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What did you guys take away from this show? Did it help the way you feel about your situation, or did it cause more despair?
I read the novel and the whole thing just felt like the author's gullible and desperate desire for a girlfriend. I don't know if the anime is any different, but in the novel the hiki part is just a premisse stitched together so a succubus can come and rescue the protagonist. The book really failed to to speak to me at all. Honestly I felt a bit cheated when I read it, since the story really is about finding love in weird ways.
>Did it help the way you feel about your situation, or did it cause more despair?
It caused a fleeting disappointment and pretty much nothing else. Even though now that I think about it, I did manage to get all the way to end, which is something I guess.
>Did it help the way you feel about your situation, or did it cause more despair?
It caused a fleeting disappointment and pretty much nothing else. Even though now that I think about it, I did manage to get all the way to end, which is something I guess.
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I watched the anime and read the manga. Manga was better than anime. It illustrated some of Misaki's batshit insane habits better.
NHK was basically about a failed normalfag who tries out different trendy things before he decides to go back into the normie world. He does it because he is bored with his neet life. So much for beeing a show about neetdom.
I liked Hitomi most of the show and I feel like the show would have been much better if he just made it a high school romance story instead of this fake neet story. I mean the show could have been about damaged people doing high school shit and I would have been totally okay with it.
NHK was basically about a failed normalfag who tries out different trendy things before he decides to go back into the normie world. He does it because he is bored with his neet life. So much for beeing a show about neetdom.
I liked Hitomi most of the show and I feel like the show would have been much better if he just made it a high school romance story instead of this fake neet story. I mean the show could have been about damaged people doing high school shit and I would have been totally okay with it.
>Most of my problems are self-imposed.
>The hikki/NEET problem stems primarily from overly lenient parents or guardians.
>Life is pretty fucking boring, but it's best to just accept it the way it is rather than indulge in schizo fantasies and torment yourself.
Been almost 6 years since I've watched it but that's what I remember getting from it.
It was entertaining and edifying but I don't think it really helped me much.
Also that scene and line about not wanting to live or do anything, but dying being too much of a hassle may have been one of the most relatable things I've ever seen in fiction.
>The hikki/NEET problem stems primarily from overly lenient parents or guardians.
>Life is pretty fucking boring, but it's best to just accept it the way it is rather than indulge in schizo fantasies and torment yourself.
Been almost 6 years since I've watched it but that's what I remember getting from it.
It was entertaining and edifying but I don't think it really helped me much.
Also that scene and line about not wanting to live or do anything, but dying being too much of a hassle may have been one of the most relatable things I've ever seen in fiction.
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>>27988
>not wanting to live or do anything, but dying being too much of a hassle
I can't believe such cliché or even cringy thing could be so much true… But it is.
>not wanting to live or do anything, but dying being too much of a hassle
I can't believe such cliché or even cringy thing could be so much true… But it is.
It has been said multiple times here that:
1) it's a romance anime
2) it's an anti-hikki (and also anti-suicide) propaganda anime
3) MC is a textbook failed norman
4) Novel>Manga>>>Anime
Sage because this post isn't worth bumping to the top of /all/.
1) it's a romance anime
2) it's an anti-hikki (and also anti-suicide) propaganda anime
3) MC is a textbook failed norman
4) Novel>Manga>>>Anime
Sage because this post isn't worth bumping to the top of /all/.
>>28060
First 3 have nothing to do with the quality of the show. Not every protagonist has to be a "true wiz" for the messages conveyed through a piece of media to be relevant to people here. And anti-hikki/anti-suicide doesn't imply anti-wizard.
I don't know about the fourth point because I haven't read the manga, but I might check the novel out soon.
First 3 have nothing to do with the quality of the show. Not every protagonist has to be a "true wiz" for the messages conveyed through a piece of media to be relevant to people here. And anti-hikki/anti-suicide doesn't imply anti-wizard.
I don't know about the fourth point because I haven't read the manga, but I might check the novel out soon.
>>28068
Fair enough, we disagree. I just don't believe there are any profound lessons to be taken from Welcome to the R9K if you're a wizard:
>just wait for your misaki to find you bro, jus b urself and you'll make it :)
>hikkiNEETs are losers, you have to start wageslaving and be a productive member of society bro
>don't kill yourself bro, life is worth living and you'll make your mom sad :(
That's pretty much all there is to it. If this makes you feel better then more power to you.
Fair enough, we disagree. I just don't believe there are any profound lessons to be taken from Welcome to the R9K if you're a wizard:
>just wait for your misaki to find you bro, jus b urself and you'll make it :)
>hikkiNEETs are losers, you have to start wageslaving and be a productive member of society bro
>don't kill yourself bro, life is worth living and you'll make your mom sad :(
That's pretty much all there is to it. If this makes you feel better then more power to you.
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>>28069
I'll rewatch the anime and read the novel because I'm murky on the details, but you're definitely misrepresenting the message(s) of the anime.
>If this makes you feel better then more power to you.
Well it doesn't, really. I'm just sick of people trivializing media like this with dumb memes. I thought it had some good insights into the dangers of shut-in life and of excessive fantasizing. I didn't really find it useful as a self-help guide, though, and felt it was more just a statement of truths (i.e. pic related) and a cautionary tale rather than a practical guide to getting better.
I'll rewatch the anime and read the novel because I'm murky on the details, but you're definitely misrepresenting the message(s) of the anime.
>If this makes you feel better then more power to you.
Well it doesn't, really. I'm just sick of people trivializing media like this with dumb memes. I thought it had some good insights into the dangers of shut-in life and of excessive fantasizing. I didn't really find it useful as a self-help guide, though, and felt it was more just a statement of truths (i.e. pic related) and a cautionary tale rather than a practical guide to getting better.
I liked the resolution of that other NEET character who played MMOs, it felt pretty realistic. If you don't remember he was basically forced to get a job and quit his lifestyle or else he would starve to death. Pic related >>28070 says it all. In fact, I think in that character's arc, there's a piece of dialogue that out right criticizes the whole self-help thing and says that it doesn't work.
I took away that the opening to the book tells you that Jews did nothing wrong and you shouldn't suspect them of wrong doings because it's inconvenient to them. At that point I figured the writer was just another idiot who wanted to write an anti-conspiracy theory book rather than explore topics which lead to neetdom.
The anime was entertaining until it derailed it's self in the third act. Not remotely realistic or any insight from it. It just appeals to Hikkis who find someone to relate to without taking away the full message as you can see in >>28060
The writer couldn't even take the message himself since he went right back to being a hikki as soon as he got enough money to do so and is now involved in a cult. He didn't learn anything, he simply carried on behaving how he always had while preaching at others to change their ways.
>>28081
That's the only good resolution. He tried to use an easy get rich quick scheme to live and found it didn't really work. He found fulfilment doing something else and had removed himself from his self made prison at the same time. This is a classic hiki story done on a smaller scale. Japanese hikis often find going to another country stops them being hikis. Their internal insanity drops away because everything around them is so alien. They can't just fall back into their bedroom and so they find better ways to deal with their lives. This in turn causes an ease up on their depression and mental health problems which keeps snow balling until they can function.
The anime was entertaining until it derailed it's self in the third act. Not remotely realistic or any insight from it. It just appeals to Hikkis who find someone to relate to without taking away the full message as you can see in >>28060
The writer couldn't even take the message himself since he went right back to being a hikki as soon as he got enough money to do so and is now involved in a cult. He didn't learn anything, he simply carried on behaving how he always had while preaching at others to change their ways.
>>28081
That's the only good resolution. He tried to use an easy get rich quick scheme to live and found it didn't really work. He found fulfilment doing something else and had removed himself from his self made prison at the same time. This is a classic hiki story done on a smaller scale. Japanese hikis often find going to another country stops them being hikis. Their internal insanity drops away because everything around them is so alien. They can't just fall back into their bedroom and so they find better ways to deal with their lives. This in turn causes an ease up on their depression and mental health problems which keeps snow balling until they can function.
I haven't finished it yet, there are 3 episodes left but it seems like a simple 'get a gf/job and b happy' narrative. I prefer Watamote
>>28070
I (finally) finished reading the novel and it was pretty good. Feels like its superiority to the anime was kind of exaggerated though.
>>28268
I laughed pretty hard reading that opening because I knew someone would get butthurt about the Jew shit. The point he was trying to make is that you can't blame all your problems on an abstract group when there are clearly faults in yourself that are causing said problems. Otherwise you just look retarded, like crabs claiming that they can't get white gfs or are NEETs because of a Jewish conspiracy when there are clearly issues in themselves that are the root of the problem.
I (finally) finished reading the novel and it was pretty good. Feels like its superiority to the anime was kind of exaggerated though.
>>28268
I laughed pretty hard reading that opening because I knew someone would get butthurt about the Jew shit. The point he was trying to make is that you can't blame all your problems on an abstract group when there are clearly faults in yourself that are causing said problems. Otherwise you just look retarded, like crabs claiming that they can't get white gfs or are NEETs because of a Jewish conspiracy when there are clearly issues in themselves that are the root of the problem.
>>27981
I droppped this shit almost immediately. They were trying to make a guy with a literally perfect life seem like a total loser because he wasn't the perfect little normalfag. Fuck that shit. If this didn't enrage you I doubt you belong here.
I droppped this shit almost immediately. They were trying to make a guy with a literally perfect life seem like a total loser because he wasn't the perfect little normalfag. Fuck that shit. If this didn't enrage you I doubt you belong here.
>>28568
The reason why people blame the groups though is that they find it more compelling that they are part of a group conflict instead of a personal one. The psychology behind it is pretty clear, you have a personal conflict that makes you feel like an outsider so the natural inclination is to seek another group for most people i.e nazis, black panthers, masons, any religion, the person able to seperate themselves from their group identity and realize that it's them who is the problem are people who have a high likelihood of becoming functioning people later in life. That self-awareness simply doesn't develop in most people because they find the idea of the group identity much more important than the concept of their own personal identity. It's about a difference of values and development rather than a philosophical difference, with is a huge problem with NHK.
The reason why people blame the groups though is that they find it more compelling that they are part of a group conflict instead of a personal one. The psychology behind it is pretty clear, you have a personal conflict that makes you feel like an outsider so the natural inclination is to seek another group for most people i.e nazis, black panthers, masons, any religion, the person able to seperate themselves from their group identity and realize that it's them who is the problem are people who have a high likelihood of becoming functioning people later in life. That self-awareness simply doesn't develop in most people because they find the idea of the group identity much more important than the concept of their own personal identity. It's about a difference of values and development rather than a philosophical difference, with is a huge problem with NHK.
I read some of the manga. It seemed like a generic tale of a failed normalslime getting shoved back into society by a manic pixie dream succubus. I dropped it not long thereafter.
The entire message it conveyed is:
>just b urself and work and succeed bro
The entire message it conveyed is:
>just b urself and work and succeed bro
>>28745
That's the whole idea with Satou trying to make himself believe in a conspiracy even though he fails at doing so. He thought that if it wasn't just him but an enemy causing it he'd get the motivation to change.
>>28747
>just b urself and work and succeed bro
Very wrong but since you didn't finish it that's understandable. Plenty of the characters say that kind of stuff all the time, as they are trying to be normal and that's what normal people say. But it sure isn't what the show itself is telling you.
That's the whole idea with Satou trying to make himself believe in a conspiracy even though he fails at doing so. He thought that if it wasn't just him but an enemy causing it he'd get the motivation to change.
>>28747
>just b urself and work and succeed bro
Very wrong but since you didn't finish it that's understandable. Plenty of the characters say that kind of stuff all the time, as they are trying to be normal and that's what normal people say. But it sure isn't what the show itself is telling you.
>>28747
No, the main idea of this work is expressed by Satou when he says "if you are not ready to die, don't become a hikikomori". He himself was not ready and in that respect he was of course a failed norman of sorts.
No, the main idea of this work is expressed by Satou when he says "if you are not ready to die, don't become a hikikomori". He himself was not ready and in that respect he was of course a failed norman of sorts.
>>27981
I really hate how this anime keeps getting brought up as the epitome of the wizard condition. I'm going to quote some other anon's post:
>Satou is not a hikikomori past the first episode. He goes out every day, in broad daylight, in public, often socializing with a close circle of friends (Yamazaki, Misaki, Senpai) or others. He talks on the phone all the time. His anxiety is moderate and not debilitating at all. Satou isn't a social butterfly by any means, but he's socially competent enough to function in society, have a relationship, have a job when he can get around to applying for one, etc. Satou's biggest problem is that he's not very intelligent and he fucks up the opportunities that are handed to him on a silver platter. If he wasn't comically inept at managing his life, he could have gotten a job and gotten into a relationship with Misaki, who was obviously interested in him from the start.
At best Satou is a failed normalfag.
I really hate how this anime keeps getting brought up as the epitome of the wizard condition. I'm going to quote some other anon's post:
>Satou is not a hikikomori past the first episode. He goes out every day, in broad daylight, in public, often socializing with a close circle of friends (Yamazaki, Misaki, Senpai) or others. He talks on the phone all the time. His anxiety is moderate and not debilitating at all. Satou isn't a social butterfly by any means, but he's socially competent enough to function in society, have a relationship, have a job when he can get around to applying for one, etc. Satou's biggest problem is that he's not very intelligent and he fucks up the opportunities that are handed to him on a silver platter. If he wasn't comically inept at managing his life, he could have gotten a job and gotten into a relationship with Misaki, who was obviously interested in him from the start.
At best Satou is a failed normalfag.
>>27981
> What did you guys take away from this show?
There really is a conspiracy, many of them.
NHK shows the Mouseway Pyramid Scheme as a real conspiracy to get you thinking, wait, some conspiracies are real.
So, then you're supposed to research the NHK conspiracy. You learn about how government think tanks really do control the media.
In the USA the Pentagon (and its media consulting agencies) control all mainstream movie scripts.
http://www.spyculture.com/pentagon-established-control-movie-scripts/
In Nippon it's the remnants of the GCHQ "War Guilt Information Program". Western post-WWII propaganda campaign seized control of all Japanese media, rewrote their history. Censors have emasculated the Japanese culture and strictly repressed sexuality leading to reduced birth rate… Eventually they'll try to flood Japan with migrants to finish eradicating them (like they're doing to Europe now). This was the "Final Solution" to eradicate Germans, called the "Hooton Plan":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN8IAPNBgFw
The plan was to destroy the competitors to western powers, and give more power to the Internationalist [globalist] Baking cartel.
A blind eye is turned towards the skyrocketing Suicide rate among young men as feminism has gutted the workplace. A family once earned $X dollars by the man, who is supposed to provide for his and his wife's parents as they age. After succubi entered the workforce the family earns 2 times $X for a brief time. Then inflation makes the market correction and one family unit now earns $X again, but produces twice the labor - Capitalists (and globalist bankers) Love It! The "grass eaters / herbivore men" like NEETS in NHK, and "dried fish succubi" are a product of these actual conspiracies and social engineering programs.
To advance the gynocentric focus and shame men the media carries out awareness campaigns about the skyrocketing ATTEMPTED suicide rate among NEET succubi – who more often attempt suicide but don't go through with it (attention whores). But ignore the men who are actually dying are largely ignored.
It used to be that all anime was western propaganda. But red-pilled animators began adding occulted (hidden) information to shows. First as a protest they'd show animated nudity (see: child Goku's dick / butt in old Draggon Ball), and various "fan service" shots of panties. Drawings aren't subject to the same decency laws as Cinema (which only fairly recently had female nudity in Japan, and it had to be tasteful).
Why are the anime characters more western looking? Why is the blonde / red / pink haired succubus the most beautiful / fabulous / good grades, etc. in the shows? Japanese have all black hair. True, some colorization is just to tell apart characters, so why isn't it Green (envy) colored hair or glistening Brown or purple (the alchemical color of mastery)? It's gold hair, (the alchemical color of the Sun, because it's a Solar cult in charge of western politics & religion).
You want to have a successful show? Look an K-ON! It is pure western propaganda. Western instruments, western imposed educational environment, western tea & western deserts, complete with idolizing western musicians and a trip to England just to cement the western propaganda. For this the animator is considered "great" by all the other media shills, and fans gobble up the propaganda.
Nowadays we have Shows like NHK and things by Trigger, and various other rebel creators who are fighting the system by exposing the levers of power.
> What did you guys take away from this show?
There really is a conspiracy, many of them.
NHK shows the Mouseway Pyramid Scheme as a real conspiracy to get you thinking, wait, some conspiracies are real.
So, then you're supposed to research the NHK conspiracy. You learn about how government think tanks really do control the media.
In the USA the Pentagon (and its media consulting agencies) control all mainstream movie scripts.
http://www.spyculture.com/pentagon-established-control-movie-scripts/
In Nippon it's the remnants of the GCHQ "War Guilt Information Program". Western post-WWII propaganda campaign seized control of all Japanese media, rewrote their history. Censors have emasculated the Japanese culture and strictly repressed sexuality leading to reduced birth rate… Eventually they'll try to flood Japan with migrants to finish eradicating them (like they're doing to Europe now). This was the "Final Solution" to eradicate Germans, called the "Hooton Plan":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN8IAPNBgFw
The plan was to destroy the competitors to western powers, and give more power to the Internationalist [globalist] Baking cartel.
A blind eye is turned towards the skyrocketing Suicide rate among young men as feminism has gutted the workplace. A family once earned $X dollars by the man, who is supposed to provide for his and his wife's parents as they age. After succubi entered the workforce the family earns 2 times $X for a brief time. Then inflation makes the market correction and one family unit now earns $X again, but produces twice the labor - Capitalists (and globalist bankers) Love It! The "grass eaters / herbivore men" like NEETS in NHK, and "dried fish succubi" are a product of these actual conspiracies and social engineering programs.
To advance the gynocentric focus and shame men the media carries out awareness campaigns about the skyrocketing ATTEMPTED suicide rate among NEET succubi – who more often attempt suicide but don't go through with it (attention whores). But ignore the men who are actually dying are largely ignored.
It used to be that all anime was western propaganda. But red-pilled animators began adding occulted (hidden) information to shows. First as a protest they'd show animated nudity (see: child Goku's dick / butt in old Draggon Ball), and various "fan service" shots of panties. Drawings aren't subject to the same decency laws as Cinema (which only fairly recently had female nudity in Japan, and it had to be tasteful).
Why are the anime characters more western looking? Why is the blonde / red / pink haired succubus the most beautiful / fabulous / good grades, etc. in the shows? Japanese have all black hair. True, some colorization is just to tell apart characters, so why isn't it Green (envy) colored hair or glistening Brown or purple (the alchemical color of mastery)? It's gold hair, (the alchemical color of the Sun, because it's a Solar cult in charge of western politics & religion).
You want to have a successful show? Look an K-ON! It is pure western propaganda. Western instruments, western imposed educational environment, western tea & western deserts, complete with idolizing western musicians and a trip to England just to cement the western propaganda. For this the animator is considered "great" by all the other media shills, and fans gobble up the propaganda.
Nowadays we have Shows like NHK and things by Trigger, and various other rebel creators who are fighting the system by exposing the levers of power.
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>>28788
>checked mai dubs.
TL;DR: NHK taught me is to look deeper into the messaging in anime and study the occult symbolism so you can read the occulted cultural commentary and symbolic meanings hidden in shows.
Pic: Little Witch Academia.
It has "Magic + Tech Cell Phones" causing aggro among the public (See: MKULTRA).
This is also the "globalits dystopia" conspiracy that Steins;Gate is fighting against by revealing "Phone Microwaves" affect Memory (one of the same messages as LWA).
So, there are two basic factions in Anime, those pushing more western propaganda, and those fighting against it.
This is why the producer of Serial Experiments Lain said SEL was anti-western rebellion. It contains occulted information about technologies developed by testing done to Japanese children. The WIRED is "wireless" too, eh? Like those Phone Microwaves, perhaps? AI + Phone Microwave, where have I heard that before.. Ah, Steins;Gate Zero. Akira is also about this child mind power testing.
Welcome to the NHK is intended to redpill you and set you on the path to becoming a real wizard with fearful powers…Soon the you'll see the occulted messages and hidden truths in this "magical world" of illusions all the normies believe in.
>checked mai dubs.
TL;DR: NHK taught me is to look deeper into the messaging in anime and study the occult symbolism so you can read the occulted cultural commentary and symbolic meanings hidden in shows.
Pic: Little Witch Academia.
It has "Magic + Tech Cell Phones" causing aggro among the public (See: MKULTRA).
This is also the "globalits dystopia" conspiracy that Steins;Gate is fighting against by revealing "Phone Microwaves" affect Memory (one of the same messages as LWA).
So, there are two basic factions in Anime, those pushing more western propaganda, and those fighting against it.
This is why the producer of Serial Experiments Lain said SEL was anti-western rebellion. It contains occulted information about technologies developed by testing done to Japanese children. The WIRED is "wireless" too, eh? Like those Phone Microwaves, perhaps? AI + Phone Microwave, where have I heard that before.. Ah, Steins;Gate Zero. Akira is also about this child mind power testing.
Welcome to the NHK is intended to redpill you and set you on the path to becoming a real wizard with fearful powers…Soon the you'll see the occulted messages and hidden truths in this "magical world" of illusions all the normies believe in.
>>28790
>>28788
How does awareness benefit us?
> set you on the path to becoming a real wizard with fearful powers…
In reality even if you know all this stuff you are worse of than the normies, because soon they realize you aren't part of the kumbayaa chanting and turn on you even more.
Awareness is useless if you don't and will never have the power to do something about it.
>>28788
How does awareness benefit us?
> set you on the path to becoming a real wizard with fearful powers…
In reality even if you know all this stuff you are worse of than the normies, because soon they realize you aren't part of the kumbayaa chanting and turn on you even more.
Awareness is useless if you don't and will never have the power to do something about it.
>>28790
>NHK taught me is to look deeper into the messaging in anime and study the occult symbolism so you can read the occulted cultural commentary and symbolic meanings hidden in shows.
How is that useful in any way? You can play the I Spy game but it doesn't make a show good. There are tonnes of youtube channels that look at the 'occult symbols' in shows, at most you might learn something vaguely interesting by looking it up on wikipedia
>NHK taught me is to look deeper into the messaging in anime and study the occult symbolism so you can read the occulted cultural commentary and symbolic meanings hidden in shows.
How is that useful in any way? You can play the I Spy game but it doesn't make a show good. There are tonnes of youtube channels that look at the 'occult symbols' in shows, at most you might learn something vaguely interesting by looking it up on wikipedia
>>28788
>Censors have emasculated the Japanese culture and strictly repressed sexuality leading to reduced birth rate…
Based. If only they did it to the whole world, not only selected nations.
That being said, you remind me of myself 10 years ago. Ah, to be young and impressionable again.
>Censors have emasculated the Japanese culture and strictly repressed sexuality leading to reduced birth rate…
Based. If only they did it to the whole world, not only selected nations.
That being said, you remind me of myself 10 years ago. Ah, to be young and impressionable again.
>>28788
Then why is the monogatari series the highest selling anime of the past 10 years. The entire show is drenched in japanese history and reverences?
Then why is the monogatari series the highest selling anime of the past 10 years. The entire show is drenched in japanese history and reverences?
>>28069
>just wait for your misaki to find you bro, jus b urself and you'll make it :)
No, the actual 'moral of the story' was to either find a job or die from starvation
>just wait for your misaki to find you bro, jus b urself and you'll make it :)
No, the actual 'moral of the story' was to either find a job or die from starvation
Not much really, it was nice but incompatible with what I know of society.
Hikki here wouldn't find a job and avoid starving, would likely end up homeless and in quite serious trouble, with no savior of course.
Hikki here wouldn't find a job and avoid starving, would likely end up homeless and in quite serious trouble, with no savior of course.
I want to believe it just came out but it will be nearly 15 years since the anime came. Manga and Novels are even older.
I love the early 2000s feels of novel/manga and early-mid 2000s feel of the anime. The days before smartphones and social media, but after the dawn of internet. Truly the golden age.
People don't like the unwarranted romance and I understand, but do realize this was a neet anime not a wizard anime. It can be ignored.
I love the luxury message as other wizards said here >>28070 >>28081
and found the dude who had to work because he was going to starve realistic.
Being a NEET is truly a luxury. Having a roof over your head, food on the table, few bucks for your hobby all the while NOT having to wagecuck. Rather than being depressed everyone should be grateful that they are able to not work and not starve to death at the same time.
No matter how miserable you are as a neet, you would be equally, probably more miserable as a wagecuck.
I love the early 2000s feels of novel/manga and early-mid 2000s feel of the anime. The days before smartphones and social media, but after the dawn of internet. Truly the golden age.
People don't like the unwarranted romance and I understand, but do realize this was a neet anime not a wizard anime. It can be ignored.
I love the luxury message as other wizards said here >>28070 >>28081
and found the dude who had to work because he was going to starve realistic.
Being a NEET is truly a luxury. Having a roof over your head, food on the table, few bucks for your hobby all the while NOT having to wagecuck. Rather than being depressed everyone should be grateful that they are able to not work and not starve to death at the same time.
No matter how miserable you are as a neet, you would be equally, probably more miserable as a wagecuck.
>>32352
>No matter how miserable you are as a neet, you would be equally, probably more miserable as a wagecuck
This is probably true, but only because modern society has reached a point where it can't provide meaningful social roles to its population. Even in the prosperous West, most people are cogs working for profit-driven, faceless corporations, and it's difficult in that kind of situation to generate enough intrinsic motivation to be satisfied with your role in society. That's not even mentioning the slave-like conditions that exist outside the West.
The system demands total obedience from early school until retirement if you want a shot at a decent job, with some leeway in terms of changing careers, but anyone who is long-term unemployed is effectively out of the game and ineligible for economic dignity. In Japan the pipeline from school to work is even more unforgiving, where even a minor failure can lead to exclusion and full hiki-dom. A long-term NEET or hiki with few qualifications often doesn't have many options other than low-status, humiliating wageslave jobs, with little prospect of advancement.
>Being a NEET is truly a luxury
It's a slow death of despair vs. the intense unpleasantness of wageslaving.
>No matter how miserable you are as a neet, you would be equally, probably more miserable as a wagecuck
This is probably true, but only because modern society has reached a point where it can't provide meaningful social roles to its population. Even in the prosperous West, most people are cogs working for profit-driven, faceless corporations, and it's difficult in that kind of situation to generate enough intrinsic motivation to be satisfied with your role in society. That's not even mentioning the slave-like conditions that exist outside the West.
The system demands total obedience from early school until retirement if you want a shot at a decent job, with some leeway in terms of changing careers, but anyone who is long-term unemployed is effectively out of the game and ineligible for economic dignity. In Japan the pipeline from school to work is even more unforgiving, where even a minor failure can lead to exclusion and full hiki-dom. A long-term NEET or hiki with few qualifications often doesn't have many options other than low-status, humiliating wageslave jobs, with little prospect of advancement.
>Being a NEET is truly a luxury
It's a slow death of despair vs. the intense unpleasantness of wageslaving.
>>32353
Very true. I do feel lucky thoguh, single child of single child parents. I was NEET for very brief periods, the longest being 10 months but I like to think If I go perma NEET I can manage.
With recession is coming I think I will be at home throughout my 30s. With the loss of youth and acceptance of fate also settling in, I wonder how I would fare as a thirtysomething neet. I find no joy in work, and have no qualms about being idle.
Read In Praise of Idleness
Very true. I do feel lucky thoguh, single child of single child parents. I was NEET for very brief periods, the longest being 10 months but I like to think If I go perma NEET I can manage.
With recession is coming I think I will be at home throughout my 30s. With the loss of youth and acceptance of fate also settling in, I wonder how I would fare as a thirtysomething neet. I find no joy in work, and have no qualms about being idle.
Read In Praise of Idleness
I watched it when I was 19 originally and now I'm fucking 30 and way older than Satou and a NEET. Like another poster said, in real life, you can't just go and get a job because stuff like job gaps and sociability factor in. The original manga author basically just went back to vegging out for a long time because he could live on the royalties. Now that's what I envy.
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I wish there was an episode where Sato gets addicted to online message boards but by the end of it he realizes there's no escape from normalfags/douchebags on the internet or something like that. There's quite a few anime that mentions 5ch, futaba and even 4chan (like Digimon Adventure and Witch Academia). Even NHK shows a 2ch thread during the scene where Sato's crying on the floor and seeing hallucinations of the main characters, and during the suicide arc Hitomi uses a 2ch clone to discuss the offline meeting. Paranoia Agent also mentioned a made up site similar to 2ch in their suicide episode; must've been a real problem in Japan in the 00s.
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>>34403
Here's the afterword he wrote 5 years after the release of the book, where he said he was going to try hard to write better books.
Several years have passed since I wrote, “I still will do my best after this.” I have not done my best. Proof of that is in the fact that I haven’t written a single new story. I’ve been reduced to a NEET, living as a parasite on the royalties from this book.
This may be the result of trauma or something like that. Because of it, I developed a strange disease in my brain. Because of this disease, which causes everything to remind me of the trauma, it makes my brain cry out. It makes my brain cry out each time I try to write a story. My brain always is crying out—and because of that, I have become unable to write stories at all. Because of the terrible fear that I faced when I wrote this book, I no longer want to write stories and have become completely unable to write any. Oh, what a terrible tragedy! For a young and talented (at least, he thinks so) writer to have become incapacitated because he wrote this book!
You must read this now. A rare, dark mystique is hidden in this book, which holds the cursed origins I have explained above. It seems that a comedy manga writer long ago went crazy and often would disappear, but there was likely a ghastly force contained within the work that destroyed him, mentally. Because there must be some similar force within this book, it is a book that I confidently can recommend to anyone. It can even help with home and office communication. This book is optimal as a graft onto discussions like, “Hey, do you know the N.H.K.?” and then, someone will say, “The Nihon Hikikomori Kyokai, right? It’s really funny. But it made me cry a little, too.”
It’s embarrassing to mention something that’s selling so well, but no one knows minor works. One could say that a book around this level is indeed the masterpiece that truly could help everyone’s communication. There are jokes about all sorts of current events included, and it’s extremely useful for helping young people think about the present times. It could even be said that if you read this book, you’ll be able to understand the feelings of young people who live in our society today. Older people will be surprised, thinking, “Oh, really? Young people nowadays are like this?!” And those of the same age as the characters in the book will sympathize, thinking, “I understand! I understand! This sort of thing happens all the time!” and can enjoy reading it. At least, I think this book has as much value as its price. I promise that it would take first place in a ranking of “books that you won’t lose anything by reading.”
I feel not even the slightest pang of guilt over giving you the above sales pitch. That’s the honest-to-God truth, although these are days when I can’t hold onto any sort of conviction that God actually exists.
Let’s get back on track. It’s already spring. It’s already warmed up. Birds come to the tree outside my window. In light of that natural cycle, a deep belief that one day, all my daily troubles will be solved boils up inside my chest.
Identity … Love … Existence … Space … God … The time must come, someday, when we will be granted a final answer regarding these great mysteries. With that warm feeling buried in my heart, I keep living. Hoping that this feeling of gratitude will reach all of you who are reading this work, I now close my laptop.
Tatsuhiko Takimoto
April, 2005
Here's the afterword he wrote 5 years after the release of the book, where he said he was going to try hard to write better books.
Several years have passed since I wrote, “I still will do my best after this.” I have not done my best. Proof of that is in the fact that I haven’t written a single new story. I’ve been reduced to a NEET, living as a parasite on the royalties from this book.
This may be the result of trauma or something like that. Because of it, I developed a strange disease in my brain. Because of this disease, which causes everything to remind me of the trauma, it makes my brain cry out. It makes my brain cry out each time I try to write a story. My brain always is crying out—and because of that, I have become unable to write stories at all. Because of the terrible fear that I faced when I wrote this book, I no longer want to write stories and have become completely unable to write any. Oh, what a terrible tragedy! For a young and talented (at least, he thinks so) writer to have become incapacitated because he wrote this book!
You must read this now. A rare, dark mystique is hidden in this book, which holds the cursed origins I have explained above. It seems that a comedy manga writer long ago went crazy and often would disappear, but there was likely a ghastly force contained within the work that destroyed him, mentally. Because there must be some similar force within this book, it is a book that I confidently can recommend to anyone. It can even help with home and office communication. This book is optimal as a graft onto discussions like, “Hey, do you know the N.H.K.?” and then, someone will say, “The Nihon Hikikomori Kyokai, right? It’s really funny. But it made me cry a little, too.”
It’s embarrassing to mention something that’s selling so well, but no one knows minor works. One could say that a book around this level is indeed the masterpiece that truly could help everyone’s communication. There are jokes about all sorts of current events included, and it’s extremely useful for helping young people think about the present times. It could even be said that if you read this book, you’ll be able to understand the feelings of young people who live in our society today. Older people will be surprised, thinking, “Oh, really? Young people nowadays are like this?!” And those of the same age as the characters in the book will sympathize, thinking, “I understand! I understand! This sort of thing happens all the time!” and can enjoy reading it. At least, I think this book has as much value as its price. I promise that it would take first place in a ranking of “books that you won’t lose anything by reading.”
I feel not even the slightest pang of guilt over giving you the above sales pitch. That’s the honest-to-God truth, although these are days when I can’t hold onto any sort of conviction that God actually exists.
Let’s get back on track. It’s already spring. It’s already warmed up. Birds come to the tree outside my window. In light of that natural cycle, a deep belief that one day, all my daily troubles will be solved boils up inside my chest.
Identity … Love … Existence … Space … God … The time must come, someday, when we will be granted a final answer regarding these great mysteries. With that warm feeling buried in my heart, I keep living. Hoping that this feeling of gratitude will reach all of you who are reading this work, I now close my laptop.
Tatsuhiko Takimoto
April, 2005
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>>34409
>I wish there was an episode where Sato gets addicted to online message boards but by the end of it he realizes there's no escape from normalfags/douchebags on the internet or something like that.
I would rather see him realize that even some of his own fellow losers online are vindictive assholes that just make his life worse and bad company, but trying to post online only to find out you're in a farm for normies to gawk at is also realistic.
>There's quite a few anime that mentions 5ch, futaba
Futaba, I have never seen it mention in anime, I remember talking to a Japanese person online and he said it's pretty obscure and for a niche crowd, and I've lurked it before and know it's pretty slow, while 2ch was something practically everyone and their mother used. But the same is said for Niconico, otakucentric and not the go-to for your Japanese normie, but still huge and influential.
I wish I saved the screencap, there was a scene in Joshiraku where the characters were afraid of making too many ass jokes and it would show fake-2ch screencaps of people calling them "that ass anime", and there was a show from the 00's where the mona SJIS art cats showed up in one episode.
>Paranoia Agent also mentioned a made up site similar to 2ch in their suicide episode; must've been a real problem in Japan in the 00s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2channel#Crime_announcements
>4chan (like Digimon Adventure and Witch Academia).
Shit, really? LWA might make since since I remember /a/ having a hand with its crowdfunding after the first short back in 2012-2013. Digimon is a show I loved as a child and don't know how to feel about 4chan having a mark on it 20 years later.
I remember in 2013, when Watamote was being collected into tankobon, they advertised it as being "popular on the overseas version of 2ch", aka 4chan.
>I wish there was an episode where Sato gets addicted to online message boards but by the end of it he realizes there's no escape from normalfags/douchebags on the internet or something like that.
I would rather see him realize that even some of his own fellow losers online are vindictive assholes that just make his life worse and bad company, but trying to post online only to find out you're in a farm for normies to gawk at is also realistic.
>There's quite a few anime that mentions 5ch, futaba
Futaba, I have never seen it mention in anime, I remember talking to a Japanese person online and he said it's pretty obscure and for a niche crowd, and I've lurked it before and know it's pretty slow, while 2ch was something practically everyone and their mother used. But the same is said for Niconico, otakucentric and not the go-to for your Japanese normie, but still huge and influential.
I wish I saved the screencap, there was a scene in Joshiraku where the characters were afraid of making too many ass jokes and it would show fake-2ch screencaps of people calling them "that ass anime", and there was a show from the 00's where the mona SJIS art cats showed up in one episode.
>Paranoia Agent also mentioned a made up site similar to 2ch in their suicide episode; must've been a real problem in Japan in the 00s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2channel#Crime_announcements
>4chan (like Digimon Adventure and Witch Academia).
Shit, really? LWA might make since since I remember /a/ having a hand with its crowdfunding after the first short back in 2012-2013. Digimon is a show I loved as a child and don't know how to feel about 4chan having a mark on it 20 years later.
I remember in 2013, when Watamote was being collected into tankobon, they advertised it as being "popular on the overseas version of 2ch", aka 4chan.
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There's this phenomena with early 2000s anime outsourced to korea that makes the characters look more "American", or at least how early Heisei era anime designs portrayed Americans. If you still can't form a proper image, just think of every background character in the Boondocks. That one episode of Cowboy Bebop where they parodied the Heaven's Gate cult had background characters that fit the bill perfectly. NHK's also like that, especially in that episode where Sato gets caught up in a cultish pyramid scheme, ironically. Also it's funny, I always watch the show in the Winter/Summer time, and every time I do I find animation errors I never noticed before. Today I noticed this fine Korean quality.
it did nothing for me. just added some more dislike to stuff i liked before by associating it with crab shit. the ending was so fucking god awful. lol just like marry grill. thatll solve your problems.
>>34409
i think there was an imageboard on mob psycho. reigen was getting flamed and pretended to be someone else defending him then got flamed harder.
>>34409
i think there was an imageboard on mob psycho. reigen was getting flamed and pretended to be someone else defending him then got flamed harder.
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>>34468
>there was a show from the 00's where the mona SJIS art cats showed up in one episode.
Nurse Witch Komugi-chan?
>there was a show from the 00's where the mona SJIS art cats showed up in one episode.
Nurse Witch Komugi-chan?
As someone who is a hikikomori and has more mental issues than the MC it was depresing because I felt way more fucked than the MC.
Today I actually played the lullaby song from the show on YT and it nearly made me cry I just remember how life was better even as a hikikomori but this is not a blog post so I will say the novel was better than the anime for hikikomori feels in a way despite the MC being a failed normie and the manga is kind of confusing trash at times but the anime was a good mix of comedy and serious feels however it felt like it had too many plot lines going on at once.
I do not understand why anyone would hate Misaki as well because I relate to her more than Satou for many reasons..
Today I actually played the lullaby song from the show on YT and it nearly made me cry I just remember how life was better even as a hikikomori but this is not a blog post so I will say the novel was better than the anime for hikikomori feels in a way despite the MC being a failed normie and the manga is kind of confusing trash at times but the anime was a good mix of comedy and serious feels however it felt like it had too many plot lines going on at once.
I do not understand why anyone would hate Misaki as well because I relate to her more than Satou for many reasons..
>>35495
>I do not understand why anyone would hate Misaki as well because I relate to her more than Satou for many reasons..
succubi? On my Wizchan? It's more likely than you think.
>I do not understand why anyone would hate Misaki as well because I relate to her more than Satou for many reasons..
succubi? On my Wizchan? It's more likely than you think.
>>35504
I am very much a male in a male body since birth but I relate to Misaki and feel I have similar problems as her and really misaki is literally me.
Misaki only desires to help someone else and live through them I cannot tell you how much I am also like that.
The hate Misaki gets is unfair she has a lot of problems even more than satou who is only socially anxious and lazy.
Reminder that the MC was a hikikomori in the japanese way and not as would be common in the west.
>mental health issues
He was a hikikomori more due to his feeling of failing and withdrew there were no scenes explicitly showing he had an inability to go outside at all.
Miaski self harms and has tried to kill herself while living with abusive family and she wanted a friend she was not a typical succubus.
Reminder that the MC was very crab like and thought lewdly of the MC even falling in love with another hikikomori man in the vidya arc.
Also what the fuck was the vidya MMO arc it was shit I feel strongly that the anime adaption should have had at least 12 episodes per arc or at least not with the additional arc.
The only improvement the anime did as an adaption is clean up the mess of the manga storyline and in some ways the LN itself.
In the LN a lot of different stuff happens including some very confusing scenes it felt like it could have been more fleshed out also reminder that the adaptions are very much toned down because the MC becomes a lolicon in the LN.
Satou being a lolicon makes the creep shot scene make sense but why the hell was he taking pics of young succubi if he was not a lolicon in the anime?
Misaki was the best character and deserved much more love in the story and even more love from all of us.
I am very much a male in a male body since birth but I relate to Misaki and feel I have similar problems as her and really misaki is literally me.
Misaki only desires to help someone else and live through them I cannot tell you how much I am also like that.
The hate Misaki gets is unfair she has a lot of problems even more than satou who is only socially anxious and lazy.
Reminder that the MC was a hikikomori in the japanese way and not as would be common in the west.
>mental health issues
He was a hikikomori more due to his feeling of failing and withdrew there were no scenes explicitly showing he had an inability to go outside at all.
Miaski self harms and has tried to kill herself while living with abusive family and she wanted a friend she was not a typical succubus.
Reminder that the MC was very crab like and thought lewdly of the MC even falling in love with another hikikomori man in the vidya arc.
Also what the fuck was the vidya MMO arc it was shit I feel strongly that the anime adaption should have had at least 12 episodes per arc or at least not with the additional arc.
The only improvement the anime did as an adaption is clean up the mess of the manga storyline and in some ways the LN itself.
In the LN a lot of different stuff happens including some very confusing scenes it felt like it could have been more fleshed out also reminder that the adaptions are very much toned down because the MC becomes a lolicon in the LN.
Satou being a lolicon makes the creep shot scene make sense but why the hell was he taking pics of young succubi if he was not a lolicon in the anime?
Misaki was the best character and deserved much more love in the story and even more love from all of us.
The anime was actually toned down hard compared to the novel, in the novel Satou uses actual drugs and it seems way more desperate at times when in the anime it was mostly played by laughs, and Yamazaki while being 2D obsessed too is a full blown pedophile actually giving Child Porn (not anime loli but real 3D CP) to Satou and satou downloading tons of CP from the internet, this was back in 2003 or so, today the novel wouldn't be published, actually the editorial went bankrupt.
There are more differences, the novel is very different at times, it's sometimes weird because of that, Hitomi was an afterthought in the novel with a single paragraph mentioning her, I don't even remember if the author named her, and the online game and multilevel sales shit doesn't exist in the novel.
The anime is quite entertaining, I liked the online game arc and Yamazaki is more likeable in the anime too, he's stupid a hypocrite traitor bastard that abandons 2D for 3DPD though.
I wonder how satou would be in 2021, probably he would be a normalfag like everyone else, too bad that no one will ever make a sequel.
There are more differences, the novel is very different at times, it's sometimes weird because of that, Hitomi was an afterthought in the novel with a single paragraph mentioning her, I don't even remember if the author named her, and the online game and multilevel sales shit doesn't exist in the novel.
The anime is quite entertaining, I liked the online game arc and Yamazaki is more likeable in the anime too, he's stupid a hypocrite traitor bastard that abandons 2D for 3DPD though.
I wonder how satou would be in 2021, probably he would be a normalfag like everyone else, too bad that no one will ever make a sequel.
>>28060
The novel is not really that good though, it gets confusing and boring at times, only the ocassional otaku references save it when it gets bad, the anime on the other hand is very entertaining.
The ending makes even less sense in the novel.
The novel is not really that good though, it gets confusing and boring at times, only the ocassional otaku references save it when it gets bad, the anime on the other hand is very entertaining.
The ending makes even less sense in the novel.
>>35522
100 the amnag and anime toned it down a lot and it really does get confusing some times like when Satou takes a bunch of DMT and we have a chapter or two of him tripping balls but it was ok.
Satou even in the book never seemed to be very near the edge of suicide it could have been much more bleak for my liking.
I felt like the anime,novel,manga had some serious flaws and we often overlook them or at least appear to because it is one of the only media about being a hikikomori most of us have consumed.
The anime was a good watch the gaming arc was fun the MLM arc was a bit of a mess and plain stupid if you aks me.
The anime is so much more of a mess I did not even finish it to be honest I read a great deal of it though.
I wish we had a more well polished bleak hikikomori book I would like Inino Asino to make a manga about this topic he can actually do well with something like this but seems he is busy doing his cutesy style and from what I read he may have moved on from bleak depressing manga.
100 the amnag and anime toned it down a lot and it really does get confusing some times like when Satou takes a bunch of DMT and we have a chapter or two of him tripping balls but it was ok.
Satou even in the book never seemed to be very near the edge of suicide it could have been much more bleak for my liking.
I felt like the anime,novel,manga had some serious flaws and we often overlook them or at least appear to because it is one of the only media about being a hikikomori most of us have consumed.
The anime was a good watch the gaming arc was fun the MLM arc was a bit of a mess and plain stupid if you aks me.
The anime is so much more of a mess I did not even finish it to be honest I read a great deal of it though.
I wish we had a more well polished bleak hikikomori book I would like Inino Asino to make a manga about this topic he can actually do well with something like this but seems he is busy doing his cutesy style and from what I read he may have moved on from bleak depressing manga.