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I'm not religious, but I frequently see myself pondering about it. Every time I'm around (truly) religious people I feel at ease. I don't call myself Christian because I find the Christian theology hard to believe, as many other religions, but following Christian morals seems to lead to a truly happy life. (Truly following, not using as a pretext for prejudice and aggression as many others do). I remember very well some simple and Christian people I've met, they were so pure they made me jealous, I felt like a degenerate near them, those people would never imagine something like "hentai" existed, lol.
Note that I'm talking about Christianity just because I live in a Christian country, I'm aware lots of religions share the same values as the Christian morals.
Note that I'm talking about Christianity just because I live in a Christian country, I'm aware lots of religions share the same values as the Christian morals.
i have lost my mind around or afar from religious people.
usually sunday feels like a chore because people just drags me there and also the social pressure that comes with it where "if yer not thisn then you are that one" which is so fuckinf whatever
eventually i kinda lost it with all these social pressure and ingenuity and demands they add on me and i just rralize nobody loves nobody other than benefits and the whole has always been burning and will forever burn deservingly per the eternal design and i am content that it will knowing everyone is going to be fucked no matter what
usually sunday feels like a chore because people just drags me there and also the social pressure that comes with it where "if yer not thisn then you are that one" which is so fuckinf whatever
eventually i kinda lost it with all these social pressure and ingenuity and demands they add on me and i just rralize nobody loves nobody other than benefits and the whole has always been burning and will forever burn deservingly per the eternal design and i am content that it will knowing everyone is going to be fucked no matter what
Not degenerate, but soulless and broken, I don't see value in my life and find it a bit of a farce.
no. Masturbation and hentai are TrueWiz's gifts to the wizard apprentice. Christianity is dumb.
You romanticize christian morals and people in general. Those people you've met who seemed pure might not know what hentai is but they know what it is like to cheat on your husband/wife and things like that. Purity is a meme, nobody is pure, actually Christianity teaches this too with the 'everyone is a sinner' stuff but people always disregard this part of religion.
Sounds like you just want good feels and want to cling to an idealistic view of things instead of actual spirituality, morals or deepness. Anyway, religions and morals are for dumb people, for normalfags, not for people like us.
Sounds like you just want good feels and want to cling to an idealistic view of things instead of actual spirituality, morals or deepness. Anyway, religions and morals are for dumb people, for normalfags, not for people like us.
>>182272
>religions and morals are for dumb people, for normalfags, not for people like us.
>morals are for dumb people, for normalfags
Only on Wizchan I find stupid posts like this
>religions and morals are for dumb people, for normalfags, not for people like us.
>morals are for dumb people, for normalfags
Only on Wizchan I find stupid posts like this
>>182277
Wait a second, why are you trying to force christian morality onto others?
It does not imply absolute morality in any way.
There are many things prohibited in christianity which are completely ok elsewhere. It's a garbage belief system, though every religion is.
Wait a second, why are you trying to force christian morality onto others?
It does not imply absolute morality in any way.
There are many things prohibited in christianity which are completely ok elsewhere. It's a garbage belief system, though every religion is.
>>182277
Why would a social outcast, outsider or generally a lone wolf subscribe to any ready-made morality that was designed to keep the masses in check mainly? I mean, seriously. Why would you let some priest or politician, guru or whoever the hell tell you what is right and wrong? Are you a succubus or a normalfag?
Moralfags can never comprehend individuality or free-thinking.
Why would a social outcast, outsider or generally a lone wolf subscribe to any ready-made morality that was designed to keep the masses in check mainly? I mean, seriously. Why would you let some priest or politician, guru or whoever the hell tell you what is right and wrong? Are you a succubus or a normalfag?
Moralfags can never comprehend individuality or free-thinking.
>>182281
you can be an individual and moral. Saying morality is dumb and for normalfag is the stupid thing.
you can be an individual and moral. Saying morality is dumb and for normalfag is the stupid thing.
>>182282
Morality is always designed for non-individuals, for the sheep. I do what I want, I don't care what others think about me morally or otherwise. You shouldn't care about this thing either, if you have any intelligence.
Morality is always designed for non-individuals, for the sheep. I do what I want, I don't care what others think about me morally or otherwise. You shouldn't care about this thing either, if you have any intelligence.
>>182285
No, I mean actual morality. Like christian morality, for example. If you "follow your heart", "just listen to your conscience" then you are the same as me, amoral.
>>182286
What will you do about it? Hurting myself is my business, hurting other people is justified as long as it seems right to me, personally. If I could get away with it and wanted to, then I would kill or harm others as much as it pleased me. I'm not a child anymore, I learned that morality is always made to benefit a certain group of persons better than others. Some people are more equal than others, it would seem.
No, I mean actual morality. Like christian morality, for example. If you "follow your heart", "just listen to your conscience" then you are the same as me, amoral.
>>182286
What will you do about it? Hurting myself is my business, hurting other people is justified as long as it seems right to me, personally. If I could get away with it and wanted to, then I would kill or harm others as much as it pleased me. I'm not a child anymore, I learned that morality is always made to benefit a certain group of persons better than others. Some people are more equal than others, it would seem.
>>182287
> hurting other people is justified as long as it seems right to me, personally. If I could get away with it and wanted to, then I would kill or harm others as much as it pleased me
Yes, I know you would. Just a reminder for you that wizards can't be psychopathic niggers.
> hurting other people is justified as long as it seems right to me, personally. If I could get away with it and wanted to, then I would kill or harm others as much as it pleased me
Yes, I know you would. Just a reminder for you that wizards can't be psychopathic niggers.
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>>182284
>Morality is always designed for non-individuals, for the sheep. I do what I want, I don't care what others think about me morally or otherwise. You shouldn't care about this thing either, if you have any intelligence.
>Morality is always designed for non-individuals, for the sheep. I do what I want, I don't care what others think about me morally or otherwise. You shouldn't care about this thing either, if you have any intelligence.
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>>182291
Egoism is the pseud rationalization of the quintessential normalfag philosophy, hedonism. Eat, sex, pleasuremax, die. Nobody thought normals were very sophisticated, and none of them are.
Egoism is the pseud rationalization of the quintessential normalfag philosophy, hedonism. Eat, sex, pleasuremax, die. Nobody thought normals were very sophisticated, and none of them are.
>>182299
if you do something that doesnt interest you, it's not difficult to view that thing as bad and try to figure out ways to avoid it, ways to do the things that interest you instead. you dont necessarily need to be interested in fucking or sex or interacting with other people, hedonism isn't some magical endgame of egoism
if you do something that doesnt interest you, it's not difficult to view that thing as bad and try to figure out ways to avoid it, ways to do the things that interest you instead. you dont necessarily need to be interested in fucking or sex or interacting with other people, hedonism isn't some magical endgame of egoism
>>182301
That "philosophy" in its simplest term is "I do what I want." It is no more or less the answer you would receive from any random normal on the street, and no more or less than what they put into practice if they were to say something else.
A zealot whose interest is in forcing his code of conduct onto others doesn't really care which "spook" he uses to justify it, and in the same manner no person with a strong desire to maximize his positive empathetic reactions or minimize his own negative empathetic reactions really cares which "spook" he uses to justify his "morality."
It really doesn't matter whether you define goals or desires egocentrically or not, unless you care about the absolutely pointless endeavor of getting people to use different wording to describe the same thing. (I'm doing what I want to do.)
>>182302
>Morals are abstract concepts that don't exist in reality.
They are as real as a human, a bear, or a pile of sand. Unless you take your subjectivism to its logical conclusion and realize that all definitions including descriptions of physical realities are abstract, subjective, and non-real.
That "philosophy" in its simplest term is "I do what I want." It is no more or less the answer you would receive from any random normal on the street, and no more or less than what they put into practice if they were to say something else.
A zealot whose interest is in forcing his code of conduct onto others doesn't really care which "spook" he uses to justify it, and in the same manner no person with a strong desire to maximize his positive empathetic reactions or minimize his own negative empathetic reactions really cares which "spook" he uses to justify his "morality."
It really doesn't matter whether you define goals or desires egocentrically or not, unless you care about the absolutely pointless endeavor of getting people to use different wording to describe the same thing. (I'm doing what I want to do.)
>>182302
>Morals are abstract concepts that don't exist in reality.
They are as real as a human, a bear, or a pile of sand. Unless you take your subjectivism to its logical conclusion and realize that all definitions including descriptions of physical realities are abstract, subjective, and non-real.
>>182288
Since when did wizards have to be idiots, good and moral people who put the well-being of others above their own? Maybe you should learn a thing or two from those "psychopathic niggers", mainly how to enjoy life, instead of hating on amoral persons out of envy.
>>182299
There is no normalfag philosophy, sorry. Even if hedonism+egoism was the normalfag philosophy (which it isn't, by the way), it would be retarded to label it as wrong. Do you label yourself wrong and do you think living for yourself is a bad thing? Self-hatred at its finest, you are a sick masohistic person in that case. Why, pray tell, would you live for the sake of some collective when that collective shits on you again and again? Stop being a cuck, you only make yourself look extremely laughable and pathetic.
>>182338
Not really, morals are abstract concepts, not flesh and blood living things or not even existing but not-living things like rocks. They only exist in your head and in your mental gymnastics. You confuse the ideal with the real, a common mistake even nowadays among most of the population.
Since when did wizards have to be idiots, good and moral people who put the well-being of others above their own? Maybe you should learn a thing or two from those "psychopathic niggers", mainly how to enjoy life, instead of hating on amoral persons out of envy.
>>182299
There is no normalfag philosophy, sorry. Even if hedonism+egoism was the normalfag philosophy (which it isn't, by the way), it would be retarded to label it as wrong. Do you label yourself wrong and do you think living for yourself is a bad thing? Self-hatred at its finest, you are a sick masohistic person in that case. Why, pray tell, would you live for the sake of some collective when that collective shits on you again and again? Stop being a cuck, you only make yourself look extremely laughable and pathetic.
>>182338
Not really, morals are abstract concepts, not flesh and blood living things or not even existing but not-living things like rocks. They only exist in your head and in your mental gymnastics. You confuse the ideal with the real, a common mistake even nowadays among most of the population.
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>>182356
History seems to disagree with you. The normalfag ideology has been for the most part of history always something like "live for the collective, place God/the State/the nation before your individual needs etc"
"I only care about myself fuck the rest" - normals don't think like this, are you retarded? Even the most egoistic criminals have people they care about, people for whom they would sacrifice themselves for. True egoism is extremely rare, because normals are animals who can only think along the lines of collectivism and groups.
History seems to disagree with you. The normalfag ideology has been for the most part of history always something like "live for the collective, place God/the State/the nation before your individual needs etc"
"I only care about myself fuck the rest" - normals don't think like this, are you retarded? Even the most egoistic criminals have people they care about, people for whom they would sacrifice themselves for. True egoism is extremely rare, because normals are animals who can only think along the lines of collectivism and groups.
>>182357
>Even the most egoistic criminals have people they care about, people for whom they would sacrifice themselves for
Bullshit you can't prove.
>Even the most egoistic criminals have people they care about, people for whom they would sacrifice themselves for
Bullshit you can't prove.
>>182358
This is the part where you expect me to link some meme-study? But it is true, either way. Even the most psychopathic persons have friends, lovers, children they care about. People who only care about themselves or mostly about themselves are a rare breed, they are called unusual, uncommon, cold hearted, they are the true leaders and superior persons the human species exists for. People like me. People like you, who don't have what it takes to be an egoist, are made to serve people like me. This is the nature of things.
This is the part where you expect me to link some meme-study? But it is true, either way. Even the most psychopathic persons have friends, lovers, children they care about. People who only care about themselves or mostly about themselves are a rare breed, they are called unusual, uncommon, cold hearted, they are the true leaders and superior persons the human species exists for. People like me. People like you, who don't have what it takes to be an egoist, are made to serve people like me. This is the nature of things.
>>182354
>(which it isn't, by the way)
It is the only philosophy they can be said to practice. A normalfag does what he believes will benefit himself the most.
>Why, pray tell, would you live for the sake of some collective when that collective shits on you again and again? Stop being a cuck, you only make yourself look extremely laughable and pathetic.
I'm not sure if I'm supposed to care about looking pathetic. You sound like an edgy tweenager that got bullied a little too hard.
>Not really, morals are abstract concepts, not flesh and blood living things or not even existing but not-living things like rocks. They only exist in your head and in your mental gymnastics. You confuse the ideal with the real, a common mistake even nowadays among most of the population.
Just because the concept of something like a human is more intuitive to your mind doesn't make it more real. At what point does a mass of atoms, subatomic particles, energy, or whatever else become a human? When does a pile become a heap? When does dust become a rock? When we talk about such things we make distinctions that do not in reality exist.
An entirely objective viewer would see anything we perceive purely as distributions of energy with complex systems(that you would call humans) merely being the obvious effects of a line of antecednt events.
>>182359
Sorry milord, you're right. I wasn't aware you were the supreme uberman.
>(which it isn't, by the way)
It is the only philosophy they can be said to practice. A normalfag does what he believes will benefit himself the most.
>Why, pray tell, would you live for the sake of some collective when that collective shits on you again and again? Stop being a cuck, you only make yourself look extremely laughable and pathetic.
I'm not sure if I'm supposed to care about looking pathetic. You sound like an edgy tweenager that got bullied a little too hard.
>Not really, morals are abstract concepts, not flesh and blood living things or not even existing but not-living things like rocks. They only exist in your head and in your mental gymnastics. You confuse the ideal with the real, a common mistake even nowadays among most of the population.
Just because the concept of something like a human is more intuitive to your mind doesn't make it more real. At what point does a mass of atoms, subatomic particles, energy, or whatever else become a human? When does a pile become a heap? When does dust become a rock? When we talk about such things we make distinctions that do not in reality exist.
An entirely objective viewer would see anything we perceive purely as distributions of energy with complex systems(that you would call humans) merely being the obvious effects of a line of antecednt events.
>>182359
Sorry milord, you're right. I wasn't aware you were the supreme uberman.
>>182366
No, like I elaborated above, collectivism is usually the normalfag ideology. It was in the past and still is, egoism is seen as something negative nowadays too.
>I'm not sure if I'm supposed to care about looking pathetic. You sound like an edgy tweenager that got bullied a little too hard.
You should care, though. You want to live life like a cuck? Your decision, but don't bitch about people abusing you and treating you like a loser or an idiot, because that is what you are at the end of the day. It is not about "edge", it is about finally growing up and realizing that life isn't a Disney movie.
>just because…
What worthless sophism, mental gymnastics and wordplays. And yet we are still left with the facts that morals only matter as long as you give them credit, believe in them and therefore make yourself a slave to them. You are a masohistic coward, who always feels the need to appear as "right" or "just" by following some ideology, because you are too afraid to serve yourself. Have fun chasing ideals, ghosts, concepts and spooks.
>>182371
I am one of the few who are sane in a world of insanity. I guess that makes me crazy in a way.
No, like I elaborated above, collectivism is usually the normalfag ideology. It was in the past and still is, egoism is seen as something negative nowadays too.
>I'm not sure if I'm supposed to care about looking pathetic. You sound like an edgy tweenager that got bullied a little too hard.
You should care, though. You want to live life like a cuck? Your decision, but don't bitch about people abusing you and treating you like a loser or an idiot, because that is what you are at the end of the day. It is not about "edge", it is about finally growing up and realizing that life isn't a Disney movie.
>just because…
What worthless sophism, mental gymnastics and wordplays. And yet we are still left with the facts that morals only matter as long as you give them credit, believe in them and therefore make yourself a slave to them. You are a masohistic coward, who always feels the need to appear as "right" or "just" by following some ideology, because you are too afraid to serve yourself. Have fun chasing ideals, ghosts, concepts and spooks.
>>182371
I am one of the few who are sane in a world of insanity. I guess that makes me crazy in a way.
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>>182366
>Just because the concept of something like a human is more intuitive to your mind doesn't make it more real. At what point does a mass of atoms, subatomic particles, energy, or whatever else become a human? When does a pile become a heap? When does dust become a rock? When we talk about such things we make distinctions that do not in reality exist.
>An entirely objective viewer would see anything we perceive purely as distributions of energy with complex systems(that you would call humans) merely being the obvious effects of a line of antecednt events.
You could summarize that as "identity arises from difference". A table neither has an identity or partakes in transcendent categories of tableness, but what we call its identity arises from processes that resolve the field of difference.
Here's the confusion between you and the other wiz: morality is usually defined in the old way, where what's right is what's categorically good. The way to resolve this confusion is to make a distinction between morality and ethics. An ethics that is immanent, e.g. "how should I approach this situation?", is entirely reconcilable with your view and makes no moral prescriptions. You could even say an ethics is an aesthetic to the extent it's a "style of living".
>Just because the concept of something like a human is more intuitive to your mind doesn't make it more real. At what point does a mass of atoms, subatomic particles, energy, or whatever else become a human? When does a pile become a heap? When does dust become a rock? When we talk about such things we make distinctions that do not in reality exist.
>An entirely objective viewer would see anything we perceive purely as distributions of energy with complex systems(that you would call humans) merely being the obvious effects of a line of antecednt events.
You could summarize that as "identity arises from difference". A table neither has an identity or partakes in transcendent categories of tableness, but what we call its identity arises from processes that resolve the field of difference.
Here's the confusion between you and the other wiz: morality is usually defined in the old way, where what's right is what's categorically good. The way to resolve this confusion is to make a distinction between morality and ethics. An ethics that is immanent, e.g. "how should I approach this situation?", is entirely reconcilable with your view and makes no moral prescriptions. You could even say an ethics is an aesthetic to the extent it's a "style of living".
>>182410
>You should care, though. You want to live life like a cuck?
Should I? You mean to impose your spooks upon me?
>And yet we are still left with the facts that morals only matter as long as you give them credit, believe in them and therefore make yourself a slave to them.
Go out a free agent who either slaves away for his sustenance, comfort, and temptations, or lives at the mercy of society's charity. You still run on the hamster's wheel regardless.
>It is not about "edge", it is about finally growing up and realizing that life isn't a Disney movie.
Do you think any "moral" person looks at the ills of the world and believes it's a "Disney movie"? Every person who died for something other than themselves died a witness to evil.
Regardless, your beliefs are incoherent. At one minute you decry the things that are subjective and at another you argue on the basis of subjectivity entirely. You should want to convince others to be moral and charitable so that they obediently serve ubermenschen like you, and yet you do the opposite. Are you masochistic?
>You should care, though. You want to live life like a cuck?
Should I? You mean to impose your spooks upon me?
>And yet we are still left with the facts that morals only matter as long as you give them credit, believe in them and therefore make yourself a slave to them.
Go out a free agent who either slaves away for his sustenance, comfort, and temptations, or lives at the mercy of society's charity. You still run on the hamster's wheel regardless.
>It is not about "edge", it is about finally growing up and realizing that life isn't a Disney movie.
Do you think any "moral" person looks at the ills of the world and believes it's a "Disney movie"? Every person who died for something other than themselves died a witness to evil.
Regardless, your beliefs are incoherent. At one minute you decry the things that are subjective and at another you argue on the basis of subjectivity entirely. You should want to convince others to be moral and charitable so that they obediently serve ubermenschen like you, and yet you do the opposite. Are you masochistic?
>>182410
>I am one of the few who are sane in a world of insanity
part of your brain is literally electrochemically deadened, so a rational person would think its the non-psychopaths who are sane.
>I am one of the few who are sane in a world of insanity
part of your brain is literally electrochemically deadened, so a rational person would think its the non-psychopaths who are sane.
>>182416
I am trying to convice you that it is best for you if you live the life of an egoist. I am the one who is helping people, not you. By forcing morals onto everyone you want to force foreign concepts onto them, concepts that aren't their own. Morality is about projecting your own values onto everyone, trying to force everyone to be like you. While I think that you help others the best if you teach them to be unironically themselves and to embrace egoism.
I don't know what slaving away for "comfort, temptations or sustenance" has to do with morals, but all right. These things are actually real though, not just concepts in your head, that is the difference. The hamster wheel is also a forced argument you drag into our discussion because you can't provide any good arguments. What you are talking about is things that can't be helped, as a human you will most likely always need to depend on other humans to survive. Morals are things that really aren't necessary, morality is toxic. You sound like you still can't make a difference between ideal, imaginary and real, material things.
Apparently moral persons believe life is a Disney movie, because instead of living life realistically they want to pretend they live in the clouds where everything is perfect and sunshine and you can allow yourself to be a cuck. If you would be so conscious of "evil" as you claim to be then you would realize that you can only fight "evil" with "evil", therefore morality is meaningless. Also, why do you think weak and stupid people serve my interests the best? I would like everyone to be full egoist so that they could enjoy life like me.
>>182422
Psychopath is anyone who doesn't adhere to the morals of your society, I take it?
I am trying to convice you that it is best for you if you live the life of an egoist. I am the one who is helping people, not you. By forcing morals onto everyone you want to force foreign concepts onto them, concepts that aren't their own. Morality is about projecting your own values onto everyone, trying to force everyone to be like you. While I think that you help others the best if you teach them to be unironically themselves and to embrace egoism.
I don't know what slaving away for "comfort, temptations or sustenance" has to do with morals, but all right. These things are actually real though, not just concepts in your head, that is the difference. The hamster wheel is also a forced argument you drag into our discussion because you can't provide any good arguments. What you are talking about is things that can't be helped, as a human you will most likely always need to depend on other humans to survive. Morals are things that really aren't necessary, morality is toxic. You sound like you still can't make a difference between ideal, imaginary and real, material things.
Apparently moral persons believe life is a Disney movie, because instead of living life realistically they want to pretend they live in the clouds where everything is perfect and sunshine and you can allow yourself to be a cuck. If you would be so conscious of "evil" as you claim to be then you would realize that you can only fight "evil" with "evil", therefore morality is meaningless. Also, why do you think weak and stupid people serve my interests the best? I would like everyone to be full egoist so that they could enjoy life like me.
>>182422
Psychopath is anyone who doesn't adhere to the morals of your society, I take it?
>>182456
The problem with your reasoning, and this is a problem for Stirner and all those kinds of thinkers, is you inevitably make normative moral claims like "it's better to be free". Your post is laden with these presuppositions in nearly every sentence, e.g. your opponents "should make good arguments", we "should do away with unnecessary things", etc. The people you're replying to aren't smart enough to invoke that argument against you, though.
The problem with your reasoning, and this is a problem for Stirner and all those kinds of thinkers, is you inevitably make normative moral claims like "it's better to be free". Your post is laden with these presuppositions in nearly every sentence, e.g. your opponents "should make good arguments", we "should do away with unnecessary things", etc. The people you're replying to aren't smart enough to invoke that argument against you, though.
>>182463
>moral claims like "it's better to be free
Heh, this isn't a moral claim. It is about the quality of a person's life, not the moral value of it.
>"should make good arguments"
If they want to be taken seriously, yes, they should.
>"should do away with unnecessary things"
Not a moral statement either.
You confuse morals with any kind of statement that is about bettering the life of an individual or people. I want to improve humans but not morally and not out of morality. Morality has nothing to do with anything I said. It would be moralizing if I said "you should act like this because it is the just, good, acceptable thing to do and not do that because that is unjust, evil, unacceptable!" Not every command or statement has to do with morality, sorry. You are abusing language, not offering any reasonable argument.
>moral claims like "it's better to be free
Heh, this isn't a moral claim. It is about the quality of a person's life, not the moral value of it.
>"should make good arguments"
If they want to be taken seriously, yes, they should.
>"should do away with unnecessary things"
Not a moral statement either.
You confuse morals with any kind of statement that is about bettering the life of an individual or people. I want to improve humans but not morally and not out of morality. Morality has nothing to do with anything I said. It would be moralizing if I said "you should act like this because it is the just, good, acceptable thing to do and not do that because that is unjust, evil, unacceptable!" Not every command or statement has to do with morality, sorry. You are abusing language, not offering any reasonable argument.
>>182466
> You confuse morals with any kind of statement that is about bettering the life of an individual or people.
Explain to me what the difference between a moral and saying what is the right way to live?
> You confuse morals with any kind of statement that is about bettering the life of an individual or people.
Explain to me what the difference between a moral and saying what is the right way to live?
>>182466
>Heh, this isn't a moral claim.
Heh, it is. Whenever you say someone should do something you are making a moral argument. Actually, some even say any truth claim is a moral claim because it's not only "true" but "right". Better wise up, kid.
>Heh, this isn't a moral claim.
Heh, it is. Whenever you say someone should do something you are making a moral argument. Actually, some even say any truth claim is a moral claim because it's not only "true" but "right". Better wise up, kid.
>>182468
>>182469
This amount of stupidity, my god..If the doctor says to you to take this medicine or do that, is that moralizing? You are utterly deluded if you answer with yes.
Let me give you a simple example, so that you idiots can understand what is moralizing and what is not. Someone is addicted to alcohol, a moral statement would be like: "Stop drinking, it is a bad thing to do." Now, a general advice that has nothing to do with morality: "You shouldn't drink so much, it is bad for your health."
You guys sound like you don't even know what you argue for.
>>182469
This amount of stupidity, my god..If the doctor says to you to take this medicine or do that, is that moralizing? You are utterly deluded if you answer with yes.
Let me give you a simple example, so that you idiots can understand what is moralizing and what is not. Someone is addicted to alcohol, a moral statement would be like: "Stop drinking, it is a bad thing to do." Now, a general advice that has nothing to do with morality: "You shouldn't drink so much, it is bad for your health."
You guys sound like you don't even know what you argue for.
>>182456
>>182466
>I am trying to convice you that it is best for you if you live the life of an egoist.
>I am the one who is helping people, not you. By forcing morals onto everyone you want to force foreign concepts onto them, concepts that aren't their own.
>I would like everyone to be full egoist so that they could enjoy life like me.
You have to be doing this on purpose.
>I don't know what slaving away for "comfort, temptations or sustenance" has to do with morals, but all right. These things are actually real though, not just concepts in your head, that is the difference.
Reading: learn to do it.
I'm pretty sure you've been baiting this whole time anyway. 7.6/10, better than average bait.
>>182466
>I am trying to convice you that it is best for you if you live the life of an egoist.
>I am the one who is helping people, not you. By forcing morals onto everyone you want to force foreign concepts onto them, concepts that aren't their own.
>I would like everyone to be full egoist so that they could enjoy life like me.
You have to be doing this on purpose.
>I don't know what slaving away for "comfort, temptations or sustenance" has to do with morals, but all right. These things are actually real though, not just concepts in your head, that is the difference.
Reading: learn to do it.
I'm pretty sure you've been baiting this whole time anyway. 7.6/10, better than average bait.
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>>182245
My brain has been flipped into the off position since starting antipsychotics. I'm not able to spontaneously form thoughts. I require some outside source of stimulation or otherwise need to be prompted. Maybe I was always like this but it seems worse.
My brain has been flipped into the off position since starting antipsychotics. I'm not able to spontaneously form thoughts. I require some outside source of stimulation or otherwise need to be prompted. Maybe I was always like this but it seems worse.
>>182533
get off antipsychotics dude, they are the worst medication in the world, unless you are severely schizophrenic there’s no reason to take that crap. Mood stabilizers and ssri/ssnri meds are good too, actually made me feel motivated
get off antipsychotics dude, they are the worst medication in the world, unless you are severely schizophrenic there’s no reason to take that crap. Mood stabilizers and ssri/ssnri meds are good too, actually made me feel motivated
>>182520
>If the doctor says to you to take this medicine or do that, is that moralizing? You are utterly deluded if you answer with yes.
Are you dumb? The doctor prescribes medicine because he follows an ethic of good health. The use of the word hospital today comes from the hospitallers, who were on a literal moral mission.
>"You shouldn't drink so much, it is bad for your health."
This presupposes good health is better than bad health, which is an ethical position. Are you going to tell us the hippocratic oath has no moral content next?
>You guys sound like you don't even know what you argue for.
I know exactly what argument I'm making. I said there are some people who even say any true claim is also a moral claim, like x = x, let alone your puerile examples.
>If the doctor says to you to take this medicine or do that, is that moralizing? You are utterly deluded if you answer with yes.
Are you dumb? The doctor prescribes medicine because he follows an ethic of good health. The use of the word hospital today comes from the hospitallers, who were on a literal moral mission.
>"You shouldn't drink so much, it is bad for your health."
This presupposes good health is better than bad health, which is an ethical position. Are you going to tell us the hippocratic oath has no moral content next?
>You guys sound like you don't even know what you argue for.
I know exactly what argument I'm making. I said there are some people who even say any true claim is also a moral claim, like x = x, let alone your puerile examples.
>>182264
Its degeneracy if I don't feel good doing those things but HAVE TO because its come to the point that its a cope on dealing with stress.
Its degeneracy if I don't feel good doing those things but HAVE TO because its come to the point that its a cope on dealing with stress.
Morality can only judge inevitable people and inevitable events, making it meaningless. Thou wilt as thou wilt.
Somewhat, I've done some degenerate things. I dont care too much though since none of it caused harm to anyone. Fuck societal labels like "degenerate", I do what I want.
I masturbate a lot. An astronomical amount. I masturbate so much that this has recently begun to prevent me from doing things in my life.
I don't know if I want to be one of those nofap forced asexual monk sorts. I have big ambitions in my life, ones that I assume can only be achieved if I devote every measure to fulfilling these ambitions. While that all sounds well and good, at the same time I would like to learn how to draw and make cgi, and of course, make some 2d porn.
Sounds like I'm seeking to replace quantity of masturbation with quality, using drawing and cgi as a means to this end. But first I need to stop my astronomic amounts of masturbation by will.
I don't know if I want to be one of those nofap forced asexual monk sorts. I have big ambitions in my life, ones that I assume can only be achieved if I devote every measure to fulfilling these ambitions. While that all sounds well and good, at the same time I would like to learn how to draw and make cgi, and of course, make some 2d porn.
Sounds like I'm seeking to replace quantity of masturbation with quality, using drawing and cgi as a means to this end. But first I need to stop my astronomic amounts of masturbation by will.
I guess what I'm asking about, is have any of you successfully broken a masturbation addiction, and/or have any of you successfully sublimated your desire for masturbation onto a hobby or your job or something like that?
>>183199
antidepressants killed my masturbation addiction by killing my libido entirely. Porn feels like background noise now
antidepressants killed my masturbation addiction by killing my libido entirely. Porn feels like background noise now
The only thing in life that can bring me somewhat significant amount of pleasure is alcohol
>>183199
yes, but it took me the better part of a year. i would try not to masturbate or watch porn. when my will broke and i did one (or usually both) i would catalogue what it was that eroded my willpower in that instance. if that wasn't readily evident, i would contemplate the failure till i identified the source, then went about trying different methods to eliminate it.
>>183203
both fortunately and unfortunately, my meds don't do that.
yes, but it took me the better part of a year. i would try not to masturbate or watch porn. when my will broke and i did one (or usually both) i would catalogue what it was that eroded my willpower in that instance. if that wasn't readily evident, i would contemplate the failure till i identified the source, then went about trying different methods to eliminate it.
>>183203
both fortunately and unfortunately, my meds don't do that.
I used to think I'm degenerate because "dude masturbation bad lmao", but I have a normie relative and her stories fill me with utmost disgust and realize that Wizard way is just so much easier on the nerves. "Normal" world just can't revolve without cheating, STDs, abuse, rapes and what hurts - prejudice and contempt towards Wizards. She's a single mother too.
Not really, in the past year I spent some time around my family and I kind of think that most people are unbelievably degenerate right now.
I have a cousin who was a cute little kid who now has a nose ring, those degenerate chest tattoos, and most of the young people seem to be struggling more than I felt I did at their age. I do feel like the young guys are becoming wizards more than what was common in my generation. The succubi just seem completely whorish to the degree that a typical succubus these days is much worse than what would have been considered the town "bicycle" in my grandparents or even parents generation.
I feel like wizards are probably the purer of the bunch. Even the pornography today just feels bizarre compared to growing up. Before it was either typical porn, the humiliation porn (which was the edgy porn back then), or weird arthouse porn. Now it's step-siblings and step-parents and tranny stuff which just seems almost non-sexual in its strangeness.
I have a cousin who was a cute little kid who now has a nose ring, those degenerate chest tattoos, and most of the young people seem to be struggling more than I felt I did at their age. I do feel like the young guys are becoming wizards more than what was common in my generation. The succubi just seem completely whorish to the degree that a typical succubus these days is much worse than what would have been considered the town "bicycle" in my grandparents or even parents generation.
I feel like wizards are probably the purer of the bunch. Even the pornography today just feels bizarre compared to growing up. Before it was either typical porn, the humiliation porn (which was the edgy porn back then), or weird arthouse porn. Now it's step-siblings and step-parents and tranny stuff which just seems almost non-sexual in its strangeness.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/19924/19924-h/19924-h.htm
Seems like they had nofap in the victorian era, control-f and type continence
Seems like they had nofap in the victorian era, control-f and type continence
>>182165
Religious people are at peace with themselves, but they still trample on the world and piss on the suffering of others just the same as everyone else. I act the same, but I am not at peace with it. They tell me to just accept these things. It's repulsive to hide behind fake theology and arbitrary morals. I despise this road in life, it's too self serving.
>>182284
Close but untrue. It's designed for group functionality. You rely on it every single day for as long as you belong to a group, which you do. Morality is the reason your life is as tolerable as it is and you'd beg for it to return should it disappear overnight.
Religious people are at peace with themselves, but they still trample on the world and piss on the suffering of others just the same as everyone else. I act the same, but I am not at peace with it. They tell me to just accept these things. It's repulsive to hide behind fake theology and arbitrary morals. I despise this road in life, it's too self serving.
>>182284
Close but untrue. It's designed for group functionality. You rely on it every single day for as long as you belong to a group, which you do. Morality is the reason your life is as tolerable as it is and you'd beg for it to return should it disappear overnight.
>>182165
Brother/sister, only God can give refuge and peace, don't go to churches that is paganism, buy or look for a Bible, read it and learn from the teaching of Jesus (God). Also pray from your heart (and not to figures, that is idolatry), pray to Jesus and ask Him for faith and His holy spirit and seek Him through faith, good works and reading the Bible. I hope I have helped you.
God bless you, amen.
Brother/sister, only God can give refuge and peace, don't go to churches that is paganism, buy or look for a Bible, read it and learn from the teaching of Jesus (God). Also pray from your heart (and not to figures, that is idolatry), pray to Jesus and ask Him for faith and His holy spirit and seek Him through faith, good works and reading the Bible. I hope I have helped you.
God bless you, amen.