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Recently i've been playing a lot of dating sims and it showed me how apathetic i am about human relations, i'm so distant and incompatible with other people worldview (especially succubis), how do others Sub 8 at my age have so many friends and already had engaged in multiple relationships?
everytime i try to talk with another Sapiens, i unironically sound like a low iq fallout avatar, honestly i don't think i can ever fix it, am i just retarded or something? wish i knew the normies secret, people are bizarrely complicated and i probably will never learn how to deal with their complexity.
everytime i try to talk with another Sapiens, i unironically sound like a low iq fallout avatar, honestly i don't think i can ever fix it, am i just retarded or something? wish i knew the normies secret, people are bizarrely complicated and i probably will never learn how to deal with their complexity.
have you tried out any otomes or yaoi sims? females are really boring and stupid, I think it's a lot more interesting to pick from a cast of males
same. they say fake it till you make it but i never came close to making it and interacting with others is as draining and anxiety inducing as ever
>>272020
>am i just retarded
I am.
I've lamented over this for long enough. I've accepted that I'm on the short bus.
Most people operate at a level I cannot keep up with.
>am i just retarded
I am.
I've lamented over this for long enough. I've accepted that I'm on the short bus.
Most people operate at a level I cannot keep up with.
>Every time I try to talk with another Sapiens, I unironically sound like a low IQ fallout avatar
Me too
Me too
>>272027
Yep, this may be the cause for many wizards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder
Check if it fits your case and if it does google a couple of books about it that tells you how to live better with it.
Yep, this may be the cause for many wizards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder
Check if it fits your case and if it does google a couple of books about it that tells you how to live better with it.
>>272020
Funnily enough, I've been playing Amagami and thinking exactly the same thing. I think it's like being a feral child. Psychologists know that if you haven't learned a human language past a certain age you'll never really acquire the ability of language although you might learn a few words and phrases and be able to talk at a basic level. I get the feeling many of us did not learn the social language, the basic method of communication between humans, through our early or teen years, many of us missed out on stuff like teen dating, going out with friends, having a conversation that doesn't involve weird autist interests etc. So now we'll never really learn any social languge. So we're basically handicapped. Like a feral child our brains can only process bits but not the whole picture. So you want friends and a relationship, but when you get them you don't know what to do and just can't keep up anyway so it all falls apart. I know it sounds pretty bleak but just like a blind man you have to look for strategies that play to your strengths and make up for your weaknesses. Of course, its much harder because normies just think your a creep while being in a wheelchair is cute and fashionable right now.
Dating sims and VNs give you a false impression of reality. I love Japanese media, don't get me wrong but our societies are way less conservative. In conservative societies, there's an expectation that people have to adapt to each other and learn to live together, whereas liberal individualist societies encourage cutting "toxic people" (anyone you don't like) out of your life. In manga, anime, games etc. there's always a way out. The socially inpet retard meets an outgoing succubus (or vice versa) who sees something in him and she makes moves on him and pulls him out of his shell and they both grow. Irl it doesn't work that way. Most people will either ignore you or brush you off as a pervert or a creep they want nothing to do with and once they have that negative impression you are well and truly fucked because there's no way you can dig your way out of that hole.
>>272026
Are there any good ones for PSP/PS2 or PS3 you can recommend?
Funnily enough, I've been playing Amagami and thinking exactly the same thing. I think it's like being a feral child. Psychologists know that if you haven't learned a human language past a certain age you'll never really acquire the ability of language although you might learn a few words and phrases and be able to talk at a basic level. I get the feeling many of us did not learn the social language, the basic method of communication between humans, through our early or teen years, many of us missed out on stuff like teen dating, going out with friends, having a conversation that doesn't involve weird autist interests etc. So now we'll never really learn any social languge. So we're basically handicapped. Like a feral child our brains can only process bits but not the whole picture. So you want friends and a relationship, but when you get them you don't know what to do and just can't keep up anyway so it all falls apart. I know it sounds pretty bleak but just like a blind man you have to look for strategies that play to your strengths and make up for your weaknesses. Of course, its much harder because normies just think your a creep while being in a wheelchair is cute and fashionable right now.
Dating sims and VNs give you a false impression of reality. I love Japanese media, don't get me wrong but our societies are way less conservative. In conservative societies, there's an expectation that people have to adapt to each other and learn to live together, whereas liberal individualist societies encourage cutting "toxic people" (anyone you don't like) out of your life. In manga, anime, games etc. there's always a way out. The socially inpet retard meets an outgoing succubus (or vice versa) who sees something in him and she makes moves on him and pulls him out of his shell and they both grow. Irl it doesn't work that way. Most people will either ignore you or brush you off as a pervert or a creep they want nothing to do with and once they have that negative impression you are well and truly fucked because there's no way you can dig your way out of that hole.
>>272026
Are there any good ones for PSP/PS2 or PS3 you can recommend?
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>>272020
I hate how fake human relations are. I remember how my normie classmates used to change their tone and behaviour as soon as a succubus was nearby. You see it even among older people. People completely change and adapt their personality depending on who is the person they're interacting with. It's sickening how disgustingly fake normalfags are.
I hate how fake human relations are. I remember how my normie classmates used to change their tone and behaviour as soon as a succubus was nearby. You see it even among older people. People completely change and adapt their personality depending on who is the person they're interacting with. It's sickening how disgustingly fake normalfags are.
>>272055
The reason why I avoid contact with them most of the time. Only events I ever interact with them are for keeping up good relations with family for me to have a place to live and colleauges so I wont be kicked and have a stable income.
The reason why I avoid contact with them most of the time. Only events I ever interact with them are for keeping up good relations with family for me to have a place to live and colleauges so I wont be kicked and have a stable income.
>>272055
>People completely change and adapt their personality depending on who is the person they're interacting with
if both people enjoy the mimicry then whats the harm? different people enjoy different things and so you should interact with each person differently. should a man act the same way he does at his job when he goes to play with his daughter?
>People completely change and adapt their personality depending on who is the person they're interacting with
if both people enjoy the mimicry then whats the harm? different people enjoy different things and so you should interact with each person differently. should a man act the same way he does at his job when he goes to play with his daughter?
>>272093
I don't think that's the same, when I was in school some guys personality would completely change when a female was around, it was just really weird because the female was an equal peer to us
I don't think that's the same, when I was in school some guys personality would completely change when a female was around, it was just really weird because the female was an equal peer to us
>>272020
You're not retarded. You're probably higher IQ than the general population.
You do have autism, aspergers or schizophrenia though like 99.9% of wizchan and obscure imageboard users.
You're not retarded. You're probably higher IQ than the general population.
You do have autism, aspergers or schizophrenia though like 99.9% of wizchan and obscure imageboard users.
>>272102
oh yeah, i agree its different with succubi, but ive heard elsewhere as well (from non-autists) that its somehow nefarious that people act differently with different people, like its something only psychopaths do to manipulate people.
oh yeah, i agree its different with succubi, but ive heard elsewhere as well (from non-autists) that its somehow nefarious that people act differently with different people, like its something only psychopaths do to manipulate people.
>>272020
>to deal with their complexity
Instead of doing that, think about why the heck you force yourself into fitting their schemes instead of simply doing your life.
>to deal with their complexity
Instead of doing that, think about why the heck you force yourself into fitting their schemes instead of simply doing your life.
>>272020
am i going crazy or did i see this thread posted on the leftist board lainchan previously?
am i going crazy or did i see this thread posted on the leftist board lainchan previously?
They manage it because they enjoy it. That's it, no big secret. We enjoy other kind of things so we prioritize those over normalfag business. Humans aren't the same. Normals probably never had the negative experiences we had when it comes to dealing with people or they react completely differently to things that upset us.
Nobody is retarded on this site more than your average normalfag, you people just have social anxiety and low self esteem. In other words, you are really scared of what others think of you and how they perceive you so you can't ease up in social situations.
Nobody is retarded on this site more than your average normalfag, you people just have social anxiety and low self esteem. In other words, you are really scared of what others think of you and how they perceive you so you can't ease up in social situations.
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>>272020
Because they are hardwired to do so and you should stop trying to fall into their level, for your own sake.
Stop trying to fix anything, if you actually woke up from the normal standards you'd surely find deeper zones of yourself instead of running away from your potential due to the bootlickery of trying to blend amongst the normals.
Reject this way. Let them be the ones who torment theirselves on how to deal with you, honor yourself. Otherwise you'll just remain as a falied normal.
Because they are hardwired to do so and you should stop trying to fall into their level, for your own sake.
Stop trying to fix anything, if you actually woke up from the normal standards you'd surely find deeper zones of yourself instead of running away from your potential due to the bootlickery of trying to blend amongst the normals.
Reject this way. Let them be the ones who torment theirselves on how to deal with you, honor yourself. Otherwise you'll just remain as a falied normal.
>>272020
Remember the "hidden war" meme. Normies are not there to be befriend you, they are kind of predators for you.
Remember the "hidden war" meme. Normies are not there to be befriend you, they are kind of predators for you.
>>273351
People on this site who think they are dumb because they can't ease up in social situations. They just have social anxiety or low self esteem.
People on this site who think they are dumb because they can't ease up in social situations. They just have social anxiety or low self esteem.
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>>273345
Why can't you just use this in your favour or simply piss off?
>>273437
I learned to ease up by making others anxious. Like flipping off the omelette and reversing roles… all you need to do is to crush their mindframe with an opposite one. If you fall for their values and norms, like wanting to blend in, you are lost.
Why can't you just use this in your favour or simply piss off?
>>273437
I learned to ease up by making others anxious. Like flipping off the omelette and reversing roles… all you need to do is to crush their mindframe with an opposite one. If you fall for their values and norms, like wanting to blend in, you are lost.
>>272020
dunno. i only talk to random people while drunk, then i never see them again. i can't form relationships. i don't trust anyone
dunno. i only talk to random people while drunk, then i never see them again. i can't form relationships. i don't trust anyone
>>273351
You know exactly what it means. Most people on this site are invisibly breaking the rules
You know exactly what it means. Most people on this site are invisibly breaking the rules
>>272043
in a "normal" situation growing up everyone around you is roughly the same level socially
you think the same cringey things but they aren't cringe to all the people your age because thats just how everyone thinks
you "mature" together at roughly the same pace, all making the same mistakes at the same time and refining the social game to play it better
if you missed out on this learning experience through whatever reason you are 9 times out of 10 fucked and will never reach that level of social skill as everyone else
they are far too advanced for you, they know it immediately when speaking to you that you are "different"
they expect you to be somewhat near them in social skill because thats what everyone else is like and if you aren't they dont want to engage with you so you have little chance of ever improving.
you are not allowed to make the mistakes you make because thats something you should have done when you were a child not an adult and you need to make lots of those mistakes to refine social skills
All of this said though if you are naturally retarded in social situations you were never going to have normal social skills in the first place.
in a "normal" situation growing up everyone around you is roughly the same level socially
you think the same cringey things but they aren't cringe to all the people your age because thats just how everyone thinks
you "mature" together at roughly the same pace, all making the same mistakes at the same time and refining the social game to play it better
if you missed out on this learning experience through whatever reason you are 9 times out of 10 fucked and will never reach that level of social skill as everyone else
they are far too advanced for you, they know it immediately when speaking to you that you are "different"
they expect you to be somewhat near them in social skill because thats what everyone else is like and if you aren't they dont want to engage with you so you have little chance of ever improving.
you are not allowed to make the mistakes you make because thats something you should have done when you were a child not an adult and you need to make lots of those mistakes to refine social skills
All of this said though if you are naturally retarded in social situations you were never going to have normal social skills in the first place.
>>274078
>if you missed out on this learning experience through whatever reason you are 9 times out of 10 fucked
theres no evidence for this, despite it being a popular belief on this site. its a self defeating self perpetuating belief. you can do whatever you want with dilligent practice, many of us seemed to prefer to give up. thats not on slow development, thats on giving up.
>if you missed out on this learning experience through whatever reason you are 9 times out of 10 fucked
theres no evidence for this, despite it being a popular belief on this site. its a self defeating self perpetuating belief. you can do whatever you want with dilligent practice, many of us seemed to prefer to give up. thats not on slow development, thats on giving up.
>>272020
they dont have any sort of fear or feel like their dignity is at strike in these situations, making them immune to social shame or think about betrayal in a way that they would feel specially bad about it.
they dont have any sort of fear or feel like their dignity is at strike in these situations, making them immune to social shame or think about betrayal in a way that they would feel specially bad about it.
>>274079
It's true, at least for me. I tried to get better at social interactions, to get rid of social anxiety, I tried hard. I tried to 'fake it til I make it', to treat it as I would some sort of practical skill. Normals have a gut feeling for fakes. It is possible to feel less anxious while talking to them and even say what you actually think, but it is impossible for them to treat you as an equal, they just know you aren't like them.
Not to mention it is it soul crushing to talk to normals about shit you have zero interest in while they do and vice versa. It is draining and pointless.
It's true, at least for me. I tried to get better at social interactions, to get rid of social anxiety, I tried hard. I tried to 'fake it til I make it', to treat it as I would some sort of practical skill. Normals have a gut feeling for fakes. It is possible to feel less anxious while talking to them and even say what you actually think, but it is impossible for them to treat you as an equal, they just know you aren't like them.
Not to mention it is it soul crushing to talk to normals about shit you have zero interest in while they do and vice versa. It is draining and pointless.
My experience with being a social retard autist is that I don't know what to say unless I'm talking about something specific and that im unnecessarily overthinking when im supposed to talk because i cant be fluid and spontaneous. It seems like im also just unable to be casual, i cant do small talk and i cant banter. Im detached from normie culture so much that i really dont know what movies they watch or whats popular. Overall im irritating to people and they most likely think im completely stupid, retarded or on drugs.
I'm also extremely slow when it comes to noticing social cues, sometimes it takes me weeks or even longer and to realize what another person tried to imply because I take things way too literal a lot of times.
I've been trying to 'become normal' or at least able to socialize and it never worked, forcing myself in situations only helped me learn something about myself and after all it blackpilled me more than anything but in a rather freeing way. Once you have reached a certain age it just becomes clear that you most likely wont be able to fix your social retardation in the way you might hope to.
I'm also extremely slow when it comes to noticing social cues, sometimes it takes me weeks or even longer and to realize what another person tried to imply because I take things way too literal a lot of times.
I've been trying to 'become normal' or at least able to socialize and it never worked, forcing myself in situations only helped me learn something about myself and after all it blackpilled me more than anything but in a rather freeing way. Once you have reached a certain age it just becomes clear that you most likely wont be able to fix your social retardation in the way you might hope to.
>>274142
Honestly, even as a completely retarded autist I can socialize fine somehow. It's just a repeat of process
>They mention something from their life
>I reply with similar experience or talk about the subject in abstract
>They reply
>I reply
>etc
I don't even make eye contact.
But what I do when I don't like certain normies that antagonize me is I'm just completely silent and stonewall them. And nothing infuriates normies more than this, it fucks with their head for some reason. But I feel I have every right to do this.
Really, in life, you can socialize entirely on your own terms. And normies respect the stoic types that are somewhat indifferent to socialization, that can take it or leave it. The biggest thing is to ensure that you don't ever come across as desperate for socialization or desperate for validation, ever.
Honestly, even as a completely retarded autist I can socialize fine somehow. It's just a repeat of process
>They mention something from their life
>I reply with similar experience or talk about the subject in abstract
>They reply
>I reply
>etc
I don't even make eye contact.
But what I do when I don't like certain normies that antagonize me is I'm just completely silent and stonewall them. And nothing infuriates normies more than this, it fucks with their head for some reason. But I feel I have every right to do this.
Really, in life, you can socialize entirely on your own terms. And normies respect the stoic types that are somewhat indifferent to socialization, that can take it or leave it. The biggest thing is to ensure that you don't ever come across as desperate for socialization or desperate for validation, ever.
Gets better with age. Used to have this problem when I was in EMT school. I never started a topic on my own and just reacted to what other people told. Didnt tell much about myself because I was ashamed of my crabdom and not doing anything after school day. The field wasnt for me and I'm now in hvac trade school. No longer afraid to admit that I didnt do anything on weekends if someone asks. I also sometimes start topics about current events but on lunch break I'm completely fine just eating and browsing my phone. If someone has a problem with silence they can start conversation.
I think you just have to be comfortable with yourself and the amount you try.
I think you just have to be comfortable with yourself and the amount you try.
We are all diseased, and the world isn't designed for us…. It's designed for the healthy cattle, who provide enough meat for the ruling elite. People with good enough genes manage well and have decent relationships, jobs, etc while defective people - with even minor brain differences - end up in isolation, watching from a distance.
There are two forms of death - Death number 1, and death number 2 or social death. We're all dead already.
There are two forms of death - Death number 1, and death number 2 or social death. We're all dead already.
>>272020
The truth is that this is a simulation and people are fake. Normies are not sentient beings like myself. You're not supposed to interact with them because interacting with too many people would overload the simulation.
The truth is that this is a simulation and people are fake. Normies are not sentient beings like myself. You're not supposed to interact with them because interacting with too many people would overload the simulation.
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>>272020
It just gets easier with experience and age. If you have a very negative view of yourself and have nothing to look forward to in your day-to-day life, people will sense that. Might as well start the social cringe comp now because people are not going to tolerate such social ineptitude from what they perceive as someone who should have their shit together by now(30 being the magical number for some reason). Cringe is progress. Cringe will be your only companion for a long time.
It just gets easier with experience and age. If you have a very negative view of yourself and have nothing to look forward to in your day-to-day life, people will sense that. Might as well start the social cringe comp now because people are not going to tolerate such social ineptitude from what they perceive as someone who should have their shit together by now(30 being the magical number for some reason). Cringe is progress. Cringe will be your only companion for a long time.
>>274078
Good post, if you have missed out on social stuff growing up you missed out on essential experiences that make you develop your social skills and you won't have the chance to reclaim these experiences as an adult because the people around you are grown up and have way more advanced social skills than you. Adults will easily notice how there is a setback in your social development as you make the same mistakes that they used to learn from years ago.
But as you said, if the person is just socially disabled then it was inevitable anyway.
Good post, if you have missed out on social stuff growing up you missed out on essential experiences that make you develop your social skills and you won't have the chance to reclaim these experiences as an adult because the people around you are grown up and have way more advanced social skills than you. Adults will easily notice how there is a setback in your social development as you make the same mistakes that they used to learn from years ago.
But as you said, if the person is just socially disabled then it was inevitable anyway.
>>272046
Take your normalnigger shit out of here. The reality is there's no one really trying and this is how we get through the day.
Take your normalnigger shit out of here. The reality is there's no one really trying and this is how we get through the day.
>>274160
>The biggest thing is to ensure that you don't ever come across as desperate for socialization or desperate for validation, ever.
how do you ensure that? genuinely asking
>The biggest thing is to ensure that you don't ever come across as desperate for socialization or desperate for validation, ever.
how do you ensure that? genuinely asking
>>272020
How do they manage it? Practice. They overexpose themselves to social situations and learn and the cues, signals and tricks necessary for social interaction, they also learn that those interactions often provide benefits, from sexual benefits to economic and status benefits, so they learn how to play the game.
People like us don't have much interesting in learning all that shit, so we barely practice our social skills, it's no surprise we have a clear disadvantage against them, they're literal pros at a sport we never showed any interest in.
How do they manage it? Practice. They overexpose themselves to social situations and learn and the cues, signals and tricks necessary for social interaction, they also learn that those interactions often provide benefits, from sexual benefits to economic and status benefits, so they learn how to play the game.
People like us don't have much interesting in learning all that shit, so we barely practice our social skills, it's no surprise we have a clear disadvantage against them, they're literal pros at a sport we never showed any interest in.
>>274139
yes but i am not below normies just because i'm not interested in vacations, dating, and doing things with my life. its pointlses anyway.
yes but i am not below normies just because i'm not interested in vacations, dating, and doing things with my life. its pointlses anyway.
I cracked the code when I was doing skilled trade, for a few months I was able to emulate being normal and the secret is just keep asking questions about the current subject and past things the person said. Normalfags love to talk about themself and I used that. They of course target me and talked shit behind me, but I ignored. However, I was kicked out for not taking the covid vaccine and I got back to NEETdom.
>>275863
YES. My god yes, finally someone I can relate with about using the same technique. But yes, I did/do the same technique of "Ask them questions" and it really does work. You're absolutely right that normalfags love talking about themselves. Tried, trusted, and true wizard technique. Even when it seems so blatant that I'm switching topics by doing this, it always fucking works.
YES. My god yes, finally someone I can relate with about using the same technique. But yes, I did/do the same technique of "Ask them questions" and it really does work. You're absolutely right that normalfags love talking about themselves. Tried, trusted, and true wizard technique. Even when it seems so blatant that I'm switching topics by doing this, it always fucking works.
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>>275707
>How do you ensure that you don't come across as desperate for socialization or validation?
Just be a cool cat. Act like you don't care. Use reverse psychology.
>How do you ensure that you don't come across as desperate for socialization or validation?
Just be a cool cat. Act like you don't care. Use reverse psychology.
>>275892
this doesn't work for autists. Surprise, pushing people away doesn't make them want you, it just keeps them away.
this doesn't work for autists. Surprise, pushing people away doesn't make them want you, it just keeps them away.
>>275893
How come there are so many autists? Isn't it supposed to be a tiny fraction of the population? It !ight be people who simply have low self-esteem.
How come there are so many autists? Isn't it supposed to be a tiny fraction of the population? It !ight be people who simply have low self-esteem.
>>275909
well someone who had 0 friends for instance, either by choice or force, would be very likely to be diagnosed with autism just on that alone.
well someone who had 0 friends for instance, either by choice or force, would be very likely to be diagnosed with autism just on that alone.
>>275918
>well someone who had 0 friends for instance, either by choice or force, would be very likely to be diagnosed with autism just on that alone.
Theres quite a lot of other diagnoses youre more likely to get, doctors look for other traits as well when it comes to diagnosing autism. Having 0 friends can also be caused by social anxiety, depression, avoidant disorders and a whole lot of other mental issues.
>well someone who had 0 friends for instance, either by choice or force, would be very likely to be diagnosed with autism just on that alone.
Theres quite a lot of other diagnoses youre more likely to get, doctors look for other traits as well when it comes to diagnosing autism. Having 0 friends can also be caused by social anxiety, depression, avoidant disorders and a whole lot of other mental issues.
>>275863
>I cracked the code when I was doing skilled trade, for a few months I was able to emulate being normal and the secret is just keep asking questions about the current subject and past things the person said. Normalfags love to talk about themself and I used that.
I don't think you cracked anything, you just ask questions to keep a conversation flowing for a moment but I heard plenty normies complain about how people keep asking them questions during conversations. Normies are quite sharp when it comes to social things and usually they notice quickly when youre interviewing them or just asking stuff to fill the conversation.
They like to talk about themselves to people like you because you just pay attention and listen but if they are looking for an actual conversation that entertains them then they will talk to other people. Interviewing the other person is just a technique to not make a conversation too awkward but you still don't know how to actually keep up a conversation.
>I cracked the code when I was doing skilled trade, for a few months I was able to emulate being normal and the secret is just keep asking questions about the current subject and past things the person said. Normalfags love to talk about themself and I used that.
I don't think you cracked anything, you just ask questions to keep a conversation flowing for a moment but I heard plenty normies complain about how people keep asking them questions during conversations. Normies are quite sharp when it comes to social things and usually they notice quickly when youre interviewing them or just asking stuff to fill the conversation.
They like to talk about themselves to people like you because you just pay attention and listen but if they are looking for an actual conversation that entertains them then they will talk to other people. Interviewing the other person is just a technique to not make a conversation too awkward but you still don't know how to actually keep up a conversation.
>>275927
There's absolutely a danger of being annoyingly autistic, but it's a basic truth for most people. People like to vent. I usually use it for lulls in small talk for social situations because I suck at small talk and don't always have something to say. Just keep an inventory of things they already said, and ideally there might even be something along the way to build on yourself or bring a conversation back around to. Also a basic yet viable way of trying to tease information out of somebody, although that often takes more tact with empathy.
Stupid trick #2: don't forget to reciprocate questions, even prefunctory ones like, "ah not bad, you? fuckin parking lot's an ice skatin rink this morning though wtf" just to leave everything open ended enough that it's not necessary to continue but also that you're not just being a computer program that only answers questions. They want to talk to someone else instead? Fine by me lol. I'd rather just talk about work if and when needed, since that's actually important and potentially interesting.
There's absolutely a danger of being annoyingly autistic, but it's a basic truth for most people. People like to vent. I usually use it for lulls in small talk for social situations because I suck at small talk and don't always have something to say. Just keep an inventory of things they already said, and ideally there might even be something along the way to build on yourself or bring a conversation back around to. Also a basic yet viable way of trying to tease information out of somebody, although that often takes more tact with empathy.
Stupid trick #2: don't forget to reciprocate questions, even prefunctory ones like, "ah not bad, you? fuckin parking lot's an ice skatin rink this morning though wtf" just to leave everything open ended enough that it's not necessary to continue but also that you're not just being a computer program that only answers questions. They want to talk to someone else instead? Fine by me lol. I'd rather just talk about work if and when needed, since that's actually important and potentially interesting.
>>275932
>"ah not bad, you? fuckin parking lot's an ice skatin rink this morning though wtf"
and what do you say the next day? you can't keep mentioning the parking lot every day. and you need one every day of the week forever
>"ah not bad, you? fuckin parking lot's an ice skatin rink this morning though wtf"
and what do you say the next day? you can't keep mentioning the parking lot every day. and you need one every day of the week forever
>>275863
I feel like you can't do that constantly. Yes normies love to talk about themselves but they ask you back and want to know get to know you as well. And what Am I even supposed to tell about myself if I'm just 27 year old who just wasted most of my life playing vidya?
I'm likely schizoid and I used to be pretty chill about it all but now I think the satisfaction from one's life is largely influenced by quality of their relationships with people, even if you're natually a loner. I never will live like a regular person but I'd rather not be autistic drag people can't communicate with.
I feel like you can't do that constantly. Yes normies love to talk about themselves but they ask you back and want to know get to know you as well. And what Am I even supposed to tell about myself if I'm just 27 year old who just wasted most of my life playing vidya?
I'm likely schizoid and I used to be pretty chill about it all but now I think the satisfaction from one's life is largely influenced by quality of their relationships with people, even if you're natually a loner. I never will live like a regular person but I'd rather not be autistic drag people can't communicate with.
>>276013
Nothing. "Same old same old" or whatever. If he doesn't have anything interesting to talk about I have no reason to promote unnecessary conversation. I guess I meant just for the occassional opener to keep things congenial, especially at first. Maybe the rest is more like descending into the task of listening to females prattle on endlessly and maybe picking out only the occasional thing that's worth a comment or question.
Like I said, I'm not that talkative anyway, so people either tend to gravitate toward somebody else or just settle for my patience as a listener.
Nothing. "Same old same old" or whatever. If he doesn't have anything interesting to talk about I have no reason to promote unnecessary conversation. I guess I meant just for the occassional opener to keep things congenial, especially at first. Maybe the rest is more like descending into the task of listening to females prattle on endlessly and maybe picking out only the occasional thing that's worth a comment or question.
Like I said, I'm not that talkative anyway, so people either tend to gravitate toward somebody else or just settle for my patience as a listener.
>>272055
Yes, it feels like we're animals. (we are)
We're not the sapient, neutral beings we think we are
we're fucking apes for fuck's sake. Robots would be better
Yes, it feels like we're animals. (we are)
We're not the sapient, neutral beings we think we are
we're fucking apes for fuck's sake. Robots would be better
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>>272043
VN are made by males for a male public. They are not a real depiction of social life in the real world but a fantasy. Being incapable of playing a VN does not make you an autistic per se, but failing at social life does.
Apart from that, I very much agree with you when it comes to the "social language". Now get that it's all part of experience. Just like any domain in life there is trial and error. When learning anything there is this grueling process, that becomes harder and harder as time goes by to learn new things by failing multiple time before your body and brain memorizes it. But here's the deal, if you have been a (male) social outcast all your life, you will not have went through that process of failing and trying over again. In my country there's a saying about how kids make up very quickly after a dispute. Now as an adult, or hell even as a teenager, having a dispute can last forever and beyond. Here's another example. I remember taking care of my cousin for a moment, he randomly went to play with someone. I asked if that other kid was his friend, guess what, he did not even know his name. That's IMPOSSIBLE once you're an adult, you have to go through a whole fucking procedure to just have a conversation with someone without immediatly being spotted as "weird".
One of the biggest problem when you're a social outcast is how WORSE IT GETS EVERY DAY. Everyday you spend as a social outcast is a day where normies and foids will communicate with one another and gain experience continuously. The day you'll try to connect with one of them that person will have a hundreth time your experience. You will fail and he won't. Interactions will systematically be to your disadvantages. It took me a while not to understand, but to accept that fact, which is why now that I'm 25, I try to avoid social interactions as much as possible and keep them to strictly minimum (I'm a NEET who never had any friend so it's easy) because I KNOW that each interaction I will have with anyone who is over 12 yo will be to my disadvantage.
VN are made by males for a male public. They are not a real depiction of social life in the real world but a fantasy. Being incapable of playing a VN does not make you an autistic per se, but failing at social life does.
Apart from that, I very much agree with you when it comes to the "social language". Now get that it's all part of experience. Just like any domain in life there is trial and error. When learning anything there is this grueling process, that becomes harder and harder as time goes by to learn new things by failing multiple time before your body and brain memorizes it. But here's the deal, if you have been a (male) social outcast all your life, you will not have went through that process of failing and trying over again. In my country there's a saying about how kids make up very quickly after a dispute. Now as an adult, or hell even as a teenager, having a dispute can last forever and beyond. Here's another example. I remember taking care of my cousin for a moment, he randomly went to play with someone. I asked if that other kid was his friend, guess what, he did not even know his name. That's IMPOSSIBLE once you're an adult, you have to go through a whole fucking procedure to just have a conversation with someone without immediatly being spotted as "weird".
One of the biggest problem when you're a social outcast is how WORSE IT GETS EVERY DAY. Everyday you spend as a social outcast is a day where normies and foids will communicate with one another and gain experience continuously. The day you'll try to connect with one of them that person will have a hundreth time your experience. You will fail and he won't. Interactions will systematically be to your disadvantages. It took me a while not to understand, but to accept that fact, which is why now that I'm 25, I try to avoid social interactions as much as possible and keep them to strictly minimum (I'm a NEET who never had any friend so it's easy) because I KNOW that each interaction I will have with anyone who is over 12 yo will be to my disadvantage.
>>276148
>VN are made by males for a male public
plenty of visual novels are made by females or for females, in fact I'd say females are a large audience for the genre
>VN are made by males for a male public
plenty of visual novels are made by females or for females, in fact I'd say females are a large audience for the genre
>>276148
true but i feel people mellow out at a certain age (depending on the person)
i cannot communicate with anyone that is 15 years older than me or younger but go older than that i can have a not completely retarded interaction
Maybe boomers are just different
true but i feel people mellow out at a certain age (depending on the person)
i cannot communicate with anyone that is 15 years older than me or younger but go older than that i can have a not completely retarded interaction
Maybe boomers are just different
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>>276173
well I don't like boomers because they're often annoying in a lot of ways. Few boomers I met are actually nice. Most of them are not.
But I get where you're going. It's true that boomers are more social. It's not only due to their age where they are much more experienced in life and understand more. It's also a generational thing. Back in their time it was normal to have casual conversations with people they never met. They were much, much more social than the following generations, especially millennials and gen z that are the least social of all mankind. Also since they were overly social and met a lot of people, boomers always were very good at verbal communication, whereas our generations has been dumbed down in that aspect. The more you look into it, the more you see how boomers are probably the luckiest generation of all mankind.
well I don't like boomers because they're often annoying in a lot of ways. Few boomers I met are actually nice. Most of them are not.
But I get where you're going. It's true that boomers are more social. It's not only due to their age where they are much more experienced in life and understand more. It's also a generational thing. Back in their time it was normal to have casual conversations with people they never met. They were much, much more social than the following generations, especially millennials and gen z that are the least social of all mankind. Also since they were overly social and met a lot of people, boomers always were very good at verbal communication, whereas our generations has been dumbed down in that aspect. The more you look into it, the more you see how boomers are probably the luckiest generation of all mankind.
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>>272043
This is so true, I was cast aside and abandoned at such a young age and just fell through the cracks and then some more cracks until nobody knew where the fuck I was, not that they ever cared or even thought about me. I was severely bullied from day one and ignored, shunned and isolated the rest of the time, I never got to do any of the most basic social developmental milestones, nobody ever liked me or thought to include me in anything, I am basically a ghost in limbo. Life just always felt like being a starving homeless person getting to stare into a candy shop but never getting to reach through the glass because I'm barred from the human experience in its entirety. Today I e-stalked some people from my past, one of my old bullies is a successful engineer with an army of friends, girlfriends and an active social life, in fact all my former bullies live the high life, they're all rich with prime genetics who, have many sexual relationships, are highly sought after and travel the world, a former friend who ditched me to become a normalfag is now in law school and is travelling the world with friends, he has his own bar, he's been to like fifteen countries and is going to another eight now, these people all did horrendous shit to me but live luxuriously while i was nice and did nothing bad but just suffered my entire life, i have literally no good memories whatsoever. I am empirically the lowest in quality of life, in attainment and achievment in the social hierarchy of everybody i used to know. I'm a non-entity, I don't even exist, I'm a dead man walking and may aswell already be dead and buried. Nobody remembers me, I am forgotten on a cosmic level. I'm just completely shelved to the backrooms of life like a pilot episode that was so unpopular it had to be canned.
This is so true, I was cast aside and abandoned at such a young age and just fell through the cracks and then some more cracks until nobody knew where the fuck I was, not that they ever cared or even thought about me. I was severely bullied from day one and ignored, shunned and isolated the rest of the time, I never got to do any of the most basic social developmental milestones, nobody ever liked me or thought to include me in anything, I am basically a ghost in limbo. Life just always felt like being a starving homeless person getting to stare into a candy shop but never getting to reach through the glass because I'm barred from the human experience in its entirety. Today I e-stalked some people from my past, one of my old bullies is a successful engineer with an army of friends, girlfriends and an active social life, in fact all my former bullies live the high life, they're all rich with prime genetics who, have many sexual relationships, are highly sought after and travel the world, a former friend who ditched me to become a normalfag is now in law school and is travelling the world with friends, he has his own bar, he's been to like fifteen countries and is going to another eight now, these people all did horrendous shit to me but live luxuriously while i was nice and did nothing bad but just suffered my entire life, i have literally no good memories whatsoever. I am empirically the lowest in quality of life, in attainment and achievment in the social hierarchy of everybody i used to know. I'm a non-entity, I don't even exist, I'm a dead man walking and may aswell already be dead and buried. Nobody remembers me, I am forgotten on a cosmic level. I'm just completely shelved to the backrooms of life like a pilot episode that was so unpopular it had to be canned.
>>276326
The thing with others doing supposedly better than you including bullies is not that they were assholes but that they are also functioning normally which you don't so either way you would have ended up in this situation, these people are not releavnt to your own life. I think it's very unhealthy to look up what other people are doing like that, it will lead to a self-loathing comparison through the distorted lens of social media and you are also making assumptions based on that even though you can't possibly know how good they are actually doing, of course they are most likely doing better than you but what they present online is always different from reality.
The thing with others doing supposedly better than you including bullies is not that they were assholes but that they are also functioning normally which you don't so either way you would have ended up in this situation, these people are not releavnt to your own life. I think it's very unhealthy to look up what other people are doing like that, it will lead to a self-loathing comparison through the distorted lens of social media and you are also making assumptions based on that even though you can't possibly know how good they are actually doing, of course they are most likely doing better than you but what they present online is always different from reality.
What other people are doing compared to you is generally irrelevant
I would never want some high life juggling "friends" and other people and waging some stressful job.
Being pushed out of the social skill development cycle you get when going up is something though. Basically everyone has some ability in this, it's what the others use it for that is irrelevant but I don't even have the basic skill to begin with.
I would never want some high life juggling "friends" and other people and waging some stressful job.
Being pushed out of the social skill development cycle you get when going up is something though. Basically everyone has some ability in this, it's what the others use it for that is irrelevant but I don't even have the basic skill to begin with.
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>>276326
I e-stalked some people from my past too and guess what, back in 2015 or so when I did it the first time my experience was similar to yours, all of these people from my bullied past were doing great in life.
Then years later (around last year) I decided to check up on them again and holy shit it went downhill for literally all of them.
For the most Part Cancer and other diseases (from the vaccines I assume) but also poverty and debt slavery, somehow the great careers that I thought they had didnt seem to work out.
Guy who used to bully me daily the most died years ago and when I found out I decided to go to the grave, imagining myself vandalizing it but when I actually found it and stood before it I noticed nobody had taken care of the site in a long time, I didnt even bother pissing on it because I realized I was the only person who even still gave a shit about him.
I also looked up the succubi that I was lusting after back then when I was young and all of them became obese hamplanets and hit the wall at hypersonic speeds.
the "hottest chick" in class back then is literally 150kg+ and chained to a respirator nowadays and slowly wasting away from idk what disease.
around that point is when I finally stopped caring about any of these people and even about my own past and the only conclusion I could derive from all this is that Life sucks for everyone and the little good moments you might have fade compared to whats probably waiting along the way for you.
I just regret I wasted so much time thinking about these faggots.
I e-stalked some people from my past too and guess what, back in 2015 or so when I did it the first time my experience was similar to yours, all of these people from my bullied past were doing great in life.
Then years later (around last year) I decided to check up on them again and holy shit it went downhill for literally all of them.
For the most Part Cancer and other diseases (from the vaccines I assume) but also poverty and debt slavery, somehow the great careers that I thought they had didnt seem to work out.
Guy who used to bully me daily the most died years ago and when I found out I decided to go to the grave, imagining myself vandalizing it but when I actually found it and stood before it I noticed nobody had taken care of the site in a long time, I didnt even bother pissing on it because I realized I was the only person who even still gave a shit about him.
I also looked up the succubi that I was lusting after back then when I was young and all of them became obese hamplanets and hit the wall at hypersonic speeds.
the "hottest chick" in class back then is literally 150kg+ and chained to a respirator nowadays and slowly wasting away from idk what disease.
around that point is when I finally stopped caring about any of these people and even about my own past and the only conclusion I could derive from all this is that Life sucks for everyone and the little good moments you might have fade compared to whats probably waiting along the way for you.
I just regret I wasted so much time thinking about these faggots.
>>276431
>whats probably waiting along the way for you
>probably
no, not probably. everyone's going to get a wall on his road sooner or later. for some people this wall will be but a low shaky fence, for some it will be a monstrous fucking stockade. but it will be there. the only difference is that some people manage to fuck up on the shaky fence and some people just tank through the stockade like it's not even there. it's all up to your innate ability to overcome trouble.
bullies, miserable by nature, just do not have enough brain to see farther than today, so they enjoy their seeming dominance while they still have it, but ruthless years are not there to enjoy along, they wait and then they strike. poor bully, being used to be the trouble itself, didn't happen to develop innate ability to deal with shit, so the result is exacly what you described. it's so fucking pleasurable to observe how the scam suffers from their own narrow-mindness.
>whats probably waiting along the way for you
>probably
no, not probably. everyone's going to get a wall on his road sooner or later. for some people this wall will be but a low shaky fence, for some it will be a monstrous fucking stockade. but it will be there. the only difference is that some people manage to fuck up on the shaky fence and some people just tank through the stockade like it's not even there. it's all up to your innate ability to overcome trouble.
bullies, miserable by nature, just do not have enough brain to see farther than today, so they enjoy their seeming dominance while they still have it, but ruthless years are not there to enjoy along, they wait and then they strike. poor bully, being used to be the trouble itself, didn't happen to develop innate ability to deal with shit, so the result is exacly what you described. it's so fucking pleasurable to observe how the scam suffers from their own narrow-mindness.
A lot of normies are on drugs, so they have a chemical buffer between them and all of life's bullshit. I'm not saying you should use or anything like that, but I am saying that most are using cheat codes. Even things like coffee were so foreign to me until I had to get a job and start working, but when I began taking that in the morning it made me less suicidal about the prospect of going to work until it wore off at around noon, which is when I noticed lots of normies having coffee at lunch. If you want to see normalized junkies waiting for their fix, go people-watch at a Starbucks at around 7 am. Then you'll see how these people cope when there's no buffer and they have to face reality raw and unfiltered. They're irritable, mean, impatient, and pretty much as unpleasant as anyone else who has to deal with the bullshit associated with modern living. Now that weed's legal in more places, a lot of them take advantage of that as well. I'm not a stoner, but I did try edibles one time just to document the experience and in hopes of fixing my depression. It made me extremely empathetic. I opened a hentai manga and couldn't even fap because I just spiraled down a mental hellhole of feeling bad for the characters. I think if I'd continued using (In the end it made me anxious so I stopped using it), I probably could have at least managed to hold small talk and not have it feel forced.
It's all a fucking sham, man. So many people are just on drugs and only appear to be skating through life that way. Again, I'm not advocating this shit because I've seen how these people cope when the drugs go away and it's not pretty. The clarity and peace of mind I've felt while on popular legal drugs (caffeine and weed) were akin to what my old college professor talked about when he spoke on mindful meditation, so I've been trying to use that to reach mental clarity without the negative side effects of being high like the anxiety, the shaky hands, the paranoia, etc. If you're interested in trying this route, you can start by sitting in a way that plants both feet firmly on the ground. Then breathe in deep through your nose and exhale through your mouth. Focus on your breathing. If you have intrusive thoughts, acknowledge them, then let them go. Do this for as long as you need. I used to do it to calm down back when I worked retail and would have panic attacks.
It's all a fucking sham, man. So many people are just on drugs and only appear to be skating through life that way. Again, I'm not advocating this shit because I've seen how these people cope when the drugs go away and it's not pretty. The clarity and peace of mind I've felt while on popular legal drugs (caffeine and weed) were akin to what my old college professor talked about when he spoke on mindful meditation, so I've been trying to use that to reach mental clarity without the negative side effects of being high like the anxiety, the shaky hands, the paranoia, etc. If you're interested in trying this route, you can start by sitting in a way that plants both feet firmly on the ground. Then breathe in deep through your nose and exhale through your mouth. Focus on your breathing. If you have intrusive thoughts, acknowledge them, then let them go. Do this for as long as you need. I used to do it to calm down back when I worked retail and would have panic attacks.
>>272020
What would happen if one goes innawoods and live like a tribal with other people (if possible) for a time, shouldn't this kinda fix us?
since normies are animals, then turning oneself into an animal should somehow work?
What would happen if one goes innawoods and live like a tribal with other people (if possible) for a time, shouldn't this kinda fix us?
since normies are animals, then turning oneself into an animal should somehow work?
>>276437
You do you. Everybody reacts differently to that stuff so I've never felt comfortable telling people what they ought to try or whatever.
You do you. Everybody reacts differently to that stuff so I've never felt comfortable telling people what they ought to try or whatever.