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How do I even cope? I just get urges to destroy any connection ive ever made or worse just let others fester and die then feel sorry for myself after. Its vindicating i guess but at the same time i fucking hate it but cant help myself.
I don't know much about the neurochemistry of bpd but my understanding if the pathology is basically just drug abuse and generalized mental illness, bad family life history etc. You might benefit from a b-vitamin complex, magnesium, and fish oils…. internet says vit-d as well which is a no brainer you should be taking about 4-5k of d a day if you don't get 60 minutes of sunlight. Mania has to do with calcium channels which I'm not entirely aware of how to block by supplements. I don't really want to ID and treat literally everyone's mental illness on this site but can give it a quick look since the basics for most of this is pretty generalized
>>272725
Hey mang thanks for the fast reply.
The funny thing is my parents are great the only drug i abuse is food because I cant curb that impulse to binge eat and I do have aspergers which idk if that contributes any.
I did buy a bunch of supplements but even there I never take them regularly idk if its out of lazyness or expecting instant results or maybe it was just a dumb impulse buy which i do that lot unfortunately.
Hey mang thanks for the fast reply.
The funny thing is my parents are great the only drug i abuse is food because I cant curb that impulse to binge eat and I do have aspergers which idk if that contributes any.
I did buy a bunch of supplements but even there I never take them regularly idk if its out of lazyness or expecting instant results or maybe it was just a dumb impulse buy which i do that lot unfortunately.
>>272726
is this a meme diagnosis or a real one. BPD typically is a history of substance use and suicide attempts. If you don't have that I don't get what your problem is
You have to find the proper kinds of supps and do them consistent at the right dosages until your brain develops differently. A brief survey of this topic indicates most people think it's just a shitty person PD related to narcissism and should be treated by DBT. However I think all forms of therapy are a scam for succubi or gays so I'm not recommending that
is this a meme diagnosis or a real one. BPD typically is a history of substance use and suicide attempts. If you don't have that I don't get what your problem is
You have to find the proper kinds of supps and do them consistent at the right dosages until your brain develops differently. A brief survey of this topic indicates most people think it's just a shitty person PD related to narcissism and should be treated by DBT. However I think all forms of therapy are a scam for succubi or gays so I'm not recommending that
>>272729
Nah man I got tested, idk i got a lot of problems I guess i just dont know how to deal with them
Nah man I got tested, idk i got a lot of problems I guess i just dont know how to deal with them
>>272735
huh? why would i lie about having a mental illness that has fucked me over my entire life?
huh? why would i lie about having a mental illness that has fucked me over my entire life?
I was diagnosed BPD and MDD almost a decade ago, I can offer my insight.
>>272724
>How do I even cope? I just get urges to destroy any connection ive ever made or worse just let others fester and die then feel sorry for myself after
People bring you pain, it doesn't matter if it's their fault or your fault (don't even try rationalizing this, it will only cause you more grievances, just accept it). Minimize your contact with other people, you'll get less triggered, you'll make more sound decisions if other people aren't poisoning your mind. Solitude is great for managing BPD symptoms.
>>272725
>I don't know much about the neurochemistry of bpd but my understanding if the pathology is basically just drug abuse and generalized mental illness
In simpler words, BPD is characterized by frequent mood swings and very intense emotions. This causes a very rigid pattern of behavior in BPD patients that's persistent through many years. Half of BPD patients have psychotic symptoms, that's an important detail too. So BPD patients are common in psych wards (along with bipolars and schizophrenics). Not all BPD patients abuse drugs, but a good portion of them are addicts.
>>272726
Your self-destructive behavior is yours, take responsibility of it. If you can't get rid of it, minimize its impact on your well-being. Don't expect immediate results, having BPD and trying to minimize self-destructive behavior takes lots of time, patience and introspection.
>>272735
>fuck off andy you're a lying faggot with no cred
Not everyone has the same awful situations, and maybe OP is younger and has yet to live his most tragic life moments.
>>272724
>How do I even cope? I just get urges to destroy any connection ive ever made or worse just let others fester and die then feel sorry for myself after
People bring you pain, it doesn't matter if it's their fault or your fault (don't even try rationalizing this, it will only cause you more grievances, just accept it). Minimize your contact with other people, you'll get less triggered, you'll make more sound decisions if other people aren't poisoning your mind. Solitude is great for managing BPD symptoms.
>>272725
>I don't know much about the neurochemistry of bpd but my understanding if the pathology is basically just drug abuse and generalized mental illness
In simpler words, BPD is characterized by frequent mood swings and very intense emotions. This causes a very rigid pattern of behavior in BPD patients that's persistent through many years. Half of BPD patients have psychotic symptoms, that's an important detail too. So BPD patients are common in psych wards (along with bipolars and schizophrenics). Not all BPD patients abuse drugs, but a good portion of them are addicts.
>>272726
Your self-destructive behavior is yours, take responsibility of it. If you can't get rid of it, minimize its impact on your well-being. Don't expect immediate results, having BPD and trying to minimize self-destructive behavior takes lots of time, patience and introspection.
>>272735
>fuck off andy you're a lying faggot with no cred
Not everyone has the same awful situations, and maybe OP is younger and has yet to live his most tragic life moments.
>>272737
>So BPD patients are common in psych wards
Most succubi I saw in stationary/external psychwards had BPD or schizophrenia, I'm not sure if BPD is more common for succubi or if they just get diagnosed differently but it was still interesting. I talked to people there on rare occasions and observed a lot of their conversations.
It had the stereotypical young BPD succubi who wear chokers and all that but also succubi in their 30s and 40s who didn't look like it and the older succubi were really terrible when it came to sexual impulsivity like they talked about dicks and depraved sexual acts a lot as if they never matured past their teens, it was kinda revolting how they had no shame at times.
The younger BPD succubi were just really quiet types who'd have massive meltdowns at times, they would almost seem sweet and relatable but then again you just know they are impulsive liars who most likely had a stream of dicks in them. The interesting thing about the schizophrenic succubi was that they mostly looked and acted kinda nice until they had sudden outbursts. one of them suddenly started following me and accused me of being part of a group who gossips about her then she listened to me talk and realized that I'm just an autistic retard and left me alone but she absolutely lost her shit at some other people.
The men almost all had psychotic stuff going on or severe depression with suicidal stuff and a few were just extremely narcissistic shitheads with no self awareness but except for the latter ones the men never really stood out anywhere.
>So BPD patients are common in psych wards
Most succubi I saw in stationary/external psychwards had BPD or schizophrenia, I'm not sure if BPD is more common for succubi or if they just get diagnosed differently but it was still interesting. I talked to people there on rare occasions and observed a lot of their conversations.
It had the stereotypical young BPD succubi who wear chokers and all that but also succubi in their 30s and 40s who didn't look like it and the older succubi were really terrible when it came to sexual impulsivity like they talked about dicks and depraved sexual acts a lot as if they never matured past their teens, it was kinda revolting how they had no shame at times.
The younger BPD succubi were just really quiet types who'd have massive meltdowns at times, they would almost seem sweet and relatable but then again you just know they are impulsive liars who most likely had a stream of dicks in them. The interesting thing about the schizophrenic succubi was that they mostly looked and acted kinda nice until they had sudden outbursts. one of them suddenly started following me and accused me of being part of a group who gossips about her then she listened to me talk and realized that I'm just an autistic retard and left me alone but she absolutely lost her shit at some other people.
The men almost all had psychotic stuff going on or severe depression with suicidal stuff and a few were just extremely narcissistic shitheads with no self awareness but except for the latter ones the men never really stood out anywhere.
>>272737
>>272739
> I'm not sure if BPD is more common for succubi or if they just get diagnosed differently but it was still interesting
It's not, recent data suggests it's evenly spread about men and succubi. Men are less likely to get a BPD diagnosis for many reasons. Also, your population of psychiatric patients may vary compared to other countries/regions.
Men and succubi with BPD have recurring patterns of behavior, some patterns are more represented in men than succubi. In my opinion, men with BPD are more aggressive in general, couple that with BPD's impulsivity and you have very volatile men.
>>272739
> I'm not sure if BPD is more common for succubi or if they just get diagnosed differently but it was still interesting
It's not, recent data suggests it's evenly spread about men and succubi. Men are less likely to get a BPD diagnosis for many reasons. Also, your population of psychiatric patients may vary compared to other countries/regions.
Men and succubi with BPD have recurring patterns of behavior, some patterns are more represented in men than succubi. In my opinion, men with BPD are more aggressive in general, couple that with BPD's impulsivity and you have very volatile men.
>>272740
>It's not, recent data suggests it's evenly spread about men and succubi.
There's a hetereodox theory that suggests that succubi with sociopathy/ASPD are simply being labeled with a BPD diagnosis. A lot of the hysterical behavior is just calculated manipulation and callousness. succubi aren't typically violent or contrarian enough to really get on the radar for ASPD, they're just at worst doing shit like keying their ex boyfriends car or doing a lot of drugs.
>It's not, recent data suggests it's evenly spread about men and succubi.
There's a hetereodox theory that suggests that succubi with sociopathy/ASPD are simply being labeled with a BPD diagnosis. A lot of the hysterical behavior is just calculated manipulation and callousness. succubi aren't typically violent or contrarian enough to really get on the radar for ASPD, they're just at worst doing shit like keying their ex boyfriends car or doing a lot of drugs.
>>272745
>There's a hetereodox theory that suggests that succubi with sociopathy/ASPD are simply being labeled with a BPD diagnosis. A lot of the hysterical behavior is just calculated manipulation and callousness.
Makes a lot of sense since the typical BPD succubus is rather manipulative and exploitive to the people around her. They are prone to cheat on their partners or to spin severe social drama for their short term benefits and are massive gaslighters. All these things seem to be a recurring theme with BPD succubi but those are indeed the traits of sociopaths as well.
succubi with BPD are also good at faking a personality and can really act sane if it benefits them which is also rather sociopathic. It's quite possible that many of them got diagnosed wrong.
>There's a hetereodox theory that suggests that succubi with sociopathy/ASPD are simply being labeled with a BPD diagnosis. A lot of the hysterical behavior is just calculated manipulation and callousness.
Makes a lot of sense since the typical BPD succubus is rather manipulative and exploitive to the people around her. They are prone to cheat on their partners or to spin severe social drama for their short term benefits and are massive gaslighters. All these things seem to be a recurring theme with BPD succubi but those are indeed the traits of sociopaths as well.
succubi with BPD are also good at faking a personality and can really act sane if it benefits them which is also rather sociopathic. It's quite possible that many of them got diagnosed wrong.
mental illness is le bad…because…it just is ok those people are SoOOoo WeIrD and NOT NORMAL
>>272724
I could never figure out if I am the way I am because mental case or it's all natural reactions to the world.
I could never figure out if I am the way I am because mental case or it's all natural reactions to the world.
>>272755
This diagnosis sounds very different in men than in succubi. Any idea of what brain systems it involves? I find it odd that they'd put people on antipsychotics as if this is doing anything therapeutic other than dope up the patient
This diagnosis sounds very different in men than in succubi. Any idea of what brain systems it involves? I find it odd that they'd put people on antipsychotics as if this is doing anything therapeutic other than dope up the patient
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>>272724
>How do I even cope?
maybe you don't think people can be trusted subconsciously but it is too far reaching of a consequence so you live in denial and pretend you like people even though you don't. or maybe you are used to being close to people but over the years you learned that people are not worth the effort but you are still habitually signaling openness to other people even though you might want to leave them alone. there might be a conflict inside of you between the part of you who hopes people could be worth the effort and your experience that tells you they never are.
or you simply belong to the masses of people who simply never reached the point of being able to control their own action. in a violent world with hierarchy, puppets, followers, employees, soldiers, police, security, prisons where many people just float through live passively by simply doing what they are told to avoid torture, many or most simply do not have the infrastructure in their nervous system to make decisions and act on those decisions. for them decisions are made outside.
i don't think using scientific medical diagnosis like bpd is a smart thing to do. it is merely a name; like johnny. i think it is way better to just describe your condition by the actual symptom you experience. don't say i have rectalfloatosis, say that you bleed from the ass. using the medical language is giving the medical establishment and modern psychology way more credit and respect then they deserve. don't use their language, use your language. it very well might be that mental disorders are just subscriptions that doctors economically trick you in to get rich off you. if doctors were really trying to help you, they would talk to you about prevention and good habits. what to exercise, what to eat, breathing, herbal teas, meditation, attitude.
fuck those for-profit eugenicists, the pandemic revealed what medical doctors are really like. unless you need emergency surgery better stay away from those assholes and seek solutions elsewhere.
>How do I even cope?
maybe you don't think people can be trusted subconsciously but it is too far reaching of a consequence so you live in denial and pretend you like people even though you don't. or maybe you are used to being close to people but over the years you learned that people are not worth the effort but you are still habitually signaling openness to other people even though you might want to leave them alone. there might be a conflict inside of you between the part of you who hopes people could be worth the effort and your experience that tells you they never are.
or you simply belong to the masses of people who simply never reached the point of being able to control their own action. in a violent world with hierarchy, puppets, followers, employees, soldiers, police, security, prisons where many people just float through live passively by simply doing what they are told to avoid torture, many or most simply do not have the infrastructure in their nervous system to make decisions and act on those decisions. for them decisions are made outside.
i don't think using scientific medical diagnosis like bpd is a smart thing to do. it is merely a name; like johnny. i think it is way better to just describe your condition by the actual symptom you experience. don't say i have rectalfloatosis, say that you bleed from the ass. using the medical language is giving the medical establishment and modern psychology way more credit and respect then they deserve. don't use their language, use your language. it very well might be that mental disorders are just subscriptions that doctors economically trick you in to get rich off you. if doctors were really trying to help you, they would talk to you about prevention and good habits. what to exercise, what to eat, breathing, herbal teas, meditation, attitude.
fuck those for-profit eugenicists, the pandemic revealed what medical doctors are really like. unless you need emergency surgery better stay away from those assholes and seek solutions elsewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os9IIVd72E8
i thought this video was interesting and might relate to the threat and dep in general. i hope i am not linking the wrong video but i think this is the one where they raise the concern that the basis for current treatment of mental health has no basis in science. not sure if it was the one about chemical imbalance in the brain being complete nonsense. either way a video well worth the 20 minutes it takes to watch.
i thought this video was interesting and might relate to the threat and dep in general. i hope i am not linking the wrong video but i think this is the one where they raise the concern that the basis for current treatment of mental health has no basis in science. not sure if it was the one about chemical imbalance in the brain being complete nonsense. either way a video well worth the 20 minutes it takes to watch.
>>272762
>This diagnosis sounds very different in men than in succubi
It's not. First you have succubi in social media pretending to have BPD when they do not have it, because they do not have the disorder their behavior is "different".
Then you have agression in men vs. succubi. Men exhibit impulsiveness and agression differently than succubi, and BPD has lots to do with impulsivity and agressiveness.
>This diagnosis sounds very different in men than in succubi
It's not. First you have succubi in social media pretending to have BPD when they do not have it, because they do not have the disorder their behavior is "different".
Then you have agression in men vs. succubi. Men exhibit impulsiveness and agression differently than succubi, and BPD has lots to do with impulsivity and agressiveness.
>>272762
>put people on antipsychotics as if this is doing anything therapeutic other than dope up the patient
Quetiapine and olanzapine are widely used in BPD, both are anti-psychotics that also work as mood stabilizers. Not all anti-psychotics have these properties. Also some BPD patients actually have psychotic symptoms. Again, BPD is not just the behavioural problems.
Personally I do not take anti-psychotics, I prefer not to. I used to in the past. They work for some patients, they have worked for me, but I prefer not having to rely on them long-term.
>put people on antipsychotics as if this is doing anything therapeutic other than dope up the patient
Quetiapine and olanzapine are widely used in BPD, both are anti-psychotics that also work as mood stabilizers. Not all anti-psychotics have these properties. Also some BPD patients actually have psychotic symptoms. Again, BPD is not just the behavioural problems.
Personally I do not take anti-psychotics, I prefer not to. I used to in the past. They work for some patients, they have worked for me, but I prefer not having to rely on them long-term.
>>272780
>Men exhibit impulsiveness and agression differently than succubi,
how does this difference manifest because i have not seen it. i have seen desperation, idiocy and shortsightedness in both (pause for gasp) genders.
>>272781
>anti-psychotics (…) mood stabilizers
cmon man. those are just chemical lobotomies designed to disable eccentrics.
>Men exhibit impulsiveness and agression differently than succubi,
how does this difference manifest because i have not seen it. i have seen desperation, idiocy and shortsightedness in both (pause for gasp) genders.
>>272781
>anti-psychotics (…) mood stabilizers
cmon man. those are just chemical lobotomies designed to disable eccentrics.
>>272785
>how does this difference manifest because i have not seen it
BPD succubi are more likely to threaten suicide or cut themselves (inward aggression). BPD men are more likely to abuse substances or get into a physical fight with someone (outward aggression). I mean stuff like that.
>>272785
>just chemical lobotomies designed to disable eccentrics
Are you suggesting that psychiatric patients shouldn't take the meds that work for them? Meds work, they're not perfect. Meds help patients stabilize, they're not a cure.
>how does this difference manifest because i have not seen it
BPD succubi are more likely to threaten suicide or cut themselves (inward aggression). BPD men are more likely to abuse substances or get into a physical fight with someone (outward aggression). I mean stuff like that.
>>272785
>just chemical lobotomies designed to disable eccentrics
Are you suggesting that psychiatric patients shouldn't take the meds that work for them? Meds work, they're not perfect. Meds help patients stabilize, they're not a cure.
>>272791
>BPD succubi are more likely to threaten suicide or cut themselves (inward aggression). BPD men are more likely to abuse substances or get into a physical fight with someone (outward aggression).
sounds like it would align with traditional gender expectation however i have not seen it. might be location based. where i live the succubi are aggressive outward and the men selfharm with food.
>Are you suggesting that psychiatric patients shouldn't take the meds that work for them?
Do they work for them? I'm not denying them completely but it seems to me that mostly they work for evil pharma's bottom line, evil elite's agenda to control everything and evil governments's agenda to crush unwanted opinions.
>Meds work
barely and only if you are extremele generous. i'd like to know what they did to earn your generosity because they certainly did not earn mine.
>they're not perfect.
no. not only aren't they perfect, they might be the complete wrong approach. they might be the answer to the wrong question and not even a good answer for the wrong question.
>Meds help patients stabilize
maybe sometimes but more often then not they seem to be empty promises by people who were educated by institutions who should be way farther along what is actually happening.
>they're not a cure.
which is a big reason to disrespect them. in this age cures are hidden because profit is more important then health. i know how to heal shit with nothing but a supermarket. not treat, HEAL. medicine should be obsessed with healing but seems like they are obsessed with treating because that is where the money is.
i regard your general implied respect for the medical profession and it's current methods as misguided given in many places there are little more then money printers. i guess the old proverb holds up: people will not understand things they are paid not to understand.
>BPD succubi are more likely to threaten suicide or cut themselves (inward aggression). BPD men are more likely to abuse substances or get into a physical fight with someone (outward aggression).
sounds like it would align with traditional gender expectation however i have not seen it. might be location based. where i live the succubi are aggressive outward and the men selfharm with food.
>Are you suggesting that psychiatric patients shouldn't take the meds that work for them?
Do they work for them? I'm not denying them completely but it seems to me that mostly they work for evil pharma's bottom line, evil elite's agenda to control everything and evil governments's agenda to crush unwanted opinions.
>Meds work
barely and only if you are extremele generous. i'd like to know what they did to earn your generosity because they certainly did not earn mine.
>they're not perfect.
no. not only aren't they perfect, they might be the complete wrong approach. they might be the answer to the wrong question and not even a good answer for the wrong question.
>Meds help patients stabilize
maybe sometimes but more often then not they seem to be empty promises by people who were educated by institutions who should be way farther along what is actually happening.
>they're not a cure.
which is a big reason to disrespect them. in this age cures are hidden because profit is more important then health. i know how to heal shit with nothing but a supermarket. not treat, HEAL. medicine should be obsessed with healing but seems like they are obsessed with treating because that is where the money is.
i regard your general implied respect for the medical profession and it's current methods as misguided given in many places there are little more then money printers. i guess the old proverb holds up: people will not understand things they are paid not to understand.
>>272792
>Proof nurses are the dumbest motherfuckers on earth
Psychiatric meds help stabilize symptoms, they are not a cure and not every family of meds work for every patient.
Meds can offer stability to some patients, it is selfish to suggest otherwise just because meds have not worked for you. Each patient is responsible of his own stablity, and some meds help for that.
>Proof nurses are the dumbest motherfuckers on earth
Psychiatric meds help stabilize symptoms, they are not a cure and not every family of meds work for every patient.
Meds can offer stability to some patients, it is selfish to suggest otherwise just because meds have not worked for you. Each patient is responsible of his own stablity, and some meds help for that.
>>272793
What meds have you taken, to treat that symptoms, for how much time did you take them? were you using substances in the same time period?
As I've already said before, meds can help some patients. Suggesting otherwise just because they haven't worked for you is selfish and immature.
Someone that struggles with mood swings or psychotic symptoms definitely need meds, it's dangerous to tell patients that struggle with these symptoms to not take their meds.
What meds have you taken, to treat that symptoms, for how much time did you take them? were you using substances in the same time period?
As I've already said before, meds can help some patients. Suggesting otherwise just because they haven't worked for you is selfish and immature.
Someone that struggles with mood swings or psychotic symptoms definitely need meds, it's dangerous to tell patients that struggle with these symptoms to not take their meds.
>>272833
just reading into this topic it's obvious that most doctors and especially psychiatrists are failing to do due diligence and take appropriate tests on this subject. If I was running the psych ward I would probably be giving everyone who walks in the door a combination of multivitamins, neuroprotective supplements and antioxidants after taking a blood test checking the levels of these things. Instead these dopes do procedural tests for intoxication and then to check the blood levels of the pills they've put you on. Most docs when presented with these symptoms will send you to a psychiatrist, and all a psychiatrist knows how to do is give a blanket diagnosis and perscribe you a lifetime of inefficiently targeted drugs that just get cycled until the patient says "that works" ignoring the harms they cause and morover not even trying to treat the underlying problem. It's fucking gay and even with the issue of mass medicine docs could be doing better at very little cost. Meds are bandaids and yet the system thinks doping people up till their neurology underperforms actually fixes the problem
just reading into this topic it's obvious that most doctors and especially psychiatrists are failing to do due diligence and take appropriate tests on this subject. If I was running the psych ward I would probably be giving everyone who walks in the door a combination of multivitamins, neuroprotective supplements and antioxidants after taking a blood test checking the levels of these things. Instead these dopes do procedural tests for intoxication and then to check the blood levels of the pills they've put you on. Most docs when presented with these symptoms will send you to a psychiatrist, and all a psychiatrist knows how to do is give a blanket diagnosis and perscribe you a lifetime of inefficiently targeted drugs that just get cycled until the patient says "that works" ignoring the harms they cause and morover not even trying to treat the underlying problem. It's fucking gay and even with the issue of mass medicine docs could be doing better at very little cost. Meds are bandaids and yet the system thinks doping people up till their neurology underperforms actually fixes the problem
>>272835
>multivitamins, neuroprotective supplements and antioxidants
That won't get rid off or prevent serious symptoms like psychotic breaks or manic episodes, are you insane?
Please explain to us how these "neuroprotective supplements" would help with a psychotic episode on a clinical setting?
>multivitamins, neuroprotective supplements and antioxidants
That won't get rid off or prevent serious symptoms like psychotic breaks or manic episodes, are you insane?
Please explain to us how these "neuroprotective supplements" would help with a psychotic episode on a clinical setting?
>>272837
>psychosis
NAC, magnesium, niacin, DHA, an antihistamine, possibly 5-htp and get the zinc-copper levels checked. Almost certainly would lessen symptoms and have a neuroprotective function. I'd also eliminate common food allergies.
>Mania
don't know as much about it but related to the calcium channels
People have been treating mental illness with supplements for years, Orthomolecular medicine. https://www.walshinstitute.org/nutrient-power.html
>psychosis
NAC, magnesium, niacin, DHA, an antihistamine, possibly 5-htp and get the zinc-copper levels checked. Almost certainly would lessen symptoms and have a neuroprotective function. I'd also eliminate common food allergies.
>Mania
don't know as much about it but related to the calcium channels
People have been treating mental illness with supplements for years, Orthomolecular medicine. https://www.walshinstitute.org/nutrient-power.html
>>272838
Some wacky supplements won't get rid of severe psychiatric symptoms, not even meds can entirely get rid of them. If mental health was improved by these wacky supplements, resources would be invested towards using them.
Some wacky supplements won't get rid of severe psychiatric symptoms, not even meds can entirely get rid of them. If mental health was improved by these wacky supplements, resources would be invested towards using them.
>>272850
all of those particular supplements are evidence-based and would probably have a significant value in dealing with psychiatric patients. There's very big money in selling drugs and these are the companies funding trials and that's why psych nurses like yourself have obviously never heard about alternative therapies
>"I trust pharma"
>"I believed the serotonin theory of depression"
>"It's just a chemical imbalance in your brain bro, it's uncurable"
>The Dopamine theory of psychosis is still prevailing despite several other prominent pathologies including serotonin and glutamate having about as much evidence
https://www.amazon.com/Zyprexa-Papers-Jim-Gottstein-ebook/dp/B0838YYYWV
etc
all of those particular supplements are evidence-based and would probably have a significant value in dealing with psychiatric patients. There's very big money in selling drugs and these are the companies funding trials and that's why psych nurses like yourself have obviously never heard about alternative therapies
>"I trust pharma"
>"I believed the serotonin theory of depression"
>"It's just a chemical imbalance in your brain bro, it's uncurable"
>The Dopamine theory of psychosis is still prevailing despite several other prominent pathologies including serotonin and glutamate having about as much evidence
https://www.amazon.com/Zyprexa-Papers-Jim-Gottstein-ebook/dp/B0838YYYWV
etc
>>272851
>"I trust pharma"
I am not advocating for pharmacies. You're just spouting conspiracy theorist nonsense.
Psychiatric meds are needed, specially in clinical settings (i.e. actively psychotic patients in a psych ward need anti-psychotics). If some wacky supplements prevented or mitigated psychiatric symptoms, resources would be invested towards using them more.
Again, I've said this many times already, meds won't cure psychiatric illness, but they help stabilize symptoms.
>"I trust pharma"
I am not advocating for pharmacies. You're just spouting conspiracy theorist nonsense.
Psychiatric meds are needed, specially in clinical settings (i.e. actively psychotic patients in a psych ward need anti-psychotics). If some wacky supplements prevented or mitigated psychiatric symptoms, resources would be invested towards using them more.
Again, I've said this many times already, meds won't cure psychiatric illness, but they help stabilize symptoms.
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I cannot understate how brutal BPD is to experience OP and suggest you try practice mindfulness and DBT as the other wiz said however I think you should brace yourself for NOTHING helping alleviate the symptoms. I went head first into extreme ascetic/meditation so I could better handle the repeated rogue waves of BPD shaking my boat and came to the conclusion it does not matter the slightest to have any "control" because having to spend every moment watching and scrutinizing myself in 3rd person or whathaveyou continually is equally as taxing as just having my emotions flipping around radically unfettered albeit without the self harm and substance abuse.
The other poster mentioned being solitary helps and I agree wholeheartedly but stress the hermit approach will not banish the entire BPD entourage and only reduce some major triggers.
BTW turds whom poo poo BPD as being a meme :( You should be smart enough to realize that quacks are 99% memeLORDS befitting a soft cuck "science" and not doubting that others can be debilitated by this scourge. Is it our fault that these retards diagnose dime a dozen whores with the same personality disorder that ruins out lives?
>>272778
Preach.
Fasting is the closest thing to a panacea we have in this life and helps with pretty much everything. forget no FAP do no FOOD.
NEWSFLASH!! that thing you retards call hunger is either Habit or more likely blood sugar levels dropping. learn your body and fast to keep as sane as possible squares (or should I say circles hehe)
The other poster mentioned being solitary helps and I agree wholeheartedly but stress the hermit approach will not banish the entire BPD entourage and only reduce some major triggers.
BTW turds whom poo poo BPD as being a meme :( You should be smart enough to realize that quacks are 99% memeLORDS befitting a soft cuck "science" and not doubting that others can be debilitated by this scourge. Is it our fault that these retards diagnose dime a dozen whores with the same personality disorder that ruins out lives?
>>272778
Preach.
Fasting is the closest thing to a panacea we have in this life and helps with pretty much everything. forget no FAP do no FOOD.
NEWSFLASH!! that thing you retards call hunger is either Habit or more likely blood sugar levels dropping. learn your body and fast to keep as sane as possible squares (or should I say circles hehe)
>>272834
>What meds have you taken
i'm healthy i don't take silly pharmaceutical products, i do everything i can not to be a guinea pig of modern profit-driven medicine. i know how people get fucked up, i know most of the traps and i simply refuse to step in them. you could call it prevention but it is more. it's preventing harm with my entire life.
>As I've already said before, meds can help some patients. Suggesting otherwise just because they haven't worked for you is selfish and immature.
or maybe they don't and you just tell everybody that chemically lobotomizing some people is helping them and if they don't agree you label them selfish because that's what the HR lady told you to say when people grow suspicious about what you do for money.
>it's dangerous to tell patients that struggle with these symptoms to not take their meds.
maybe. maybe not. maybe not as dangerous as taking these pills. what you call stabilizing somebody's mood might just be destroying that person.
when they say they stabilize a country they often mean destroying stuff and murdering people so maybe that's what you actually mean.
i dunno you don't seem very innocent to me. if you did some shit that turned out to be evil you wouldn't mind as long as it paid your bills.
>What meds have you taken
i'm healthy i don't take silly pharmaceutical products, i do everything i can not to be a guinea pig of modern profit-driven medicine. i know how people get fucked up, i know most of the traps and i simply refuse to step in them. you could call it prevention but it is more. it's preventing harm with my entire life.
>As I've already said before, meds can help some patients. Suggesting otherwise just because they haven't worked for you is selfish and immature.
or maybe they don't and you just tell everybody that chemically lobotomizing some people is helping them and if they don't agree you label them selfish because that's what the HR lady told you to say when people grow suspicious about what you do for money.
>it's dangerous to tell patients that struggle with these symptoms to not take their meds.
maybe. maybe not. maybe not as dangerous as taking these pills. what you call stabilizing somebody's mood might just be destroying that person.
when they say they stabilize a country they often mean destroying stuff and murdering people so maybe that's what you actually mean.
i dunno you don't seem very innocent to me. if you did some shit that turned out to be evil you wouldn't mind as long as it paid your bills.
>>272835
>not even trying to treat the underlying problem.
my guess is if you worked in such a place you would get excellent results. people would become healthier and their symptoms would reflect that and once the wrong person got wind of you actually helping people and get them healthier, some way would be found to get you out of that job so that the flow of capital is no longer inhibited and the focus would return of using the situation to maximize some evil investors profit.
hypocratic oath my ass.
>not even trying to treat the underlying problem.
my guess is if you worked in such a place you would get excellent results. people would become healthier and their symptoms would reflect that and once the wrong person got wind of you actually helping people and get them healthier, some way would be found to get you out of that job so that the flow of capital is no longer inhibited and the focus would return of using the situation to maximize some evil investors profit.
hypocratic oath my ass.
>>272850
>resources would be invested towards using them.
not if they were widely available and cheap to produce because there is no profit in that.
>resources would be invested towards using them.
not if they were widely available and cheap to produce because there is no profit in that.
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>>272852
>conspiracy theorist nonsense
excuse me you deem to have already forgotten how much what was labeled conspiracy theory and then just weeks later became fact.
you don't get to dismiss something as conspiracy theory anymore. that is no longer one of your options, you are no longer allowed to do that. that is over. find a new way to deal with stuff that is inconvenient for you.
the time of calling people conspiracy theorists is over.
>conspiracy theorist nonsense
excuse me you deem to have already forgotten how much what was labeled conspiracy theory and then just weeks later became fact.
you don't get to dismiss something as conspiracy theory anymore. that is no longer one of your options, you are no longer allowed to do that. that is over. find a new way to deal with stuff that is inconvenient for you.
the time of calling people conspiracy theorists is over.
>>272878
I think it's an issue of resources and money. If a patient shows up in emergency, which is the normal pathway for recognizing mental illness, they're just not going to be given a full treatment commensurate to the level of illness they are showing. This guy is clearly thinking of serious mental illnesses cases and stopping the acute phase of the problem. The issue is that once the acute phase is stopped they still have people on very powerful band-aid pills that alter neurochemistry, indefinitely. Their understanding on this topic is "brain broken lmao deal with it inpatient" when we should be able to do much better. The brain does have the ability to heal itself for TBI, I don't see why it shouldn't be able to recover from neuropsychiatric injury with the appropriate level of care
I think it's an issue of resources and money. If a patient shows up in emergency, which is the normal pathway for recognizing mental illness, they're just not going to be given a full treatment commensurate to the level of illness they are showing. This guy is clearly thinking of serious mental illnesses cases and stopping the acute phase of the problem. The issue is that once the acute phase is stopped they still have people on very powerful band-aid pills that alter neurochemistry, indefinitely. Their understanding on this topic is "brain broken lmao deal with it inpatient" when we should be able to do much better. The brain does have the ability to heal itself for TBI, I don't see why it shouldn't be able to recover from neuropsychiatric injury with the appropriate level of care
>>272876
>Fasting is the closest thing to a panacea we have in this life
yeah. with a busy digestion system the body can not regenerate. when animals get hurt in the wild they rest and don't eat. the body has built-in regeneration that can not happen when the busy process of digestion is monopolizing all the resources.
>Fasting is the closest thing to a panacea we have in this life
yeah. with a busy digestion system the body can not regenerate. when animals get hurt in the wild they rest and don't eat. the body has built-in regeneration that can not happen when the busy process of digestion is monopolizing all the resources.
>>272882
>post some sauces
my favorite is:
3 tomatos
1 small onion
1 clove of garlic
1 teaspoon oregano
1 teaspoon rosemary
splash of water
salt
pepper
tahini to taste
just throw anything in a small blender for 30 seconds.
>post some sauces
my favorite is:
3 tomatos
1 small onion
1 clove of garlic
1 teaspoon oregano
1 teaspoon rosemary
splash of water
salt
pepper
tahini to taste
just throw anything in a small blender for 30 seconds.
The problem with antipsychotics is that they alter the dopamine system, and the dopamine system is responsible for a huge range of human behavior. Motivation, Metabolic function etc…. look at the supposed negative symptoms of schizophrenia, they're actually just symptoms of low dopamine.
>>272883
>I don't see why it shouldn't be able to recover from neuropsychiatric injury with the appropriate level of care
so far i have not encountered this in any medical context but i believe in the future (once science finally gets around to it, now that science is no longer the cutting edge but always just playing catch-up with what the smart people already know) they will be able to give a person a score how good the person can regenerate and based on that they could (in theory) make decisions on how much medication somebody needs, if any. since this reduces the profits of overmedication, no effort will remain undone to stop it.
>I don't see why it shouldn't be able to recover from neuropsychiatric injury with the appropriate level of care
so far i have not encountered this in any medical context but i believe in the future (once science finally gets around to it, now that science is no longer the cutting edge but always just playing catch-up with what the smart people already know) they will be able to give a person a score how good the person can regenerate and based on that they could (in theory) make decisions on how much medication somebody needs, if any. since this reduces the profits of overmedication, no effort will remain undone to stop it.
>>272886
>actually just symptoms of low dopamine.
this is exactly the common misconception that nudges medical thinking along the path of believing in chemical imbalances that then pharmaceutical products are the answer to.
>actually just symptoms of low dopamine.
this is exactly the common misconception that nudges medical thinking along the path of believing in chemical imbalances that then pharmaceutical products are the answer to.
>>272886
antipsychotics are like chemotherapy for brain sickness. I hate that you get force fed them in psych wards and have to take them so you can get out.
>>272888
This is very true. The entire idea of chemical imbalance being the cause of mental illness is flawed and upon that false assumption people jump to chemical cocktails. what gets me is how people blindly accept the authority of everyone within the psych field. People act as if psychologists cast magic spells on people and talking to one magically cures people and want tax payers to foot the bill for it.
antipsychotics are like chemotherapy for brain sickness. I hate that you get force fed them in psych wards and have to take them so you can get out.
>>272888
This is very true. The entire idea of chemical imbalance being the cause of mental illness is flawed and upon that false assumption people jump to chemical cocktails. what gets me is how people blindly accept the authority of everyone within the psych field. People act as if psychologists cast magic spells on people and talking to one magically cures people and want tax payers to foot the bill for it.
https://hbmag.com/7-supplements-essential-for-recovery-from-traumatic-brain-injury/
-Omega-3's cause an "anti-inflammatory environment necessary for reducing brain swelling" but also repair the brain physically
-mct same deal
-vit d3, everybody is deficient in this
-probiotics, because gut bacteria balance is vital for neurotransmitter production and this is probably where the actual "imbalance" is coming from
-glutathione aka NAC neuroprotective antioxidant whose effects are obvious, also inv
-magnesium, everybody is deficient in this and it's a vital neurotransmitter
-BCAA's, they make up your brain
Not mentioned:
Niacin - turns into NAD+ which reverses dna damage and repairs the brain
b-complex - helps deal with homocystine levels which are elevated in psychosis but probably all mental disorders
5-htp/st john's wort - reduces dopamine without antipsychotic side effects, promotes neurogenesis
water - the one thing anon got right on this topic, drinking ample water is neuroprotective
ibuprofen - reduces brain inflammation which is associated with psychos
heavy metal chelators and detoxifying agents - obvious utility
etc. Many of these treatments have been tested and found to have a varying level of effectiveness. at a higher dosage over a long term as a proactive treatment for brain damage there's probably good utility. At the very least it's worth trying and I doubt much research has been doe on the topic
-Omega-3's cause an "anti-inflammatory environment necessary for reducing brain swelling" but also repair the brain physically
-mct same deal
-vit d3, everybody is deficient in this
-probiotics, because gut bacteria balance is vital for neurotransmitter production and this is probably where the actual "imbalance" is coming from
-glutathione aka NAC neuroprotective antioxidant whose effects are obvious, also inv
-magnesium, everybody is deficient in this and it's a vital neurotransmitter
-BCAA's, they make up your brain
Not mentioned:
Niacin - turns into NAD+ which reverses dna damage and repairs the brain
b-complex - helps deal with homocystine levels which are elevated in psychosis but probably all mental disorders
5-htp/st john's wort - reduces dopamine without antipsychotic side effects, promotes neurogenesis
water - the one thing anon got right on this topic, drinking ample water is neuroprotective
ibuprofen - reduces brain inflammation which is associated with psychos
heavy metal chelators and detoxifying agents - obvious utility
etc. Many of these treatments have been tested and found to have a varying level of effectiveness. at a higher dosage over a long term as a proactive treatment for brain damage there's probably good utility. At the very least it's worth trying and I doubt much research has been doe on the topic
>>272890
>what gets me is how people blindly accept the authority
working in medicine is basically being a soldier.
when whatever medial oversight organ is detecting that you as a doctor or even just a nurse are doing something they don't like, then irregardless of how demonstrably effective and harmless it is, they reserve the right to take away your license regardless. they believe themselves to be the science and if you disagree they simply change one variable in a spreadsheet and you are no longer allowed to practice.
sucks for nurses who spend years becoming a nurse, sucks even more for doctors who might have spend a decade or more of learning something that they are only allowed to work if some sadistic drillsergeant likes them.
is just a shit system.
>what gets me is how people blindly accept the authority
working in medicine is basically being a soldier.
when whatever medial oversight organ is detecting that you as a doctor or even just a nurse are doing something they don't like, then irregardless of how demonstrably effective and harmless it is, they reserve the right to take away your license regardless. they believe themselves to be the science and if you disagree they simply change one variable in a spreadsheet and you are no longer allowed to practice.
sucks for nurses who spend years becoming a nurse, sucks even more for doctors who might have spend a decade or more of learning something that they are only allowed to work if some sadistic drillsergeant likes them.
is just a shit system.
>>272893
Law's like that as well. Super pozzed regulatory board, intentionally secretive selection process so they can screen you politically and then claim it was gpa, and because the laws are all political now they can disbar you just for doing wrongthink in public. Creative destruction leninist style has got to happen soon baby
Law's like that as well. Super pozzed regulatory board, intentionally secretive selection process so they can screen you politically and then claim it was gpa, and because the laws are all political now they can disbar you just for doing wrongthink in public. Creative destruction leninist style has got to happen soon baby
>>272750
Hey stupid fuck imagine living in a place where you see addicts passed out and lying on the ground (in a first world country). Annoying fucking homeless who beg for money for lottery tickets every time you come out of a store
>>272897
What do you have against unbridled destructive hedonism? being homeless is wizardly anyway a lot of us have been or are very close because of mental illness.
I bet you are a crab and not a wiz because you hate mentally ill people and wizards are seen as mentally ill
What do you have against unbridled destructive hedonism? being homeless is wizardly anyway a lot of us have been or are very close because of mental illness.
I bet you are a crab and not a wiz because you hate mentally ill people and wizards are seen as mentally ill
>>272898
Have you ever seen these fucks in the wild? They are extroverted mega normies. You remind me of a liberal whos never dealt with a nigger.
>>272882
>you should now doctors throw them at everyone
Anti-psychotics are heavy medications, doctors do not prescribe them to patients that don't require them. They come with guaranteed side effects that doctors and patients should monitor.
>it blows my mind that people take antipsychotics when not psychotic or bipolar
This proves you don't know how anti-psychotics work, why they're used or how different dosages target different symptoms. I don't understand why you demonize something you don't completely understand. Not only that, you're suggesting that some holistic supplements would actually do a better job.
I actually hate taking anti-psychotics and I don't take mine for personal reasons, but saying that they don't work is nonsense.
>you should now doctors throw them at everyone
Anti-psychotics are heavy medications, doctors do not prescribe them to patients that don't require them. They come with guaranteed side effects that doctors and patients should monitor.
>it blows my mind that people take antipsychotics when not psychotic or bipolar
This proves you don't know how anti-psychotics work, why they're used or how different dosages target different symptoms. I don't understand why you demonize something you don't completely understand. Not only that, you're suggesting that some holistic supplements would actually do a better job.
I actually hate taking anti-psychotics and I don't take mine for personal reasons, but saying that they don't work is nonsense.
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>>272877
>i'm healthy i don't take silly pharmaceutical products
Since you're healthy and don't struggle with mental illness, why are you making such radical conspiracy theorist comments about something irrelevant to you?
>or maybe they don't and you just tell everybody that chemically lobotomizing some people is helping them and if they don't agree you label them selfish
There's a wide array of psychiatric meds, the patients that take anti-psychotics for life are few.
>i'm healthy i don't take silly pharmaceutical products
Since you're healthy and don't struggle with mental illness, why are you making such radical conspiracy theorist comments about something irrelevant to you?
>or maybe they don't and you just tell everybody that chemically lobotomizing some people is helping them and if they don't agree you label them selfish
There's a wide array of psychiatric meds, the patients that take anti-psychotics for life are few.
>>272903
>why are you lying
Anti-psychotics are sent to patients that deal with treatment resistant depression, mood swings, manic episodes or psychotic symptoms. A responsible doctor won't prescribe anti-psychotics to a patient right away, unless there's psychotic or manic symptoms.
Patients should educate themselves on when anti-psychotics are needed, irresponsible doctors exist too.
>why are you lying
Anti-psychotics are sent to patients that deal with treatment resistant depression, mood swings, manic episodes or psychotic symptoms. A responsible doctor won't prescribe anti-psychotics to a patient right away, unless there's psychotic or manic symptoms.
Patients should educate themselves on when anti-psychotics are needed, irresponsible doctors exist too.
>>272905
I was convinced I was pregnant some months ago despite being a wiz and I still don't take that poison. Why are you such a quack apologist? Anti psychotics are given out widely especially with pressure from above to limit benzo prescription.
>>272904
I am "ill" and I do not take any medication at the moment. self medicating with psychedelics has helped me more than your jew pills ever have or will.
I was convinced I was pregnant some months ago despite being a wiz and I still don't take that poison. Why are you such a quack apologist? Anti psychotics are given out widely especially with pressure from above to limit benzo prescription.
>>272904
I am "ill" and I do not take any medication at the moment. self medicating with psychedelics has helped me more than your jew pills ever have or will.
>>272910
>Why are you such a quack apologist?
Because I know wacks like you IRL, been inpatient before. Being around patients that don't want to take their meds is tiresome. Hearing crazy justifications to not take meds is tiresome too.
This board is full of other loonies that might read your comments and interpret them as if they shouldn't take their meds.
>Why are you such a quack apologist?
Because I know wacks like you IRL, been inpatient before. Being around patients that don't want to take their meds is tiresome. Hearing crazy justifications to not take meds is tiresome too.
This board is full of other loonies that might read your comments and interpret them as if they shouldn't take their meds.
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>>272915
not even trying to hide it anymore are you
I am not a wack I agree that schizophrenics should take antipsychotics but I am fine and others who do not need them to balance their mood are fine.
not even trying to hide it anymore are you
I am not a wack I agree that schizophrenics should take antipsychotics but I am fine and others who do not need them to balance their mood are fine.
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>>272916
>I am perfectly healthy, I don't need meds
>I will tell you why sugar pills are better to treat mental health
I know that's bullshit by the way, if you were perfectly healthy you wouldn't be on /dep/ spouting conspiracy nonsense.
>I am perfectly healthy, I don't need meds
>I will tell you why sugar pills are better to treat mental health
I know that's bullshit by the way, if you were perfectly healthy you wouldn't be on /dep/ spouting conspiracy nonsense.
>>272917
>misrepresenting my argument
if you think it is a conspiracy to point out that antipsychotics are over prescribed you are just ick
bought shares did you?
>misrepresenting my argument
if you think it is a conspiracy to point out that antipsychotics are over prescribed you are just ick
bought shares did you?
>>272954
Because psychiatric patients do not comply with taking their meds, that includes meds that are not anti-psychotics.
Why do you have such radical and vocal opinions about something you supposedly don't struggle with, have you ever been in a ward? Have you met other psychiatric patients IRL? What makes you think you have a better grasp of things compared to doctors and other actual patients that been inpatient before?
Because psychiatric patients do not comply with taking their meds, that includes meds that are not anti-psychotics.
Why do you have such radical and vocal opinions about something you supposedly don't struggle with, have you ever been in a ward? Have you met other psychiatric patients IRL? What makes you think you have a better grasp of things compared to doctors and other actual patients that been inpatient before?
>>272969
oh good afternoon mister albert bourla, how nice of you to grace wiz with your presence. how are the stocks? still strong after the forced vaccination campaign?
oh good afternoon mister albert bourla, how nice of you to grace wiz with your presence. how are the stocks? still strong after the forced vaccination campaign?
>>272969
Why don't they comply? Is it because the brain-cell (bracrabl) killing pills make you sick and suicidal?
Why don't they comply? Is it because the brain-cell (bracrabl) killing pills make you sick and suicidal?
I'd like to point out mishter medanon was claiming those supps I recommended would have no effect on a psychotic patient but I've now found direct mention of ALA as a tool for preventing oxidation in dopamine receptors thereby preventing the brain shrinkage associated with excitation. These fuckin people don't even read the literature, they get a med textbook that says: MEDS and then get thrown into a war where they do that 24 hours a day because they don't know any better
>>272902
I got prescribed an anti-psycotic to "potentiate the effect of my snris". I have no psycotic symptoms.
I got prescribed an anti-psycotic to "potentiate the effect of my snris". I have no psycotic symptoms.