At the very core of normie societies' moral fiber lies a tension between participation and toleration. Many many normies base their morality off of the participation side. I've come to realize this when i watched videos of NEETs getting yelled at by their parents in 2017 (all of which have mysteriously been shoah'd off the internet except NEET louis) where NEETs were being 'talked to' (interrogated, belittled, tormented) by their yelling parents and in the comments most, about 75% of the comments were on the parent's side saying the NEET was awful and how they would beat them or kick them out or force them to participate in society wheres the rest were sympathizing with the clearly defenseless, scared NEETs.
This participation based morality is responsible for a lot of the ridiculous things normies do. This is the reason why normies see being quiet as an offense or something thats wrong with you. Participation is so deeply rooted in them as an integral part of being a good person to the point where if you aren't bending over backwards for them all the time you are actively offending them. The toleration side encapsulates libertarian principles like freedom and going your own way. Minding your own business and letting others choose what they want to do are moral points in the toleration side. Nobody is trying to control anyone and tell them what to do. It's clear the toleration side is better. Participation side is founded off of insecurity, over attachment to people and vain ambitions socially. The toleration side is founded off of mutual respect for everyone's ways of life as well as differences with the core principle being freedom from control of a higher power which includes the herd.
>The toleration side encapsulates libertarian principles like freedom and going your own way. I wish western society was more like this. Seems like it has become an Orwellian hellscape with emphasis on mass conformity, especially post-COVID.
>>179496 Society used to be like this. I’m old enough to know 100% without a doubt that it was social media and cellphones that did this. Everyone has become so vicious and aggressive. Referring back to the OP’s point, I have seen people literally RAGE at anyone who can’t (or just doesn’t) keep up with them. It’s not enough to participate, you have a DUTY to be a literal punching bag if you aren’t at the same level they are (IE able to match their neurotypical banter, be around the same height, get succubi, play sports, healthy enough to go to school with them, allowed by your parents to party with them. And many other examples). And if you refuse to be their ounching bag? They set out to destroy you, together, as a group.
Also i’ve noticed that normscum have this sub-communication they all have together. Like for example if one normalfag knows you’re bottom weung but another new normalfag just got there and doesnt know that you are, the first nornalfag will give this little “snicker” and dart his eyes from you to the other one. Then the second normalfag will get this look of “ “oooooh I get it! Teehee” And the new normalfag will join the first one to bully you forever then onwards.
>>179502 Sometimes I dream of having the ability to make their lives hell while preventing them from communicating any signs of pain. Like, just by focusing on a certain norm I can make them feel molten iron running through their veins, but when they try to tell anyone they can't and are forced to smile. I want to set them on fire I want to see them rolling in agony. I want to see those blank, empty stupid smiles on their cattle-like faces vanish and contort as they go through every possible torture imaginable
>>179533 Merchants rule the world and this is one of the greatest signs that we live in the Kali Yuga. In feudal Japan merchants were the lowest caste, beneath even peasants, because they produce nothing, create nothing, offer no services. All they do is take what others have created and sell it somewhere else
Male samurai would place their wives in charge of all the finances, because it was beneath them to concern themselves with money. A samurai was concerned only with honor and service to his liege lord
We've slowly slid into the blackest depths of the Kali Yuga over the last 1000 years as bankers have taken over the world, replacing, enslaving and overthrowing all of the existing monarchies. Now most of the world worships money
>>179502 Society did used to be different but what I said in the OP is universal and timeless. There was no better time for wizards. >>179504 Sounds cliche but it makes you no better than them. Morality is 100% subjective, they think they have the right, are in the right so they torment you. Although I do appreciate the ant normie sentiment. Morality is for people who dont understand wisdom.
>>179535 Very interested in eastern philosophy I read and saved the book guide posted here earlier if that was posted by yourself is that the best way to go about reading about all this interesting stuff?
What particularly enrages me is the punching bag part. They think that you should be allowed to be confident unless they give you "permission" to be - and of course that permission I see given and withheld based on whether or not you have the right physical/social markers. Nothing seems to enrage them more than you being confident and self-assured in their presence without their approval - without playing the same game and jumping through the same hoops that they had to.
You're expected to submit to proudly accept the role of clown/omega of the group. If you don't they try to break you down until you do, and they can get shockingly violent and direct in their attempt so on do so. Nothing seems to work normies up to a fever pitch of ferocity like the guy in the corner, silently minding his own business and not acknowledging them.
>>179537 Heh yeah that was me, I didn't know I stick out that much. That reading guide I made is more or less the exact order I progressed in, and it's an order that would likely be useful to most people as well. You should feel completely free to read whatever interests you though. If something is too boring, skip it. One of my absolute favorites is the Aghora series on the bottom of the chart, though it might be too heavy for someone not familiar with the basics
One of my favorite ways to read is reading a dense book at the same time as a light book, so I can alternate between intense study and light engaging reading. Often this means a scripture or educational text and a story-type text at the same time
>>179539 This happens in all social collectives without anonymity though if you have ever been in loser groups online you see the exact same thing happening a pecking order will be established. You can have the biggest losers all grouped together who suffered extreme bullying and they will all unconsciously choose someone to bully and when the victim leaves there will be a brief period where there is no bullying but a new order is being established and very shortly someone new takes the place of the loser that is designated to be picked on by the entire group, You have to realize that the things normalfags at large do in society are the exact same thing nearly all of us would do. >Nothing seems to enrage them more than you being confident and self-assured in their presence without their approval - Not always the case I have seen how normalfags will see you being confident despite looking crazy and having the marker of a loser and will submit to you or try to avoid you out of some form of fear as it terrifies them that someone is breaking the rules and showing confidence. I am not sure if people who look unattractive will get similar results though.
>>179541 >Not always the case I have seen how normalfags will see you being confident despite looking crazy and having the marker of a loser and will submit to you or try to avoid you out of some form of fear as it terrifies them that someone is breaking the rules and showing confidence. I am not sure if people who look unattractive will get similar results though This is why wizards should lift weights. At my current job sometimes a pack of coworkers will form outside, some males and some succubi, even with a guy that's been clocked out for more than an hour. They'll all smoke week together out there. The most I interact with them is the most shallow of pleasantries only when they initiate it, but beyond that it's ignoring and dismissing them. Absolutely none of them give me a hard time because I've been lifting weights hard for the past 15 years and I have 100 pounds of muscle on all of them
>>179541 > happens in all collectives, even online I'm well aware. Although I disagree that "all of us would do that"; speaking for myself I don't behave that way because either an innate or acquired sensitivity and self-consciousnesses would prohibit me. I think Normies behave this way not because they are consciously aware that someone needs to be the loser, but out of a subconscious instinct to socially dominate and avoid being dominated. Of course when you call them out on it they will always saythey were "just joking". (Yet somehow they always seem to know who they can "joke" with and who not to)
I suspect (or probably read somewhere about wolves) that groups take out the hatred and anger they have for eachother by designating someone as a punching bag. Like when men beat their wives because their boss chewed them out at work. The LotG is actually a social utility which benefits overall group cohesion.
>>179535 Merchants were not the lowest caste wtf are you talking about. The butchers, tanners, etc, they were seen as the dirtied and impure even though they did very much real skills that were very much needed.
>>179488 >This is the reason why normies see being quiet as an offense or something thats wrong with you. Participation is so deeply rooted in them as an integral part of being a good person to the point where if you aren't bending over backwards for them all the time you are actively offending them.
I'm a 34 year old Japanese man surrounded by whites and Mexicans. I just know the whites in OP's picture at that dinner table are "guffawing loudly." Japanese men just don't guffaw in public all that much, Japanese men mostly just talk when they have something to say. Japanese men don't play this game of "who can talk the loudest? Who can be the most obnoxious?" As a result, I never get invited anywhere, a lot of whites just flat out refuse to talk to me.
I'm a NEET because of COVID, I lost my job in March 8, 2020 and have been on unemployment ever since. Even though I make a lot of money on unemployment- my Japanese workaholic mother and sister hate me for that. They want me to work just for the sake of working. Both of them make a lot of money, yet choose to live a life of poverty. They never go to restaurants, they wear rags, they never leave the house unless its to buy food or work.
>>179547 I've heard that its less common in foreign countries, especially japan. In America (if thats where you are) we are obliged to enjoy, if you aren't smiling ear to ear at all times you are seen as weird. I believe this is responsible for a lot of the mental illness in this country, always needing to be happy even when you are not. But still normalfags being pricks is universal.
>>179548 Yes I live in the US in the Central Valley of California. I've been told for a long time that I was a "defective white person." But as I got older into my 30's, I just realized that I was a pretty normal Japanese man surrounded by whites and Mexicans. I've tried so hard to get along with whites, I just can't do it. I give up.
>>179550 >California literally the most normie state. by far, i hope it gets hit by a meteor. Most of the US is 2nd world tier in its own way. Not just with the crumbling infrastructure and crime rates. But the way everything is built around the automobile where you are stranded if you don't have a car, the tensions between people, even amongst whites and blacks who have been living together for hundreds of years in the U.S. Mexico used to be safer than the U.S Before all the drug cartel shit happened. If you don't live in the big cities like new york, san fransico, etc you pretty much live in a 2nd world enclave. America is stuck socioeconomically in the 80-90s.
>>179542 They probably just think you are weird so do not interact which is no disrespect to you we are all weird. People even normies espcially normies tend to just feel sorry for me and be nice to me. >>179547 Can you elaborate on the culture difference a little more assuming you are from japan or even just go into detail on what the nomries there seem to expect from people?
>>179547 >Japanese men just don't guffaw in public all that much, Japanese men mostly just talk when they have something to say. Japanese men don't play this game of "who can talk the loudest? Who can be the most obnoxious?" Absolutely based. I wonder where this cultural silence grew from, perhaps Mahayana Buddhist influence over the region, or it could be simply stem from genetics. I've grown up in the deep American south, and the blacks here are universally far more obnoxious than the whites
A lot of Confucian types believe in "harmony" which means not expressing extreme emotions. Guffawing and playing the game of "who can talk the loudest?" are considered extreme emotions. You do tend to see more extreme emotion from Southeast Asians than Confucian Japan and China. > Harmony is achieved when emotions are present, but at the appropriate levels (Fu, 2012;Sundararajan, 2015). Too strong emotions, such as an outburst of frustration, can break the harmony of self-regulation that allows individuals to control how internal thoughts and emotions are appropriately expressed in particular social situations. …
I've been to both Japanese and White Christian churches in the US. They are different. Interrupting the speaker saying things like "Amen, Hallelujah" are common in white churches. You just don't see that in Japanese churches. Japanese people tend to take turns speaking and have a lot of respect for educational figures. You'd never see a bunch of Japanese people dancing on desks like that.
>>179557 I have noticed how americans tend to talk over each other it does not allow for critical thinking to be vaued during laymen public discourse and what is odd is how some countries even when people are yelling at each other they let each other take turns talking normally.
>>179502 Human Pigs like animal farm, they cannibalize if you don't conform to their hierarchical structure basically they're the oppressors pretending to be victims.
>>179542 >>179541 >>179539 You guys are fucking retarded, this is social darwinism on steroids with copes likes just lift brah. Ant colonies etc, group conditioning. Muh Freewill.
Go MGTOW, wizards are a meme be a man, it's just a little bit of bullying, projection of insecurities it's just your observer there's no self just natural selection winners and losers, and you're fools for playing.
>>179557 White churches vary dramatically. There's Apollonian style churches that are very somber, quiet and respectful (Catholic, Orthodox, Mormon). Then you have the Dionysian style churches with singing and shouting (Baptist), and the most extreme examples where they speak in tongues and do faith healings (Pentecostal)
>>179571 >degeneration of genetics yes, thoughtful introspective people don't want to conceive offspring that would have to endure life in this Mordor.
>>179583 this. MGTOW, crabs and the likes are failed normies. They want to be normie but have failed. A normie only knows 1 thing. sex. Go to /r9k/ and look at whats there. take a good long painful look. Thats what this place will become if people like this ever get a presence here. Trust me they outnumber us roughly 900 to 1. This place will become a sewage dump for failed normies and their variants. crabs, transgenders, furries, bronies, mgtow. All are normies who have failed to be socially successful. But a normie is still a normie. so what will they post about? Sex, relationships and nothing else. It will just be sex sex sex. Back to /r9k/, thats all you see. every day with no end. /r9k/ is like a failed wizchan. it found itself with a wizard and wizard apprentice (they called themselves robots but it meant the same thing) population. Now its easily the worst board on that site.
That won't happen here though. Scream as loud as you want you can't stop a normie invasion. Since this place has rules against normalfaggots it can't happen.
>>179603 when it comes to the community it really comes down to how much they let them post normalfag shit. If you start playing along with them, using their lingo, replying to their threads with anything other than fuck off, making threads like theirs then it would catch on like a forest fire and dessimate this place.
>>179630 >>179631 succubi are definately above chads. don't want to get all mgtow i*cel here but succubi have a lot more social power and influence than chads and tyrones. Also wizards don't fit in here. they are outside this hierarchy.
>>179644 all but one sole survivor, the harrowing tale of NEET louis has been taken down about 4 times. But it has survived. PTSD warning https://youtu.be/H2dm4_cIxFQ
>>179651 Thats the only thing we've ever seen or heard from lewwwieeee. I think he mentioned discord somewhere in there so he must have had a small group of online friends. There has been no news of NEET louis since this video, there was none even before. This is the only piece of evidence that he even exists. he's definitely either still NEET, a wagie or dead. The dad also mentioned overwatch so this video was circa 2016-2019 probably.
>>179655 >>179657 The man shouting at Louis wasn't his dad it was just some bloke his mother was dating at the time, he was trying to asset his authority and push his way into their lives by bullying Louis.
>>179660 I don't know 100% but strongly inferred from the recording. he never once refers to Louis as his son and instead calls him "this young man" or "this young fella" or "basket case" which is very oddly formal language, an English father doesn't refer to his son in that way even when he is angry.
>>179554 I don't think the "obnoxious gene" is specifically tied to ethnicity since black wizzies exist and i know one personally myself as well of plenty of obnoxious white normalcattle or whatever but it's possible that it is statistically more common in some ethnicites than others much like other traits.
>>179594 What the hell? A crab can'tbe a normalfag because normalfags have sex,and crabs can't get sex. Do you even know what a normalfag is?If you mean failednormalfag is a virgin, then isn't that what wizards are supposed to be? I guess I'm a 33 yr old failed normalfag then, don't care.
>>179778 The crab is a normalfag or failed normalfag as they aspire to be a nomralfag and fit in whilst the wizard not only does not desire sex he also wants no part of fitting in as he does not want to not that he is unable to and in some ways te same goes for sex.
A crab will do no fap and all these other strange things in order to "improve" themselves and be able to participate in society whilst a wizard is content to be alone and observe or partake in hobbies that do not require being social at least in the meat space.
>>179778 The defining feature from which all other aspects of being a normalfag comes from is the desire to sociallize. I think you should go to /r9k/ or somethingn if you just want to talk about succubi and sex all day.
I thought i explained it pretty well why crabs are just failed normalfags, If you are calling yourself a failed normalfag then you were one to begin with.
>>179788 It’s cause no one here is a wizard. So they have to choose a strawman to continually bash so as to make themselves feel like wizards when they are not.
I don't think what you're saying is true. Sure, people that live in a common society tend to share common morals, but this is because they consume the same media, they get the same education and they speak a common language, not because they do it to fit in. If you took someone from a modern day western country and you made them travel back in time to the middle ages they wouldn't adopt the ideology of the time. They might hide their ideas out of fear, but they would think like 21st century people until the day they die. The reason those people were attacking the NEET was because they saw him as a leech, not because that's the "right" thing to think. If you moved them into a society that embraced neetdom they would disagree with its morals.
>>180384 >If you took someone from a modern day western country and you made them travel back in time to the middle ages they wouldn't adopt the ideology of the time. I'm not so sure. One of the main things I've taken from normalfags is that they don't really have any firm beliefs in anything and will whole heatedly adopt whatever ideology is socially advantageous in the moment.
>>179502 > Also i’ve noticed that normscum have this sub-communication they all have together. Like for example if one normalfag knows you’re bottom weung but another new normalfag just got there and doesnt know that you are, the first nornalfag will give this little “snicker” and dart his eyes from you to the other one. Then the second normalfag will get this look of “ “oooooh I get it! Teehee” And the new normalfag will join the first one to bully you forever then onwards. that's precisely what I have experienced throughout life, this "snickering" and "oh I get it teehee" business.
>>179551 Well, majority of them took that lethal jab, so… All i can wish them most slow and agonizing death possible, don't want them be just dead like you, i want them to suffer greatly.