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 No.284221[Last 50 Posts]

It's like no matter how neurotypical I try to be or how positive or outspoken I try to be, it just rubs "normies" the wrong way.

It's as if everyone has an 'autism radar' from the moment they see your face. Do people like me who are on the spectrum somehow transmit that information through facial features?
It doesn't even matter if I'm putting on a straight face, or smiling or whatever, people even at school used to ask me if I'm autistic.

It's impossible to fit into society when people just look at you and instantly see you as non-neurotypical. I even got rid of my glasses with LASIK but somehow I still have that 'nerdy' asperger face which people associate with weirdness and 'being different'.

 No.284224

You don't. Normies can detect non-NT's from a mile away.

The common symptoms are a completely recessed midface, deep nasolabial folds at an early age and just bad facial genetics in general (ugly smile, ugly jawline and cheeks etc.)

 No.284225

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 No.284227

autists should not fake emotions because you don't know how and the attempts come off as unsettling. It's better to just be completely logical and dispassionate. If you can develop some sort of autist scowl and other visible autist traits it would make things better because people will instantly recognize you as autistic and treat you as such. It's when they think you're just a really off normalfag that they get creeped out. Do not try to mimic being a normalfag.

 No.284228

You don't cope, you accept. It's time to leave humanity behind and focus on better, more entertaining things. Also doing lasik was stupid, there is potential harm with any surgery and you did it for the most ridiculous reason. Don't do that ever again.

 No.284232

> I even got rid of my glasses with LASIK
You're smart, OP. I'm glad to hear stories of wizards actively doing things to improve their situations. Even if you're still not accepted by normalfags at least you don't have to use glasses which is always inconvenient.

 No.284233

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>>284227
succubi in particular are extremely creeped out by poor attempts at social masking by men.

It's easier for autistic succubi to mask, because it's more socially acceptable for succubi to be shy, quirky and not look people in the eyes due to modesty.
An autistic guy who is bad at masking who tries to pass himself off as neurotypical is very unsettling for NT's.
So much that they will actively ostracize, bully and call him out for it.

As you said, there is no cure. If you weren't born a High Fuctioning Autist, stop trying to mask.
You are just drawing more unwanted attention to yourself and making yourself a bully target.


And yes, autistic men DO have physical characteristics that make it possible to recognize an autist or non-NT just by looking at their face.
There is a reason why so many geeks look alike.

How many football jock looking guys (facially) have you seen at a Dungeons and Dragons convention?
It's just two completely different species.

 No.284236

As an ugly dude you can do alright. You can get a skilled based job, build up a strong resistance to others, build confidence to not care others are uncomfortable and force yourself in to their spaces. You have the same right exist as everyone else, you don’t need to ask for permission to exist.
Now, if you’re a dysfunctional and emotionally vulnerable dude who can’t build that up - that’s the problem. Being ugly is kind of a primary issue that can be dealt with and endured, if your depression means you can’t deal with it you should focus there. No negative judgement intended, when my depression flares up I struggle to be strong minded, but when not being an ugly ogre I can deal with pretty easy.

 No.284243

>>284236
>build up a strong resistance to others
>build confidence to not care others are uncomfortable and force yourself in to their spaces
>You have the same right exist as everyone else
>you don’t need to ask for permission to exist.
huh? what's the even supposed to mean. These are some meaningless statements. Seriously, what are you talking about?
If you have to repeat to yourself all that maybe things aren't alright, don't you think?

 No.284251

>>284243
then don't change anything and keep being a miserable stupid piece of shit.

 No.284253

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>>284233
>succubi in particular are…
Disregard succubi, acquire magic you stupid asshole. No post on this website in any thread should start with "Succubi prefer.." or "All succubi are…". And no, I'm not some whiteknight defending succubi from critique. Angry crabs scientifically obsessed with succubi's sexual preference who post about it on the one site that aims to forbid it are the enemy here. Complete with a fucking "sweaty Chad highschooler" image that you saved to your smartphone in anticipation of this day to blackpill us uninformed innocent wizards on the realities of what makes succubi wet. Kill yourself.

 No.284255

>>284253
you seem to be particularly obsessed with crabs and defending succubi on wizchan. Why does it bother you so much that a wizard warns other wizards of normalfags?

 No.284257

>>284255
I don't want someone making posts which skirt the rules and directly contradict the site's mission, which is typical of a poster from one of the crab sites that routinely targets this place with exactly that type of post.

There are 2 options:
1. I call him a crab outisder. To which i get called "obsessed, coper, larper, failed normie". Which is no foreskin off my dick because those words don't mean anything and are just a reflexinve fallback argument for any weak whiner who just got backed in to a corner by my incredible wit and words of iron

2. I ignore it. To which the crab outsider things his post is OK.

And that user isn't "warning" anyone of anything. Wizards on Wizardchan are united in that we've already rejected the notion of having sexual relationships. This guy is coming in here as if we're all on the fence over the sex question, and ignorantly, arrogantly interjected with his specific qualms with succubi as an argument against perusing sex. Arguments which are, let's see.. "Succubi prefer to have sex with football stars instead of me"… Reasoning only a snippy snappy crab would consider valid for a second.

Newsflash, smalldick. "I'm too ugly to attract succubi, which is why I haven't yet" is the #1 case for being an involuntary celibate. To project that issue on to others and then even entertain the idea that it's a valid 'warning" about anything. Again, on the one site that has written rules against and 10 years of cultural rejection of caring about that… Maximum faggotry.

Sudoku.

 No.284259

>>284257
his post is on topic to the subject of the thread. Why are you so butthurt when someone criticizes normalfags for being superficial and evil especially succubi.
You are the only one who does this. It's almost as if you are a tryhard outsider. Nobody but you does this.

 No.284260

No "normal" person lands on this corner of the internet. We are simply different.
Accept who you are, and you'll feel better.

 No.284261

>>284259
A post about succubi only wanting to fuck what you consider to be an attractive male is not on topic in a thread about a man upset that he's not attractive in his own eyes.

 No.284262

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>>284257
>Newsflash, smalldick.
>Sudoku.
Whoa, le ebin one word riposte in the last line of your post!
Good sir, I do believe you've won the internet argument.

 No.284264

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>>284262
>Good sir, I do believe you've won the internet argument.
Whoe, le ebin ironic redditier sarcasticy in the last line of your post!
Good sir, I do believe you've won the internet argument.

 No.284265

>>284261
>It's easier for autistic succubi to mask, because it's more socially acceptable for succubi to be shy, quirky and not look people in the eyes due to modesty.

females being autistic is a meme by now. There's even youtube videos mocking the idea of "autistic" succubi. Succubi are always part of the herd no matter how many flaws they have or how quirky and weird they might be, they will ALWAYS be accepted. There's always the meme of succubi can do nothing wrong and are always seen as poor victims. It's ingrained in their society and I say their because we autistic wizards clearly don't belong there.
>An autistic guy who is bad at masking who tries to pass himself off as neurotypical is very unsettling for NT's.
>So much that they will actively ostracize, bully and call him out for it.
that happened to me but I wasn't trying to be part of normalfags like OP. I was just trying to not draw any attention to me and females and males still mocked me and bullied me all through high school.
I retaliated but they always move in packs so they told the teachers that it was me who initiated the fights and acted aggressive and they believed it of course. For them it was all my fault so every time I defended myself I got a suspension, even the succubi testified for the chad bullies against me.
It's interesting when you are at the bottom of the social ladder everything even you being bullied is your own fault despite you not doing anything.

 No.284267

>>284265
>It's interesting when you are at the bottom of the social ladder everything even you being bullied is your own fault despite you not doing anything.
moment like that makes me believe most of humans are apes in disguise waiting for the moment to chimp out without there being retaliation.

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>>284267
>moment like that makes me believe most of humans are apes in disguise waiting for the moment to chimp out without there being retaliation.

Normies are capable of much, much worse things.
>The Schwedentrunk (German: [ˈʃveːdnˌtʁʊŋk], Swedish drink) is a method of torture and execution in which the victim is forced to swallow large amounts of foul liquid, such as excrement. The name was invented by German victims of Swedish troops during the Thirty Years' War.
And they routinely come up with that sort of shit (pun intended) because they get bored of murdering each other in the 100s of millions in various conflicts. I don't want to bash this guy's skull wide open and play with his brains or behead him with a butter knife! That's so fucking BORING and CRINGE bro, we were doing that last year you stupid boomer. Now give me a bucket full of boiling diarrhea and a funnel!

 No.284272

>>284269
>And they routinely come up with that sort of shit (pun intended) because they get bored of murdering each other
They come up with stuff like this to discourage enemy troops from crossing the border, and really, being forced to drink untasty things isn't much of a torture. The limpwrist humanitarian approach of "Give them bread and bed" doesn't help to deter an enemy army from stomping in to your homeland.
>boring
>cringe
>boomer
It's all so tiresome

 No.284274

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>>284264
To quote Schopenhauer:
>The more sarcasticity, the more victoricity in your posticity.

 No.284275

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>>284272
Yeees, normie, being forced to drink boiling diarrhea is actually a good thing!

 No.284277

>>284275
I don't even know if you're trying to mock other people, or just trying to mock yourself with posts like this.

 No.284278

>>284277
We're all laughing at you normie. How does that make you feel? You're a loser who can't get laid even on wizchan.

 No.284279

>>284243
Alright means a tolerable life, and little tips and tricks may be lame that it’s needed but whatever, if you aren’t suiciding you do what you do. It’s relative, alright to me means not constant suffering which suicide is better than.
And what it means, if you are ugly you get the feeling of being unwanted, and if you’re anxious ugly you will be conscious that other people are made uncomfortable by you. People will say you’re creepy, weird, and general social interactions that make you know others don’t want you there. It’s applicable to more neurotic wizzies, and you have to learn to say fuck them, I’m going to force them to be uncomfortable, giving yourself higher value that you can just exist and their reactions and discomfort is their own. It’s not meaningless words, it’s just probably only understandable by a certain kind of person. Just giving my honest words my wizzer don’t need to be so taken aback and hostile.

 No.284280

>>284279
This pilpul's making me dizzy, wizzy

 No.284305

>>284265
we should be exempt from going to school, it's normalfag's playground. We can now do all they studying we want at home.

 No.284306

>>284305
I agree. It's torture being forced to endure prison-like conditions for more than a decade during our short childhoods, surrounded by primitive, hormonal retards.

 No.284522

>>284225
half of those look like normies lol

 No.284523

only good thing about this shitty day and age where i live atleast is that people have too many problems to care if im ugly LOL. could imagine how rough the people had it in happier times though

 No.284524

>>284286
Admin should start banning these dumb improvebrahs

 No.284527

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>>284286
Mister actual retard,
post actual manuals towards whatever you're proposing and not condescending self-improover drivel about nothing.
Kill yourself.

 No.284528

>>284527
He will just tell you to cold-shower x20 daily for 15 years and somehow that will get you an all paid for house and a million in the bank.

 No.284552

>>284524
He is one though. He can lat raise 300kg, drinks only raw beluga milk, and is working on his 60th bestseller "Dick Thunderwand in: Succubi Senoritas and Sucking Seniors"

 No.284554

>>284221
>Do people like me who are on the spectrum somehow transmit that information through facial features?

It is called facial expressions and body language.

 No.284588

>>284221
Are you a succubus who spends all day thinking about what irrelevant beings think about your image? Are you really that stupid to think that being pretty will solve your whole shitty life?

 No.284593

>>284588
Retarded take. Who wants to be ugly? I wouldn't want to be ugly. Then again OP probably just looks like a normal dude. Usually people who say they are ugly are completely unremarkable in their appearance.

 No.284601

>>284221

Real answer: you don't


Gay answer: personality is all the matters. Looks fade. Confidence is key.


Did I do that right?

 No.284605

>>284588
lel you're retarded.

 No.284630

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>>284601
But that's true? This ugly toad got tons of trim. A wizard is one inwardly. The failed normie is held back by his looks.

 No.284657

>>284232
I wear stylish glasses that don't look nerdy, glasses can actually be fashoin sense. I have two pairs one is clear framed and the other had red frames but they look stylish. Glasses can be fine as long as you don't wear the typical ugly ones.

 No.284662

>>284630
Because he was a high status big deal philosopher novelist man, and succubi go for status, that's it.

 No.284664

>>284657
>i wear glasses despite not needing glasses
what kind of mega normalfag are you?

 No.284668

>>284662
The point is if you think your looks are preventing you from having sex, you're categorically not a wizard.

 No.284669

>>284668
You're literally the only one who mentioned sex in this entire thread. Talk about projection. You're definitely not a wizard.

 No.284671

>>284669
Just an example but what is the point of this malding?
>>284601

Personality gets people a lot further than looks. You either have to be Henry Calville handsome or a dwarf for physical appearance to make that much of a difference.

 No.284672

>>284671
> You either have to be Henry Calville handsome or a dwarf for physical appearance to make that much of a difference.
scientifically and empirically false. You're really a disingenuous retard.

 No.284673

>>284672
prooflink?

 No.284675

>>284672
Well, probably it matters when trying to pick up succubi. Hence why I brought up sex. I can't think of someone at the DMV caring if somebody looks like Steve Buscemi and treating him differently according to his appearance. And somebody like Bruce Willis wouldn't get a halo effect. This whole thread is just lookism faggotry.

 No.284676

>>284675
>probably it matters when trying to pick up succubi. Hence why I brought up sex
You're the only one who is mentioning sex and picking up succubi because you are a disingenuous retard who can only think in those terms. Being ugly and looking weird is a problem many wizards have and not because of the stupid reasons you think. Not only kids but adults too will bully and ostracize others based on looks alone. Many bad things can happen to you for being ugly, you can be blamed for shit you didn't do and others will be more prone to believe you did it without need of proof, you can be a victim of some prank because a normalnigger thinks you look funny, you can be hated just because normalfags don't like how you look, and so on.
Most wise wizards choose environments where they can be in solitude or where there's very little contact with others to prevent all this.

 No.284684

>>284676
there's correlation between appearance and personality, or at least that's how normalfags perceive it, so they automatically spot you as a wizard and then nothing else really matters. wizards will be made to suffer. there is no salvation

 No.284685

>>284684
> wizards will be made to suffer. there is no salvation
False. The salvation is in getting big. Go to the gym. Attaining a more masculine body that signals respect. Learning how to fight so you're confident.

 No.284686

>>284684
it it interesting that fiction is generally like that: the hero is beautiful, the enemies are ugly. Perhaps there is some real truth to it because ugly people are treated badly by society and thus in response become emotionally darker people

 No.284689

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 No.284693

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>>284676
This. It doesn't just pertain to succubi. Being an uggo also makes you a bullying target at school and at work, business, and so on.

 No.284695

>>284686
>>284689
My mental illness directly ruined my appearance. I grinded my teeth away in my sleep due to anxiety by the time I was 17 years old. It ruins the whole facial/jaw structure even with my mouth closed

 No.284696

>>284695
i also have severe grinding, it even made one of my teeth sharp like a dog.

i dont think it changed my whole face, but who knows. im ugly.

 No.284705

>>284696
it makes your teeth shorter, and your bite shift into an overbite. look at your face from the side profile and compare how it looks if your teeth are closed together vs if you open a little and align your front teeth. Then again, it's probably better that you dont see it.

 No.284709

opgif isn't ugly

 No.284712

You can get vindictive hate for being too pretty too tbh. I've noticed it with mentally slow attractive men, that other men will henpeck them and mock them behind their back for being not quite there. But otherwise normal slow guys just get by fine.

Don't underestimate tall poppy syndrome for the normies, and how much they feel envy. They'll knock you down if they're jealous of you and think you're better than them. And it can't be mitigated with being nice or generous, being generous to envious types makes their envy worse, they see it as you rubbing moral superiority in their face.

A lot of normies love bumbling slow failures because they make themselves feel better by comparison. Khrushchev in the Soviet Union got by with Stalin by playing up being a middling bumbling fool.

 No.284726

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>>284686
*blocks your path*

 No.284727

>>284686
a while back i posted about how i could understand that as young boys we all have the same good guy heroes, and yet boys behave like the bad guy villain bullies from TV. and a wiz replied that the villains from TV are ugly and weird and beat on by handsome heroes. and so thats why bullies can see themselves as the heroes of their own stories.

 No.284730

>>284727
bullies beat the shit out of ugly kids because they want to be the hypermasculine figure they admire from tv shows, comic books, videogames, movies, etc.
In their minds they are not the villains, you are if you look like an ugly freak.

 No.284745

>>284730
like the 1990s Batman popular in my boyhood, yeah all the villains were mentally ill ugly freaks with sob stories, but they still had to have the crap kicked out of em for disturbing the peace.

 No.284767

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>>284709
OP gif is absolutely fucking ugly. That's a face that will not change if its owner loses weight, or gets a haircut, or any of the other looksmax shit. That person is fucking doomed.

Considering how random and happenstance existence is, being saddled with ugly is a real fucking bad hand. But there are confident people who were born ugly as fuck and get by fine. They're the true freaks.

 No.284768

>>284767
This is what I was talking about! He's just a normal looking dude. Nobody cares about his appearance. Also I am above average looking and was bullied in middle school because of my autistic behavior. That stopped for everyone at my high school.

 No.284781

>>284767
indeed the OP is some guy who definitely will be relentlessly bullied in school. His face is too wide and looks like an ogre.

 No.284786

>>284781
>saying he looks like an "ogre"

No John, you ARE the bullies.

 No.284787

>>284767
The OP is not that bad. It's noticably autistic face (flattened mid-section, squinty eyes, curled mouth) but if whoever it is just doesn't try to mimic normal people and find whatever suits him he'll look fine. I'd say 70%-90% of issues with appearance would be fixed with the gym.

 No.284823

>>284787
I've seen people who look like OP get bullied.

 No.284824

>>284823
I've seen people who are conventionally attractive get bullied.

 No.284826

>>284824
Ugly and autistic wizards are bullied more it's all documented and there's irreversible damage from it, like trauma and stress that lasts for years. Nice of you to mention that the "attractive" can be bullied too when it means nothing because it's also documented they go to live better lives because of their looks alone so whatever little inoffensive bullying they go through is meaningless in the long run unlike wizards.

 No.284827

>>284826
Got it. you're once again turning a thread in to "Normalfags are privileged and can get away with murder while Wizards (IE anyone you perceive as "ugly") are going to live in despair and torment because some females snickered at him in the 6th grade"

 No.284831

>>284827
Nah, you are disingenuous retard. The OP is asking for advice with dealing with the abuse that comes from being ugly and you just come here to post "attractive people get bullied too!!" You think we don't know who you are?

 No.284832

>>284831
OP, or anyone else professing to being ugly here, has managed yet to justify why their looks are an objective hindrance to anything besides landing a mate.

 No.284833

>>284832
yep, you are being a disingenuous retard again. Why are you posting on this thread if for your OP's problems aren't real? You really are a gaslighting normalnigger.

 No.284834

>>284833
>Why are you posting on this thread if for your OP's problems aren't real?
He hasn't stated what those problems are exactly. Aside from "I'm ugly and sad because other people know it", which we're trying to figure out the 'why' of. Threads aren't echo chambers; we're allowed to have disagreements. I and others are disagreeing that OP's dilemma is a genuine conern for a wizard. This doesn't make us "normalniggers" as you claim in every instance of seeing an opinion you can't understand the merit of.

So take a stand, and put in your own words why a celibate male wizard who values solitude should feel bad that he's not attractive to succubi? How is his life being changed for the worse because of it?

 No.284837

>>284834
>should feel bad that he's not attractive to succubi?
lol again, nobody said anything about succubi but it's obvious you are a gaslightning normalnigger who can't argue in good faith. Good to know you are here on a friday night being miserable thinking anyone will take you seriously :D

 No.284841

>>284837
>Good to know you are here on a friday night being miserable
I'm spreading positivity by trying to set someone up to realize that they have no logical reason to be sad. You're here trying to convince him otherwise. You're the miserable one, Mr. Everyone but me is a normalfag gaslighting normalnigger and I will scour the website for any posts that I can say this on"

your ending :D fails to hide you r full-post-length >:(

 No.284842

>>284841
>im spreading positivity

Lol it hurts you so much that nobody is buying your lies, strawman, and gaslight. Good to know you do it for free :D

 No.284843

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>>284842
Tell me how you feel about this picture in 4 words.

 No.284848

>>284843
reminds a cake want one

 No.284876

>>284843
Too much moose/frosting, I like the cake part of the cake the best.

 No.284890

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>>284823
>>284826
>invalidating others based on their appearance and personality & life based on their appearance
Doesn't that sound familiar.

 No.284898

>>284767
Unironically this.
I have been told FACE TO FACE by a recruiter that I'm visually unaesthetic to the point of being unhirable for a position where I'd meet clients regularly.

Or in other words I'm just too ugly.
This has nothing to do with getting succubi. That is just one of the side effects unless you are so rich you attract golddiggers.

Being ugly makes everyone treat you worse or with contempt. An ugly face is absolutely a curse.

 No.284900

>>284898
The OP's gif isn't ugly, it's just a little fat.

 No.284906

>>284898
Are you fat? The recruiter probably could've just meant you were too fat.

 No.284907

>>284906
Being fat is still being ugly and there is little that the average wizard can do about it, since it involves going to one of the normiest places, the gym.

 No.284910

>>284907
You can lose weight without going to the gym. Jogging is free.

 No.284920

>>284907
>since it involves going to one of the normiest places, the gym
The gym is the nicest place you can fucking go to, at least to my experience and others. Unless you really are just so fucking ugly or hate normalfags so much, people will be willing to help you out. The only assholes in gyms are roiders and succubi.

 No.284926

Its probably The fact that you Look 4/10 and arent into Any normie things. Ive seen Many 4/10 tradecucks that Are Part of The group because They talk about Cars and sports, and attempt to weasel mocking people More stupid than them in Every single conversation.

 No.284975

>>284221
>OP's image
Why does he move like a Civ III leader?

 No.284976

>>284975
Autism

 No.284983

>>284975
Not being neurotypical causes these things.

Alongside certain physical features mentioned before

 No.284986

>>284983
He's the most normal-looking guy I've ever seen, which is why I called out OP for lookism. If you look like him and think people are talking about how ugly you look, your problem is main characger syndrome, not ugliness.

 No.284991

>>284988
Autistic gestures aren't looks Patrick

 No.284992

>>284907
Just stop eating so much. Losing weight doesnt even need to have physical activity required.

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>>284988
Nah he is not ugly just chubby. You can see he has a square jaw and can grow out his hair. I'm actually ugly and look like the ubermensch or private pyle from full metal jacket. Not even fat but have a round face and balding is over.

 No.284995

what the fuck are you talking about? to me OPgif looks OK and his gestures/smile are funny if anything. you must be fucking trolls. i really don't understand what's autistic about it.

 No.285025

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>>284995
Some wizzies are so removed from reality they think someone as mind-numbingly ugly and off-putting as the OPgif is "OK." I can only assume you people are face blind.

 No.285027

>>285025
Have been isolating myself as much as possible ever since middle school, then NEETed and almost never came out. I have a clarity of mind you can't dream of. OPgif isn't ugly.

 No.285028

>>285025
my exact thoughts. I can barely stand looking at the face in OP without wanting to avert my eyes from it. Disgusting face.

 No.285030

>>285025
What would you know about it?

 No.285035

>>285027
the guy in the OPgif is just fat and has a shitty haircut.

 No.285040

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Wizards: dude, you look fine, who cares what normies think?
Crabs: you look like an ogre goblin with autism! Might as well rope, the normies will never respect people like you and me!

 No.285041

>>285025
it's sad but ugly people can't tell they are ugly which makes a lot of sense and there are lots of studies done on this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7384173/
Unattractive people are unaware of their (un)attractiveness

Analogous to the Dunning‐Kruger effect, the present research addresses the idea that objectively unattractive individuals are not aware of their own (un)attractiveness.

As just noted, incompetent people lack the metacognitive skills that are needed to recognize their own incompetence. Relatedly, it was examined whether unattractive people would have less general insight into who is attractive and who is not. It might be that unattractive people have a different beauty ideal than do attractive people and thus would not only overestimate their own attractiveness, but also perceive unattractive others to be more attractive compared to how these are rated by attractive people. It was therefore investigated if unattractive participants overestimate their own attractiveness the less they differentiate between attractive and unattractive stimulus persons

All six studies provide compelling evidence that self‐ratings of unattractive people mostly differ from how others perceive their attractiveness. In fact, relative to ratings by strangers, all studies showed that unattractive participants considerably overestimated their attractiveness. It is remarkable that across all studies, unattractive participants reported to be above‐average (relative to the scale midpoint) and their self‐rated attractiveness was similar to how the objectively attractive participants rated their attractiveness. Moreover, unattractive participants were mostly unaware of how others rate their attractiveness. The objective attractiveness was much lower than how the unattractive participants believed to be perceived by strangers. Overall, unattractive participants judged themselves to be of about average attractiveness and they showed very little awareness that strangers do not share this view. In contrast, attractive participants had more insights into how attractive they actually are. If anything, they underestimated their attractiveness. It thus appears that unattractive people maintain illusory self‐perceptions of their attractiveness, whereas attractive people’s self‐views are more grounded in reality.

 No.285042

>>285041
>It might be that unattractive people have a different beauty ideal than do attractive people and thus would not only overestimate their own attractiveness, but also perceive unattractive others to be more attractive compared to how these are rated by attractive people
This is just a stupid fucking sentence.

>Subjective and objective attractiveness ratings were not significantly correlated. Participants perceived themselves to be more attractive compared to how they were perceived by the experimenters

 No.285044

>>285042
wake the fuck up wizard
if a normie says that X is Y then it's objective absolute truth and anyone who has the gut to disagree will be eliminated

 No.285045

>>285044
I mean yeah I agree. That's why it's silly for anyone less than 8/10 to even assume they are a volcel because others will just view them as ugly and unfuckable. If you're ugly there's nothing voluntary to your celibacy and I assume 99% of wizards are not model tier over 8/10.

 No.285049

>>285045
I sincerely hope you get banned for this post.

 No.285050

>>285049
that post is actually written by an admin. there is no hope

 No.285052

>>284994
If I ever saw you in public I'd think to myself that this guy is not as ugly, plain, or retarded-looking than almost everyone else I see in public.

 No.285056

>>285049
If this was the 1990's I'd agree but in 2023, you really aren't "voluntarily" celibate if you have a face that would literally get absolutely, utterly zero matches from any succubus no matter how hard you tried.

 No.285062

>>285041
>All six studies provide compelling evidence that self‐ratings of unattractive people mostly differ from how others perceive their attractiveness. In fact, relative to ratings by strangers, all studies showed that unattractive participants considerably overestimated their attractiveness. It is remarkable that across all studies, unattractive participants reported to be above‐average (relative to the scale midpoint) and their self‐rated attractiveness was similar to how the objectively attractive participants rated their attractiveness.

This isn't surprising to be honest. Crabs in particular are exactly like this.
They post really ugly pictures of themselves as proof that they are mediocre or slightly better looking (which they aren't even close to), then insult all succubi when they give them no attention or matches.

Dunning-Kruger is the strongest when it comes to looks. Most ugly people are delusional when it comes to rating themselves.
Hell, even I as an ugly guy once thought I'm pretty average. When in fact I'm extremely ugly, to the point succubi would probably pay money to avoid looking at my face.

 No.285064

>>285045
Guy in op is a 9/10

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 No.285075

>>285028
That's because you have the soul of a crustacean

 No.285076

>>285056
Has nothing to do with your lookism faggotry! This is like saying I'm not voluntarily a non-astronaut. I mean sure, I don't have the skills or money to go to space but I also think it looks fucking boring and overrated, especially given all the sacrifices you have to make. I'm voluntarily celibate because I'm an antinatalist and think sex is evil. Simple as!

 No.285077

>>284767
OP gif is ugly. One of my best friends in high school looked very similar, and he was relentlessly bullied because of it. Older students, as well as some classmates, would try to intimidate him, physically overpowering him and causing him to tumble to the ground. They would throw anything they could get their hands on, such as empty bottles, cans, and even fruits like apples and banana peels, harassing him whenever they could in the hallways, restrooms, and cafeteria.
I couldn't do shit because the guys who picked on him were taller and stronger and I didn't want my head smashed against the locker. You can't fight back against 6 ft dudes who double your weight. It's like asking to be killed. Teachers turn a blind eye and some bullying is done when they are not watching and it's also like normies had a psychological warfare against uglies, they will exclude him, not take what he says as seriously, some teachers seemed to be in on it and treated him like he was retarded or inferior to the rest of the class. School is a small ecosystem that replicates a bigger one and it's hell for true wizards.

 No.285078

>>285077
Never happened

 No.285079

>>285078
Possibly happened

 No.285081

Actual ugliness is typically caused by some deformity or deficiency. I'm ugly because of chronic mouthbreathing as a child, one thing that does induce actual facial ugliness in people.

OPs gif isn't ugly. He has nice even teeth, he has a strong healthy jawline and his face is without blemishes. Everything is functioning as it should be. He completely mogs me for that reason.

I strongly think that beauty is important to the extent it serves as a correlation for health and good genes. The runaway shit Koreans do where they shave their jawlines off and desperately get botox to look younger is all missing the point of what beauty is about. succubi are ugly at an older age because you're past your reproductive years, any attempt to cling onto that youth is futile because it's passed.

As a shut in wizard I don't care too much about being ugly. I don't need looks for anything important, I don't hold a job, I only talk to my family. I'm autistic so I wouldn't be dating anyway. And there's nothing wrong with a little Dunning Kruger with looks, if it helps people have self esteem and get by in the world, why not be a little delusional?

 No.285085

>>285081
>I am ugly
You can't objectively rate the OP gif because you are already biased by your own unattractiveness. He isn't average or normal just because he is better looking than you lol. You don't even mention how wide and ogrish his fat face looks and his smile makes him look like a creep.


He has the type of face that can't be fixed with losing weight.

 No.285086

>>285085
Couldn't have said it better, and I'm an ugly fuck too.

He is the kind of guy succubi at the school cafeteria would report to the authorities for looking at them.

 No.285088

>>285085
I never said he was attractive, I never even said he was normal, I just said he wasn't ugly. Ugly is reserved for something unappealing, similar to disgust, he isn't repulsive because everything is in the right place and functioning properly.

The meth addict with missing teeth and scaly skin is ugly. The down syndrome kid is ugly for congenial reasons. I'm ugly. The OP isn't ugly. We somewhat agree but just disagree on categorical issues.

Go back 600 years ago and people were more concerned with health than looks, there's a reason beautiful and healthy are close to synonymous. Ask yourself if there's anything as an unattractive person you cannot actually do physically? Are you really "sub-human" like the crabs say for not meeting arbitrary beauty standards, when you are physically in prime health and do everything to a sufficient degree.

 No.285090

>>285088
>Go back 600 years ago
Are you autistic by any chance or just severely stupid? Your argument is so stupid because it relies on subjectivism. "No, that guy isn't really ugly because there's people without teeth and bad skin now that's ugly", "no, that 6feet chinese peasant who towers over everyone in China isn't really tall because in the Netherlands that's the average height for males" That's exactly how you sound.
>Ugly is reserved for something unappealing, similar to disgust
His face and smile provokes disgust, he isn't average. I'd rather not have to look at his face it's eerie and creepy.
>Are you really "sub-human" like the crabs say
Who? What does that have to do with judging someone's appearance. What matters is the truth.
> you are physically in prime health and do everything to a sufficient degree.
You miss the point entirely. You literally get bullied if you are ugly and your mental health worsens which has a direct impact in your life that's everlasting. That's the degree of importance bad looks can have on your life.

 No.285091

>>285090
>You literally get bullied if you are ugly and your mental health worsens which has a direct impact in your life that's everlasting.

I never got bullied for being ugly. Why do you think that's a given?

 No.285092

The worst part of being ugly is that everyone is biased against you so you miss out on the same opportunities good looking and average people have by default. There's plenty of studies saying teachers give good grades to good looking people and are more lenient towards them and that translates to better lives. Even parents love their children more when they turn out to be attractive, this happens since the moment they were born they will shower good looking babies with more care and attention than ugly babies. They also grow up to be more successful and have to do less work than ugly people :(

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>>285027
Yeah, total clarity. That which can only come from sitting in your own filth, experiencing the universe from a screen.

Some of us actually have jobs and function in the world. We know what's ugly and what isn't from this thing you'll never have: life experience.

Your highfalutin sage-on-a-hill "clarity" is just a baby blanket of comfort from being unable to endure the real pain the world has to offer. You're probably ugly, too.

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>>285102
you're exaggerating. Not being beautiful don't means you are ugly or unattractive, probably is average and that's fine. You guys are so out touch of reality that the guy in the OP gif is an "ugly" dude; no, het's above average and just need to lose weight to be in his prime.

 No.285104

>>285103
dumb esl brazilian nigger. Come back when you've finished learning basic grammar. Otherwise don't even try to argue with anyone in here.

 No.285105

>>285104
t. brazillian
only huebr cares about this

 No.285106

>>285077
>>285085
>>285090
>>285102
t. covert normalfaggots
whatever problems opgif guy has ain't his looks. if you are so keen on defending your normalfaggot point of view care to bring in some pictures of not ugly people? if you're not fuck off back to tictok or wherever you come from, because at this point it is clear obvious you are mere trolls trying to pass as wizards when in fact you probably fuck twice a week.

 No.285110

>>285102
Fucking wizchan 2k23 right here

 No.285113

>>285106
>>285110
Funny how you bring up zero arguments and instead just act butthurt while every wizard provides not only multiple studies but their experiences growing up as wizards. Talk about being a normalfag in denial.

 No.285117

>>285113
>studies
that one about Dunning-Kruger? it does nothing to support your
>zero arguments
that said you're the one butthurt. >>285106 contains a direct request you fail to complete because you're a lying normalfaggot

 No.285118

>>285117
>adhoms to invalidate science and wizards' life experiences
typical "normalfag" whenever he tries to argue.

 No.285119

>>285102
Opposite point of view - Being in the world rather than growing up on modern social media there’s much uglier people than op gif doing fine. Especially since op gif has a distorted lens from being so close to camera and slow mo distortion. The gif starting to show off his side profile inclines me to think it’s a BPD crab forum poster anyway, and half of them look fine in their other pictures.

 No.285121

>>284225
holy crap all those guys look hideous just like the OP gif. What the fuck is this school shooter phenotype?

 No.285122

>>285118
keep seething

 No.285123

>>285106
Really most posters here ARE normals. The avidity wherewith this thread has drawn replies is proof of that. There are better threads dealing with philosophical and political issues, yet the one in which we debate the looks of some guy on a random gif brings in the greatest number of replies. The intelligence level of this board does not seem as high as it once was – this would indicate normies masking themselves as wizards and drawing down the level of discussion. They are like w/o/m/e/n in that they only exist in relation to how others evaluate them socially. They have submitted themselves to the adjudicating eyes of w/o/m/e/n like hopeful dogs searching for an approving master. Without effeminately relying on the daily social cues of those around them to either affirm or deny their attractiveness, they are lost. The crab/blackpill cult is a sort of observable social currency that documents how feminized men have become in that they cannot remove themselves from thoughts of sex and are almost ideologically bound to seeking others' approval for their appearance.

"Yes, this is your looks level; no, you are not as attractive as you thought you were; you are delusional; succubi think you're disgusting; no wizards are attractive, etc." Men are so conditioned by w/o/m/e/n that they enforce feminine social hierarchies onto other men through insult, shame, and mockery…even on an anonymous imageboard whose ideals are wholly separate from such things.

 No.285124

>>285121
most of them are actually benign. maybe a few bitter psychopaths, but they are distributed evenly among people regardless of attractiveness. some of guys on the pic actually look all right.

 No.285126

>>285124
every single one of those guys >>284225 looks like the stereotype of a bullying victim. They look like they had some developmental problems growing up that led them to a malformed skull and face. Most are ugly and those who aren't look weird.

 No.285127

>>285126
yes those guys certainly had developmental problems, but that does not actually makes the school shooters as many of such guys are actually scared and as peaceful as possible. it's also not granted that they were bullied, it largely depends on the country and rarely on classmates. however it is likely that every one of them was somehow harassed, which doesn't qualify as bullying but doesn't contribute to the mental well being.

 No.285129

>>285123
a good post

 No.285130

>>285129
>feminist retard who avoids the succubi filter
>good post
Normalfags come here to /dep/ to attack ugly wizards and deny their experiences because it breaks their just world fallacy and hurts their normalfag ego, for them everyone in life is treated fairly and has the same chances at success.


Things couldn't be further from the truth. Wizards tend to always get the short end of the stick but that's something normalfags will try to deny and fail at it.


No matter how many times you call something that's black white, it won't ever make it white. Despite normies wanting everyone to be deluded like themselves, it won't have an effect.

 No.285133

>>285130
>>feminist retard who avoids the succubi filter
literally fuck off back to /r9k/ you're not wizard you're a crab who is bitter because he doesn't get laid. your problem is not your ugliness. your problem is that you were born with crab mentality which has doomed you forever. there is not hope in life for crabs, because you're mentally incapable of achieving peace of mind.

 No.285140

A video on why how ugly people are too ugly and biased to rate themselves objectively

 No.285142

>>285130
Exactly, they want to justify their own privilege or luck with the just world theory.

 No.285143

>>285121
That face happens when the succubus is 35+ years old at conception and the male is a 40-45+ year old autist who likely works in engineering or programming.

 No.285147

>>285140
>YouTube
>psychology today
i really hate this kind of content.

 No.285148

>>285147
>video full of scientific studies trying to make sense of why people regard themselves as more attractive than they are that's on topic to the thread at hand
>I-I hate this content that proves me wrong and contradicts my beliefs!!
Don't watch it, then. Wizards love learning about human psychology.

 No.285149

>>285148
Not to mention one of the hugest factors in becoming a wizard is the ostracism and bullying you get as an ugly guy.

So I don't really understand that poster crying about this being a point of discussion.
When it's one of the biggest factors in a male becoming a wizard.

 No.285156

>>285149
What's happening on this thread is normalfag butthurt 101
Normalfags take solace in anything confirming their flimsy worldview but get insanely mad and irrational when faced with the truth. Wizards speak nothing but the truth and that hurts their emotional brains. Wizards can say they were bullied and ostracized for being ugly and a normalfag will cry and try and set the record "straight" and claim it's false that in reality the wizards were bullied for having a bad personality or some other bullshit, despite them not ever being there. It's a form of gaslighting they are so used to do.

 No.285168

>>285133
>get called a feminist
>respond by rage spamming crab
you literally just proved his point

 No.285172

This is a good example of typical no brain imageboard discussion. Both sides quickly notice that they lack substantial arguments to convince the other side, so they gleefully hijack the entire thread into their favorite kind of activity: substituting statements with something that has nothing to do with original point of discussion and wholeheartedly insulting each other as much as possible. The fact that such low tier "discussion" exists is a sure indicator that the audience of the site in question mostly consists of our beloved /b/tards. Ahh, sweet /b/tard. They don't even necessarily have to be 4chan regulars, no. It is not about 4chan. It is about this sweet /b/tarded mentality, which you see everywhere on modern imageboard. If they appear somewhere on the line of sight you have no choice but to accept that doom that's quickly approaching. With the around there is no hope of having a discussion/conversation/just-a-normal-talk. They are mentally incapable of having a meaningful interaction. Whether they come from realms of normalfags or not does not actually matter. They are the ones that brought about the downfall of the whole anonymous community, because their heinous behavior repels the sparks of intelligence that might accidentally find their way into the site. Virgins or no virgins, they are disgusting. They lack the fraction of tithe of a wisdom of a wizard. They are mere schoolboys in comparison to the bearded sages. Look at the smug faces they make while reading this post. Do you really like being one of them?

 No.285174

>>285172
Oh and I forgot to add that this behavioral pattern is not inherent to the internet visitor I dismissingly called /b/tards. This is kind of thing that happens everywhere in real life, especially if the ones arguing are normalfags. They are the backbone of humanity. The ultimate sheep with absolutely no brain. I honestly believe there was a brief period in the history of internet when they were not allowed to participate, because if there wasn't, it is very, very saddening.

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>>285148
>Wizards love learning about human anything

 No.285176

short is also ugly too. I have to deal with the consequences of both. Being short and ugly. Normalfags hate me and I don't even do or say anything, just keep to myself.

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At the risk of being banned, I think I have more in common with a philosophical pessimist who even had a lot of sex but renounced it as a vain pursuit, like Emil Cioran, than a crab who is held back by his looks and insecurity from being part of the normie system.

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>>285180
Of course the ideal is somebody who is both socially compromised and rejects normalfaggotry. But I'm just saying, I identify more with the latter.

 No.285185

>>285182
There isn't a single phonefaggot filename itt. But phone ownership is no longer a way to sniff out normalfags anyway. I have no idea how you live without a phone. And if you do own a phone, there is little stopping you from phoneposting yourself, other than an arbitrary self-imposition.

 No.285186

>It's impossible to fit into society when people just look at you and instantly see you as non-neurotypical.
true
>Do people like me who are on the spectrum somehow transmit that information through facial features?
we do. They always can tell. Wizards and normalfags aren't the same.

 No.285189

>>285185
Okay scratch that, I forgot how filenames work here. But yeah, phoneposting is no longer a normie thing.

 No.285202

>>284225
Is there any hint of "genetic affinity for thin framed glasses" being an actual thing? In my mind the stereotype of a "nerd" includes thick frames, and if you put the word in any search engine these will be the results, and you also see that if you try for old Star Trek convention pictures, or D&D tables, or something in that sense (I was going to post some pics but I'm blocked from it).

 No.285204

>>285202
is this statement about glasses true at all? there are plenty of normalfags in glasses. and plenty of creepy people without them.

 No.285207

>>285204
There are, but they don't look like that, they have "normal" faces. For example Bill Clinton occassionally wore glasses but he doesn't look like that. Neither does Barack Obama. They're just normies/neurotypicals who happened to get worse vision with age.

Most guys with myopia kinda do look like that "phenotype" in the collage picture, they're like clones of each other when it comes to their facial features.
And it doesn't happen to them with age, it's something that happens to them at age 5-6.

I remember being the only kid with glasses in my classroom in first grade, and I was also the only autistic kid.

 No.285212

>>285207
Public people can have specialists that help them choose frames that don't make them look like inbred dysgenic abominations, or just wear lens, we never know how many of them do it. There was also an old pic about all the wave of psychotic feminists wearing the same type of glasses, but maybe it works like a trend, just as when a lot of autists were wearing fedoras for some reason. What sounds weird to me is the idea of genetic predisposition for the style of one's attire.

 No.285213

>>285207
>I remember being the only kid with glasses in my classroom in first grade, and I was also the only autistic kid.
wow, i too was the only kid with glasses.
that might explain some things.

 No.285224

>>285223
>im not a wizard
kill yourself, nigger.

 No.285225

>>285223
>le crabs in a bucket
haven't heard this bullshit in a while. anyway, enjoy your bans, norman.

 No.285226

>>285225
the normalniggers who come here, a site for male celibate virgins, only to complain about crabs all day even in unrelated threads aren't even virgins themselves and yet they think their opinions or thoughts on anything matter.

 No.285228

>>285227
>posts in a thread for wizards problems to defend normalfags
>he isn't even a wizard himself nor does he care
>cries about crabs
Kill yourself.

 No.285239

>>285123
Exactly correct. Normals are not human. They are retarded psychopathic animals and willing slaves of succubi. They should not be here. There is a war in this thread between wiz-gods and normscum – nay, this entire thread started out as discussion relating to some guy's looks (normie-brain subject), then the enlightened wizzies tried helping the demented normals to think more rationally, only for the normals to become collectively angry and out of telepathic group instinct gang up with greatened fervor on the few clear-minded wizards endeavoring to show them a better way. They even often proudly confessed that they are not wizards. This thread has now become much more than it was ever intended to be: a psychological catalogue of the normie group-mind and how viciously it acts towards anyone who behaves differently from itself.

 No.285241

>>284233
Dipshit post.
>How many football jock looking guys (facially) have you seen at a Dungeons and Dragons convention?
Plenty.
Social skills and appropriate facial expressions can be acquired through pure repetitious practice.

>>284251
The piece of retard shit is you. You have said nothing of value in your post other than "be this". It's a stupid void statement offering no practical steps.
It's like saying "Be like Michael Jordan to be good at basketball", when in reality Michael Jordan was pissing and shitting his pants most of the time about losing his spot on the team and being poor again.

 No.285243

>>285241
You missed the mark. Dungeons and Dragons has become popularized and it's not a nerd wizard niche hobby anymore same as every other nerd hobby, is now targeted for the masses of normalfags, look at baldurs gate for a niche game that is now about to win GOTY of 2023, so yes, you will find even those uberchads in conventions. His post rings true in every other aspect >>284233
Autistic wizards and normalfags are two complete different species and there is nothing we can do about it. I'm not going to try and mask because why should I? Just to fit in with people that will never accept me and talk shit behind my back? That's every normalfag.

 No.285245

>>285239
and this is sad wiz. i yearn so badly for a place with no normalfags i get enough of them anyway. yearn to get some rest.

 No.285246

>>285245
Normies love to bully and punch down ugly wizards in the name of whatever made up justifications are convenient at the time, around normies never relax. I've seen it happen so many times growing up that a poor ugly kid gets beaten for no reason at all then you realize it's because he is not neurotypical and looks weird.

 No.285247

selfimproovers be like
>doesn't matter that you have no legs, just be confident and they'll grow back

 No.285260

>>285247
selfimproovers be like
>hey man a wheelchair might help you get around instead of just not moving at all. you don't want one? dude just get a wheelchair life will be easier for you trust me. prove it? nah, fuck off dude, just stay miserable then.

 No.285277

>>285260
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT A FUCKING WHEELCHAIR, I WANT FUCKING LEGS. I REFUSE TO ADMIT THAT I AM BROKEN AND LACKING. FUCK YOU.

 No.285295

>This is horrifically bad
>It's not that bad
>You're only saying that because you're a LOSER and you got BULLIED, and you thinking it's not bad is evidence you're a delusional bullied loser!

Ironically, you're behaving exactly like the people you're most complaining about. Half the replies to people in this thread could constitute bullying and put downs, you seem to be doing your utmost best to crash the self esteem of people browsing.

 No.285317

normalfags will bully wizards for any reason they can find if you are ugly then that's what they will go for

 No.285322

>>285295
>you seem to be doing your utmost best to crash the self esteem of people browsing.
Because that's exactly the goal of this entire thread. Just replace I by you.

 No.285323

>>285322
Following your logic, the goal of the hentai thread is to get wizards to masturbate to gay furry porn, traps, and little succubi. Why aren't you protesting there?

 No.285324

>>285323
>Following your logic, the goal of the hentai thread is to get wizards to masturbate to gay furry porn, traps, and little succubi
I think that's pretty obvious at this point.

 No.285376

>>285323
There's no other reason for that thread to exist outside of containment.

 No.285396

>wanted to see what normies consider "ugly" so I went to a /soc/ rate thread
>attractive guys getting 5 and 6 ratings
>normal guys 2-4
>this dumb slut posts
>like 5 guys go ZOMG 8/10!

Absolutely disgraceful. I guess its all about sex to them but if that's their standard, I totally can understand where you guys are coming from. Anyway, I was a fool to think normies evaluated attractiveness like me (which is to say, objectively of course) and I should learn not to give the eternal normie the benefit of the doubt.

 No.285397

>>285396

Don’t take anything said on 4chan seriously. The stuff said there isn’t reflective of reality.

 No.285399

>>285397
If anything, its probably worse irl. I mean most of these people were probably trying to ingratiate themselves with the other normies to get better evaluations themselves.

 No.285404

>>285399
It isn’t.

 No.285456

>>285397
>Don’t take anything said on 4chan seriously.
>The stuff said there isn’t reflective of reality.
Actually, it depends but you need to use common sense. In your case, I guess it's too hard for you to handle the truth.

 No.285467

>>285456
>common sense
>truth
Enlighten us.

 No.285474

>>285456
you are part of the cult

 No.285479

>>284221
I hate seeing this gif so I blocked it. Not because he is ugly, but because his movement is so uncanny and creepy. I guess this is what succubi mean when they mean a guy is creepy, a guy who they aren't attracted to trying to sex them up. Again, it isn't because the guy is ugly.

Now I can understand why crabs think succubi only want chads. They do weird shit like this and don't even think of why it is seen as weird. They always jump to looks, which isn't completely true.

 No.285484

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 No.285491

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>>285479
You've nailed it, wizzie. The OPgif is awkward, self-conscious, aware of his trying-while-he-tries. Not only succubi sense its fakeness—all humans do.

The truly creepy don't understand why they're creepy. They're inauthentic, unnatural, graceless. Ugly.

 No.285502

>>285479
>I hate seeing this gif
>so I blocked it.
lol lookshurt
>Not because he is ugly,
lol delusional nigger. It is because he is ugly. you can replace the OP with an actual good looking dude doing the exact same motions and gestures and you wouldn't be creeped out like you are
> his movement is so uncanny and creepy.
because he is ugly.
> this is what succubi mean when they mean a guy is creepy,
> it isn't because the guy is ugly.
It is because he is ugly you delusional nigger lmao normalfags like you are so delusional is funny to see.

 No.285506

>>285502
You're retarded! Obviously Chad looks good shooting up a school because of halo effect. It doesn't mean the guy in OP isn't just a normal looking dude and not particularly ugly.

 No.285514

do you crabs have anything except your ass to testify that op is ugly and not just being arbitrarily dumb with that cringe movements of his?

 No.285564

>>285514
It's almost like looks are subjective or something.

 No.285572

>>285564
Not that subjective

 No.285574

>>285564
>>284671
if looks are not subjective what measures except their ass do crabs offer?

 No.285576

>>285574
how long are you planning to cry about crabs? You should kill yourself instead. Nobody on wizchan wants to read your butthurt posts.

 No.285577

>>285574
yknow subjective doesn't mean "cannot be measured", it just means everyone will measure it somewhat differently.

 No.285589

>>285576
seethe
kekeke
>>285577
they pretend to have an objective measure, [irony]based on females' opinions[/irony]

 No.285594

it's over, OP. I'm balding as well.

 No.285805

>>285594
The remarks from men are even more numerous than anything succubus say about balding…

 No.285836

>>285805
why do mention females and defend them in your post?

 No.285972

I read some studies saying that ugly people tend to be introverted, shy, and more solitary than their counterparts who are good looking or average, and it makes sense considering people don't want to be around you because of how you look or they will actively make you socializing more difficult and like a pain unlike with the rest.

There's no cope for being ugly as much as there is a cope for being short. Unless you count withdrawing in your room and spending time alone as a cope, but that's because others ostracize ugly people. It's well documented that we also get paid less and in school lower grades or treated poorly by teachers, etc. the abuse we receive from society never ends.

This isn't even a conspiracy, this is human nature in display. It will be nice if this was a fair world, but it isn't.

 No.285980

How many people here are truly ugly?

I thought I was ugly in school and it made me bitter so I isolated myself and wallowed in self-pity way before this culture emerged on imageboards.

Only way later did I realize that I was just average. Instead of seeing this as a negative because I won't be getting free adoration I should have seen it as a relief that my looks won't hold me back and I should become an attractive person in other ways. If you open your eyes you see that all the crab dooming is just false. There are so many guys that look average and yet have good jobs and attractive partners. All this "blackpilling" I see online is a true cancer that is ruining lives.

 No.286000

>>285980
Very few people are truly ugly or beautiful. It's a bell curve, and most full on ugliness is when people purposely make themselves ugly through drug or meth addiction. Most people are somewhere within the range of average, on one side or another, and are just boring.

>>285972
Literally just fuck off, you've been at your moping for weeks now. There's other traits your wah wahs also apply to, like height, intelligence, personality, health, wealth, etc. You can pick out any inequality in the human experience to do this shit with. Yes, we all know being ugly sucks. What's the point in repetitively going into detail about it in the myriad of ways it expresses itself?

 No.286113

One day Im going to kill all the normalfaggots who made fun of me for my looks.

 No.286115

>>285594
I went bald in my early 20s. I look like a "subhuman" and the kumbaya "let's contribute to society we're all one happy family" normies treat me like a turd. I got over pussy a long time ago but I can sense it affect my life in many other ways.

 No.286180

>>286115
life imitates art. We are the reject and we did nothing to deserve it, but in every story, movie, play, comic, novel, etc. there has to be heroes and villains, good looking and ugly people, intelligent and dumb people, and so on…

 No.286181

>>285980
I am truly ugly. Can’t speak on most others here but my face is beyond fucked up.

 No.286228

What we can learn from this thread is that ugly people are insufferable and should all be indiscriminately killed.

 No.286379

>>286228
lol uglyhurt.

 No.286395

>>286228
total wizard death

 No.286509

there's no much help tbh unless you consider surgery and other procedures.

 No.286512

>>286228
I think ugly people can tolerate each other pretty well unless they're preoccupied with crab narratives or whatever. The point really ends at "statistically people might treat you worse". Insufferable is too strong of a word.

 No.286516

>>286512
talking from experience? lmaoo

 No.286518

>>286516
Yeah? This is a thread for ugly people.

 No.286523

>>286518
Is that guy supposed to be ugly? Cause he isn't.

 No.286524

^ man lover

 No.286583

"Discussion on attractiveness of 3D persons" isn't still a written part of rule 7, but the plug will be pulled nonetheless when celebrity pictures are being posted to "dunk on the uggos" in /dep/

 No.286622

>>286512
I speak of it coming from something innately rotten or mediocre within themselves. The outside is usually a good reflection of what's on the inside; they are pre-destined to behave the way they do.

 No.286648

>>284221
It really depends of how ugly you are.

The guy from the gif you posted is an average guy, he's not handsome, but he's definitely not hideous. I imagine most of you are normie-tier when it comes to looks, you will not play life in easy mode, but you won't have any trouble to live a decent life.

Now if you are an absolute subhuman abomination like myself, there is no way to cope. You were born to suffer and suffer you shall.

 No.286652

>>286648
> I imagine most of you are normie-tier when it comes to looks

Based on what? I'm beyond ugly.

 No.286655


 No.286849

I'm not even ugly and people treat me like insignificant trash to mock and an annoyance with no value.

 No.286851

>>286850
you will never have friends
anyway you make it sound like something bad. opgif is tolerable

 No.287022

>>286849
maybe you are a ugly and can't judge your appearance objectively.

 No.287426

ugly wizbros, does it get any better?

 No.287451

>>287426
Get a cool haircut, you'll feel better.

 No.287453

>>287451
go back to reddit

 No.287466

>>287451
How is that going to change my face?

 No.287707

HOW THE FUCK AM I LOSING HAIR SO FAST? It was just a small widows peak a few months ago and when I checked just now it moved 1 inch back. I am only 24 years old. FUCK

 No.287708

>>287707
Pfizer or Moderna?

 No.287709

>>287707
I last saw one of my cousins like 4 years ago and he had a full head off hair except for a small bald spot in the back. Then we got a Christmas card this year and he is 100% bald on the entire top. Crazy how fast it can hit. My only tip is to avoid sugar and alcohol because they can produce sebum which feeds a fungus that produces acid that harms the hair follicles. Nizoral can help kill it too. If that doesn't work you're just doomed.

 No.287714

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>>284221
> How do I cope with being ugly
Accept that it has been your designated role in life.
Your singular purpose in this life is to exist as an ugly person so hot people can feel better in comparison.
This is your calling.
This is the role you fulfill.

 No.287715

>>287708
very low-quality bait

 No.287717

>>287715
you know its gonna happen at the end of the year right? you realize why they're building bunkers you moron? they're gonna kill off the cattle while using robots to live in their society

 No.287718

>>287717
Yeah well this picture >>287714 shows it's not going to end well, so take that!

 No.287719

>>287717
I want the full explanation. What are (((they))) truly planning? How can a wizard survive?

 No.287720

>>287719
It's still just a catch but its my best deduction at the end of 2024, theres no way 2024 is gonna end in a good note that I can tell, something feels very off

 No.287721

>>287720
I agree, something is very off. Any speculation as to what that something might be? It's like the air just doesn't feel right anymore.

 No.287722

>>287721
I don't know? You're working for nothing but to just survive? You're money is being taken away to fund man made horrors instead of yourself and your community? Everyone seems to be feeling low nowadays, fucking politics ruin everything.

 No.287728

>>287722
> yourself and your community?
what fucking community?

 No.287747

>>287728
your country, your fucking money, fuck man why does no one give a shit anymore? I fucking hate being a slave, this shit is exhausting and its sad I see no change in our society.

 No.287748

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>>287747
This is no country of mine, nor society. The best I can hope is to feed and drug myself until death releases me.

 No.287752

>>284221
Get ripped, shave your head, get a face tattoo, dress in long black trenchcoats, wear sunglasses everywhere. this way people with see you as a dangerous freak instead of a nerd.

 No.287754

>>287752
You might end up attracting the attention of actual dangerous freaks who'd fuck you up though.

 No.287788

>>284221

There's nothing wrong with your face. So I imagine that because you say you are non-neurotypical, it shows immediately in your body language.

Non-neurotypical will show in the way you carry yourself and it will show in other non-verbal ways like lack of eye contact.

 No.287815

>>287788
>There's nothing wrong with your face
how would you know that?
>>285103
>guy in pic is above average
how? I've seen that type get bullied all through school and even in college.

 No.287820

>>287815
frat boy types have thicc faces like that

 No.288012

The same normalniggers who bullied you because of your face or height will then try to gaslight you into thinking that you are not ugly and then tell you to improve and get a better personality.

 No.288013

>>288012
Have you tried taking a 100 showers?

 No.288079

normalfags are just not happy with deluding themselves they must delude the rest too
for example if you were to say you are ugly and experienced bullying as a result
normalfags will gaslight you into believing you were bullied because of your personality and other bullshit and go on to say that there's plenty of ugly people doing great in life and being happy and other retarded platitudes they have no way to prove, but because they are niggers they need to spot that nonsensical shit and blame you and claim it's your own fault for feeling bad for being deformed.

It's all a cope on their part. They feel threatened by the existence of someone that escapes their notion of a life they are used to.
Threatened by wizlife is a thing.
Normalfags can't grasp a life different than their own, they have no imagination or creativity so they just vomit their happy go lucky everything is perfect "thoughts"
like the hiveminded retards slaves of the system they are. Never trust them with your problems. They are NOT going to help you.

That will be my advice.

 No.288093

>something shows a correlation between it and negative outcomes in life
>Hysterical depressed faggots make out that it means it's irrevocably guaranteed 100% each and every time, no questions asked

I hate this, I'm not sure if it's one annoying faggot spamming it in every second thread on this website, or if people on here are legitimately that fucked in the head.

 No.288097

>>288093
>>Hysterical depressed faggots make out that it means it's irrevocably guaranteed 100% each and every time,
disingenuous strawman to protect yourself from the cold truth and also disparaging against wizards who are depressed by calling them hysterical depressed faggots. If you don't have problems, why insult others who do?

 No.288098

>>284221
this guy just looks failed normie tier not wizardly

 No.288155

>>288097
It's literally not a strawman, that is how you behave.

 No.288188

>>287707
Do you have dandruff?
I have seborrheic dermatitis (dandruff) on my head and face since I was in my early things and I was pretty much fully bald by 25. Not only that but it makes my nose and cheeks super red and oily. This fucking thing has ruined my life and it doesn't go away no matter how much money I spend on treatments.

 No.288478

based ugly wizards

 No.288479

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Are you guys actually ugly?

I thought I was ugly in school so I avoided everyone, sat in the back of class and went home straight to the computer.

I stumbled upon my old photographs and I look totally normal. Sure I wouldn't get any compliments on my looks but my looks were no obstacle. I feel like such a fool. Youth is indeed wasted on the young.

 No.288497

Lets be real. Most of us are here because we are ugly. I don't imagine this site being filled with "volcel" gigachads, like some people here would want you to believe. No one chooses to be a wizard. At the very least you would need to have some sort of mental issue to end up like this.

 No.288498

>>288497
>No one chooses to be a wizard.
You can pay for sex virtually everywhere. One of my coworkers showed me a website you can actually see pictures of succubi, choose and pay for everything online. I can definitely tell you I choose not to do that and not due to some mental illness, like you seem to imply.

 No.288499

>>288497
>No one chooses to be a wizard
why not? its actually not that bad. Succubi only cost you money, nerves and time and they always end up betraying you or cucking you.
so whats so unrealistic about someone not wanting to participate in that relationshit and not wanting to be a model citizen?

 No.288500

>>288498
Not to sound like a crab but that's not the same as being chosen or a succubus having raw attraction towards you.

 No.288501

>>288500
everytime a volcel wizchad tries to prove himself, the jealous crabs call for him to be banned as a "normie", even though being able to reject succubi is the truest of wiz.

so just cant win. cant prove it. try to prove it, and the crabs want you banned.

 No.288502

There is a pleasure in being volcel wizchad, its like you could have what every other man wants, and you're proving to everyone that you could, and yet you're so moral and superior, living by a higher set of values that you turn it down, you feel more god than man. so there is a thrill and enjoyment and pleasure to being volcel. its like you've won the game, but you're so far above the game you refuse to play it. and yeah if you're gonna make a big claim like that, you gotta constantly prove it.

 No.288503

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>>288499
>>288501
The funny thing about the TruWiz™ concept to me is that no real wizard would browse this site. Because if you are truly satisfied and secure with your solitude virginity doesn't become part of your identity and you don't "REEEE" if you have to talk to normal people.

 No.288504

>>288497
>Lets be real. Most of us are here because we are ugly
agreed, ignore the trolls and larpers that wanna destroy this site.
>>288498
paying for sex is failed normalfag and normalfag shit.
>>288499
if relationships don't happen naturally to you like it did with most normal people then you are just failed normalfag.

 No.288507

You don't.. You just wait the time you'll finally do it.

 No.288511

>>288503
This is picture is fake, the Red Ring is missing.

 No.288515

>>288503
being a volcel is a unique lifestyle choice and system of ethics so he might want to talk with those who share similar values, but he wouldn't spend all day here.

 No.288527

>>288511
No jewelry in the gym or tanning booth.

 No.288529

>>288527
That's Mt. Doom back there, not Planet fucking Fitness is it? I'm telling you that picture is fake.

 No.288530

>>288529
truwiz uses it to tan

 No.288531

>>288530
I guess one could.

 No.288532

>>288531
Not just anyone, but THE one. The One True White Wizard

 No.288541

>>288503
We are the failed truwiz,
But a fail truwiz is still a king

 No.288680

it's okay, we will get our revenge one day.

 No.288681

>>288680
Going ER?

 No.288752

>>284221
it gets steadily easier as you age, we all end up grey and wrinkled and ugly eventually

 No.288847

>>288752
>just wait until everyone is 60 years old

 No.289028

try not to leave your house that's what I do and because we are living in the modern era we have lot of entertainment to distract us with

 No.289068

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>>288681
Nice try, glowie

 No.289104

>>288515
If you're really ugly, you can't be "vol" cel by definition.

Seeing as voluntariness implies a choice in the matter.
It's like saying a homeless limbless hobo is voluntarily choosing not to be a billionaire while freezing to death.

 No.289128

>>289104
Ugly in the eyes of who? Succubi?

No. A succubus doe snot get to decide if any man qualifies as being in control of his sexual actions or not. If he's a virgin and is not currently trying to get inside someone, he's voluntary celibate. There's always the option of having sex with one of the 40 million prostitutes who would accept $54.95 for a fuckmaking session, regardless of how ugly the desperado in question is. Sure he may not be able to attract his hypothetical ideal beautiful preteen succubus with his looks, but the option to lose his virginity is always there for the taking. He disregards it, for he doesn't value sex, for he is a voluntary celibate.

Leave your "no true volcels" rhetoric in your big text file of shitty posts instead of posting it here.

 No.289129

>>289104
Agreed. I, for example, have no choice in this matter because I am autistic and females don't even consider me a human being cause I can barely communicate and when I do I don't know how to follow up a conversation less with a female so I will die a virgin.
>>289128
>There's always the option of having sex with one of the 40 million prostitutes
if the only way you have to obtain sex is through paying literal whores who've been with over 1k men then you are by definition an i n c e l, not a volcel. Why are you fooling yourself?
It's like saying that everyone who's a virgin is volcel because they never tried to rape a succubus and rape is always accessible so then it becomes a you never tried hard enough to get sex so you are volcel which is a foolish argument at this point. I am happy being an i n c e l and there is nothing wrong with that. I'd also never stood up so low as to try to have sex with a filthy whore, that's something actual normalfags do no real wizards like me.

 No.289130

>>289129
>It's like saying that everyone who's a virgin is volcel because they never tried to rape a succubus
It's nothing like that. Rape and prostitution are opposites.
>I am happy being an i n c e l
Doubt. Go tell your fellow crabs on the crab forums how happy you are as a crab.

 No.289131

>>289130
what they have in common is sexing a succubus who lacks attraction 2u

 No.289132

>>289131
But the sex IS there for the taking. Ignoring it despite its ease has been hailed since the dawn of time to be an excellent measure of willpower and purity.

 No.289133

I HATE BEING ALIVE!!! AAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

 No.289134

>>289132
Yeah I don't disagree with volcelism. I was just saying rape and prostitutes aren't opposites. they are all sex slaves anyway, so it is rape. but sure easy for any man who wants it.

 No.289135

>>289129
pretty much. If your last resort to getting sex is PAYING to a WHORE, you are as in cel as they come. There is literally nothing volcel about having your only option being a whore.
>>289130
this is a virgin imageboard and i ncels are virgins. Nothing wrong with being an i ncel not everyone can be born a normalfag. You know females will only pick you if you display normalfag traits, right? So being volcel in a way means you are one.

 No.291469

>>284221
Yo come to wizchan to seek help against the internalized cuckery of wanting to fit in, not the opposite.

Try the opposite. Be weird. Painfully, aggressively if you have to. Set your limits, your conditions.

 No.291470

>>289135
crabs are disregarded here, since they crave sex and falling for succubi's games. You are horribly wrong.


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