aid ticket, the highest possible w/o frontline responder education
>do a gov sponsored get-work program, plead the dep to get in (may not exist in your country)
>work for a year minimum at your parent's place to save up $15-20k
>jump jobs to a better option ASAP because you never get raises in the modern e-con-omy
>do an eazymodo degree in trades or something else with market demand sponsored by the government
Getting into the market isn't hard. Getting ahead is the problem
>get a high level first aid ticket, the highest possible w/o frontline responder education
>do a gov sponsored get-work program, plead the dep to get in (may not exist in your country)
>work for a year minimum at your parent's place to save up $15-20k
>jump jobs to a better option ASAP because you never get raises in the modern e-con-omy
>do an eazymodo degree in trades or something else with market demand sponsored by the government
Getting into the market isn't hard. Getting ahead is the problem
>>270284
I don't think that much about work and stuff, I really don't care anymore, I worked before and didn't like it at all, what's bugging me is that fact I not cut out like the other dude I saw back in the university, like that had such a easy time with everything, like life was a easy walk, and I wonder why they are that way and I'm not, what went wrong.
I don't think that much about work and stuff, I really don't care anymore, I worked before and didn't like it at all, what's bugging me is that fact I not cut out like the other dude I saw back in the university, like that had such a easy time with everything, like life was a easy walk, and I wonder why they are that way and I'm not, what went wrong.
>>270285
life doesn't treat everyone the same, and by that I mean it turns into hell for non-normals really quickly after a certain age and even for rest of the people who have it much easier it's just torture. not to sound all airy-fairy here but I feel like the greatest misfortune of people like us was not to be born in like 50 years later where all jobs are done by machines and everyone gets universal basic income. most economies in the world cannot sustain NEETs and it's really horrible but it's the reality of life. not the wiz you're responding, by the way.
life doesn't treat everyone the same, and by that I mean it turns into hell for non-normals really quickly after a certain age and even for rest of the people who have it much easier it's just torture. not to sound all airy-fairy here but I feel like the greatest misfortune of people like us was not to be born in like 50 years later where all jobs are done by machines and everyone gets universal basic income. most economies in the world cannot sustain NEETs and it's really horrible but it's the reality of life. not the wiz you're responding, by the way.
>>270301
>50 years later where all jobs are done by machines and everyone gets universal basic income
You are really this optimistic? Absurd, there is no way that will happen. People are only falling further into poverty and welfare states are becoming even more unsustainable as demographics ages. Most voters will be old people who will force young people to slave for their pensions
>50 years later where all jobs are done by machines and everyone gets universal basic income
You are really this optimistic? Absurd, there is no way that will happen. People are only falling further into poverty and welfare states are becoming even more unsustainable as demographics ages. Most voters will be old people who will force young people to slave for their pensions
>>270282
If youre in a neetbux country you should get diagnosed with something. Even if you dont consider yourself mentally ill you could be or should pretend to be
If youre in a neetbux country you should get diagnosed with something. Even if you dont consider yourself mentally ill you could be or should pretend to be
Seems that people have different perspectives when dealing with the cards they have been dealt. They take the load on themselves as if it were their own fault for everything, or object about how everythong is hopeless because existance is deterministic and most things are out of our reach.
I believe that most people fall in the first group, and i believe that this is because pessismism is sort of regressive, pessimism is the result of our human selfawareness. So people keep with the "its my fault" because that way they can lie to themselves that theres still hope because they can change themselves.
Im a an extremely pessimistic guy, and if it were me everything would be okay around the world, but guess what, after doing a retrospective, im not taking one ounce of responsability for anything that has happened to me, and if i try and get success, none of that success will be from some kind of effort from my part, it will be because i was allowed to have success, this reality, this existance, this luck we live in just ALLOWED me to have a better state, but what i do, that doesnt mean shit.
Also i believe that culture has something to do with your interpretations. Americans are usually hyperoptimistic people that try to hold that philosophy even in when they get screwed by everyone in their country, im from a third world shithole where more than half the population are poor, not a place to be happyrino
I believe that most people fall in the first group, and i believe that this is because pessismism is sort of regressive, pessimism is the result of our human selfawareness. So people keep with the "its my fault" because that way they can lie to themselves that theres still hope because they can change themselves.
Im a an extremely pessimistic guy, and if it were me everything would be okay around the world, but guess what, after doing a retrospective, im not taking one ounce of responsability for anything that has happened to me, and if i try and get success, none of that success will be from some kind of effort from my part, it will be because i was allowed to have success, this reality, this existance, this luck we live in just ALLOWED me to have a better state, but what i do, that doesnt mean shit.
Also i believe that culture has something to do with your interpretations. Americans are usually hyperoptimistic people that try to hold that philosophy even in when they get screwed by everyone in their country, im from a third world shithole where more than half the population are poor, not a place to be happyrino
I was a in a retail job for about five years, and even though it wasn't that bad, the job I got afterwards was much better. The former was a job where I stood up all day doing pretty easy work, but I couldn't sit down or look at my phone to pass the time. The latter was a job where I could sit down, look at my phone, learn, etc. I lost that job though, and have been jobless for about six months now. Like you, I know wageslaving sucks because it's low pay, bad conditions that'll end up crippling you later in life, and in my case, we don't have any real sick days. If I were to get a full time retail or other low skill, low paying job, it would be worse. At least the place I was at was pretty chill. Like you, things that seemed effortless was insurmountable to me. I literally couldn't finish college after seven years of trying. We all want to live a comfortable life, but it just seems some people won't be able to get it even if they fight tooth and nail to get it.
Unlike you, I don't have much regrets. The things I wanted as a child have been fulfilled, and now I'm working on the things I want to accomplish as an adult. Even if I fail at life, I can die or do something else knowing that my own personal goals were met. Hopefully I'll either succeed in my own endeavors than I plan now, or I can find something else to do.
Unlike you, I don't have much regrets. The things I wanted as a child have been fulfilled, and now I'm working on the things I want to accomplish as an adult. Even if I fail at life, I can die or do something else knowing that my own personal goals were met. Hopefully I'll either succeed in my own endeavors than I plan now, or I can find something else to do.
>>270282
It is quite dissappointing how many wiz think about roping instead of punishing some outsider guilty psycho for whatever the world has pushed them into.
It is quite dissappointing how many wiz think about roping instead of punishing some outsider guilty psycho for whatever the world has pushed them into.
>wish I was born different like the normal guys that I saw when I grow up and in college, they seems to work through thing with such effortless, and I struggle a lot of emotional things, my mother is bipolar and I have a uncle that suffer from mental illness too, maybe I do have a mental illness, don't know, just want peace of mind and spirit, life is struggle mentally and emotionally for me
Romanticizing that normal life, are we? Don't. It's a lie, like the american dream and all that crap. Everyone has their own problems. It's the custom of society that you have to lie to everyone about how happy and satisfied you are with your life.
Think of the fact that if were normal then you'd have to give up things in return for that too: like your hobbies and autism and such. All of that which makes you you. I guarantee you wouldn't last more than a couple of days as a normalfag. We aren't cut out for that life.
Romanticizing that normal life, are we? Don't. It's a lie, like the american dream and all that crap. Everyone has their own problems. It's the custom of society that you have to lie to everyone about how happy and satisfied you are with your life.
Think of the fact that if were normal then you'd have to give up things in return for that too: like your hobbies and autism and such. All of that which makes you you. I guarantee you wouldn't last more than a couple of days as a normalfag. We aren't cut out for that life.
>>270282
Try to live as better as you can and doing the things that you like for as long as possible. That is what I do. My life has been over since a long time ago but what I do now is focus myself in those things that make me feel better and leave the rest out.
I'm also a NEET and older than you and I don't see myself having a regular job and being a wagie, because either I'm not able to do that or because I don't want to. But who cares, I will live the best I can, day by day, and if one day I end up on the streets so be it. I'm so bored about everything in life by this point and I don't expect anything from life so who cares.
Try to live as better as you can and doing the things that you like for as long as possible. That is what I do. My life has been over since a long time ago but what I do now is focus myself in those things that make me feel better and leave the rest out.
I'm also a NEET and older than you and I don't see myself having a regular job and being a wagie, because either I'm not able to do that or because I don't want to. But who cares, I will live the best I can, day by day, and if one day I end up on the streets so be it. I'm so bored about everything in life by this point and I don't expect anything from life so who cares.
>>270327
What people think is the normal life is actually a yuppie life. Having a high paying career, a wife, picket fence and kids is certainly not the norm. Society is broken down pretty well between
>15-20% NEETs
Don't leave their parents, collect disability, lounge around all day
>15-20% permanent minimum wagie wagers/manchildren
Think that 30 year old balding guy working nightfill at the supermarket 24 hours a week. They typically work part time but are basically indistinguishable from the above group, except they have a hobby and a friend or two. They're pretty much all crabs, even if they're too proud to admit it.
>20-25% family wage cucks
Middle aged fat guy that has to work night shift at some chicken processing plant to support his wife and two kids, or some other grueling job like heavy construction or long distance trucking. Doesn't have much of a life outside of work and knows that his shitty job will put him in an early grave
The normalfags with actual good yuppie lives are in the minority.
What people think is the normal life is actually a yuppie life. Having a high paying career, a wife, picket fence and kids is certainly not the norm. Society is broken down pretty well between
>15-20% NEETs
Don't leave their parents, collect disability, lounge around all day
>15-20% permanent minimum wagie wagers/manchildren
Think that 30 year old balding guy working nightfill at the supermarket 24 hours a week. They typically work part time but are basically indistinguishable from the above group, except they have a hobby and a friend or two. They're pretty much all crabs, even if they're too proud to admit it.
>20-25% family wage cucks
Middle aged fat guy that has to work night shift at some chicken processing plant to support his wife and two kids, or some other grueling job like heavy construction or long distance trucking. Doesn't have much of a life outside of work and knows that his shitty job will put him in an early grave
The normalfags with actual good yuppie lives are in the minority.
>>270338
>Middle aged fat guy that has to work night shift at some chicken processing plant to support his wife and two kids
Fucking hell, that's an almost perfect description of my father. I hate it when some people say "the working class doesn't exist anymore", even though its often said by people I largely agree with
>Middle aged fat guy that has to work night shift at some chicken processing plant to support his wife and two kids
Fucking hell, that's an almost perfect description of my father. I hate it when some people say "the working class doesn't exist anymore", even though its often said by people I largely agree with
Being a wagie really sucks. I am 26 and I have been wageslave since 15. Moved out parents house at 19. The ironic thing is I have absolutely nothing to show for it. It was years of struggling for nothing. I dont have a degree, I didn't work my way up or anything, still I work entry level jobs in service industry. It's pretty depressing. I dont recommend waging, it's for those with slave mentality to do this for their whole lives. Seriously it is hell.
I never had stress over succeeding or failing. I just live my own life without caring about anything that happens around me.
If war happens I can always KMS. If I run out of money I can always KMS.
I get neetbucks, so I don't need to work. I've saved up enough to buy all the newest gadgets I want and I have a mediocre car.
I've asked my family for help and now I have a rainy day fund of a few 10k's.
I will also inherit a few 100k's once my grandparents die.
Given no nuclear war starts, why would I give it all up? Just because "society" deems me useless?
I don't care about their opinion. I enjoy my life.
I will never work a day in my life and I will still live a full and fulfilling existence.
I will eat, buy and experience whatever I want with no effort.
I just bought a RTX 4090 graphics card during black friday.
If war happens I can always KMS. If I run out of money I can always KMS.
I get neetbucks, so I don't need to work. I've saved up enough to buy all the newest gadgets I want and I have a mediocre car.
I've asked my family for help and now I have a rainy day fund of a few 10k's.
I will also inherit a few 100k's once my grandparents die.
Given no nuclear war starts, why would I give it all up? Just because "society" deems me useless?
I don't care about their opinion. I enjoy my life.
I will never work a day in my life and I will still live a full and fulfilling existence.
I will eat, buy and experience whatever I want with no effort.
I just bought a RTX 4090 graphics card during black friday.
>>270334
Because the majority of people are normals and you can't avoid them? I've observed them all my life and this happy life shit is only played when there are other normals around them. When they are alone with you they always break down and start complaining about how horrible their life is and how they can't get what they want. Don't believe their perfect life crap they post on social media all the time. They just do that to compete with the other normals.
My brother is the typical normal. He works all the time and the free time he has he must spend taking care of his children because his wife is a lazy good for nothing who can't do anything alone. Plus he always has to nod to everything his wife says, it's pathetic how much of a cuck most normal males are. Did I mention that he also has to go alone with everything his wife pushes on him, like watching romantic movies and doing "high society" things he never enjoyed in his life? Yeah, I'm sure my brother will end up as a spree killer one day. Or at least he will murder his wife. Funny thing is? She isn't even good looking, she is a complete 4/10 typical ugly succubus. Now riddle me this, why would anyone put up with that kind of life.
>>270338
Yeah, people need to stop getting their ideas about what life should be like from movies and anime. Existence has been 90% suffering for most people always.
Because the majority of people are normals and you can't avoid them? I've observed them all my life and this happy life shit is only played when there are other normals around them. When they are alone with you they always break down and start complaining about how horrible their life is and how they can't get what they want. Don't believe their perfect life crap they post on social media all the time. They just do that to compete with the other normals.
My brother is the typical normal. He works all the time and the free time he has he must spend taking care of his children because his wife is a lazy good for nothing who can't do anything alone. Plus he always has to nod to everything his wife says, it's pathetic how much of a cuck most normal males are. Did I mention that he also has to go alone with everything his wife pushes on him, like watching romantic movies and doing "high society" things he never enjoyed in his life? Yeah, I'm sure my brother will end up as a spree killer one day. Or at least he will murder his wife. Funny thing is? She isn't even good looking, she is a complete 4/10 typical ugly succubus. Now riddle me this, why would anyone put up with that kind of life.
>>270338
Yeah, people need to stop getting their ideas about what life should be like from movies and anime. Existence has been 90% suffering for most people always.
>>270397
>Existence has been 90% suffering for most people always.
Not just for people but for animals too. In the wild you are constantly stressed about predators, other animals harassing you, getting enough food to survive, the weather conditions.
You have lice on your skin and fur. There is no 'health care' except other animals who lick or groom your fur.
There are no 'safety nets', you have to go out and hunt food or you die.
If a severe snowstorm hits and you have no food source nearby, you just die a slow agonizing death for a few weeks in -29 degrees celsius surrounded by kilometers of snow.
A middle class western homo sapiens has it so safe and good for a living creature, it's unfathomable. He can insulate himself from the biting cold.
He can press a magic button on a magic device and fresh food appears at his doosteps.
He can pull a magic lever and fresh water comes out of it (at least if he lives in a decent white country).
If he falls sick he just signals another human being through this device and says he wants to live longer, fix me. And whatever health issue bothers him gets fixed.
If the human gets bored, he presses a few magic buttons on his device and millions of TV shows, movies and music appear for his instant consumption.
Life is shit and suffering by definition for everything and everyone who lives.
But life in a developed white country as a person who is at least lower middle class is as close to paradise as a living being can get. You can practically remove all the nasty biological realities of life and exist as a spirit who has to do the bare necessity functions like eating, shitting or peeing to stay alive. Every risk, all the predators, 99,9% of the diseases, all the averse weather conditions or possibility of sudden death go away completely.
>Existence has been 90% suffering for most people always.
Not just for people but for animals too. In the wild you are constantly stressed about predators, other animals harassing you, getting enough food to survive, the weather conditions.
You have lice on your skin and fur. There is no 'health care' except other animals who lick or groom your fur.
There are no 'safety nets', you have to go out and hunt food or you die.
If a severe snowstorm hits and you have no food source nearby, you just die a slow agonizing death for a few weeks in -29 degrees celsius surrounded by kilometers of snow.
A middle class western homo sapiens has it so safe and good for a living creature, it's unfathomable. He can insulate himself from the biting cold.
He can press a magic button on a magic device and fresh food appears at his doosteps.
He can pull a magic lever and fresh water comes out of it (at least if he lives in a decent white country).
If he falls sick he just signals another human being through this device and says he wants to live longer, fix me. And whatever health issue bothers him gets fixed.
If the human gets bored, he presses a few magic buttons on his device and millions of TV shows, movies and music appear for his instant consumption.
Life is shit and suffering by definition for everything and everyone who lives.
But life in a developed white country as a person who is at least lower middle class is as close to paradise as a living being can get. You can practically remove all the nasty biological realities of life and exist as a spirit who has to do the bare necessity functions like eating, shitting or peeing to stay alive. Every risk, all the predators, 99,9% of the diseases, all the averse weather conditions or possibility of sudden death go away completely.
>>270386
I think every man eventually has to get a career no matter what in life. These entry levels jobs feel so pointless to work at, sure its easy and less responsibilities, but shit pay, no respect, and you're fucked if prices keep getting higher for things. Rich people will be fine but the poor will always be fucked over, I wanna eventually be wealthy enough to be left alone comfortably.
I think every man eventually has to get a career no matter what in life. These entry levels jobs feel so pointless to work at, sure its easy and less responsibilities, but shit pay, no respect, and you're fucked if prices keep getting higher for things. Rich people will be fine but the poor will always be fucked over, I wanna eventually be wealthy enough to be left alone comfortably.
>>270405
There are 4 billion men in the world. There will never be 4 billion available careers in the world.
Globally 1-5% of men can be white collar career men. Billions of people work (and must work, since nothing else is available) manual labor.
Then you have another 1-2 billion who are either severely underemployed or just unemployed, because no jobs exist for them.
There are simply too many humans in existence compared to the amount of well paying careers in existence. The ratio of well paying white collar jobs to human beings in existence is something absurd like 1 to 97 or 1 to 99.
Most people on this planet will never get a cushy well paying job. Even those in developing countries who get a desk job at a local bureau will be paid such a pittance wage they can barely survive on it, so they're forced to take bribes to feed their family.
There are 4 billion men in the world. There will never be 4 billion available careers in the world.
Globally 1-5% of men can be white collar career men. Billions of people work (and must work, since nothing else is available) manual labor.
Then you have another 1-2 billion who are either severely underemployed or just unemployed, because no jobs exist for them.
There are simply too many humans in existence compared to the amount of well paying careers in existence. The ratio of well paying white collar jobs to human beings in existence is something absurd like 1 to 97 or 1 to 99.
Most people on this planet will never get a cushy well paying job. Even those in developing countries who get a desk job at a local bureau will be paid such a pittance wage they can barely survive on it, so they're forced to take bribes to feed their family.
>>270403
Animals have no awareness like ours though so it kind of balances out. Most of human suffering comes from our hyper awareness and the worrying and fear that comes with it. Animals at least are blind enough to not care about all the negative stuff, they don't worry like we do, they try their best and if they have to fail and suffer they just put up with it as best they can. Meanwhile us humans get distracted by lots of unnecessary shit and worry about useless and insignificant drama a lot of time.
I understand what you mean with your whole post but that ultra safe white civilization can be suffocating too in a way. It comes with tons of obligations and taking care not to break any rules of society. As a wild man or animal your only priority is your survival and enjoyment at any cost while as a civilized man you have to do lots of stuff that doesn't benefit you but others. So while the natural life is more dangerous and has more suffering in it it also provides you with genuine freedom…unlike society or civilization.
Animals have no awareness like ours though so it kind of balances out. Most of human suffering comes from our hyper awareness and the worrying and fear that comes with it. Animals at least are blind enough to not care about all the negative stuff, they don't worry like we do, they try their best and if they have to fail and suffer they just put up with it as best they can. Meanwhile us humans get distracted by lots of unnecessary shit and worry about useless and insignificant drama a lot of time.
I understand what you mean with your whole post but that ultra safe white civilization can be suffocating too in a way. It comes with tons of obligations and taking care not to break any rules of society. As a wild man or animal your only priority is your survival and enjoyment at any cost while as a civilized man you have to do lots of stuff that doesn't benefit you but others. So while the natural life is more dangerous and has more suffering in it it also provides you with genuine freedom…unlike society or civilization.
>>270409
I think the problem east asian countries have is that the average person is too cognitively intelligent. Hence everyone piling into higher education and competing for the narrow range of careers that pay well, because most are probably cognitively capable of those jobs.
If you go back to the west in the 1960s, it would be absurd to tell people that factory workers shouldn't have good lives because they didn't go to college or don't have a career. Even your average ditch digger or day labourer back then could expect a car, a house and being able to support a wife and two kids. Nowadays it's pretty much baked in that that person should have a shitty, grueling lifestyle.
I think the problem east asian countries have is that the average person is too cognitively intelligent. Hence everyone piling into higher education and competing for the narrow range of careers that pay well, because most are probably cognitively capable of those jobs.
If you go back to the west in the 1960s, it would be absurd to tell people that factory workers shouldn't have good lives because they didn't go to college or don't have a career. Even your average ditch digger or day labourer back then could expect a car, a house and being able to support a wife and two kids. Nowadays it's pretty much baked in that that person should have a shitty, grueling lifestyle.
>>270396
>I will eat, buy and experience whatever I want with no effort.
Wrong, you will be only able to buy with the money you inherit, not more.
No one can do whatever he wants, you can only do what you can (depending on the money you have an other things) or what you are allowed to do.
>I will eat, buy and experience whatever I want with no effort.
Wrong, you will be only able to buy with the money you inherit, not more.
No one can do whatever he wants, you can only do what you can (depending on the money you have an other things) or what you are allowed to do.
>>270411
>Animals have no awareness like ours though
you dont know that
elephants, monkeys grieve over their dead etc etc
>Animals have no awareness like ours though
you dont know that
elephants, monkeys grieve over their dead etc etc
>>270451
1920s-1960s american factory workers happened to be at the only factories in the world due to the world wars. thinking work is the majority of the work available, as they can always make more of it.
first world workers should be importing immigrants/exporting manufactoring to do anything non-cognitive if they wish to keep a first world life style
1920s-1960s american factory workers happened to be at the only factories in the world due to the world wars. thinking work is the majority of the work available, as they can always make more of it.
first world workers should be importing immigrants/exporting manufactoring to do anything non-cognitive if they wish to keep a first world life style
>>270486
I've never published a book, does that mean I am not self aware? Slime molds can perform calculus better and faster than humans, are we all less intelligent than slime molds?
I've never published a book, does that mean I am not self aware? Slime molds can perform calculus better and faster than humans, are we all less intelligent than slime molds?
>>270466
I do know that. In pretty much all mental things humans are superior to other animals. Or do you think those rats are discussing philosophy with each other? Or the elephant is brooding over the conditions of existence?
I do know that. In pretty much all mental things humans are superior to other animals. Or do you think those rats are discussing philosophy with each other? Or the elephant is brooding over the conditions of existence?
>>270496
I'm not sure elephant was the right choice. They express a lot of emotional depth, to the point that they hold a ritual resembling a funeral. They very well could have some concept of existentialism. Hell, even a dog can mourn. I think quite a few animals have some understanding of death past just what is instinctual.
I'm not sure elephant was the right choice. They express a lot of emotional depth, to the point that they hold a ritual resembling a funeral. They very well could have some concept of existentialism. Hell, even a dog can mourn. I think quite a few animals have some understanding of death past just what is instinctual.
>>270494
>books are literature and nothing else
no unfortunately your post even is literature, terrible and dragging down the rest of us.
but you are at least above a squirrel, congrats>>270494
>books are literature and nothing else
no unfortunately your post even is literature, terrible and dragging down the rest of us.
but you are at least above a squirrel, congrats>>270494
>>270499
>existentialism without language
how does a being begin to talk about meaningness without language? i dont doubt they can identify meaningness but the symbolic reassignment aspect seems to require language.
granted they could have communications that we don't understand – but is ritual alone and mourning enough to generate existentialism?
emotional depth without language sounds cool and all, but seems like you still need signs, symbols and language
>existentialism without language
how does a being begin to talk about meaningness without language? i dont doubt they can identify meaningness but the symbolic reassignment aspect seems to require language.
granted they could have communications that we don't understand – but is ritual alone and mourning enough to generate existentialism?
emotional depth without language sounds cool and all, but seems like you still need signs, symbols and language
>>270509
My point being just because it’s not written down, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Whales have shown evidence of culture in their songs, as they whales in certain regions will sing similar songs and modify them to sing to different groups. Dolphins have clicks that are used as names and are reserved for individuals. Animals are very smart.
My point being just because it’s not written down, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Whales have shown evidence of culture in their songs, as they whales in certain regions will sing similar songs and modify them to sing to different groups. Dolphins have clicks that are used as names and are reserved for individuals. Animals are very smart.
>>270512
Names arent enough because they don't have an inherent subjectivity to their meaning, like words do.
Songs, like melodies, aren't enough, due to the same reason.
Note I am not disputing the intelligence of animals, just the level enough to create existentialism.
And yes, just because we have no evidence that animals have symbolic meaning and/or language, doesn't preclude it from existing, I mentioned that
> granted they could have communications that we don't understand
I think our crux falls on how smart are animals really as well as the requirements for understanding and defining the subjectivity of a symbolic system. I think that animals, with a proper system of symbols, maybe could, and that the system of symbols is a requirement that is notably lacking evidence in animal societies.
Names arent enough because they don't have an inherent subjectivity to their meaning, like words do.
Songs, like melodies, aren't enough, due to the same reason.
Note I am not disputing the intelligence of animals, just the level enough to create existentialism.
And yes, just because we have no evidence that animals have symbolic meaning and/or language, doesn't preclude it from existing, I mentioned that
> granted they could have communications that we don't understand
I think our crux falls on how smart are animals really as well as the requirements for understanding and defining the subjectivity of a symbolic system. I think that animals, with a proper system of symbols, maybe could, and that the system of symbols is a requirement that is notably lacking evidence in animal societies.
>>270515
Songs with lyrics need not apply, the song isn't doing the heavy lifting, the lyrics are.
Songs with lyrics need not apply, the song isn't doing the heavy lifting, the lyrics are.
>>270515
I will admit I don't think most animals engage in existentialism or philosphy, but that's largely because 1. they're own existence is not secure, and in my view only those who can count on living will bother contemplating if they should and 2. it provides no use or function, so there is very little pressure to engage in it. There is mild evidence of even religion or sprituality in baboon troops and chimpanzees as they will engage in rituals at waterfalls that seemingly serve no purpose.
>I think that animals, with a proper system of symbols, maybe could, and that the system of symbols is a requirement that is notably lacking evidence in animal societies
I find this view somewhat anthropocentric. Humans have tried many times to teach language to animals, and while some have had incredible successes I think it's akin to trying to teach a hummingbird to swim. Symbols may be necessary for us to understand animals, but they probably don't need them for anything. Orcas and most social mammals can pass down generational knowledge without them.
I will admit I don't think most animals engage in existentialism or philosphy, but that's largely because 1. they're own existence is not secure, and in my view only those who can count on living will bother contemplating if they should and 2. it provides no use or function, so there is very little pressure to engage in it. There is mild evidence of even religion or sprituality in baboon troops and chimpanzees as they will engage in rituals at waterfalls that seemingly serve no purpose.
>I think that animals, with a proper system of symbols, maybe could, and that the system of symbols is a requirement that is notably lacking evidence in animal societies
I find this view somewhat anthropocentric. Humans have tried many times to teach language to animals, and while some have had incredible successes I think it's akin to trying to teach a hummingbird to swim. Symbols may be necessary for us to understand animals, but they probably don't need them for anything. Orcas and most social mammals can pass down generational knowledge without them.
I'm nearing my 30s too, haven't worked since I was a teenager. I've been on neetbux for the past few years since I'm too disabled to work manual labor and white-collar jobs are impossible for me to get. Nobody wants to hire a retard with no social skills to work at an office with them. My resume is also blank as I have no work experience besides that one job, which was part-time and lasted only a year.
All my life, it's been a struggle to do basic things that normies take for granted, like driving a car. I don't know if it will get better for me, but I still have hope my neet days will come to an end someday. Maybe it's pure delusion on my part. All I know is that this lifestyle really sucks.
All my life, it's been a struggle to do basic things that normies take for granted, like driving a car. I don't know if it will get better for me, but I still have hope my neet days will come to an end someday. Maybe it's pure delusion on my part. All I know is that this lifestyle really sucks.
>>270282
Why not just join the military? It's better than typical wageslaving and nobody will really care how much of a loser you are.
I promise you it's not that hard; the minimum level of physical fitness needed to stay in is laughably low.
Why not just join the military? It's better than typical wageslaving and nobody will really care how much of a loser you are.
I promise you it's not that hard; the minimum level of physical fitness needed to stay in is laughably low.
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>>270622
Yes. When I went to Parris Island a lot of the guys in my platoon were actually in their late 20s with some even being in their early 30s.
Unless you're deadset on being infantry for some reason (not gonna' lie, that'll be pretty hard unless you're in good shape but on the flipside there's nothing cooler than being a grunt) you can just get a sweet POG job where you work in an office/warehouse/shop for like 5-7 hours a day before fucking off and doing whatever in your room for the rest of the day (plus long weekends for various holidays every fucking month). The military's so desperate for recruits nowadays they're literally accepting any warm bodies they can get and giving HUGE bonuses to everyone who joins, especially if you have a high ASVAB (ie general intelligence) test score; last I heard the army is giving like a $50k+ enlistment bonus to anyone with a high ASVAB (it's easy to ace it without studying unless you have normgroid IQ).
Like, not to sound like a recruiter here, but this shit is ridiculously fucking easy - even for a "hard" branch like the marines. Hell, if you join the air force you can practically just live like a NEET if you want. Added bonus of being a "veteran" once you get out (instant social status upgrade) so normies won't look down on you and give you shit anymore.
Only downside is there's no sympathy for people with mental illnesses here so you need to keep all that shit top secret. Don't ever mention it to anyone, especially your recruiter. I'm still depressed, not going to lie, but it's much better and a lot more manageable than it was before.
Yes. When I went to Parris Island a lot of the guys in my platoon were actually in their late 20s with some even being in their early 30s.
Unless you're deadset on being infantry for some reason (not gonna' lie, that'll be pretty hard unless you're in good shape but on the flipside there's nothing cooler than being a grunt) you can just get a sweet POG job where you work in an office/warehouse/shop for like 5-7 hours a day before fucking off and doing whatever in your room for the rest of the day (plus long weekends for various holidays every fucking month). The military's so desperate for recruits nowadays they're literally accepting any warm bodies they can get and giving HUGE bonuses to everyone who joins, especially if you have a high ASVAB (ie general intelligence) test score; last I heard the army is giving like a $50k+ enlistment bonus to anyone with a high ASVAB (it's easy to ace it without studying unless you have normgroid IQ).
Like, not to sound like a recruiter here, but this shit is ridiculously fucking easy - even for a "hard" branch like the marines. Hell, if you join the air force you can practically just live like a NEET if you want. Added bonus of being a "veteran" once you get out (instant social status upgrade) so normies won't look down on you and give you shit anymore.
Only downside is there's no sympathy for people with mental illnesses here so you need to keep all that shit top secret. Don't ever mention it to anyone, especially your recruiter. I'm still depressed, not going to lie, but it's much better and a lot more manageable than it was before.
>>270623
there's a cybersecurity job posting here in leafland I was considering. I just figured they stopped hiring after early 20's
>they also wouldn't take me last time because of their autistic reference system which excludes almost everyone you know
there's a cybersecurity job posting here in leafland I was considering. I just figured they stopped hiring after early 20's
>they also wouldn't take me last time because of their autistic reference system which excludes almost everyone you know
>>270624
How does that work? Do you need a reference from someone already in the military to get in? That's fucking gay.
Cybersecurity is a great gig though; that's the one I enlisted for but I ended up getting disqualified due to having foreign relatives living abroad.
How does that work? Do you need a reference from someone already in the military to get in? That's fucking gay.
Cybersecurity is a great gig though; that's the one I enlisted for but I ended up getting disqualified due to having foreign relatives living abroad.
>>270625
you need about five references. They can't be your friends or family, they have to be authority figures like your boss or a professor. I didn't have enough references to do the application.
The can army is notoriously dysfunctional anyways. Leddit bitches about it every time it gets raised
you need about five references. They can't be your friends or family, they have to be authority figures like your boss or a professor. I didn't have enough references to do the application.
The can army is notoriously dysfunctional anyways. Leddit bitches about it every time it gets raised
>>270338
>15-20% permanent minimum wagie wagers/manchildren
Thats me. What stings is my cousins all seem to be doing really well and are generally happy people. Having to be around them feels humiliating at this point.
>15-20% permanent minimum wagie wagers/manchildren
Thats me. What stings is my cousins all seem to be doing really well and are generally happy people. Having to be around them feels humiliating at this point.
>>270282
SORRY, SORRY, SORRY… But this:
>many things happened to me I acknowledge to be my fault
This is something never said by a wiz but by failed normies.
What do you regard as your fault exactly?
SORRY, SORRY, SORRY… But this:
>many things happened to me I acknowledge to be my fault
This is something never said by a wiz but by failed normies.
What do you regard as your fault exactly?
>>270927
>Everybody wages but me
Just realize that this is never dependant on you. We wagecuck or neet our lived away as much as the world lets us to do. We cannot escape this "welfare" crapsack system
>Everybody wages but me
Just realize that this is never dependant on you. We wagecuck or neet our lived away as much as the world lets us to do. We cannot escape this "welfare" crapsack system