Since a buch of crack heads (or the national guard) stole the internet wires of my street, the only thing i do is read. Im reading the postman of david brin. Is not bad, is actually good. But some part of the "dar age feminins" is just cringeful
I like how this guy writes most of the time, but sometimes, the characters are a litle childish
>>43110
Shallan only really annoys me when she tries to be "witty" and her character arc seems to be pointing her away from doing that. I'd say Lift is worse but they only had one chapter in WoR from what I read of Stormlight. Haven't read Edgedancer and Oathbringer yet.
Shallan only really annoys me when she tries to be "witty" and her character arc seems to be pointing her away from doing that. I'd say Lift is worse but they only had one chapter in WoR from what I read of Stormlight. Haven't read Edgedancer and Oathbringer yet.
I don't plan to read the books, but I've been enjoying these Lovecraft lore vids.
I read Call of Cthulu over 10 years ago now. I remember 1st being inspired by it from Billy and Mandy
I read Call of Cthulu over 10 years ago now. I remember 1st being inspired by it from Billy and Mandy
I can't believe Lovecraft's Christian friend tried to add in a bunch of good guy Tolkien-style Gods that battle the evil Outer Gods. That really misses the whole point of the Lovecraft universe.
You can't just assemble a Justice League or Autobots Superfriends to battle the uncaring meaningless universe.
You can't just assemble a Justice League or Autobots Superfriends to battle the uncaring meaningless universe.
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Highly recommend The Book of the New Sun tetralogy by Gene Wolfe, if you can get through the admittedly slow first part there's a reward of an engrossing distant future sci-fi fantasy tale. Protagonist is not wizardly so if that is wbat you require of one it's not for you, but if you're out of that stage and can enjoy something for more than or in spite of such things the books are worth a read,
>>43264
I dropped it at the end of the first book. I really loved the beginning, but I got so upset reading the parts with agia. Someday I'd like to go back and read the entirety of it.
I dropped it at the end of the first book. I really loved the beginning, but I got so upset reading the parts with agia. Someday I'd like to go back and read the entirety of it.
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>>43270
Agia is indeed the poster-child for a vile succubus, but a unique engrossing odyssey awaits if you pick it up and get past some of her early bullshit. Worth the reward. I encourage it.
Agia is indeed the poster-child for a vile succubus, but a unique engrossing odyssey awaits if you pick it up and get past some of her early bullshit. Worth the reward. I encourage it.
>>43264
I read the first book and thought it was alright. Will reread it again soon when I have the time to go through all four books. Good to refresh my memory and pick up on things I didn't notice the first time around.
I read the first book and thought it was alright. Will reread it again soon when I have the time to go through all four books. Good to refresh my memory and pick up on things I didn't notice the first time around.
>>43260
Well august derleht dont knows how to write but, thats because of him and other lovecraft friend he is know today
Well august derleht dont knows how to write but, thats because of him and other lovecraft friend he is know today
>>43112
That part of the book when she fools a dangerous group of assasins. That was simply stupid. But you are right about lift. "can i eat your food"
That part of the book when she fools a dangerous group of assasins. That was simply stupid. But you are right about lift. "can i eat your food"
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>>43564
I enjoyed the first two books more than the latter two because of the characters they focus on. The first is most enjoyable because of the mysterious elements and how the plot there is just to frame the stories the characters tell. If you enjoy the overall plot go ahead and read Endymion and Rise of Endymion. Otherwise drop it after Fall of Hyperion.
I enjoyed the first two books more than the latter two because of the characters they focus on. The first is most enjoyable because of the mysterious elements and how the plot there is just to frame the stories the characters tell. If you enjoy the overall plot go ahead and read Endymion and Rise of Endymion. Otherwise drop it after Fall of Hyperion.
>>43617
Are the other books of the author enjoyable. I tried to read carrion comfort, but i found it boring
Are the other books of the author enjoyable. I tried to read carrion comfort, but i found it boring
The stories of Cordwainer smith are awesome. The Crime and the Glory of Commander Suzdal must be the most anti tublr thing i ever read
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>>43177
Because Lovecraft published his writing in magazines he rarely wrote at book length, aside from the longish stories At the Mountains of Madness and The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath. His main works being so short actually makes them very accessible.
http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts
>>43260
For better or worse, various authors wrote things they thought would fit in Lovecraft's Mythos. The only lasting harm is that stories with disparate themes get published together just because they were correspondences of HPL. Derleth's shenanigans are nothing compared to what modern authors (and anime studios) do with their ironic homages and parodies.
Because Lovecraft published his writing in magazines he rarely wrote at book length, aside from the longish stories At the Mountains of Madness and The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath. His main works being so short actually makes them very accessible.
http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts
>>43260
For better or worse, various authors wrote things they thought would fit in Lovecraft's Mythos. The only lasting harm is that stories with disparate themes get published together just because they were correspondences of HPL. Derleth's shenanigans are nothing compared to what modern authors (and anime studios) do with their ironic homages and parodies.
I've been on another Lovecraft binge lately and sadly I'm running low on material. Can anyone recommend similarly wizardly authors in the genre? It's the weirdness more than the horror aspect that appeals to me.
>>44176
Thanks, both of them look great. I settled for Robert E. Howard's Conan stories, which have been pretty damn entertaining if not wizardly, plus they have actual wizards and a clear Lovecraft influence.
Thanks, both of them look great. I settled for Robert E. Howard's Conan stories, which have been pretty damn entertaining if not wizardly, plus they have actual wizards and a clear Lovecraft influence.
>>44187
>a clear Lovecraft influence
Robert E Howard and HP Lovecraft were friends. It's not really accurate to say that one necessarily inspired the other, since they were both part of the same writer's circle that exchanged ideas through the mail. It's more like they inspired each other.
>a clear Lovecraft influence
Robert E Howard and HP Lovecraft were friends. It's not really accurate to say that one necessarily inspired the other, since they were both part of the same writer's circle that exchanged ideas through the mail. It's more like they inspired each other.
>>44189
Right, that's why I jumped to Howard. But the impression I get is that Lovecraft had a more profound influence on Howard's writing than the other way around. Then again I haven't researched either of them beyond wikipedia.
Right, that's why I jumped to Howard. But the impression I get is that Lovecraft had a more profound influence on Howard's writing than the other way around. Then again I haven't researched either of them beyond wikipedia.
>>44189
They must've shared the Cthulu Mythos universe created (it's real, and can be entered metaphysically, but Lovecraft's spirit doesn't like you doing it because he thinks you're going to exploit it for profitable gain, so if he feels you're doing that you will be blocked from entering it again).
They must've shared the Cthulu Mythos universe created (it's real, and can be entered metaphysically, but Lovecraft's spirit doesn't like you doing it because he thinks you're going to exploit it for profitable gain, so if he feels you're doing that you will be blocked from entering it again).
Why is George Martin so popular? He was writing stuff before got and now he is the most popular fantasy writer at the moment. I think the people who call him "the american tolkien" dont know wat they are talking about
>>44887
Because GoT was a lot of people's first introduction to a more "adult" fantasy world with a detailed world with a lot of things happening which led to the books blowing up in popularity to. Too bad Winds of Winter is never coming out because GRRM is too busy talking at conventions and tweeting.
Because GoT was a lot of people's first introduction to a more "adult" fantasy world with a detailed world with a lot of things happening which led to the books blowing up in popularity to. Too bad Winds of Winter is never coming out because GRRM is too busy talking at conventions and tweeting.
>>43731
I really hate how everybody how read the call of cthulhu is already a
"nerdy lovecraft expert".
I really hate how everybody how read the call of cthulhu is already a
"nerdy lovecraft expert".
>>45606
In recent years, you don't even have to read anything written by Lovecraft to cal yourself an "expert". Just reading a derivative or playing something like Bloodborne is enough. Tentacles and crazy cults dude.
In recent years, you don't even have to read anything written by Lovecraft to cal yourself an "expert". Just reading a derivative or playing something like Bloodborne is enough. Tentacles and crazy cults dude.
The Box Man is something every wizard should read. It will realy touch a nerve.
>>45608
That's all that's left of lovecraft once you remove the politically incorrect xenophobia themes.
>>45608
That's all that's left of lovecraft once you remove the politically incorrect xenophobia themes.
>>45621
Honestly, you can water down any story into its most basic parts if you ignore what made it unique and interesting.
Honestly, you can water down any story into its most basic parts if you ignore what made it unique and interesting.
>>45632
Of course. The point is more that Lovecraft cannot work without the xenophobia as a pillar to stand on. You can't have mysterious cults summoning unknown heretic gods if you don't allow for that cult to be something alien. It can't just be Satanists with a new name because we all know that and are familiar with it. It doesn't inspire the same intrigue and fear as a true unknown.
Silent Hill 1 and 4 are the true Lovecrafts of the modern era. They got his spirit right.
Of course. The point is more that Lovecraft cannot work without the xenophobia as a pillar to stand on. You can't have mysterious cults summoning unknown heretic gods if you don't allow for that cult to be something alien. It can't just be Satanists with a new name because we all know that and are familiar with it. It doesn't inspire the same intrigue and fear as a true unknown.
Silent Hill 1 and 4 are the true Lovecrafts of the modern era. They got his spirit right.
What's the best dark fantasy franchise? Not just a single book but a full universe to explore.
>>45675
I guess it depends on what you like, but some popular ones are
>Lovecraft (inspired a religion, deals with cosmic beings 'n sheit)
>Stephen King (if you like edge in some stories)
I also liked
>roadside picnic (inspiration for STALKER)
some Bradbury stuff is somewhat dark sci-fi
Heinlein has a big universe, but that usually includes mankind/man overcoming adversity (not exactly dark) because muh individualism or muh service to greater purpose (starship troopers etc. the main character was actually a wizard, as he never mentions being in a relationship IIRC)"have spacesuit will travel" is about a guy and a space loli
Margaret attwood has a darker view on sci-fi, but some people are turned off by some of the green party/feminism stuff
Ayn rand also had some sci-fi stuff that was dystopian, but some of her writing was ultra libertarian and focused on individuals overcoming society
then there are other universes that deal more with the sci-fi aspects, and less with the "dark" ones
I guess it depends on what you like, but some popular ones are
>Lovecraft (inspired a religion, deals with cosmic beings 'n sheit)
>Stephen King (if you like edge in some stories)
I also liked
>roadside picnic (inspiration for STALKER)
some Bradbury stuff is somewhat dark sci-fi
Heinlein has a big universe, but that usually includes mankind/man overcoming adversity (not exactly dark) because muh individualism or muh service to greater purpose (starship troopers etc. the main character was actually a wizard, as he never mentions being in a relationship IIRC)"have spacesuit will travel" is about a guy and a space loli
Margaret attwood has a darker view on sci-fi, but some people are turned off by some of the green party/feminism stuff
Ayn rand also had some sci-fi stuff that was dystopian, but some of her writing was ultra libertarian and focused on individuals overcoming society
then there are other universes that deal more with the sci-fi aspects, and less with the "dark" ones
>>44887
Who the fuck knows? I think the TV series made the books retroactively successful as they're terrible books in general.
Who the fuck knows? I think the TV series made the books retroactively successful as they're terrible books in general.
>>45691
The books were massively popular with people that read fantasy, they just blew up to mainstream status when the show came out.
The books were massively popular with people that read fantasy, they just blew up to mainstream status when the show came out.
>>45692
I read fantasy. I saw very little of them being discussed in /tg/ circles. The most I saw was an American podcast discussing them on one episode when the TV series was announced.
I read fantasy. I saw very little of them being discussed in /tg/ circles. The most I saw was an American podcast discussing them on one episode when the TV series was announced.
>>45695
Well, if a board for board games and a podcast is your only way to gauge the popularity of something, then yeah you wouldn't have heard much about it.
Well, if a board for board games and a podcast is your only way to gauge the popularity of something, then yeah you wouldn't have heard much about it.
>>45703
Do you have any idea who the core demographic are for science fiction and fantasy books are? They're the same one that goes to /tg/. Nerds who like science fiction and fantasy.
Do you have any idea who the core demographic are for science fiction and fantasy books are? They're the same one that goes to /tg/. Nerds who like science fiction and fantasy.
>>45704
And the core demographic for video games goes to /a/, doesn't mean they're going to talk about it a lot.
And the core demographic for video games goes to /a/, doesn't mean they're going to talk about it a lot.
>>44887
everyone I talked with says its the violence and tits…
TOlkien on the other hand had a marvelous theological basis (the silmarilion) that establishes a creation lore and a reasoning for the world existing in an almost kind and noble lovecraftian way (almost as an antilovecraft- the specific will of the gods and their plans for their creations plays a crucial role in the mechanics of the world)
GoT seems to be more about drama and treachery rather than pondering the universe and our role in it.
Then again, probably the same reason normies watch soap operas and decade long ongoing tv series that focus more on drama than world building (also one of the reasons some shows start good then turn to shit)
everyone I talked with says its the violence and tits…
TOlkien on the other hand had a marvelous theological basis (the silmarilion) that establishes a creation lore and a reasoning for the world existing in an almost kind and noble lovecraftian way (almost as an antilovecraft- the specific will of the gods and their plans for their creations plays a crucial role in the mechanics of the world)
GoT seems to be more about drama and treachery rather than pondering the universe and our role in it.
Then again, probably the same reason normies watch soap operas and decade long ongoing tv series that focus more on drama than world building (also one of the reasons some shows start good then turn to shit)
>>45712
What does Tolkien have to do with this?
Why are you even comparing the two when you yourself implicitly admit they're vastly different?
What does Tolkien have to do with this?
Why are you even comparing the two when you yourself implicitly admit they're vastly different?
>>45713
I was agreeing with the other wiz that GoT is overrated and people who compare its creator to tolkien have little basis in justifying their statement
I was agreeing with the other wiz that GoT is overrated and people who compare its creator to tolkien have little basis in justifying their statement
Why people lose time with dysney star wars (and the marvel comics of star wars) when dune is much better
>>46025
Is it? All I ever hear about it anymore is passing references. The first movie bombed like thirty years ago, are they gonna try again?
Is it? All I ever hear about it anymore is passing references. The first movie bombed like thirty years ago, are they gonna try again?
>>46016
Dune can't really be adapted, and it really isn't comparable to starwars or marvel comics or movies.
I get that you personally prefer dune but they are about as dissimilar as you can get while still being in the same genera.
Dune can't really be adapted, and it really isn't comparable to starwars or marvel comics or movies.
I get that you personally prefer dune but they are about as dissimilar as you can get while still being in the same genera.
>>46026
The first movie has been grossly underrated. It was good considering the runtime constraints IMO and Herbert himself thought the visuals were spot on. The new one will be directed by Denis Villeneuve and is supposedly slated for 2019. His Blade Runner sequel was competent enough, but I have so little faith in Hollywood these days that I dread any adaptation of something I cherish. 2049 was not meant to be the launchpad of a cinematic universe. This is meant to be, as the production company has collected all the adaptation rights to the series. This means it will probably be loud and dumb.
>>46027
Star Wars is very comparable to Dune. It is basically a Dune adaptation.
http://www.moongadget.com/origins/dune.html
The first movie has been grossly underrated. It was good considering the runtime constraints IMO and Herbert himself thought the visuals were spot on. The new one will be directed by Denis Villeneuve and is supposedly slated for 2019. His Blade Runner sequel was competent enough, but I have so little faith in Hollywood these days that I dread any adaptation of something I cherish. 2049 was not meant to be the launchpad of a cinematic universe. This is meant to be, as the production company has collected all the adaptation rights to the series. This means it will probably be loud and dumb.
>>46027
Star Wars is very comparable to Dune. It is basically a Dune adaptation.
http://www.moongadget.com/origins/dune.html
>>46030
>Star Wars is very comparable to Dune. It is basically a Dune adaptation.
I strongly disagree. A few superficial coincidental similarities does not a adaptation make. Nor is the basic structure of the stories directly comparable.
>Star Wars is very comparable to Dune. It is basically a Dune adaptation.
I strongly disagree. A few superficial coincidental similarities does not a adaptation make. Nor is the basic structure of the stories directly comparable.
>>46031
The only difference I see between them is that dune gets way more into politics and is a lot better as a whole, but I think that's more cause it's a book so it could put a lot of detail Into it, but Star Wars was one movie that they never expected to get a sequel.
They both have a fairly young protagonist who's a bit of a Gary Stu, learning about the more magical side of their sci-fi universe, going on to stop the evil empire who they are related to one way or another.
The only difference I see between them is that dune gets way more into politics and is a lot better as a whole, but I think that's more cause it's a book so it could put a lot of detail Into it, but Star Wars was one movie that they never expected to get a sequel.
They both have a fairly young protagonist who's a bit of a Gary Stu, learning about the more magical side of their sci-fi universe, going on to stop the evil empire who they are related to one way or another.
>>46031
The basic pattern is quite comparable: Young boy loses family, joins the rebels, and defeats the empire.
>coincidental
George Lucas has acknowledged Dune being an inspiration for Star Wars with spice and feudal Imperial politics playing a much larger role in early drafts. Frank Herbert was pissed after watching the movie in theaters when it came out because of all of the ideas Lucas blatantly stole from him (and other authors).
Star Wars is an adaptation of the science fiction mileau of the 60s and 70s including Dune into popcorn flick form.
The basic pattern is quite comparable: Young boy loses family, joins the rebels, and defeats the empire.
>coincidental
George Lucas has acknowledged Dune being an inspiration for Star Wars with spice and feudal Imperial politics playing a much larger role in early drafts. Frank Herbert was pissed after watching the movie in theaters when it came out because of all of the ideas Lucas blatantly stole from him (and other authors).
Star Wars is an adaptation of the science fiction mileau of the 60s and 70s including Dune into popcorn flick form.
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>>46034
> citation
Here you go, Lucas "hated writitng", he rethemed "Hidden Fortress" a samurai movie, the two bumbling thieves (now droids) don't know they're helping a princess escape the empire with her Samurai (Jedi).
It starts at Episode IV because Lucas wanted it to be like going to an old Sci-fi serial and watching from the middle. Wanted to make Cowboys in Space. Inspired by Buck Rogers (esp. "Evil Emperor" Ming and his high tech civ), C3PO is ripped off from Metropolis.
s/horse/land speeder/, you got Star Wars.
> citation
Here you go, Lucas "hated writitng", he rethemed "Hidden Fortress" a samurai movie, the two bumbling thieves (now droids) don't know they're helping a princess escape the empire with her Samurai (Jedi).
It starts at Episode IV because Lucas wanted it to be like going to an old Sci-fi serial and watching from the middle. Wanted to make Cowboys in Space. Inspired by Buck Rogers (esp. "Evil Emperor" Ming and his high tech civ), C3PO is ripped off from Metropolis.
s/horse/land speeder/, you got Star Wars.
>>46039
Why make such a big deal out of this? All great works of art are derivative. A is a copy of B which is a copy of C, and so on ad infinitum. As long as the end product is good, it shouldn't matter.
Why make such a big deal out of this? All great works of art are derivative. A is a copy of B which is a copy of C, and so on ad infinitum. As long as the end product is good, it shouldn't matter.
>>46034
A said a bit of one. And it's mostly because they're the chosen ones of their stories and both overcome some rather insurmountable odds. Maud'dib more so than Luke.
A said a bit of one. And it's mostly because they're the chosen ones of their stories and both overcome some rather insurmountable odds. Maud'dib more so than Luke.
>>46045
Look doesn't overcome shit. He blows up a death star because his childhood experience had made him good at drive bys. Then he fights two people who don't want to kill him and fail to do so through no skill of his own.
Lukes not even close to a Mary sue you twerp.
Look doesn't overcome shit. He blows up a death star because his childhood experience had made him good at drive bys. Then he fights two people who don't want to kill him and fail to do so through no skill of his own.
Lukes not even close to a Mary sue you twerp.
>>46046
>the son of big evil dude darth Vader
>just happens to find the droids carrying a distress signal from his sister, who is also a princess
>disobeys yoda to go help his sister with no consequences even though grand wiz yoda said there would be
He gets a fair amount of plot conveniences.
>the son of big evil dude darth Vader
>just happens to find the droids carrying a distress signal from his sister, who is also a princess
>disobeys yoda to go help his sister with no consequences even though grand wiz yoda said there would be
He gets a fair amount of plot conveniences.
>>46047
You call losing a hand and almost getting himself and everyone he cares about killed no consequences?
And the rest of the things you mentioned aren't even plot conveniences.
Lastly you don't know what even is a Gary Stu.
Again opinion disregarded.
You call losing a hand and almost getting himself and everyone he cares about killed no consequences?
And the rest of the things you mentioned aren't even plot conveniences.
Lastly you don't know what even is a Gary Stu.
Again opinion disregarded.
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Is alternate history sci-fi? Like Man in the High Castle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61souSkwDk4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61souSkwDk4
>>46016
Because it's less fun. It filters out people by doing these two things first:
>men are all shit
>artificial intelligence is evil
It's feminist garbage and ironically Luddite-tier despite it being the 'first star-x' universe. In star trek and star wars and things like it it doesn't go full feminism nor full I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream or Terminator or whatever. I stopped reading during the first chapter due to it's no-fun-allowed bullshit then turned around and downloaded like 200 star wars books, of which there are more of for a reason. The universe on that allows F U N
Because it's less fun. It filters out people by doing these two things first:
>men are all shit
>artificial intelligence is evil
It's feminist garbage and ironically Luddite-tier despite it being the 'first star-x' universe. In star trek and star wars and things like it it doesn't go full feminism nor full I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream or Terminator or whatever. I stopped reading during the first chapter due to it's no-fun-allowed bullshit then turned around and downloaded like 200 star wars books, of which there are more of for a reason. The universe on that allows F U N
>>46027
>>46555
>>46560
I could see it working as a miniseries. It is a long book with a lot of plot threads so a movie is going to be too short. If it were a miniseries they could possibly have all the plot threads in it without losing track of the story. That being said, I am in favor of it staying a book because there is too much that can go wrong, no matter how you approach it..
>>46555
>>46560
I could see it working as a miniseries. It is a long book with a lot of plot threads so a movie is going to be too short. If it were a miniseries they could possibly have all the plot threads in it without losing track of the story. That being said, I am in favor of it staying a book because there is too much that can go wrong, no matter how you approach it..
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Thread inspired me to go out and buy a fuck-ton of sci-fi books. Most came from a local book store but some I ordered from Amazon.
Didn't do much research into a lot of these books, just figured I'd pick them up based on the blurb on the back and the first 10 pages. Hopefully some of them will be gems. Pic has the one's I'm reading now.
Didn't do much research into a lot of these books, just figured I'd pick them up based on the blurb on the back and the first 10 pages. Hopefully some of them will be gems. Pic has the one's I'm reading now.
>>51398
I don't read much sci-fi but Roadside Picnic is really good. Very different from the Tarkovsky film and the game series it inspired, though.
I don't read much sci-fi but Roadside Picnic is really good. Very different from the Tarkovsky film and the game series it inspired, though.
