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New thread.
Discuss all weapons, modern and ancient, projectile and non-.
Armor discussion welcome.
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Discuss all weapons, modern and ancient, projectile and non-.
Armor discussion welcome.
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
I was considering building a flail but it is prohibited in my country. I might still anyway.
I am beginning to collect knives. Nothing fancy, mostly skinners and friction folders, but I'd like to collect firearms instead. I sent away for a Chinese M14 rifle, but they're sold out locally and the government is taking its time to do their end of the paperwork.
I am beginning to collect knives. Nothing fancy, mostly skinners and friction folders, but I'd like to collect firearms instead. I sent away for a Chinese M14 rifle, but they're sold out locally and the government is taking its time to do their end of the paperwork.
>>42372
Dumb how you can buy a battle rifle, even under restrictions, but a flail is absolutely no-no.
I want to make a flail, too, but it would need to be authentically crafted and forge welding is a very time consuming stressful art to master.
Btw, to think that smiths used to crank the things out by the millions with features like hollow balls (how do you even forge those?) and integral spikes/studs instead of brazed on ones. It really fills me with a great appreciation for the skill of ancient people.
Dumb how you can buy a battle rifle, even under restrictions, but a flail is absolutely no-no.
I want to make a flail, too, but it would need to be authentically crafted and forge welding is a very time consuming stressful art to master.
Btw, to think that smiths used to crank the things out by the millions with features like hollow balls (how do you even forge those?) and integral spikes/studs instead of brazed on ones. It really fills me with a great appreciation for the skill of ancient people.
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>>42373
Yeah, it's all about intended purpose. A firearm is a hunting tool, but a morning star is just something that was ever used to obliterate walls of humans - While a firearm has been used to do the same thing in the past, that's not the purpose recognized by the courts.
http://ejmas.com/tin/2004tin/tinart_agnew_0104.html
Of course I could own a a regular mace like in the OP picture, because that has use as a meat treating tool. The laws are pretty lenient compared to many countries though. I carry a knife everywhere, sometimes in plain sight, and never have any problems.
>with features like hollow balls (how do you even forge those?)
I think they make the outside mold, and then suspend a sand or clay ball inside that isn't touching anything. Then they cast the metal and leave an open hole which they use to break away the inside mold leaving a hollow structure which can be sealed. It's a shame so few examples of medieval weapons survived to this day. Long poleaxes are semi common because they were a popular display piece even back in their day, but finding a sword or bow which has seen a few centuries is impossible. It doesn't help that a lot of countries that were making them are taking steps to destroy whatever remains because it's now illegal. Pic related is selling for $100,000
Yeah, it's all about intended purpose. A firearm is a hunting tool, but a morning star is just something that was ever used to obliterate walls of humans - While a firearm has been used to do the same thing in the past, that's not the purpose recognized by the courts.
http://ejmas.com/tin/2004tin/tinart_agnew_0104.html
Of course I could own a a regular mace like in the OP picture, because that has use as a meat treating tool. The laws are pretty lenient compared to many countries though. I carry a knife everywhere, sometimes in plain sight, and never have any problems.
>with features like hollow balls (how do you even forge those?)
I think they make the outside mold, and then suspend a sand or clay ball inside that isn't touching anything. Then they cast the metal and leave an open hole which they use to break away the inside mold leaving a hollow structure which can be sealed. It's a shame so few examples of medieval weapons survived to this day. Long poleaxes are semi common because they were a popular display piece even back in their day, but finding a sword or bow which has seen a few centuries is impossible. It doesn't help that a lot of countries that were making them are taking steps to destroy whatever remains because it's now illegal. Pic related is selling for $100,000
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I've been reading about hand to hand combat on post-firearms wars and found some interesting info. Mostly about trench weapons like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trench_raiding_club. It's a mace but since soldiers in WWI weren't using armor it didn't need to be particularly heavy or have spikes. Here's some pictures.
>>42377
I'm pretty sure no countries are destroying century-old artifacts and antiques. Know the real reason that so few survive has to do with the fact that they're made out of steel and iron and usually weren't stored under ideal conditions.
Funny I thing is bronze age weapon from over a thousand years ago can still occasionally be found in good condition because bronze resist corrosion far longer then iron.
I'm pretty sure no countries are destroying century-old artifacts and antiques. Know the real reason that so few survive has to do with the fact that they're made out of steel and iron and usually weren't stored under ideal conditions.
Funny I thing is bronze age weapon from over a thousand years ago can still occasionally be found in good condition because bronze resist corrosion far longer then iron.
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I like the Roman Gladius sword. I wouldn't mind having it at home on a stand as a decoration. I like the Roman era in general.
I would also like to own a few handguns. I don't know anything about guns, but I like the Sig sauer handguns and Walther PPK.
I would also like to own a few handguns. I don't know anything about guns, but I like the Sig sauer handguns and Walther PPK.
Do any wizards carry knives or other deterrents on them when they travel the city? Hard to get food without trudging through the concrete jungle.
Would a simple knife be effective in scarring away whatever human shit tries to take what's yours? Alternatively, do any wizards have experience brandishing weapons as a self defence against threatening norcs?
Would a simple knife be effective in scarring away whatever human shit tries to take what's yours? Alternatively, do any wizards have experience brandishing weapons as a self defence against threatening norcs?
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>>42387
If it's legal in your area, by all means carry a knife, even if it's just a steak knife in your back pocket. In many areas where knife carry is permitted though, announcing intent to use it to harm or threaten another human life, even in self defense, is a crime on its own. If you can carry one openly, get something with a sturdy belt sheath. If the sheath is visible on your person, then it's not likely to be considered concealed, which alleviates some risk of your carrying being regarded as ill-intended. Bonus points if it's a multi-tool of some sort with more functionality than just slicing and poking. I carry this Walther Blacktac around everywhere. The girth of it and the Walther logo make it clear that it's a metal tool of some sort.
I've never had a violent face-to-face altercation, but if I did, I'd resort to the knife last to come off as the responsible and nonthreatening party should the police get involved. plus I feel kicking my way out of a jam would be more fun.
If it's legal in your area, by all means carry a knife, even if it's just a steak knife in your back pocket. In many areas where knife carry is permitted though, announcing intent to use it to harm or threaten another human life, even in self defense, is a crime on its own. If you can carry one openly, get something with a sturdy belt sheath. If the sheath is visible on your person, then it's not likely to be considered concealed, which alleviates some risk of your carrying being regarded as ill-intended. Bonus points if it's a multi-tool of some sort with more functionality than just slicing and poking. I carry this Walther Blacktac around everywhere. The girth of it and the Walther logo make it clear that it's a metal tool of some sort.
I've never had a violent face-to-face altercation, but if I did, I'd resort to the knife last to come off as the responsible and nonthreatening party should the police get involved. plus I feel kicking my way out of a jam would be more fun.
>>42387
Brandishing is a really stupid idea.
If you don't know how to use the thing and you are not fully committed to using it once it is out it will get taken from you and used against you.
Get a can of mace and learn how to use it, when, and what some of the downsides to it are.
Spray and run away.
I am certainly not against knifes but I am fully and firmly against carrying one and waving it around without hands on training and at the very least basic self defense knowledge, including the laws in your area and how they apply to self defense with a knife.
Brandishing is a really stupid idea.
If you don't know how to use the thing and you are not fully committed to using it once it is out it will get taken from you and used against you.
Get a can of mace and learn how to use it, when, and what some of the downsides to it are.
Spray and run away.
I am certainly not against knifes but I am fully and firmly against carrying one and waving it around without hands on training and at the very least basic self defense knowledge, including the laws in your area and how they apply to self defense with a knife.
>>42391
Even with proper training it's generally a pretty fucking stupid idea to carry around a knife unless you REALLY know what you're doing. As soon as you pull it out, the whole situation escalates very quickly.
Even with proper training it's generally a pretty fucking stupid idea to carry around a knife unless you REALLY know what you're doing. As soon as you pull it out, the whole situation escalates very quickly.
my personal defense strategy is just avoiding people altogether, but if it comes to the worst, my strategy switches to bear macing the bastard(s),
then hauling ass,
and only if those two fail would I pull my dagger
>>42391
>it will get taken from you and used against you
please, not that ridiculous little comic book trope again
villains aren't supermen who can simply reach forward and pluck a blade from someone's grip, if you try that in the real world you'll get seriously injured
then hauling ass,
and only if those two fail would I pull my dagger
>>42391
>it will get taken from you and used against you
please, not that ridiculous little comic book trope again
villains aren't supermen who can simply reach forward and pluck a blade from someone's grip, if you try that in the real world you'll get seriously injured
>>42394
>villains aren't supermen who can simply reach forward and pluck a blade from someone's grip, if you try that in the real world you'll get seriously injured
The point is that if you pull out the knife and then hesitate even a little bit about using it, it'll get wrestled from you, and the villain is not going to hesitate using it. Or simply giving you a no-holds-barred beatdown for pulling a blade on him. That's not a comic book trope, that's common sense.
>villains aren't supermen who can simply reach forward and pluck a blade from someone's grip, if you try that in the real world you'll get seriously injured
The point is that if you pull out the knife and then hesitate even a little bit about using it, it'll get wrestled from you, and the villain is not going to hesitate using it. Or simply giving you a no-holds-barred beatdown for pulling a blade on him. That's not a comic book trope, that's common sense.
>>42394
Are you retarded?
This is what happens in real life.
It is well know problem, why the fuck do you think weapon retention techniques exist in all forms of security and law enforcement training?
>work safe video of someone who pulled a knife, was over powered, and then was at the mercy of the guy who disarmed him.
Are you retarded?
This is what happens in real life.
It is well know problem, why the fuck do you think weapon retention techniques exist in all forms of security and law enforcement training?
>work safe video of someone who pulled a knife, was over powered, and then was at the mercy of the guy who disarmed him.
>>42404
He has a point though- the first person to show a blade instantly escalates the conflict to life threatening. Doing this ups the risk and you're pouring adrenaline, risk and lack of time to make decisions into the situation. The other person cannot be trusted to make a rational decision in this situation. They will go down to base instinct, which is possibly to charge in the hope that they take you off guard. And if you only brought the knife for deterrence, they will take you off guard.
Carry pepper spray or something like that- It's bad to get sprayed (very), but your life is never endangered when at the receiving end. Also it's ranged.
He has a point though- the first person to show a blade instantly escalates the conflict to life threatening. Doing this ups the risk and you're pouring adrenaline, risk and lack of time to make decisions into the situation. The other person cannot be trusted to make a rational decision in this situation. They will go down to base instinct, which is possibly to charge in the hope that they take you off guard. And if you only brought the knife for deterrence, they will take you off guard.
Carry pepper spray or something like that- It's bad to get sprayed (very), but your life is never endangered when at the receiving end. Also it's ranged.
>>42404
I actually know what I am talking about.
You are in denial for whatever reason (I suspect you carry a knife as a security blanket but refuse to get any training but want to believe that just having it magical makes you safer). It happens, it is a risk, and people have died from it happening.
I actually know what I am talking about.
You are in denial for whatever reason (I suspect you carry a knife as a security blanket but refuse to get any training but want to believe that just having it magical makes you safer). It happens, it is a risk, and people have died from it happening.
It is no fair that my favorite "self defense" weapon is illegal just about everywhere to carry.
>>42412
>I actually know what I am talking about.
sumimasen, I didn't know the kung fu master was here
please teach us your sword disarmament moves sensei
>I actually know what I am talking about.
sumimasen, I didn't know the kung fu master was here
please teach us your sword disarmament moves sensei
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Pocket knifes aren't good for self defense. What you need is a machete, no one will come near you much less try to disarm you if you have a machete, because it's long enough that they won't be able to reach for your hand before you hack them. Unless they have a machete or a gun, at which point you'll either die or have an epic machete battle (and then you both die very brutal deaths).
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>>42415
Forgot image.
Forgot image.
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I would like to have me a nice sabre like this.
>>42423
man that looks ugly whats with all the dingly bits and pokey parts where you have your hand??
man that looks ugly whats with all the dingly bits and pokey parts where you have your hand??
>>42426
well now that you say clamshell i can kind of see a resemblance from the round thing, but what are those other things sticking out? just a light minimal protection from certain angles?
well now that you say clamshell i can kind of see a resemblance from the round thing, but what are those other things sticking out? just a light minimal protection from certain angles?
>>42431
The 'things sticking out' are guards; they can be used to hook the opponent's blade if the opponent's blade slides down to the base.
The 'things sticking out' are guards; they can be used to hook the opponent's blade if the opponent's blade slides down to the base.
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>>42431
>just a light minimal protection from certain angles?
Actually, quite adequate protection of the hand. Unlike ebin animes you can't cut through steel, even a thin bar will pritect the hand. This combined with the techinques behind sabre fighting make it very suitable hand protection. Most examples of sabres actually have less hand protection than that.
Sabres are great though one of my favorite kind of sword ever, they are elegant and stately and I can picture a wizardly abode with old sabres hanging on the wall beside old Russian paintings and bookshelves.
>>42434
>Unlike ebin animes you can't cut through steel, even a thin bar will pritect the hand.
It is rare but there are historical accounts of hand guards being cut clean through and injuring the hand. And also accounts of this happening and the guy still fighting through it and killing a fuck load more people or holding a position. So I think in the middle of a fight the fact that it aids retention is more important then the fact that it offers some hand protection.
>Unlike ebin animes you can't cut through steel, even a thin bar will pritect the hand.
It is rare but there are historical accounts of hand guards being cut clean through and injuring the hand. And also accounts of this happening and the guy still fighting through it and killing a fuck load more people or holding a position. So I think in the middle of a fight the fact that it aids retention is more important then the fact that it offers some hand protection.
>>42434
Before we had katana cultists, now we have european sword cultists. HEMA was a mistake.
Before we had katana cultists, now we have european sword cultists. HEMA was a mistake.
>>42396
lol did he try to swing it? i'm pretty sure you are supposed to stab, another thing is to hold your hand at the back, so that they can't reach it and grab the knife.
>weapon retention techniques
afaik all those technique are aimed at retards who use knifes as sabers, which is the wast majority of knife wielders.
lol did he try to swing it? i'm pretty sure you are supposed to stab, another thing is to hold your hand at the back, so that they can't reach it and grab the knife.
>weapon retention techniques
afaik all those technique are aimed at retards who use knifes as sabers, which is the wast majority of knife wielders.
>>42440
I'm fond of chinese swords, myself. Especially the choppers.
http://dadao1.rssing.com/chan-51797365/all_p1.html
I'm fond of chinese swords, myself. Especially the choppers.
http://dadao1.rssing.com/chan-51797365/all_p1.html
>>42436
If an opposing blade ever went through a guard, it's because the guard broke, not because it was cut. I'd imagine from over-hardening or lots of inclusions weakening the metal. Or possibly by being severely notched from many previous blows in the same spot. Any piece of steel or iron or even bronze thicker than like 1/10th of an inch is just impossible to – technically speaking – cut with human strength. Doesn't matter how sharp your blade is.
>>42431
I seriously can't believe your question
it's like you've never seen a picture of a sword before
If an opposing blade ever went through a guard, it's because the guard broke, not because it was cut. I'd imagine from over-hardening or lots of inclusions weakening the metal. Or possibly by being severely notched from many previous blows in the same spot. Any piece of steel or iron or even bronze thicker than like 1/10th of an inch is just impossible to – technically speaking – cut with human strength. Doesn't matter how sharp your blade is.
>>42431
I seriously can't believe your question
it's like you've never seen a picture of a sword before
>>42472
Here is a way to tell if you should risk buying it or not.
Can you comfortably afford 5 of them?
If not then you really shouldn't buy it from a budget perspective since if it turns out not to be a good investment it will hurt pretty bad.
Here is a way to tell if you should risk buying it or not.
Can you comfortably afford 5 of them?
If not then you really shouldn't buy it from a budget perspective since if it turns out not to be a good investment it will hurt pretty bad.
Lately I've been thinking a fun challenge would be making a flintlock pistol. I could make a barrel by copper brazing one end closed on a pipe. A propane torch, hammer and set of needle files would fashion all the lockwork.
OTOH I'd never use it for anything.
OTOH I'd never use it for anything.
>>43044
I'd own a gun by now but the psych ward made me sign a form upon release suspending any possible ownership for five years. ;_;
I'd own a gun by now but the psych ward made me sign a form upon release suspending any possible ownership for five years. ;_;
>>43124
What was the processes like in your state?
I am strongly considering getting one but I am totally new to all this. Are the fees expensive, do you have to go on a list with every gun you get and how much ammo you buy?
Is it hard to find places to practice? Is practice ammo and maintenance too expensive for someone who makes lower middle class level income?
What was the processes like in your state?
I am strongly considering getting one but I am totally new to all this. Are the fees expensive, do you have to go on a list with every gun you get and how much ammo you buy?
Is it hard to find places to practice? Is practice ammo and maintenance too expensive for someone who makes lower middle class level income?
>>43153
>fees
>process
Jesus man
In my state you can just go in and buy a gun with as little trouble as you might buy a bag of chips
>fees
>process
Jesus man
In my state you can just go in and buy a gun with as little trouble as you might buy a bag of chips
>>43153
If you want a CCW permit, it can take up to 6 months to receive the letter in the mail. If your state requires you to get a CCW before you can openly or concealed carry, then you should find a licensed firearms instructor to take a concealed carry class with ASAP.
And guns aren't expensive depending upon what you want the gun to do for you. Think about what you're getting a gun for. If you want a gun that will sit at home doing nothing "in case of a home invasion", then just get a metal bat. Guns are for hunting or general deterrence. You should only get a gun if you are going to regularly carry it or use it for hunting/sport. Otherwise, you are wasting money.
I'm a NEET, and I was able to afford a few guns, ammo, licensing fees, and cleaning compounds for my guns. You should have enough common sense with your financial situation to do the same. If you have made poor choices financially, and you cannot afford a gun, then do not bother. Get your life in order before you try to get a gun.
If you want a CCW permit, it can take up to 6 months to receive the letter in the mail. If your state requires you to get a CCW before you can openly or concealed carry, then you should find a licensed firearms instructor to take a concealed carry class with ASAP.
And guns aren't expensive depending upon what you want the gun to do for you. Think about what you're getting a gun for. If you want a gun that will sit at home doing nothing "in case of a home invasion", then just get a metal bat. Guns are for hunting or general deterrence. You should only get a gun if you are going to regularly carry it or use it for hunting/sport. Otherwise, you are wasting money.
I'm a NEET, and I was able to afford a few guns, ammo, licensing fees, and cleaning compounds for my guns. You should have enough common sense with your financial situation to do the same. If you have made poor choices financially, and you cannot afford a gun, then do not bother. Get your life in order before you try to get a gun.
>>43155
I am a martial artist and hand-to-hand self defense "expert" (like I have actually taught and trained people in self defense and martial arts) but I have avoided firearms due to them being outside of my comfort zone. The thing is me avoiding firearm training is blatantly nonsensical and hypocritical to my self defense philosophy. Literally the only reason I haven't is because it is totally new to me and it is a area that I am a complete newbe, which is a bit scary for someone who hasn't felt like a newbe related to the subject to self defense in decades.
I can no longer ignore the effectiveness and practicality of firearms.
That is the reason I want a firearm.
I am still concerned about having to be on a government registry though. It is not that I have a record or anything, just nervous about being on a list that the government can and probably will use against me if they ever feel like it for any dumb reason just because I want to exercise my rights.
Getting a CCW in this state seems pretty straight forward and inexpensive, it is getting the gun itself and all the cost, fees, and paperwork around that that I have no clue about.
I am a martial artist and hand-to-hand self defense "expert" (like I have actually taught and trained people in self defense and martial arts) but I have avoided firearms due to them being outside of my comfort zone. The thing is me avoiding firearm training is blatantly nonsensical and hypocritical to my self defense philosophy. Literally the only reason I haven't is because it is totally new to me and it is a area that I am a complete newbe, which is a bit scary for someone who hasn't felt like a newbe related to the subject to self defense in decades.
I can no longer ignore the effectiveness and practicality of firearms.
That is the reason I want a firearm.
I am still concerned about having to be on a government registry though. It is not that I have a record or anything, just nervous about being on a list that the government can and probably will use against me if they ever feel like it for any dumb reason just because I want to exercise my rights.
Getting a CCW in this state seems pretty straight forward and inexpensive, it is getting the gun itself and all the cost, fees, and paperwork around that that I have no clue about.
>>43153
like >>43154 said
in my progressive shithole there are no state laws (yet) against purchasing and you don't need a ccw license
>Is it hard to find places to practice?
every city has a gun range, staffed by paranoid rednecks and lurked by undercover pigs though…enter at your own risk
>Is practice ammo and maintenance too expensive for someone who makes lower middle class level income?
man, ammo has been too expensive in this worthless cuntry since like 1965, and thanks to muh war on turr the prices just keep skyrocketing
it's why the dumb "practice with a .22" meme started
I haven't even shot a gun in 16 years
like >>43154 said
in my progressive shithole there are no state laws (yet) against purchasing and you don't need a ccw license
>Is it hard to find places to practice?
every city has a gun range, staffed by paranoid rednecks and lurked by undercover pigs though…enter at your own risk
>Is practice ammo and maintenance too expensive for someone who makes lower middle class level income?
man, ammo has been too expensive in this worthless cuntry since like 1965, and thanks to muh war on turr the prices just keep skyrocketing
it's why the dumb "practice with a .22" meme started
I haven't even shot a gun in 16 years
>>43156
I don't like being on a registry, either, but it's important to think about what you will kill if you get a gun. If government employees decided to try and take my guns, I would offer my life by killing them. Self defense is part of owning a gun, but it's obviously not the only part. Serial killers and terrorists use guns for wildly different reasons. They think about who they will kill, and why. It's important to think about the same thing as your enemy.
I am not going to lie, you will probably find a terrible CCW instructor. My CCW instructor happened to be fantastic. You will probably find yourself with a guy that will show you the basics of firearms, (semi-auto vs. revolvers, firearms statutes of your state, etcetera,) and you will have the learn the rest yourself. However, at a CCW class, you will shoot a gun, which is good if you are just afraid of guns in general. You usually shoot a small .22 LR semiauto. Very little recoil.
For a gun for self defense, I recommend a .38 Special revolver or a .22 LR semiauto pistol. Take weight into serious consideration before buying a gun. Any gun that weighs more than 20 ounces unloaded should be considered carefully. I could explain the pros and cons of a revolver versus a semiauto. Actually, I will do it real quick since it's one difference. A semiauto can jam, and a revolver cannot. While a semiauto can shoot more frequently, it doesn't matter if you cannot place a shot. Practice is far more important than magazine size. And practice is more efficient with a reliable gun like a revolver.
Buying a gun is relatively easy. The person that transfers the firearm to you will basically walk you through all the i's you need to dot and the t's you need to cross. The paperwork is simple. Once the gun is in your hands, it is yours.
Anyway, I can give you some recommendations on guns if you want, but I will obviously be biased. I will also obviously recommend the guns that I carry, but I will explain why I carry them. There is a lot of information about guns out there, and it can get overwhelming. Learning about guns is a process, though, so even if I give you my recommendations, you should still use judgment to see what works for you and your lifestyle. You may prefer a semiauto to a revolver, that's not for me to answer.
I don't like being on a registry, either, but it's important to think about what you will kill if you get a gun. If government employees decided to try and take my guns, I would offer my life by killing them. Self defense is part of owning a gun, but it's obviously not the only part. Serial killers and terrorists use guns for wildly different reasons. They think about who they will kill, and why. It's important to think about the same thing as your enemy.
I am not going to lie, you will probably find a terrible CCW instructor. My CCW instructor happened to be fantastic. You will probably find yourself with a guy that will show you the basics of firearms, (semi-auto vs. revolvers, firearms statutes of your state, etcetera,) and you will have the learn the rest yourself. However, at a CCW class, you will shoot a gun, which is good if you are just afraid of guns in general. You usually shoot a small .22 LR semiauto. Very little recoil.
For a gun for self defense, I recommend a .38 Special revolver or a .22 LR semiauto pistol. Take weight into serious consideration before buying a gun. Any gun that weighs more than 20 ounces unloaded should be considered carefully. I could explain the pros and cons of a revolver versus a semiauto. Actually, I will do it real quick since it's one difference. A semiauto can jam, and a revolver cannot. While a semiauto can shoot more frequently, it doesn't matter if you cannot place a shot. Practice is far more important than magazine size. And practice is more efficient with a reliable gun like a revolver.
Buying a gun is relatively easy. The person that transfers the firearm to you will basically walk you through all the i's you need to dot and the t's you need to cross. The paperwork is simple. Once the gun is in your hands, it is yours.
Anyway, I can give you some recommendations on guns if you want, but I will obviously be biased. I will also obviously recommend the guns that I carry, but I will explain why I carry them. There is a lot of information about guns out there, and it can get overwhelming. Learning about guns is a process, though, so even if I give you my recommendations, you should still use judgment to see what works for you and your lifestyle. You may prefer a semiauto to a revolver, that's not for me to answer.
>>43158
14+ shots of a modern glock in 9mm or 6 shots in a .38, plus faster reloads and more carry options due to more accessories being made for the glock.
There is a reason police stopped carrying revolvers decades ago.
14+ shots of a modern glock in 9mm or 6 shots in a .38, plus faster reloads and more carry options due to more accessories being made for the glock.
There is a reason police stopped carrying revolvers decades ago.
>>43159
If you want to screw around with the stupid trigger safety on a glock, then do what you want. I carry my firearms everyday, and I am confident in my ability to defend myself with either my 5 or 6 shot revolvers. Furthermore, I highly doubt anyone will ever mess with me. Not being cocky, it is simply the reality of carrying openly. If you carry openly, then you know what I am talking about.
You can carry whatever you want. I've had enough semiautos jam on me to know that I will not place my life into their jammy hands.
If you want to screw around with the stupid trigger safety on a glock, then do what you want. I carry my firearms everyday, and I am confident in my ability to defend myself with either my 5 or 6 shot revolvers. Furthermore, I highly doubt anyone will ever mess with me. Not being cocky, it is simply the reality of carrying openly. If you carry openly, then you know what I am talking about.
You can carry whatever you want. I've had enough semiautos jam on me to know that I will not place my life into their jammy hands.
Meanwhile in the land of actual common sense and practicality a gun like the glock 19 is probably as close to perfect as you are going to get.
>>43175
Well it is too late now, the mods already locked a gun specific thread and directed them to this thread as the one and only weapons thread allowed on the site.
Well it is too late now, the mods already locked a gun specific thread and directed them to this thread as the one and only weapons thread allowed on the site.
>>43176
a-anyway…..
Who else likes hammers here? I got a cold steel warhammer and it's pretty vicious looking. Had to make a custom handle though and wedge it on cuz the factory one is useless. Their tomahawk are sweet, too.
y..yeah
a-anyway…..
Who else likes hammers here? I got a cold steel warhammer and it's pretty vicious looking. Had to make a custom handle though and wedge it on cuz the factory one is useless. Their tomahawk are sweet, too.
y..yeah
>>43158
Your first paragraph isn't really all that clear to me what exactly you mean or how any of the sentences link together so I am just going to ignore it. I have my reasons for wanting to own a firearm and I will leave it at that.
As far as instructors, once I actually have a gun there are a few people and organizations locally that have been highly recommenced to me. I am not afraid of guns, it is more that I am afraid of being rendered a fool since it is soooooooo far outside of my wheelhouse that I don't even know where to begin and every time I talk to a person IRL that seems to know what they are talking about they info dump so hard I can't keep up with any of it.
>For a gun for self defense, I recommend a .38 Special revolver or a .22 LR semiauto pistol.
I have been in contact and communication with various people who do carry firearms for work (police and security) and literally none of them carry or would recommend ether of those guns for personal every day carry or during work.
I also know that although revolvers can not jam they still can and do malfunction and fail to fire same as any other gun. I have also been told that revolvers are generally not good for tight fast groupings (whatever that means) and require massive grip strength to get additional shots on target so you essentially have to hope that your first shot hits well and downs the bad guy.
It might just be opinions though since I haven't fired anything to confirm for myself what is true or not.
From what I know about hunting, .22 is too small to reliable and ethically take down animals the size of humans and I personally wouldn't trust it to defend against a wild hog or dog so I certainly wouldn't trust it to defend against a human. Yes if one gets a head or heart shot withing relative close range it will kill most things and people just as dead as larger calibers but I simply am not as confident as you are that I would have perfect accuracy under stress in a actual combat situation even with training.
I don't rely on a single jab to the jaw in hand-to-hand so why would I rely on hoping for a best case scenario vital shot.
They also talked about stuff like site picture and other things I had no clue about so my mind sort of just glazed over but I got that their main point was that they all highly recommenced modern semiautomatic pistols for defensive carry as well as for work, though there was some debate over what caliber to carry with a few personally recommending .45, most recommending 9mm, and one guy saying he had the persona preference for .40.
>Buying a gun is relatively easy. The person that transfers the firearm to you will basically walk you through all the i's you need to dot and the t's you need to cross. The paperwork is simple. Once the gun is in your hands, it is yours.
That is really good to know. When I googled the laws and such it was overwhelming and had a lot of legal jargon that made if difficult to follow. I was concerned that I would more or less have to do a self study law course just to be able to properly legally buy a firearm.
>There is a lot of information about guns out there, and it can get overwhelming.
Understatement of the month. They should make affordable and widely available general firearms classes for beginners then more advanced ones for after that so that people have a clear idea of where to start and how to advance their knowledge and skills (yes sort of like martial arts or self defense classes). If such things are actually a thing I know of none in my area.
>>43184
I think it is far more satisfying to make your own war hammer or club, or to get a actually historically accurate one if you don't plan on bashing random crap in your backyard.
Cold Steel tends to be pretty hit or miss for me. I can't really recommend most of their stuff to most people, but certain niche items for very particular people are great for the price.
Your first paragraph isn't really all that clear to me what exactly you mean or how any of the sentences link together so I am just going to ignore it. I have my reasons for wanting to own a firearm and I will leave it at that.
As far as instructors, once I actually have a gun there are a few people and organizations locally that have been highly recommenced to me. I am not afraid of guns, it is more that I am afraid of being rendered a fool since it is soooooooo far outside of my wheelhouse that I don't even know where to begin and every time I talk to a person IRL that seems to know what they are talking about they info dump so hard I can't keep up with any of it.
>For a gun for self defense, I recommend a .38 Special revolver or a .22 LR semiauto pistol.
I have been in contact and communication with various people who do carry firearms for work (police and security) and literally none of them carry or would recommend ether of those guns for personal every day carry or during work.
I also know that although revolvers can not jam they still can and do malfunction and fail to fire same as any other gun. I have also been told that revolvers are generally not good for tight fast groupings (whatever that means) and require massive grip strength to get additional shots on target so you essentially have to hope that your first shot hits well and downs the bad guy.
It might just be opinions though since I haven't fired anything to confirm for myself what is true or not.
From what I know about hunting, .22 is too small to reliable and ethically take down animals the size of humans and I personally wouldn't trust it to defend against a wild hog or dog so I certainly wouldn't trust it to defend against a human. Yes if one gets a head or heart shot withing relative close range it will kill most things and people just as dead as larger calibers but I simply am not as confident as you are that I would have perfect accuracy under stress in a actual combat situation even with training.
I don't rely on a single jab to the jaw in hand-to-hand so why would I rely on hoping for a best case scenario vital shot.
They also talked about stuff like site picture and other things I had no clue about so my mind sort of just glazed over but I got that their main point was that they all highly recommenced modern semiautomatic pistols for defensive carry as well as for work, though there was some debate over what caliber to carry with a few personally recommending .45, most recommending 9mm, and one guy saying he had the persona preference for .40.
>Buying a gun is relatively easy. The person that transfers the firearm to you will basically walk you through all the i's you need to dot and the t's you need to cross. The paperwork is simple. Once the gun is in your hands, it is yours.
That is really good to know. When I googled the laws and such it was overwhelming and had a lot of legal jargon that made if difficult to follow. I was concerned that I would more or less have to do a self study law course just to be able to properly legally buy a firearm.
>There is a lot of information about guns out there, and it can get overwhelming.
Understatement of the month. They should make affordable and widely available general firearms classes for beginners then more advanced ones for after that so that people have a clear idea of where to start and how to advance their knowledge and skills (yes sort of like martial arts or self defense classes). If such things are actually a thing I know of none in my area.
>>43184
I think it is far more satisfying to make your own war hammer or club, or to get a actually historically accurate one if you don't plan on bashing random crap in your backyard.
Cold Steel tends to be pretty hit or miss for me. I can't really recommend most of their stuff to most people, but certain niche items for very particular people are great for the price.
>>43185
>revolvers can not jam
cylinder jams happen, if rarely
>they still can and do malfunction and fail to fire same as any other gun
rarely
>revolvers are generally not good for tight fast groupings (whatever that means)
The "fast" part means that multiple discharges with a double-action only trigger take (infinitesimally) longer than with the short single-action trigger of a pistol. Which of course is assuming the comparison is against a single-action pistol, and not double-action only which very many are. The tight part is nonsense because rapid firing any gun is actually detrimental to bullet group size, at any distance, although generally a revolver's group WILL be not as large due to its fixed barrel.
>and require massive grip strength to get additional shots on target
no clue what to make of this comment
unless it's in reference to an H&K P7 with a bad spring
sounds like whoever told you these things got his knowledge of guns from a video game
>I think it is far more satisfying to make your own warhammer or club
yeah well, most people aren't neets who can just grind away all year at learning blacksmithing
>revolvers can not jam
cylinder jams happen, if rarely
>they still can and do malfunction and fail to fire same as any other gun
rarely
>revolvers are generally not good for tight fast groupings (whatever that means)
The "fast" part means that multiple discharges with a double-action only trigger take (infinitesimally) longer than with the short single-action trigger of a pistol. Which of course is assuming the comparison is against a single-action pistol, and not double-action only which very many are. The tight part is nonsense because rapid firing any gun is actually detrimental to bullet group size, at any distance, although generally a revolver's group WILL be not as large due to its fixed barrel.
>and require massive grip strength to get additional shots on target
no clue what to make of this comment
unless it's in reference to an H&K P7 with a bad spring
sounds like whoever told you these things got his knowledge of guns from a video game
>I think it is far more satisfying to make your own warhammer or club
yeah well, most people aren't neets who can just grind away all year at learning blacksmithing
>>43210
>sounds like whoever told you these things got his knowledge of guns from a video game
Actually a retired vet and police Sargent who occasionally takes armed security jobs for extra "fun money" is the main gun guy I have been talking to recently but yeah, what did you say your expertise, training, or profession was exactly?
You keep asserting stuff but now you are flat out insulting people I actually respect. Why the fuck should anyone think you know a god damn thing about anything?
>sounds like whoever told you these things got his knowledge of guns from a video game
Actually a retired vet and police Sargent who occasionally takes armed security jobs for extra "fun money" is the main gun guy I have been talking to recently but yeah, what did you say your expertise, training, or profession was exactly?
You keep asserting stuff but now you are flat out insulting people I actually respect. Why the fuck should anyone think you know a god damn thing about anything?
>>43211
oh my god not the argument from authority fallacy, lollllllll
I don't know where you are, but pigs are world fucking famous for their ignorance of guns when it gets any deeper than "point at unarmed man and go bang bang"
on second thought, I take it back….
you'd actually learn more from a video game
oh my god not the argument from authority fallacy, lollllllll
I don't know where you are, but pigs are world fucking famous for their ignorance of guns when it gets any deeper than "point at unarmed man and go bang bang"
on second thought, I take it back….
you'd actually learn more from a video game
>>43212
So you are just a troll and a asshole.
Why don't you fuck off back to whatever shitty site you came from.
So you are just a troll and a asshole.
Why don't you fuck off back to whatever shitty site you came from.
>>43212
Anyone with sense would take the advice of someone with actual experience and who has actually had to use his gun in a combat situation over some larping cowboy wantabe with a chip on his shoulder.
Anyone with sense would take the advice of someone with actual experience and who has actually had to use his gun in a combat situation over some larping cowboy wantabe with a chip on his shoulder.
>actual experience
We're talking about mechanical points of difference in guns. Shooting experience (which I have btw) isn't required to know what those are.
I mean, isn't this shit obvious.
Do you need to get a math degree before you're allowed to correct people that 2+2 is not 3?
We're talking about mechanical points of difference in guns. Shooting experience (which I have btw) isn't required to know what those are.
I mean, isn't this shit obvious.
Do you need to get a math degree before you're allowed to correct people that 2+2 is not 3?
>>43215
Majority of the things you mentioned are literally opinion and personal preference that isn't backed up by anything you provided.
Majority of the things you mentioned are literally opinion and personal preference that isn't backed up by anything you provided.
https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2017/7/13/disadvantages-of-a-concealed-carry-revolver/
Even the NRA thinks the disadvantages are pretty huge for revolvers.
Just admit you are pushing impractical gun choices because of personal reasons and quit being a dick to literally everyone that disagrees with you.
Even the NRA thinks the disadvantages are pretty huge for revolvers.
Just admit you are pushing impractical gun choices because of personal reasons and quit being a dick to literally everyone that disagrees with you.
>>43216
>opinions
Unlike "revolvers can not jam"?
>>43217
>even the nra
Just more argument from authority.
The nra is an industry propaganda organ, not a priesthood.
>thinks the disadvantages are huge for revolvers
Implying my post was advocating any sort of gun over another. You read too much into things son. But let's see what "the nra" says anyway…
>by Sheriff Jim Wilson
Yep. I remember that dildo. Gun writer hack from way back, and still peddling the same old gun magazine garbage as ever, like: "In addition, the mainspring may break (this is especially true in guns with a flat mainspring) ."
I won't even debunk this garbage. If you don't already know how extremely stupid that statement is, you're not smart enough for this thread.
>opinions
Unlike "revolvers can not jam"?
>>43217
>even the nra
Just more argument from authority.
The nra is an industry propaganda organ, not a priesthood.
>thinks the disadvantages are huge for revolvers
Implying my post was advocating any sort of gun over another. You read too much into things son. But let's see what "the nra" says anyway…
>by Sheriff Jim Wilson
Yep. I remember that dildo. Gun writer hack from way back, and still peddling the same old gun magazine garbage as ever, like: "In addition, the mainspring may break (this is especially true in guns with a flat mainspring) ."
I won't even debunk this garbage. If you don't already know how extremely stupid that statement is, you're not smart enough for this thread.
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>>43220
I'm not even this guy. I didn't bother responding to >>43185 because, like this guy said, he's using an argument from authority. I explained succinctly my stance, and he rejected it in favor of saying that he wouldn't trust a .22 LR to take down a dog–most likely a comment he got from whatever 'authority' he consulted. A .22 LR will take down a target if you aim and shoot at it. A bullet is not a rubber ball.
Regardless:
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>>43185
I am convinced none of you live in America, and you are all just trying to stir up shit. I have no idea what your problems are. You all sound very insecure, and it is a well known fact that guns help with feelings of insecurity. If you are afraid of guns, then seek out a therapist and stay out of a thread meant for the discussion of weapons.
>>43212
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>>43220
I'm not even this guy. I didn't bother responding to >>43185 because, like this guy said, he's using an argument from authority. I explained succinctly my stance, and he rejected it in favor of saying that he wouldn't trust a .22 LR to take down a dog–most likely a comment he got from whatever 'authority' he consulted. A .22 LR will take down a target if you aim and shoot at it. A bullet is not a rubber ball.
Regardless:
>>43222
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>>43185
I am convinced none of you live in America, and you are all just trying to stir up shit. I have no idea what your problems are. You all sound very insecure, and it is a well known fact that guns help with feelings of insecurity. If you are afraid of guns, then seek out a therapist and stay out of a thread meant for the discussion of weapons.
>"In addition, the mainspring may break (this is especially true in guns with a flat mainspring) ."
I'm still laughing at this. You know how rarely a mainspring breaks in any gun? Google it. It's gotta be one in 100 million or something. It's on the level of "the barrel may decide to break off" or "the hammer may grow wings and fly away." Statistically impossible. And yet this is a "disadvantage" of revolvers? Whatever you say, pig.
Ignorant shit like that is why I stopped reading gun writers almost 20 years ago. Nothing's changed.
I'm still laughing at this. You know how rarely a mainspring breaks in any gun? Google it. It's gotta be one in 100 million or something. It's on the level of "the barrel may decide to break off" or "the hammer may grow wings and fly away." Statistically impossible. And yet this is a "disadvantage" of revolvers? Whatever you say, pig.
Ignorant shit like that is why I stopped reading gun writers almost 20 years ago. Nothing's changed.
>>43233
If revolvers are so incredible why literally no police nor military force uses them? Please explain.
If revolvers are so incredible why literally no police nor military force uses them? Please explain.
>>43243
What like gunsmiths?
Yeah they are pretty damn rare. It is not really something you can pick up on a whim as a normal hobby.
What like gunsmiths?
Yeah they are pretty damn rare. It is not really something you can pick up on a whim as a normal hobby.
don't gotta be a gunsmith to know how guns work, and don't work
they're just machines, they function according to absolutely certain mechanical principles same as anything else
it's not magic
they're just machines, they function according to absolutely certain mechanical principles same as anything else
it's not magic
>>43271
>>43263
All you have done in this thread is make unsupported assertions based on your personal opinion and be extremely antagonistic to anyone and everyone in this thread that disagrees or holds a opinion you don't like.
In other words you have been acting like a jackass the whole time and that kind of behavior doesn't fly on this site.
>>43263
All you have done in this thread is make unsupported assertions based on your personal opinion and be extremely antagonistic to anyone and everyone in this thread that disagrees or holds a opinion you don't like.
In other words you have been acting like a jackass the whole time and that kind of behavior doesn't fly on this site.
>>43284
>unsupported assertions
>opinions
Not you again.
It's pretty remarkable how you'll believe any gun-related hearsay from your pig friend, but when someone points out the fact that revolvers actually can and do jam….all of a sudden you become Mr. Science and expect a fucking footnoted essay proving it. Well you're not getting one. You're just dumb. There's nothing more to it.
>unsupported assertions
>opinions
Not you again.
It's pretty remarkable how you'll believe any gun-related hearsay from your pig friend, but when someone points out the fact that revolvers actually can and do jam….all of a sudden you become Mr. Science and expect a fucking footnoted essay proving it. Well you're not getting one. You're just dumb. There's nothing more to it.
>>43286
Do you have a mental problem that makes it so you can't communicate online without being a jackass?
Or is being a dick online your only emotional outlet for your sad life?
Whatever the case may be you need to take your problems and shitty attitude and leave back to whatever shithole you came from.
Do you have a mental problem that makes it so you can't communicate online without being a jackass?
Or is being a dick online your only emotional outlet for your sad life?
Whatever the case may be you need to take your problems and shitty attitude and leave back to whatever shithole you came from.
>>43293
What in any way does that have to do with what you have said and done throughout this thread?
You were the one being a jackass. And no, "they did it too" doesn't make your behavor acceptable here.
Even 4chad's /k/ would not put up with your bullshit.
What in any way does that have to do with what you have said and done throughout this thread?
You were the one being a jackass. And no, "they did it too" doesn't make your behavor acceptable here.
Even 4chad's /k/ would not put up with your bullshit.
>You were the one being a jackass
>>43211
>Why the fuck should anyone think you know a god damn thing about anything?
don't dish it out if you can't take it boya
>>43211
>Why the fuck should anyone think you know a god damn thing about anything?
don't dish it out if you can't take it boya
>>43299
Is that really all you have to say for yourself?
>b-but they were mean back to me when I was a asshole so that justifies me being even more of a asshole
You are a sad troll and still a jackass.
Is that really all you have to say for yourself?
>b-but they were mean back to me when I was a asshole so that justifies me being even more of a asshole
You are a sad troll and still a jackass.
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Anyway……
I wonder how hard it would be to make articulated gauntlets. I know armourers did all the shaping on dozens of different speciality anvils. Maybe a poor modern DIYer could use things like trailer hitches and broken engines for the shaping.
I wonder how hard it would be to make articulated gauntlets. I know armourers did all the shaping on dozens of different speciality anvils. Maybe a poor modern DIYer could use things like trailer hitches and broken engines for the shaping.
>>43304
I can imagine them being very easy to design with the technology at hand these days. Model your components in 3D and set the armature to pivot on the rivets, and you'll be able to see how each piece can move before coliding with its neighbour and make adjustments in seconds.
The actual smithing can be done cold, and you're right about using any hardened steel surface as an anvil. Personally I'd start with a soft metal such as brass to get the hang of any makeshift workstations. Plus brass is a nice colour for armour.
I can imagine them being very easy to design with the technology at hand these days. Model your components in 3D and set the armature to pivot on the rivets, and you'll be able to see how each piece can move before coliding with its neighbour and make adjustments in seconds.
The actual smithing can be done cold, and you're right about using any hardened steel surface as an anvil. Personally I'd start with a soft metal such as brass to get the hang of any makeshift workstations. Plus brass is a nice colour for armour.
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Recently bought a small 9mm handgun for personal protection. I was hesitant at first but suprisingly it reassures me quite a bit. Ive moved recently and plan to relocate more soon and my job involves some driving at odd hours to backwoods locations. The state in which I live allows open carry on person and vehicle, but I just keep it along side me while driving and at home. Thinking about a cc permit soon, nice to know its with me, seriously.
>>43326
Pic related, its a Sccy cpx-1. Its a 9mm and holds 10 in the mag and 1 in the chamber, double action trigger. Perfect for concealed carry too. I really like it, and its good for wizzies on a budget because it only cost me $219 brand new. It is constructed very well, does not feel like a toy. The magazine is tough to load at first because the spring is strong but gets much easier after a few reloads. Other than that its a great gun and very few complaints about reliability or accuracy online. Im so happy I have it now, I dont feel like a badass but actually just comforted going about my day and when going to sleep. Id recommend it for wizards because of how anxious we are sometimes.
Pic related, its a Sccy cpx-1. Its a 9mm and holds 10 in the mag and 1 in the chamber, double action trigger. Perfect for concealed carry too. I really like it, and its good for wizzies on a budget because it only cost me $219 brand new. It is constructed very well, does not feel like a toy. The magazine is tough to load at first because the spring is strong but gets much easier after a few reloads. Other than that its a great gun and very few complaints about reliability or accuracy online. Im so happy I have it now, I dont feel like a badass but actually just comforted going about my day and when going to sleep. Id recommend it for wizards because of how anxious we are sometimes.
>>43318
Brass would be a really bad idea for a number of reason.
Practicing on thin, cheap steel (like the thickness of a coffee can).
Also brass in the form of cold forged articulated gauntlets won't stay that color for long. You massively underestimate how much it would take to maintain the appearance. You would be better off using a chemical stain(like a blueing compound) on the steel or even paint to get the color you want.
Brass would be a really bad idea for a number of reason.
Practicing on thin, cheap steel (like the thickness of a coffee can).
Also brass in the form of cold forged articulated gauntlets won't stay that color for long. You massively underestimate how much it would take to maintain the appearance. You would be better off using a chemical stain(like a blueing compound) on the steel or even paint to get the color you want.
not making gauntlets but I actually cold hammered some thick brass plate today for a guard and it cracked after about a 30 degree bend
>>43379
Yeah, there is a reason why brass is normally cast rather then hammered.
Different metals have different qualities and must be worked differently.
Yeah, there is a reason why brass is normally cast rather then hammered.
Different metals have different qualities and must be worked differently.
>>43380
yeah well I could have annealed it but I wanted to test how tough it normally is, and the result was crap
if you're making armor from brass you're talking about relatively massive pieces of metal that need to be repeatedly annealed during shaping, and that means keeping a large fire going, basically a forge
and if you're taking things to that level you might as well make steel armor instead of brass, imho
yeah well I could have annealed it but I wanted to test how tough it normally is, and the result was crap
if you're making armor from brass you're talking about relatively massive pieces of metal that need to be repeatedly annealed during shaping, and that means keeping a large fire going, basically a forge
and if you're taking things to that level you might as well make steel armor instead of brass, imho
>>43384
You are now starting to understand why brass armor wasn't really a common thing, and why even today armor smiths don't make it.
You are now starting to understand why brass armor wasn't really a common thing, and why even today armor smiths don't make it.
>>43386
I'm not "starting" to understand anything. I've understood for many years about brass's inferior mechanical strength to that of steel and other traditional armor metals.
No, I wouldn't rely on a brass gauntlet or helm, but it would make an attractive, and strong, complement in the way of hinges and buckles and certain other accents. Small, thick things. Because its weakness only come out in shapes that admit a great degree of bending/compression under normal forces, like the sheet I hammered.
I'm not "starting" to understand anything. I've understood for many years about brass's inferior mechanical strength to that of steel and other traditional armor metals.
No, I wouldn't rely on a brass gauntlet or helm, but it would make an attractive, and strong, complement in the way of hinges and buckles and certain other accents. Small, thick things. Because its weakness only come out in shapes that admit a great degree of bending/compression under normal forces, like the sheet I hammered.
>>43390
>I'm not "starting" to understand anything.
If you truly understood then why the hell did you waste your time with something you knew wouldn't work?
Having information about something and actually understanding are two different things.
>I'm not "starting" to understand anything.
If you truly understood then why the hell did you waste your time with something you knew wouldn't work?
Having information about something and actually understanding are two different things.
What the fuck is it with this thread that no matter the topic it always devolves into toxisity and name calling?
The outsiders and trolls need to go and stay gone.
The outsiders and trolls need to go and stay gone.
>>43395
>If you truly understood then why the hell did you waste your time with something you knew wouldn't work?
>not getting science
Go back to the fap thread.
>Having information about something and actually understanding are two different things.
Said the wizkid.
>>43403
>condescend to anon
>get nasty when he rebuts you
>squeal to mod-kun when he gets nasty in kind
>act like you dindu nuffins
You're the ones ruining my thread.
>If you truly understood then why the hell did you waste your time with something you knew wouldn't work?
>not getting science
Go back to the fap thread.
>Having information about something and actually understanding are two different things.
Said the wizkid.
>>43403
>condescend to anon
>get nasty when he rebuts you
>squeal to mod-kun when he gets nasty in kind
>act like you dindu nuffins
You're the ones ruining my thread.
How difficult would it be to convert blank firing pistols to fire normal rounds?
I have sig,glock, and handful of others(That were used in films)
The common pattern is that all of them have barrels filled with lead, but the firing mechanism on them works fine, the blanks(9mm para ) chamber properly and the gases seem to escape through ejection port, this brings the question whether simply driling the lead out of the barrel would suffice, or if perhaps some other parts would require replacement and or refurbishment too.
I would like to do this for science, I'm not a terrorist.
I have sig,glock, and handful of others(That were used in films)
The common pattern is that all of them have barrels filled with lead, but the firing mechanism on them works fine, the blanks(9mm para ) chamber properly and the gases seem to escape through ejection port, this brings the question whether simply driling the lead out of the barrel would suffice, or if perhaps some other parts would require replacement and or refurbishment too.
I would like to do this for science, I'm not a terrorist.
>>43602
Why would you think anyone would assume you were a terrorist?
It would be about the same level of effort as making a gun from scratch. you would have to replace most of the parts and renforce just about everything else. From what I have read about blank guns and their construction, there would be a risk of the thing exploding under the pressures of live ammo since they aren't build to handle it. And that is assuming you went through the trouble of replacing the barrel, converted the feed system, and a bunch of other stuff. I mean the bullets don't even fit right without a fuck ton of modification.
https://youtu.be/fqFc6C4s-DI?t=4m9s
Why would you think anyone would assume you were a terrorist?
It would be about the same level of effort as making a gun from scratch. you would have to replace most of the parts and renforce just about everything else. From what I have read about blank guns and their construction, there would be a risk of the thing exploding under the pressures of live ammo since they aren't build to handle it. And that is assuming you went through the trouble of replacing the barrel, converted the feed system, and a bunch of other stuff. I mean the bullets don't even fit right without a fuck ton of modification.
https://youtu.be/fqFc6C4s-DI?t=4m9s
To hot headed wizzies who has a historyh of low self control please dont ever own weapons. Youd likely use it on your family or strangers who ticked you off.
Unless you want that of course. I see myself doing all of that if i had a gun.
Unless you want that of course. I see myself doing all of that if i had a gun.
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>>43602
not particularly hard, but there are certain types that are chosen becasue of their ease, IIRC the 9mm front firing ones can be converted to shoot .380 (9mm short) but its questionable at best, also in america doing that will make you go to prison. in most countries they can be ordered without any license check, but physically, a little while with a drill is all it takes based on reading about it from sources like police websites
not particularly hard, but there are certain types that are chosen becasue of their ease, IIRC the 9mm front firing ones can be converted to shoot .380 (9mm short) but its questionable at best, also in america doing that will make you go to prison. in most countries they can be ordered without any license check, but physically, a little while with a drill is all it takes based on reading about it from sources like police websites
>>43602
If it's lead in the barrel, just melt it out. Barrels get hotter than lead's melting point from regular firing.
If it's lead in the barrel, just melt it out. Barrels get hotter than lead's melting point from regular firing.
>>43913
that may or may not work for actually firing though, with front firing, the gas vents out the barrel, but with top firing there are holes for the gas to leave he op of the gun IIRC
that may or may not work for actually firing though, with front firing, the gas vents out the barrel, but with top firing there are holes for the gas to leave he op of the gun IIRC
you'd be safer just buying one of those really cheap italian flintlocks if you want a gun that bad
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didn't have enough charcoal to make a flail so I copper brazed a little warhammer together
was really worried about the spike breaking off because copper anneals when it's quenched, but I smashed a bunch of stuff out back today and it seems good, the joint clearance was certainly under .005" and the copper seems to have flowed completely through
I tempered it three times at 450 degrees so maybe that helped reharden the copper, dunno
was really worried about the spike breaking off because copper anneals when it's quenched, but I smashed a bunch of stuff out back today and it seems good, the joint clearance was certainly under .005" and the copper seems to have flowed completely through
I tempered it three times at 450 degrees so maybe that helped reharden the copper, dunno
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once I get my rights restored I'll be buying a CZ 75
>>43993
It hasn't been "babbys first anime" since the 90s.
What was once for normies and casuals is back in the realm of the otaku again.
Saging since this isn't a anime thread, and my post isn't actually about weapons.
It hasn't been "babbys first anime" since the 90s.
What was once for normies and casuals is back in the realm of the otaku again.
Saging since this isn't a anime thread, and my post isn't actually about weapons.
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>>43328
Nice, looks good. Honestly, owning any kinds of weapons in my country is very uncommon because it's very safe and regulations are strict (EU), but I wouldn't mind owning a nice reliable handgun. You never know when you might need it. I honestly don't know nothing about guns, but every once in a while I'll run into a really aesthetic looking one. If it's got quality, even better.
Nice, looks good. Honestly, owning any kinds of weapons in my country is very uncommon because it's very safe and regulations are strict (EU), but I wouldn't mind owning a nice reliable handgun. You never know when you might need it. I honestly don't know nothing about guns, but every once in a while I'll run into a really aesthetic looking one. If it's got quality, even better.
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I recently bought a beat up tapco'd Chinese SKS as my first rifle, I'm going to restore it to it's original configuration.
>>44255
I was really down to buy a Russian model from Cabela's, but when I went for my Pistol/restricted license I talked to two guys who owned one each. They both had the same problem of the semi-auto mechanism failing, turning the thing full-auto. One of them said even if the trigger wasn't depressed it would still empty the the magazine so he just submitted it for destruction (used models are cheaper than dirt here).
Just an anecdote, you probably won't have such issues, but do inspect the action before going to a crowded range.
Do you plan on keeping the Tapco stock after the conversion? You could probably trade it for a fine original wood stock and a crate of ammo.
I was really down to buy a Russian model from Cabela's, but when I went for my Pistol/restricted license I talked to two guys who owned one each. They both had the same problem of the semi-auto mechanism failing, turning the thing full-auto. One of them said even if the trigger wasn't depressed it would still empty the the magazine so he just submitted it for destruction (used models are cheaper than dirt here).
Just an anecdote, you probably won't have such issues, but do inspect the action before going to a crowded range.
Do you plan on keeping the Tapco stock after the conversion? You could probably trade it for a fine original wood stock and a crate of ammo.
>>44259
>so he just submitted it for destruction
pathetic slave cuck fucking himself over for when the gestapo come for him and his family.
>so he just submitted it for destruction
pathetic slave cuck fucking himself over for when the gestapo come for him and his family.
>>44261
It's true, there's no risk in owning a prohibited firearm unless you boast about on Cattlebook. Especially if it is just a broken POS.
Funny, our rifle mags are restricted to 5 rounds, but many manufacturers don't make dinky mags so they just plug the standard models. Of course you can just take the plug out in most cases, and ofcourse people do. The same goes for automatic action. All semi-auto guns are full auto at birth, and then have parts added to slow it down. Like a governor on an engine. Just as these parts can fail, they can also be removed. It's stupid to think that lightning links and bump stocks exist when just dropping a gun the wrong way can make it full-auto.
It's true, there's no risk in owning a prohibited firearm unless you boast about on Cattlebook. Especially if it is just a broken POS.
Funny, our rifle mags are restricted to 5 rounds, but many manufacturers don't make dinky mags so they just plug the standard models. Of course you can just take the plug out in most cases, and ofcourse people do. The same goes for automatic action. All semi-auto guns are full auto at birth, and then have parts added to slow it down. Like a governor on an engine. Just as these parts can fail, they can also be removed. It's stupid to think that lightning links and bump stocks exist when just dropping a gun the wrong way can make it full-auto.
>>44259
I plan on selling the Tapco stock, it's obviously used so I'll try to get a trade for an original stock or $70 or so. I think those guys were talking about slamfire, something that can happen if you don't clean the rifle due to it's free floating firing pin.
I plan on selling the Tapco stock, it's obviously used so I'll try to get a trade for an original stock or $70 or so. I think those guys were talking about slamfire, something that can happen if you don't clean the rifle due to it's free floating firing pin.
>>44264
>All semi-auto guns are full auto at birth, and then have parts added to slow it down
>just dropping a gun the wrong way can make it full-auto
That's the most fudd thing I've ever heard on this website.
>All semi-auto guns are full auto at birth, and then have parts added to slow it down
>just dropping a gun the wrong way can make it full-auto
That's the most fudd thing I've ever heard on this website.
>All semi-auto guns are full auto at birth, and then have parts added to slow it down
>just dropping a gun the wrong way can make it full-auto
I actually lol'd, oh my fucking god, in 20 years in the gun scene I haven't heard anything that ignorant
delete your post man
>just dropping a gun the wrong way can make it full-auto
I actually lol'd, oh my fucking god, in 20 years in the gun scene I haven't heard anything that ignorant
delete your post man
>>44266
What I mean is, when you build say a blowback rifle, and you lay out the basic parts required to fire a round out of the barrel then cycle a new one - components which prevent the new round from firing aren't necessary for any of that to happen. Consider books detailing the construction of submachine guns from hardware store components; the gun is always full-auto, not because the designer wished it to be, but because there is less machine work and material involed. Any semi-auto upgrade would be an addition. Of course not all guns can be smacked against a wall then suddenly fire non-stop, but the only things you need for full-auto fire is a barrel, a bolt x firing pin, a magazine, a sear and a trigger to push it down, then a box and some springs and rods to hold it together. Most if not all semi-auto rifles have those things, and if they're returned to having JUST those things in the correct manner, you'll have and old timey machine gun.
What I mean is, when you build say a blowback rifle, and you lay out the basic parts required to fire a round out of the barrel then cycle a new one - components which prevent the new round from firing aren't necessary for any of that to happen. Consider books detailing the construction of submachine guns from hardware store components; the gun is always full-auto, not because the designer wished it to be, but because there is less machine work and material involed. Any semi-auto upgrade would be an addition. Of course not all guns can be smacked against a wall then suddenly fire non-stop, but the only things you need for full-auto fire is a barrel, a bolt x firing pin, a magazine, a sear and a trigger to push it down, then a box and some springs and rods to hold it together. Most if not all semi-auto rifles have those things, and if they're returned to having JUST those things in the correct manner, you'll have and old timey machine gun.
>>44268
You have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe that's true in some third-world shithole where they still make guns using designs from 100 years ago. Besides, the lockwork on any guns you could possibly convert to full auto was changed decades ago on purpose for the very reason that people were illegally converting them. But all of a sudden what a gunsmith can't do, a fall to the ground is supposed to achieve? Laughable to say the least.
You think you know so much, you should go to work for the gun makers to show them all these liability lawsuit-begging design flaws their professional engineers missed.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe that's true in some third-world shithole where they still make guns using designs from 100 years ago. Besides, the lockwork on any guns you could possibly convert to full auto was changed decades ago on purpose for the very reason that people were illegally converting them. But all of a sudden what a gunsmith can't do, a fall to the ground is supposed to achieve? Laughable to say the least.
You think you know so much, you should go to work for the gun makers to show them all these liability lawsuit-begging design flaws their professional engineers missed.
I just received my restricted possession and acquisition licence in the mail.
I'm thinking a GSG 1911 .22LR would be the best gun to start off with because the cartridges are only 10 cents each and there's less recoil.
I'm thinking a GSG 1911 .22LR would be the best gun to start off with because the cartridges are only 10 cents each and there's less recoil.
>>42370
I have just a knife. A mora companion. The value you get for the money is simply amazing. Very practical knife.
I have just a knife. A mora companion. The value you get for the money is simply amazing. Very practical knife.
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>>44838
>stikk betur than rock!
does anybody actually carry anything bigger than a pistol when you go out? I mean like wandering around with a katana or pic related?
>stikk betur than rock!
does anybody actually carry anything bigger than a pistol when you go out? I mean like wandering around with a katana or pic related?
>>44840
I own a lot of large stuff I've tried carrying concealed in various positions, it has never worked. Even if I were to open-carry, lugging around something long or heavier than like 12oz grows terribly uncomfortable, whether it's guns or blades.
I own a lot of large stuff I've tried carrying concealed in various positions, it has never worked. Even if I were to open-carry, lugging around something long or heavier than like 12oz grows terribly uncomfortable, whether it's guns or blades.
>>44912
More like one of those suburban commando backpacks. I bet whatever site he found that pic is full of similar foolishness. Showing off pics of your (semi-auto) uzi or whatever, teasingly nestled in a backpack, with retention straps no less, to suggest that the owner actually carries a smg in public and impress the other forumites has been a thing since way back. It's the gun owner version of a selfie.
Pretty cringy honestly.
More like one of those suburban commando backpacks. I bet whatever site he found that pic is full of similar foolishness. Showing off pics of your (semi-auto) uzi or whatever, teasingly nestled in a backpack, with retention straps no less, to suggest that the owner actually carries a smg in public and impress the other forumites has been a thing since way back. It's the gun owner version of a selfie.
Pretty cringy honestly.
>>44914
Using cringe as a form of showing disapproval of what you don't like is pretty cringe tbh.
Using cringe as a form of showing disapproval of what you don't like is pretty cringe tbh.
I've owned several guns but I never liked them. It's like paying someone a dollar to punch you in the arm. Then you have to clean everything up afterwards and you stink ew smelly like WD40 and gunpowder.
Very overrated "hobby" for macho douchebags and gay furries.
Very overrated "hobby" for macho douchebags and gay furries.
>>44917
>for mere disapproval
I'm sure that's how your memekid clique uses "cringe," but seeing those pics actually makes my face scrunch in pain and embarrassment
>for mere disapproval
I'm sure that's how your memekid clique uses "cringe," but seeing those pics actually makes my face scrunch in pain and embarrassment
>>44923
calibers are all lethal when used correctly, the jewish special forces assassins used a .22 caliber pistol with a silencer, because it was so quiet, the same gun was also given to Israeli air martials because it was easy to shoot a terrorist in a high risk area (a plane full of people)
calibers are all lethal when used correctly, the jewish special forces assassins used a .22 caliber pistol with a silencer, because it was so quiet, the same gun was also given to Israeli air martials because it was easy to shoot a terrorist in a high risk area (a plane full of people)
>>44923
>>44924
It's true. The FBI did an impressively extensive scientific study of this stuff in the 80s to select their new service cartridge, something that nobody did before. The bottom line is "stopping power" comes down to like 95% shot-placement and penetration. After I had read it all it really killed the mystique of guns.
>>44924
It's true. The FBI did an impressively extensive scientific study of this stuff in the 80s to select their new service cartridge, something that nobody did before. The bottom line is "stopping power" comes down to like 95% shot-placement and penetration. After I had read it all it really killed the mystique of guns.
I really want a gun (or several) but I need to get a car first so that I can actually go to the range on a regular basis.
I thought about getting a air gun or cross bow to hold me over until then, since I can plink with in in the back yard, but I can't justify spending the same money that I could get a real gun with to get something of usable quality.
When I do get a car I am going to get a couple of 22s and one or two 9mm
Cheap ammo with a huge selection of options to both training and carry.
I don't see me needing much more then that for the next few years since I don't hunt and don't need something that can punch through body armor. Anything else would just be range toys for me. Unless I decided to try and take up skeet shooting or something.
Or for some reason got it into my head that I need a apocalypse gun.
I thought about getting a air gun or cross bow to hold me over until then, since I can plink with in in the back yard, but I can't justify spending the same money that I could get a real gun with to get something of usable quality.
When I do get a car I am going to get a couple of 22s and one or two 9mm
Cheap ammo with a huge selection of options to both training and carry.
I don't see me needing much more then that for the next few years since I don't hunt and don't need something that can punch through body armor. Anything else would just be range toys for me. Unless I decided to try and take up skeet shooting or something.
Or for some reason got it into my head that I need a apocalypse gun.
>>44993
I would highly recommend a multi pump BB/pellet rifle that has a scope for practice. It's a lot of fun and is good for learning how to line up a scope. You'll get a ton of mileage out of a daisy multi pump rifle, just make sure you get one that has between 700-800 fps at least. Be careful though because the pellets (and even BBs if over pumped) can cause serious damage to property, animals and especially people.
I would highly recommend a multi pump BB/pellet rifle that has a scope for practice. It's a lot of fun and is good for learning how to line up a scope. You'll get a ton of mileage out of a daisy multi pump rifle, just make sure you get one that has between 700-800 fps at least. Be careful though because the pellets (and even BBs if over pumped) can cause serious damage to property, animals and especially people.
>>45005
If you can get one for 30 bucks locally go for it, just make sure it has a scope.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-DAISY-POWERLINE-901-BB-PELLET-GUN-177-Caliber-Air-Rifle-duck-commander/123312769225?hash=item1cb60388c9:g:pyQAAOSwWzBbRpzQ
If you can get one for 30 bucks locally go for it, just make sure it has a scope.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-DAISY-POWERLINE-901-BB-PELLET-GUN-177-Caliber-Air-Rifle-duck-commander/123312769225?hash=item1cb60388c9:g:pyQAAOSwWzBbRpzQ
>>45006
I am mainly interested in handguns so I am not sure how learning to use a scope would apply to me.
Also, you whouldn't happen to know the legality of transporting a gun and ammo by bicycle would you?
I am mainly interested in handguns so I am not sure how learning to use a scope would apply to me.
Also, you whouldn't happen to know the legality of transporting a gun and ammo by bicycle would you?
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>>45007
Depends, hopefully you at the very least have your FOID card and better yet your concealed carry permit. Keep the ammo in a totally separate bag from the firearm and NEVER enter a school zone. You should be fine so long as you have the paperwork and follow those simple rules.
Also handguns are cool and all that but they are totally impractical for actual combat. A rifle will beat a handgun every time in a real world scenario unless you're literally standing next to each other. Handguns are for stopping muggers or assassinations attempts. Pic related would be my ideal carry pistol, if you need more than 2 shotgun blasts to get out of a situation you dun fucked up.
Depends, hopefully you at the very least have your FOID card and better yet your concealed carry permit. Keep the ammo in a totally separate bag from the firearm and NEVER enter a school zone. You should be fine so long as you have the paperwork and follow those simple rules.
Also handguns are cool and all that but they are totally impractical for actual combat. A rifle will beat a handgun every time in a real world scenario unless you're literally standing next to each other. Handguns are for stopping muggers or assassinations attempts. Pic related would be my ideal carry pistol, if you need more than 2 shotgun blasts to get out of a situation you dun fucked up.
>>45008
I almost forgot, if you do get pulled over with firearms always inform the officer that you have them. If you keep the ammo in a totally separate bag from the gun this will give you huge brownie points with the officer assuming its legal for you to have them in the first place.
I almost forgot, if you do get pulled over with firearms always inform the officer that you have them. If you keep the ammo in a totally separate bag from the gun this will give you huge brownie points with the officer assuming its legal for you to have them in the first place.
>>45008
I am not going to war. It would be exclusively for self defense (and defensive carry) and shooting at the range.
A handgun perfectly fits my use case better then any other type of firearm.
And no, what you pictured is as far from something I would actually want, mainly because it would be a massive pain in the ass to train with, and the ammo is expensive.
Do you really expect anyone to put in 1000+ hours training time on a gun like that?
I am not going to war. It would be exclusively for self defense (and defensive carry) and shooting at the range.
A handgun perfectly fits my use case better then any other type of firearm.
And no, what you pictured is as far from something I would actually want, mainly because it would be a massive pain in the ass to train with, and the ammo is expensive.
Do you really expect anyone to put in 1000+ hours training time on a gun like that?
>>45008
>my ideal carry pistol
>a .410 derringer.
Seriously? It doesn't get more ineffective than that.
>my ideal carry pistol
>a .410 derringer.
Seriously? It doesn't get more ineffective than that.
>>45011
>the ammo is expensive
This is why I recommended a BB rifle for starters but its all good man. If you never plan on being in a hot situation hopefully it is never forced on you.
>>45012
>>45013
If you want to kill someone that same barrel can also be fed .45 colt but that is not my intentions whatsoever.
>the ammo is expensive
This is why I recommended a BB rifle for starters but its all good man. If you never plan on being in a hot situation hopefully it is never forced on you.
>>45012
>>45013
If you want to kill someone that same barrel can also be fed .45 colt but that is not my intentions whatsoever.
>>45016
~$10 for 50 rounds is a big difference compared to ~$12 for 10 rounds of .410
Then you have .22 lr which is like ~$3 for 50 rounds, which is a fuck ton of practice for dropping a spare Andrew Jackson for some ammo at the local shops.
It is all about practice, and I intend to practice as much as I do with hand to hand. At the very putting in a few hours range time every week.
You are realistically not going to put in hours of training every week with a god damn darringer at all, and especially not a .410/.45 colt derringer budget is a concern.
>If you never plan on being in a hot situation
I don't understand this slang?
~$10 for 50 rounds is a big difference compared to ~$12 for 10 rounds of .410
Then you have .22 lr which is like ~$3 for 50 rounds, which is a fuck ton of practice for dropping a spare Andrew Jackson for some ammo at the local shops.
It is all about practice, and I intend to practice as much as I do with hand to hand. At the very putting in a few hours range time every week.
You are realistically not going to put in hours of training every week with a god damn darringer at all, and especially not a .410/.45 colt derringer budget is a concern.
>If you never plan on being in a hot situation
I don't understand this slang?
>>45017
Oshit you ment the derringer. By no means was I recommending that gun. It's just a personal favorite of mine.
>hot situation
Hot situation is either army terminology for Hands On Training or general speak for fighting with firearms.
Oshit you ment the derringer. By no means was I recommending that gun. It's just a personal favorite of mine.
>hot situation
Hot situation is either army terminology for Hands On Training or general speak for fighting with firearms.
>>45016
>If you want to kill someone that same barrel can also be fed .45 colt
yeah well even then it's still just a two-shot SAO of equivalent size, weight and price to a sub-compact 9mm or a snubnose revolver
derringers' only advantage is aesthetic
they sure are pretty
>If you want to kill someone that same barrel can also be fed .45 colt
yeah well even then it's still just a two-shot SAO of equivalent size, weight and price to a sub-compact 9mm or a snubnose revolver
derringers' only advantage is aesthetic
they sure are pretty
>>45017
So lets say you had your transport sorted and you could get to the range regularly.
What gun(s) are you looking to get?
So lets say you had your transport sorted and you could get to the range regularly.
What gun(s) are you looking to get?
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I'm excited. There's a chance that I might get an opportunity to get a weapons permit via my wageslave position. I live in a very weapons restrictive country, but I have always wished to own a pistol.
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So much dangerous wiz in this thread…
>>45027
For the 9mn I am leaning towards a SCCY CPX 2.
Good price, reviews are good, has a lifetime warranty with great customer service, and it is made in the US so there are no worries about import bullshit if they don't have it locally for some reason.
Haven't totally made up my mind because I have yet to see how it feels in my hand yet.
But on paper it looks good as something that I can train with, use for self defense, and when am ready, a gun I can get my CCW and carry.
http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/thoughts-pocket-pistol-everyday-carry-the-sccy-cpx-2/
Choosing a .22 handgun is a lot harder because there is just so many options and I want it less as a carry or self defense gun and more range and training gun. I mean it could still be used defensively in a pinch, but I prefer the 9mm for that task.
It is just to maximize training since both the guns and ammo are so cheap relative to other choices, and they are highly recommended to train with for beginners.
I will probably see what is avalable for a good price locally unless something really strikes my eye. I am open to suggestions of sub $400 .22 hand guns though.
For the 9mn I am leaning towards a SCCY CPX 2.
Good price, reviews are good, has a lifetime warranty with great customer service, and it is made in the US so there are no worries about import bullshit if they don't have it locally for some reason.
Haven't totally made up my mind because I have yet to see how it feels in my hand yet.
But on paper it looks good as something that I can train with, use for self defense, and when am ready, a gun I can get my CCW and carry.
http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/thoughts-pocket-pistol-everyday-carry-the-sccy-cpx-2/
Choosing a .22 handgun is a lot harder because there is just so many options and I want it less as a carry or self defense gun and more range and training gun. I mean it could still be used defensively in a pinch, but I prefer the 9mm for that task.
It is just to maximize training since both the guns and ammo are so cheap relative to other choices, and they are highly recommended to train with for beginners.
I will probably see what is avalable for a good price locally unless something really strikes my eye. I am open to suggestions of sub $400 .22 hand guns though.
As it turns out the state id that I currently have isn't usable for getting a gun in the state I currently live. So I have to get two proof of address and go down to the DMV to get id for this state., Which is a major pain since I have to use a po box to get mail so I have trouble finding mail with the address that I currently live.
Then I have to get the background check once I finally get the id, then wait 3 days after the background check clears, then and only then can I finally put down my money and buy a fucking gun. I don't even know how bad this shit will get trying to get a CCW permit.
I work nights so this is especially a pain in the ass since I have to go when I normally would be sleeping, and on my days off.
Why do I have to jump through so many hoops just to exercise a right guaranteed under the Constitution?
I am starting to think this isn't worth the trouble.
Then I have to get the background check once I finally get the id, then wait 3 days after the background check clears, then and only then can I finally put down my money and buy a fucking gun. I don't even know how bad this shit will get trying to get a CCW permit.
I work nights so this is especially a pain in the ass since I have to go when I normally would be sleeping, and on my days off.
Why do I have to jump through so many hoops just to exercise a right guaranteed under the Constitution?
I am starting to think this isn't worth the trouble.
>>45071
>Why do I need to jump through so many hoops just to exercise a right guaranteed under the Constitution?
Because the constitution died in the revolutionary war of 1861.
>Why do I need to jump through so many hoops just to exercise a right guaranteed under the Constitution?
Because the constitution died in the revolutionary war of 1861.
Well, going to a funshop today with this being the first time I am doing more then just looking.
Going to see what I need to make a purchase, if they have CCW training for a good price, if they have the gun I want, and if not how to order it and get it delivered there.
Hopefully it goes well, if not I will get my paperwork in order and try the local gun show in September.
Going to see what I need to make a purchase, if they have CCW training for a good price, if they have the gun I want, and if not how to order it and get it delivered there.
Hopefully it goes well, if not I will get my paperwork in order and try the local gun show in September.
>>45074
And I am back. I actually held a real gun for the first time. To get a handgun I do have to have something from the state that proves I am a resident.
But holding that hand gun has filled me with determination.
They even have the exact gun I want for a reasonable price.
They didn't really have a good selection of .22 handguns, but the guy there told be about how easy it is to get a gun sent to the shop once my paperwork is all good. So it is just a matter of getting the proof I live where I live or a state ID/driver's license. I really should get one anyway so that I can vote again in local elections.
And I am back. I actually held a real gun for the first time. To get a handgun I do have to have something from the state that proves I am a resident.
But holding that hand gun has filled me with determination.
They even have the exact gun I want for a reasonable price.
They didn't really have a good selection of .22 handguns, but the guy there told be about how easy it is to get a gun sent to the shop once my paperwork is all good. So it is just a matter of getting the proof I live where I live or a state ID/driver's license. I really should get one anyway so that I can vote again in local elections.
>>45078
glad to hear you are making progress. I bought my handgun a few months ago and very pleased with my decision to get one after much hesitation. It too is a handgun I really wanted for awhile and it feels good take it out and hold it. If I never get another gun, it will be ok because I really enjoy this one so much and have fun learning about others who own it online and rereading its specifications, and the gun itself reassures me every night when Im alone, as I live on the road basically.
glad to hear you are making progress. I bought my handgun a few months ago and very pleased with my decision to get one after much hesitation. It too is a handgun I really wanted for awhile and it feels good take it out and hold it. If I never get another gun, it will be ok because I really enjoy this one so much and have fun learning about others who own it online and rereading its specifications, and the gun itself reassures me every night when Im alone, as I live on the road basically.
>>45091
Oh. Well training for what? Everyone knows you can't train for a large round with a .22. The recoil and everything else is totally different.
Oh. Well training for what? Everyone knows you can't train for a large round with a .22. The recoil and everything else is totally different.
>>45092
Military and police forces have used and still use .22 training weapons.
Almost everything except the recoil and range are similar enough to train many necessary skills.
Military and police forces have used and still use .22 training weapons.
Almost everything except the recoil and range are similar enough to train many necessary skills.
>>45094
recoil seems like a meme to me.
7.62 / 5.56 NATO have negligible recoil even without spending any money on tech specifically designed to reduce it.
i've fired AR-15 alikes in a variety of calibers and never had any trouble. 12/8 ga are a little heavier though, and of course the hot pistol rounds, but those seem like a joke for any serious use.
unless you are firing an elephant gun i wouldn't worry about it wiz. just practice.
recoil seems like a meme to me.
7.62 / 5.56 NATO have negligible recoil even without spending any money on tech specifically designed to reduce it.
i've fired AR-15 alikes in a variety of calibers and never had any trouble. 12/8 ga are a little heavier though, and of course the hot pistol rounds, but those seem like a joke for any serious use.
unless you are firing an elephant gun i wouldn't worry about it wiz. just practice.
>>45078
I found a .22 handgun that I really like that I will probably order once I have everything in order.
I am still having trouble getting two proofs of residence to get my ID changed since my mail is all messed up.
Anyway I really want the
American Tactical Imports GSG Firefly SA/DA .22 LR.
Will serve my uses well, has good reviews, looks nice, and has a great price.
>>45089
Yeah.
>>45090
Not what I want. I am looking for a hand gun I can spend large amounts of time at the range with drilling weapon handling fundamentals such as aim, trigger pull, reloading, etc.
At this time I am focusing on hand guns, and have said nothing that indicates that I just want to plink.
I found a .22 handgun that I really like that I will probably order once I have everything in order.
I am still having trouble getting two proofs of residence to get my ID changed since my mail is all messed up.
Anyway I really want the
American Tactical Imports GSG Firefly SA/DA .22 LR.
Will serve my uses well, has good reviews, looks nice, and has a great price.
>>45089
Yeah.
>>45090
Not what I want. I am looking for a hand gun I can spend large amounts of time at the range with drilling weapon handling fundamentals such as aim, trigger pull, reloading, etc.
At this time I am focusing on hand guns, and have said nothing that indicates that I just want to plink.
>>45092
You train gun handling skills. Getting used to the noise, safe handling, trigger discipline, field strip and maintenance, that kind of thing. Also aim and general handling. They don't need to use it but the ammo is cheaper, which is probably better for the budget anyway.
You train gun handling skills. Getting used to the noise, safe handling, trigger discipline, field strip and maintenance, that kind of thing. Also aim and general handling. They don't need to use it but the ammo is cheaper, which is probably better for the budget anyway.
>>45099
Strong suit
>(in bridge) a holding of a number of high cards of one suit in a hand.
>a desirable quality that is particularly prominent in someone's character or an activity at which they excel.
Strong suit
>(in bridge) a holding of a number of high cards of one suit in a hand.
>a desirable quality that is particularly prominent in someone's character or an activity at which they excel.
Indiana State Police 1988 Training with a Speedloader
Though you guys might find it interesting is all.
Though you guys might find it interesting is all.
And just because why not.
A video on why mag restrictions are retarded (like anyone in this thread needs convincing of that)
I will stop posting vids for now.
Don't want to be accused of spam by the mods again.
A video on why mag restrictions are retarded (like anyone in this thread needs convincing of that)
I will stop posting vids for now.
Don't want to be accused of spam by the mods again.
Ok, one more post today, but this time it is not a video, more of a question.
Why is all revolver ammo so expensive compared to common auto ammo?
I though about maybe getting a revolver so I could play around with larger ranges of loads or use bulk surplus ammo without caring about it gumming up the gun too much, but everywhere I look in just about ever caliber (not counting .22 LR) it cost a lot more per a bullet compared to common auto rounds with the expedition of .40 which is getting hard to find, at least around here.
Why is all revolver ammo so expensive compared to common auto ammo?
I though about maybe getting a revolver so I could play around with larger ranges of loads or use bulk surplus ammo without caring about it gumming up the gun too much, but everywhere I look in just about ever caliber (not counting .22 LR) it cost a lot more per a bullet compared to common auto rounds with the expedition of .40 which is getting hard to find, at least around here.
>>45252
maybe there's a supply and demand problem currently going on
last I looked in a store here (years ago), auto ammo was generally the more expensive
maybe there's a supply and demand problem currently going on
last I looked in a store here (years ago), auto ammo was generally the more expensive
Well I found my new favorite fantasy dumb gun that would be fun to play with but I probably will not get.
The Calico M-100P Pistol with 100 Rd Magazine .22LR
The highest capacity out of the box hand gun ever made (that I know of) in the cheapest ammo available.
A match made in heaven for having fun as a handgun shooter.
The irony is the company started in CA. How times have changed.
The Calico M-100P Pistol with 100 Rd Magazine .22LR
The highest capacity out of the box hand gun ever made (that I know of) in the cheapest ammo available.
A match made in heaven for having fun as a handgun shooter.
The irony is the company started in CA. How times have changed.
What the fuck?
I was denied from the background check.
I don't have a criminal record of any kind, not even parking tickets. Never committed, no restraining orders, Born in the US, and too my knowledge not wanted for anything. I have no fucking clue why I failed.
I passed the background check for my current job with flying colors just a few months ago so I really don't know what the fuck is going on.
Gun shop dude said I should come in and fill out a appeal form and says that they don't actually give him the reason why someone fails the background check.
Could I be wanted by the law without even knowing it for some retarded reason? Like could this be a set up, and I messed up a form somewhere and now the feds are doing a sting for fucking up the paper work.
I don't know. I am freaking out.
I was denied from the background check.
I don't have a criminal record of any kind, not even parking tickets. Never committed, no restraining orders, Born in the US, and too my knowledge not wanted for anything. I have no fucking clue why I failed.
I passed the background check for my current job with flying colors just a few months ago so I really don't know what the fuck is going on.
Gun shop dude said I should come in and fill out a appeal form and says that they don't actually give him the reason why someone fails the background check.
Could I be wanted by the law without even knowing it for some retarded reason? Like could this be a set up, and I messed up a form somewhere and now the feds are doing a sting for fucking up the paper work.
I don't know. I am freaking out.
>>45279
This means that They suspect you for something and are monitoring you. Your house is probably bugged. Your computer and ISP activity is almost definitely being logged and reviewed. Get a lawyer, dispose of anything incriminating, stay clean and stay noided.
This means that They suspect you for something and are monitoring you. Your house is probably bugged. Your computer and ISP activity is almost definitely being logged and reviewed. Get a lawyer, dispose of anything incriminating, stay clean and stay noided.
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>>45279
You aren't being gang stalked by the government anymore than anyone else so don't worry about that.
Background checks have changed somewhat since mentally deranged murder spree fanomenon started sweeping the nation.
Your age/marital status/race/mental health history/substance abuse history & especially what state you're in are just some of the factors which have become a potential hangup more so in the last two decades.
Much like how insurance rates are higher for people in their 20s it has now become more difficult for that same group of people to purchase firearms. What gun were you looking at if I may ask?
You aren't being gang stalked by the government anymore than anyone else so don't worry about that.
Background checks have changed somewhat since mentally deranged murder spree fanomenon started sweeping the nation.
Your age/marital status/race/mental health history/substance abuse history & especially what state you're in are just some of the factors which have become a potential hangup more so in the last two decades.
Much like how insurance rates are higher for people in their 20s it has now become more difficult for that same group of people to purchase firearms. What gun were you looking at if I may ask?
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>>45279
did you put your SSN on the form? if there are wanted felons with your information, and you opted to not use the SSN it could get rejected.
>you may have gotten a traffic ticket in another state, did not go to court, and are now a felon with a warrant
>there may be a criminal with your name/height/age
>your information may not have matched on your ID and the forms
>if you have medicinal marijuana, or are on neetbux you may have been flagged (though that may just be some states, and not particularly the entire nation
>you checked the wrong boxes
there are always private sales, check armslist to contact local people selling guns
http://www.armslist.com/
dont act like a creep, dont use memes, and dont resell guns to criminals. most people just want to see your drives license and maybe sign a bill of sale, price check though, because people will try to sell a .22 cal AR15 for 3x what it should be worth and call it a "tactical assault custom rifle" or some bullshit
did you put your SSN on the form? if there are wanted felons with your information, and you opted to not use the SSN it could get rejected.
>you may have gotten a traffic ticket in another state, did not go to court, and are now a felon with a warrant
>there may be a criminal with your name/height/age
>your information may not have matched on your ID and the forms
>if you have medicinal marijuana, or are on neetbux you may have been flagged (though that may just be some states, and not particularly the entire nation
>you checked the wrong boxes
there are always private sales, check armslist to contact local people selling guns
http://www.armslist.com/
dont act like a creep, dont use memes, and dont resell guns to criminals. most people just want to see your drives license and maybe sign a bill of sale, price check though, because people will try to sell a .22 cal AR15 for 3x what it should be worth and call it a "tactical assault custom rifle" or some bullshit
>>45288
Well I did some research and the only way to know why I was denied is to go back to the shop on Monday and submit a form requesting the reason.
I did put my SSI# but I may have messed up something on the application.
All I know is now I am super nervous that a swat team is going to bust in any minute and fuck me up for something I had no knowledge of.
Thanks for the advice but I think I am going to try and sort this nonsense out first.
>>45287
SCCY CPX 2.
I like it a lot and it is relatively inexpensive.
Well I did some research and the only way to know why I was denied is to go back to the shop on Monday and submit a form requesting the reason.
I did put my SSI# but I may have messed up something on the application.
All I know is now I am super nervous that a swat team is going to bust in any minute and fuck me up for something I had no knowledge of.
Thanks for the advice but I think I am going to try and sort this nonsense out first.
>>45287
SCCY CPX 2.
I like it a lot and it is relatively inexpensive.
I wonder how functional a sword I can make from one of those $50 mild steel katana-like-objects using the "super quench" formula. The one I own should achieve about 45rc hardness as-quenched, which would make it basically a leaf spring, and on par with historical western swords. That'd be quite a budget sword.
>>45296
It's not a really good idea unless you know the composition of the steel for fact.
You would probably get better results cutting out a blank from a sheet of knon steel and grinding it to shape, then tempering how you want it.
If you already have the tools then it will be cheaper and give better mor consistent results.
It's not a really good idea unless you know the composition of the steel for fact.
You would probably get better results cutting out a blank from a sheet of knon steel and grinding it to shape, then tempering how you want it.
If you already have the tools then it will be cheaper and give better mor consistent results.
>>45298
No, I know the steel. I'm just imagining what sort of sharpness and edge retention I'd get with 1045 steel at spring hardness. If it's what I think, it'd be a hell of a nice weapon.
No, I know the steel. I'm just imagining what sort of sharpness and edge retention I'd get with 1045 steel at spring hardness. If it's what I think, it'd be a hell of a nice weapon.
>>45298
If that's the case then it would be a interesting experiment, but care must be taken to keep the heat even and be careful on the quench.
There is a risk of losing the blade but if everything is done right it could work out alright.
Most of my knowledge on metallurgy is more text book and equations type stuff then technical so I will just have to assume you know what your are doing as far as actually getting it done.
If that's the case then it would be a interesting experiment, but care must be taken to keep the heat even and be careful on the quench.
There is a risk of losing the blade but if everything is done right it could work out alright.
Most of my knowledge on metallurgy is more text book and equations type stuff then technical so I will just have to assume you know what your are doing as far as actually getting it done.
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>>45029
superp choice, the ergos are 10000x better than glock, and the triangle sights are a nice touch
>>45294
so you were actually "DENIED" and not just pending/not allowed (IIRC you can pick it up after 10 days of no reply)? that seems a little more uncommon, and would probably be because of some inconsistency or messed up form, did you recently move? addresses can cause that, as can trying to buy a gun in a different state (you need to send it to a legal dealer in your state of residency)
people get denied all the time, you wont get SWATTED unless you are doing something really illegal or questionable wizzie.
I have been interested in a SCCY for some time now, nice compact and a cheap range toy too, great compact beginner gun. you are over 21 right? if you are under 21, no handgun sale…
>>45296
>>45298
metalurgy is actually hard to get right, the best bet would be to grind a peice of metal to avoid inconsistencies. katanas are a very niche weapon, and they need to be specifically crafted otherwise they turn out too brittle or will bend/ cut poorly. better off just making a machete or something
>>45300
most Kukri knives from nepal are made from spring steel
superp choice, the ergos are 10000x better than glock, and the triangle sights are a nice touch
>>45294
so you were actually "DENIED" and not just pending/not allowed (IIRC you can pick it up after 10 days of no reply)? that seems a little more uncommon, and would probably be because of some inconsistency or messed up form, did you recently move? addresses can cause that, as can trying to buy a gun in a different state (you need to send it to a legal dealer in your state of residency)
people get denied all the time, you wont get SWATTED unless you are doing something really illegal or questionable wizzie.
I have been interested in a SCCY for some time now, nice compact and a cheap range toy too, great compact beginner gun. you are over 21 right? if you are under 21, no handgun sale…
>>45296
>>45298
metalurgy is actually hard to get right, the best bet would be to grind a peice of metal to avoid inconsistencies. katanas are a very niche weapon, and they need to be specifically crafted otherwise they turn out too brittle or will bend/ cut poorly. better off just making a machete or something
>>45300
most Kukri knives from nepal are made from spring steel
>>45301
>be careful on the quench.
I know I would start by making better tongs. Mine are too flimsy for large stuff and I used a 10" pliers last time. The oil flared up like a flamethrower and almost burned my gloves off. lol
>be careful on the quench.
I know I would start by making better tongs. Mine are too flimsy for large stuff and I used a 10" pliers last time. The oil flared up like a flamethrower and almost burned my gloves off. lol
>>45302
>metalurgy is actually hard to get right
did you mean forging?
>katanas need to be specifically crafted
we're not talking about making a nihonto here, just a gunto
>most Kukri knives from nepal are made from spring steel
"spring steel" has different meanings, we're using the metallurgical definition of steel tempered to a hardness range that corresponds to the mechanical qualities of springs, like flexibility and resistance to work hardening
>metalurgy is actually hard to get right
did you mean forging?
>katanas need to be specifically crafted
we're not talking about making a nihonto here, just a gunto
>most Kukri knives from nepal are made from spring steel
"spring steel" has different meanings, we're using the metallurgical definition of steel tempered to a hardness range that corresponds to the mechanical qualities of springs, like flexibility and resistance to work hardening
>>45296
You can get a surprisingly functional katana online right now made out of 1045 high carbon steel for anywhere from 35-60 dollars on the very lowest of ends.
Chinese steel industry is owned almost entirely by the government and with steel demand lowering worldwide the local manufacturers of cheap goods have been having a field day when it comes to all the different products they can pump out for next to nothing. Now with that being said in regards to the steel it's important to note that every other piece of the sword is going to be junk from the start. If you pick up a cheap katana and approach it with the right frame of mind however it can become a very fun pastime working on it.
You can get a surprisingly functional katana online right now made out of 1045 high carbon steel for anywhere from 35-60 dollars on the very lowest of ends.
Chinese steel industry is owned almost entirely by the government and with steel demand lowering worldwide the local manufacturers of cheap goods have been having a field day when it comes to all the different products they can pump out for next to nothing. Now with that being said in regards to the steel it's important to note that every other piece of the sword is going to be junk from the start. If you pick up a cheap katana and approach it with the right frame of mind however it can become a very fun pastime working on it.
>>45307
>functional
No, that's the thing. Those are all cheap as shit because they're made from lower cost mild steel, that is, any so-called carbon steel under .50% carbon. In terms of weapons in general, mild steel lacks the carbon content necessary to produce the higher levels of hardness (45rc+) you want in a weapon, and in terms of blades specifically, the desirable microstructure for the edge, if you quench it in traditional media like oil or water. All those cheap mild carbon swords are getting quenched in oil or water if they're getting quenched at all. That's why they're so soft and can't take a fine edge, and bend like taffy. They're not functional.
>functional
No, that's the thing. Those are all cheap as shit because they're made from lower cost mild steel, that is, any so-called carbon steel under .50% carbon. In terms of weapons in general, mild steel lacks the carbon content necessary to produce the higher levels of hardness (45rc+) you want in a weapon, and in terms of blades specifically, the desirable microstructure for the edge, if you quench it in traditional media like oil or water. All those cheap mild carbon swords are getting quenched in oil or water if they're getting quenched at all. That's why they're so soft and can't take a fine edge, and bend like taffy. They're not functional.
>>45309
When I say functional all I mean is that if it has an edge and if you swing it at a person like a baseball bat it will cause damage.
From your perspective of the words use I can't tell if you are trying to melt it down and reforge it or go into medieval warfare with it.
When I say functional all I mean is that if it has an edge and if you swing it at a person like a baseball bat it will cause damage.
From your perspective of the words use I can't tell if you are trying to melt it down and reforge it or go into medieval warfare with it.
>>45307
>>45309
>You can get a surprisingly functional katana online right now made out of 1045 high carbon steel for anywhere from 35-60 dollars on the very lowest of ends.
going to have to call bullshit on that. the cheapest katana to buy if you like to keep your limbs and dont want trash would be a Hanwei "practical katana" series which is about 200-300 depending on features… that is probably the lowest quality you want to use for functional cutting practice.
>The blade is forged and differentially tempered (HRC60 edge, HRC40 back) and the hamon is prominent.
these are made for function, and are not some "folded 1000000 times" type swords, just something cheap for hitting things with. its alright if you don't want a traditionally made sword that goes for 600-1000+ dollars. bear in mind it is also the bare minimum in what you need in a sword if you are going to be cutting things
>>45309
>You can get a surprisingly functional katana online right now made out of 1045 high carbon steel for anywhere from 35-60 dollars on the very lowest of ends.
going to have to call bullshit on that. the cheapest katana to buy if you like to keep your limbs and dont want trash would be a Hanwei "practical katana" series which is about 200-300 depending on features… that is probably the lowest quality you want to use for functional cutting practice.
>The blade is forged and differentially tempered (HRC60 edge, HRC40 back) and the hamon is prominent.
these are made for function, and are not some "folded 1000000 times" type swords, just something cheap for hitting things with. its alright if you don't want a traditionally made sword that goes for 600-1000+ dollars. bear in mind it is also the bare minimum in what you need in a sword if you are going to be cutting things
>>45310
My fault. The sword craze and its nomenclature have been mainstream for so many years I just assume everyone knows what functional means. Like, "would survive on an actual medieval battlefield" functional.
>I can't tell if you are trying to melt it down and reforge it
no
it would just be frying it in charcoal until it's glowing orange and dunking it in brine mixed with liquid soap and shit……
My fault. The sword craze and its nomenclature have been mainstream for so many years I just assume everyone knows what functional means. Like, "would survive on an actual medieval battlefield" functional.
>I can't tell if you are trying to melt it down and reforge it
no
it would just be frying it in charcoal until it's glowing orange and dunking it in brine mixed with liquid soap and shit……
>>45311
There is some stuff from smaller producers that is cheaper yet is suitable for cuts.
I have seen stuff from 150 to 200 range that has pretty good evidence it would hold up.
I don't know why katanas are so expensive compared to other stuff though. For fuck sake, I have in person seen a 10 dollar machete out preform $100 dollar katanas because they cheaped out in really retarded ways that render it useless for actually cutting stuff.
But like I said I have seen a few things in the $150 range where they cheaped out on everything but the important part (the blade) so that you can actually cut shit and not get impaled or something. Just expect littrally everything around the blade to start going to shit once it leaves the box. Handle scales coming loose, scabbard splitting, wrap falling apart and feels like sand paper in the hands, etc. but with a bit of jerry rigging and some duct tape they are quite fun to slash and bash shit in the yard.
There is some stuff from smaller producers that is cheaper yet is suitable for cuts.
I have seen stuff from 150 to 200 range that has pretty good evidence it would hold up.
I don't know why katanas are so expensive compared to other stuff though. For fuck sake, I have in person seen a 10 dollar machete out preform $100 dollar katanas because they cheaped out in really retarded ways that render it useless for actually cutting stuff.
But like I said I have seen a few things in the $150 range where they cheaped out on everything but the important part (the blade) so that you can actually cut shit and not get impaled or something. Just expect littrally everything around the blade to start going to shit once it leaves the box. Handle scales coming loose, scabbard splitting, wrap falling apart and feels like sand paper in the hands, etc. but with a bit of jerry rigging and some duct tape they are quite fun to slash and bash shit in the yard.
>>45313
tbh I dont know, I personally tend to avoid anything with the word "tactical" since the selling point is usually to be for a target audience of zombie apocalypse mall ninja neckbeard types. But even with strong steel, katanas are not supposed to be made of the same material. their benefit comes from having part of the blade rigid and sharp for cutting, and part of the blade soft and flexible to prevent shattering/shearing, achieving a similar effect with a single metal usually means having to increase the weight by substituting a denser and stronger metal to use as the blade material. I am by no means a metal expert or engineer, but I am somewhat of a professional weapons expert (my strong point is not blades) who has seen a few things if that counts for anything.
>>45314
imo katanas are a shitty weapon, because it takes years of skill to master a few basic moves, which outweighs the risk of having a weapon and using it when needed. a $10 machete will outperform a $1000 katana in the wrong hand simply because of technique used for each.
the katana also needs to cut at extremely precise angles or else the blade will ricochet/bounce.
I have found this site to explain a good deal about the mechanics of katanas http://www.toyamaryu.org/edge_geometry.htm
>The geometry of the sword will determine the optimum angle the blade should be at. The best analogy is a chisel cutting through wood. Each sword has a slightly different optimum angle. If you have an understanding of the geometry of each blade, you can determine the best way to use it successfully.
think of a katana like a high performance car, it works nicely when properly maintained and in the right hands, but an amateur is likely to fuck it up.
tbh I dont know, I personally tend to avoid anything with the word "tactical" since the selling point is usually to be for a target audience of zombie apocalypse mall ninja neckbeard types. But even with strong steel, katanas are not supposed to be made of the same material. their benefit comes from having part of the blade rigid and sharp for cutting, and part of the blade soft and flexible to prevent shattering/shearing, achieving a similar effect with a single metal usually means having to increase the weight by substituting a denser and stronger metal to use as the blade material. I am by no means a metal expert or engineer, but I am somewhat of a professional weapons expert (my strong point is not blades) who has seen a few things if that counts for anything.
>>45314
imo katanas are a shitty weapon, because it takes years of skill to master a few basic moves, which outweighs the risk of having a weapon and using it when needed. a $10 machete will outperform a $1000 katana in the wrong hand simply because of technique used for each.
the katana also needs to cut at extremely precise angles or else the blade will ricochet/bounce.
I have found this site to explain a good deal about the mechanics of katanas http://www.toyamaryu.org/edge_geometry.htm
>The geometry of the sword will determine the optimum angle the blade should be at. The best analogy is a chisel cutting through wood. Each sword has a slightly different optimum angle. If you have an understanding of the geometry of each blade, you can determine the best way to use it successfully.
think of a katana like a high performance car, it works nicely when properly maintained and in the right hands, but an amateur is likely to fuck it up.
>>45316
Actually the user I was talking about has training and can use a non-shit katana just fine.
A katana is not really that hard to learn how to use in my experence. You just have to learn how to properly keep the edge alined and learn to draw-cut/push-pull. It took me all of a afternoon when messing around with a few different swords and a fuck ton of pool noodles.
Then again I have training from a different martial art so there is a lot of transferable skills that makes picking up stuff like that a lot easier.
Anyway my point is, no they made the sword wrong. It was used correctly but was shit.
The machete was made correctly so despite being cheap if out preformed the katana. Katana are not magic or some shit. They are not all that much harder to learn to use then any other sword, at least when it comes to test cutting technique. Don't know about "sword fighting" stuff because I don't personally study that.
Actually the user I was talking about has training and can use a non-shit katana just fine.
A katana is not really that hard to learn how to use in my experence. You just have to learn how to properly keep the edge alined and learn to draw-cut/push-pull. It took me all of a afternoon when messing around with a few different swords and a fuck ton of pool noodles.
Then again I have training from a different martial art so there is a lot of transferable skills that makes picking up stuff like that a lot easier.
Anyway my point is, no they made the sword wrong. It was used correctly but was shit.
The machete was made correctly so despite being cheap if out preformed the katana. Katana are not magic or some shit. They are not all that much harder to learn to use then any other sword, at least when it comes to test cutting technique. Don't know about "sword fighting" stuff because I don't personally study that.
>>45311
>the cheapest katana to buy if you like to keep your limbs
This claim is very intriguing to me. I hopefully did not miss the poster but I am genuinely interested in how a katana can steal your limbs from the wielders end of the sword.
I specifically said "the very lowest of ends" in my post simply because I consider entry level katanas to be almost like toys that means no medieval warfare.
So my question is, how can a full tang high carbon steel relatively sharp katana steal your limb?
>the cheapest katana to buy if you like to keep your limbs
This claim is very intriguing to me. I hopefully did not miss the poster but I am genuinely interested in how a katana can steal your limbs from the wielders end of the sword.
I specifically said "the very lowest of ends" in my post simply because I consider entry level katanas to be almost like toys that means no medieval warfare.
So my question is, how can a full tang high carbon steel relatively sharp katana steal your limb?
>>45314
>I don't know why katanas are so expensive compared to other stuff though.
Depends on the katana. If you're talking about the folded steel ones with all the fancy silk and silver and handfitting, hell yeah those are expensive, but so is any sword with that level of investment.
>For fuck sake, I have in person seen a 10 dollar machete out preform $100 dollar katanas because they cheaped out in really retarded ways that render it useless for actually cutting stuff.
If you look at the blade cross-section and curve of japanese swords (or any saber for that matter) they're obviously designed for cutting unprotected flesh. Of course they'd be outperformed by a machete in backyard cutting. Hell, anything is outperformed by a machete in backyard cutting. The differences come down to blade geometry, not craftsmanship.
>>45316
>katanas are not supposed to be made of the same material
"Supposed to" is a value judgment, not an engineering rule or something. It's like people saying lever-action rifles aren't supposed to have scopes, because it looks silly to them.
>their benefit comes from having part of the blade rigid and sharp for cutting, and part of the blade soft and flexible to prevent shattering/shearing
The typical edge hardness range of nihonto actually makes them more vulnerable to shattering. The soft spine actually makes them more vulnerable to taking bends. Nihonto don't really supply any benefits over blades that are through-hardened and uniformly tempered. Honestly, I think the only reason the japanese even made differential hardening the rule is because they're obsessed with the hamon it produces. Like, it obviously jives with their whole cultural aesthetic.
>achieving a similar effect with a single metal usually means having to increase the weight by substituting a denser and stronger metal to use as the blade material.
You can differentially harden mono-steel blades and get full hamon. I don't know what you mean about densities.
>I don't know why katanas are so expensive compared to other stuff though.
Depends on the katana. If you're talking about the folded steel ones with all the fancy silk and silver and handfitting, hell yeah those are expensive, but so is any sword with that level of investment.
>For fuck sake, I have in person seen a 10 dollar machete out preform $100 dollar katanas because they cheaped out in really retarded ways that render it useless for actually cutting stuff.
If you look at the blade cross-section and curve of japanese swords (or any saber for that matter) they're obviously designed for cutting unprotected flesh. Of course they'd be outperformed by a machete in backyard cutting. Hell, anything is outperformed by a machete in backyard cutting. The differences come down to blade geometry, not craftsmanship.
>>45316
>katanas are not supposed to be made of the same material
"Supposed to" is a value judgment, not an engineering rule or something. It's like people saying lever-action rifles aren't supposed to have scopes, because it looks silly to them.
>their benefit comes from having part of the blade rigid and sharp for cutting, and part of the blade soft and flexible to prevent shattering/shearing
The typical edge hardness range of nihonto actually makes them more vulnerable to shattering. The soft spine actually makes them more vulnerable to taking bends. Nihonto don't really supply any benefits over blades that are through-hardened and uniformly tempered. Honestly, I think the only reason the japanese even made differential hardening the rule is because they're obsessed with the hamon it produces. Like, it obviously jives with their whole cultural aesthetic.
>achieving a similar effect with a single metal usually means having to increase the weight by substituting a denser and stronger metal to use as the blade material.
You can differentially harden mono-steel blades and get full hamon. I don't know what you mean about densities.
>>45325
You misunderstood the comparison between the machete and katana by assuming things.
What was being used for the test cuts that day was the normal staples of cheap backyard test cutting.
Test that a property made katana blade can far out preform any machete (which I have also personally seen and experienced).
I keep telling you that sword was shit but for whatever reason you guys keep trying to say it is something, anything else.
That said I don't think there is anything good reason why there is any style of sword that can't be produced in this modern age that is usable at around $100 bucks.
Steel is cheap and the current tech makes it easy to shit out full tang sword blades, give them a quick grind, slap on a shitty handle, and throw in a shitty Chinese nylon sheath and sell it as something ugly to pound the shit out of.
Wait, I think I just described most of cold steels products only just not over priced.
I wwonder if I had the money could such a business strategy work in the current blade market.
I don't know the level of demand there is for people who want beater swords.
You misunderstood the comparison between the machete and katana by assuming things.
What was being used for the test cuts that day was the normal staples of cheap backyard test cutting.
Test that a property made katana blade can far out preform any machete (which I have also personally seen and experienced).
I keep telling you that sword was shit but for whatever reason you guys keep trying to say it is something, anything else.
That said I don't think there is anything good reason why there is any style of sword that can't be produced in this modern age that is usable at around $100 bucks.
Steel is cheap and the current tech makes it easy to shit out full tang sword blades, give them a quick grind, slap on a shitty handle, and throw in a shitty Chinese nylon sheath and sell it as something ugly to pound the shit out of.
Wait, I think I just described most of cold steels products only just not over priced.
I wwonder if I had the money could such a business strategy work in the current blade market.
I don't know the level of demand there is for people who want beater swords.
>>45326
>You misunderstood the comparison between the machete and katana by assuming things.
Yeah well, you never gave the specifics so we can only assume you were using typical cutting targets like cardboard and water bottles and shit.
>What was being used for the test cuts that day was the normal staples of cheap backyard test cutting.
Precisely.
Why are you shocked the katana didn't perform again?
>I keep telling you that sword was shit
it could've been the world's most expensive katana, it still wouldn't beat a machete in chopping wood and whatever backyard junk you had
>Test that a property made katana blade can far out preform any machete (which I have also personally seen and experienced).
Highly context sensitive claim. Specifics please.
That said I don't think there is anything good reason why there is any style of sword that can't be produced in this modern age that is usable at around $100 bucks.
http://www.kultofathena.com/condor.asp
here's an example
>shit out full tang sword blades, give them a quick grind, slap on a shitty handle
I'm sensing you don't know what really goes into making swords.
>Wait, I think I just described most of cold steels products
the dumbest cold steel sword is objectively stronger than any traditional katana
>You misunderstood the comparison between the machete and katana by assuming things.
Yeah well, you never gave the specifics so we can only assume you were using typical cutting targets like cardboard and water bottles and shit.
>What was being used for the test cuts that day was the normal staples of cheap backyard test cutting.
Precisely.
Why are you shocked the katana didn't perform again?
>I keep telling you that sword was shit
it could've been the world's most expensive katana, it still wouldn't beat a machete in chopping wood and whatever backyard junk you had
>Test that a property made katana blade can far out preform any machete (which I have also personally seen and experienced).
Highly context sensitive claim. Specifics please.
That said I don't think there is anything good reason why there is any style of sword that can't be produced in this modern age that is usable at around $100 bucks.
http://www.kultofathena.com/condor.asp
here's an example
>shit out full tang sword blades, give them a quick grind, slap on a shitty handle
I'm sensing you don't know what really goes into making swords.
>Wait, I think I just described most of cold steels products
the dumbest cold steel sword is objectively stronger than any traditional katana
>>45424
i am no expert, but from my experience in project reality it offers the same effect as suppressive fire in that it scares the shit out of people, either making people hide or making people create mistakes and get themselves killed
i am no expert, but from my experience in project reality it offers the same effect as suppressive fire in that it scares the shit out of people, either making people hide or making people create mistakes and get themselves killed
>>45424
The primary role of mortars is to provide immediately available, responsive indirect fires
that support the maneuver of the company or battalion, and that reinforce direct fires
during close combat.
In the attack, effective maneuver requires a base of fir
e, both direct and indirect, to do the
following:
•
To establish the conditions for maneuver.
•
To suppress the enemy.
•
To fix him in place.
•
To provide close supporting fires for the assault.
In the defense, this base of fire is used as follows:
•
To force
armored vehicles to button up.
•
To breakup enemy troop concentrations.
•
To reduce the enemy's mobility and canalize his assault forces into engagement
areas.
•
To deny him the advantage of defilade terrain and force him into areas covered by
direct fire wea
pons.
•
To break up the enemy combined arms team and destroy his synchronization.
•
To protect the infantry against a close dismounted assault.
The primary role of mortars is to provide immediately available, responsive indirect fires
that support the maneuver of the company or battalion, and that reinforce direct fires
during close combat.
In the attack, effective maneuver requires a base of fir
e, both direct and indirect, to do the
following:
•
To establish the conditions for maneuver.
•
To suppress the enemy.
•
To fix him in place.
•
To provide close supporting fires for the assault.
In the defense, this base of fire is used as follows:
•
To force
armored vehicles to button up.
•
To breakup enemy troop concentrations.
•
To reduce the enemy's mobility and canalize his assault forces into engagement
areas.
•
To deny him the advantage of defilade terrain and force him into areas covered by
direct fire wea
pons.
•
To break up the enemy combined arms team and destroy his synchronization.
•
To protect the infantry against a close dismounted assault.
>>45427
Not sure if you are summarizing what was said in the video for the 2 or 3 people that seem to have a problem with youtube videos or you just pasting the answer you googled.
Not sure if you are summarizing what was said in the video for the 2 or 3 people that seem to have a problem with youtube videos or you just pasting the answer you googled.
I am thinking about getting some sort of pepper spray but I am really worried about back spray/getting hit with my own spray or the wind rendering the thing useless at a distance.
I am thinking Pepper spray would be a good option for when things are between 20-6 feet away.
Anything closer then that and I would most likely rely on my hand to hand training, anything farther away I would probably have a big enough gap to run and get out of the situation. If they give chase and enter that range then spray and then run again. Provided I hit the face they no longer can see so they no longer can effectively run after me.
It also is a great option against animals without having to permanently injure or kill the animal, which is probably the biggest reason why I started looking at defensive sprays. I really don't want to have to curb stomp someone's poorly trained dog to death or carry around a big stick like some of the ladies that go for morning walks around here do.
It also is the use of force that is least likely to cause legal problems if it came to that, in situations where lethal force would be too much.
If I punch somebody or throw them, no matter how much control I use there is the risk due to other factors of the results end up being disproportionate to intent and end up being seen as excessive force and therefor not self defense. For example a elderly attacker or one in poor health, or a female attacker.
If I feel that non-lethal force is required to defend myself I don't want to hesitate based the aggressor. Having one universal option from a legal perspective clears up some things and removes that hesitation.
And again having something that I don't really have to modify significantly when faced with a non-human attacker, and allows me to use non-lethal force from a distance is really nice too.
All that said, I am not sure what to actually get, and I still worry about the cons of wind or spraying myself.
I am thinking Pepper spray would be a good option for when things are between 20-6 feet away.
Anything closer then that and I would most likely rely on my hand to hand training, anything farther away I would probably have a big enough gap to run and get out of the situation. If they give chase and enter that range then spray and then run again. Provided I hit the face they no longer can see so they no longer can effectively run after me.
It also is a great option against animals without having to permanently injure or kill the animal, which is probably the biggest reason why I started looking at defensive sprays. I really don't want to have to curb stomp someone's poorly trained dog to death or carry around a big stick like some of the ladies that go for morning walks around here do.
It also is the use of force that is least likely to cause legal problems if it came to that, in situations where lethal force would be too much.
If I punch somebody or throw them, no matter how much control I use there is the risk due to other factors of the results end up being disproportionate to intent and end up being seen as excessive force and therefor not self defense. For example a elderly attacker or one in poor health, or a female attacker.
If I feel that non-lethal force is required to defend myself I don't want to hesitate based the aggressor. Having one universal option from a legal perspective clears up some things and removes that hesitation.
And again having something that I don't really have to modify significantly when faced with a non-human attacker, and allows me to use non-lethal force from a distance is really nice too.
All that said, I am not sure what to actually get, and I still worry about the cons of wind or spraying myself.
>>45437
>getting hit with my own spray or the wind
Most mace makers offer models that shoot a liquid stream rather than a fog/mist type spray specifically for that reason.
>getting hit with my own spray or the wind
Most mace makers offer models that shoot a liquid stream rather than a fog/mist type spray specifically for that reason.
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>>45437
>>45438
I have been pepper sprayed, and have had to do combat training while sprayed. It sucks yeah, but a trained opponent can even fight/shoot you with spray in his eyes (the pain is mostly mental and can be overcome).
legally, the biggest concern is ballistic needling (the pressure doing damage) from using it at too close. splash back is a real threat at close ranges too (varies by brand) and you need to worry about if he tackles you and smears the spray on you during close quarters hand to hand fighting then you also get sprayed.
It is alright for most people, but not so effective against drunks/druggies and a limited number of people are immune to it.
for $5 it is well worth it, but make sure that you know how to use it, and if it does not work, you can work around any problems (spray getting on you/not working on him)
the range is nice, but it is a poor tool in a vehicle or if your opponent has a clear path and can charge you despite being sprayed. some more muscular people loose control and just start bashing everything once sprayed. the best defense is to have a tiered system with OC/baton or hand to hand/firearm
what matters is that you can legally justify the means used (you could not have been safe without using any more force than the method you used)
>>45438
I have been pepper sprayed, and have had to do combat training while sprayed. It sucks yeah, but a trained opponent can even fight/shoot you with spray in his eyes (the pain is mostly mental and can be overcome).
legally, the biggest concern is ballistic needling (the pressure doing damage) from using it at too close. splash back is a real threat at close ranges too (varies by brand) and you need to worry about if he tackles you and smears the spray on you during close quarters hand to hand fighting then you also get sprayed.
It is alright for most people, but not so effective against drunks/druggies and a limited number of people are immune to it.
for $5 it is well worth it, but make sure that you know how to use it, and if it does not work, you can work around any problems (spray getting on you/not working on him)
the range is nice, but it is a poor tool in a vehicle or if your opponent has a clear path and can charge you despite being sprayed. some more muscular people loose control and just start bashing everything once sprayed. the best defense is to have a tiered system with OC/baton or hand to hand/firearm
what matters is that you can legally justify the means used (you could not have been safe without using any more force than the method you used)
>>45438
I am reading about this gel stuff that seems to be a pretty good. Only downside is your aim has to be pretty good, so I have to figure out a way to practice with them without shelling out like $20+ for a session of practice.
At least with the streams I guess I could find some alternative but cheap ways to practice.
Oddly enough I am also wondering hypotheticly if one was in a place or had to travel to a place with restrictions on pepper spray for some dumb reason then could one just make their own from some sort of pure capsaicin extract ether bought or made. The only question then is finding a sutible deliviry method that best fits the use case. Like a modified water gun for home defense, or a modified pressurized container like a lighter or small spray canister for really close quarters applications, or even one of those little spray bottles in a pinch for indoor applications. Can't think of anything homemade besides a squirt gun or those home cleaning spray bottles that would likely have a reliable range beyond 5 or 6 feet though. So anything with range probably isn't going to be reasonable to carry.
Just theorizing though. As far as something to actually carry I am just going to buy something that is actually purpose built for the thing I want it to do.
>>45440
The way I see it is a way to at a distance majorly impede their ability to fight or chase me as well as being a option that is "gentile" then using my hand to hand training which does have the risk of even with control causing permanent serious injury or death, all be it unlikely if I am exercising control. Since OC causes involuntary inflammatory responses on contact such as swelling up the mucous membranes in the eyes, nose and throat making it difficult to see or breath even if they are able to fight through the pain puts me at a advantage for whatever needs to happen next, be that fighting, running, or other action that may be required.
I just hope if I have to use it on a dog or other animal it is enough to end the attack, as I don't really have the training of fighting non-humans in hand to hand, or hand to teeth and claws.
>you can work around any problems (spray getting on you…
I don't like where this train of though is heading.
Something tells me I am going to end up spraying my self "just in case" for the sake of training while effected and end up not even having to use the thing.
Then again I do dumb and painful things (from a outside perspective) for the sake of training and preparation for the worst anyway so whatever.
I am reading about this gel stuff that seems to be a pretty good. Only downside is your aim has to be pretty good, so I have to figure out a way to practice with them without shelling out like $20+ for a session of practice.
At least with the streams I guess I could find some alternative but cheap ways to practice.
Oddly enough I am also wondering hypotheticly if one was in a place or had to travel to a place with restrictions on pepper spray for some dumb reason then could one just make their own from some sort of pure capsaicin extract ether bought or made. The only question then is finding a sutible deliviry method that best fits the use case. Like a modified water gun for home defense, or a modified pressurized container like a lighter or small spray canister for really close quarters applications, or even one of those little spray bottles in a pinch for indoor applications. Can't think of anything homemade besides a squirt gun or those home cleaning spray bottles that would likely have a reliable range beyond 5 or 6 feet though. So anything with range probably isn't going to be reasonable to carry.
Just theorizing though. As far as something to actually carry I am just going to buy something that is actually purpose built for the thing I want it to do.
>>45440
The way I see it is a way to at a distance majorly impede their ability to fight or chase me as well as being a option that is "gentile" then using my hand to hand training which does have the risk of even with control causing permanent serious injury or death, all be it unlikely if I am exercising control. Since OC causes involuntary inflammatory responses on contact such as swelling up the mucous membranes in the eyes, nose and throat making it difficult to see or breath even if they are able to fight through the pain puts me at a advantage for whatever needs to happen next, be that fighting, running, or other action that may be required.
I just hope if I have to use it on a dog or other animal it is enough to end the attack, as I don't really have the training of fighting non-humans in hand to hand, or hand to teeth and claws.
>you can work around any problems (spray getting on you…
I don't like where this train of though is heading.
Something tells me I am going to end up spraying my self "just in case" for the sake of training while effected and end up not even having to use the thing.
Then again I do dumb and painful things (from a outside perspective) for the sake of training and preparation for the worst anyway so whatever.
>>45441
>I have to figure out a way to practice with them without shelling out like $20+ for a session of practice.
gel is alright, but there are many different doctrines on what type you should use, alcohol based is known to not be as effective as water based etc. you need to figure that out, as far as practice goes, you can practice with any type of sprayer, or if you want to get good at drawing and firing, get a $1 can of silly spray from a party store. there are also OC trainers that are refillable and use water (i have used these for training scenarios/ role play) but they are expensive and really not helpful unless you are using it professionally.
If you want to experience it, have a friend or family stand a safe distance away (closer to the max) close your eyes, (dont breathe) have them spray it center onto your face, wait 5 seconds, blink, wait 5 seconds, and then perform a series of complex tasks 1-2 minutes (running around cones, picking things up, fighting with foam LARP weapons etc.) total cost of the experience should be less than 20$, keep a garden hose on for when you are done, dont rub your face or you will make it worse, treat it as chemical exposure to the eyes and nose and rinse (no scrubbing) and do not do it multiple times (most LE only do it once because the OC crystals can damage eyes long term)
wear clothes you don't mind soiling
if you aren't a bitch, take a hot shower :^)
>I have to figure out a way to practice with them without shelling out like $20+ for a session of practice.
gel is alright, but there are many different doctrines on what type you should use, alcohol based is known to not be as effective as water based etc. you need to figure that out, as far as practice goes, you can practice with any type of sprayer, or if you want to get good at drawing and firing, get a $1 can of silly spray from a party store. there are also OC trainers that are refillable and use water (i have used these for training scenarios/ role play) but they are expensive and really not helpful unless you are using it professionally.
If you want to experience it, have a friend or family stand a safe distance away (closer to the max) close your eyes, (dont breathe) have them spray it center onto your face, wait 5 seconds, blink, wait 5 seconds, and then perform a series of complex tasks 1-2 minutes (running around cones, picking things up, fighting with foam LARP weapons etc.) total cost of the experience should be less than 20$, keep a garden hose on for when you are done, dont rub your face or you will make it worse, treat it as chemical exposure to the eyes and nose and rinse (no scrubbing) and do not do it multiple times (most LE only do it once because the OC crystals can damage eyes long term)
wear clothes you don't mind soiling
if you aren't a bitch, take a hot shower :^)
>>45443
That is a lot of really good information and that idea about using silly string is genus.
That is a lot of really good information and that idea about using silly string is genus.
>>45424
- Incredibly portable
- Can KO tanks with a hit on turret roof (usually 120mm only though)
- Sufficient explosive filler to collapse fighting positions and generates enough splinter for wounding equal to equivalent sized howitzer or gun rounds
- Easy to aim due to parabolic flight
- Cheap as fuck to manufacture
- up to 120mm mortars can have incredibly rapid fire rates surpassed only by ripple fired rockets.
Only disadvantages over other artillery are literally range and lack of kinetic energy to ensure penentration of treelines, urban areas and deep bunkers in the case of "tube" based artillery e.g. guns and howitzers and less payload and slow firing rate when compared to most free flight battlefield rockets, but even the lower firing rate can easily be compensated for by having a ton more tubes, which are cheap as fuck.
It's no wonder the mortar is favoured by large organized armies AND insurgents. About their only disadvantage is inability to smash in particularly well built fortifications and a range limit of about 10km. They have no other disadvantages as a HE weapon
- Incredibly portable
- Can KO tanks with a hit on turret roof (usually 120mm only though)
- Sufficient explosive filler to collapse fighting positions and generates enough splinter for wounding equal to equivalent sized howitzer or gun rounds
- Easy to aim due to parabolic flight
- Cheap as fuck to manufacture
- up to 120mm mortars can have incredibly rapid fire rates surpassed only by ripple fired rockets.
Only disadvantages over other artillery are literally range and lack of kinetic energy to ensure penentration of treelines, urban areas and deep bunkers in the case of "tube" based artillery e.g. guns and howitzers and less payload and slow firing rate when compared to most free flight battlefield rockets, but even the lower firing rate can easily be compensated for by having a ton more tubes, which are cheap as fuck.
It's no wonder the mortar is favoured by large organized armies AND insurgents. About their only disadvantage is inability to smash in particularly well built fortifications and a range limit of about 10km. They have no other disadvantages as a HE weapon
>>45485
additionally:
- can fire at targets that are relatively close but that you don't have a line of sight to (prevents you from getting shot)
- can be fired from prepared and defended positions
- can be as effective as air support but not vulnerable to things that hard counter air support (SAMs, MANPAD, etc.)
- can be (and is) integrated into a much smaller "structure" rather than calling up several rungs on the ladder (takes time, may be out of communication, may be busy prosecuting other targets) mortars tend to be "lower to the ground" you may have one attached to your unit in case you might be literally within yelling distance "HEY PHIL THERE'S SOME BAD GUYS OVER THERE!" which doesn't rely on your/the artillery's comms working etc. basically they are more reliable.
- probably don't present a hazard for anything that isn't flying low to the ground. the coordination of artillery with air support is a huge hassle because a high-lofted shell could theoretically endanger your average attack aircraft. maybe i'm wrong on this but you could maybe get away with firing mortars without any sort of check into a higher HQ. might help response time.
- easy to operate, dead simple, probably easy to service or repair. relatively short logistical tail compared to big SP howitzers.
basically, mortars are fucking great dude.
additionally:
- can fire at targets that are relatively close but that you don't have a line of sight to (prevents you from getting shot)
- can be fired from prepared and defended positions
- can be as effective as air support but not vulnerable to things that hard counter air support (SAMs, MANPAD, etc.)
- can be (and is) integrated into a much smaller "structure" rather than calling up several rungs on the ladder (takes time, may be out of communication, may be busy prosecuting other targets) mortars tend to be "lower to the ground" you may have one attached to your unit in case you might be literally within yelling distance "HEY PHIL THERE'S SOME BAD GUYS OVER THERE!" which doesn't rely on your/the artillery's comms working etc. basically they are more reliable.
- probably don't present a hazard for anything that isn't flying low to the ground. the coordination of artillery with air support is a huge hassle because a high-lofted shell could theoretically endanger your average attack aircraft. maybe i'm wrong on this but you could maybe get away with firing mortars without any sort of check into a higher HQ. might help response time.
- easy to operate, dead simple, probably easy to service or repair. relatively short logistical tail compared to big SP howitzers.
basically, mortars are fucking great dude.
How hard would it be to start from no knowledge to learn to build semiautomatic firearms?
Lets ignore cost of equipment and laws and stuff. Just wondering how hard it would be to learn and if a person of low intelligence could do it.
Lets ignore cost of equipment and laws and stuff. Just wondering how hard it would be to learn and if a person of low intelligence could do it.
>>45491
Easy-peasy to get a feasable concept on paper but requires patience when it comes to testing as everything from spring guage to the weight of internal moving parts plays a huge roll in the timing between events in the cycle of operation. I reccomend learning first about full-auto actions, especially open bolt configurations like many world war era submachine guns. Once you have a clear understanding of the simplicity of these actions, you'll see that the additional work and parts which went in to the select-fire/pistol versions of these guns is laughably simple, almost ad-hoc in some examples. Consider that the Luty SMG had semi-auto action instructions as a mere supplement at the end of the build book.
Of course firearms designed for semi-auto operation from the ground up will have had more room for advanced engineering, but the concept remains the same throughout almost all small arms.
Easy-peasy to get a feasable concept on paper but requires patience when it comes to testing as everything from spring guage to the weight of internal moving parts plays a huge roll in the timing between events in the cycle of operation. I reccomend learning first about full-auto actions, especially open bolt configurations like many world war era submachine guns. Once you have a clear understanding of the simplicity of these actions, you'll see that the additional work and parts which went in to the select-fire/pistol versions of these guns is laughably simple, almost ad-hoc in some examples. Consider that the Luty SMG had semi-auto action instructions as a mere supplement at the end of the build book.
Of course firearms designed for semi-auto operation from the ground up will have had more room for advanced engineering, but the concept remains the same throughout almost all small arms.
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>>45491
if you want an AR-15, that would probably be the easiest to start off with. If you want to do machining, 80% lower receivers are about $30 and dont require serial numbers (unless you are in california) and can be milled out with a router ($100 tool) and a jig ($100 device) if you want to start from scratch. there are no background checks, but you may never sell or give away a weapon made in that fashion. All the other parts can be bought as a kit or individually for $300+ and assemble like legos.if you buy a receiver (background check unless private sale) you are looking at a $30-100 part that reqires no work, just insert the parts according to the instructions, torque the barrel after greasing it, put the hand guards on and done (an AR-15 can be built from a pile of parts in 30 minutes assuming the lower is milled out/stripped)
other types of semi auto guns like GLOCK can also be made from 80% parts, but are a little more complex and pricey.
getting into AKs, H&K rifles and Galils will require more complex fitting and finishing including cutting down barrels and potentially welding or riveting parts.
Open bolt guns (like the UZI) are simple, but legally problematic (in the USA) but you an buy kits for those too.
starting from a bunch of materials, you can make a gun in about a month of work from scratch if you have the plans/jig like some philipino or pakistani arms manufacturers. they are mostly replicating designs though, and the safety is poor in some cases.
if you have a lot of technical knowledge, read hatchers notebook (written by a general who loved and devoted a good amount of his life to guns) and he explains design principles of semiautomatic firearms. designing and building from the ground up is significantly more difficult and expensive but doable (there are a number of books written by rebel leaders and anarchist gun builders and tinkerers on the subject).
if you want an AR-15, that would probably be the easiest to start off with. If you want to do machining, 80% lower receivers are about $30 and dont require serial numbers (unless you are in california) and can be milled out with a router ($100 tool) and a jig ($100 device) if you want to start from scratch. there are no background checks, but you may never sell or give away a weapon made in that fashion. All the other parts can be bought as a kit or individually for $300+ and assemble like legos.if you buy a receiver (background check unless private sale) you are looking at a $30-100 part that reqires no work, just insert the parts according to the instructions, torque the barrel after greasing it, put the hand guards on and done (an AR-15 can be built from a pile of parts in 30 minutes assuming the lower is milled out/stripped)
other types of semi auto guns like GLOCK can also be made from 80% parts, but are a little more complex and pricey.
getting into AKs, H&K rifles and Galils will require more complex fitting and finishing including cutting down barrels and potentially welding or riveting parts.
Open bolt guns (like the UZI) are simple, but legally problematic (in the USA) but you an buy kits for those too.
starting from a bunch of materials, you can make a gun in about a month of work from scratch if you have the plans/jig like some philipino or pakistani arms manufacturers. they are mostly replicating designs though, and the safety is poor in some cases.
if you have a lot of technical knowledge, read hatchers notebook (written by a general who loved and devoted a good amount of his life to guns) and he explains design principles of semiautomatic firearms. designing and building from the ground up is significantly more difficult and expensive but doable (there are a number of books written by rebel leaders and anarchist gun builders and tinkerers on the subject).
This talk of homemade weapons kind of makes me wish I could take up recreational machining or something. But I don't have the space to build a shop, and would probably barely use it, so realistically I won't, but it is nice to think about.
>>45510
you can build AR15s in your lap without any machinery, and even with a jig and router, a kitchen counter will do for a workspace (for god sake, please at least pay the $60 for a set of head space gauges so you dont blow your face off)
drill presses take up at most 2x2 foot (about half a meter)space, and you can also get portable folding work benches if you really need to put a vice somewhere, welding equipment takes up about as much room as a computer setup (tower and screen)and if you need them, hydraulic presses range in size, but sometimes you can rivet things with a hammer with practice or use a rivet gun.
a lathe is the only really complex and large piece of equipment (which also costs around $1000 but many guns do not require that if you just buy barrels pre cut
you can build AR15s in your lap without any machinery, and even with a jig and router, a kitchen counter will do for a workspace (for god sake, please at least pay the $60 for a set of head space gauges so you dont blow your face off)
drill presses take up at most 2x2 foot (about half a meter)space, and you can also get portable folding work benches if you really need to put a vice somewhere, welding equipment takes up about as much room as a computer setup (tower and screen)and if you need them, hydraulic presses range in size, but sometimes you can rivet things with a hammer with practice or use a rivet gun.
a lathe is the only really complex and large piece of equipment (which also costs around $1000 but many guns do not require that if you just buy barrels pre cut
>>45511
Dude, I live in what is basically the size of a storage closet to save money.
All that stuff still takes up way too much space. When I say I don't have the space I actually mean it.
Dude, I live in what is basically the size of a storage closet to save money.
All that stuff still takes up way too much space. When I say I don't have the space I actually mean it.
Now that I think about it where yhe fuck do you even get a big block of metal (aluminum or steel) to try and mill anyway?
It is not like they sell stuff like that at the hardware store.
It is not like they sell stuff like that at the hardware store.
>>45536
That is a bit like saying to someone interested in recreation knife making that they may aswell buy a knife because it would be easier and cheaper that way.
You do know you are on /hob/ right?
That is a bit like saying to someone interested in recreation knife making that they may aswell buy a knife because it would be easier and cheaper that way.
You do know you are on /hob/ right?
>>45535
You got 3 options. Buy online from a supplier .
It will be expensive but they are pretty consistent and it is easy to find.
Next is hunting down ether a local supplier or online deals on eBay. It is harder to find what you are looking for and requires luck but you will pay far less.
Last option is so Smurf up scrap metal until you got enough to work with then melt it down and cast blanks in the size you need. This is the most labor intensive, takes the longest unless you are lucky, and has the most ways for things to go wrong, but it is the cheapest and you will learn the most.
You got 3 options. Buy online from a supplier .
It will be expensive but they are pretty consistent and it is easy to find.
Next is hunting down ether a local supplier or online deals on eBay. It is harder to find what you are looking for and requires luck but you will pay far less.
Last option is so Smurf up scrap metal until you got enough to work with then melt it down and cast blanks in the size you need. This is the most labor intensive, takes the longest unless you are lucky, and has the most ways for things to go wrong, but it is the cheapest and you will learn the most.
>>45538
That's a poor comparison anon, because you can make a knife with just $10 in materials (>>>/hob/44125), using common household tools and a single ebook on the subject. Replicating an uzi let alone a fancy german battle rifle is a process that takes probably at least 100x the investment, not the least of which being the money.
It's a problem of feasibility.
That's a poor comparison anon, because you can make a knife with just $10 in materials (>>>/hob/44125), using common household tools and a single ebook on the subject. Replicating an uzi let alone a fancy german battle rifle is a process that takes probably at least 100x the investment, not the least of which being the money.
It's a problem of feasibility.
>>45535
Unless you are already a good machinist you don't usually start with a block of metal. You get what is called a 80%" lower resever and do the relatively easy parts of to finish that lower then attach off the shelf gun parts until you have a fully functional gun.
Unless you are already a good machinist you don't usually start with a block of metal. You get what is called a 80%" lower resever and do the relatively easy parts of to finish that lower then attach off the shelf gun parts until you have a fully functional gun.
>>45542
except in much of europ the barrel and upper/bolt are considered the controlled item
except in much of europ the barrel and upper/bolt are considered the controlled item
I think I may be the only one who likes guns but doesn't like the AR platform at all.
Of all the kits and gun building being talked about, personally if I went through the effort and put down the money to do so the last thing I would want to make is a AR.
Though if I get some spare cash making a Sig p320 looks pretty cool project.
I also am tempted to make a fully pimped out 10/22 with custom everything starting from a 80% virgin "lower" that I drilled out myself on my drill press (that is currently collecting dust because I almost never used the thing).
Make sure it has rails, a fluted bull barrel, match grade trigger group, polymer stock, the works. Probably will end up spending $500-$800 on the thing but it would be the ultimate fun gun to plink or take the the range.
Of all the kits and gun building being talked about, personally if I went through the effort and put down the money to do so the last thing I would want to make is a AR.
Though if I get some spare cash making a Sig p320 looks pretty cool project.
I also am tempted to make a fully pimped out 10/22 with custom everything starting from a 80% virgin "lower" that I drilled out myself on my drill press (that is currently collecting dust because I almost never used the thing).
Make sure it has rails, a fluted bull barrel, match grade trigger group, polymer stock, the works. Probably will end up spending $500-$800 on the thing but it would be the ultimate fun gun to plink or take the the range.
>>45581
Oh, I just though about it, also would probably add a upgraded slide release (tried it once, was nice) and add a longer mag release. Have the "lower", and trigger group be anodized some nice color and have all the fixtures something that contrast nicely (I am thinking blue for main with black accents, and a black stock and barrel, but black everything with red accents would look really good too) and how about a folding stock to make it even more convenient to take out to shoot.
Don't know what kind of optics I would want to go with it though.
Oh, I just though about it, also would probably add a upgraded slide release (tried it once, was nice) and add a longer mag release. Have the "lower", and trigger group be anodized some nice color and have all the fixtures something that contrast nicely (I am thinking blue for main with black accents, and a black stock and barrel, but black everything with red accents would look really good too) and how about a folding stock to make it even more convenient to take out to shoot.
Don't know what kind of optics I would want to go with it though.
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I had no idea kimber makes revolvers now. I wonder if those are as shitty as their pistols.
Btw, is it just me or are handguns in general more futuristic looking every year? I hate that whole aesthetic. They need to roll that shit back. Way back. It's like they're only interested in selling to mall ninjas and anime club kids.
Btw, is it just me or are handguns in general more futuristic looking every year? I hate that whole aesthetic. They need to roll that shit back. Way back. It's like they're only interested in selling to mall ninjas and anime club kids.
>>45677
I think it is more that you are only noticing the weird futuristic ones.
Most new handguns each year look pretty standard or are very minor variations of models that came before. They tend not to really stand out in memory for most people.
I think it is more that you are only noticing the weird futuristic ones.
Most new handguns each year look pretty standard or are very minor variations of models that came before. They tend not to really stand out in memory for most people.
>>45678
A good number of advertisers are trying to make plastic a big portion of their sales
>less weight
>more customization (per cost)
>krazy kolors
>drop in trigger groups to make custom guns
>lower production cost (especially with injection molding etc.)
I do prefer metal guns, but they have their own drawbacks too.
I cant wait for the mateba to come back, once the manufacturer ramps up production and importers catch on to the demand (considering a new one is almost as expensive as an original)
It is funny that every few years a new gun comes out that looks like it was straight out of some cyberpunk fan art, perhaps function is fitting into the form of sci-fi
A good number of advertisers are trying to make plastic a big portion of their sales
>less weight
>more customization (per cost)
>krazy kolors
>drop in trigger groups to make custom guns
>lower production cost (especially with injection molding etc.)
I do prefer metal guns, but they have their own drawbacks too.
I cant wait for the mateba to come back, once the manufacturer ramps up production and importers catch on to the demand (considering a new one is almost as expensive as an original)
It is funny that every few years a new gun comes out that looks like it was straight out of some cyberpunk fan art, perhaps function is fitting into the form of sci-fi
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Homemade smg from improguns blog.
>>45717
That looks like something I could crank out in a week. What models of barrel and magazine were used?
That looks like something I could crank out in a week. What models of barrel and magazine were used?
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Been reading about various knifes used by paratroopers when I came across these bad boys.
How have I never seen one before?
They are used mainly by Argentinian paratroopers. Very cool.
How have I never seen one before?
They are used mainly by Argentinian paratroopers. Very cool.
>>45759
really dig those knuckleduster parts but it's strange how thick the crossguards above them are, just compare them to the normal specimen on the far left, those are extremely thick guards
it's like a kid designed them
really dig those knuckleduster parts but it's strange how thick the crossguards above them are, just compare them to the normal specimen on the far left, those are extremely thick guards
it's like a kid designed them
>>45760
I can't read the language so it is hard for me to research why over time they kept making the cross guard thicker.
But it is something common to all but the very earliest examples that I could find. Meaning that it is fully intentional.
I can't read the language so it is hard for me to research why over time they kept making the cross guard thicker.
But it is something common to all but the very earliest examples that I could find. Meaning that it is fully intentional.
I am getting really fed up with the lack of practical testing of so called self defense products, especially in reviews that more or less just unboxings yet somehow are 10 minutes long to get that ad money.
For example, there are all these knuckles and rings. I look at them and my first question is if I or someone else used them to actually hit someone/something would you likely damage your own hand. None of the reviews answer such a question, and 99% don't test the product at all.
Or another example. Some flashlight or whatever is sold as a impact weapon, so my first question is what is the durability like when used to hit things full force like you would in a self defense situation. Which isn't answered anywhere.
and so on.
There just isn't enough good, practical information out there for people to make informed choices when buying these products for actual self defense reasons.
Like I have used and tested pocket sticks/kubotans to know just from a glance which ones work and which ones were made by idiots that don't know what the fuck they are doing (which is more common with some of the "tactical" pen designs). Something which I can relay directly to people I talked to on the subject so they know what to look for and what to avoid if they want to buy such products, but every year I see new stupid models that make the same mistakes over and over again. Like how do you fuck up a fucking little stick this badly, over and over again?
I am just pissed about it yet not sure what to do about it.
For example, there are all these knuckles and rings. I look at them and my first question is if I or someone else used them to actually hit someone/something would you likely damage your own hand. None of the reviews answer such a question, and 99% don't test the product at all.
Or another example. Some flashlight or whatever is sold as a impact weapon, so my first question is what is the durability like when used to hit things full force like you would in a self defense situation. Which isn't answered anywhere.
and so on.
There just isn't enough good, practical information out there for people to make informed choices when buying these products for actual self defense reasons.
Like I have used and tested pocket sticks/kubotans to know just from a glance which ones work and which ones were made by idiots that don't know what the fuck they are doing (which is more common with some of the "tactical" pen designs). Something which I can relay directly to people I talked to on the subject so they know what to look for and what to avoid if they want to buy such products, but every year I see new stupid models that make the same mistakes over and over again. Like how do you fuck up a fucking little stick this badly, over and over again?
I am just pissed about it yet not sure what to do about it.
>>45763
>dislikes the shit reviews of SD weapons on the market
>Putting more SD weapons on the market will solve the problem
>dislikes the shit reviews of SD weapons on the market
>Putting more SD weapons on the market will solve the problem
>>45764
>Putting more SD weapons on the market
where did I say anything about starting a business dumbass? "make your own weapons" just means make your own weapons
>Putting more SD weapons on the market
where did I say anything about starting a business dumbass? "make your own weapons" just means make your own weapons
>>45765
When did I say I couldn't find weapons that I wanted dumbass.
The problem isn't that I can't get what I want. The problem is that the reviews suck for the things I don't have.
Besides making shit is in no way practical or related to anything I said or complained about. So take your shitty reading comprehension somewhere else with that bullshit.
Calling me a dumbass but can't read. It takes a special kind of stupid to pull that stunt.
When did I say I couldn't find weapons that I wanted dumbass.
The problem isn't that I can't get what I want. The problem is that the reviews suck for the things I don't have.
Besides making shit is in no way practical or related to anything I said or complained about. So take your shitty reading comprehension somewhere else with that bullshit.
Calling me a dumbass but can't read. It takes a special kind of stupid to pull that stunt.
>>45766
>The problem isn't that I can't get what I want. The problem is that the reviews suck for the things I don't have.
The problem is you don't have any understanding of material science in order to make those determinations on your own based on the specs.
>Besides making shit is in no way practical
It's not impractical, you just never tried to learn how. So enjoy being at the mercy of questionable factory goods and bad reviews. It's no one's fault but your own.
>The problem isn't that I can't get what I want. The problem is that the reviews suck for the things I don't have.
The problem is you don't have any understanding of material science in order to make those determinations on your own based on the specs.
>Besides making shit is in no way practical
It's not impractical, you just never tried to learn how. So enjoy being at the mercy of questionable factory goods and bad reviews. It's no one's fault but your own.
>>45767
because spending over $100000 dollars on equipment to produce one object of worst quality then what is commercially available is so much more practical then buying a $10 dollar item.
Fuck off.
because spending over $100000 dollars on equipment to produce one object of worst quality then what is commercially available is so much more practical then buying a $10 dollar item.
Fuck off.
>>45768
With $10 and dad's tools you could make a high quality "tactical" pen or flashlight or knife, if you weren't so lazy.
With $10 and dad's tools you could make a high quality "tactical" pen or flashlight or knife, if you weren't so lazy.
>>45772
So your dad is a milionare with a full machine shop, cnc machine, electrons lab, injection molding machines and the machines used to make the molds, foundry, and a place to store all that stuff?
Well not all of use have wealthy family members with a full R&D lab at their disposal.
Again, fuck off with your stupid bullshit.
So your dad is a milionare with a full machine shop, cnc machine, electrons lab, injection molding machines and the machines used to make the molds, foundry, and a place to store all that stuff?
Well not all of use have wealthy family members with a full R&D lab at their disposal.
Again, fuck off with your stupid bullshit.
>>45773
you seriously think it takes all that shit to make a pen or a flashlight?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
No.
you seriously think it takes all that shit to make a pen or a flashlight?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
No.
>>45780
Lets try to break it down for a dummy
Think about what you would need to make a bat shaped hollow cylinder out of ether stainless steel or aluminum with threaded end caps on each side.
Well for that at the very least requires a good lathe.
Oh how much does one of those cost.
$10000-$20000
And that is just making a single part of one object. There is also making the custom impact resistant lenses, the electronic components and custom housings that fit within the bat, a impact resistant impact momentary delay switch, and then making sure all the internals are reinforced and durable to survive impact.
Each of those parts and steps requires a very high priced tool.
And again that is just one complex object.
Oh and you are going to need a place to put all that shit since it is unlikely you just happen to have space for all this equipment so add to all the tool cost also the cost of renting or building a workshop.
In other words you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Lets try to break it down for a dummy
Think about what you would need to make a bat shaped hollow cylinder out of ether stainless steel or aluminum with threaded end caps on each side.
Well for that at the very least requires a good lathe.
Oh how much does one of those cost.
$10000-$20000
And that is just making a single part of one object. There is also making the custom impact resistant lenses, the electronic components and custom housings that fit within the bat, a impact resistant impact momentary delay switch, and then making sure all the internals are reinforced and durable to survive impact.
Each of those parts and steps requires a very high priced tool.
And again that is just one complex object.
Oh and you are going to need a place to put all that shit since it is unlikely you just happen to have space for all this equipment so add to all the tool cost also the cost of renting or building a workshop.
In other words you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
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>>45762
>bic pens
best hand to hand weapon
>concealable
>has other uses
>extremely rigid plastic body
>cost 10 cents, so loosing one is no big deal
>can make friends with it (since not everyone carries a pen)
>can be used as an emergency medical device in several ways
>fun to take apart and put back together if you have the autism
>bic pens
best hand to hand weapon
>concealable
>has other uses
>extremely rigid plastic body
>cost 10 cents, so loosing one is no big deal
>can make friends with it (since not everyone carries a pen)
>can be used as an emergency medical device in several ways
>fun to take apart and put back together if you have the autism
>>45781
>a bat shaped hollow cylinder out of ether stainless steel or aluminum
are you trying to say pipe? yeah you won't find stainless pipes that are thick enough, and aluminum pipe cracks when you hit things, try it
just get a carbon steel pipe, and use some shiny spray paint if you can't figure out how to polish metal with sand paper
>with threaded end caps
caps are easy to make, but why threaded? what makes you just assume that a cap needs to be threaded?
>Well for that at the very least requires a good lathe.
I think I'd just drill a hole on each side of headspaced cap + pipe and insert a couple short screws. It's a lot stronger and there's no threads to accidentally dent.
>Oh how much does one of those cost. $10000-$20000
cost of screws: 10 cents
>There is also making the custom impact resistant lenses
yeah, it's real hard to saw off and file a piece of friggin plexiglass
>the electronic components
*buys $3 bulb and booster circuit from china*
>custom housings
plain old ABS plastic, a hacksaw, a soldering iron and an afternoon alone
>a impact resistant impact momentary delay switch
not sure wtf that's supposed to mean, but every hardware store has big switches for cheap or you could, you know, just salvage one off a broken appliance or big flashlight
>making sure all the internals are reinforced
foam or bubblewrap
>Each of those parts and steps requires a very high priced tool.
no just the very cheap tools found in your average household
>Oh and you are going to need a place to put all that shit since it is unlikely you just happen to have space for all this equipment
you're right……
know where I can find a small cardboard box??
>In other words you don't know what the fuck you are talking
about.
yeah I've just been DIYing on the cheap for years, what the fuck would I know
>a bat shaped hollow cylinder out of ether stainless steel or aluminum
are you trying to say pipe? yeah you won't find stainless pipes that are thick enough, and aluminum pipe cracks when you hit things, try it
just get a carbon steel pipe, and use some shiny spray paint if you can't figure out how to polish metal with sand paper
>with threaded end caps
caps are easy to make, but why threaded? what makes you just assume that a cap needs to be threaded?
>Well for that at the very least requires a good lathe.
I think I'd just drill a hole on each side of headspaced cap + pipe and insert a couple short screws. It's a lot stronger and there's no threads to accidentally dent.
>Oh how much does one of those cost. $10000-$20000
cost of screws: 10 cents
>There is also making the custom impact resistant lenses
yeah, it's real hard to saw off and file a piece of friggin plexiglass
>the electronic components
*buys $3 bulb and booster circuit from china*
>custom housings
plain old ABS plastic, a hacksaw, a soldering iron and an afternoon alone
>a impact resistant impact momentary delay switch
not sure wtf that's supposed to mean, but every hardware store has big switches for cheap or you could, you know, just salvage one off a broken appliance or big flashlight
>making sure all the internals are reinforced
foam or bubblewrap
>Each of those parts and steps requires a very high priced tool.
no just the very cheap tools found in your average household
>Oh and you are going to need a place to put all that shit since it is unlikely you just happen to have space for all this equipment
you're right……
know where I can find a small cardboard box??
>In other words you don't know what the fuck you are talking
about.
yeah I've just been DIYing on the cheap for years, what the fuck would I know
>>43328
One thing to note, It uses a similar pattern magazine to many other handguns (Ruger P-series, Browning HP, CZ magazines and S&W semi automatics). With a little machining you can modify the magazines to fit into your gun.
One thing to note, It uses a similar pattern magazine to many other handguns (Ruger P-series, Browning HP, CZ magazines and S&W semi automatics). With a little machining you can modify the magazines to fit into your gun.
>>45784
You know how to make total junk that is no where near acceptable quality while a fuck load of time because you are to stupid or poor to spend $10.
What you are describing is a total piece of shit which is a reflection of your state of mind.
And yeah, you still don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
You know how to make total junk that is no where near acceptable quality while a fuck load of time because you are to stupid or poor to spend $10.
What you are describing is a total piece of shit which is a reflection of your state of mind.
And yeah, you still don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
>>45786
Using a nigger-rigged mag on a carry gun in the hope of saving a few cents seems like a really stupid gamble for no good reason.
It is not like dude would just so happen to have those mags laying around since that is his first carry gun. And if he bought it new then he already has two mags for the thing.
This is just bad advice if you ask me.
Using a nigger-rigged mag on a carry gun in the hope of saving a few cents seems like a really stupid gamble for no good reason.
It is not like dude would just so happen to have those mags laying around since that is his first carry gun. And if he bought it new then he already has two mags for the thing.
This is just bad advice if you ask me.
>>45790
It is when you consider the dimensions you'd be using for a flashlight lens, the angle + force of impact it would encounter as a man bludgeon, and the fact it'd be encased in fairly thick steel which further lessen the impact.
The fact is, you would never break the plexiglass lens in question.
I mean, we're not talking about hitting WINDOW PANE size sheets head-on with a sledgehammer here (a sledgehammer). Your post was a waste of time. You don't have a point.
I own a dremel and a pile of scrap outside. I'm almost tempted to make my own SD flashlight this week and video record it getting smashed around just to shut you down, I'm so sick of you arrogant know nothings. I always regretted starting this thread. I knew it would devolve into this ignorant shit. At least it's at end now.
There shall not be another one.
It is when you consider the dimensions you'd be using for a flashlight lens, the angle + force of impact it would encounter as a man bludgeon, and the fact it'd be encased in fairly thick steel which further lessen the impact.
The fact is, you would never break the plexiglass lens in question.
I mean, we're not talking about hitting WINDOW PANE size sheets head-on with a sledgehammer here (a sledgehammer). Your post was a waste of time. You don't have a point.
I own a dremel and a pile of scrap outside. I'm almost tempted to make my own SD flashlight this week and video record it getting smashed around just to shut you down, I'm so sick of you arrogant know nothings. I always regretted starting this thread. I knew it would devolve into this ignorant shit. At least it's at end now.
There shall not be another one.
>>45792
The reason the thread keeps devolving is exlusively due to you being a massive jackass that thinks he knows everything while being demonstrably wrong.
If you didn't act like a cunt this thread would actually be pretty civil but you simply can't help yourself. Seriously, when you leave and other people conversation everything goes smoothly. That is because the only problem is you.
Not the subject. Not the board. Not the site. It is you.
And on the plexiglass thing is easily scratches, scars, and cracks which quickly degrades the optical qualities. Also because is warps under even mild heat so only low powered cool running bulbs can be used. So by using the wrong materials you already have to settle for worse quality in other components.
And it is it still as a material it isn't impact resistant at all. You are just assuming that it won't be impacted by your own logic, not that it is impact resistant. So even you realize that it isn't impact resistant.
Oh and fun fact, just because you OP a thread doen't mean that you actually own the whole thread, and if people other then you are intrested in the topic they will start a thread on the topic without having to deal you. You probably came here after getting bullied off /k/ for being a foolish jackass. Well just because we are better then shitchan doesn't mean that anyone here still wants to deal with a foolish jackass.
You are both ignorant and arrogant which is probably the worst combination of things a person can be.
The reason the thread keeps devolving is exlusively due to you being a massive jackass that thinks he knows everything while being demonstrably wrong.
If you didn't act like a cunt this thread would actually be pretty civil but you simply can't help yourself. Seriously, when you leave and other people conversation everything goes smoothly. That is because the only problem is you.
Not the subject. Not the board. Not the site. It is you.
And on the plexiglass thing is easily scratches, scars, and cracks which quickly degrades the optical qualities. Also because is warps under even mild heat so only low powered cool running bulbs can be used. So by using the wrong materials you already have to settle for worse quality in other components.
And it is it still as a material it isn't impact resistant at all. You are just assuming that it won't be impacted by your own logic, not that it is impact resistant. So even you realize that it isn't impact resistant.
Oh and fun fact, just because you OP a thread doen't mean that you actually own the whole thread, and if people other then you are intrested in the topic they will start a thread on the topic without having to deal you. You probably came here after getting bullied off /k/ for being a foolish jackass. Well just because we are better then shitchan doesn't mean that anyone here still wants to deal with a foolish jackass.
You are both ignorant and arrogant which is probably the worst combination of things a person can be.
>>45793
>jackass
Oh, I remember you.
Still getting angry when people challenge your wildly ignorant statements I see.
>it easily scratches, scars
And you think that lexar shit doesn't? You can have the hardness of glass or you can have the durability of synthetics. You can't have both.
>cracks
Er, no it doesn't. Go hammer a lens sized piece right now you dumbass and see for yourself.
>warps under even mild heat
Try high heat. Well over 100 degrees.
>low powered cool running bulbs can be used
Well jesus. How many lumens do you really want anyway in something you only care about killing people with???
>So by using the wrong materials
t.thinks aluminum is bludgeon material
>And it is it still as a material it isn't impact resistant at all. You are just assuming that it won't be impacted by your own logic, not that it is impact resistant. So even you realize that it isn't impact resistant.
………………………….
I'm honestly not even trying to be funny here.
The only way I can make sense of that paragraph is that it's legalization day in canada.
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>just because you OP a thread doen't mean that you actually own the whole thread
Actually, it sorta does mean that.
Now get out and stay out.
>jackass
Oh, I remember you.
Still getting angry when people challenge your wildly ignorant statements I see.
>it easily scratches, scars
And you think that lexar shit doesn't? You can have the hardness of glass or you can have the durability of synthetics. You can't have both.
>cracks
Er, no it doesn't. Go hammer a lens sized piece right now you dumbass and see for yourself.
>warps under even mild heat
Try high heat. Well over 100 degrees.
>low powered cool running bulbs can be used
Well jesus. How many lumens do you really want anyway in something you only care about killing people with???
>So by using the wrong materials
t.thinks aluminum is bludgeon material
>And it is it still as a material it isn't impact resistant at all. You are just assuming that it won't be impacted by your own logic, not that it is impact resistant. So even you realize that it isn't impact resistant.
………………………….
I'm honestly not even trying to be funny here.
The only way I can make sense of that paragraph is that it's legalization day in canada.
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>just because you OP a thread doen't mean that you actually own the whole thread
Actually, it sorta does mean that.
Now get out and stay out.
>>45793
This. This guy is literally the biggest faggot on wizchan. He is extremely stupid but also an intellectual narcissist, in other words, he gets his sense of self esteem from his feeling of intellectual superiority to other people. It is a horrible combination. He writes long autistic replies to every couple words you don't write mistaking verbosity for strength of argument all the while making completely retarded arguments and being wrong about everything. If you explain why he is wrong, he gets defensive because his fragile little ego cannot accept that his massive brain could be wrong about anything so he just writes even more words doubling down no matter how fucking retarded what he's writing is and then he declares victory. Honestly this stupid faggot is literally the worst poster on the entire site by far.
This. This guy is literally the biggest faggot on wizchan. He is extremely stupid but also an intellectual narcissist, in other words, he gets his sense of self esteem from his feeling of intellectual superiority to other people. It is a horrible combination. He writes long autistic replies to every couple words you don't write mistaking verbosity for strength of argument all the while making completely retarded arguments and being wrong about everything. If you explain why he is wrong, he gets defensive because his fragile little ego cannot accept that his massive brain could be wrong about anything so he just writes even more words doubling down no matter how fucking retarded what he's writing is and then he declares victory. Honestly this stupid faggot is literally the worst poster on the entire site by far.
>>45794
With every post you only further demonstrate your ignorance and arrogance.
> Er, no it doesn't. Go hammer a lens sized piece right now you dumbass and see for yourself.
What you didn't expect is that I actually have some plexiglass on hand right now.
Guess what happened when I hammered on a 2X2 2mm think square.
It broke after cracks formed around the edges on the 3rd impact.
So yeah. Still don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
With every post you only further demonstrate your ignorance and arrogance.
> Er, no it doesn't. Go hammer a lens sized piece right now you dumbass and see for yourself.
What you didn't expect is that I actually have some plexiglass on hand right now.
Guess what happened when I hammered on a 2X2 2mm think square.
It broke after cracks formed around the edges on the 3rd impact.
So yeah. Still don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
>>45800
you are ether a samefag or you are violating rule 5 by being disruptive and inflammatory in a way unrelated to the topic of the thread.
So which is it?
you are ether a samefag or you are violating rule 5 by being disruptive and inflammatory in a way unrelated to the topic of the thread.
So which is it?
>>45802
>impying I am some normie with cameras just laying around
I already posted a video demonstrating the breakablility of plexiglass.
You have posted nothing but your ill-informed opinions with literally nothing to back them up
I have actually preformed practical experiment, one that you can repeat for your self. You have not.
Here, have another video, pay attention to what happens to the acrylic sheet.
>impying I am some normie with cameras just laying around
I already posted a video demonstrating the breakablility of plexiglass.
You have posted nothing but your ill-informed opinions with literally nothing to back them up
I have actually preformed practical experiment, one that you can repeat for your self. You have not.
Here, have another video, pay attention to what happens to the acrylic sheet.
>>45806
>I am a retard that didn't actually watch the video and has no idea what the fuck I am talking about
>I am a retard that didn't actually watch the video and has no idea what the fuck I am talking about
>>45806
they make window puncture devices on the back ends of flashlights, they work pretty well on most types of glass up to and including some plexi glass (of course not ballistic rated glass)
they make window puncture devices on the back ends of flashlights, they work pretty well on most types of glass up to and including some plexi glass (of course not ballistic rated glass)
>be 18 in MO, USA
>have machete and 3 daggers 1' long
>own 1 proper sword where actual blade length is 1' 6"
>has no fucking clue about local weapon laws
>have machete and 3 daggers 1' long
>own 1 proper sword where actual blade length is 1' 6"
>has no fucking clue about local weapon laws
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