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after recently discovering that this disorder existed and just so happened to exactly describe the hell I've been living in. I began to wonder if any other wizards are suffering from this as well.
furthermore, if any of you do suffer from this I want to know how you deal with it?
>inb4 hurr schizo tread hahaha.
just for the record (and anyone who does not know), schizoid personality disorder is nothing like schizophrenia, no voices, no hallucinations, nothing like that.
the disorder causes a person to withdraw from life via the usage of maladaptive daydreaming, normally leaving them as a husk of a person.
furthermore, if any of you do suffer from this I want to know how you deal with it?
>inb4 hurr schizo tread hahaha.
just for the record (and anyone who does not know), schizoid personality disorder is nothing like schizophrenia, no voices, no hallucinations, nothing like that.
the disorder causes a person to withdraw from life via the usage of maladaptive daydreaming, normally leaving them as a husk of a person.
>>185955
according to doctors I am schizoid and another personality disorder that people would claim cannot coexist with schizoid. Being schizoid is more than 'maladaptive daydreaming'. "how do you deal with it", if you are schizoid you already are dealing with it. I have had therapy for other disorders and on request of professionals I have even engaged socially with people to test if it would change my disposition and it never has.
Schizoid summed up in my experience is the inability to bond. Family are strangers. Everyone is a stranger. I wish I was not this way but at least I am not one of those typical loner males who thirst for female company and suffer greatly. The hell is having hardly any wordly desires at all and being incredibly bored with life because it has nothing you desire. I deal with reality by withdrawing from others and doing things by myself.
according to doctors I am schizoid and another personality disorder that people would claim cannot coexist with schizoid. Being schizoid is more than 'maladaptive daydreaming'. "how do you deal with it", if you are schizoid you already are dealing with it. I have had therapy for other disorders and on request of professionals I have even engaged socially with people to test if it would change my disposition and it never has.
Schizoid summed up in my experience is the inability to bond. Family are strangers. Everyone is a stranger. I wish I was not this way but at least I am not one of those typical loner males who thirst for female company and suffer greatly. The hell is having hardly any wordly desires at all and being incredibly bored with life because it has nothing you desire. I deal with reality by withdrawing from others and doing things by myself.
My initial reaction to Schizoid Personality Disorder was:
1 - This sounds like a VERY complete personality description of myself.
2 - Why the fuck do I feel like the psychological establishment is attacking me for it?
1 - This sounds like a VERY complete personality description of myself.
2 - Why the fuck do I feel like the psychological establishment is attacking me for it?
Why is it associated with schizophrenia? Is full blown voices like the extreme spectrum of daydreaming too much?
>>185955
I have schizoid tendencies and suspect I would barely miss the threshold on the psychological battery to detect the disorder.
I have schizoid tendencies and suspect I would barely miss the threshold on the psychological battery to detect the disorder.
>>185961
You can become psychotic and hallucinate as a schizoid but not to the same degree. There is a genetic link confirmed also.
You can become psychotic and hallucinate as a schizoid but not to the same degree. There is a genetic link confirmed also.
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder
>lack of interest in social relationships
>a tendency toward a solitary or sheltered lifestyle
>secretiveness
>emotional coldness
>detachment
>apathy
>unable to form intimate attachments to others
>possess a rich and elaborate but exclusively internal fantasy world
>stilted speech
>a lack of deriving enjoyment from most activities
>feeling as though one is an "observer" rather than a participant in life
>an inability to tolerate emotional expectations of others
>apparent indifference when praised or criticized
>a degree of asexuality
>idiosyncratic moral or political beliefs
To me, this reads like a normie psychologist fucking hates loner wizzies and wants to throw 5150s at them. What really worries the fuck out of me is that last bullet point:
>idiosyncratic moral or political beliefs
With that in the mix, now it's reminding me of the Soviet diagnosis of "sluggish schizophrenia" or the diagnosis of "female hysteria" (that the Kennedy family used to prescribe a fucking lobotomy for Rosemary Kennedy, iirc).
>lack of interest in social relationships
>a tendency toward a solitary or sheltered lifestyle
>secretiveness
>emotional coldness
>detachment
>apathy
>unable to form intimate attachments to others
>possess a rich and elaborate but exclusively internal fantasy world
>stilted speech
>a lack of deriving enjoyment from most activities
>feeling as though one is an "observer" rather than a participant in life
>an inability to tolerate emotional expectations of others
>apparent indifference when praised or criticized
>a degree of asexuality
>idiosyncratic moral or political beliefs
To me, this reads like a normie psychologist fucking hates loner wizzies and wants to throw 5150s at them. What really worries the fuck out of me is that last bullet point:
>idiosyncratic moral or political beliefs
With that in the mix, now it's reminding me of the Soviet diagnosis of "sluggish schizophrenia" or the diagnosis of "female hysteria" (that the Kennedy family used to prescribe a fucking lobotomy for Rosemary Kennedy, iirc).
If it weren't for the anhedonia I'd have no issue being schizoid. Other people don't interest me, but so what? People over-complicate life and lead to stress.
Yes I thought I might have this for awhile. And some autism.
Are personality disorders even a real thing though? So much of psychology just seems like such bullshit.
Are personality disorders even a real thing though? So much of psychology just seems like such bullshit.
>>185961
Schizo- means split, detached or separated. Schizoids are named such because of being detached from the outside world, being all of the physical reality or at least society.
The term Schizophrenia, on the other hand, comes from "splitting of the mind".
Schizoids have the negative symptoms of schizophrenia (negative not meaning bad here, but lacking something most people have) but normally not the positive ones (positive meaning having weird symptoms that most people don't have, and definitely NOT something good).
The negative symptoms of schizophrenia are things like asociality, apathy, anhedonia, all things schizoids generally have. The positive ones like hearing voices, hallucinations and disordered thinking are not commonly seen on schizoids. If they happen they might be related to some stress induced psychotic episode, it's not something that will normally happen unless it's caused by some comorbid issue.
>>185957
They way I think of it is that dealing with people is work. It's very carefully managing what you say and how you act, carefully interpreting how the other person is reacting just to prevent some negative reaction from the interlocutor, like getting angry and aggressive, or highly inquisitive, or just talking for hours.
All of this is a lot of work for very little if any reward, most of the time when talking with people the main thing I'm trying to do is to get them to stop talking and go away as soon as possible. I think that SPD develops as a reaction to a generally hostile social environment (specially family during childhood), it just gets ingrained on the schizoid that interacting with other people is an unpleasant and potentially dangerous activity, one that must be avoided as much as possible.
>>185968
A lot of psychology is complete bullshit, but at least some personality disorders are very much real.
Schizo- means split, detached or separated. Schizoids are named such because of being detached from the outside world, being all of the physical reality or at least society.
The term Schizophrenia, on the other hand, comes from "splitting of the mind".
Schizoids have the negative symptoms of schizophrenia (negative not meaning bad here, but lacking something most people have) but normally not the positive ones (positive meaning having weird symptoms that most people don't have, and definitely NOT something good).
The negative symptoms of schizophrenia are things like asociality, apathy, anhedonia, all things schizoids generally have. The positive ones like hearing voices, hallucinations and disordered thinking are not commonly seen on schizoids. If they happen they might be related to some stress induced psychotic episode, it's not something that will normally happen unless it's caused by some comorbid issue.
>>185957
They way I think of it is that dealing with people is work. It's very carefully managing what you say and how you act, carefully interpreting how the other person is reacting just to prevent some negative reaction from the interlocutor, like getting angry and aggressive, or highly inquisitive, or just talking for hours.
All of this is a lot of work for very little if any reward, most of the time when talking with people the main thing I'm trying to do is to get them to stop talking and go away as soon as possible. I think that SPD develops as a reaction to a generally hostile social environment (specially family during childhood), it just gets ingrained on the schizoid that interacting with other people is an unpleasant and potentially dangerous activity, one that must be avoided as much as possible.
>>185968
A lot of psychology is complete bullshit, but at least some personality disorders are very much real.
I’m also diagnosed schizoid when I was 18(now 28) only thing I hate being schizoid is inability to find a job.I’m cursed to be a NEET forever even though I like being NEET.But being poor due to not having job crushes my soul.
I'm also officially diagnosed but it's more a matter of convenience for the shrink than anything meaningful. I don't think these labels have any intrinsic meaning, they are way too generic and broad.
>>185966
well I think psychiatry is pretty open that is definitions are functional, pragmatic, instrumentalist, with the normie life with a job and relationships as the norm, and any deviations from it by definition as disorders
Sometimes it might differentiate voluntary or involuntary isolation, but I dont think it really recognises the healthy voluntary hermit. By defintion a hermit is probably always going to qualify for some DSM
well I think psychiatry is pretty open that is definitions are functional, pragmatic, instrumentalist, with the normie life with a job and relationships as the norm, and any deviations from it by definition as disorders
Sometimes it might differentiate voluntary or involuntary isolation, but I dont think it really recognises the healthy voluntary hermit. By defintion a hermit is probably always going to qualify for some DSM
Does any wiz know of a jurisdiction where it is possible to get "schizoidbux", similar to how autismbux and neetbux are a thing in some places?
Apparently it leads to difficulties with finding work, so it is definitely not one of those mental illnesses that do not have any substantial effect on your ability to make money.
Apparently it leads to difficulties with finding work, so it is definitely not one of those mental illnesses that do not have any substantial effect on your ability to make money.
>>186043
Autismbux is a generic term, it does not mean everyone who gets it is necessarily autistic. Officially what matters is not so much the diagnosis or infirmity itself but the consequences on your life, or so they say. I guess it depends on your psychiatrist's ability to make a case for your inability to function normally.
Autismbux is a generic term, it does not mean everyone who gets it is necessarily autistic. Officially what matters is not so much the diagnosis or infirmity itself but the consequences on your life, or so they say. I guess it depends on your psychiatrist's ability to make a case for your inability to function normally.
>>186050
whats sucks too is people from different countries talking about their country's respective bux and the requiresments are all different
whats sucks too is people from different countries talking about their country's respective bux and the requiresments are all different
>>186052
Which is why you have to look shit up yourself if you want the most applicable answers. Especially since doxing yourself here is against the rules and probably wouldn't help much since the odds aren't in your favor of someone knowing your place's polices off the top of their head anyway.
Hell, might even be better off physically going to a gibs office and asking a social worker in person.
Which is why you have to look shit up yourself if you want the most applicable answers. Especially since doxing yourself here is against the rules and probably wouldn't help much since the odds aren't in your favor of someone knowing your place's polices off the top of their head anyway.
Hell, might even be better off physically going to a gibs office and asking a social worker in person.
I recently found out about Pathological Demand Avoidance, which makes a lot of sense to me. Of course, I will self diagnose with anything, given half a chance.
>>185970
Good post. Your description of what interaction is like as a schizoid is perfect.
>>186043
>Does any wiz know of a jurisdiction where it is possible to get "schizoidbux",
I seriously doubt that just a schizoid PD would qualify anyone for bux as it is just an aversion to doing things others put up with better and not an inability to function. Like others said it is pretty much worthless asking people online what will qualify you without stating your country but generally you need to have complex mental health issues that do reduce your ability to function at all.
Good post. Your description of what interaction is like as a schizoid is perfect.
>>186043
>Does any wiz know of a jurisdiction where it is possible to get "schizoidbux",
I seriously doubt that just a schizoid PD would qualify anyone for bux as it is just an aversion to doing things others put up with better and not an inability to function. Like others said it is pretty much worthless asking people online what will qualify you without stating your country but generally you need to have complex mental health issues that do reduce your ability to function at all.
I was clinically diagnosed as having schizoid personality disorder by a psychiatrist -it's how I get my NEETbuxx
That said I think it's a complete meme diagnosis (like most mental illnesses tbh). It's just the psycho-pathologization of perfectly rational behaviour as a reaction to my life. There's nothing wrong with my brain, or anything like that. I'm just your regular maladaptive image board autist through a combination of upbringing, life events, etc.
>>186043
>>186126
It depends heavily on the country of course, but where I'm from there's a heavy social/welfare state, so all I had to prove was that I can't make minimum wage on my own which gives me a special status, and then just apply for welfare.
That said I think it's a complete meme diagnosis (like most mental illnesses tbh). It's just the psycho-pathologization of perfectly rational behaviour as a reaction to my life. There's nothing wrong with my brain, or anything like that. I'm just your regular maladaptive image board autist through a combination of upbringing, life events, etc.
>>186043
>>186126
It depends heavily on the country of course, but where I'm from there's a heavy social/welfare state, so all I had to prove was that I can't make minimum wage on my own which gives me a special status, and then just apply for welfare.
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Hey anon, I was like you 10 years ago. I can give you a short summary of how it could be solved. Note that this is only based on how I solved parts of it and I am not guaranteeing it will work for you. I am also not insisting you fix yourself and not judging people who want to remain schizoid - as you will read in this post, I think this process is very personal, including the decision to change (or not).
For background, I had pretty typical schizoid symptoms 10 years ago. Only particular novelty was that I think I got on the schizoid spectrum due to weird genetics (family line contains lots of introverts/low sex drive people) and not due to child abuse, as happens to most schzoids.
In my case the key to the solution was to figure out a way to get out of the anhedonia/apathy spectrum of schizoid symptoms - after all if you do not have the motivation to do anything, you do not have enough drive to do something massive like solve an insidious and nigh uncurable mental disorder.
So to do this, I spent some time (~3 years) doing some intense daydreaming, determining what I was actually missing out on/could acquire if I broke out of my schizoid condition. In my case I eventually realized I did want to get out or at least modify my disorder to be less restricting, without necessarily "denouncing" the disorder as completely undesirable (it has some good traits, like autonomy/independence).
I took those realizations and spent another year forging it together into a strong obsession/drive. Then using this obsession, I spent another 1-2 years gathering up weird ideas from every strange source, including religions/occult/political ideologies to forge together a kind of "personal ideology", which would give form to my obsession/drive, making it more articulate and workable in practical situations.
Then after this, I entered the current phase (4 years and ongoing) where I use my "personal ideology" to reforge my life, hammering out every part of it that I dislike (involving mainly anhedonia/general weakness/helplesness). This takes the forms of weekly, daily and monthly battles of will against my unrefined instincts. I still have control over the process and am not lost to the obsession - there's part of the schizoid form I retain (such as keeping social aspect of life to as low a level as I can) because I do not find it particularly objectionable.
Overall I did make massive changes and fixed several of the traits, especially with regard to anhedonia. I don't think I can be classified as schizoid any more. While the process was long, it was worthwhile - it has felt like a more interesting and prolonged version of the daydreams I used to have - kind of like an extended daydream but parts of it actually happen, which obviously makes it better. It's the kind of process where going through the process is worthwhile whether or not you reach the perfect end state, at least for me.
Now if you want to do this the key is to look deep inside yourself and find together all the reasons you would want to break out of your condition. In other words, the key is to build a dream future/path that would justify the hassle of struggling against your own nature for multiple years (it will be a pretty surreal mindfuck adventure, most likely). What it might be is completely personal, is completely unlikely to seem "grand" enough when you first find it (in fact these desires are likely very weak) and will likely also be very autistic and niche - nothing a normie or even most wizards would understand. But that's the point - getting out of the schizoid position has to be personal and meaningful for you. The little embers of dreams you find have to have the potential to be strong fuel for you after you kindle them for a few years.
For background, I had pretty typical schizoid symptoms 10 years ago. Only particular novelty was that I think I got on the schizoid spectrum due to weird genetics (family line contains lots of introverts/low sex drive people) and not due to child abuse, as happens to most schzoids.
In my case the key to the solution was to figure out a way to get out of the anhedonia/apathy spectrum of schizoid symptoms - after all if you do not have the motivation to do anything, you do not have enough drive to do something massive like solve an insidious and nigh uncurable mental disorder.
So to do this, I spent some time (~3 years) doing some intense daydreaming, determining what I was actually missing out on/could acquire if I broke out of my schizoid condition. In my case I eventually realized I did want to get out or at least modify my disorder to be less restricting, without necessarily "denouncing" the disorder as completely undesirable (it has some good traits, like autonomy/independence).
I took those realizations and spent another year forging it together into a strong obsession/drive. Then using this obsession, I spent another 1-2 years gathering up weird ideas from every strange source, including religions/occult/political ideologies to forge together a kind of "personal ideology", which would give form to my obsession/drive, making it more articulate and workable in practical situations.
Then after this, I entered the current phase (4 years and ongoing) where I use my "personal ideology" to reforge my life, hammering out every part of it that I dislike (involving mainly anhedonia/general weakness/helplesness). This takes the forms of weekly, daily and monthly battles of will against my unrefined instincts. I still have control over the process and am not lost to the obsession - there's part of the schizoid form I retain (such as keeping social aspect of life to as low a level as I can) because I do not find it particularly objectionable.
Overall I did make massive changes and fixed several of the traits, especially with regard to anhedonia. I don't think I can be classified as schizoid any more. While the process was long, it was worthwhile - it has felt like a more interesting and prolonged version of the daydreams I used to have - kind of like an extended daydream but parts of it actually happen, which obviously makes it better. It's the kind of process where going through the process is worthwhile whether or not you reach the perfect end state, at least for me.
Now if you want to do this the key is to look deep inside yourself and find together all the reasons you would want to break out of your condition. In other words, the key is to build a dream future/path that would justify the hassle of struggling against your own nature for multiple years (it will be a pretty surreal mindfuck adventure, most likely). What it might be is completely personal, is completely unlikely to seem "grand" enough when you first find it (in fact these desires are likely very weak) and will likely also be very autistic and niche - nothing a normie or even most wizards would understand. But that's the point - getting out of the schizoid position has to be personal and meaningful for you. The little embers of dreams you find have to have the potential to be strong fuel for you after you kindle them for a few years.
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>>185966
>>185970
Although I have spent a long time struggling against my schizoid limitations, I basically agree. The weird thing about normie psychiatrists is that they seem to genuinely have no understanding why anyone would choose to be schizoid. Whereas to me, it was completely obvious back when I was schizoid. Even now, that I have fought against the more debilitating symptoms of schizoidy, I still retain understanding as to why it is attractive - normie society is kind of like a stinky, sticky maelstrom and avoiding involvement in it makes 100% intuitive sense to someone with my introverted and unpersonable nature.
Personal contact with normies has not really changed my mind about it all that much. Based on observation, almost all intimate relationships are pretty obviously self-defeating and non-beneficial, including to the normies who insist you absolutely have to do it or else you are not "normal" or can't really "love life" or whatever.
If schizoidy does have a weakness though, it's the anhedonia. That's the only part of the schizoid personality type (or disorder, if you wanna call it that) that really is debilitating/disease-like.
>>185970
Although I have spent a long time struggling against my schizoid limitations, I basically agree. The weird thing about normie psychiatrists is that they seem to genuinely have no understanding why anyone would choose to be schizoid. Whereas to me, it was completely obvious back when I was schizoid. Even now, that I have fought against the more debilitating symptoms of schizoidy, I still retain understanding as to why it is attractive - normie society is kind of like a stinky, sticky maelstrom and avoiding involvement in it makes 100% intuitive sense to someone with my introverted and unpersonable nature.
Personal contact with normies has not really changed my mind about it all that much. Based on observation, almost all intimate relationships are pretty obviously self-defeating and non-beneficial, including to the normies who insist you absolutely have to do it or else you are not "normal" or can't really "love life" or whatever.
If schizoidy does have a weakness though, it's the anhedonia. That's the only part of the schizoid personality type (or disorder, if you wanna call it that) that really is debilitating/disease-like.
>>186106
Same lol, if I squint I can diagnose myself sincerely with anything in the DSM. At this point I won’t say I’m anything but the only thing I’ve been formally diagnosed with as an adult, which is social phobia and is definitely the primary root problem that any others stem from.
Same lol, if I squint I can diagnose myself sincerely with anything in the DSM. At this point I won’t say I’m anything but the only thing I’ve been formally diagnosed with as an adult, which is social phobia and is definitely the primary root problem that any others stem from.
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>>186334
Not sure why I'm only allowed to single image post.
Not sure why I'm only allowed to single image post.
>>185955
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_defeat
Someone give me a solid argument that schizoid tendencies aren't manifestations of long-terms sustained social defeat over long periods of time starting in adolescence. We are on wizchan here after all, I can't imagine many people here have been socially successful in their lives if they aren't able to convince a succubus to have sex with them. There's countless examples of other animals having "schizoid" tendencies as the kikes would say after being socially defeated constantly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_defeat
Someone give me a solid argument that schizoid tendencies aren't manifestations of long-terms sustained social defeat over long periods of time starting in adolescence. We are on wizchan here after all, I can't imagine many people here have been socially successful in their lives if they aren't able to convince a succubus to have sex with them. There's countless examples of other animals having "schizoid" tendencies as the kikes would say after being socially defeated constantly.
>>186336
Dunno, makes no sense to me. Your theory seems just another put-down disguised as a theory, sort of the same like how the normie psychologists call every person that's substantially different "disordered", whether they're legit dangerous (like psychos and BPD) or just harmless eccentrics (schizoid).
IMO, it has much more to do with just viewing the social world as a toxic and malign entity that is boring, filled with obnoxious and tiresome stereotypically idiotic normie behaviors - tribal posturing, group-think, middle school social politics etc. It is unrewarding even if you do win, so in general, schizoids avoid it.
From what Ive read it is variable what makes people settle into the schizoid state, where they start to view the social world as being irredeemable shit to be avoided. For some severe child abuse or neglect seems to reveal the bad side of society to them early, and they never give it a chance again when theyre older.
For others, they are just born solitary and contemptuous of the social unit due to genetics. The emotional payoff for winning at social interactions is never there, whereas all the drawbacks/annoyances that it causes still are. Little surprise, that also leads to schizoidy because dealing with society for such people is like constantly stepping on a nail for no reward at all. Eventually you just avoid the nail.
Dunno, makes no sense to me. Your theory seems just another put-down disguised as a theory, sort of the same like how the normie psychologists call every person that's substantially different "disordered", whether they're legit dangerous (like psychos and BPD) or just harmless eccentrics (schizoid).
IMO, it has much more to do with just viewing the social world as a toxic and malign entity that is boring, filled with obnoxious and tiresome stereotypically idiotic normie behaviors - tribal posturing, group-think, middle school social politics etc. It is unrewarding even if you do win, so in general, schizoids avoid it.
From what Ive read it is variable what makes people settle into the schizoid state, where they start to view the social world as being irredeemable shit to be avoided. For some severe child abuse or neglect seems to reveal the bad side of society to them early, and they never give it a chance again when theyre older.
For others, they are just born solitary and contemptuous of the social unit due to genetics. The emotional payoff for winning at social interactions is never there, whereas all the drawbacks/annoyances that it causes still are. Little surprise, that also leads to schizoidy because dealing with society for such people is like constantly stepping on a nail for no reward at all. Eventually you just avoid the nail.
>>186339
I fucking hate that now no one can say they are dissatisfied with life or have been socially maltreated without CRAB CRAB CRAB
I fucking hate that now no one can say they are dissatisfied with life or have been socially maltreated without CRAB CRAB CRAB
>>186339
In animals and humans social defeat has been shown to cause schizoid tendencies, animals withdraw from socializing because they believe there's no reward. They've been conditioned consistently to believe this way until it becomes second nature. You said it makes no sense but then go on to discuss why people become schizoid in virtually the same way. Your two main reasons why people become schizoid are that they're abused/neglected (socially defeated consistently in other words by their peers and loved ones) OR they're born different due to genetics which seems more like a cop out. There's a genetic component I'm sure but humans are molded by experiences and are never static, people say genetics as the biggest cop out for anything. "Oh sorry, I'm depressed, it's my genes. I'm anxious, it's my genes. I'm fat, it's my genes. I just can't help it, it's my genes." if we are such deterministic beings and it's all set in stone, why blame society at all? It's not society or others, it's your genes after all, isn't it?
>>186340
Plenty of people are dissatisfied with life and how they've been mistreated and talk about it all the time, it's hard to go anywhere on the internet without someone whining incessantly about how awful their life is. I'm sure someone in the past has shown you genuine empathy for your problems, did it fix your problems? Of course not. Life isn't going to get catered to you and it isn't fair, it never was. It's a pain reading comments like this on an imageboard that's supposed to be full of 30+ year old men, I believe any wizanon old enough has went through the cycle enough times to realize the futility, though I do suspect there's plenty of teenagers and early 20s here now. Try to change whatever is making your life shit or stop pretending to care wizzy is my advice, you're sending empty words into the void here.
In animals and humans social defeat has been shown to cause schizoid tendencies, animals withdraw from socializing because they believe there's no reward. They've been conditioned consistently to believe this way until it becomes second nature. You said it makes no sense but then go on to discuss why people become schizoid in virtually the same way. Your two main reasons why people become schizoid are that they're abused/neglected (socially defeated consistently in other words by their peers and loved ones) OR they're born different due to genetics which seems more like a cop out. There's a genetic component I'm sure but humans are molded by experiences and are never static, people say genetics as the biggest cop out for anything. "Oh sorry, I'm depressed, it's my genes. I'm anxious, it's my genes. I'm fat, it's my genes. I just can't help it, it's my genes." if we are such deterministic beings and it's all set in stone, why blame society at all? It's not society or others, it's your genes after all, isn't it?
>>186340
Plenty of people are dissatisfied with life and how they've been mistreated and talk about it all the time, it's hard to go anywhere on the internet without someone whining incessantly about how awful their life is. I'm sure someone in the past has shown you genuine empathy for your problems, did it fix your problems? Of course not. Life isn't going to get catered to you and it isn't fair, it never was. It's a pain reading comments like this on an imageboard that's supposed to be full of 30+ year old men, I believe any wizanon old enough has went through the cycle enough times to realize the futility, though I do suspect there's plenty of teenagers and early 20s here now. Try to change whatever is making your life shit or stop pretending to care wizzy is my advice, you're sending empty words into the void here.
>>186347
People here have no one to talk to. It’s nice to shout into the void, and I’m sick of the holier than thou attitude. Does it fix problems? No, but it lowers stress and that on its own is a worthy benefit.
Fuck you.
People here have no one to talk to. It’s nice to shout into the void, and I’m sick of the holier than thou attitude. Does it fix problems? No, but it lowers stress and that on its own is a worthy benefit.
Fuck you.
>>186347
Dunno, why are you so invested in shitting on schizoids? Your theory is pretty obviously based on wanting to demean schizoids as being "losers" and then gaslight everyone into agreeing with you. Seems like pretty greasy creep behavior to me, I doubt you're discussing this with any good intention and are probably here to shit on people you hold in contempt for kicks (while pretending to be a "fellow wizzie").
And no pal, your theory is dumb. Literally your first sentence is stupid - animals have schizoid personality disorder? Where do you come up with this shit? If you are going to try to sound scientific at least acquaint yourself with the basics of psychology. If you did, you would also for instance know that genetics literally affects everything. I know your little contempt-filled hate theory kind of falls on thin legs if you admit basic facts like genetics, but hey that's too bad - I doubt you're a wizzie anyway, so what do I care about your distress.
Dunno, why are you so invested in shitting on schizoids? Your theory is pretty obviously based on wanting to demean schizoids as being "losers" and then gaslight everyone into agreeing with you. Seems like pretty greasy creep behavior to me, I doubt you're discussing this with any good intention and are probably here to shit on people you hold in contempt for kicks (while pretending to be a "fellow wizzie").
And no pal, your theory is dumb. Literally your first sentence is stupid - animals have schizoid personality disorder? Where do you come up with this shit? If you are going to try to sound scientific at least acquaint yourself with the basics of psychology. If you did, you would also for instance know that genetics literally affects everything. I know your little contempt-filled hate theory kind of falls on thin legs if you admit basic facts like genetics, but hey that's too bad - I doubt you're a wizzie anyway, so what do I care about your distress.
>>186350
Because he is normgroid.
You have to understand that normgroids are driven by instincts and relfexes, rather than logic and reason.
Because he is normgroid.
You have to understand that normgroids are driven by instincts and relfexes, rather than logic and reason.
>>186367
Jungian psychiatry and psychology actually had potential to be relevant and life-changing until the wrong ones got their hands on them
Jungian psychiatry and psychology actually had potential to be relevant and life-changing until the wrong ones got their hands on them
>>186313
>If schizoidy does have a weakness though, it's the anhedonia. That's the only part of the schizoid personality type (or disorder, if you wanna call it that) that really is debilitating/disease-like.
That I can understand, why isn't that recognized more?
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Is it Buddhists? Is it because normie Buddhists can't comprehend that anhedonia would actually be bad?
>If schizoidy does have a weakness though, it's the anhedonia. That's the only part of the schizoid personality type (or disorder, if you wanna call it that) that really is debilitating/disease-like.
That I can understand, why isn't that recognized more?
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Is it Buddhists? Is it because normie Buddhists can't comprehend that anhedonia would actually be bad?
>>186353
Dunno "wizzie" let me ask you a question:
Who is more fit to post on wizchan?
1.) A jewish truewiz
2.) A 100% aryan "red-pilled" crab
IMO if you pick 2 you are showing that your allegiance isnt really to wizchan, but a normie club known as "nationalists".
Dunno "wizzie" let me ask you a question:
Who is more fit to post on wizchan?
1.) A jewish truewiz
2.) A 100% aryan "red-pilled" crab
IMO if you pick 2 you are showing that your allegiance isnt really to wizchan, but a normie club known as "nationalists".
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>>186389
Most normies don't know anything or care about outcasts. Most normie psychologists also. That leaves just the small minority of psychologists who are schizoid personality experts, who only really know what schizoidy looks like, they don't have the insider experience (how it really feels like). Because of that they don't know which of the symptoms really hurt schizoids and which are just personality quirks.
It's kind of unfair, but in practice society leaves it up to us in the end to understand this and solve these problems.
It is even moreso the case with schizoidy, because from what I've read, therapists seem to only be able to "cure" problems for softer/receptive personality types (i.e. depressives, avoidants, sedated borderlines) who can form intimate bonds with the psychologist, but not more guarded "armored" personality types, including schizoids. Not going to speak for anyone else here, but back when I was full-blown schizoid, the chances of forming a bond with some therapist for me was likely around 0%, even if I could have found one that had any clue what he was doing. No other help was possible, so I had to help myself.
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As for buddhists, IMO it is possible that some experts have that idea. However, most normies are just ignorant and don't care - they dont know anything about buddhism or anhedonia.
Most normies don't know anything or care about outcasts. Most normie psychologists also. That leaves just the small minority of psychologists who are schizoid personality experts, who only really know what schizoidy looks like, they don't have the insider experience (how it really feels like). Because of that they don't know which of the symptoms really hurt schizoids and which are just personality quirks.
It's kind of unfair, but in practice society leaves it up to us in the end to understand this and solve these problems.
It is even moreso the case with schizoidy, because from what I've read, therapists seem to only be able to "cure" problems for softer/receptive personality types (i.e. depressives, avoidants, sedated borderlines) who can form intimate bonds with the psychologist, but not more guarded "armored" personality types, including schizoids. Not going to speak for anyone else here, but back when I was full-blown schizoid, the chances of forming a bond with some therapist for me was likely around 0%, even if I could have found one that had any clue what he was doing. No other help was possible, so I had to help myself.
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As for buddhists, IMO it is possible that some experts have that idea. However, most normies are just ignorant and don't care - they dont know anything about buddhism or anhedonia.
I am basically dying of catatonic schizophrenia, I can barely think clearly, remember anything, learn, speak. I look and act like a freak, I can't work socialize or go out in public. I can't remember 99% of my life.
My pupils are constantly dilated, I can't coordinate my movements well, I bump into walls because my depth perception and motor skills are so bad. I have even experienced mild hallucinations, mostly visual and tactile, only had full auditory hallucinations once when smoking weed. Its literally a living purgatory. I have to kill myself soon before I lose the willpower, the impoverishment of my will and thinking has become nearly complete.
If you are non psychotic, consider yourself lucky. If you do have schizoid personality, from what I've read you wouldn't care much one way or the other about it since a characteristic of the disorder is indifference towards the opinions of others and life in general. What is described by anons ITT sounds more like AVPD, Asperger's, possibly schizotypal if your social anxiety is that extreme and coupled with learning issues, odd beliefs (conspiracies, paranormal, aliens, government nonsense etc.), odd appearance. I've read its essentially an attention deficit, those who are schizotypal can't keep up in social situations because they have an extreme attention span deficit.
Anyhow, I am already dead, the person I am is gone, I'm a zombie. Count yourself lucky if you are non psychotic, your problems aren't so bad I promise.
My pupils are constantly dilated, I can't coordinate my movements well, I bump into walls because my depth perception and motor skills are so bad. I have even experienced mild hallucinations, mostly visual and tactile, only had full auditory hallucinations once when smoking weed. Its literally a living purgatory. I have to kill myself soon before I lose the willpower, the impoverishment of my will and thinking has become nearly complete.
If you are non psychotic, consider yourself lucky. If you do have schizoid personality, from what I've read you wouldn't care much one way or the other about it since a characteristic of the disorder is indifference towards the opinions of others and life in general. What is described by anons ITT sounds more like AVPD, Asperger's, possibly schizotypal if your social anxiety is that extreme and coupled with learning issues, odd beliefs (conspiracies, paranormal, aliens, government nonsense etc.), odd appearance. I've read its essentially an attention deficit, those who are schizotypal can't keep up in social situations because they have an extreme attention span deficit.
Anyhow, I am already dead, the person I am is gone, I'm a zombie. Count yourself lucky if you are non psychotic, your problems aren't so bad I promise.
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>>186417
I know exactly how you feel, since developing schizophrenia I feel mentally retarded at best, which is when I'm not hallucinating and disorganized to the point that I cannot speak straight. Medication makes me feel like a walking corpse but I cannot function without it.
I know exactly how you feel, since developing schizophrenia I feel mentally retarded at best, which is when I'm not hallucinating and disorganized to the point that I cannot speak straight. Medication makes me feel like a walking corpse but I cannot function without it.
Went to a psychiatrist once because I thought I had been depressed for years and while I distrust pills I figured it couldn't get any worse. He concluded that I wasn't depressed but instead exhibited elements of schizoid personality disorder and recommended I see a shrink which I refused. Still don't know for sure to this age but it would explain my complete lack of ambition, drive but also lack of genuine suicidal ideation. I feel like a robot with fake emotions, the only genuine thing I feel is anxiety and even that's relatively rare nowadays.
>>187383
I feel you anon, life is horrific with this disease and we are treated as subhuman. I used to have a far more normal life. If I knew what was coming… I would have done things so much differently.
I feel you anon, life is horrific with this disease and we are treated as subhuman. I used to have a far more normal life. If I knew what was coming… I would have done things so much differently.
i was diagnosed with schizoid when i was 23.
i dont know what you want to know about it. suffer how. i dont know what suffering you mean.
i dont know what you want to know about it. suffer how. i dont know what suffering you mean.
>personality disorder
You those incredibly vague descriptions that normals try to force on you if don't want to work or reproduce?
You those incredibly vague descriptions that normals try to force on you if don't want to work or reproduce?
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Schizoaffective-disorder dude reporting in. The symptoms came when I was 23, got diagnosed when I was 24 & I’m now 27 ; I don’t have a job right now but I used to work small retail jobs years ago before my condition got worse. Now all I do is stay in the house because I have a delusion that somebody would be watching me leave the house only to pick me off with a sniper rifle or just random people out wanting to kill me for whatever reason so I just skate on my skateboard alone in a parking lot not bothering anyone until I get tired and go home since I don’t like to bother people & I don’t want people to bother me. I’ve done a lot of dumb shit since I’ve got this diagnosis but I’m grateful I’m still breathing with the fam that I have left or people who still care that are in my life. I realize that I am going to die alone but this is all spiritual so I’m not really tripping… I just sit back and observe humanity at this point meditating, skating, drawing art, and practicing Magick to keep me busy. One day I’ll be forced to work & I don’t know what type of job that’ll be but I’m shooting to work from home for the rest of my life. Like that one dude said ITT, consider yourself lucky if you don’t have psychosis.. It’s a shitshow.
I don't know if I'm schizoid, since I didn't get diagnosed by psychologists since personally I don't believe them. (I recognize that there may be good psychologists, like those who write books on this subject, but they are not the ones available)
From what I see of your experiences that you write on web pages, I see that there are many people with the same problem. You have good opinions and in those opinions there are truths.
You have to organize and better articulate what you want to say and express your real reasons why you are like this.
the schizo of today has in their hands truths about relationships today, how empty and meaningless modern western society is, the only thing that sustains this society besides frivolous consumerism, are the romantic and superficial relationships that they have the people of this society, the schizo being immune to this has the ability to see behind the veil.
For one to be someone in this society one has to live in a fantasy, in the fantasy that my happiness is outside of oneself, and it has to be achieved through an economic transaction or through a relationship with another person.
the difference between SJWs (for example) and you is that in addition to being financed, they are organized and have some clear main ideas.
The schizos, being outside the emotional hypnotism that society and advertising impose on them, have great power in their hands. don't feel guilty about why you are like that, schizos can see society and human relationships as they are, without distortion, and they are right, they are not worth it.
Why do schizos get along with animals and not humans? there is love within the schizo, what happens is that in this type of society they realized that it is not worth it. when there is love but there is no society, people to love, schizo is created.
the true social change is achieved by the schizo if they organize themselves, no social group today has the realistic vision of things from a disinterested point of view like the schizo.
Schizoids of the world, unite!>>185955
From what I see of your experiences that you write on web pages, I see that there are many people with the same problem. You have good opinions and in those opinions there are truths.
You have to organize and better articulate what you want to say and express your real reasons why you are like this.
the schizo of today has in their hands truths about relationships today, how empty and meaningless modern western society is, the only thing that sustains this society besides frivolous consumerism, are the romantic and superficial relationships that they have the people of this society, the schizo being immune to this has the ability to see behind the veil.
For one to be someone in this society one has to live in a fantasy, in the fantasy that my happiness is outside of oneself, and it has to be achieved through an economic transaction or through a relationship with another person.
the difference between SJWs (for example) and you is that in addition to being financed, they are organized and have some clear main ideas.
The schizos, being outside the emotional hypnotism that society and advertising impose on them, have great power in their hands. don't feel guilty about why you are like that, schizos can see society and human relationships as they are, without distortion, and they are right, they are not worth it.
Why do schizos get along with animals and not humans? there is love within the schizo, what happens is that in this type of society they realized that it is not worth it. when there is love but there is no society, people to love, schizo is created.
the true social change is achieved by the schizo if they organize themselves, no social group today has the realistic vision of things from a disinterested point of view like the schizo.
Schizoids of the world, unite!>>185955
>>187726
dont confuse schizoid "with Schizophrenia, Schizotypal personality disorder, Schizoaffective disorder, or Antisocial personality disorder." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder
dont confuse schizoid "with Schizophrenia, Schizotypal personality disorder, Schizoaffective disorder, or Antisocial personality disorder." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder
so basically schizof is the new ADHD/anxiety? Like all of you saying you have it sound like normal people to me. Hate that you're all getting scammed like this. Haven't any of you noticed the MK801 molecule looks JUST LIKE a haliperidol molecule? There is no schizophrenia
>>188349
They're not getting scammed. They're just part of a generation where having mental issues is seen as quirky and special. It's stupid
They're not getting scammed. They're just part of a generation where having mental issues is seen as quirky and special. It's stupid
>>188357
I don't think it can be a scam because it's just what they are to begin with. They didn't have the choice. If it's all they've ever known then it just is.
I don't think it can be a scam because it's just what they are to begin with. They didn't have the choice. If it's all they've ever known then it just is.
>>188358
>its a scam because it gets suckers
?????? im still lost dude. I am praying for all of you. I am """"bipolar"""" but i only take medicine i grow. (COLORATA GOOGLE IT BUY IT NOW) the discourse ITT reminds me of my old friends that used to be addicted to oxycontin etc. They're just selling you pills- pills of shit that god can give you from the earth for free WAKE UP
>its a scam because it gets suckers
?????? im still lost dude. I am praying for all of you. I am """"bipolar"""" but i only take medicine i grow. (COLORATA GOOGLE IT BUY IT NOW) the discourse ITT reminds me of my old friends that used to be addicted to oxycontin etc. They're just selling you pills- pills of shit that god can give you from the earth for free WAKE UP
>>188362
>bbbbut i want pot and opium and im scawed!!!
lets say you had a little tomato plant right now….. unless its in your front yard under a spotlight who HAS to know you have a single secret plant hidden in your spare rooms closet??? There is no wall penetrating radar thata movie shit + illegal evidence(voyeur) jeez this is my first time on this site im not even a real wizard and i have more power than most of you. What fuck
>bbbbut i want pot and opium and im scawed!!!
lets say you had a little tomato plant right now….. unless its in your front yard under a spotlight who HAS to know you have a single secret plant hidden in your spare rooms closet??? There is no wall penetrating radar thata movie shit + illegal evidence(voyeur) jeez this is my first time on this site im not even a real wizard and i have more power than most of you. What fuck
>>188363
>There is no wall-penetrating radar
It's called infrared and the feds use it. You'd know that of sure being a fed yourself
>There is no wall-penetrating radar
It's called infrared and the feds use it. You'd know that of sure being a fed yourself
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>>188391
> get a grip
> The tech that these "people" (demons) have would send you into a never-ending psychosis if you knew
M8
> get a grip
> The tech that these "people" (demons) have would send you into a never-ending psychosis if you knew
M8
>>188392
Yeah whatever stick your head in the sand dude I dont' care I'm just a big stupid redditor. Fuck all of you
Yeah whatever stick your head in the sand dude I dont' care I'm just a big stupid redditor. Fuck all of you
>>188393
Yeahwiz, the lizard people are using x-ray goggles to make sure you aren't hiding pot in your closet.
Yeahwiz, the lizard people are using x-ray goggles to make sure you aren't hiding pot in your closet.
The worst part is knowing that I'll probably never be able to get rid of the constant anhedonia.
I almost hit the marks on SPD than anything else, but is it worth it to get a proper diagnosis of it? I think my mind is too fucked up for SPD to be the only thing within it, sadly. Though
>>189040
No. There’s no real attempt to treat to cure any of the withdrawing type disorders that don’t have negative impacts on others (cluster A and AvPD). All diagnoses of anything do is maybe qualify your for disability and maybe disqualify you from owning a gun or adopting.
No. There’s no real attempt to treat to cure any of the withdrawing type disorders that don’t have negative impacts on others (cluster A and AvPD). All diagnoses of anything do is maybe qualify your for disability and maybe disqualify you from owning a gun or adopting.
>>186395
Would a "jewish truewiz" allegiance be towards other jews or towards wizards? What was their allegiance in every nation they've been from their diaspora to this day?
Would a "jewish truewiz" allegiance be towards other jews or towards wizards? What was their allegiance in every nation they've been from their diaspora to this day?
I hear voices when I'm left alone in my apartment, but it disappears when my parents come home. I dunno if that's considered schizophrenia or something else.
>>189042
antisemitism is just a holdover from christianity because they killed their god. without that there is no reason to single them out over any other mideast tribe like the armenians. maybe a bit annoying and clannish, but nothing to inspire this satanic hate. pagans had nothing against em
antisemitism is just a holdover from christianity because they killed their god. without that there is no reason to single them out over any other mideast tribe like the armenians. maybe a bit annoying and clannish, but nothing to inspire this satanic hate. pagans had nothing against em
>>189044
Whites dropping like flies. Jews disproportionately represented in various elite positions in key sectors. Posts like yours as the only "answers" people get over a sustained period of time asking honest questions about the world around them. Your "messiah" is the Antichrist and you occupy Palestine and defile it chasing the blasphemy of your people. The hate is very warranted
Whites dropping like flies. Jews disproportionately represented in various elite positions in key sectors. Posts like yours as the only "answers" people get over a sustained period of time asking honest questions about the world around them. Your "messiah" is the Antichrist and you occupy Palestine and defile it chasing the blasphemy of your people. The hate is very warranted
>>189044
>strawmans christians as only hating jews because "they killed their god"
>having a healthy sense of skepticism about the tribe is now "satanic hate"
Not that wiz, but pick one bro.
>strawmans christians as only hating jews because "they killed their god"
>having a healthy sense of skepticism about the tribe is now "satanic hate"
Not that wiz, but pick one bro.
i have most of the features but i cant STANd criticism.
and schizoids are immune to criticism
it just washes off them
and schizoids are immune to criticism
it just washes off them
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>>189697
Maybe you are avoidant. It's similar to schizoid except for the criticism part and the low self esteem. Don't take this psychiatry Pokédex too seriously yourself anyway, but it's useful for NEETbux reasons.
Maybe you are avoidant. It's similar to schizoid except for the criticism part and the low self esteem. Don't take this psychiatry Pokédex too seriously yourself anyway, but it's useful for NEETbux reasons.
>>189700
yeah i have almost all those traits. id say im more defined by aspergers, and even when i attempted to be extroverted, my shitty personality pushes people away. i learned to overcome my shyness back when i was a kid, but it didnt help.
the reason i relate to schizoid, is that i had delusions of grandeur, and lived in a fantasy world daydreaming, and thats more schizoid than autist or avoidant.
yeah i have almost all those traits. id say im more defined by aspergers, and even when i attempted to be extroverted, my shitty personality pushes people away. i learned to overcome my shyness back when i was a kid, but it didnt help.
the reason i relate to schizoid, is that i had delusions of grandeur, and lived in a fantasy world daydreaming, and thats more schizoid than autist or avoidant.
>>189718
>the reason i relate to schizoid, is that i had delusions of grandeur, and lived in a fantasy world daydreaming, and thats more schizoid than autist or avoidant.
Stop giving a fuck about these meme illnesses. They are written just like horoscopes, to suit everyone on some level. It's a big lie. Unless you believe you are Jesus reincarnated and talk with god casually then you don't have any serious problems.
>the reason i relate to schizoid, is that i had delusions of grandeur, and lived in a fantasy world daydreaming, and thats more schizoid than autist or avoidant.
Stop giving a fuck about these meme illnesses. They are written just like horoscopes, to suit everyone on some level. It's a big lie. Unless you believe you are Jesus reincarnated and talk with god casually then you don't have any serious problems.
>>189720
well yeah I can check the boxes of almost every DSM symptom except those involving sex addiction and social manipulation
well yeah I can check the boxes of almost every DSM symptom except those involving sex addiction and social manipulation
how do i amplify this and make it look worse to the neetbux doctor? do i need to pretend and change my magic spec to something else
>>189938
I'm interested in this too. I think I'm autistic enough to give "weirdo vibes" (also I'm a +30 years old hikkiNEET, only leave my house to go to the library twice a month) but not enough to get proper NEETbux for life, not even here in Europe. I bet >>189943 has a point, I wonder what would happen if I was totally honest with a psychiatrist / psychologist like just talk about my sincere promortalist, anti-life, antiwork and extreme pessimistic worldview, maybe I could get a more serious diagnosis from their meme psychiatric handbook.
I'm interested in this too. I think I'm autistic enough to give "weirdo vibes" (also I'm a +30 years old hikkiNEET, only leave my house to go to the library twice a month) but not enough to get proper NEETbux for life, not even here in Europe. I bet >>189943 has a point, I wonder what would happen if I was totally honest with a psychiatrist / psychologist like just talk about my sincere promortalist, anti-life, antiwork and extreme pessimistic worldview, maybe I could get a more serious diagnosis from their meme psychiatric handbook.
>>189975
The system once again proves that it is set up to eradicate those who under-perform. "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and all that
The system once again proves that it is set up to eradicate those who under-perform. "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and all that
i am not really sure what i have
autism
schizophrenia(i was diagnosed with a learning disability but it could be disorganized thinking, and asociality is a symptom of schizophrenia. my brother was diagnosed with schizophrenia. it runs in the family)
schizo personality disorder
aphasia or learning disability( i have memory issues or cognitive issues. i was diagnosed with a learning disability in high school)
it could be either one of these. cognitive issues is one of the main reasons i am asocial, and i can't find work
i am such a cheapskate that i don't want to pay for doctor or psychiatrist to have myself checked out. i don't want to pay for medication and be dependent on medication for the rest of my life.
i refuse to see a doctor. same with therapist or whatever you need for bux. i dont want to interact with those kind of people. but this is what modern society has settled on, if you need soemthing you get it through these people. i wish we had robot doctors and therapists that could scan my brain and just give me bux for being retarded
yes, althought i would not descirbe it as hell
schizoid is surprisingly accurate in describing wizardly person's traits and disposition
schizoid is surprisingly accurate in describing wizardly person's traits and disposition
>>189975
you don't need any of this to see a shrink. as i said i have always been myself and been honest about my situation and it was all it took.
you don't need any of this to see a shrink. as i said i have always been myself and been honest about my situation and it was all it took.
>>190022
Its even worse, when robots that scan the brain start being popular, the corporations will start opening jobs that are perfect for your particular brain, did you know that you gravitate towards certain professions depending on the areas of the brain you use?
Its even worse, when robots that scan the brain start being popular, the corporations will start opening jobs that are perfect for your particular brain, did you know that you gravitate towards certain professions depending on the areas of the brain you use?
>>190065
It will never happen. Normalfaggots actually have a tremendous complex about their intelligence, cerebral narcissism is widespread. Because of this, they can only touch on intelligence in roundabout ways like requiring a university degree, giving people a way to cope about "being a different kind of learner" or ADHD if they don't make it. IQ tests, which are pretty good at filtering out actual dummies, aren't widespread for that very reason.
It will never happen. Normalfaggots actually have a tremendous complex about their intelligence, cerebral narcissism is widespread. Because of this, they can only touch on intelligence in roundabout ways like requiring a university degree, giving people a way to cope about "being a different kind of learner" or ADHD if they don't make it. IQ tests, which are pretty good at filtering out actual dummies, aren't widespread for that very reason.
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>>190024
This. Is schizoid bad? Or is it the mainstream trying to enforce personality conformity?
This. Is schizoid bad? Or is it the mainstream trying to enforce personality conformity?
>>190947
I have an intense hatred towards coomers. It seems like there's more of them than ever and they ruin everything they infest.
I have an intense hatred towards coomers. It seems like there's more of them than ever and they ruin everything they infest.
>>190949
>jerking off is bad
ok so how do you suggest a wizard gets dopamine, oxytocin, and endorphins?
jerking off is basically the only way you can do all that by yourself, if you aren't burned out on videogames, and aren't autistic enough to derive pleasure from learning and programming or art
>jerking off is bad
ok so how do you suggest a wizard gets dopamine, oxytocin, and endorphins?
jerking off is basically the only way you can do all that by yourself, if you aren't burned out on videogames, and aren't autistic enough to derive pleasure from learning and programming or art
I think schizoids are just people with attachment issues who are depressed and dead inside because of isolation but they're in denial about having a problem. Emotional deadening is a symptom of severe long-term depression. It's not okay just because you don't feel actively bad. You also don't feel actively good or interested in anything.
>>19096
some of us are dead from upbringing/traumatic experiences or current living situation
some of us are dead from upbringing/traumatic experiences or current living situation
>>190961
I highly disagree when I was in high school I rejected 3 succubi who were interested in me and I avoided everyone so just to not talk to them.I always liked solitude and silence and find people annoying nuisance.I do have schizoid fantesies like living in anothet planet alone or in antarctica as sole living in high tech bunker.You don’t know anything about schizoids
I highly disagree when I was in high school I rejected 3 succubi who were interested in me and I avoided everyone so just to not talk to them.I always liked solitude and silence and find people annoying nuisance.I do have schizoid fantesies like living in anothet planet alone or in antarctica as sole living in high tech bunker.You don’t know anything about schizoids
>>190961
people simply are who they are. whether aspects of them is a problem or not is dependent on their environment and society's view, it has nothing to do with judgment on the person themself
people simply are who they are. whether aspects of them is a problem or not is dependent on their environment and society's view, it has nothing to do with judgment on the person themself
>>190971
meh, I still think you're just coping with denial. Basically I just think schizoids are more narcissistic versions of avoidants and unlike avoidants are unable to admit any weakness or fault with themselves. Being afraid of intimacy would be a sign of weakness therefore you say you never wanted intimacy to begin with. It's just sour grapes. Notice how you have to brag about how many succubi you rejected. That is because my post ruffled your feathers and made you search for narcissistic supply. "They're not rejecting me, I'm rejecting them!" It's basically just a response to your internal insecurity.
meh, I still think you're just coping with denial. Basically I just think schizoids are more narcissistic versions of avoidants and unlike avoidants are unable to admit any weakness or fault with themselves. Being afraid of intimacy would be a sign of weakness therefore you say you never wanted intimacy to begin with. It's just sour grapes. Notice how you have to brag about how many succubi you rejected. That is because my post ruffled your feathers and made you search for narcissistic supply. "They're not rejecting me, I'm rejecting them!" It's basically just a response to your internal insecurity.
>>186417
I can relate, but I think you are overreacting over self-diagnose.
> I can barely think clearly, remember anything, learn, speak. I look and act like a freak, I can't work socialize or go out in public. I can't remember 99% of my life.
Me too, but I think it's because lack of proper sleep, sleeping at day and being awake at night, lack of speaking, lack of socializing, brainfog, etc.
>My pupils are constantly dilated, I can't coordinate my movements well, I bump into walls because my depth perception and motor skills are so bad. I have even experienced mild hallucinations, mostly visual and tactile, only had full auditory hallucinations once when smoking weed. Its literally a living purgatory. I have to kill myself soon before I lose the willpower, the impoverishment of my will and thinking has become nearly complete.
Hold down, stop with the weed. I relate to that as well, but it's because lack of exercise, not going outside and mine hallucinations are listening people invading my house and maggots inside my skin, so aside the weed, I think you are fine.
>I've read its essentially an attention deficit, those who are schizotypal can't keep up in social situations because they have an extreme attention span deficit.
It's hard to say that is attention span deficit when you are in internet 24/7 and full time consuming information. Try get out internet, I did and realized that.
>Anyhow, I am already dead, the person I am is gone, I'm a zombie. Count yourself lucky if you are non psychotic, your problems aren't so bad I promise.
You are overreacting, calm down. I feel like a zombied and I want to die too, but I know there's a way and a solution, but it's hard.
I can relate, but I think you are overreacting over self-diagnose.
> I can barely think clearly, remember anything, learn, speak. I look and act like a freak, I can't work socialize or go out in public. I can't remember 99% of my life.
Me too, but I think it's because lack of proper sleep, sleeping at day and being awake at night, lack of speaking, lack of socializing, brainfog, etc.
>My pupils are constantly dilated, I can't coordinate my movements well, I bump into walls because my depth perception and motor skills are so bad. I have even experienced mild hallucinations, mostly visual and tactile, only had full auditory hallucinations once when smoking weed. Its literally a living purgatory. I have to kill myself soon before I lose the willpower, the impoverishment of my will and thinking has become nearly complete.
Hold down, stop with the weed. I relate to that as well, but it's because lack of exercise, not going outside and mine hallucinations are listening people invading my house and maggots inside my skin, so aside the weed, I think you are fine.
>I've read its essentially an attention deficit, those who are schizotypal can't keep up in social situations because they have an extreme attention span deficit.
It's hard to say that is attention span deficit when you are in internet 24/7 and full time consuming information. Try get out internet, I did and realized that.
>Anyhow, I am already dead, the person I am is gone, I'm a zombie. Count yourself lucky if you are non psychotic, your problems aren't so bad I promise.
You are overreacting, calm down. I feel like a zombied and I want to die too, but I know there's a way and a solution, but it's hard.
>>185955
>describe the hell i have been living in
um from a schizoid point of view it is not a hell. they prefer to be away from other people. the fact that you describe it as a hell means you are not a schizoid
>describe the hell i have been living in
um from a schizoid point of view it is not a hell. they prefer to be away from other people. the fact that you describe it as a hell means you are not a schizoid
>>190983
You butthurt failed normal think everyone is like you and can’t comprehend that some people just do not want relationships.I never wanted friends even when I was small kid I prefered playing with my toys alone and my mother forced me to play with my brother and other boys which I hated.I despise emotional and physical intimate relationships and failed normals like you could never understand that
You butthurt failed normal think everyone is like you and can’t comprehend that some people just do not want relationships.I never wanted friends even when I was small kid I prefered playing with my toys alone and my mother forced me to play with my brother and other boys which I hated.I despise emotional and physical intimate relationships and failed normals like you could never understand that
>>190993
just respond to them like i did >>190962 . such a retarded person isn't worth words.
"you have a problem you dont know you have" is like the definition of feminine psychiatry , it's just so retarded and embarrassing theres nothing more to say. schizoid is a complicated enough disease already on its own, too complicated. but some facebook faggot is going to come and try and add more layers of feminine abstract complexity to it as if he knows anything about anything. and you give him attention for some reason lol
just respond to them like i did >>190962 . such a retarded person isn't worth words.
"you have a problem you dont know you have" is like the definition of feminine psychiatry , it's just so retarded and embarrassing theres nothing more to say. schizoid is a complicated enough disease already on its own, too complicated. but some facebook faggot is going to come and try and add more layers of feminine abstract complexity to it as if he knows anything about anything. and you give him attention for some reason lol
Seeing what a celeb gossip columnist he has turned into, makes me ashamed that I used him to self-diagnose myself with schizoid
>>191014
Welp, it finally happened. Every site I visit has the face of one or two of those idiots linked somewhere. Can we move this case to some jurisdiction where both parties are accused of a capital crime and then get shot immediately? There must be an African country somewhere in there we can make this work.
Welp, it finally happened. Every site I visit has the face of one or two of those idiots linked somewhere. Can we move this case to some jurisdiction where both parties are accused of a capital crime and then get shot immediately? There must be an African country somewhere in there we can make this work.
>>190983
There could be a case where someone is born with no social desires.
There could be another case where they learn to remove their desires in response to social trauma in their childhood.
Both cases lead to the same situation, a person with no social desire, so it makes no real difference. Sour grapes - if so, who gives a shit, why does it matter?
There could be a case where someone is born with no social desires.
There could be another case where they learn to remove their desires in response to social trauma in their childhood.
Both cases lead to the same situation, a person with no social desire, so it makes no real difference. Sour grapes - if so, who gives a shit, why does it matter?
i am probably a schizoid because i don't see my lack of a social life as a problem i need to fix
if i am depressed it's because i have no money to live independently. it has nothing to do with the lack of a social life
if i am depressed it's because i have no money to live independently. it has nothing to do with the lack of a social life
Schizoid personality disorder is interesting because its not often seen as a downside by the people who have it. Psychiatric illness is defined by how an illness effects your ability to engage in work and relationships. But schizoids want to be alone and don't view it as a pathology. I've heard for this reason that the disorder might be under represented since if no one is coming forwards for 'treatment' its hard to say what the prevalence might be.
If no one is seeking treatment, few are being diagnosed, and 'impairment' doesn't exist for the client to be considered as having a disorder. So what's more likely is a psychiatrist might note that you have 'schizoid tendencies' rather than diagnosing you with a personality disorder. Even if you probably met the criteria for it. I think personality disorders are a speciality, too, so you would also have to find psychiatrists who were familiar with them. Actual schizoids would be very rare.
If no one is seeking treatment, few are being diagnosed, and 'impairment' doesn't exist for the client to be considered as having a disorder. So what's more likely is a psychiatrist might note that you have 'schizoid tendencies' rather than diagnosing you with a personality disorder. Even if you probably met the criteria for it. I think personality disorders are a speciality, too, so you would also have to find psychiatrists who were familiar with them. Actual schizoids would be very rare.
>>191028
Spot on, anon. I was diagnosed with SPD about half a year ago and you've reminded me of a previous psychiatrist who noted "schizoid tendencies" years beforehand.
I didn't look into it much then, and even with the diagnosis itself I'm not too bothered. When you speak to these people especially in a clinical setting, it's as if they're rapid-firing memorized questions and responses; they don't seem to care about looking deeper so much as diagnosing ASAP and prescribing or adjusting meds. At least that was my experience; it made me question what exactly drives the psychiatric field and if one should fixate on their diagnosis too much.
As for meds they've been largely ineffective or detrimental (I'd suggest anyone interested to look into the chemistry behind these). Antipsychotics zombify and usually come with "secondary" meds which are given to suppress side-effects such as akathisia. SSRIs feel like placebo in my case. Benzos have possibly got me hooked for life, and even though I was overusing/abusing, the addictive properties of this stuff are severely under-reported.
I'd advise people not to trust anyone blindly, and if you meet with a therapist don't hesitate to voice your concerns. One way or another they're paid to provide you a service — you are their client.
Spot on, anon. I was diagnosed with SPD about half a year ago and you've reminded me of a previous psychiatrist who noted "schizoid tendencies" years beforehand.
I didn't look into it much then, and even with the diagnosis itself I'm not too bothered. When you speak to these people especially in a clinical setting, it's as if they're rapid-firing memorized questions and responses; they don't seem to care about looking deeper so much as diagnosing ASAP and prescribing or adjusting meds. At least that was my experience; it made me question what exactly drives the psychiatric field and if one should fixate on their diagnosis too much.
As for meds they've been largely ineffective or detrimental (I'd suggest anyone interested to look into the chemistry behind these). Antipsychotics zombify and usually come with "secondary" meds which are given to suppress side-effects such as akathisia. SSRIs feel like placebo in my case. Benzos have possibly got me hooked for life, and even though I was overusing/abusing, the addictive properties of this stuff are severely under-reported.
I'd advise people not to trust anyone blindly, and if you meet with a therapist don't hesitate to voice your concerns. One way or another they're paid to provide you a service — you are their client.
>>191038
Look up whatever it’s used to treat and parrot a subjective description of the symptoms of that to a doctor. They’ll feel smart for identifying the name for it and think it’s their idea. If you straight up say “I have anxiety and want Xanax” it’s a coin toss on whether they are secure enough to take you at your word or decide it threatens them and deny you.
Look up whatever it’s used to treat and parrot a subjective description of the symptoms of that to a doctor. They’ll feel smart for identifying the name for it and think it’s their idea. If you straight up say “I have anxiety and want Xanax” it’s a coin toss on whether they are secure enough to take you at your word or decide it threatens them and deny you.
>>190941
You're not too old.
The trick is that you aren't competing against anyone, you are only competing against who you were yesterday.
Focus only on your personal quest. If anyone is saying something that is holding you back (e.g. someone saying "you're too old"), ignore them completely.
Also the progress will be slow at first. Thus, learning to appreciate small steps forward is a key skill for the early stages.
You're not too old.
The trick is that you aren't competing against anyone, you are only competing against who you were yesterday.
Focus only on your personal quest. If anyone is saying something that is holding you back (e.g. someone saying "you're too old"), ignore them completely.
Also the progress will be slow at first. Thus, learning to appreciate small steps forward is a key skill for the early stages.
>>186417
Yeah that attention deficit issues are a drain for people with schizotypal like me. I'm diagnosed schizotypal.
Yeah that attention deficit issues are a drain for people with schizotypal like me. I'm diagnosed schizotypal.
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Anyone know a chan exclusively for 30+ schizoids?
>>192341
Schizoids can be normalfags with friends, a job, education and romantic partners. Or so I've read when I search around for schizoid. Really, they shouldn't, because I can't imagine myself having any of those things.
So maybe it's like how normalfags co-opted Depression to mean feeling kinda sad sometimes. Everyone is calling themselves schizoid .
Schizoids can be normalfags with friends, a job, education and romantic partners. Or so I've read when I search around for schizoid. Really, they shouldn't, because I can't imagine myself having any of those things.
So maybe it's like how normalfags co-opted Depression to mean feeling kinda sad sometimes. Everyone is calling themselves schizoid .
>>192353
Those are just Americans diagnosed with whatever the fuck they want.
>So maybe it's like how normalfags co-opted Depression to mean feeling kinda sad sometimes. Everyone is calling themselves schizoid .
Exactly.
Those are just Americans diagnosed with whatever the fuck they want.
>So maybe it's like how normalfags co-opted Depression to mean feeling kinda sad sometimes. Everyone is calling themselves schizoid .
Exactly.
>>192353
There is no way a schizoid could live a life like that, its just straight impossible.
There is no way a schizoid could live a life like that, its just straight impossible.
>>192401
Oh I think it's possible, just in the same way it would be possible for someone allergic to fur to run a kennel, it would be wearysome but a lot of things can be forced.
Oh I think it's possible, just in the same way it would be possible for someone allergic to fur to run a kennel, it would be wearysome but a lot of things can be forced.
i think a lot of people glossed over this, but looking into further literature on the topic, being "exquisitely sensitive" seems to be touted as one of the main characteristics of a schizoid. in the wikipedia page this is mentioned like twice so its easy to miss, but consistently you will see researchers starting off their descriptions of SPD by trying to emphasize how sensitive schizoids are. i feel like i can fully identify with SPD like many others here but i dont at all see myself being overly sensitive. i wonder do any of you guys feel that youre really sensitive? or maybe the doctors are just wrong in their descriptions of SPD?
>>192532
I’m really sensitive in sense bad experiences from the past makes me still feel bad even after long time.
I’m really sensitive in sense bad experiences from the past makes me still feel bad even after long time.
>>192534
Same. Even minor gaffs or awkwardness eats me up inside for at least a full week, and thinking about it long after it's faded from conscious memory is still painful. It's probably experienced as a unique form of sensitivity from what normalfags would typically think of.
Same. Even minor gaffs or awkwardness eats me up inside for at least a full week, and thinking about it long after it's faded from conscious memory is still painful. It's probably experienced as a unique form of sensitivity from what normalfags would typically think of.
>>192532
Yes. As a kid the bullies figured out how fragile I was. Shoot me a look and it completely ruins me. I don't know if it makes sense but there this sniveling rat fuck look that bullies get on their face. I conditioned to suppress showing any positive emotion because they were always waiting to pounce at the slightest crack of a smile to knock me down. I think they relish in how easy I was.
One memory in particular hit me hard. As a teen I was at a theme park. On a ride I got caught in the moment outwardly expressing my enjoyment. Some douche mockingly mirrored the way I was in the moment. I can still remember to this day my face immediately just dropped blank, shoulders sunk, and I sat silently until the ride was over. I put my head down and shuffled away quickly. Whole day ruined. Whole life since then it still nags me.
Am I exquisitely sensitive? I'd say so. I'm still like this to this day. Minor stumbles which don't seem to faze the average person can bother me for years.
Yes. As a kid the bullies figured out how fragile I was. Shoot me a look and it completely ruins me. I don't know if it makes sense but there this sniveling rat fuck look that bullies get on their face. I conditioned to suppress showing any positive emotion because they were always waiting to pounce at the slightest crack of a smile to knock me down. I think they relish in how easy I was.
One memory in particular hit me hard. As a teen I was at a theme park. On a ride I got caught in the moment outwardly expressing my enjoyment. Some douche mockingly mirrored the way I was in the moment. I can still remember to this day my face immediately just dropped blank, shoulders sunk, and I sat silently until the ride was over. I put my head down and shuffled away quickly. Whole day ruined. Whole life since then it still nags me.
Am I exquisitely sensitive? I'd say so. I'm still like this to this day. Minor stumbles which don't seem to faze the average person can bother me for years.
>>192532
i dont think im more sensitive than anyone else, maybe being somewhat autistic dampens it
i dont think im more sensitive than anyone else, maybe being somewhat autistic dampens it
Probably most of us. You do know these disorders are political diagnoses? If you have no one and nothing, and you've been shunned by society as most of us have, you're going to withdraw and become listless because there really isn't much point to life. We're always political animals and we can only deny it for so long. Humanity is just taking the mask off and showing what they always were. The idea that we were ever going to have a world where we could get along was always a myth, barely believed. If you've been paying attention, the real plan has been clear for a long time, and in the 1990s they were already coming out with grand plans to eliminate people who no longer served any function in society. There was no longer a need for soldiers or labor in the way they were needed during the 20th century, and the leaders of the world never wanted us in their society from the start. We were only pretending we had a place for a time, because it was possible then.
>>192557
>Probably most of us
No, I have to disagree. Receding from society does not make you schizoid. The principle schizoid trait is the lack of desire for personal relationships. I rarely, if ever, see this type of behavior.
It's always "I tried to find friends/a girlfriend/a place in society but I was shunned so I gave up" When in my case I never desired it at all.
>Probably most of us
No, I have to disagree. Receding from society does not make you schizoid. The principle schizoid trait is the lack of desire for personal relationships. I rarely, if ever, see this type of behavior.
It's always "I tried to find friends/a girlfriend/a place in society but I was shunned so I gave up" When in my case I never desired it at all.
>>192603
Normal people don't actually desire personal relationships in the way we're supposed to believe is "normal". In modern society we are fed very maladaptive ideas of what friendship and marriage entailed. Historically, marriage had nothing to do with love or the psychological games people play, and had everything to do with money, business, social standing. That's really how it remains even now, but there is a whole elaborate ritual where we are not allowed to speak openly about how relationships of that sort are actually arranged (hint, it's underground orgies for the "liberated" types). As for friendships, the social forms of the past century are designed specifically to prohibit friendships and all the ways people used to share a common cause. The totalitarian societies of the 20th century were all premised on the State and its institutions intervening in the most minute affairs, and putting a stopper in any organic structure the people might have made for themselves, democratic or otherwise. That's why you have cops and lawyers and social workers and psychologists and a whole system of experts telling you literally everything you can do. It's why you have ridiculous levels of lawfare and institutions that are all designed to kill you. In that environment, people who are worn out, cast out of society, or just useless to the society, become "schizoid", or "bipolar", or various other categories which basically amount to "worthless human being". Ask any psychologist what they actually think, and they will tell you they think the mental defectives really are just worthless people and need to be removed from society. They have multiple strategies on how to remove those people. It used to be they just said "retarded" or "insane", and everything was tied into some conception of intelligence that was given outsized importance. Without an actual theory of psychology at the basic level, it was always going to be politicized.
The symptoms of being "schizoid" have a lot to do with someone who is listless, who likely is treated like shit from an early age, who is typically male, who is often put through remedial education in some way or another and told from birth they are worthless, who is told by the whole society that they should have been aborted. If that is the world they live in, it is likely that they would become fatigued and their brains would literally rot from being starved out of meaningful belonging. Add to that a society which poisons people and seeks to drive people insane with increasingly absurd rules for the most basic social participation and outrageous double-standards, and then consider that the people in favored positions announce they want to depopulate the world and get rid of people who are no longer useful for them. It's designed to destroy people, and the people have been destroyed over the past several decades. I didn't even get into the experiment with mass drugging, the social experiments in the schools, or the shit they've done with our food and water to drive down quality. Then people are subjected to "healthcare" which is entirely driven by eugenicist goals and openly throws away the unwanted parts of the populace. It's like night and day how differently I am treated at the hospital than a normal. I've seen it enough. They won't do a damn thing for me unless I'm ready to lawyer and basically diagnose myself.
Normal people don't actually desire personal relationships in the way we're supposed to believe is "normal". In modern society we are fed very maladaptive ideas of what friendship and marriage entailed. Historically, marriage had nothing to do with love or the psychological games people play, and had everything to do with money, business, social standing. That's really how it remains even now, but there is a whole elaborate ritual where we are not allowed to speak openly about how relationships of that sort are actually arranged (hint, it's underground orgies for the "liberated" types). As for friendships, the social forms of the past century are designed specifically to prohibit friendships and all the ways people used to share a common cause. The totalitarian societies of the 20th century were all premised on the State and its institutions intervening in the most minute affairs, and putting a stopper in any organic structure the people might have made for themselves, democratic or otherwise. That's why you have cops and lawyers and social workers and psychologists and a whole system of experts telling you literally everything you can do. It's why you have ridiculous levels of lawfare and institutions that are all designed to kill you. In that environment, people who are worn out, cast out of society, or just useless to the society, become "schizoid", or "bipolar", or various other categories which basically amount to "worthless human being". Ask any psychologist what they actually think, and they will tell you they think the mental defectives really are just worthless people and need to be removed from society. They have multiple strategies on how to remove those people. It used to be they just said "retarded" or "insane", and everything was tied into some conception of intelligence that was given outsized importance. Without an actual theory of psychology at the basic level, it was always going to be politicized.
The symptoms of being "schizoid" have a lot to do with someone who is listless, who likely is treated like shit from an early age, who is typically male, who is often put through remedial education in some way or another and told from birth they are worthless, who is told by the whole society that they should have been aborted. If that is the world they live in, it is likely that they would become fatigued and their brains would literally rot from being starved out of meaningful belonging. Add to that a society which poisons people and seeks to drive people insane with increasingly absurd rules for the most basic social participation and outrageous double-standards, and then consider that the people in favored positions announce they want to depopulate the world and get rid of people who are no longer useful for them. It's designed to destroy people, and the people have been destroyed over the past several decades. I didn't even get into the experiment with mass drugging, the social experiments in the schools, or the shit they've done with our food and water to drive down quality. Then people are subjected to "healthcare" which is entirely driven by eugenicist goals and openly throws away the unwanted parts of the populace. It's like night and day how differently I am treated at the hospital than a normal. I've seen it enough. They won't do a damn thing for me unless I'm ready to lawyer and basically diagnose myself.
>>192616
If everyone encountered this many stone walls of rejection anywhere they go when they speak to the world, they would become listless. How can anyone tear themselves apart trying to work against a world that clearly doesn't want them? What started as a speech impediment or some minor social dysfunction is turned into total social death. This is not entirely new - stutterers used to be just killed on sight - but it has become a science and now it is a social obligation to uphold eugenics.
If everyone encountered this many stone walls of rejection anywhere they go when they speak to the world, they would become listless. How can anyone tear themselves apart trying to work against a world that clearly doesn't want them? What started as a speech impediment or some minor social dysfunction is turned into total social death. This is not entirely new - stutterers used to be just killed on sight - but it has become a science and now it is a social obligation to uphold eugenics.
>>192616
Have you ever perhaps tried to accept some sliver of personal responsibility for the way you turned out, instead of going on ridiculous persecutory rants? Whatever the reason (and it's often irrelevant especially as you get older), some people just do not give a shit about forming relationships. That's all it is.
Have you ever perhaps tried to accept some sliver of personal responsibility for the way you turned out, instead of going on ridiculous persecutory rants? Whatever the reason (and it's often irrelevant especially as you get older), some people just do not give a shit about forming relationships. That's all it is.
>>192621
How can personal responsibility exist when there is no free will and we are entirely shaped by a combination of random factors (our genetics and upbringing)? You are missing the most basic logic, tied down by broken cultural concepts
How can personal responsibility exist when there is no free will and we are entirely shaped by a combination of random factors (our genetics and upbringing)? You are missing the most basic logic, tied down by broken cultural concepts
>>192616
You're trying to co-opt the schizoid label as a method of societal criticism. As if people who secluded themselves from society never existed in the past (e.g christian monks).
You're trying to co-opt the schizoid label as a method of societal criticism. As if people who secluded themselves from society never existed in the past (e.g christian monks).
>>185959
Because they want to play a trick on you, so may never fully heal from whatever you have… which is not being schizoid by itself, it seems
>let's normalize this weirdo a bit and then we'll be able to have lunch in peace
Because they want to play a trick on you, so may never fully heal from whatever you have… which is not being schizoid by itself, it seems
>let's normalize this weirdo a bit and then we'll be able to have lunch in peace
I decided to go get a diagnosis for SPD because the lack of motivation was really annoying, and I figured I could at least see if medication helped.
>>193120
Motivation can't be given by a drug. I've tried all the stimulants and several SSRIs. Motivation is internal it comes from emotions or strong values, which schizoids have neither. I am trying to be content with living as a person with no goals or hobbies.
Motivation can't be given by a drug. I've tried all the stimulants and several SSRIs. Motivation is internal it comes from emotions or strong values, which schizoids have neither. I am trying to be content with living as a person with no goals or hobbies.
It's funny how much of these "diagnostics" are pure projection of other peoples' bullshit. I don't "live in my own world". I live in the actual world and have been rejected from the proper, political society, as have a lot of other people. How can I associate with people who immediately reject me on sight because I look funny? I've tried and it never ends well. Yet, I'm talking to you good people, and I've managed to find a way to interface with the world to the extent I am allowed to. It was never going to be much, but whose fault is that exactly? I don't expect other people to ever let me join them for much of anything. It really does become lonely here, and despite their stupid beliefs, I do enjoy the company of others and having dialogue. I might be one of the few who actually likes humans in this world, which probably makes me sicker. Most people only really like their buddies who will enable their bullshit, and the moment that is no longer possible, your "friends" will just throw you to the wolves. That's how they do it in the military culture, for sure. They'd be stupid if they didn't do it that way and maintained some stupid sentimentality.
If you dealt with what these things actually were neurologically, or what the actual behavior and thought process was, it would be far less useful politically. If you acknowledged this as what it was, you'd have to confront some ugly truths about humanity and the pretenses we make about this society. Everyone is a potential "schizoid" by these definitions. All it requires is for someone to be fingered and broken successfully, and then the pattern can be become learned. Some may be more breakable than others, some may have a stutter or some neurological defect that makes them vulnerable to attack, but it is in the end a political decision to decide if someone is defective and unfit for society. I've seen so many obviously deranged people held up as paragons of sanity. It's why we're told Elon Musk is great when he's obviously autismo and a gigantic jackass.
If you dealt with what these things actually were neurologically, or what the actual behavior and thought process was, it would be far less useful politically. If you acknowledged this as what it was, you'd have to confront some ugly truths about humanity and the pretenses we make about this society. Everyone is a potential "schizoid" by these definitions. All it requires is for someone to be fingered and broken successfully, and then the pattern can be become learned. Some may be more breakable than others, some may have a stutter or some neurological defect that makes them vulnerable to attack, but it is in the end a political decision to decide if someone is defective and unfit for society. I've seen so many obviously deranged people held up as paragons of sanity. It's why we're told Elon Musk is great when he's obviously autismo and a gigantic jackass.
>>192621
"Personal responsibility" is a codeword for someone who is targeted for humiliation and told to blame themselves for things which are obviously the work of other people. They don't care about anything I actually did, unless they can use it as a pretext to start their screeching again. They only want me to die as soon as possible, and any other behavior is immediately suspect. I've tried working with them. They do not want me to live, or most of us.
>>192625
"Free will" exists, unless you're ascribing to nature a general will that is conscious in the way we are, which it doesn't actually possess. If you're speaking of a strictly materialistic, scientific explanation, individual actors are as free as they can be until some external force presses against them. There's no "force of nature" compelling universal behaviors. There are, of course, other people who are actors like yourself, in a struggle for life and dominance. That's politics, and until recently, we thought of humans as political animals. Anyway, enough of that… it's a childish retard topic because we live under eugenics, and eugenics makes these stupid non-arguments and fake controversies all the time to sell its essentially Satanic world-system.
>>192626
I never said the same factors today weren't present in the past. There have always been losers in society and places to sort people who weren't meant for civilization. What exists today is very different from what existed in the past, and it is mystification and "history is bunk" nonsense to claim otherwise. People do this because they want to screech like retards about things to make them true.
>>192618
Not every is treated like shit in the same way. If you managed to slip past the filter until you got charged with a crime and did time in a psych ward / prison, you're going to have a much better time of it. Sped is death. Really, if you see a kid in sped, just try to tell him as kindly as you can that he should kill himself now. It will never, ever be better for him, and he shouldn't contribute to this monstrosity of a society. I wish I didn't have to say this, and that there was something for us, but it really is that bad. I live on purely out of spite and the hope that this nightmare could be changed in some small way for the others, if they can avoid the screening process. If they are like me, I feel obligated to try and hide us from this beast, or at least tell them that it really wasn't going to be any different and they shouldn't be surprised at what humans are. It would be better if there were such a thing as clean death, but Satanic societies do not believe in that.
"Personal responsibility" is a codeword for someone who is targeted for humiliation and told to blame themselves for things which are obviously the work of other people. They don't care about anything I actually did, unless they can use it as a pretext to start their screeching again. They only want me to die as soon as possible, and any other behavior is immediately suspect. I've tried working with them. They do not want me to live, or most of us.
>>192625
"Free will" exists, unless you're ascribing to nature a general will that is conscious in the way we are, which it doesn't actually possess. If you're speaking of a strictly materialistic, scientific explanation, individual actors are as free as they can be until some external force presses against them. There's no "force of nature" compelling universal behaviors. There are, of course, other people who are actors like yourself, in a struggle for life and dominance. That's politics, and until recently, we thought of humans as political animals. Anyway, enough of that… it's a childish retard topic because we live under eugenics, and eugenics makes these stupid non-arguments and fake controversies all the time to sell its essentially Satanic world-system.
>>192626
I never said the same factors today weren't present in the past. There have always been losers in society and places to sort people who weren't meant for civilization. What exists today is very different from what existed in the past, and it is mystification and "history is bunk" nonsense to claim otherwise. People do this because they want to screech like retards about things to make them true.
>>192618
Not every is treated like shit in the same way. If you managed to slip past the filter until you got charged with a crime and did time in a psych ward / prison, you're going to have a much better time of it. Sped is death. Really, if you see a kid in sped, just try to tell him as kindly as you can that he should kill himself now. It will never, ever be better for him, and he shouldn't contribute to this monstrosity of a society. I wish I didn't have to say this, and that there was something for us, but it really is that bad. I live on purely out of spite and the hope that this nightmare could be changed in some small way for the others, if they can avoid the screening process. If they are like me, I feel obligated to try and hide us from this beast, or at least tell them that it really wasn't going to be any different and they shouldn't be surprised at what humans are. It would be better if there were such a thing as clean death, but Satanic societies do not believe in that.
>>195589
Caveat of course is that some people can survive the sped gauntlet if they aren't "actually" defective, and find a way to act in spite of the system.
Caveat of course is that some people can survive the sped gauntlet if they aren't "actually" defective, and find a way to act in spite of the system.
do you idiots know how rare it is to actually find someone who fits the diagnostics of this disorder? I worked at the front desk of a psychiatric office for 5 years and never encountered a single person who came in with or was given that diagnosis. The one person I do know, who was given a diagnosis of "mild" schizoid-like traits, basically raised himself from birth after his mother died at age 2 and he was passed over to an old demented grandmother with basically zero contribution from any other family member. He also has a social life and full-time job, has had girlfriends and even bitches chasing after him, he just exists as a husk of a human being running on elaborate autopilot with almost no real relationships outside of work friends and hobby handouts. Meeting him initially you can almost mistake him for just being an introvert but long term examination will quickly reveal the rotten empty core carefully covered up by the potemkin's village of work related smalltalk and acceptable participation in normie hobbies.
>>195612
I’m diagnosed as schizoid at age 16, I’m 29 now but schizoids never seeks help from psychologists or anyone else. I truly fit the entire criteria of it but unlike guy you described I did not get much attention from succubi except in high school.
I’m diagnosed as schizoid at age 16, I’m 29 now but schizoids never seeks help from psychologists or anyone else. I truly fit the entire criteria of it but unlike guy you described I did not get much attention from succubi except in high school.
>>195612there is no reason you should ever see a real schizoid seeking help from the momfuckers
>>195612
>do you idiots know how rare it is to actually find someone who fits the diagnostics of this disorder?
The operative word here is find. Someone who fits the diagnostics is most likely to be unseen, and unheard; and they like it that way too.
>do you idiots know how rare it is to actually find someone who fits the diagnostics of this disorder?
The operative word here is find. Someone who fits the diagnostics is most likely to be unseen, and unheard; and they like it that way too.
>>195612
That's just because psych stuff is a scam and they could probably sell more meds and procedures with other diagnosis.
That's just because psych stuff is a scam and they could probably sell more meds and procedures with other diagnosis.
>>195628
>>195630
If they do present for treatment then it's for something like depression related to existential loneliness like the example I gave above . There is no financial need to "misdiagnosis" someone like that with something else.
>>195628
This is true, but I doubt that it has an impact and overall tiny percentage of people who could theoretically be diagnosed under that criteria. It's not difficult to see after the initial encounter ands their would be anecdotal evidence by now of a huge population of hidden schizoids existing side-by-side with the rest of humanity that don't seek out treatment.
>>195630
If they do present for treatment then it's for something like depression related to existential loneliness like the example I gave above . There is no financial need to "misdiagnosis" someone like that with something else.
>>195628
This is true, but I doubt that it has an impact and overall tiny percentage of people who could theoretically be diagnosed under that criteria. It's not difficult to see after the initial encounter ands their would be anecdotal evidence by now of a huge population of hidden schizoids existing side-by-side with the rest of humanity that don't seek out treatment.
>>195635
I think we're in danger of drifting off target here. In your original post you seemed to be implying that the diagnosis is rare—thus the 'idiots' in the thread were mistaken in believing that they would probably meet the diagnostic criteria. Is that a correct interpretation on my part?
If so, then I would just say that a diagnosis can be both rare amongst 'humanity' as a whole as you put it, and relatively common within specific populations. Looking at it this way, I don't see it as unreasonable that it could be a somewhat common thing for the members of this site—one exclusively for male virgins who (ostensibly) eschew romantic relationships, social relationships, and may even be NEET etc.
Were this any other chan (i.e. full of normalfags and failed normalfags), I could perhaps see your point though.
I think we're in danger of drifting off target here. In your original post you seemed to be implying that the diagnosis is rare—thus the 'idiots' in the thread were mistaken in believing that they would probably meet the diagnostic criteria. Is that a correct interpretation on my part?
If so, then I would just say that a diagnosis can be both rare amongst 'humanity' as a whole as you put it, and relatively common within specific populations. Looking at it this way, I don't see it as unreasonable that it could be a somewhat common thing for the members of this site—one exclusively for male virgins who (ostensibly) eschew romantic relationships, social relationships, and may even be NEET etc.
Were this any other chan (i.e. full of normalfags and failed normalfags), I could perhaps see your point though.
>>195612
>>hmm these guys prefer to be alone in isolation… why wont they visit normville headquarters and talk with ratjew doctors?!!! why wont they let us help them!!??
why SHOULD they go to a fucking psych? and what would they do anyways? give them a cocktail of drugs because talk therapy (the only real treatment for personality disorders) doesn't work for schizoids? they think they are normal, but even if they recognize something is 'wrong', that doesn't seem to bother them
>lifelong pattern of indifference to others and social isolation
>people with this personality disorder rarely seek treatment
>people with this disorder often won't seek treatment
>people with schizoid personality disorder usually only seek treatment for a related problem, such as depression
>people with schizoid personality disorder tend not to seek out treatment
>social isolation often prevents the person from asking for help or support
>people with this disorder may have a hard time forming a good working relationship with a therapist
>they tend to view their condition as not conflicting with their self-image and their abnormal perceptions and behaviors as rational and appropriate
>people who have the disorder rarely seek treatment
>they do not think there is anything wrong
>most sufferers do not seek or want help, due to their preference for social isolation
>the schizoid personality is infrequently taught, rarely understood, and has few established clinical treatment recommendations. It is not usual to find that often clinicians can do little more than throw their hands up in the air, and dismiss these patients as untreatable using established treatments
>>hmm these guys prefer to be alone in isolation… why wont they visit normville headquarters and talk with ratjew doctors?!!! why wont they let us help them!!??
why SHOULD they go to a fucking psych? and what would they do anyways? give them a cocktail of drugs because talk therapy (the only real treatment for personality disorders) doesn't work for schizoids? they think they are normal, but even if they recognize something is 'wrong', that doesn't seem to bother them
>lifelong pattern of indifference to others and social isolation
>people with this personality disorder rarely seek treatment
>people with this disorder often won't seek treatment
>people with schizoid personality disorder usually only seek treatment for a related problem, such as depression
>people with schizoid personality disorder tend not to seek out treatment
>social isolation often prevents the person from asking for help or support
>people with this disorder may have a hard time forming a good working relationship with a therapist
>they tend to view their condition as not conflicting with their self-image and their abnormal perceptions and behaviors as rational and appropriate
>people who have the disorder rarely seek treatment
>they do not think there is anything wrong
>most sufferers do not seek or want help, due to their preference for social isolation
>the schizoid personality is infrequently taught, rarely understood, and has few established clinical treatment recommendations. It is not usual to find that often clinicians can do little more than throw their hands up in the air, and dismiss these patients as untreatable using established treatments
>>195639
I don't think schizoid personality disorder is even a disorder tbh. It's just a person who enjoys their own company and feels satisfied with what they have. I can understand why it's thought of as a 'disorder' though. In psychology: literally every experiment related to the deprivation of affection or isolated lead to the subject becoming depressed. But I argue that this isn't necessarily the case with the schizoid. They aren't 'normal' in the sense that they don't require interpersonal contact to be happy. But nevertheless, the field can't help but compare them to regular people who do need such contact.
I feel like a better comparison would be autism spectrum disorder (ASD.) People with ASD can have all kinds of functioning. They can become obsessed with a special interest or certain peculiar details. These aspects of autism can be an edge in certain fields that require that level of focus. Tech is a very good example. How many engineers have autism / are on the autism spectrum? If two engineers have kids the chances of their off-spring having autism go up astronomically. But I digress: there is increasingly a view that such people are 'neurodivergent' or different. They don't always just have negative symptoms. Schizoids are the same, IMO. Can you imagine how well a schizoid would do on a remote research post (with no humans) or even in space where they will never feel lonely? But NASA doesn't want anyone who even remotely aren't normalfags. So I doubt we'll ever see schizoid astronauts (who would fugging dominate.)
I don't think schizoid personality disorder is even a disorder tbh. It's just a person who enjoys their own company and feels satisfied with what they have. I can understand why it's thought of as a 'disorder' though. In psychology: literally every experiment related to the deprivation of affection or isolated lead to the subject becoming depressed. But I argue that this isn't necessarily the case with the schizoid. They aren't 'normal' in the sense that they don't require interpersonal contact to be happy. But nevertheless, the field can't help but compare them to regular people who do need such contact.
I feel like a better comparison would be autism spectrum disorder (ASD.) People with ASD can have all kinds of functioning. They can become obsessed with a special interest or certain peculiar details. These aspects of autism can be an edge in certain fields that require that level of focus. Tech is a very good example. How many engineers have autism / are on the autism spectrum? If two engineers have kids the chances of their off-spring having autism go up astronomically. But I digress: there is increasingly a view that such people are 'neurodivergent' or different. They don't always just have negative symptoms. Schizoids are the same, IMO. Can you imagine how well a schizoid would do on a remote research post (with no humans) or even in space where they will never feel lonely? But NASA doesn't want anyone who even remotely aren't normalfags. So I doubt we'll ever see schizoid astronauts (who would fugging dominate.)
>>195648
personality disorders in general are all like that, they aren't mentally ill or anything. any abnormality or deviation from cultural norms is bad, bad bad bad. psych is inherently negative and doesn't really look at the positives the individual gains from thinking and behaving that way
>you NEED to be socializing
>you need to want to be in a relationship so fucking bad it destroys your life and steers you blindly
>you MUST want to go and hang out with your coworkers because it's normal!
>you must want to be in a relationship!!!
>why are you alone, this freak is abnormal!!!
personality disorders in general are all like that, they aren't mentally ill or anything. any abnormality or deviation from cultural norms is bad, bad bad bad. psych is inherently negative and doesn't really look at the positives the individual gains from thinking and behaving that way
>you NEED to be socializing
>you need to want to be in a relationship so fucking bad it destroys your life and steers you blindly
>you MUST want to go and hang out with your coworkers because it's normal!
>you must want to be in a relationship!!!
>why are you alone, this freak is abnormal!!!
>>195638
Yes, that was my initial point. I see what you are saying as well, and would even agree to a certain extent, but that isn't ultimately the point. You can argue schizoid is the lowest level of developmental failure, worst than even the most nonfunctional narcs and bpd freaks.
There are so many more likely diagnostic frameworks like the above mentioned NPD, quiet BPD and even basic ass autism that creates the same kind of social outcomes you outlined. The amount of emotional investment/butthurt on the subject from so many posters is the biggest red flag IMO, that schizoid is not applicable for them
>>195648
more recent research has indicated many schizoids do in suffer from chronic existential loneliness, but lack the emotional infrastructure to either consciously feel, be aware of, or express this fact, and working towards developing that framework in any way would constitute a life threatening
peril to their highly primitive and undeveloped sense of self, so they stay in their cozy zone where they feel safe.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/247919672_Schizoid_personality_disorder_linked_to_unbearable_and_inescapable_loneliness
You can def argue that a lack of desire to change their situation is an indication that there is no disorder. However, it's a fact that this set of behaviors and life choices inhibits a person's ability to function and/or thrive over their lifetime in various ways (even if they manage to achieve the basic societal demands of interpersonal independence, employment, and even superficial interest in others) and is associated with net negative outcomes over a lifetime, so is it, in fact a disorder, unless we are doing that "my autism is a superpower" bullshit now
There is also no gold standard that this criteria cannot overlap with other, more typically hated personality disorder criteria. My one in the wild encounter with a actual diagnosed schizoid also displayed classic signs of vulnerable/butthurt narcissism, fishing for pity, ect
Yes, that was my initial point. I see what you are saying as well, and would even agree to a certain extent, but that isn't ultimately the point. You can argue schizoid is the lowest level of developmental failure, worst than even the most nonfunctional narcs and bpd freaks.
There are so many more likely diagnostic frameworks like the above mentioned NPD, quiet BPD and even basic ass autism that creates the same kind of social outcomes you outlined. The amount of emotional investment/butthurt on the subject from so many posters is the biggest red flag IMO, that schizoid is not applicable for them
>>195648
more recent research has indicated many schizoids do in suffer from chronic existential loneliness, but lack the emotional infrastructure to either consciously feel, be aware of, or express this fact, and working towards developing that framework in any way would constitute a life threatening
peril to their highly primitive and undeveloped sense of self, so they stay in their cozy zone where they feel safe.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/247919672_Schizoid_personality_disorder_linked_to_unbearable_and_inescapable_loneliness
You can def argue that a lack of desire to change their situation is an indication that there is no disorder. However, it's a fact that this set of behaviors and life choices inhibits a person's ability to function and/or thrive over their lifetime in various ways (even if they manage to achieve the basic societal demands of interpersonal independence, employment, and even superficial interest in others) and is associated with net negative outcomes over a lifetime, so is it, in fact a disorder, unless we are doing that "my autism is a superpower" bullshit now
There is also no gold standard that this criteria cannot overlap with other, more typically hated personality disorder criteria. My one in the wild encounter with a actual diagnosed schizoid also displayed classic signs of vulnerable/butthurt narcissism, fishing for pity, ect
>>195657
>suffer from chronic existential loneliness, but lack the emotional infrastructure to either consciously feel, be aware of, or express this fact, and working towards developing that framework in any way would constitute a life threatening
peril to their highly primitive and undeveloped sense of self, so they stay in their cozy zone where they feel safe.
This is basically how I was like when I was 18 - 23. I never thought about social relationships but whenever I somehow ended up around people I felt rattled. It was like being forced to confront how normal people gained substantial benefit from their relations. Yet I could not form a human connection in the same way as them. Even if a person 'liked' me I felt no sense of connection towards them. Not in a weird sociopathic way - but something was missing.
In social situations I would sit there and think about how all my relationships were basically just caricatures of the role I was expected to play. I had family members who 'loved me' but never felt love. I had friends who wanted to spend time with me but always felt alone. If I spent time with anyone I'd would actually only make me feel more lonely. I would sit and think about how what I was experiencing wasn't the same as anyone else was experiencing.
I had no desire to connect with other people but being around them made me feel like I was doing something wrong. Everywhere I looked I would see people –together–, happy, and smiling. I came to resent the fact that I was feeling like such a freak for not wanting that. I just wanted to be myself. To do something alone and not be thought of as some fucking weirdo. As an adult you can do whatever you want and people won't bother you. But this was not really possible as a young person unless you want to attract negative attention. It's hard to avoid people and go unnoticed if you're in high school or college.
>suffer from chronic existential loneliness, but lack the emotional infrastructure to either consciously feel, be aware of, or express this fact, and working towards developing that framework in any way would constitute a life threatening
peril to their highly primitive and undeveloped sense of self, so they stay in their cozy zone where they feel safe.
This is basically how I was like when I was 18 - 23. I never thought about social relationships but whenever I somehow ended up around people I felt rattled. It was like being forced to confront how normal people gained substantial benefit from their relations. Yet I could not form a human connection in the same way as them. Even if a person 'liked' me I felt no sense of connection towards them. Not in a weird sociopathic way - but something was missing.
In social situations I would sit there and think about how all my relationships were basically just caricatures of the role I was expected to play. I had family members who 'loved me' but never felt love. I had friends who wanted to spend time with me but always felt alone. If I spent time with anyone I'd would actually only make me feel more lonely. I would sit and think about how what I was experiencing wasn't the same as anyone else was experiencing.
I had no desire to connect with other people but being around them made me feel like I was doing something wrong. Everywhere I looked I would see people –together–, happy, and smiling. I came to resent the fact that I was feeling like such a freak for not wanting that. I just wanted to be myself. To do something alone and not be thought of as some fucking weirdo. As an adult you can do whatever you want and people won't bother you. But this was not really possible as a young person unless you want to attract negative attention. It's hard to avoid people and go unnoticed if you're in high school or college.
>>195648
It's a disorder because of the secondary effects: apathy, anhedonia, etc. I would agree that if not for those effects it would not qualify as a disorder.
It's a disorder because of the secondary effects: apathy, anhedonia, etc. I would agree that if not for those effects it would not qualify as a disorder.
>>195632
You just ask you family doctor(assuming you have one) and tell them you think you have spd. They then refer you to a psychologist who performs an assessment and provides a recommendation for further action. Schizoids are not psychotic so their not going to put you into a mental ward, unless they don't know the difference between schizoid and schizophrenia like most of the people in this thread. I doubt you'd get neetbux unless you live in a nordic country.
You just ask you family doctor(assuming you have one) and tell them you think you have spd. They then refer you to a psychologist who performs an assessment and provides a recommendation for further action. Schizoids are not psychotic so their not going to put you into a mental ward, unless they don't know the difference between schizoid and schizophrenia like most of the people in this thread. I doubt you'd get neetbux unless you live in a nordic country.
Checking in.
Got diagnosed at 15. At this time my parents couldn't understand why I didn't show any display of affection towards family members or friends. I was not resenting then and there was nothing wrong. Precisely, I felt nothing for them. I didn't wish them harm but I didn't want to be around them either. Being skyizioid is basically seeing people as objects. You may like some for their usefulness, aesthetics or simply out of habit, but you do not get attached to them in a emotional way.
I don't have trouble making friends but keeping them is almost impossible because I do not feel the need for interaction. I never text, never initiate contact and feel extremely disturbed if they call or invite me somewhere when I didn't plan for it. I also don't care about their problems and emotions and can't relate when they try to get sympathy. The most difficult aspect of being schizoid is not being alone or not feeling anything, it is seeing people around you being hurt by what you are and not understanding why.
It was especially hard with my mom. Sometimes she cried when I told her I didn't care about anyone (which I shouldn't have done, but I was young…) and she sees that I respect and like her out of gratitude and habit, but I don't feel anything more.
To me, this a blessing. It negates the effects of loneliness to a great extent and keeps me from being too depressed by wizardhood. I have a theory that SPD is in fact a coping mechanism for the brain for lonely people. I've read that it can come from negative reinforcement during childhood if social interactions are perceived as undesirable for various reasons (abuse, neglect, bullying, betrayal…). I don't really fit this profile but I find it interesting.
Got diagnosed at 15. At this time my parents couldn't understand why I didn't show any display of affection towards family members or friends. I was not resenting then and there was nothing wrong. Precisely, I felt nothing for them. I didn't wish them harm but I didn't want to be around them either. Being skyizioid is basically seeing people as objects. You may like some for their usefulness, aesthetics or simply out of habit, but you do not get attached to them in a emotional way.
I don't have trouble making friends but keeping them is almost impossible because I do not feel the need for interaction. I never text, never initiate contact and feel extremely disturbed if they call or invite me somewhere when I didn't plan for it. I also don't care about their problems and emotions and can't relate when they try to get sympathy. The most difficult aspect of being schizoid is not being alone or not feeling anything, it is seeing people around you being hurt by what you are and not understanding why.
It was especially hard with my mom. Sometimes she cried when I told her I didn't care about anyone (which I shouldn't have done, but I was young…) and she sees that I respect and like her out of gratitude and habit, but I don't feel anything more.
To me, this a blessing. It negates the effects of loneliness to a great extent and keeps me from being too depressed by wizardhood. I have a theory that SPD is in fact a coping mechanism for the brain for lonely people. I've read that it can come from negative reinforcement during childhood if social interactions are perceived as undesirable for various reasons (abuse, neglect, bullying, betrayal…). I don't really fit this profile but I find it interesting.
>>195706
Your description sounds more like psychopathy to me, since you seem to lack empathy
Your description sounds more like psychopathy to me, since you seem to lack empathy
>>195648
Schizoidism would be God Tier if I could enjoy myself. It would be the highest form of the ascetic lifestyle.
Schizoidism would be God Tier if I could enjoy myself. It would be the highest form of the ascetic lifestyle.
>>195707
No. Psycopathy includes lack of guilt and self-preservation instinct, impulsiveness and is often associated with self-destructive or harmful behavior. SPD is not.
A psychopath may want to harm someone and feel fun/pleasure in doing so. A schizoid wouldn't because he wouldn't get a reward from it. Although I could argue that schizoids may make excellent executioners or hitmen because of their lack of empathy.
No. Psycopathy includes lack of guilt and self-preservation instinct, impulsiveness and is often associated with self-destructive or harmful behavior. SPD is not.
A psychopath may want to harm someone and feel fun/pleasure in doing so. A schizoid wouldn't because he wouldn't get a reward from it. Although I could argue that schizoids may make excellent executioners or hitmen because of their lack of empathy.
>>195706
I've never been diagnosed with anything, but I can relate to everything you've said. I can't ever see myself making friends and having to interact with them daily for years.
I wasn't like this from the start though, at age 10-12 I had to spend months at a time trapped in my house, I would speak less than 10 sentences a day when I wasn't, mostly relying on nodding and shaking my head to get my point across, I got dragged to several psychiatrists and was humiliated on a daily basis for years, to the point I was thinking of killing myself every day from the humiliation alone. Then at age 14-15, when the trauma had properly sunk in, I just completely stopped giving a shit what people think and lost my social anxiety simultaneously, and I have not once tried to initiate social contact willingly since then.
I've never been diagnosed with anything, but I can relate to everything you've said. I can't ever see myself making friends and having to interact with them daily for years.
I wasn't like this from the start though, at age 10-12 I had to spend months at a time trapped in my house, I would speak less than 10 sentences a day when I wasn't, mostly relying on nodding and shaking my head to get my point across, I got dragged to several psychiatrists and was humiliated on a daily basis for years, to the point I was thinking of killing myself every day from the humiliation alone. Then at age 14-15, when the trauma had properly sunk in, I just completely stopped giving a shit what people think and lost my social anxiety simultaneously, and I have not once tried to initiate social contact willingly since then.
>>192341
there is a german forum dedicated to that, mostly populated by people older than 30. here the link https://www.schizoide-forum.de/
there is a german forum dedicated to that, mostly populated by people older than 30. here the link https://www.schizoide-forum.de/
>>195639
>>195648
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder#Criticism
>determination of what qualify as "impairments" or as "negative outcomes" is itself potentially subject to cultural bias. People with SzPD may not regard a lack of social-status or successful relationships, for example, as a harm. Furthermore, correlation with negative outcomes does not necessarily demonstrate that these outcomes were directly caused by the schizoid traits. Rather, it may be that these outcomes are the result of discrimination against people with SzPD, who may be viewed as abnormal.
This makes me want to write a "How to live with SzPD" book.
>>195648
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder#Criticism
>determination of what qualify as "impairments" or as "negative outcomes" is itself potentially subject to cultural bias. People with SzPD may not regard a lack of social-status or successful relationships, for example, as a harm. Furthermore, correlation with negative outcomes does not necessarily demonstrate that these outcomes were directly caused by the schizoid traits. Rather, it may be that these outcomes are the result of discrimination against people with SzPD, who may be viewed as abnormal.
This makes me want to write a "How to live with SzPD" book.
>>197842
>This makes me want to write a "How to live with SzPD" book.
But there's no way to live with it. at least I've never found a way. If you get no pleasure out of anything, and you don't even have motivation to do the things in the first place, how can you progress toward any stability? I can see myself just becoming homeless because I don't give a fuck and have never given a fuck.
>This makes me want to write a "How to live with SzPD" book.
But there's no way to live with it. at least I've never found a way. If you get no pleasure out of anything, and you don't even have motivation to do the things in the first place, how can you progress toward any stability? I can see myself just becoming homeless because I don't give a fuck and have never given a fuck.
>>197877
I don't care about curing it, I want to stay a hermit. I'm also apathetic about apathy (which I think is a more consistent response, but that's neither here nor there). Regardless, I do think there are a number of other things that would help me out. Let's go through some of the things on the list on Wikipedia:
>a lack of interest in social relationships
A list of methods for how to politely exit social situations, or what is the bare minimum.
>a tendency toward a solitary or sheltered lifestyle
Logistics for how to efficiently live alone
>secretiveness
Privacy guide
>emotional coldness
Basics for spotting certain emotions and how to react to them. (how to fake it so others don't notice)
>detachment and apathy
I'm apathetic to this one.
>Affected individuals may be unable to form intimate attachments to others and simultaneously possess a rich and elaborate but exclusively internal fantasy world.
Tulpa/world-building/etc. guide (Sidenote: isn't it weird how some of the things on this list contradict others on this list? E.g., "possess a rich and elaborate fantasy world," yet "lack of deriving enjoyment from most activities")
>Other associated features include stilted speech
Common enunciation errors to look out for.
>a lack of deriving enjoyment from most activities
Don't care about this one.
>feeling as though one is an "observer" rather than a participant in life
This one is nice.
>an inability to tolerate emotional expectations of others
Roll into the emotion guide above.
>apparent indifference when praised or criticized
Etiquette rules for this.
>a degree of asexuality
This hasn't been a problem for me.
>and idiosyncratic moral or political beliefs.
How to hide your power level.
I don't care about curing it, I want to stay a hermit. I'm also apathetic about apathy (which I think is a more consistent response, but that's neither here nor there). Regardless, I do think there are a number of other things that would help me out. Let's go through some of the things on the list on Wikipedia:
>a lack of interest in social relationships
A list of methods for how to politely exit social situations, or what is the bare minimum.
>a tendency toward a solitary or sheltered lifestyle
Logistics for how to efficiently live alone
>secretiveness
Privacy guide
>emotional coldness
Basics for spotting certain emotions and how to react to them. (how to fake it so others don't notice)
>detachment and apathy
I'm apathetic to this one.
>Affected individuals may be unable to form intimate attachments to others and simultaneously possess a rich and elaborate but exclusively internal fantasy world.
Tulpa/world-building/etc. guide (Sidenote: isn't it weird how some of the things on this list contradict others on this list? E.g., "possess a rich and elaborate fantasy world," yet "lack of deriving enjoyment from most activities")
>Other associated features include stilted speech
Common enunciation errors to look out for.
>a lack of deriving enjoyment from most activities
Don't care about this one.
>feeling as though one is an "observer" rather than a participant in life
This one is nice.
>an inability to tolerate emotional expectations of others
Roll into the emotion guide above.
>apparent indifference when praised or criticized
Etiquette rules for this.
>a degree of asexuality
This hasn't been a problem for me.
>and idiosyncratic moral or political beliefs.
How to hide your power level.
>>197895
You know thinking about it more, I think I could make an anhedonia guide. I mean, expectations have to be lowered. It wouldn't be a cure for anhedonia, but rather some tips and tricks for how to cope with it.
…
Dammit, you actually have me writing up a document, and I'm getting overwhelmed by how much there is to write and the monumental nature of the task.
You know thinking about it more, I think I could make an anhedonia guide. I mean, expectations have to be lowered. It wouldn't be a cure for anhedonia, but rather some tips and tricks for how to cope with it.
…
Dammit, you actually have me writing up a document, and I'm getting overwhelmed by how much there is to write and the monumental nature of the task.
File: 1668049115341.pdf (47.48 KB, SzPDCope.pdf)
>>197896
Dammit, there's a lot of work to go into, and I haven't even touched adding references and resources here. I don't know if I'll really go whole hog on this, but does anyone think I should keep going?
Dammit, there's a lot of work to go into, and I haven't even touched adding references and resources here. I don't know if I'll really go whole hog on this, but does anyone think I should keep going?
I have this according to the psychiatrist my parents took me when I was teen. I don't understand why do other fellow schizoids suffer because of it, for my case I find being alone simply comfy
>>197942
Regarding topics for conversations with normies… the bulk of socialization is selfreferential, as in they talk about other social events in the past. e.g. :
>yesterday I met with Brad
>Oh and what did you talked about?
>oh we talked about how the previous day I met with Alice and how the week before I went for drinks with Carol
Guess what the normie talked about with Carol and Alicd?
You cannot fake your way in as someone who doesnt frequently socialize, it's kind of a catch22 where you need to socialize to socialize
I hope this makes sense, which im not sure it does anymore
Regarding topics for conversations with normies… the bulk of socialization is selfreferential, as in they talk about other social events in the past. e.g. :
>yesterday I met with Brad
>Oh and what did you talked about?
>oh we talked about how the previous day I met with Alice and how the week before I went for drinks with Carol
Guess what the normie talked about with Carol and Alicd?
You cannot fake your way in as someone who doesnt frequently socialize, it's kind of a catch22 where you need to socialize to socialize
I hope this makes sense, which im not sure it does anymore
Actual psychiatric patient here, I got a diagnosed personality disorder and I know many patients with them.
Doctors do not diagnose personality disorders in minors, and SchizoidPD is one of the rarest personality disorders. I call bullshit on everyone saying "I got diagnosed as a teen", it's impossible to diagnose a personality disorder in a minor, a doctor needs to analyze if your disruptive behavior and symptoms have been permanent and pervasive for MANY years and that usually happens around 25 in the case of men.
Personality disorders are not personality traits, they're serious psychiatric diagnoses with permanent biological symptoms and irreparable cognitive deficiencies. An actual Schizoid would be so impaired he wouldn't even browse forums like this.
Also, Schizotypical and Schizoid are not remotely similar to Schizophrenia. I.E. You can be Schizotypical or Schizoid without suffering from psychotic symptoms, on the other hand all Schizophrenics struggle with psychotic symptoms.
Doctors do not diagnose personality disorders in minors, and SchizoidPD is one of the rarest personality disorders. I call bullshit on everyone saying "I got diagnosed as a teen", it's impossible to diagnose a personality disorder in a minor, a doctor needs to analyze if your disruptive behavior and symptoms have been permanent and pervasive for MANY years and that usually happens around 25 in the case of men.
Personality disorders are not personality traits, they're serious psychiatric diagnoses with permanent biological symptoms and irreparable cognitive deficiencies. An actual Schizoid would be so impaired he wouldn't even browse forums like this.
Also, Schizotypical and Schizoid are not remotely similar to Schizophrenia. I.E. You can be Schizotypical or Schizoid without suffering from psychotic symptoms, on the other hand all Schizophrenics struggle with psychotic symptoms.
>>198090
>An actual Schizoid would be so impaired he wouldn't even browse forums like this.
The fuck are you talking about?
>An actual Schizoid would be so impaired he wouldn't even browse forums like this.
The fuck are you talking about?
>>198090
>Personality disorders are not personality traits, they're serious psychiatric diagnoses with permanent biological symptoms and irreparable cognitive deficiencies.
Nope, this is silly. I personally knew 4 people who were diagnosed with borderline personality disorder at 17 years old. In theory your comment should all be true (except for saying a schizoid wouldnt even use a forum, that doesnt fit with literature), but the psychiatric system is a complete joke now
>Personality disorders are not personality traits, they're serious psychiatric diagnoses with permanent biological symptoms and irreparable cognitive deficiencies.
Nope, this is silly. I personally knew 4 people who were diagnosed with borderline personality disorder at 17 years old. In theory your comment should all be true (except for saying a schizoid wouldnt even use a forum, that doesnt fit with literature), but the psychiatric system is a complete joke now
>>198126
>>198126
>I personally knew 4 people who were diagnosed with borderline personality disorder at 17 years old
No you don't personally know these people because they do not exist. Doctors DO NOT diagnose personality disorders on minors. It's literally impossible to tell if a minor has a PD,and treatment is reserved for adults.
Doctors know this too, obviously. No one will risk a malpractice lawsit just like that.
BPD is by far the most common and one of the most severe and impairing personality disorders (when the patient actually has it. Stacies pretending to be borderline do not count).
>>198126
>I personally knew 4 people who were diagnosed with borderline personality disorder at 17 years old
No you don't personally know these people because they do not exist. Doctors DO NOT diagnose personality disorders on minors. It's literally impossible to tell if a minor has a PD,and treatment is reserved for adults.
Doctors know this too, obviously. No one will risk a malpractice lawsit just like that.
BPD is by far the most common and one of the most severe and impairing personality disorders (when the patient actually has it. Stacies pretending to be borderline do not count).
>>198154
maybe things are done differently in my country (australia). some of them were on antipsychotic drugs, all of them cutting themselves, threatening suicide and all locked up at some point or another
maybe things are done differently in my country (australia). some of them were on antipsychotic drugs, all of them cutting themselves, threatening suicide and all locked up at some point or another
>>198090
>Doctors do not diagnose personality disorders in minors
Lol yes they do. I know they aren’t supposed to, but they 100% do. My parents had Munchausen’s by proxy with me and I was “diagnosed” with at least one by shady warehouse office psychs.
>Doctors do not diagnose personality disorders in minors
Lol yes they do. I know they aren’t supposed to, but they 100% do. My parents had Munchausen’s by proxy with me and I was “diagnosed” with at least one by shady warehouse office psychs.
>>198126
>I personally knew 4 people who were diagnosed with borderline personality disorder at 17 years old.
This is the worst one to commit medical malpractice for since almost every 12-20 year old meets the criteria for it because of hormones and lagging frontal lobe development.
>I personally knew 4 people who were diagnosed with borderline personality disorder at 17 years old.
This is the worst one to commit medical malpractice for since almost every 12-20 year old meets the criteria for it because of hormones and lagging frontal lobe development.
>>198159
9 times out of 10 this is just a kid getting severely beaten or molested at home every day. BPD isn’t real. There’s only ASPD and PTSD, and ASPDs don’t cut themselves.
9 times out of 10 this is just a kid getting severely beaten or molested at home every day. BPD isn’t real. There’s only ASPD and PTSD, and ASPDs don’t cut themselves.
>>198191
I think all or most cluster B personality disorders have a common theme and possibly can even morph into each other. The g factor.
And child hood sexual trauma is a known contributor to personality and mood disorders, certainly self harming or acting out violently externally to reenact the trauma.
I think all or most cluster B personality disorders have a common theme and possibly can even morph into each other. The g factor.
And child hood sexual trauma is a known contributor to personality and mood disorders, certainly self harming or acting out violently externally to reenact the trauma.
>>198192
Sure for the other cluster Bs. BPD is still in all cases misdiagnosed ASPD or PTSD. It’s like how Freud invented the Oedipus/Electra complex to explain away all his patients reporting sexual abuse by a parent and pretend they were lying, and smear them by association by lumping them in with actually deranged incest fetishists. It is a totally fictitious disorder.
Sure for the other cluster Bs. BPD is still in all cases misdiagnosed ASPD or PTSD. It’s like how Freud invented the Oedipus/Electra complex to explain away all his patients reporting sexual abuse by a parent and pretend they were lying, and smear them by association by lumping them in with actually deranged incest fetishists. It is a totally fictitious disorder.
>>198195
Does that mean the BPD treatments are ineffective compared to than those? ASPD doesnt seem to have many or any treatments.
Does that mean the BPD treatments are ineffective compared to than those? ASPD doesnt seem to have many or any treatments.
>>198196
Most BPD treatments also work on PTSD. Since it is PTSD. It doesn’t work if they’re ASPD, or if they’re just untreatable for severity reasons. I know this sounds like circular reasoning, but it’s also exactly what would be happening if I’m right.
Most BPD treatments also work on PTSD. Since it is PTSD. It doesn’t work if they’re ASPD, or if they’re just untreatable for severity reasons. I know this sounds like circular reasoning, but it’s also exactly what would be happening if I’m right.
I am convinced that nowadays this is all a perfectly rational response that brainier types will have to a completely toxic and idiotic society. Not to make this into a /pol/ thread but I just don't think that these ideas can be ignored anymore. We all were born into and had to grow up in a society that wants us dead or enslaved. I am pretty sure my schizoid tendencies reflected my natural distaste for institutionalization. Why are little kids forced into school where they are berated constantly with lies? Why do kids have to grow up with mothers who don't act like mothers anymore. With fathers who are also demoralized? I remember as a kid also, I dressed the way that I thought was normal. I wasn't about to start adopting the "negro gangster" culture that was artificially induced. It is unnatural. Kind of a stream of consciousness post but I am trying to put a lot of ideas down at once. I remember I only found a small friend group that I liked when I found kids that also liked older music and films like I did. I hated everything that one had to enjoy to be normal. I wasn't going to wear a flat brimmed hat or a studded belt sorry.
It also doesn't help not being athletic or good looking lol. But I digress. This world is toxic, and it's purposeful at least in the west. We are living in a decadent and dying society. Schizoid behavior is probably the best course of action. Does any anon know just how worthless even our money is now? It's a fucking joke. The good news is that it was all destroyed before we were born.
It also doesn't help not being athletic or good looking lol. But I digress. This world is toxic, and it's purposeful at least in the west. We are living in a decadent and dying society. Schizoid behavior is probably the best course of action. Does any anon know just how worthless even our money is now? It's a fucking joke. The good news is that it was all destroyed before we were born.
>>199156
Exactly. Might depend on where you live but for anyone that's sensitive and perceptive, a large part of the west is a dystopian nightmare now. I live like a schizoid even though i'm not one at all. I really just don't see the point in going outside and i dream of living in some quiet place, the more far away from that hellhole the better.
Exactly. Might depend on where you live but for anyone that's sensitive and perceptive, a large part of the west is a dystopian nightmare now. I live like a schizoid even though i'm not one at all. I really just don't see the point in going outside and i dream of living in some quiet place, the more far away from that hellhole the better.
>schizoid personality disorder
it sounds largely interchangeable with autism, what's the difference?
it sounds largely interchangeable with autism, what's the difference?
>>199156
i think a schizoid mentality is not a disease but rather a natural inclination of the heart to withdraw in the safety of loneliness, when the individual is obliged to stay in a hostile place without any means of escaping.
i began to develop these tendencies when I was forced to go to school and to bear the bullying every day for 8 hours.
of course, not going to school was never an option. so i had to resolve to endure such humiliation.
as i entrenched myself more and more into imaginary worlds, probably as a coping mechanism, i became gradually detached from reality.
not a in a schizophrenic sense, i know that reality is in fact … real and that my dreams are nothing but fleeting fantasies. but it's comforting, like a fresh breeze that fondles your face. it's rejuvenating.
i think a schizoid mentality is not a disease but rather a natural inclination of the heart to withdraw in the safety of loneliness, when the individual is obliged to stay in a hostile place without any means of escaping.
i began to develop these tendencies when I was forced to go to school and to bear the bullying every day for 8 hours.
of course, not going to school was never an option. so i had to resolve to endure such humiliation.
as i entrenched myself more and more into imaginary worlds, probably as a coping mechanism, i became gradually detached from reality.
not a in a schizophrenic sense, i know that reality is in fact … real and that my dreams are nothing but fleeting fantasies. but it's comforting, like a fresh breeze that fondles your face. it's rejuvenating.
>>199156
It's not a rational response to be like this but it is the only response that was really possible. In the early days of the takeover, the new elite bragged about how they were going to drive men senile by 30 and use them up as soon as possible. Schizophrenic-type behavior is usually a sign of brain decay or extreme stress response, but because that isn't a politically expedient explanation, it was turned into this mindset that the Bad People had, and if they falter and start to crack, it's because they were Bad People and society should weed them out. If you dealt with these things as what they concretely are, it means that solutions are possible and that the institutions would be at fault - and particularly those who hold them, and use them. IDK if you're in the cursed Zoomer set but from everything I've heard it is unlivable, and it is everything I expected from what they were doing when I was growing up.
I don't like embracing any mental illness / political insanity, because none of this is helpful, but it must be clear that none of them want this to ever change. If you are ever actually healed in any way let alone rehabilitated, the psychologist did not do their actual job. The whole setup of psychology is so adversarial because it's intended to weed out weaklings and keep people in line with the predatory system. The idea that it was anything else was an unusual lie spawned during neoliberalism. When someone tells you that such an obviously adversarial system is there to "help" you, they hate you and have cast you out of humanity. That is how they really see you, and how they must always see you. There can be no redemption and there is no reason we should waste energy expecting it. If they allow us any redemption, their entire way of life and all of these institutions can no longer function. If the meek ever inherit the world, they will no longer be meek when they take it after choking the life out of those who did this to them, and the terror would be something nearly impossible to imagine to ensure that this doesn't happen again. It must be clear that if these people who rule ever sense they will lose, they must resort to unlimited terror. That's why they built the nukes and this narrative that they can destroy the world 100 times over. They're not for any war with each other. They're a threat to the civilians who were forced at gunpoint into cities to find work and become de facto slaves of one sort or another. The ruling faction made their position clear a long time ago. We have lived through the aftermath of that, due to lack of any competing idea or ability to put it into action, and the utter defeat of those who would see the need for this nightmare to end. It isn't even that society is decaying. This is the design, and it was inherent in the ideas that made modernity possible. Past ideas like religion were a precursor to modernity in one way or another, rather than an oppositional force as crude ideological narratives claim. It was clear to philosophers in the late 19th century that their grand task was to ensure that nothing new whatsoever was possible, and therefore "The End of History" would be declared by many of them. That's where we have this modern theory of ideology, which did not take hold overnight but insinuated itself during the 20th century and ate away at any resistance the people had to it.
It's not a rational response to be like this but it is the only response that was really possible. In the early days of the takeover, the new elite bragged about how they were going to drive men senile by 30 and use them up as soon as possible. Schizophrenic-type behavior is usually a sign of brain decay or extreme stress response, but because that isn't a politically expedient explanation, it was turned into this mindset that the Bad People had, and if they falter and start to crack, it's because they were Bad People and society should weed them out. If you dealt with these things as what they concretely are, it means that solutions are possible and that the institutions would be at fault - and particularly those who hold them, and use them. IDK if you're in the cursed Zoomer set but from everything I've heard it is unlivable, and it is everything I expected from what they were doing when I was growing up.
I don't like embracing any mental illness / political insanity, because none of this is helpful, but it must be clear that none of them want this to ever change. If you are ever actually healed in any way let alone rehabilitated, the psychologist did not do their actual job. The whole setup of psychology is so adversarial because it's intended to weed out weaklings and keep people in line with the predatory system. The idea that it was anything else was an unusual lie spawned during neoliberalism. When someone tells you that such an obviously adversarial system is there to "help" you, they hate you and have cast you out of humanity. That is how they really see you, and how they must always see you. There can be no redemption and there is no reason we should waste energy expecting it. If they allow us any redemption, their entire way of life and all of these institutions can no longer function. If the meek ever inherit the world, they will no longer be meek when they take it after choking the life out of those who did this to them, and the terror would be something nearly impossible to imagine to ensure that this doesn't happen again. It must be clear that if these people who rule ever sense they will lose, they must resort to unlimited terror. That's why they built the nukes and this narrative that they can destroy the world 100 times over. They're not for any war with each other. They're a threat to the civilians who were forced at gunpoint into cities to find work and become de facto slaves of one sort or another. The ruling faction made their position clear a long time ago. We have lived through the aftermath of that, due to lack of any competing idea or ability to put it into action, and the utter defeat of those who would see the need for this nightmare to end. It isn't even that society is decaying. This is the design, and it was inherent in the ideas that made modernity possible. Past ideas like religion were a precursor to modernity in one way or another, rather than an oppositional force as crude ideological narratives claim. It was clear to philosophers in the late 19th century that their grand task was to ensure that nothing new whatsoever was possible, and therefore "The End of History" would be declared by many of them. That's where we have this modern theory of ideology, which did not take hold overnight but insinuated itself during the 20th century and ate away at any resistance the people had to it.
>>199561
Autists don't know how to socially interact, but want to. Schizoids do know how to socially interact, but don't want to.
Autists don't know how to socially interact, but want to. Schizoids do know how to socially interact, but don't want to.
>>199561
I'm diagnosed with autism and I was a full blown schizoid until I met my father in my tween years and got close to him. I literally ran around the playground each day at school by myself and imagined myself in fantasy worlds, I didn't have any friends, I just alternated between school and video games. My fantasies were maladaptive day-dream tier. I'd imagine being whisked away into a magical world where I was a hero and had to slay the evil monsters. Then I stopped that shit, suppressed it and tried to be a normalfag for a good 15 years.
I regressed into that state again during the covid lockdowns. I honestly think I am genuinely happier in that schizoid state because there's less ups and downs, but it's like being a hollow person and you do feel there's something missing deep down.
I'm diagnosed with autism and I was a full blown schizoid until I met my father in my tween years and got close to him. I literally ran around the playground each day at school by myself and imagined myself in fantasy worlds, I didn't have any friends, I just alternated between school and video games. My fantasies were maladaptive day-dream tier. I'd imagine being whisked away into a magical world where I was a hero and had to slay the evil monsters. Then I stopped that shit, suppressed it and tried to be a normalfag for a good 15 years.
I regressed into that state again during the covid lockdowns. I honestly think I am genuinely happier in that schizoid state because there's less ups and downs, but it's like being a hollow person and you do feel there's something missing deep down.
>>200217
same life without the autism diagnosis.
i too regressed back to dream land, and like you describe it
>it's like being a hollow person and you do feel there's something missing deep down.
dreams don't cut it, maybe i need the real deal aka social interactions. but this is far away from my reach, my peers at best dislike me at worst disdain me.
same life without the autism diagnosis.
i too regressed back to dream land, and like you describe it
>it's like being a hollow person and you do feel there's something missing deep down.
dreams don't cut it, maybe i need the real deal aka social interactions. but this is far away from my reach, my peers at best dislike me at worst disdain me.
>>199567
>of humanity.
Normality, not humanity.
Normalfags are not humans, they are wild animals, and they have actual no clue how and what one thinks or feels.
>of humanity.
Normality, not humanity.
Normalfags are not humans, they are wild animals, and they have actual no clue how and what one thinks or feels.
>>200217
I'm not sure how to measure extensiveness of a persons daydreaming, but I am at least very attached to my imagination. I know it's funny for me to say, but I genuinely believe my imagination is way better than most entertainment available.
How would you even suppress it?
I'm not sure how to measure extensiveness of a persons daydreaming, but I am at least very attached to my imagination. I know it's funny for me to say, but I genuinely believe my imagination is way better than most entertainment available.
How would you even suppress it?
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>>200217
I was debating whether I truly had some kind of quirk until you mentioned the daydreaming shit. Used to spend hours in my garden jumping about in my own fantasy world and also by myself in the playground. Only later did I make friends and I forgot that I used to do this until now that I have no friends again. I've been and am being forced by family etc. to do things such as get a driving licence. Yet I cannot cope and often neglect things to the point where they often actively ruin my life. I have no interest in this. A constant wait for something thats not there, that'll never come. I spend my days, when not addicted to quick form dopamine via imageboards and shows/movies, reading books and manga. I feel like I would like to die and pass to a better place.
I was debating whether I truly had some kind of quirk until you mentioned the daydreaming shit. Used to spend hours in my garden jumping about in my own fantasy world and also by myself in the playground. Only later did I make friends and I forgot that I used to do this until now that I have no friends again. I've been and am being forced by family etc. to do things such as get a driving licence. Yet I cannot cope and often neglect things to the point where they often actively ruin my life. I have no interest in this. A constant wait for something thats not there, that'll never come. I spend my days, when not addicted to quick form dopamine via imageboards and shows/movies, reading books and manga. I feel like I would like to die and pass to a better place.
>>200220
Me aswell. When I was in 6th grade I started day-dreaming about being in my 6th grade social studies room, then in 7th grade it was a new room, same in 8th all the way till I dropped out after 11th. And besides just that I've spent a lot of time in other daydream fantasies, and daydreaming is a constant in my existance.
Me aswell. When I was in 6th grade I started day-dreaming about being in my 6th grade social studies room, then in 7th grade it was a new room, same in 8th all the way till I dropped out after 11th. And besides just that I've spent a lot of time in other daydream fantasies, and daydreaming is a constant in my existance.
>>198053
yeah, it's no secret.
to socialize, you need to be already socialized. a self potentiating loop.
if you never socialized, it's next to impossible to socialize.
yeah, it's no secret.
to socialize, you need to be already socialized. a self potentiating loop.
if you never socialized, it's next to impossible to socialize.
>>197942
excuse me, but the solutions you propose to anhedonia can be summarized in : "become a consoomer"
i expected nothing and was still disappointed.
>commonly known activities :
>Reading comics/fiction
>Playing videogames
>Watching film of a fictional nature
excuse me, but the solutions you propose to anhedonia can be summarized in : "become a consoomer"
i expected nothing and was still disappointed.
>commonly known activities :
>Reading comics/fiction
>Playing videogames
>Watching film of a fictional nature
>>200281
oh no not a consoomer what will my 4chan discord friends think of me if i watch a moovie instead of lifting weights sadfrog.png
oh no not a consoomer what will my 4chan discord friends think of me if i watch a moovie instead of lifting weights sadfrog.png
>>200305
yeah, i still play them too but i do not get the same level of joy i did before.
i was hoping the guy with the pdf would provide ways on how to make these activities fun again.
yeah, i still play them too but i do not get the same level of joy i did before.
i was hoping the guy with the pdf would provide ways on how to make these activities fun again.
>>200307
Didn't it outright say in the pdf that it will not give you joy? Yeah, I think the first two sentences of the anhedonia section.
Didn't it outright say in the pdf that it will not give you joy? Yeah, I think the first two sentences of the anhedonia section.
>>200312
maybe i expected more in that pdf than what the author intend it to have when writing it.
maybe i expected more in that pdf than what the author intend it to have when writing it.
If you overstimulate yourself with intense video games and porn, you'll feel "bored" which really just means that your body isn't rewarding you for doing the things that you do often.
It's better to do "mundane"(something being not as stimulating is not bad, in fact it is great, it helps with maintaining pleasure and making sure you dont over/understimulate yourself) things to avoid taking things too far and overstimulating yourself to the point of apathy.
At that point, you can figure out how you want to do things
1 do exciting things rarely so that you get joy out of it and go back to normal
2 do things that are "mundane" and let things suprise you, things like talking to people, diving deep into subjects, things that are unpredictable.
Once you get to a point where you can sit down and just read a book or play simple games you'll understand how much better it feels
Either that or watch BDSM furry loli pmv compilation porn and masturbate for hours and then feel empty and suicidal for weeks
It's better to do "mundane"(something being not as stimulating is not bad, in fact it is great, it helps with maintaining pleasure and making sure you dont over/understimulate yourself) things to avoid taking things too far and overstimulating yourself to the point of apathy.
At that point, you can figure out how you want to do things
1 do exciting things rarely so that you get joy out of it and go back to normal
2 do things that are "mundane" and let things suprise you, things like talking to people, diving deep into subjects, things that are unpredictable.
Once you get to a point where you can sit down and just read a book or play simple games you'll understand how much better it feels
Either that or watch BDSM furry loli pmv compilation porn and masturbate for hours and then feel empty and suicidal for weeks
>>200296
>Eventually, you'll run out on things to consume
Not in this lifetime, bro. If you have internet connection you can get anything you want pretty much. What you say is only true if you have a very narrow mind that is only interested in a specific genre of entertainment. If you are a gentleman with a wide variety of interests (like a wiz should be) then you won't burn out ever.
I'm nearing my 30s and the lists just keep piling, there is so many things I'm interested in I have 10 new movies for every movie I watch and same for other forms of entertainment. I don't think I will be able to finish everything I want in my lifetime.
>>200317
I don't disagree with everything but one of the biggest problems of people here if you ask me is that they aren't stimulated enough, not that they are overstimulated.
"Intense" porn and entertainment are great ways to give yourself adrenaline rushes. I mean what's the alternative? Sit in a dark room and sleep all day or be bored? Nah. Better to over-engage in stuff than to live some anemic, dull, ghost-like, no fun ""life"".
>Eventually, you'll run out on things to consume
Not in this lifetime, bro. If you have internet connection you can get anything you want pretty much. What you say is only true if you have a very narrow mind that is only interested in a specific genre of entertainment. If you are a gentleman with a wide variety of interests (like a wiz should be) then you won't burn out ever.
I'm nearing my 30s and the lists just keep piling, there is so many things I'm interested in I have 10 new movies for every movie I watch and same for other forms of entertainment. I don't think I will be able to finish everything I want in my lifetime.
>>200317
I don't disagree with everything but one of the biggest problems of people here if you ask me is that they aren't stimulated enough, not that they are overstimulated.
"Intense" porn and entertainment are great ways to give yourself adrenaline rushes. I mean what's the alternative? Sit in a dark room and sleep all day or be bored? Nah. Better to over-engage in stuff than to live some anemic, dull, ghost-like, no fun ""life"".
>>200317
It takes a long time to get back to baseline, like 3 months to a year. I have too many mental health downtimes to sustain myself with getting away from the internet. And winters are gigashit without the internet, regardless if you've detoxified from the cooming and endless browsing. You can have fun and do stuff outside, go to the beach and have a swim, do gardening in summer. But the idea of having sixteen hours free and just having books and toys to keep yourself entertain is sorta morbid.
It takes a long time to get back to baseline, like 3 months to a year. I have too many mental health downtimes to sustain myself with getting away from the internet. And winters are gigashit without the internet, regardless if you've detoxified from the cooming and endless browsing. You can have fun and do stuff outside, go to the beach and have a swim, do gardening in summer. But the idea of having sixteen hours free and just having books and toys to keep yourself entertain is sorta morbid.
>>200323
I think it's the social aspects of the internet that are cancer–at least for me. I feel way better when I stop browsing chans and watching Youtube videos, and instead just play games or read weird Neocities websites.
I think it's the social aspects of the internet that are cancer–at least for me. I feel way better when I stop browsing chans and watching Youtube videos, and instead just play games or read weird Neocities websites.
>>200330
People who are looking for the general public sphere are there because they haven’t got the focus or interest in hobby communities or games. I’m one of those people so no hate, but general chat spaces where people are just like hanging out with nothing to focus on will go hyper social conflict for entertainment and shit. Imageboards are an example.
People who are looking for the general public sphere are there because they haven’t got the focus or interest in hobby communities or games. I’m one of those people so no hate, but general chat spaces where people are just like hanging out with nothing to focus on will go hyper social conflict for entertainment and shit. Imageboards are an example.
>>200321
>"Intense" porn and entertainment are great ways to give yourself adrenaline rushes
adrenaline rushes that will leave you feeling like shit for weeks and will eventually wear off
>I mean what's the alternative?
youtube, reading books, playing old games, watching classic movies, talking to people online
>Nah. Better to over-engage in stuff than to live some anemic, dull, ghost-like, no fun ""life"".
over-engaging in stuff is what leads to that in my experience
>"Intense" porn and entertainment are great ways to give yourself adrenaline rushes
adrenaline rushes that will leave you feeling like shit for weeks and will eventually wear off
>I mean what's the alternative?
youtube, reading books, playing old games, watching classic movies, talking to people online
>Nah. Better to over-engage in stuff than to live some anemic, dull, ghost-like, no fun ""life"".
over-engaging in stuff is what leads to that in my experience
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>>185955
Though I've been isolated for years, I don't think I'm truly schizoid.
Though I've been isolated for years, I don't think I'm truly schizoid.
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It's highly unlikely all people ITT are schizoids.
Personality disorders are not horoscope shit, they're debilitating chronic psychiatric disorders with specific diagnosis criteria. And SchizoidPD is extremely rare, and I highly doubt that the few schizoids in the world are all gathered in wizchan. It's more likely that people here have Depression, GAD, Avoidant Personality Disorder, ADHD or autism.
Personality disorders diagnosed on their own are rare, comorbidities are way more common, if you already got a formal diagnosis of something else and you suspect you have schizoidPD then it's actually more likely and plausible you have it. If I was any of you, I'd be more concerned on gaining functionality, if you're an actual schizoid you have a low quality of life and poor functionality more than likely.
Personality disorders are not horoscope shit, they're debilitating chronic psychiatric disorders with specific diagnosis criteria. And SchizoidPD is extremely rare, and I highly doubt that the few schizoids in the world are all gathered in wizchan. It's more likely that people here have Depression, GAD, Avoidant Personality Disorder, ADHD or autism.
Personality disorders diagnosed on their own are rare, comorbidities are way more common, if you already got a formal diagnosis of something else and you suspect you have schizoidPD then it's actually more likely and plausible you have it. If I was any of you, I'd be more concerned on gaining functionality, if you're an actual schizoid you have a low quality of life and poor functionality more than likely.
>>200375
real schizoids have no need to seek out help and so more should be undiagnoses than diagnosed
real schizoids have no need to seek out help and so more should be undiagnoses than diagnosed
>>200380
Indeed.
Honestly, it's ambiguous that SPD should even constitute a disorder, when it's diagnosis criteria doesn't necessitate perse any personal distress. It correlates with "lesser" life outcomes, but then, the idea that those life outcomes are good are judged on a non-schizoid metric, and moreover, it's less so the ""disorders"" fault moreso than it is the fault of social and societal bias against schizoids.
Indeed.
Honestly, it's ambiguous that SPD should even constitute a disorder, when it's diagnosis criteria doesn't necessitate perse any personal distress. It correlates with "lesser" life outcomes, but then, the idea that those life outcomes are good are judged on a non-schizoid metric, and moreover, it's less so the ""disorders"" fault moreso than it is the fault of social and societal bias against schizoids.
>>200381
society is inherently biased against asocial people. Hence it's a disorder, as it makes living in a society more difficult.
society is inherently biased against asocial people. Hence it's a disorder, as it makes living in a society more difficult.
>>200382
I don't know how I feel about pathologizing everything that society is biased against. It comes with this inherent idea of "wrongness" or that because something is a "disorder", it as an error that ought to be corrected. Because it is hard to live in society as a schizoid, and because schizoids are labelled with a disorder, there's this implicit notion that their way of existence is wrong, and that societies is right.
I don't know how I feel about pathologizing everything that society is biased against. It comes with this inherent idea of "wrongness" or that because something is a "disorder", it as an error that ought to be corrected. Because it is hard to live in society as a schizoid, and because schizoids are labelled with a disorder, there's this implicit notion that their way of existence is wrong, and that societies is right.
>>200383
Society will always declare itself the highest moral good. It's simple self preservation. And schizoid or not, we are all essentially dependent and intertwined with it. I agree that the term disorder is charged and makes schizoid tendencies viewed as a negative to be corrected. My opinion though is that being asocial in a society really does make life harder, and so seeking to achieve at least the minimum amount of sociability to get by is a good thing.
Society will always declare itself the highest moral good. It's simple self preservation. And schizoid or not, we are all essentially dependent and intertwined with it. I agree that the term disorder is charged and makes schizoid tendencies viewed as a negative to be corrected. My opinion though is that being asocial in a society really does make life harder, and so seeking to achieve at least the minimum amount of sociability to get by is a good thing.
>>200281
Dude bro dude! Just like eat chicken/potatoes/rice/beans, own nothing but your clothes and a pc and live in ze pod and namaste!
Dude bro dude! Just like eat chicken/potatoes/rice/beans, own nothing but your clothes and a pc and live in ze pod and namaste!
>>200363
>adrenaline rushes that will leave you feeling like shit for weeks
? We aren't talking about doing drugs or drinking yourself to nausea. How can you feel bad for weeks after porn and entertainment?
>and will eventually wear off
Yeah, no shit. You have to eat every day too and yet you do it. Maybe stop eating because you will get hungry anyway and stop bathing or showering because you will get dirty again anyway…
>youtube, reading books, playing old games, watching classic movies,
All of them can be considered entertainment and all of them can be intense.
>>200375
>Personality disorders are not horoscope shit
That's exactly what they are and anyone with enough insight can see that psychology is just bullshit as it is. What is considered weird or crazy differs from society to society. This is relative. Just like morals are relative.
>adrenaline rushes that will leave you feeling like shit for weeks
? We aren't talking about doing drugs or drinking yourself to nausea. How can you feel bad for weeks after porn and entertainment?
>and will eventually wear off
Yeah, no shit. You have to eat every day too and yet you do it. Maybe stop eating because you will get hungry anyway and stop bathing or showering because you will get dirty again anyway…
>youtube, reading books, playing old games, watching classic movies,
All of them can be considered entertainment and all of them can be intense.
>>200375
>Personality disorders are not horoscope shit
That's exactly what they are and anyone with enough insight can see that psychology is just bullshit as it is. What is considered weird or crazy differs from society to society. This is relative. Just like morals are relative.
>>200404
>How can you feel bad for weeks after porn and entertainment?
That's what happens to me and then I don't feel like watching porn for like a month. It can get pretty intense,
triple monitor, pmv on one, hot video on one, browsing for more videos on another with 20 tabs open each with a
different video, music blasting, 8 hour long all nighter, maybe a few ejaculations.
I mean we are talking about adrenaline rush right?
if it becomes a mental thing it can definitely be draining
It makes sense, a guy cums into a succubus. he's gonna lose his sex drive and his body won't try to get him
to do that until some time passes. this dynamic applies to everything.
>You have to eat every day too
this is a bad analogy. you're comparing an essential function to a new thing that fries people's brains and
makes them depressed and suicidal,
my point is that if you do intense shit everyday it won't feel like anything so there is no point.
you'll feel like shit because nothing can compare, so you shouldn't do it. sure it isn't coke but it damn
sure can cause addiction and loss of pleasure
it's better to just do more mundane things(not to point of it being painful) so it can better match
other thing you do throughout the day
>All of them can be considered entertainment and all of them can be intense.
of course they are entertainment, wasnt saying they werent
yes they can be intense but they are less likely to be, and if someones is, simply avoid it
you are much less likely to get overstimulated with porn than a book
>How can you feel bad for weeks after porn and entertainment?
That's what happens to me and then I don't feel like watching porn for like a month. It can get pretty intense,
triple monitor, pmv on one, hot video on one, browsing for more videos on another with 20 tabs open each with a
different video, music blasting, 8 hour long all nighter, maybe a few ejaculations.
I mean we are talking about adrenaline rush right?
if it becomes a mental thing it can definitely be draining
It makes sense, a guy cums into a succubus. he's gonna lose his sex drive and his body won't try to get him
to do that until some time passes. this dynamic applies to everything.
>You have to eat every day too
this is a bad analogy. you're comparing an essential function to a new thing that fries people's brains and
makes them depressed and suicidal,
my point is that if you do intense shit everyday it won't feel like anything so there is no point.
you'll feel like shit because nothing can compare, so you shouldn't do it. sure it isn't coke but it damn
sure can cause addiction and loss of pleasure
it's better to just do more mundane things(not to point of it being painful) so it can better match
other thing you do throughout the day
>All of them can be considered entertainment and all of them can be intense.
of course they are entertainment, wasnt saying they werent
yes they can be intense but they are less likely to be, and if someones is, simply avoid it
you are much less likely to get overstimulated with porn than a book
>>200385
It isn't "society", but the state and interests that claimed the whole of society, humanity, and the world for themselves. People are allowed to criticize society as a material phenomenon, to say that society is going bad or that the institutions don't work. You are not allowed to criticize "society", which is to say, the institutions that perpetuate rule and the interests of those who actually control us. Any time a critique of society hits upon a core conviction of the institutions that are killing us, it must be viciously attacked, and this habituates people to believing that there is no life outside of "society". You can imagine a human outside of material, real society very easily, and humans in material reality are disconnected from the vast majority of what happens in society. This is not simply a declaration of some mystical truth, but it is a condition of material reality the subject in society can sense easily. We are told over and over again that we are alien to each other and have nothing in common, and in a lot of ways it was true even before society was controlled. Humans are nasty to each other. The objective of those who rule is to exacerbate this and bring it to its maximal level of antagonism, and by doing so, it prepares the mass of people for disposal. Intensifying the general fear and alienation of people allows for social acceptance and proof to be distributed by the rulers to the subjects to affect behavioral change in minute ways, so that different qualities can be produced from the people. By making us as miserable as possible, it is possible to sort through a given mass of people distinct grades of social status, civic worth, and this is the only way such a sorting can be implemented so long as the liberal view of society is accepted. Liberals can argue that such a sorting is morally wrong or counterproductive, and in the end political decisions are not driven by ideology or a set of imperatives fixed in stone, but by the interests of the stakeholders in society. The immiseration of people is not an accident but has been very deliberate and carried out with considerable knowledge of social mechanisms. The rulers are allowed to criticize the workings of society, in order to better understand how they can oppress us, but it is not actually admissible to consider that the oppressed can fight back. Any such resistance must be intellectually neutralized before it can manifest into something real, and any real resistance must be broken apart aggressively once it is detected.
For various reasons that are too complex to get into here, this is a state of affairs inherent to beliefs held in human society for a very long time, and the counter-argument of a cooperative society where everyone gets along never received a fair hearing. At best, cooperative societies have been considered for a limited group, and they inevitably come to the conclusion that oligarchy is the only possible form of human government. This is not so much fixed in nature, but in the assumptions that were accepted when humans formed states and societies in the first place, and questioning those assumptions can only happen out of necessity. The people of the world, for obvious reasons, have detested being ruled by people who clearly want everyone outside of the inner group to suffer as much as possible, but relief from suffering is only vaguely hinted at by religion or philosophy. That the suffering is entirely the result of those who chose to rule is well known, but you're not allowed to simply declare that it can be stopped. The pressing to make others suffered is presumed to have a moral authority that is beyond questioning, no matter what the consequences of a culture of shame may be. Some cultures may mitigate this, while others glorify shaming and make it into an elaborate ritual, but it will always be the most important disciplinary function in society, unless humans were to change constitutionally in ways that would be difficult to implement, and that no stakeholder has an interest in allowing.
It isn't "society", but the state and interests that claimed the whole of society, humanity, and the world for themselves. People are allowed to criticize society as a material phenomenon, to say that society is going bad or that the institutions don't work. You are not allowed to criticize "society", which is to say, the institutions that perpetuate rule and the interests of those who actually control us. Any time a critique of society hits upon a core conviction of the institutions that are killing us, it must be viciously attacked, and this habituates people to believing that there is no life outside of "society". You can imagine a human outside of material, real society very easily, and humans in material reality are disconnected from the vast majority of what happens in society. This is not simply a declaration of some mystical truth, but it is a condition of material reality the subject in society can sense easily. We are told over and over again that we are alien to each other and have nothing in common, and in a lot of ways it was true even before society was controlled. Humans are nasty to each other. The objective of those who rule is to exacerbate this and bring it to its maximal level of antagonism, and by doing so, it prepares the mass of people for disposal. Intensifying the general fear and alienation of people allows for social acceptance and proof to be distributed by the rulers to the subjects to affect behavioral change in minute ways, so that different qualities can be produced from the people. By making us as miserable as possible, it is possible to sort through a given mass of people distinct grades of social status, civic worth, and this is the only way such a sorting can be implemented so long as the liberal view of society is accepted. Liberals can argue that such a sorting is morally wrong or counterproductive, and in the end political decisions are not driven by ideology or a set of imperatives fixed in stone, but by the interests of the stakeholders in society. The immiseration of people is not an accident but has been very deliberate and carried out with considerable knowledge of social mechanisms. The rulers are allowed to criticize the workings of society, in order to better understand how they can oppress us, but it is not actually admissible to consider that the oppressed can fight back. Any such resistance must be intellectually neutralized before it can manifest into something real, and any real resistance must be broken apart aggressively once it is detected.
For various reasons that are too complex to get into here, this is a state of affairs inherent to beliefs held in human society for a very long time, and the counter-argument of a cooperative society where everyone gets along never received a fair hearing. At best, cooperative societies have been considered for a limited group, and they inevitably come to the conclusion that oligarchy is the only possible form of human government. This is not so much fixed in nature, but in the assumptions that were accepted when humans formed states and societies in the first place, and questioning those assumptions can only happen out of necessity. The people of the world, for obvious reasons, have detested being ruled by people who clearly want everyone outside of the inner group to suffer as much as possible, but relief from suffering is only vaguely hinted at by religion or philosophy. That the suffering is entirely the result of those who chose to rule is well known, but you're not allowed to simply declare that it can be stopped. The pressing to make others suffered is presumed to have a moral authority that is beyond questioning, no matter what the consequences of a culture of shame may be. Some cultures may mitigate this, while others glorify shaming and make it into an elaborate ritual, but it will always be the most important disciplinary function in society, unless humans were to change constitutionally in ways that would be difficult to implement, and that no stakeholder has an interest in allowing.
>>200418
>triple monitor, pmv on one, hot video on one, browsing for more videos on another with 20 tabs open each with a
different video, music blasting, 8 hour long all nighter, maybe a few ejaculations.
gross dude. keep that junk to yourself
>triple monitor, pmv on one, hot video on one, browsing for more videos on another with 20 tabs open each with a
different video, music blasting, 8 hour long all nighter, maybe a few ejaculations.
gross dude. keep that junk to yourself
>>200470
When you discover that taxation is not only theft from your money but from your time, freedom, energy and potential as a human.
When you discover that taxation is not only theft from your money but from your time, freedom, energy and potential as a human.
>>200474
I'm not talking about some anarchofaggot idea that a single cent of tax is spiritually evil. I'm saying the whole society from top to bottom is claimed by private interests who want you dead. The anarcho-capitalist faggotry is a way to intellectually stunt people and obfuscate what neoliberalism actually was, which is just more of the same fascism we've suffered for the past century. You can have a society without tax as such that utterly controls you. The rich do not like being taxed, and have never genuinely paid a cent of tax in their entire existence. The state has existed to serve the rich, and if the rich pay any money into the state, it is on a voluntary basis, entirely towards their ends. That's why you have the foundations and trusts that were set up in the 20th century. By "donating" to the "charitable foundation", the rich write off all of their tax obligations. Not only does this mean they pay nothing for their state except what they themselves want to pay for, but they get around all of the anti-trust regulations that were sort of in effect. The anti-trust laws were repurposed to ensure that the rich were the only ones permitted to do this with impunity, and the rich form an oligarchy that does whatever it wants and does not have to regard any law whatsoever. You can protest taxes all you like, because the rich own this country and anything worthwhile in it. If they need to, they'll just extract in rent from everyone else as "tax" and circumvent the state altogether. They like using the state to do this because the state has a role in regulating mass populations, but the rich have what amounts to a state and society in parallel to the one we think is the "real world". The rich and connected do not suffer the way we do. They do not. They live in an entirely different world, and can select at will who is allowed in and who is not. With the flip of a switch, they can write off your debts and say you're valid again, and the money itself does not matter (and not for goldbuggery reasons the rubes believe). The whole rigamarole where you are made to enter debt slavery is entirely a choice of the rich, to make the rest of us scramble in the struggle for life. None of the money is real, and the productive economy and products are allocated by what amounts to a socialist plan. It just so happens that the plan is to get rid of most of us, and make us suffer for the scraps we are allowed, which are always in limited supply. The limited supply is deliberate precisely because it creates the pretext to deny to the people the useful things they wanted in the first place. They will allow you to buy prolefeed and turn into a bloated lardass, and they will force you to pay for your psychiatric "treatment" that places you in the group selected to die. I don't know how you can argue that this is about the money or "freedom" in this anarchofaggot sense when you're up against all the institutions and things you see every single day. 1984 wasn't a warning and if you thought it was, you failed the intelligence test. It was an announcement of what was just created and that you had better get with the program or else. Sucks for us, because we were always intended to lose.
I'm not talking about some anarchofaggot idea that a single cent of tax is spiritually evil. I'm saying the whole society from top to bottom is claimed by private interests who want you dead. The anarcho-capitalist faggotry is a way to intellectually stunt people and obfuscate what neoliberalism actually was, which is just more of the same fascism we've suffered for the past century. You can have a society without tax as such that utterly controls you. The rich do not like being taxed, and have never genuinely paid a cent of tax in their entire existence. The state has existed to serve the rich, and if the rich pay any money into the state, it is on a voluntary basis, entirely towards their ends. That's why you have the foundations and trusts that were set up in the 20th century. By "donating" to the "charitable foundation", the rich write off all of their tax obligations. Not only does this mean they pay nothing for their state except what they themselves want to pay for, but they get around all of the anti-trust regulations that were sort of in effect. The anti-trust laws were repurposed to ensure that the rich were the only ones permitted to do this with impunity, and the rich form an oligarchy that does whatever it wants and does not have to regard any law whatsoever. You can protest taxes all you like, because the rich own this country and anything worthwhile in it. If they need to, they'll just extract in rent from everyone else as "tax" and circumvent the state altogether. They like using the state to do this because the state has a role in regulating mass populations, but the rich have what amounts to a state and society in parallel to the one we think is the "real world". The rich and connected do not suffer the way we do. They do not. They live in an entirely different world, and can select at will who is allowed in and who is not. With the flip of a switch, they can write off your debts and say you're valid again, and the money itself does not matter (and not for goldbuggery reasons the rubes believe). The whole rigamarole where you are made to enter debt slavery is entirely a choice of the rich, to make the rest of us scramble in the struggle for life. None of the money is real, and the productive economy and products are allocated by what amounts to a socialist plan. It just so happens that the plan is to get rid of most of us, and make us suffer for the scraps we are allowed, which are always in limited supply. The limited supply is deliberate precisely because it creates the pretext to deny to the people the useful things they wanted in the first place. They will allow you to buy prolefeed and turn into a bloated lardass, and they will force you to pay for your psychiatric "treatment" that places you in the group selected to die. I don't know how you can argue that this is about the money or "freedom" in this anarchofaggot sense when you're up against all the institutions and things you see every single day. 1984 wasn't a warning and if you thought it was, you failed the intelligence test. It was an announcement of what was just created and that you had better get with the program or else. Sucks for us, because we were always intended to lose.
and my doctor thinks I don't have this because he's a huge retard and a big pharmaco. shill
I fucking hate doctors they're the hugest degenerates on planet earth
imagine thinking you're jack shit for taking a long ass education that is all about slinging snake oil
LMAO
I fucking hate doctors they're the hugest degenerates on planet earth
imagine thinking you're jack shit for taking a long ass education that is all about slinging snake oil
LMAO
>>200418
Sounds like you don't know any self control or restraint at all. You can binge on anything that gives you pleasure. You can get binge eat, binge drink alcohol/coffee, binge smoke, etc etc etc. You can also get addicted to everything that feels remotely good. Is that any reason to avoid things that feel good or give us pleasure? I don't think so.
There is nothing special about masturbating to pornography to make us treat it with extra suspicion or awareness.
> you're comparing an essential function to a new thing that fries people's brains and
makes them depressed and suicidal,
Sexuality is an essential function too, just like eating. You can masturbate or have sex but you will live out your sexuality in some way most likely unless you are low-T or have hormone problems. Masturbation isn't a new thing and being a peeping tom isn't either, because porn is ultimately that. You are pleasing yourself by watching other people have sex. It's not a new thing at all.
If you feel bad after masturbation and watching porn then it has to do with your principles and values that make you feel like you are committing some sin or mistake by giving yourself pleasure.
Sounds like you don't know any self control or restraint at all. You can binge on anything that gives you pleasure. You can get binge eat, binge drink alcohol/coffee, binge smoke, etc etc etc. You can also get addicted to everything that feels remotely good. Is that any reason to avoid things that feel good or give us pleasure? I don't think so.
There is nothing special about masturbating to pornography to make us treat it with extra suspicion or awareness.
> you're comparing an essential function to a new thing that fries people's brains and
makes them depressed and suicidal,
Sexuality is an essential function too, just like eating. You can masturbate or have sex but you will live out your sexuality in some way most likely unless you are low-T or have hormone problems. Masturbation isn't a new thing and being a peeping tom isn't either, because porn is ultimately that. You are pleasing yourself by watching other people have sex. It's not a new thing at all.
If you feel bad after masturbation and watching porn then it has to do with your principles and values that make you feel like you are committing some sin or mistake by giving yourself pleasure.
>>200555
>You can masturbate or have sex but you will live out your sexuality in some way most likely unless you are low-T or have hormone problems.
Yeah no I do not believe this. Sex is not a physiological need on the same level as sleeping, eating etc.
>You can masturbate or have sex but you will live out your sexuality in some way most likely unless you are low-T or have hormone problems.
Yeah no I do not believe this. Sex is not a physiological need on the same level as sleeping, eating etc.
>>200555
>no self control
maybe Im a K strategist. that's not the whole story though. I have times where I binge watch porn or things like that and I tend to feel like shit around those times. other times I dont do things like that and I do things like read books or play early 00s games and learn about something like philosophy and I feel much better.
>reson to avoid things good
in theory, yes, but men are likely to become addicted to things like porn
>nothing special about masturbating to porn
seeing thousands of succubi do bizarre things you'll never see in person in a million years is not something to be suspicious of?
>sexuality is an essential function this >>200563
>peeping tom
this cannot remotely compare to modern porn and this involved people who were deviants. it seems like you are just trying to justify watching porn
>if you feel bad after
it doesn't have anyting to do with that, no matter what my views were I noticed feeling down after doing it. maybe it's because I go too far and maybe you haven't gone that far. It makes sense considering how pleasure works
consider how people gradually change their taste in porn to more extreme content
>no self control
maybe Im a K strategist. that's not the whole story though. I have times where I binge watch porn or things like that and I tend to feel like shit around those times. other times I dont do things like that and I do things like read books or play early 00s games and learn about something like philosophy and I feel much better.
>reson to avoid things good
in theory, yes, but men are likely to become addicted to things like porn
>nothing special about masturbating to porn
seeing thousands of succubi do bizarre things you'll never see in person in a million years is not something to be suspicious of?
>sexuality is an essential function this >>200563
>peeping tom
this cannot remotely compare to modern porn and this involved people who were deviants. it seems like you are just trying to justify watching porn
>if you feel bad after
it doesn't have anyting to do with that, no matter what my views were I noticed feeling down after doing it. maybe it's because I go too far and maybe you haven't gone that far. It makes sense considering how pleasure works
consider how people gradually change their taste in porn to more extreme content
>>200321
>unlimited entertainment
eventually you start to realize they are all fundamentally the same. you learn the patterns, the tropes, the characters, the plot. all the same but slightly different
most things are bad, most things are only appealling to unintelliigent people who are not looking deep into what they consume. most people with actual talent and something to say don't have enough money to realize their passions or they can only make but so much
there becomes less of reason to do these things, why spend so much time learning about the fictional worlds? it all is just trying to pull your heart strings or entertain you
eventaually you learn about how these things are made and they become less interesting
I too have and can add tons of things to my lists but there isn't really a reason to engage with any of it unless it has some real value like teaching me something. there are tons of things that can make me feel surface level pleasure and that makes these things feel less special.
I'm starting to really only enjoy things if I feel like I can learn about something from watching it, things like culture, history, or people
>unlimited entertainment
eventually you start to realize they are all fundamentally the same. you learn the patterns, the tropes, the characters, the plot. all the same but slightly different
most things are bad, most things are only appealling to unintelliigent people who are not looking deep into what they consume. most people with actual talent and something to say don't have enough money to realize their passions or they can only make but so much
there becomes less of reason to do these things, why spend so much time learning about the fictional worlds? it all is just trying to pull your heart strings or entertain you
eventaually you learn about how these things are made and they become less interesting
I too have and can add tons of things to my lists but there isn't really a reason to engage with any of it unless it has some real value like teaching me something. there are tons of things that can make me feel surface level pleasure and that makes these things feel less special.
I'm starting to really only enjoy things if I feel like I can learn about something from watching it, things like culture, history, or people
>>200563
It doesn't matter what you believe, experience shows us that sexuality is a basic need. Otherwise you people wouldn't struggle so much with your nofap and wouldn't relapse every couple of weeks/months. You also wouldn't need to avoid any kind of stimulating content, be it even just slightly suggesting.
If you can go nofap for actually longer period of times then it isn't because of your iron willpower or discipline but because your body is different from the average male's. But nofap doesn't even solve anything concrete. You will still get erections and will be aroused whenever you encounter an attractive female or a picture or movie or video that has attractive females in it. In fact you will just entertain even more thoughts about sexuality because you want to avoid it so much.
>>200586
>seeing thousands of succubi do bizarre things you'll never see in person in a million years is not something to be suspicious of?
No? You are watching videos of people who have sex. Maybe it's just me but I honestly don't get this autism about porn being some dangerous or satanic thing some people think it is. It's the same as watching people doing anything else. Why you so scared of it? Again, I can only think of complexes, traumas, guilt-problems when it comes to anti-porn attitude. You feel bad because you think you shouldn't watch it, ugh, why again? Mommy said not to watch it? Or the local priest? Or some other authority figure in your life?
>this cannot remotely compare to modern porn
It's what porn is. You are the voyeur, the peeping tom. It's just easier and not-so-dangerous.
>this involved people who were deviants
Deviants by whose standards? If you are a male virgin you are considered a deviant regardless of anything you do, btw.
>it seems like you are just trying to justify watching porn
What needs to be justified? Okay, I seriously had to laugh at this. Nobody can provide me with any logical or convincing argument regarding why we should avoid porn. It's just "I feel bad after it" tier complexes and hypocrite moral preaching about what should be considered normal or healthy sexual behavior. It's disgusting how many wizards fall for such lies.
Your views have everything to do with it, I assure you. If you were raised to believe porn is bad for X reason then it's natural that you feel bad after masturbating to porn.
>>200592
Your problem is that you have too high expectations. Luckily I don't. I'm just grateful for anything that can occupy my attention for a short while. If I enjoy it, that's a huge bonus too. Even if I think something is trash I watch it or read it anyway. I like to experience new genres, like to discover stuff I didn't know about. Again, what's the alternative? Meditating alone in a dark room all day?
If you want higher quality works then they are out there too. Dozens of them. It's pretty arrogant to believe that you with your 20 or 30 something years watched and read everything good out there. You didn't.
So yes, there is unlimited entertainment out there. Very diverse and special entertainment. You don't have to watch the same 10 movies all the time or the same 3 anime, you know.
>why spend so much time learning about the fictional worlds? it all is just trying to pull your heart strings or entertain you
>why feel good? why should I be entertained?
I'll let you ponder this one longer.
It doesn't matter what you believe, experience shows us that sexuality is a basic need. Otherwise you people wouldn't struggle so much with your nofap and wouldn't relapse every couple of weeks/months. You also wouldn't need to avoid any kind of stimulating content, be it even just slightly suggesting.
If you can go nofap for actually longer period of times then it isn't because of your iron willpower or discipline but because your body is different from the average male's. But nofap doesn't even solve anything concrete. You will still get erections and will be aroused whenever you encounter an attractive female or a picture or movie or video that has attractive females in it. In fact you will just entertain even more thoughts about sexuality because you want to avoid it so much.
>>200586
>seeing thousands of succubi do bizarre things you'll never see in person in a million years is not something to be suspicious of?
No? You are watching videos of people who have sex. Maybe it's just me but I honestly don't get this autism about porn being some dangerous or satanic thing some people think it is. It's the same as watching people doing anything else. Why you so scared of it? Again, I can only think of complexes, traumas, guilt-problems when it comes to anti-porn attitude. You feel bad because you think you shouldn't watch it, ugh, why again? Mommy said not to watch it? Or the local priest? Or some other authority figure in your life?
>this cannot remotely compare to modern porn
It's what porn is. You are the voyeur, the peeping tom. It's just easier and not-so-dangerous.
>this involved people who were deviants
Deviants by whose standards? If you are a male virgin you are considered a deviant regardless of anything you do, btw.
>it seems like you are just trying to justify watching porn
What needs to be justified? Okay, I seriously had to laugh at this. Nobody can provide me with any logical or convincing argument regarding why we should avoid porn. It's just "I feel bad after it" tier complexes and hypocrite moral preaching about what should be considered normal or healthy sexual behavior. It's disgusting how many wizards fall for such lies.
Your views have everything to do with it, I assure you. If you were raised to believe porn is bad for X reason then it's natural that you feel bad after masturbating to porn.
>>200592
Your problem is that you have too high expectations. Luckily I don't. I'm just grateful for anything that can occupy my attention for a short while. If I enjoy it, that's a huge bonus too. Even if I think something is trash I watch it or read it anyway. I like to experience new genres, like to discover stuff I didn't know about. Again, what's the alternative? Meditating alone in a dark room all day?
If you want higher quality works then they are out there too. Dozens of them. It's pretty arrogant to believe that you with your 20 or 30 something years watched and read everything good out there. You didn't.
So yes, there is unlimited entertainment out there. Very diverse and special entertainment. You don't have to watch the same 10 movies all the time or the same 3 anime, you know.
>why spend so much time learning about the fictional worlds? it all is just trying to pull your heart strings or entertain you
>why feel good? why should I be entertained?
I'll let you ponder this one longer.
>>200599
>>200599
it's annoying arguing with people like you. you're disingenious, you're delusional you take everything literally and at face value and you strawman at every chance. I'm not going to repeat myself 100 times because you'll just move
the goalposts, it's impossible with you because you can never be wrong in your head.
Do I have to sit here and explain to you, a supposedly 30 or so year old male that many people who watch porn get into fucked up shit and it fucks with them? Ex. BDSM, rape, gore, underage, gay, trans, etc.
and Do I have to explain to you what that does to a person and how 'peeping toms' pale in comparison to these things?
You mention that you want evidence of the negative effects of porn when it's obvious you haven't done any research
yourself. I say that being a peeping Tom is usually something deviants would do in the past and you say that virgin
men are CONSIDERED deviants.. Seriously? like how ridiculous can you get. Those are two completely different things.
Do I also have to explain how being a young male who is a virgin in the modern day is not the same as a sexual
deviant who peeps on succubi undressing or people having vanilla sex? Do I have to explain what a deviant is, and how
it is vastly different from say, a religious celibate male or a male who decided they just didn't want to engage
with sex? If so, you can count me out, I prefer to argue with people who have basic common sense and give other
people's arguments as much respect as their own.
>>200599
it's annoying arguing with people like you. you're disingenious, you're delusional you take everything literally and at face value and you strawman at every chance. I'm not going to repeat myself 100 times because you'll just move
the goalposts, it's impossible with you because you can never be wrong in your head.
Do I have to sit here and explain to you, a supposedly 30 or so year old male that many people who watch porn get into fucked up shit and it fucks with them? Ex. BDSM, rape, gore, underage, gay, trans, etc.
and Do I have to explain to you what that does to a person and how 'peeping toms' pale in comparison to these things?
You mention that you want evidence of the negative effects of porn when it's obvious you haven't done any research
yourself. I say that being a peeping Tom is usually something deviants would do in the past and you say that virgin
men are CONSIDERED deviants.. Seriously? like how ridiculous can you get. Those are two completely different things.
Do I also have to explain how being a young male who is a virgin in the modern day is not the same as a sexual
deviant who peeps on succubi undressing or people having vanilla sex? Do I have to explain what a deviant is, and how
it is vastly different from say, a religious celibate male or a male who decided they just didn't want to engage
with sex? If so, you can count me out, I prefer to argue with people who have basic common sense and give other
people's arguments as much respect as their own.
>>200606
The problem is that you don't explain why
>BDSM, rape, gore, underage, gay, trans, etc.
is "fucked up shit". It's just ironic how a guy on a website for weirdos like us tries to whiteknight for normal tastes and trends. Saying that these things are socially unacceptable doesn't fly around these parts of the internet, you'll have to come up with an actual argument.
Oh and if you had no idea, then sorry but male virgins like us are considered to be the biggest deviants in all the world.
All your arguments are just basically "well it is wrong!" But when I ask why you can't deliver anything besides referring to "common sense". If you care about common sense so much then why are you even here?
I'll ask you one more time. Why is porn wrong? Why is masturbating in your room watching porn something harmful? Many people have this idealized and retarded fantasy about sexuality, that you can only live out your sexuality via hetero sex in missionary position for the sake of producing more children, in front of a fireplace and with roses and champagne and with some cheap romantic music playing in the background. That's just a childish fantasy of some succubus. How is that better in any way when you compare it with masturbating to rape porn for example? It isn't better in any way. You are allowing the normals to tell you what is right and wrong and it is pathetic.
The problem is that you don't explain why
>BDSM, rape, gore, underage, gay, trans, etc.
is "fucked up shit". It's just ironic how a guy on a website for weirdos like us tries to whiteknight for normal tastes and trends. Saying that these things are socially unacceptable doesn't fly around these parts of the internet, you'll have to come up with an actual argument.
Oh and if you had no idea, then sorry but male virgins like us are considered to be the biggest deviants in all the world.
All your arguments are just basically "well it is wrong!" But when I ask why you can't deliver anything besides referring to "common sense". If you care about common sense so much then why are you even here?
I'll ask you one more time. Why is porn wrong? Why is masturbating in your room watching porn something harmful? Many people have this idealized and retarded fantasy about sexuality, that you can only live out your sexuality via hetero sex in missionary position for the sake of producing more children, in front of a fireplace and with roses and champagne and with some cheap romantic music playing in the background. That's just a childish fantasy of some succubus. How is that better in any way when you compare it with masturbating to rape porn for example? It isn't better in any way. You are allowing the normals to tell you what is right and wrong and it is pathetic.
>>200738
Rapists I can respect the most out of all normalshits. They don't jump around as succubi tell them to like 90% of normal males do. They take what they want and don't care about how the succ feels or what objections she has. Females only have power as long as they are protected from rape, otherwise they become what they were destined to be, the playthings of men.
Pedophilia was normal for the majority of human history and it still is considered normal in some societies nowadays. It was only when christians and feminists started to cry how inhumane it was that it began to be seen as the gravest of crimes a man can commit.
Trans people are failed males anyways so it is good for them to operate themselves into wymen. Eunuchs and hermaphrodites were always part of human history too. I feel like most conservatives and puritans nowadays have no idea at all about what history was like for the most part.
Rapists I can respect the most out of all normalshits. They don't jump around as succubi tell them to like 90% of normal males do. They take what they want and don't care about how the succ feels or what objections she has. Females only have power as long as they are protected from rape, otherwise they become what they were destined to be, the playthings of men.
Pedophilia was normal for the majority of human history and it still is considered normal in some societies nowadays. It was only when christians and feminists started to cry how inhumane it was that it began to be seen as the gravest of crimes a man can commit.
Trans people are failed males anyways so it is good for them to operate themselves into wymen. Eunuchs and hermaphrodites were always part of human history too. I feel like most conservatives and puritans nowadays have no idea at all about what history was like for the most part.
>>200951
it's not about underage people or trans people themselves or the morality of doing these things. It's about watching porn that contains these things and how it can affect someone's daily life, their brain, impulse control, mood, habits etc.
It influences people to do thngs they otherwise wouldn't and hold opinions they wouldn't had they not been exposed to it.
It makes people seek sexual satisfaction from their screen rather than seeking it out. It completely destroys people's motivations and long term goals to do things that aren't purely surface level, temporary meaningless pleasure.
it's not about underage people or trans people themselves or the morality of doing these things. It's about watching porn that contains these things and how it can affect someone's daily life, their brain, impulse control, mood, habits etc.
It influences people to do thngs they otherwise wouldn't and hold opinions they wouldn't had they not been exposed to it.
It makes people seek sexual satisfaction from their screen rather than seeking it out. It completely destroys people's motivations and long term goals to do things that aren't purely surface level, temporary meaningless pleasure.
>>200971
>It makes people seek sexual satisfaction from their screen rather than seeking it out.
Wow this is awful, isn't that right my fellow wizard? Not seeking out sexual pleasure is horrible my fellow wizard.
>It makes people seek sexual satisfaction from their screen rather than seeking it out.
Wow this is awful, isn't that right my fellow wizard? Not seeking out sexual pleasure is horrible my fellow wizard.
>>200971
>It makes people seek sexual satisfaction from their screen rather than seeking it out
the horror…
>It makes people seek sexual satisfaction from their screen rather than seeking it out
the horror…
>>200977
>>200979
it's easy to understimate the problems with doing unnatural things if that's all you're used to. People that do this tend to complain about things being boring and having 'mental ilnesses' due to their genetics not realizing the problem is their mindset. Seeking sexual satisfaction in places other than pornhub isn't about dating succubi. Our sex drive is our life drive, if you don't have desire to live you have nothing.
>>200979
it's easy to understimate the problems with doing unnatural things if that's all you're used to. People that do this tend to complain about things being boring and having 'mental ilnesses' due to their genetics not realizing the problem is their mindset. Seeking sexual satisfaction in places other than pornhub isn't about dating succubi. Our sex drive is our life drive, if you don't have desire to live you have nothing.
>>200994
>Our sex drive is our life
exactly my fellow wizard! couldn't agree more my wizardly brother
>Our sex drive is our life
exactly my fellow wizard! couldn't agree more my wizardly brother
>>201008
you keep misunderstanding me. Im saying that if you jack off to a screen all day and watch weird porn you will have no motivation left to do anything else.You can ignore genetics and biology all you want, doesn't make it any less true. >>200977 It's ironic that you try to make it seem like wizards aren't interested in sex. They are interested in it, just that porn satisfies their sexual needs. Our brain thinks that we are planting seeds in thousands of chicks everyday when there is really a drought. A true wizards cares not for sexual matters in the slightest and their power comes from not being obsessed with such hedonistic and trivial matters. They can focus on doing what they atually want to do, things like hobbies, improving their skills, learning etc. These kinds of things are pointless and boring to the porn addled mind.
you keep misunderstanding me. Im saying that if you jack off to a screen all day and watch weird porn you will have no motivation left to do anything else.You can ignore genetics and biology all you want, doesn't make it any less true. >>200977 It's ironic that you try to make it seem like wizards aren't interested in sex. They are interested in it, just that porn satisfies their sexual needs. Our brain thinks that we are planting seeds in thousands of chicks everyday when there is really a drought. A true wizards cares not for sexual matters in the slightest and their power comes from not being obsessed with such hedonistic and trivial matters. They can focus on doing what they atually want to do, things like hobbies, improving their skills, learning etc. These kinds of things are pointless and boring to the porn addled mind.
>>200963
You can surely guess that then what I think about female-to-male trans people too. If someone is a failed member of his or her sex then why force them to act like their natural sex?
>>200971
>It influences people to do thngs they otherwise wouldn't and hold opinions they wouldn't had they not been exposed to it.
Complete schizo-tier delusion.
>It makes people seek sexual satisfaction from their screen rather than seeking it out.
Posting this shit here of all places, hmph. Just proves what I was always saying about your kind. You don't belong here, your nofapper cult is some (failed)normalfag group that somehow discovered this site and now you think you are free to spread the message. Fuck off.
>>200994
>Seeking sexual satisfaction in places other than pornhub isn't about dating succubi. Our sex drive is our life drive, if you don't have desire to live you have nothing.
Stop bullshitting already and tell us that you want us to go out and have sex instead of masturbating to porn because clearly that is your agenda.
>>201012
>their power comes from not being obsessed with such hedonistic and trivial matters. They can focus on doing what they atually want to do, things like hobbies, improving their skills, learning etc. These kinds of things are pointless and boring to the porn addled mind.
Why should anyone here do what you say? If you don't want to watch porn or masturbate that's your problem, what do we care? Not everyone here is a failed normalshit who wants to make it out there in the normalfag world. Some of us don't want to learn anything ""productive"" or ""useful"", we don't want to get mad skills at something, we have our very own hobbies and we are already doing what we want, which includes watching porn and masturbation.
>porn satisfies their sexual needs
Yeah, so bad, right? We should all be frustrated crabs like you who are just anxious to impress some succubus.
You can surely guess that then what I think about female-to-male trans people too. If someone is a failed member of his or her sex then why force them to act like their natural sex?
>>200971
>It influences people to do thngs they otherwise wouldn't and hold opinions they wouldn't had they not been exposed to it.
Complete schizo-tier delusion.
>It makes people seek sexual satisfaction from their screen rather than seeking it out.
Posting this shit here of all places, hmph. Just proves what I was always saying about your kind. You don't belong here, your nofapper cult is some (failed)normalfag group that somehow discovered this site and now you think you are free to spread the message. Fuck off.
>>200994
>Seeking sexual satisfaction in places other than pornhub isn't about dating succubi. Our sex drive is our life drive, if you don't have desire to live you have nothing.
Stop bullshitting already and tell us that you want us to go out and have sex instead of masturbating to porn because clearly that is your agenda.
>>201012
>their power comes from not being obsessed with such hedonistic and trivial matters. They can focus on doing what they atually want to do, things like hobbies, improving their skills, learning etc. These kinds of things are pointless and boring to the porn addled mind.
Why should anyone here do what you say? If you don't want to watch porn or masturbate that's your problem, what do we care? Not everyone here is a failed normalshit who wants to make it out there in the normalfag world. Some of us don't want to learn anything ""productive"" or ""useful"", we don't want to get mad skills at something, we have our very own hobbies and we are already doing what we want, which includes watching porn and masturbation.
>porn satisfies their sexual needs
Yeah, so bad, right? We should all be frustrated crabs like you who are just anxious to impress some succubus.
>>201071
>strawmanning again
This is why I didn't bother arguing with you faggots.
My point is that doing things that overstimulate is the cause of your anhedonia.
I'm not trying to sell you anything, retard. The conversation took this route because you and or some other idiot can't understand that doing intense activities can cause you to feel 'bored', down, 'depressed', or 'anhedonic' afterwards. Not just immediately, it can last for a long time.
Just think about what we have access to now, the ease of overwhelming pleasure and the increasing rates of suicide and 'depression'. Yes, it has other reasons than that of course, but ironically it is normal due to people lacking self control and people giving in to their animalistic nature and not being able being satisfied with a normal life.
>strawmanning again
This is why I didn't bother arguing with you faggots.
My point is that doing things that overstimulate is the cause of your anhedonia.
I'm not trying to sell you anything, retard. The conversation took this route because you and or some other idiot can't understand that doing intense activities can cause you to feel 'bored', down, 'depressed', or 'anhedonic' afterwards. Not just immediately, it can last for a long time.
Just think about what we have access to now, the ease of overwhelming pleasure and the increasing rates of suicide and 'depression'. Yes, it has other reasons than that of course, but ironically it is normal due to people lacking self control and people giving in to their animalistic nature and not being able being satisfied with a normal life.
>>201071
If your only experience with porn is shitty vanilla porn on the front page of Pornhub, you really have no business talking about it as if you are some expert on it.
I've done plenty of research and testing these things myself.
Don't try to pretend you aren't obsessed with succubi, that's why you watch porn, you want connection or sex from them. Why else would you watch it?
You think someone not liking porn due to it's effects are apart of some nonexistent no-fap movement. You are the epitome of someone who is branwashed by porn and can't live without it, it's no different than a drug for you. That is why you are unhappy, insecure and need to constantly posion the well to maintain your sanity.
If your only experience with porn is shitty vanilla porn on the front page of Pornhub, you really have no business talking about it as if you are some expert on it.
I've done plenty of research and testing these things myself.
Don't try to pretend you aren't obsessed with succubi, that's why you watch porn, you want connection or sex from them. Why else would you watch it?
You think someone not liking porn due to it's effects are apart of some nonexistent no-fap movement. You are the epitome of someone who is branwashed by porn and can't live without it, it's no different than a drug for you. That is why you are unhappy, insecure and need to constantly posion the well to maintain your sanity.
>>200678
I love how you manipulated my saying "common sense" when referring to your comparison of peeping toms and watching porn into me trying to moralfag.
>Some of us don't want to learn anything ""productive"" or ""useful"
and here you are, trying to accuse me of trying to tell you to acquire work skills, ignoring the fact that I said hobbies along with skills. If you had common sense you'd realize I'm not talking about learning how to be a wageslave, but skills that align with hobbies, or things that are useful like knowing how to use a computer, how to make various things, things related to art, etc.
>which includes watching porn and masturbation.
Im not an authority on hobbies or anything but porn, if it's a hobby is a terrible one. Masturbation just plainly isn't a hobby, it's something your body wants you to do occasionally and it's not complex enough. Porn is nothing like film or animation, sure there is soom porn that tries to emulate it, but at the end of the day, especially American porn, is just smashing genitalia together, there is no depth to it, no complexity. You don't know the people behind the cameras or the directors or the history of it, you don't care about the actors and actresses the same way you do with film. You aren't creating it yourself, you don't have a genuine interest in it. Seeing sex elicits a natural sexual response in you as it thinks you are preparing to have sex and you mimic having sex with a female but with yourself. You don't enjoy actually it, your body does and when it feels like you've had enough, that's it, you won't 'enjoy' it anymore because the only reason you did it was because your body made you. If you can't even get this, I doubt you have any real hobbies. Is eating candy a hobby to you as well?
I love how you manipulated my saying "common sense" when referring to your comparison of peeping toms and watching porn into me trying to moralfag.
>Some of us don't want to learn anything ""productive"" or ""useful"
and here you are, trying to accuse me of trying to tell you to acquire work skills, ignoring the fact that I said hobbies along with skills. If you had common sense you'd realize I'm not talking about learning how to be a wageslave, but skills that align with hobbies, or things that are useful like knowing how to use a computer, how to make various things, things related to art, etc.
>which includes watching porn and masturbation.
Im not an authority on hobbies or anything but porn, if it's a hobby is a terrible one. Masturbation just plainly isn't a hobby, it's something your body wants you to do occasionally and it's not complex enough. Porn is nothing like film or animation, sure there is soom porn that tries to emulate it, but at the end of the day, especially American porn, is just smashing genitalia together, there is no depth to it, no complexity. You don't know the people behind the cameras or the directors or the history of it, you don't care about the actors and actresses the same way you do with film. You aren't creating it yourself, you don't have a genuine interest in it. Seeing sex elicits a natural sexual response in you as it thinks you are preparing to have sex and you mimic having sex with a female but with yourself. You don't enjoy actually it, your body does and when it feels like you've had enough, that's it, you won't 'enjoy' it anymore because the only reason you did it was because your body made you. If you can't even get this, I doubt you have any real hobbies. Is eating candy a hobby to you as well?
anyone that resorts to namecalling in response to what you have to say can safely be ignored. they fail at the most basic aspects of civil discussion and are just desperate for attention
>>201474
oh no a lonely person is desperate for attention let's gang up on him like a bunch of normalfags
oh no a lonely person is desperate for attention let's gang up on him like a bunch of normalfags
I used to think that I'm schizoid and even got the official diagnosis once but now I know that I just lack social skills because I isolated myself since I never acquired confidence and self-esteem to be around people which always lead to embarrassing situations when I was forced to do so.
"Schizoid" is bullshit just like any other psychological disorder, you're really just socially retarded and/or lack confidence and self-awareness, it's just like autism which also doesn't exist and just boils down to these basic things.
"Schizoid" is bullshit just like any other psychological disorder, you're really just socially retarded and/or lack confidence and self-awareness, it's just like autism which also doesn't exist and just boils down to these basic things.
>>201479
not being social in a highly socialized species is a disease.
unfortunately this disease can't be easily treated since you can't have a state mandated wife nor can you force other people to enjoy your company.
we are also a highly visual species, often lack of confidence stems from others sending you "get away from me" signals due to what's perceived as genetical inferior traits such as short height, balding, bad facial ratios, introversion, etc.
rarely do good looking people experience lack of confidence and as a consequence abysmal social skills.
i do think that extraversion is a genetical trait and not an acquired one. so, it's also selected for by society.
if one doesn't have highly sought after hereditary traits (such as extraversion or good looks), one is likely to spend a sizeable amount of time in isolation (more often unwillingly than willingly) leading to a dysfunctionnal state (aka schizoid, assburger, autism, etc).
not being social in a highly socialized species is a disease.
unfortunately this disease can't be easily treated since you can't have a state mandated wife nor can you force other people to enjoy your company.
we are also a highly visual species, often lack of confidence stems from others sending you "get away from me" signals due to what's perceived as genetical inferior traits such as short height, balding, bad facial ratios, introversion, etc.
rarely do good looking people experience lack of confidence and as a consequence abysmal social skills.
i do think that extraversion is a genetical trait and not an acquired one. so, it's also selected for by society.
if one doesn't have highly sought after hereditary traits (such as extraversion or good looks), one is likely to spend a sizeable amount of time in isolation (more often unwillingly than willingly) leading to a dysfunctionnal state (aka schizoid, assburger, autism, etc).
>>201489
>others sending you "get away from me" signals
describes my entire childhood kek. now i don't get that anymore since i actively avoid people as much as possible
>others sending you "get away from me" signals
describes my entire childhood kek. now i don't get that anymore since i actively avoid people as much as possible
>>201489
I dont think this is true, I know a whole lot of dudes who are balding, short or even "funny" looking and they have girlfriends and friends because they are confident. You're implying that only guys with top tier looks get to have a normal social and love life and I think that's far from reality. Of course if you want a supermodel girlfriend and very popular friends then you might have to be rich or very good looking but that's not required to be a confident human being. Even autists can have these things if they are just confident, I know a guy who was a complete aspie in his behaviour but he also didn't care about anything and was very assertive and that way he even got a girlfriend. Also introverted doesn't mean youre insecure or weird and being extroverted is not required to have a normal life, you just won't belong to the party goer types.
The "get away from me" signals usually come from social stuff such as you acting insecure, awkard or weird which automatically displays a sign of weakness and weirdness that weirds people out.
tl;dr
Looks matter in a way since they can give you an advantage in certain situations but not as much as confidence and if you have the latter then someone bullying you for your height won't even bother you and you go on with your life just like anyone else and that's the point I'm trying to make here. People without confidence take everything to heart and become even more insecure in the process while people with confidence don't care and just go on without deluding themselves further.
I dont think this is true, I know a whole lot of dudes who are balding, short or even "funny" looking and they have girlfriends and friends because they are confident. You're implying that only guys with top tier looks get to have a normal social and love life and I think that's far from reality. Of course if you want a supermodel girlfriend and very popular friends then you might have to be rich or very good looking but that's not required to be a confident human being. Even autists can have these things if they are just confident, I know a guy who was a complete aspie in his behaviour but he also didn't care about anything and was very assertive and that way he even got a girlfriend. Also introverted doesn't mean youre insecure or weird and being extroverted is not required to have a normal life, you just won't belong to the party goer types.
The "get away from me" signals usually come from social stuff such as you acting insecure, awkard or weird which automatically displays a sign of weakness and weirdness that weirds people out.
tl;dr
Looks matter in a way since they can give you an advantage in certain situations but not as much as confidence and if you have the latter then someone bullying you for your height won't even bother you and you go on with your life just like anyone else and that's the point I'm trying to make here. People without confidence take everything to heart and become even more insecure in the process while people with confidence don't care and just go on without deluding themselves further.
>>201512
Everything you said is lies, confidence do not even matters %10. Only thing do matters is looks ,you’re a retarded moron. Dating app statistics disproves you and ugly people are treated terribly as young as baby. There are even research on ugly babies and children being more abused and bullied. Looks are EVERYTHING you moron.
Everything you said is lies, confidence do not even matters %10. Only thing do matters is looks ,you’re a retarded moron. Dating app statistics disproves you and ugly people are treated terribly as young as baby. There are even research on ugly babies and children being more abused and bullied. Looks are EVERYTHING you moron.
>>201528
If you have no confidence then looks won't do shit, that's the truth but if you have confidence then it doesn't matter if you're short or something else because even if some dumb slut makes fun of you youre still able to get thorugh life without being insecure.
If you're not confident people will avoid you even if you have good looks. They will approach you in interest until they notice that you're a weirdo and then start avoiding you because you're weird, boring, lame, awkward, not able to give attention/validation and all the other stuff that human beings require to have, there are many good looking guys who are fucked just because they lack these things.
Also dating apps contain the most shallow and vile whores on the planet, they are the lowest common denominator when it comes to succubi. They all have massive mental issues and crave validation which mean more to them if they get it from a good looking guy. Dating Apps are full of tattooed whores who had a shitload of dicks inside them and they have the shittiest personalities, they also always look way older than they actually are because they are completely fucked. Please go outside and look at actual couples, most of them don't even look good, don't compare everthing with dating apps and other dumb shit like that.
If you have no confidence then looks won't do shit, that's the truth but if you have confidence then it doesn't matter if you're short or something else because even if some dumb slut makes fun of you youre still able to get thorugh life without being insecure.
If you're not confident people will avoid you even if you have good looks. They will approach you in interest until they notice that you're a weirdo and then start avoiding you because you're weird, boring, lame, awkward, not able to give attention/validation and all the other stuff that human beings require to have, there are many good looking guys who are fucked just because they lack these things.
Also dating apps contain the most shallow and vile whores on the planet, they are the lowest common denominator when it comes to succubi. They all have massive mental issues and crave validation which mean more to them if they get it from a good looking guy. Dating Apps are full of tattooed whores who had a shitload of dicks inside them and they have the shittiest personalities, they also always look way older than they actually are because they are completely fucked. Please go outside and look at actual couples, most of them don't even look good, don't compare everthing with dating apps and other dumb shit like that.
>>201529
You need to be tortured in most extreme way for telling blatant lies like saying confidence is everything and looks do not matter. I WILL TORTURE YOU TO DEATH YOU PIECE OF SHIT. LOOKS ARE EVERYTHING. You lying retarded moron.
You need to be tortured in most extreme way for telling blatant lies like saying confidence is everything and looks do not matter. I WILL TORTURE YOU TO DEATH YOU PIECE OF SHIT. LOOKS ARE EVERYTHING. You lying retarded moron.
>>193156
>>186305
There is no such thing as a human being who has nothing wrong with his brain. An average human has a thousand defective genes. 80% of them affect brain function.
Temperament, personality traits and mental health are heavily affected by genes. Usually to the tune of 80% variance being due to genetics. Upbringing is known to have absolutely no effect on adult personalities. Parenting doesn't matter.
>>188396
>>191031
>>193120
Sarcosine is likely to help with anhedonia and avolition.
>>192625
Easy, genes = you.
>>190983
The wiki page on schizoid pd quotes some psychoanalyst claiming "hidden grandiosity" as one of the symptoms.
>>195664
When I was something like 11 I noticed I'm living my life through fantasies, be it media or my own daydreams. I decided to change it, force myself to pay attention to the meatspace and nothing else. It was extremely boring. The world seemed dull beyond compare and I was depressed. I also concluded that conversations were basically shared daydreaming. The opinions, feelings being expressed felt arbitrary, accidental, and to me that meant made up. The social did not play on any strings in my soul. Or maybe I did not have the instict required to get into a social interaction that was genuinely rewarding. Either way I do not have something that sane people do, and the real world felt dead.
Then my mom made me watch a movie with her, my boredom was alleviated and I decided that the fantasy world is better after all.
>>195706
> I've read that it can come from negative reinforcement
Most of the writing on schizoidism is by psychoanalysts, who are professional bullshitters. It's caused by genetics, and to a much lesser extent noisy environmental influences like infections hampering development, cosmic rays zapping neurons in a young brain etc. That is the case for psychological differences between people in general.
>>186305
There is no such thing as a human being who has nothing wrong with his brain. An average human has a thousand defective genes. 80% of them affect brain function.
Temperament, personality traits and mental health are heavily affected by genes. Usually to the tune of 80% variance being due to genetics. Upbringing is known to have absolutely no effect on adult personalities. Parenting doesn't matter.
>>188396
>>191031
>>193120
Sarcosine is likely to help with anhedonia and avolition.
>>192625
Easy, genes = you.
>>190983
The wiki page on schizoid pd quotes some psychoanalyst claiming "hidden grandiosity" as one of the symptoms.
>>195664
When I was something like 11 I noticed I'm living my life through fantasies, be it media or my own daydreams. I decided to change it, force myself to pay attention to the meatspace and nothing else. It was extremely boring. The world seemed dull beyond compare and I was depressed. I also concluded that conversations were basically shared daydreaming. The opinions, feelings being expressed felt arbitrary, accidental, and to me that meant made up. The social did not play on any strings in my soul. Or maybe I did not have the instict required to get into a social interaction that was genuinely rewarding. Either way I do not have something that sane people do, and the real world felt dead.
Then my mom made me watch a movie with her, my boredom was alleviated and I decided that the fantasy world is better after all.
>>195706
> I've read that it can come from negative reinforcement
Most of the writing on schizoidism is by psychoanalysts, who are professional bullshitters. It's caused by genetics, and to a much lesser extent noisy environmental influences like infections hampering development, cosmic rays zapping neurons in a young brain etc. That is the case for psychological differences between people in general.
This thread is full of people talking about relationshits as if they were in a social media or reddit… What the fuck is this shit?? Are the mods aware of this?
the great outdoors crab is the name. posting mgtow, redpill, semi homo-erotic bait is his game
When I was reading on the internet the typical traits of schizoids and aspergers, I just realized that my disorder is just mix of worst traits of aspergers and schizoids.
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