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>As a kid everyone thought I was a good boy with a bright future but then….
Holy crap this is accurate.
Holy crap this is accurate.
Many parents don't do anything to make their kids develop actual confidence and self-esteem but instead they give them these hollow compliments when they are obedient or doing something anyone else does. The same type of parents usually don't have any social intelligence and don't realize that you're growing up to be a social retard.
You just grow up with illusions because the adults in your life were too incompetent to prepare you for the world and at the same time you relax on these hollow compliments because you have "talent" and "potential" while not actually developing any skills. In the meantime the people who have developed confidence just do stuff and get good at it while you end up being a lonely weirdo with no personality at some point.
Successful people or people with friends, relationship and personalities don't have to be intelligent wonderchild types but they have enough self-esteem to do things and get good at them while you wasted all that time swimming in illusions and doing dumb shit and in the worst case you become a hateful weirdo or drug addict, you might even get grifted by some doctors in the process.
The things that are required to achieve anything in life is what you ultimately lack and even if you have actual talent in something it still won't get you anywhere because you have no confidence, social skills or likeability.
Not saying life is over but the clocks ticking and times working against us.
You just grow up with illusions because the adults in your life were too incompetent to prepare you for the world and at the same time you relax on these hollow compliments because you have "talent" and "potential" while not actually developing any skills. In the meantime the people who have developed confidence just do stuff and get good at it while you end up being a lonely weirdo with no personality at some point.
Successful people or people with friends, relationship and personalities don't have to be intelligent wonderchild types but they have enough self-esteem to do things and get good at them while you wasted all that time swimming in illusions and doing dumb shit and in the worst case you become a hateful weirdo or drug addict, you might even get grifted by some doctors in the process.
The things that are required to achieve anything in life is what you ultimately lack and even if you have actual talent in something it still won't get you anywhere because you have no confidence, social skills or likeability.
Not saying life is over but the clocks ticking and times working against us.
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>>271521
Bloody hell this is hitting me a bit too close for comfort
Bloody hell this is hitting me a bit too close for comfort
>>271512
I'm only 26 so this will probably change as I age but most succubi older than me just see me as some none threatening kid. And to be quite honest it's not that bad as they treat me like their own kid. It makes work a lot more easier on me as a lot of my co-workers are older succubi, but people my own age just tolerate me there.
I'm only 26 so this will probably change as I age but most succubi older than me just see me as some none threatening kid. And to be quite honest it's not that bad as they treat me like their own kid. It makes work a lot more easier on me as a lot of my co-workers are older succubi, but people my own age just tolerate me there.
people thought I was a smart kid with a bright future but I never believed it, and based on my life right now I was definitely not bright
>>271512
>born as a product to make two people happy, or as an accident because people love sex
>grow up to be forced to obey their rules because actually dealing with a child is annoying, so your existence is minimized as much as possible or your beaten due to parents' annoyance with your normal child behaviors
>don't learn any useful skills, have stunted emotional intelligence, and be completely oblivious to the way of life because parents completely neglected you all for the sake of muh sex or muh baby
>eventually grow up to be an adult who nobody cares about anymore because parents and normalfags in general are like mini cult leaders who all believe that your existence should benefit them in everyway possible
>born as a product to make two people happy, or as an accident because people love sex
>grow up to be forced to obey their rules because actually dealing with a child is annoying, so your existence is minimized as much as possible or your beaten due to parents' annoyance with your normal child behaviors
>don't learn any useful skills, have stunted emotional intelligence, and be completely oblivious to the way of life because parents completely neglected you all for the sake of muh sex or muh baby
>eventually grow up to be an adult who nobody cares about anymore because parents and normalfags in general are like mini cult leaders who all believe that your existence should benefit them in everyway possible
I had the smart-talented-good mannered kid treatment too. growing up with this has side effects as others have pointed out but for me the most interesting thing is realizing how clueless normal people are. everyone I met through out my teenage years thought I was on a path of success when in fact I was headed for a total disaster. it is reminiscent of cliche comments made by people who knew serial killers "he was the nicest person we never see this coming" etc. I mean people are really retarded they cannot read anything or anyone. be clean looking and wear glasses and people will think you are some kind of math wizard or a savant because that's what the brilliant people look like in movies.
everyone just thought i was a normal person because i look completely normal.
i just always been empty inside with no goals just a dead person so obviously ive never been normal, just look it
i just always been empty inside with no goals just a dead person so obviously ive never been normal, just look it
>>271583
same guy
one time in high school i stole from the school cafeteria and the principal and security guard before they dumped out my bag ro check if i was stealing said "i really don't think this man took anything" because i look super innocent and nice. but then they found out i stole lik5 items.
same guy
one time in high school i stole from the school cafeteria and the principal and security guard before they dumped out my bag ro check if i was stealing said "i really don't think this man took anything" because i look super innocent and nice. but then they found out i stole lik5 items.
totally relatable
so sad when you was locked up in a shithole for external reasons and then just ended up a social retard, while you actually had more capabilities then most of the people you knew.
so sad when you was locked up in a shithole for external reasons and then just ended up a social retard, while you actually had more capabilities then most of the people you knew.
>>271577
My parents were drug and alcoholic abusers, as well as my dad's older age gave me autism. So yes, parents are to blame when it comes to being a fuck-up for most people.
My parents were drug and alcoholic abusers, as well as my dad's older age gave me autism. So yes, parents are to blame when it comes to being a fuck-up for most people.
>>271597
To be fair, a man's old age usually doesn't cause any problems but their substance abuse might have caused problems. And you're right most of the time the parents are to blame because their parenting affects how you handle situations and more.
To be fair, a man's old age usually doesn't cause any problems but their substance abuse might have caused problems. And you're right most of the time the parents are to blame because their parenting affects how you handle situations and more.
>>271599
Even if you discount the whole nature vs nurture shit your parents gave you your genetic material as well. They are quite literally to blame for your life. I don't get why people do this stupid shit, if you were walking down the street and some guy's dog bites you, you blame the owner not the dog. But for some reason people are an exception and they should just be great even if they have been given shit genes and raised like an animal.
Even if you discount the whole nature vs nurture shit your parents gave you your genetic material as well. They are quite literally to blame for your life. I don't get why people do this stupid shit, if you were walking down the street and some guy's dog bites you, you blame the owner not the dog. But for some reason people are an exception and they should just be great even if they have been given shit genes and raised like an animal.
>>271599
No, the paternal age of a father matters a lot. Advanced paternal age, defined as being 35 years or older at the time of conception, has been linked to an increased risk of certain birth defects and developmental disorders, including autism. Additionally, older fathers also have a higher risk of causing chromosomal abnormalities in their children, like down syndrome. This is caused by genetic alterations in reproductive cells, known as de novo mutations, and they are more frequent in male reproductive cells.
No, the paternal age of a father matters a lot. Advanced paternal age, defined as being 35 years or older at the time of conception, has been linked to an increased risk of certain birth defects and developmental disorders, including autism. Additionally, older fathers also have a higher risk of causing chromosomal abnormalities in their children, like down syndrome. This is caused by genetic alterations in reproductive cells, known as de novo mutations, and they are more frequent in male reproductive cells.
I was one of those "wonderchilds" I studied my ass off just to please my parents and teachers. I thought I was gonna be someone important and special. I studied while the other kids were playing outside, I studied while other teenagers were dating and having fun. Now a lot of those troublesome kids have families and a good job, while I have nothing to show for all my effort. I trusted my parents, I trusted my teachers, I trusted society… It was all a scam.
What a fucking idiot I was.
What a fucking idiot I was.
>>271605
I do find it funny how with boys it's pretty much a universal rule for the most successful ones to have "bright kid but doesn't pay attention or apply himself" written on his report card. They get the upper end of mediocre grades until they're 17, and then apply themselves through the last year of high school and university. The kids that are studious from early on become NEETs often or burn out.
I do find it funny how with boys it's pretty much a universal rule for the most successful ones to have "bright kid but doesn't pay attention or apply himself" written on his report card. They get the upper end of mediocre grades until they're 17, and then apply themselves through the last year of high school and university. The kids that are studious from early on become NEETs often or burn out.
>>271605
Same, I was "gifted" and very quiet. Some teachers loved me and said I was perfect; some hated me in high school because I didnt "participate" so they quite literally bullied me. No kids bullied me, just teachers; I still have nightmares about it. University went well because I was cunning and careful to avoid group projects and presentations. But I still came out of all this completely useless. Jobs require social skills, I become incoherent in verbal interviews, get shaking/diarrhea/nausea in those situations, am now over 30 years old with no references, and apparently degrees are meaningless now. I worked hard but now I am just left to rot with a mountain of study debt. It would have been better if I never tried at all and just went on neetbux, my hard work is literally entirely a burden.
Same, I was "gifted" and very quiet. Some teachers loved me and said I was perfect; some hated me in high school because I didnt "participate" so they quite literally bullied me. No kids bullied me, just teachers; I still have nightmares about it. University went well because I was cunning and careful to avoid group projects and presentations. But I still came out of all this completely useless. Jobs require social skills, I become incoherent in verbal interviews, get shaking/diarrhea/nausea in those situations, am now over 30 years old with no references, and apparently degrees are meaningless now. I worked hard but now I am just left to rot with a mountain of study debt. It would have been better if I never tried at all and just went on neetbux, my hard work is literally entirely a burden.
>>271621
I hate how I been lied and deceived too. You do everything they tell you and still fucking nothing, nothing will make them happy or satisfied. They don't fucking care, they just want shit from you and nothing else. One day they will all pay, I swear it.
I hate how I been lied and deceived too. You do everything they tell you and still fucking nothing, nothing will make them happy or satisfied. They don't fucking care, they just want shit from you and nothing else. One day they will all pay, I swear it.
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>>271622
>You do everything they tell you and still fucking nothing, nothing will make them happy or satisfied
Because you aren't a chad normalfag. That's what it's really all about. As a kid my mom always told me I was smart and stressed my smartness, so I did what I was told. I went to school every day, and then I went to high school every day, I did "extracurriculars" like learning an instrument and a language, I was in the high school robotics team. Then I went to college like I was told to and got a degree. And after all that I found a pretty good job, in a science field, that was fairly high paying, and yet she still called me a loser cause I wasn't out having sex and partying. That was when I knew that none of it had mattered. I will never get her approval because she will only approve of some social butterfly chad, and that's just not who I am. So nothing I can do will ever impress her, nothing will satisfy her, I am incapable of being that good son she wanted so desperately.
>You do everything they tell you and still fucking nothing, nothing will make them happy or satisfied
Because you aren't a chad normalfag. That's what it's really all about. As a kid my mom always told me I was smart and stressed my smartness, so I did what I was told. I went to school every day, and then I went to high school every day, I did "extracurriculars" like learning an instrument and a language, I was in the high school robotics team. Then I went to college like I was told to and got a degree. And after all that I found a pretty good job, in a science field, that was fairly high paying, and yet she still called me a loser cause I wasn't out having sex and partying. That was when I knew that none of it had mattered. I will never get her approval because she will only approve of some social butterfly chad, and that's just not who I am. So nothing I can do will ever impress her, nothing will satisfy her, I am incapable of being that good son she wanted so desperately.
>>271627
>I did "extracurriculars" like learning an instrument and a language, I was in the high school robotics team. Then I went to college like I was told to and got a degree. And after all that I found a pretty good job, in a science field, that was fairly high paying
>she will only approve of some social butterfly chad
that's what you are
>I did "extracurriculars" like learning an instrument and a language, I was in the high school robotics team. Then I went to college like I was told to and got a degree. And after all that I found a pretty good job, in a science field, that was fairly high paying
>she will only approve of some social butterfly chad
that's what you are
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>>271628
That's real fucking rich bud.
That's real fucking rich bud.
>>271512
Maybe ADHD is the issue.
When I'm on amphetamines I can concentrate on cleaning my room, watching anime or fapping. Maybe it is the answer.
Maybe ADHD is the issue.
When I'm on amphetamines I can concentrate on cleaning my room, watching anime or fapping. Maybe it is the answer.
>>271631
Drugs can do wonders if you pick the ones that fit your idiosyncrasies. My life has gotten way better after i started smoking pot (in moderation, when i do too much i get lazy), I lost weight, feel more inclined to exercise, eat less, and overall feel better.
Drugs can do wonders if you pick the ones that fit your idiosyncrasies. My life has gotten way better after i started smoking pot (in moderation, when i do too much i get lazy), I lost weight, feel more inclined to exercise, eat less, and overall feel better.
>>271631
>here we go with the envious retarded "youre a normalfag because you did more than me" type post and this is coming from a guy who dropped out of school
This. I would be miserable and a wizard whether or not I had a good job.
>here we go with the envious retarded "youre a normalfag because you did more than me" type post and this is coming from a guy who dropped out of school
This. I would be miserable and a wizard whether or not I had a good job.
>>271512
Always got along better with adults and never had friends my age. Became depressed and started neglecting my school work because vidya was the only thing that made me happy. After high school, I realized it was pretty much over for me. I could never progress past the "acquaintance" stage of a relationship for obvious reasons. What would a guy who spends all his time in his room be able to talk about with normals who spend 90% of their time with others?
Always got along better with adults and never had friends my age. Became depressed and started neglecting my school work because vidya was the only thing that made me happy. After high school, I realized it was pretty much over for me. I could never progress past the "acquaintance" stage of a relationship for obvious reasons. What would a guy who spends all his time in his room be able to talk about with normals who spend 90% of their time with others?
>>271640
nope, lol. you just never had a job. it often happens that a universally disliked employee is kept just because he can do shit others can't
nope, lol. you just never had a job. it often happens that a universally disliked employee is kept just because he can do shit others can't
>>271640
I'm an embalmer and certified in cremation, and it's a fairly decent job. I barely have any social interaction other than with the funeral director and other employees but it's obvious that something is off with me I'm sure.
I'm an embalmer and certified in cremation, and it's a fairly decent job. I barely have any social interaction other than with the funeral director and other employees but it's obvious that something is off with me I'm sure.
>>271642
jumping through the hoops of higher education and getting hired are a high enough bar when you are dysfunctional
i don't expect normals to understand this as it's natural to them.
jumping through the hoops of higher education and getting hired are a high enough bar when you are dysfunctional
i don't expect normals to understand this as it's natural to them.
>>271521
Who cares, society sucks, drop out. Good parents protect their childs form the terror and horror of social life.
Who cares, society sucks, drop out. Good parents protect their childs form the terror and horror of social life.
>>271651
>Good parents protect their childs form the terror and horror of social life.
Yeah right, "good parents" don't prepare you for life and shelter you like a manbaby until you're a social retard who can't get shit done.
>Good parents protect their childs form the terror and horror of social life.
Yeah right, "good parents" don't prepare you for life and shelter you like a manbaby until you're a social retard who can't get shit done.
What's the problem? Still sorrowed by normie standards?
They project the damn against us in their deranged unconscious hypocrisy
They project the damn against us in their deranged unconscious hypocrisy
>>271600
and yea, dont get me started on my crap genetics. my mom was just standard shy succubus, my dad was a mental case belonged locked in a mental hospital.
should of just adopted a goldfish
and yea, dont get me started on my crap genetics. my mom was just standard shy succubus, my dad was a mental case belonged locked in a mental hospital.
should of just adopted a goldfish
>>271637
Funny enough my parents remind me a lot of chris chans parents, my dad was just an emotionally absent boomer and my mother was a hypochondriac helicopter parent who prevented me from growing up and kept interfering with everything I did even socially.
My mother was also in her mid 30s when I was born so that most likely fucked my genetics as well.
Funny enough my parents remind me a lot of chris chans parents, my dad was just an emotionally absent boomer and my mother was a hypochondriac helicopter parent who prevented me from growing up and kept interfering with everything I did even socially.
My mother was also in her mid 30s when I was born so that most likely fucked my genetics as well.
>>271512
true except i'm not creepy, i'm just incredibly based compared to normies and others.
true except i'm not creepy, i'm just incredibly based compared to normies and others.
>live in a society filled with tribalistic cretins
>sociability matters more than academic achievements
what the hell how was i supposed to know.
t. socially inept dullard.
>sociability matters more than academic achievements
what the hell how was i supposed to know.
t. socially inept dullard.
>>272397
Sam Hyde has always seriously explained why college is a scam. His dad spent a quarter million on his college education for nothing.
He even talked about this on his infowars appearance, he and Jay Dyer made good points against college - Here at 7:10
Sam Hyde has always seriously explained why college is a scam. His dad spent a quarter million on his college education for nothing.
He even talked about this on his infowars appearance, he and Jay Dyer made good points against college - Here at 7:10
>>272406
And honestly this particular bit, that he has done a few times, and personally, I love, but I think that going to college is advisable for most poor working people, and unless you're middle middle class or uppre middle class, then his financial advise is not exactly appropriate.
If you do think about going to college, before you pull the trigger, I'd greatly advise looking into the earning potential for your possible major. Don't spend a ton to major in underwater basket weaving is a true message amongst the somewhat poor financial advise. And note that even though Sam Hyde shits on degrees, colleges, he has a very expensive degree himself ala Daddy
And honestly this particular bit, that he has done a few times, and personally, I love, but I think that going to college is advisable for most poor working people, and unless you're middle middle class or uppre middle class, then his financial advise is not exactly appropriate.
If you do think about going to college, before you pull the trigger, I'd greatly advise looking into the earning potential for your possible major. Don't spend a ton to major in underwater basket weaving is a true message amongst the somewhat poor financial advise. And note that even though Sam Hyde shits on degrees, colleges, he has a very expensive degree himself ala Daddy
>>272406
I can't even watch him although the ted talk was good. It isn't funny, it's uncomfortable and ADHD dicking
I can't even watch him although the ted talk was good. It isn't funny, it's uncomfortable and ADHD dicking
>>272409
The Ted talk is prime. If you like that one, watch the one with him reviewing people's three most inspiring events.
>>271604
While do novo mutations are important, another thing is that men who form families late in life tend to be fuckups.
While do novo mutations are important, another thing is that men who form families late in life tend to be fuckups.
>>271512
being a "smart kid" = youre quiet and arent running around constantly
teachers and parents love those traits, but its the social equivalent of castration
being a "smart kid" = youre quiet and arent running around constantly
teachers and parents love those traits, but its the social equivalent of castration
i remember in 2nd grade, we had a star system for behavior, and i was so close to getting so many stars i go off the chart.
and all the kids were acting up rowdy, and i was sitting with my hands folded like a young sheldon, and the succubi at my table were saying i was going to break the record, and one succubus said "he's smiling"
but the teacher didnt notice, my rock, amidst the storm. my greatest act of good behavior didnt earn the final star
and all the kids were acting up rowdy, and i was sitting with my hands folded like a young sheldon, and the succubi at my table were saying i was going to break the record, and one succubus said "he's smiling"
but the teacher didnt notice, my rock, amidst the storm. my greatest act of good behavior didnt earn the final star
>>273348
Yes, but that is when seen from a cattle mindset. Please stop talking like failed normies, you upset me
Yes, but that is when seen from a cattle mindset. Please stop talking like failed normies, you upset me
>>273369
I mean I myself have this personality, and I think it is preferable to normie beastliness. but it seems ironic to call the rowdy ones "cattle" and the passive docile ones not. as thats literally the traits of cattle and why its used as an insult. normies are more like the wolves.
I mean I myself have this personality, and I think it is preferable to normie beastliness. but it seems ironic to call the rowdy ones "cattle" and the passive docile ones not. as thats literally the traits of cattle and why its used as an insult. normies are more like the wolves.
>>273348
I always assumed looking back that it was a GIGANTIC normie shittest. The idea is that normies will outright lie about what they want you to do, and if you're a normie, you can pick up on the nonverbal cues to deduce that they want you to do the opposite, and you'll be rewarded for that. But if you're not a normie, you'll fail their little shittest and they'll know you're an autist and thereby can outcast you.
I always assumed looking back that it was a GIGANTIC normie shittest. The idea is that normies will outright lie about what they want you to do, and if you're a normie, you can pick up on the nonverbal cues to deduce that they want you to do the opposite, and you'll be rewarded for that. But if you're not a normie, you'll fail their little shittest and they'll know you're an autist and thereby can outcast you.
>>273456
Might as well blame one's grandparents for rising such parents, or one's grand grand parents for rising such grandparents and so forth.
Might as well blame one's grandparents for rising such parents, or one's grand grand parents for rising such grandparents and so forth.
>>273531
Exactly, this is the path to enlightenment. There is no blame, for we have no free will.
Exactly, this is the path to enlightenment. There is no blame, for we have no free will.
>>271512
not me. when i was kid, everyone hated me. when i was a teenager, everyone hated me. when i was in my 20s, everyone hated me. now i'm 31 and everyone still hates me.
not me. when i was kid, everyone hated me. when i was a teenager, everyone hated me. when i was in my 20s, everyone hated me. now i'm 31 and everyone still hates me.
>>271521
Sometimes I think my mother did this on purpose because she was tired and didn't have the patience to help me develop those skills.
Fucking christians and their obsession against abortion. I could be enjoying the void right now but instead I'm a miserable failure thanks to their fucking gaslighting tactics.
Sometimes I think my mother did this on purpose because she was tired and didn't have the patience to help me develop those skills.
Fucking christians and their obsession against abortion. I could be enjoying the void right now but instead I'm a miserable failure thanks to their fucking gaslighting tactics.
>>273548
>enjoying the void
I'm sure it's sarcastic, but if not, this is literally retarded.
Also, you can enjoy your position, even if it's objectively awful. I recommend TWIM Lovingkindness meditation.
>enjoying the void
I'm sure it's sarcastic, but if not, this is literally retarded.
Also, you can enjoy your position, even if it's objectively awful. I recommend TWIM Lovingkindness meditation.
>>271521
I think this is a problem which started with boomers and got worse with each new generation, basically they only raise their kids to be obedient but dont teach them about any sort of moral values they never discipline their kids to aspire to greatness or teach them any life lessons about how to actually live, they can only give shitty half hearted compliments to bolster their child's self worth until it pops like a bubble when they realise they don't actually know anything and they have been lied to their whole life…
I think this is a problem which started with boomers and got worse with each new generation, basically they only raise their kids to be obedient but dont teach them about any sort of moral values they never discipline their kids to aspire to greatness or teach them any life lessons about how to actually live, they can only give shitty half hearted compliments to bolster their child's self worth until it pops like a bubble when they realise they don't actually know anything and they have been lied to their whole life…
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Sometimes I think "what chance did I really have of being brought up functioning", and the odd were just against me. I think the only way I could have survived my situation and be socially capable would be if I was gay. But I'm not and basically every social factor is a complete nil in me. I feel adequate and even pleased in my academic and professional accomplishments, in my personal hobbies and interests, but I just fail on every social account. No friends, hate my family, never been loved, don't think I even have the capacity to love another human being. And it hurts me because the world was not designed for people like me. People like me are destined to dedicate their lives to some menial task to keep them occupied until they just waste away. And with any luck I can find some menial task that feels like it made a dent on the world, so I can just waste away like sisyphus with a smile.
Free will doesn't exist.
We have no choice in anything.
Genes + Environment predetermine every event in our lives, according to science… There is no proof, and zero evidence for any form of choice or free will.
We have no choice in anything.
Genes + Environment predetermine every event in our lives, according to science… There is no proof, and zero evidence for any form of choice or free will.
>>274533
Yes. The interesting thing about free will is that it is materially impossible (so far as we know) but obviously true. Nobody can deny free will except in the abstract, because its reality is proven by our existence.
The evidence of free will is unprovable, but subjectively knowable with absolute certainty. It's useless to debate whether you are "really choosing" because you have "free will" or if it's just because it was predestined to happen by random molecular interactions.
Yes. The interesting thing about free will is that it is materially impossible (so far as we know) but obviously true. Nobody can deny free will except in the abstract, because its reality is proven by our existence.
The evidence of free will is unprovable, but subjectively knowable with absolute certainty. It's useless to debate whether you are "really choosing" because you have "free will" or if it's just because it was predestined to happen by random molecular interactions.
>>274533
>>274537
I should specify what I mean by "yes": Free will is real but it cannot (so far as we can tell, and I would argue that it can never be) scientifically proven. It is real in the same way that we cannot scientifically prove that we exist, but we can KNOW we exist by the simple fact that there is something that is thinking that it exists.[1]
[1] We are going to ignore pedantic sophistry like "Muh what is this 'I' you're talking about?!" The 'I' doesn't have to be anything, it is enough to say that there is something that something has decided to perceive as an 'I.'
>>274537
I should specify what I mean by "yes": Free will is real but it cannot (so far as we can tell, and I would argue that it can never be) scientifically proven. It is real in the same way that we cannot scientifically prove that we exist, but we can KNOW we exist by the simple fact that there is something that is thinking that it exists.[1]
[1] We are going to ignore pedantic sophistry like "Muh what is this 'I' you're talking about?!" The 'I' doesn't have to be anything, it is enough to say that there is something that something has decided to perceive as an 'I.'
>>274539
What can be a choice VS predetermined / random event?
Does everything which occurs inside our own body happen by choice?
Everything in our lives?
Or just a few things… but then these few things would probably be predetermined or random.
There is zero evidence of free will.
What can be a choice VS predetermined / random event?
Does everything which occurs inside our own body happen by choice?
Everything in our lives?
Or just a few things… but then these few things would probably be predetermined or random.
There is zero evidence of free will.
>>274542
I'm guessing you're also the type to say consciousness isn't real, or that it's an illusion, a hallucination that arises from the interaction of complex systems. This is because consciousness can't be materially proven- it's a "subjective experience" of random atoms.
But it is real, simply because we perceive it. Our free will is identical in this respect. We don't have control over certain things, such as our desires, but we nonetheless have the freedom to pursue or not to pursue them.
I'm guessing you're also the type to say consciousness isn't real, or that it's an illusion, a hallucination that arises from the interaction of complex systems. This is because consciousness can't be materially proven- it's a "subjective experience" of random atoms.
But it is real, simply because we perceive it. Our free will is identical in this respect. We don't have control over certain things, such as our desires, but we nonetheless have the freedom to pursue or not to pursue them.
>>274544
I've experienced severe psychosis and thought everything was of my own free will (because I was appointed God) including :
The war in Ukraine
Seeing UFOs and having memories of being abducted
Killing people in past lives
Was my belief correct? It's all subjective maaannn… I chose to be schizophrenic.
I've experienced severe psychosis and thought everything was of my own free will (because I was appointed God) including :
The war in Ukraine
Seeing UFOs and having memories of being abducted
Killing people in past lives
Was my belief correct? It's all subjective maaannn… I chose to be schizophrenic.
>>274545
You may still be having a psychotic delusion at this moment. Free will does not mean whatever you will becomes reality.
You may still be having a psychotic delusion at this moment. Free will does not mean whatever you will becomes reality.
>>274546
But it was my conscious experience (the only thing we can know for sure)… There is no reason to deny it's validity besides a doctor claiming I had schizophrenia.
I literally visions with my own eyes… Everything is conscious maann, we're all one… Experience is everything maaannn..
I also choose for my meds to work, or not work. Where does free will end or begin?
But it was my conscious experience (the only thing we can know for sure)… There is no reason to deny it's validity besides a doctor claiming I had schizophrenia.
I literally visions with my own eyes… Everything is conscious maann, we're all one… Experience is everything maaannn..
I also choose for my meds to work, or not work. Where does free will end or begin?
>>271573
You chose the beatings of your own free will by not listening to your parents enough.
Also, in the womb pre-birth you willed yourself into existence.
You chose the beatings of your own free will by not listening to your parents enough.
Also, in the womb pre-birth you willed yourself into existence.
>>274547
While you were perceiving what wasn't true, what remained true that you were perceiving. It doesn't matter if you were perceiving truth or falsehood.
I perceptual issues can account for certain behaviors. That doesn't mean you don't have free will, but that incorrect perception is leads you to make decisions you wouldn't have made if you were perceiving correctly.
And yes, I know the follow up is "what is true perception?" and then we'll have to go on for thousands of words and many quotations.
While you were perceiving what wasn't true, what remained true that you were perceiving. It doesn't matter if you were perceiving truth or falsehood.
I perceptual issues can account for certain behaviors. That doesn't mean you don't have free will, but that incorrect perception is leads you to make decisions you wouldn't have made if you were perceiving correctly.
And yes, I know the follow up is "what is true perception?" and then we'll have to go on for thousands of words and many quotations.
>>274549
Why would someone choose not to correctly perceive reality of their own free will?
Why would someone choose not to correctly perceive reality of their own free will?
>>274551
You didn't choose it.
There is an arbitrary line where not-free will transfers over into free will defined by :
Social customs.
What's culturally correct.
How a non-mentally ill (correctly perceiving reality) person perceives their free will.
Otherwise, get a lobotomy.
You didn't choose it.
There is an arbitrary line where not-free will transfers over into free will defined by :
Social customs.
What's culturally correct.
How a non-mentally ill (correctly perceiving reality) person perceives their free will.
Otherwise, get a lobotomy.
>>274552
One day, I told my doctor that God was both responsible for and capable of curing all diseases.
The doctor said it was a religious delusion and ordered ECT.
Nowadays, I don't think God is responsible for anything because he ain't real. The doc was right..
One day, I told my doctor that God was both responsible for and capable of curing all diseases.
The doctor said it was a religious delusion and ordered ECT.
Nowadays, I don't think God is responsible for anything because he ain't real. The doc was right..
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