I wonder how many of you can relate to this and I'm sure it's probably something that only concerns the most isolated among us.
All my life I've been waiting for 'life' to happen not realizing that im already in it. As a child I thought I'm gonna be having friends and that I'm gonna do stuff but I didn't seem to care that all the other kids were already doing that every day, they were socializing and doing things while I was at home playing games on the family computer wondering when all that friend stuff will come for me. During my teens I was pretty much still a child mentally because of my undevelopment while the other kids in class already cared about sex and had ambitions in something. Everyone had something they were pursuing even the unpopular kids who got ocassonally bullied had some sort of passion that they followed even if it was just a game while I was still trying to figure out who I was, longing for experiences that I should have made years ago. This pretty much stayed the same until I became an adult and I spent all my 20s being lost and having the emotional/social understanding of a teenager. I never pursued anything, didn't learn anything and I never had a circle of friends once. I also fell into the therapy rabbit hole for a long time and tried a lot of other things in an effort to change which all didn't work and I'm starting to be sure that if I would have been able to change anything I would have done it.
Almost 30 years have passed and nothing changed in life, I got a bit more mature over the years but anything else stayed the same. I waited on the most basic things to happen just to realize that I've been too retarded to experience them.
All my life I've been waiting for 'life' to happen not realizing that im already in it. As a child I thought I'm gonna be having friends and that I'm gonna do stuff but I didn't seem to care that all the other kids were already doing that every day, they were socializing and doing things while I was at home playing games on the family computer wondering when all that friend stuff will come for me. During my teens I was pretty much still a child mentally because of my undevelopment while the other kids in class already cared about sex and had ambitions in something. Everyone had something they were pursuing even the unpopular kids who got ocassonally bullied had some sort of passion that they followed even if it was just a game while I was still trying to figure out who I was, longing for experiences that I should have made years ago. This pretty much stayed the same until I became an adult and I spent all my 20s being lost and having the emotional/social understanding of a teenager. I never pursued anything, didn't learn anything and I never had a circle of friends once. I also fell into the therapy rabbit hole for a long time and tried a lot of other things in an effort to change which all didn't work and I'm starting to be sure that if I would have been able to change anything I would have done it.
Almost 30 years have passed and nothing changed in life, I got a bit more mature over the years but anything else stayed the same. I waited on the most basic things to happen just to realize that I've been too retarded to experience them.
Yeah this is my story, I always thought I was in the prelude, and then i wake up in my 30s and that WAS life.
I only want to clarify that "waiting" might convey the idea that I was passive about it. But I was actively trying to better my life, taking on challenges. but its all piss in the wind. did no good
I only want to clarify that "waiting" might convey the idea that I was passive about it. But I was actively trying to better my life, taking on challenges. but its all piss in the wind. did no good
>>278416
>I only want to clarify that "waiting" might convey the idea that I was passive about it. But I was actively trying to better my life, taking on challenges. but its all piss in the wind
This was my experience as well. I tried things from research to therapy or trying to force myself into situations and nothing improved anything but rather added more problems. I also start to think that a lot of this is just gaslighting by normies who cant possibly comprehend the concept of being retarded. Normies can literally go to prison for decades or be addicted to heroin for years and still get back on track afterwards but if you are a retard you never had a chance to know what being normal is in the first place.
Especially when it comes to social development there is not much an adult can do. Normies think that you are just shy or not talking enough to people when in all actuality the whole concept of socialization is abstract to you. You also can't make essential developmental experiences you've missed out on because you're an adult. It feels like trying to gain speed on a highway while sitting on a skateboard because even if you manage to improve a bit it will take a shitload of effort to maintain it while a normal person can just ride through on cruise control.
>I only want to clarify that "waiting" might convey the idea that I was passive about it. But I was actively trying to better my life, taking on challenges. but its all piss in the wind
This was my experience as well. I tried things from research to therapy or trying to force myself into situations and nothing improved anything but rather added more problems. I also start to think that a lot of this is just gaslighting by normies who cant possibly comprehend the concept of being retarded. Normies can literally go to prison for decades or be addicted to heroin for years and still get back on track afterwards but if you are a retard you never had a chance to know what being normal is in the first place.
Especially when it comes to social development there is not much an adult can do. Normies think that you are just shy or not talking enough to people when in all actuality the whole concept of socialization is abstract to you. You also can't make essential developmental experiences you've missed out on because you're an adult. It feels like trying to gain speed on a highway while sitting on a skateboard because even if you manage to improve a bit it will take a shitload of effort to maintain it while a normal person can just ride through on cruise control.
>>278423
So you did pursue and learn some things on your twenties right? Perhaps a start would be reframing how you think about that time, and what you did in it. I know it's frustrating. I'm basically the same.
Now trying to work out what to do in my thirties. It often just feels like hitting my head into a brick wall. But I think it's going to be quite different, I hope (!), In some ways anyway.
No friend group for me either. And after reading too much depressing stuff I feel like I did nothing. However, in reality I did quite a lot of useful good stuff in my twenties - just like 95% of it was alone l, so cognitively it makes it v.difficult to think about positively sometimes.
So you did pursue and learn some things on your twenties right? Perhaps a start would be reframing how you think about that time, and what you did in it. I know it's frustrating. I'm basically the same.
Now trying to work out what to do in my thirties. It often just feels like hitting my head into a brick wall. But I think it's going to be quite different, I hope (!), In some ways anyway.
No friend group for me either. And after reading too much depressing stuff I feel like I did nothing. However, in reality I did quite a lot of useful good stuff in my twenties - just like 95% of it was alone l, so cognitively it makes it v.difficult to think about positively sometimes.
>>278414
Not knowing if you're still here OP, but I would say that it's probably best if you could accept the irregular course of your life for what it has been without comparing it with the outwardly more normal lives of others. You will draw strength from yourself if you can do this. What in yourself is worthy of being insulted? If you are healthy and castellated in your mind, you will answer nothing. There is no-one who will affirm back to you that you are okay if not yourself.
Not knowing if you're still here OP, but I would say that it's probably best if you could accept the irregular course of your life for what it has been without comparing it with the outwardly more normal lives of others. You will draw strength from yourself if you can do this. What in yourself is worthy of being insulted? If you are healthy and castellated in your mind, you will answer nothing. There is no-one who will affirm back to you that you are okay if not yourself.
I feel like I'm bored watching a movie in an incomprehensible language where characters just talk. It's already been about 40 minutes of the movie and more than waiting for something to happen or understand something I just want it to finish.
I don't longer remember what I was supposed to be waiting for.
I don't longer remember what I was supposed to be waiting for.
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I wonder if you've seen this before. Funnily enough I watched this show years ago and despite relating with the message did nothing to avoid this fate.
>>278978
The problem with this image is that everyone interprets it wrong. They are deluded not because they work shit jobs and drink and gamble, but because they don't believe it's real. Live your shit life, realize that your life can't and shouldn't be someone else's, if it's not good enough for you then change it.
The problem with this image is that everyone interprets it wrong. They are deluded not because they work shit jobs and drink and gamble, but because they don't believe it's real. Live your shit life, realize that your life can't and shouldn't be someone else's, if it's not good enough for you then change it.
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>>278978
Man Ilove Kaiji too. Watched it in my early 20s as well, yet here I am, 30, and with chronic fatigue that may or may not go away. Anon, if you're here chances are you are not older than 35. It's not too late, Anon. As bad as it is, it is not over for us, it is ALMOST over, but not fully over yet.
The one thing that may be too late for due to how it works, is relationships. Professional, personal, romantic. Everyone's already paired up. Not talking about romance here even.
I should read up on other Fukumoto works, I've seen anons mention the main Kaiji manga took an even darker turn. That it even made one of the unofficial translators turn his back on it because it was too degenerate or something. Absolute lmao.
Man Ilove Kaiji too. Watched it in my early 20s as well, yet here I am, 30, and with chronic fatigue that may or may not go away. Anon, if you're here chances are you are not older than 35. It's not too late, Anon. As bad as it is, it is not over for us, it is ALMOST over, but not fully over yet.
The one thing that may be too late for due to how it works, is relationships. Professional, personal, romantic. Everyone's already paired up. Not talking about romance here even.
I should read up on other Fukumoto works, I've seen anons mention the main Kaiji manga took an even darker turn. That it even made one of the unofficial translators turn his back on it because it was too degenerate or something. Absolute lmao.
Everyone has a flow. The flow is the way of life that costs you the absolute minimal conscious energy. Without overcoming the flow your life will likely go exactly as you think short of powerful external chaos like disaster and coercion. It's like a waking-dream state. It's not ignorance, you'll just be too immersed in the activities and chores and opinions and feelings of the day to day to notice how railroaded it is. It takes the discomfort of willing yourself into unknown patterns to step outside the flow temporarily and maybe alter it. It's the type of decisions that before you make them you find yourself arguing with yourself for 30 minutes suddenly having 50 reasons not to do it right on hand.
There is no fulfillment found outside of your flow per se, it's just that there exist options there beyond what you will actually seriously consider at any given moment and it's difficult to really arrive at them without third party input. Not impossible, just difficult.
For example, the attempts to change and improve can easily be without the foundation of a good orientation, which is essentially you subconsciously setting yourself up to fail from the get go. Thinking within the limits of the flow often causes this as the flow is very attached to the familiar. If the problem is truly that you "wait for life", then the solution is obviously instead to simply go live it and try things you'd want to do and experience as there is nothing stopping you from making these attempts. Almost obnoxiously simple, but have you done so yet? I'd like to hear what the latest thing you went and tried was like.
There is no fulfillment found outside of your flow per se, it's just that there exist options there beyond what you will actually seriously consider at any given moment and it's difficult to really arrive at them without third party input. Not impossible, just difficult.
For example, the attempts to change and improve can easily be without the foundation of a good orientation, which is essentially you subconsciously setting yourself up to fail from the get go. Thinking within the limits of the flow often causes this as the flow is very attached to the familiar. If the problem is truly that you "wait for life", then the solution is obviously instead to simply go live it and try things you'd want to do and experience as there is nothing stopping you from making these attempts. Almost obnoxiously simple, but have you done so yet? I'd like to hear what the latest thing you went and tried was like.
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>>279030
I like your line of thinking, Anon. Lately as I've fallen ill with some chronic disease fatigue thing, I've been thinking a lot about the role of energy and "stress" (which now I view as simply an inability to meet energetic demands) in an individuals life. All life and systems seem to tend towards centralization, optimization and energy conservation. Which is ironically a cause of longterm misery because change is the only constant. Reality can be fucked up, feels almost like Hell when you think about it. Before you know it you've dug yourself in a hole without even chance for external input, and then you die.
Did your thoughts on 'flow' come from Daoism? I don't know much about it, but the few I've read seems rather attractive, something I can actually try following. im not op by the way
I like your line of thinking, Anon. Lately as I've fallen ill with some chronic disease fatigue thing, I've been thinking a lot about the role of energy and "stress" (which now I view as simply an inability to meet energetic demands) in an individuals life. All life and systems seem to tend towards centralization, optimization and energy conservation. Which is ironically a cause of longterm misery because change is the only constant. Reality can be fucked up, feels almost like Hell when you think about it. Before you know it you've dug yourself in a hole without even chance for external input, and then you die.
Did your thoughts on 'flow' come from Daoism? I don't know much about it, but the few I've read seems rather attractive, something I can actually try following. im not op by the way
I hate to say it but in retrospective isolating myself was the biggest mistake ever.
I've been reading the biographies of some artists and businessmen and what I realized was that knowing people is insanely important. Being alone is such an insane disadvantage you would have to be a super genius to overcome it. So many times opportunities opened up to these people just because they knew someone. Someone showed them something new, offered them a job, helped them out with their specific expertise…
Once you isolate yourself its easy to lose structure and make weeks pass by without noticing it.
I've been reading the biographies of some artists and businessmen and what I realized was that knowing people is insanely important. Being alone is such an insane disadvantage you would have to be a super genius to overcome it. So many times opportunities opened up to these people just because they knew someone. Someone showed them something new, offered them a job, helped them out with their specific expertise…
Once you isolate yourself its easy to lose structure and make weeks pass by without noticing it.
>>279121
boomers started the culture of isolatation. they got their boomer house and wife young; then just sat around the house for the rest of their lives.
it's hard for kids to break that cycle if they were raised by staying at home and watching tv.
also, if people experienced only negatives from society; you can blame them for retreating from it
boomers started the culture of isolatation. they got their boomer house and wife young; then just sat around the house for the rest of their lives.
it's hard for kids to break that cycle if they were raised by staying at home and watching tv.
also, if people experienced only negatives from society; you can blame them for retreating from it
>>279122
I can very much relate to this. My parents were both the boomer types who had money but no friends and they never taught me the value of networking or socializing in general. I grew up with the delusion that I just need to be good at something to proceed not realizing that networking is a necessary tool to move forward with almost anything. My brother is a very talented person who had several opportunities to connect with well known artists and he kept fucking it up because he didn't know how to properly network which is a shame because he's in his 30s now with mediocre success because he missed the train of opportunities several times. I also met a few people who could have given me job opportunities and I messed it up by being an autistic retard who didn't know what time it was.
I really felt it when Sam Hyde said that nowadays for people in their 20s the only percious ressource they have is time and if you don't take opportunities and get distracted by bullshit it will turn into a river of gold that just flows past you and that's how my life feels like since my 20s ended.
If you are unable to properly socialize you're fucked because you don't belong to the 0.05% of people who got lucky enough to have some person in their life who took them under their wings no matter how retarded they are, that's just extremely rare.
I can very much relate to this. My parents were both the boomer types who had money but no friends and they never taught me the value of networking or socializing in general. I grew up with the delusion that I just need to be good at something to proceed not realizing that networking is a necessary tool to move forward with almost anything. My brother is a very talented person who had several opportunities to connect with well known artists and he kept fucking it up because he didn't know how to properly network which is a shame because he's in his 30s now with mediocre success because he missed the train of opportunities several times. I also met a few people who could have given me job opportunities and I messed it up by being an autistic retard who didn't know what time it was.
I really felt it when Sam Hyde said that nowadays for people in their 20s the only percious ressource they have is time and if you don't take opportunities and get distracted by bullshit it will turn into a river of gold that just flows past you and that's how my life feels like since my 20s ended.
If you are unable to properly socialize you're fucked because you don't belong to the 0.05% of people who got lucky enough to have some person in their life who took them under their wings no matter how retarded they are, that's just extremely rare.
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>>279071
Thanks, I don't have a chronic disease myself exactly, but I have been genetically cursed with inefficient energy use. Like a permanent fuel leak. So I quickly arrived at the life-ruling power of energy conservation as well. The word "flow" itself may have come from Daoism, but I avidly avoid really reading into ideology and ideas like that. It has the same effect as astrology where you'll overlap your own experience onto something that barely fits and the resulting distortion just adds confusion in your life. Any worthwhile idea you can arrive at by yourself will be a lot more sleek and pure. Devoid of symbols and obsessions that aren't your own.
The flow of your own behavior doesn't speak of any universal truth or how to live. It's just an observation of this flawed efficiency-search that occurs when you aren't mindful of your day to day decisions.
The most relevant text I ever came across on it was actually a thought experiment that compared transitive and intransitive priorities:
From A follows B, from B follows C and so on. You prefer B to A, and C to B and so on. However, you do not prefer the nth future letter to A.
In a flow state starting at A you will always move to B and then to C and so on. Eventually ending up in a far worse situation than where you started.
It takes going against the flow to stick to A despite the preference for the adjacent B.
It is not super straight forward to understand what shape these letters really take in our life though. Our states and their relationship aren't very linear at the best of times. But the flaw in deciding priorities over a larger span of time seems very present.
Thanks, I don't have a chronic disease myself exactly, but I have been genetically cursed with inefficient energy use. Like a permanent fuel leak. So I quickly arrived at the life-ruling power of energy conservation as well. The word "flow" itself may have come from Daoism, but I avidly avoid really reading into ideology and ideas like that. It has the same effect as astrology where you'll overlap your own experience onto something that barely fits and the resulting distortion just adds confusion in your life. Any worthwhile idea you can arrive at by yourself will be a lot more sleek and pure. Devoid of symbols and obsessions that aren't your own.
The flow of your own behavior doesn't speak of any universal truth or how to live. It's just an observation of this flawed efficiency-search that occurs when you aren't mindful of your day to day decisions.
The most relevant text I ever came across on it was actually a thought experiment that compared transitive and intransitive priorities:
From A follows B, from B follows C and so on. You prefer B to A, and C to B and so on. However, you do not prefer the nth future letter to A.
In a flow state starting at A you will always move to B and then to C and so on. Eventually ending up in a far worse situation than where you started.
It takes going against the flow to stick to A despite the preference for the adjacent B.
It is not super straight forward to understand what shape these letters really take in our life though. Our states and their relationship aren't very linear at the best of times. But the flaw in deciding priorities over a larger span of time seems very present.
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Man how could I have wasted all these years doing nothing?
>bored of imageboards and video games think about doing something productive
>once I am not distracted anymore I start to feel my body, an overall heavy exhausted feeling like I just completed an intensive workout and anxiety manifesting itself as a tightness in my chest while also feeling my heart beat and a general antsiness and also fatigue on top of it all
>can't focus at all like this
And now I remember how I got to this point in the first place.
>bored of imageboards and video games think about doing something productive
>once I am not distracted anymore I start to feel my body, an overall heavy exhausted feeling like I just completed an intensive workout and anxiety manifesting itself as a tightness in my chest while also feeling my heart beat and a general antsiness and also fatigue on top of it all
>can't focus at all like this
And now I remember how I got to this point in the first place.
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>>279121
The drawback to your plan is that you constantly have to endure normies.
And normies are vicious predatory beasts.
The drawback to your plan is that you constantly have to endure normies.
And normies are vicious predatory beasts.
>>279121
I agree although it's probably somewhat taboo to say so here. It's really hard to come back from too once you become completely isolated.
I agree although it's probably somewhat taboo to say so here. It's really hard to come back from too once you become completely isolated.
>>279150
It is possible but it takes immense willpower.
My younger brother was a complete fat recluse for 9 years and out of nowhere he shed that fat over 2 years, used steroids, had a hair transplant, had intense psychotherapy and god knows what else, I don't recognize him anymore.
Guy is a literal normie for 3 years now, has a child as well. Looks like a dudebro surfer as well. I only remember him as a balding redditor looking geek.
I'm still a fat recluse because I don't give a shit about the world.
It is possible but it takes immense willpower.
My younger brother was a complete fat recluse for 9 years and out of nowhere he shed that fat over 2 years, used steroids, had a hair transplant, had intense psychotherapy and god knows what else, I don't recognize him anymore.
Guy is a literal normie for 3 years now, has a child as well. Looks like a dudebro surfer as well. I only remember him as a balding redditor looking geek.
I'm still a fat recluse because I don't give a shit about the world.
>>279151
I only think this worked because he already had a sleeping normie in him. Something made him fat and depressed and he managed to pull himself out of this. If you are genetically or neurotically fucked then it's a whole different story.
Failed normies manage to pull themselves out of heroin addictions and they can transform from looking like zombies to complete normies so I wouldn't compare myself to your brother.
I only think this worked because he already had a sleeping normie in him. Something made him fat and depressed and he managed to pull himself out of this. If you are genetically or neurotically fucked then it's a whole different story.
Failed normies manage to pull themselves out of heroin addictions and they can transform from looking like zombies to complete normies so I wouldn't compare myself to your brother.
>>279154
Very much this. I am not waiting for life to start, I'm waiting for life to end.
I'm old, I'm tired, I've had enough change and problems in life, I just want to rest in a small quiet part of the world and do nothing until I finally leave.
Very much this. I am not waiting for life to start, I'm waiting for life to end.
I'm old, I'm tired, I've had enough change and problems in life, I just want to rest in a small quiet part of the world and do nothing until I finally leave.
>>279270
The point is that if youre genetically or neurologically fucked this is what your life is like and you didnt actually wait on anything. Even if you try to 'just live your life' it will not do anything because you have been living it all along so its a contradiction. It's not actual waiting, most of us did a lot of things but unrealistic expecting until you finally accept reality. There is no way out.
The point is that if youre genetically or neurologically fucked this is what your life is like and you didnt actually wait on anything. Even if you try to 'just live your life' it will not do anything because you have been living it all along so its a contradiction. It's not actual waiting, most of us did a lot of things but unrealistic expecting until you finally accept reality. There is no way out.
>>279288
Wait a minute, I know! He should have been… should have been… uhhhh… ummmmmmmmmmmm
Wait a minute, I know! He should have been… should have been… uhhhh… ummmmmmmmmmmm
>>279289
People like this are the foundation of society. Who is going to pour Chad's wine or drive his Uber? Yet everyone is supposed to live like trustfund babby Chad or Stacy. In the existentialist paradise it would just be 24/7 cliffdiving I guess.
People like this are the foundation of society. Who is going to pour Chad's wine or drive his Uber? Yet everyone is supposed to live like trustfund babby Chad or Stacy. In the existentialist paradise it would just be 24/7 cliffdiving I guess.
I usually don't think about it much unless I'm around people that have these things but then it's more a matter of not being able to bring anything up they're interested in, doesn't really bother me that much otherwise. I do feel left out when it comes to having money though, but things like achievements I don't care too much.
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I procrastinated for so long so hard that I am still using Windows 7, the hardware upgrades I once planned for that once costed a fortune now are dirt cheap. Phones are pushing 16gb of ram. Twitter, imageboards and the era of social media is ending. The cars I once dreamed of buying are now scrap metal. Fellow millennials that once complained about never being able to afford a home or a car, are now on their third kid, car and SUV.
It feels surreal. It is terrifying. It is like waking up during open heart surgery, unable to scream or with barely any energy to move, while watching a bulldozer approach through the windows to demolish the hospital because everyone moved on years ago from where I got stuck. The world keeps moving at breakneck speed and I can't even bring myself to clean up my room and computer after 10 years.
It feels surreal. It is terrifying. It is like waking up during open heart surgery, unable to scream or with barely any energy to move, while watching a bulldozer approach through the windows to demolish the hospital because everyone moved on years ago from where I got stuck. The world keeps moving at breakneck speed and I can't even bring myself to clean up my room and computer after 10 years.
>>279312
But do you think you really think you had much of a choice or was it inevitable? If you didn't procrastinate with these things do you think your life would have really been different or is it all just symptoms of something you can't ultimately change?
But do you think you really think you had much of a choice or was it inevitable? If you didn't procrastinate with these things do you think your life would have really been different or is it all just symptoms of something you can't ultimately change?
>>279318
For every 1 person on social media, there are 2 Hindus and 1.7 Chinamen there as well. Western places of discourse are victim to the global gentrification campaigns. Proper discussion and media contribution can not happen without either species interjecting their perversions.
For every 1 person on social media, there are 2 Hindus and 1.7 Chinamen there as well. Western places of discourse are victim to the global gentrification campaigns. Proper discussion and media contribution can not happen without either species interjecting their perversions.
>>279312
I telling you, those things are overrated anyways, one can do here as one pleases.
But this sounds like a cope though
I telling you, those things are overrated anyways, one can do here as one pleases.
But this sounds like a cope though
>>279317
It was the only way things could have turned out. I believe free will is nonexistent, or extremely limited. Yes, life would have been very very different, maybe even worse than now, but at least I could consider suicide with peace of mind knowing I tried.
>>279318
Everything that needed to be said has been said. We are just running in circles now. There is no point in large online gatherings when most of us are burnt out to some extent. This was a once in a lifetime event, it may happen again in a few generations though.
>>279329
It's not so much what those things are in themselves, but the fact that those people did something with their time for better or worse. I couldn't even enjoy the escapist lifestyle.
It was the only way things could have turned out. I believe free will is nonexistent, or extremely limited. Yes, life would have been very very different, maybe even worse than now, but at least I could consider suicide with peace of mind knowing I tried.
>>279318
Everything that needed to be said has been said. We are just running in circles now. There is no point in large online gatherings when most of us are burnt out to some extent. This was a once in a lifetime event, it may happen again in a few generations though.
>>279329
It's not so much what those things are in themselves, but the fact that those people did something with their time for better or worse. I couldn't even enjoy the escapist lifestyle.
>>279343
Imageboards were destined to be the final graveyard and parking lot for aspergers, autists, crabs and other maladjusted males with bad genetics.
It's not that they happened *by design*, they were an extension of newsgroups.
With the exception of a few curious travelers and some programmers, newsgroups were no different essentially from Wizchan or imageboards, just without the image component (as everyone was on dialup, the only images you'd realistically see were ASCII art).
The world can't accommodate "sperglords".
The only refuge is online communities where nobody can see your physical presence or hear your voice. The only 'safe space'.
Imageboards were destined to be the final graveyard and parking lot for aspergers, autists, crabs and other maladjusted males with bad genetics.
It's not that they happened *by design*, they were an extension of newsgroups.
With the exception of a few curious travelers and some programmers, newsgroups were no different essentially from Wizchan or imageboards, just without the image component (as everyone was on dialup, the only images you'd realistically see were ASCII art).
The world can't accommodate "sperglords".
The only refuge is online communities where nobody can see your physical presence or hear your voice. The only 'safe space'.
>>279343
>Everything that needed to be said has been said. We are just running in circles now. There is no point in large online gatherings when most of us are burnt out to some extent. This was a once in a lifetime event, it may happen again in a few generations though.
Then why did you say that?
>Everything that needed to be said has been said. We are just running in circles now. There is no point in large online gatherings when most of us are burnt out to some extent. This was a once in a lifetime event, it may happen again in a few generations though.
Then why did you say that?
>>279347
I'm not that guy but you remind of those boomer elementary school teachers who try to sound smart by making simplistic smartie pants statements
I'm not that guy but you remind of those boomer elementary school teachers who try to sound smart by making simplistic smartie pants statements
you shouldn't be thinking your life is over in your 30's. Also you're surrounded by the top 5% or less of the most lucky and privileged people not just in the world, but in history. It's easy to think your life is a lot shittier then it really is and that you're a lot more unlucky then you really are. Yes it sucks being surrounded by normies but you need to put things into their proper perspective. You're really just another one of the top 5% most privileged. I'm sorry you haven't been able to have everything you want in life but for fucks sake. Be a man. Life is not supposed to be easy
>>279831
it is my belief at OP's age now life is over for many when they are born and they just retroactively understand it the more mature they get.
it is my belief at OP's age now life is over for many when they are born and they just retroactively understand it the more mature they get.
>>279838
>it is my belief at OP's age now life is over for many when they are born and they just retroactively understand it the more mature they get.
It's exactly this. I was unable to make any progress or signifaicant experiences in life because I'm retarded and as I grew older and more mature I just became more aware of my limitations. Before I got old enough to be self aware I thought that "life" could happen any time even though it was supposed to happen at that very moment. I also tried so many things and nothing ever worked so I know for myself that it wasn't a lack of trying or me not appreciating what I have or some other shit like that. If you are not retarded you can literally go from being a homeless heroin addict to becoming a business man like those "pull yourself up" normie stories but those people weren't retarded and just in a bad situation. Normies can do 20 years in prison and come out and still achieve stuff while retards could do the same time and come out and still be retarded.
It's basically like being born without legs but being unaware of it and thinking your whole life "when am i gonna be able to walk finally?" just to realize 30 years later that the reason why you was never able to walk is because you have no legs and not because of something you could have changed.
>it is my belief at OP's age now life is over for many when they are born and they just retroactively understand it the more mature they get.
It's exactly this. I was unable to make any progress or signifaicant experiences in life because I'm retarded and as I grew older and more mature I just became more aware of my limitations. Before I got old enough to be self aware I thought that "life" could happen any time even though it was supposed to happen at that very moment. I also tried so many things and nothing ever worked so I know for myself that it wasn't a lack of trying or me not appreciating what I have or some other shit like that. If you are not retarded you can literally go from being a homeless heroin addict to becoming a business man like those "pull yourself up" normie stories but those people weren't retarded and just in a bad situation. Normies can do 20 years in prison and come out and still achieve stuff while retards could do the same time and come out and still be retarded.
It's basically like being born without legs but being unaware of it and thinking your whole life "when am i gonna be able to walk finally?" just to realize 30 years later that the reason why you was never able to walk is because you have no legs and not because of something you could have changed.
>>279151
Of course it would be the hair transplant that fixes him, being a prematurely bald subhuman just exiles you from the rest of humanity.
Of course it would be the hair transplant that fixes him, being a prematurely bald subhuman just exiles you from the rest of humanity.
>>279838
>>279840
I think often it is the fault of your family for not socialising you properly during your childhood. So I'd say not at birth but it's over by the time you're 10 years old or less. It's the same with dogs and cats; if they werent treated right and exposed to humans when they are puppies then they are unsocialised for life. Some people are born autistic and retarded, but most people on wizchan can write better than the average norms and engage with complex ideas that are beyond norms, so it is generally not the case here
>>279840
I think often it is the fault of your family for not socialising you properly during your childhood. So I'd say not at birth but it's over by the time you're 10 years old or less. It's the same with dogs and cats; if they werent treated right and exposed to humans when they are puppies then they are unsocialised for life. Some people are born autistic and retarded, but most people on wizchan can write better than the average norms and engage with complex ideas that are beyond norms, so it is generally not the case here
>>279840
>It's basically like being born without legs but being unaware of it and thinking your whole life "when am i gonna be able to walk finally?" just to realize 30 years later that the reason why you was never able to walk is because you have no legs and not because of something you could have changed.
Well said. This is what most people suggesting self-improvement don't realize.
>It's basically like being born without legs but being unaware of it and thinking your whole life "when am i gonna be able to walk finally?" just to realize 30 years later that the reason why you was never able to walk is because you have no legs and not because of something you could have changed.
Well said. This is what most people suggesting self-improvement don't realize.
>>278414
its not your fault, and theres nothing people can do if you aren't born a "normie".
its not your fault, and theres nothing people can do if you aren't born a "normie".
>>279121
yes exactly. my life is over i dont even know anyone outside my family. its all about who you know.
yes exactly. my life is over i dont even know anyone outside my family. its all about who you know.
>>279840
yeah to have just a basic casual social interaction I have to plan it out like a chessmatch and still fail. meanwhile kids in pre-k can just socialize as naturally as breathing.
just shows the futility of trying harder or smarter, when you are just born wrong for it
yeah to have just a basic casual social interaction I have to plan it out like a chessmatch and still fail. meanwhile kids in pre-k can just socialize as naturally as breathing.
just shows the futility of trying harder or smarter, when you are just born wrong for it
>>279989
>>280001
>>280012
I had the type of parents who had no social skills whatsoever but my father heavily benefited from boomer economy and opportunities that fell into his lap (the business path he took wouldn't even work now because it's an extremely oversaturated field with the internet) and my mother didn't have to work in decades so they thought that they could just produce children and let them blossom on their own which turned out badly because I had no guidance.
Without social skills you are fucked, it's the one requirement that is above everything else. You can be very good at something and not go anywhere while a guy with less skills than you will still proceed because he has social skills and knows how to network with people. If you grew up thinking that you just need the potential and talent and social skills don't matter then you know you're on a sure way towards a dead end.
>>280001
>>280012
I had the type of parents who had no social skills whatsoever but my father heavily benefited from boomer economy and opportunities that fell into his lap (the business path he took wouldn't even work now because it's an extremely oversaturated field with the internet) and my mother didn't have to work in decades so they thought that they could just produce children and let them blossom on their own which turned out badly because I had no guidance.
Without social skills you are fucked, it's the one requirement that is above everything else. You can be very good at something and not go anywhere while a guy with less skills than you will still proceed because he has social skills and knows how to network with people. If you grew up thinking that you just need the potential and talent and social skills don't matter then you know you're on a sure way towards a dead end.
>>280018
>they could just produce children and let them blossom on their own
what do you mean?? didn't you try a firm handshake?? it worked for me!
i really hate boomers. it's not that they had it easy. it shouldn't be difficult to get a job with a livable wage.
i hate them because they broke the system that made it easy. and then are so sheltered and stuck in their own worlds they can't conceive how it is different for the youth.
>they could just produce children and let them blossom on their own
what do you mean?? didn't you try a firm handshake?? it worked for me!
i really hate boomers. it's not that they had it easy. it shouldn't be difficult to get a job with a livable wage.
i hate them because they broke the system that made it easy. and then are so sheltered and stuck in their own worlds they can't conceive how it is different for the youth.
>>280021
My dad always gave me the worst advice because he obviously didn't know shit because it all fell into his lap. His advice was always literally just
>"uhm.. you just gotta do stuff…uhm… I just did things and then a door opened for me uhm…"
That's exactly how every talk with my dad went, no valuable advice and never anything about showing interest in other people or communication whatsoever. The stuff he's gonna say is always so predictable and generic, any zoomer who watches podcasts could give better advice than him on anything.
My dad always gave me the worst advice because he obviously didn't know shit because it all fell into his lap. His advice was always literally just
>"uhm.. you just gotta do stuff…uhm… I just did things and then a door opened for me uhm…"
That's exactly how every talk with my dad went, no valuable advice and never anything about showing interest in other people or communication whatsoever. The stuff he's gonna say is always so predictable and generic, any zoomer who watches podcasts could give better advice than him on anything.
>>279831
Oh yes I feel so lucky to have been. Born poor on a 3rd world country and with mental issues, a fucked up family, a fucked up house and constant feelings of despair, while everyone else has perfect lives and all sorts of awesome things that I can just dream about.
I'm sure that one of those Jews or noggers that were killed on a concentration camp in 1943 would be glad to be alive and in my shoes right now, because damn this fucked up existence makes dying at a gas chamber a somewhat exciting scenario because at least it provides a way out.
Oh yes I feel so lucky to have been. Born poor on a 3rd world country and with mental issues, a fucked up family, a fucked up house and constant feelings of despair, while everyone else has perfect lives and all sorts of awesome things that I can just dream about.
I'm sure that one of those Jews or noggers that were killed on a concentration camp in 1943 would be glad to be alive and in my shoes right now, because damn this fucked up existence makes dying at a gas chamber a somewhat exciting scenario because at least it provides a way out.
It is a strange feeling: wanting to die, and being willing to do so at any instant, yet not wanting to waste one's life while one is forced to be alive (no reliable exit method)…
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>>279831
>you shouldn't be thinking your life is over in your 30's
I actually feel like when I was in my 20s wizards didn't warn me enough how bad being 30 is. It's worse than anything I could have imagined. I can't overstate how important your 20s are. It might be the most important time in your life. The fact that I wasted it is something I will never get over with.
>you shouldn't be thinking your life is over in your 30's
I actually feel like when I was in my 20s wizards didn't warn me enough how bad being 30 is. It's worse than anything I could have imagined. I can't overstate how important your 20s are. It might be the most important time in your life. The fact that I wasted it is something I will never get over with.
>>280054
22 year old and still haven't done shit or changed anything with my life, i'm losing my fucking shit man fuck
22 year old and still haven't done shit or changed anything with my life, i'm losing my fucking shit man fuck
>>280133
no sir, i want to try to be the best i can be, but i have no idea how to achieve my best.
no sir, i want to try to be the best i can be, but i have no idea how to achieve my best.
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>>280135
ITS OVER….
ITS OVER….
>>279982
Because they have good bone structure, either that or their "gfs" are subhuman teir.
Because they have good bone structure, either that or their "gfs" are subhuman teir.
>>280202
>most bald guys seem to be tall - that's all that really matters actually.
That makes no sense tbh
>most bald guys seem to be tall - that's all that really matters actually.
That makes no sense tbh
>>280130
I don't understand why if you're still in your 20's and aspire to some kind of normie lifestyle or metric of success you would hang out here? This isn't even a 'get off my board!!" thing. You're literally making things worse for yourself.
I don't understand why if you're still in your 20's and aspire to some kind of normie lifestyle or metric of success you would hang out here? This isn't even a 'get off my board!!" thing. You're literally making things worse for yourself.
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I realized that by wasting my 20s I became an NPC. I have no real defining characteristics or strengths.
>>280207
I know, I'm the shortest of my male siblings, and the only one going bald (all of us over 30 y.o.).
I know, I'm the shortest of my male siblings, and the only one going bald (all of us over 30 y.o.).
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One guy said that people with ADHD have a 10 year mental development lag and it would be consistent with my experience. Just now with 30 I am having thoughts that people have in their early 20s like wanting to move out and thinking about a career and wanting to learn life skills instead of just playing video games. Is that an actual thing or just one of these made up internet "facts"?
>>280280
This is very interesting because I also have ADHD and kept noticing that I'm about 10 years behind mentally even though I never heard that theory before. I can relate way more to zoomers in their early 20s than people my age and when I was 20 I had the emotional and social capacity of a teenager.
The theory makes sense because ADHD can cause you to learn slower in all aspects of life which would explain a delay that accumulates over years.
This is very interesting because I also have ADHD and kept noticing that I'm about 10 years behind mentally even though I never heard that theory before. I can relate way more to zoomers in their early 20s than people my age and when I was 20 I had the emotional and social capacity of a teenager.
The theory makes sense because ADHD can cause you to learn slower in all aspects of life which would explain a delay that accumulates over years.
>>280223
>only normalfags aren't npcs
wrong. normalfags are the npcs. you never played a game? there are only few played characters and everyone else is npc. this is same with normalfags. they're just npcs and it's up to you how to use them for advancing in the gameplay.
>only normalfags aren't npcs
wrong. normalfags are the npcs. you never played a game? there are only few played characters and everyone else is npc. this is same with normalfags. they're just npcs and it's up to you how to use them for advancing in the gameplay.
>>280283
npcs are not supposed to give a fuck about you. vast majority of them exist to be a background. you can interact with some of them. it all aligns very well, you're just a coping normalfag who can't believe he's npc
npcs are not supposed to give a fuck about you. vast majority of them exist to be a background. you can interact with some of them. it all aligns very well, you're just a coping normalfag who can't believe he's npc
>>280286
i larp as played character not as an npc. and i currently do not fit the description of normalfag until that changes don't call me that pls
i larp as played character not as an npc. and i currently do not fit the description of normalfag until that changes don't call me that pls
>>280021
>what do you mean?? didn't you try a firm handshake??
reminds me of the time i went for a job at the welfare office, and crushed the black lady's hand, and gave a clark kent aw shucks dont know my own strength.
didnt get the job
>what do you mean?? didn't you try a firm handshake??
reminds me of the time i went for a job at the welfare office, and crushed the black lady's hand, and gave a clark kent aw shucks dont know my own strength.
didnt get the job
>>280631
>no college degree?
>WORK LOW PAYING BARELY SURVIVALABLE JOBS PARASITE!
>Heh, should of studied super hard and waste your youth on studies fag!
I fucking hate 2020s, if we will be alive till the 2040s i'm gonna forget how fucking retarded people are this decade.
>no college degree?
>WORK LOW PAYING BARELY SURVIVALABLE JOBS PARASITE!
>Heh, should of studied super hard and waste your youth on studies fag!
I fucking hate 2020s, if we will be alive till the 2040s i'm gonna forget how fucking retarded people are this decade.
>>280635
Don't underestimate college and especially university. All the frustration comes from overesimatimg them, especially considering how hard it is to find a decent one and how much harder to get into it.
Don't underestimate college and especially university. All the frustration comes from overesimatimg them, especially considering how hard it is to find a decent one and how much harder to get into it.